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April 17, 2010

Open Thread: Blue-Gold FanFest

Filed under: Football,Practice — Chas @ 10:17 am

Coffee, bourbon, beer and I’m grilling some skirt steak along with onions and peppers somewhere around Heinz Field. It’s our own trial run for the coming season of football and tailgating.

Well, more like a taste of what will be. Family in tow so the kids can have some fun and get positive reinforcement about Pitt football. Maybe dim those memories of daddy downstairs yelling at the TV, typing into the laptop and drinking. Yeah. When I put it that way it will be amazing if either of my kids will come to a game with me this year.

Tweets most of the day.

If you are watching at home on the NFL Network at 2pm tell us what you see. I have it on DVR to watch for a different perspective later. If you went, add your thoughts later.





Hey, never watched a spring game before, how does it work? Like, it the starting offense vs the starting defense?

Comment by Salgado 04.17.10 @ 10:27 am

The second team O line is just getting murdered by the second team D line so far. It’s not even close.

Comment by Ian 04.17.10 @ 2:37 pm

a few observations: 1) based soley on today’s scrimmage, it is easy to see why Tino is No. 1

2) Cross, Street, and Saddler should be very able back-up WRs, and Cruz looks to be a decent receiver at WR

3) while the offense may have struggled, it still looked much better than it in last year’s spring game … and you may remember by fall, the offense probably was more productive than the defense

4) while Turnley didn’t play, the back-up OL looks to be a major work-in-progress

4) I got a big kick at Wanny admitting his offense was a dinosauer

5) great to see all the former players return

6) a note about Chris Burns who reportedly had a really good sprong and showed a flash or two today. You may remember that he was the heir apparent to Shady but ended up 3rd team bhind 2 natyral freshmen. But instead of giving up and transferring to IUP (or his hometown Westminster), he came back with some resolve. Since the RB position is vulnerable to injury and Dion may well be gone after this year, I’m glad Burns is still a Panther.

Comment by wbb 04.17.10 @ 8:16 pm

Don’t think Dion can leave after this year wbb. He doesn’t have the post-grad year that shady and fitz had that makes him eligible.

no questions that sunseri is the starting qb. he clearly deserves it. Bostick looked horrendous today. He looks like a small version of an offensive lineman back there. He doesn’t have the arm to make the deep out and throws to the sidelines and also threw a couple of picks.

was impressed with cross. after seeing him perform today I expect him to be a contributor this season. he and antwuan reed were awarded most improved players of the spring.

Comment by TJ 04.17.10 @ 10:36 pm

…also just read Zeise post in the PG saying that the defense is really good or the offense is really bad.

Don’t really agree with Zeise at all. While I do think the defense played well I wasn’t really disappointed with the offense. I actually came away feeling comfortable with Sunseri. Perhaps more importantly, Baldwin did not play much at all. When he is in the game he completely changes things with how he can stretch the defense and make plays. With him and Lewis in the game and then packages that include cross, saddler and graham this offense will have plenty of playmakers and put a lot of pressure on opposing defenses.

Comment by TJ 04.17.10 @ 10:42 pm

Couldn’t find a link to watch the game =/
I will have to hope that someone posts it in Ten Yard Torrent

Comment by Salgado 04.17.10 @ 11:06 pm

TJ, I agree and disabree with you.

I also agree that the offense wasn’t that bad yesterday, and certainly the OL wasn’t dominated nearly as much as last spring. Plus, the two big playmakers, Lewis and Baldwin, saw limited time. There is certainly work to do, especially on the OL, but I feel much better about the offense now than a year ago.

I disagree that Lewis must stay another year … I have been reading aguments both ways, but I heard yesterday on TV (it may have even have been Pompeani on the telecast) that not only is Lewis eligible after this year, he seems to be leaning that way.

Comment by wbb 04.18.10 @ 7:21 am

Got our power restored after 29 hours. Will the NFL network replay the scrimmage? Zeise’s summary was weak. Sounds like the O-line needs work. Not a major surprise. Second team O-line very bad. Could be a worry in 2011. The Trib mentions Mason’s play. Also Nate Nix and Shayne Hale showed up. Good to hear. Another Trib article touted the linebackers, may ease Reed’s fears.

On the radio pre-game they mentioned that a lot of star high school players were visiting on their own dimes. Sounded very encouraging.

Comment by gc 04.18.10 @ 9:08 am

Really disappointed in Bostick. I thought he would be the clear favorite to win the starting job but still has little poise or arm strength.
Would someone please actually come up with Tino’s height? He looks all of 5’9″ to me.

Comment by Dan 72 04.18.10 @ 9:26 am

Dan

He is a legit 6’0″ I stood next to him a few years back during his senior year in high school (I’m a CCHS 77 grad) and I also think Reed has been close to him and can verify his height.

Comment by The Oakland Jew 04.18.10 @ 9:40 am

Two things – I have stood next to Sunseri specifically to see what people were talking about last season… unless he’s grown some inches from last August to today there is no way he’s 6’2″ obviously, and I think he’s reaching for 6’0″… I say 5’11” most probably. If you were at the Spring Game yesterday you could tell that. BTW – be prepared to see some of his passes getting knocked down – when there is a push up the middle – and there will be with the center of our OL – he has a hard time of it as we saw him get sacked and a pass batted down yesterday.

He did move well on rollouts and scrambles though and made some real nice out pattern completions.

Lewis is eligible to leave after this season – his extra year was a repeated JR year in HS – and I’ve heard the same as wbb – that Lewis and the PITT staff are preparing for him to blot after this season.

All in all it was a disappointing day for the offense yesterday – we are one injury on the OL short of a disaster IMO. I haven’t been convinced that we’ll get the same production out of the QB position as we had last season and yesterday did nothing to alleviate those fears. All this talk about “keeping it vanilla – and they led off with a WR pass by Cross, so it wasn’t that vanilla – they offensive line got their asses handed to them and the LBs ate up the RBs.

It was cold as hell there also.

Comment by Reed 04.18.10 @ 9:55 am

How can Dion leave? I thought the rule was must be 3 years removed from high school.

Comment by Brady 04.18.10 @ 10:36 am

I believe that Lewis went to prep school, and as Reed alluded to, spent an extra year, graduating a year after his normal high scholl class did. Again, I too was thinking that Lewis would not be eligible until I heard on TV that he was actually looking to bolt for the NFL after this year … again, it may well have been Pompeani making the observation with Wanny’s collaboation.

Also, I want to again remind everyone just how dominant the defense was in last year’s spring game as well as apparently the first two weeks or so in last August pre-season camp. While this is no guarantee that the offense will be as productive this coming year as last season, I think it way too early to predict doom and gloom.

Comment by wbb 04.18.10 @ 11:20 am

Thanks wbb, I wasn’t aware that he had an extra year of high school/prep school.

Same as Shady, we’d love to have him stay but if he goes and does well it ends up being good for the program. Not to mention Ray Graham is pretty damn good himself…

Comment by TJ 04.18.10 @ 12:05 pm

Chris Burns looks like a player too.
And the big name RB from New Jersey came to watch the game, looks like he’s VERY interressed.

Comment by Salgado 04.18.10 @ 12:42 pm

Didn’t Dion start school in January and played last spring? Does he get credit for a year of prep? Or, maybe the spring semester counts. Anyway, when they want to go, it is probably best that they do.

Comment by gc 04.18.10 @ 1:20 pm

Here’s the rule from the current NFL CBA:
“No player shall be permitted to apply for special eligibility for selection in the Draft, or otherwise be eligible for the Draft, until three NFL regular seasons have begun and ended following either his graduation from high school or graduation of the class with which he entered high school, whichever is earlier.”

It’s the latter half of the rule that supposedly makes Lewis eligible next year. His HS Freshman class at Albany Academy graduated a semester before he did, because he played at Albany Academy as a Junior and then at Blair Academy again as a Junior and a Senior. He had enough HS credits to enter Pitt early, before his Blair Academy Senior class officially graduated, which really confused things in fans’ minds. It seems like a fine line technicality, but apparently everyone thinks it will hold up.

Comment by TampaT 04.18.10 @ 1:23 pm

I don’t think that Sunseri and Bostick are as far apart as a QB as yesterdays practice showed…The second team OL just got blown up on virtually every play. Nothing on the second team offense worked, not the passing game and not the running game. I think that where Sunseri separates himself from Bostick is an athlete. He is just a better football player. I believe that the coaches are recognizing that a mobile QB makes your offense far more potent. How many times over the last few years have defenses just pinned their ears back and bull rushed our QB on obvious passing downs? A lot by my recollection. If they try that this year, they will be bull rushing into an empty backfield because Sunseri will be long gone, either on a roll-out or up the field. Think a slower Pat White (and not by much), but with better passing skills at this point in his career, or Matt Grothe, or Zach Collaros. The fact that Sunseri has worked exclusively with the first team from day one of spring practice tells me that our “dinosaur” of an offense is about to get the much needed retrofit of the mobile QB. I’d would bet that Sunseri will have a least one run of 50+ yards this year and that we will see him take off and run far more than any QB I can remember at Pitt. It will not be the first choice for our QB, but it will now be a choice (to take off and run). I like it.

Comment by HbgFrank 04.18.10 @ 1:27 pm

Sunseri is nowhere near as athletic as White, Grothe or Collaros. He is a marked improvement over Stull or Bostick, but isn’t even as mobile as Palko was. I do agree that having some threat for him to run with dramatically impact the offense in a positive way.

I do realize that the 2nd team OL was getting blown off the ball all day long and that it certainly didn’t help Bostick. That being said, on the few plays he does get time to throw you can see the weakness in his arm and an inability to zip the ball to the sidelines on deep outs/flag patterns. In my opinion, that is what really separates Sunseri from Bostick.

Comment by TJ 04.18.10 @ 3:06 pm

TJ I was basing my comments on the fact that I thought I heard the announcers say yesterday that Sunseri ran a 4.5 40 this spring. Pat White was clocked at 4.3 when he was at WVU. I think the comparison to Collaros and Grothe is valid. We just have not seen Sunseri play in a meaningful real game yet. The main point I was trying to make was not so much to compare Sunseri to those players as it was to say that our QB now can and will take off running when the defense does not account for him. So many times our defense was burned because the scheme used does not account for the QB. A lot of teams do this, but they will not be able to do it to us with Sunseri under center.

Comment by HbgFrank 04.18.10 @ 5:03 pm

Maybe he does run a 4.5. I just can’t put him in a league with any of those guys because I don’t think he has the feet that they do. Regardless, you are correct, it will be an advantage to have a guy back there who can take off and run a little bit if we need him to.

Comment by TJ 04.18.10 @ 5:52 pm

So, spring practice is history. Seems as if what the coaches wanted to see happen—actually happened. They could focus on a few individuals and make a SPRING evaluation. Pitt’s linebacking corps looks impressive. Our interior defensive line appears formidable. There are several wide-outs that performed admirable. Of course, the Panthers have Baldwin, Shanahan, Saddler and Todd Thomas in the wings. Ezell was a pleasant surprise on defense as well as Tristan Roberts, and Antuan Reed. There are several linemen coming in that could provide some playing time. Overall, it is obvious that Pitt has several glaring weaknesses,but in my opinion, Wannstedt’s minions are much better than at this time last year. And the coaching staff is a large PLUS. George from Columbus,where they pay their college coaches salaries which compare with Wall Street.

Comment by rev. george mehaffey 04.18.10 @ 6:47 pm

There is no way in the world Sunseri runs a 4.5. He’s quicker than we have seen at our QB position since Palko though, but let’s not go crazy here. If someone reported he runs a 4.5 I’ll put that “fact” in the same category as him being officially 6’2″ tall – it seems like PITT’s SID is either pumping the facts here or turning a blind eye to the truth.

Lewis’ situation is as wbb and TampaT say – his extra year as a junior in HS when Blair Academy required him to repeat it as a condition of acceptance is the key here. Leaving in January and coming to PITT a few months before the other players has no bearing on anything – his clock started when he entered HS. Regardless of whether he came in January or would have gotten here in August doesn’t impact how many seasons he’ll have after the time graduation of the class with which he entered high school with.

Not only did the radio guy mention this – we’ve had a star recruit talk about it publicly after he has been told by the PITT staff that it will probably happen (Lewis leaving after this 2010 season).

Comment by Reed 04.19.10 @ 4:40 am

The skirt steak was delicious, for the record. And according to Chas, the peeprcorn marinade was cheap, too!

Comment by Shawn 04.19.10 @ 1:42 pm

One thing to keep in mind about players coming out for the NFL is there might be an NFL lockout in 2011. As well as a possible NBA style slotted rookie pay scale which could affect whether players will leave early.

Comment by Twink 04.19.10 @ 2:02 pm

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