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October 6, 2008

BlogPoll Week 6, Draft

Filed under: Bloggers,Football,Polls — Chas @ 2:07 pm

There have been some changes to the BlogPoll (as the logo attached may suggest). Now I need to have a draft on Monday and a final ballot by Wednesday. The idea being that bloggers can be influenced by rational arguments for and against teams. Note that, “you are a flippin’ moron, how can you…” is not an argument that I will find persuasive.

I couldn’t bring myself to pull the trigger on putting Pitt in the ballot. I thought about it, and they are close. Still the body of work so far has not done it. The loss to BGSU is still huge — especially given that they are 1-3 since then. Add in Iowa going from 3-0 to 3-3 really fast.

Rank Team Delta
1 Oklahoma
2 LSU
3 Missouri 1
4 Alabama 1
5 Texas
6 Penn State 1
7 Georgia 1
8 Southern Cal 2
9 Texas Tech 3
10 Brigham Young 1
11 Florida 2
12 Ohio State 2
13 Vanderbilt 5
14 Kansas 1
15 Utah 1
16 Virginia Tech 3
17 South Florida 11
18 Auburn 7
19 Boise State 1
20 Ball State 1
21 North Carolina 5
22 Northwestern 2
23 Wake Forest
24 Michigan State 2
25 Georgia Tech 1
Dropped Out: Connecticut (#17), Fresno State (#25).

Standing by/In the discussion: Pitt, Notre Dame, Oklahoma St., Florida St.,

UNC has really impressed me. Especially when you realize they have kept rolling without their starting QB.

Oklahoma St. may be unbeaten, but good god, when your best win is probably over Houston well I’m not buying.

Yes, I know there are plenty of teams that are rated too high. The problem as always is finding teams that legitimately deserve to be ranked ahead of them.

UPDATE: You can see the full draft poll (Pitt is unranked) and links to all voters, here.





i dont see how you can still bring up the BG game as to why pitt should not be in the top 25. pitt has played better then Auburn and Mich. State. MSU needed luck as well to get by Iowa. PITT deserves to be ranked this week and hopefully the rest of the season. Does USC loosing to Oregon State mean they should not be ranked either?

Comment by mike 10.06.08 @ 2:50 pm

You don’t even rank Pitt in your top 25. You really are more negative than I thought possible. Ball State? You rank them and their most impressive win is over Navy? WTF are you thinking. Wake Forest, a one loss team. Their most impressive win, FSU (a team with no quaterback and hasn’t been very good for the past few years). You continue to amaze me day in day out. We shouldn’t be convincing a Pitt fan that his team deserves to be ranked when they are 4-1 with a win over the number 10 team in the country at the time. I’m speechless.

Comment by UR INSANE 10.06.08 @ 3:36 pm

Mike,

Your point on Auburn is well-taken. I don’t have a good reason to keep them ranked. Consider them gone by the final ballot.

As for the rest, I’m not following. Arguing for Pitt by saying MSU “needed luck” to beat Iowa after Pitt had to pull out a win over Iowa late is hardly persuasive.

The BGSU loss is relevant because it isn’t just week-to-week when you get to 5 games or so. It becomes about the overall resume. BGSU has hardly gone on a tear to make it look like that was a “good” loss (2-3 overall record).

Not all 1-loss teams are created equal. It matters also how a team looked and performed in the other games.

It’s not like, prior to beating USF, Pitt was inching closer to the rankings or had performed against opponents in a way that suggested top-25.

Beat Navy as well and then I won’t have a problem with Pitt in the top-25.

Comment by Chas 10.06.08 @ 3:40 pm

You also still ranked South Florida 17th. Who also is a one loss team. And who did that loss come against. Oh yeah, PITT AND IT WAS A HOME GAME FOR THEM. How does that merrit a 17 ranking for one team and a non-ranking for the team ur supposed to support? UNC you moved in at 21. There most impressive win is over UCONN at home. And although it was a trashing it was at home and I don’t think UCONN is quite the level of SFU. I completely disagree with Auburn being ranked but I’m guessing people will not like to here that. They have 2 losses and their offense is aboslutely putrid. GO PITT! It’s a shame the team has to fight for the support of what are supposed to be their most loyal followers.

Comment by Fitz4heisman 10.06.08 @ 3:44 pm

Pitt DEFINITELY deserves to be in. In my opinion, both Missou and Alabama should be ahead of LSU also.

Comment by Dan35 10.06.08 @ 3:45 pm

Penn State #6? who’d they play, temple? perdue? we could be 6th with their schedule

Comment by Kevin 10.06.08 @ 4:15 pm

I think Pitt is probably deserving of the 24 or 25 slot right now, but they certainly need to keep winning. To use their motto “Prove it”.

I would almost like to see Pitt out of the rankings just because we seem to fall apart as soon as we get some respect. Maybe a chip on their shoulder for another week or two would help fuel the fire.

I think V Tech is not a number 16 team:

8/30 @ East Carolina L 27-22
9/06 Furman W 24-7
9/13 Georgia Tech W 20-17
9/20 @ North Carolina W 20-17
9/27 @ Nebraska 4-1 W 35-30
10/04 Western Kentucky W 27-13

Penn State should be right outside the top ten until they play a top level team.

BYU more like a 15 team, no way top ten.

Sort of hard to justify Pitt out of the Top 25 with NW in at 22??

8/30 Syracuse W 30-10
9/06 @ Duke W 24-20
9/13 Southern Illinois W 33-7
9/20 Ohio W 16-8
9/27 @ Iowa W 22-17

Comment by Rex 10.06.08 @ 4:51 pm

Va Tech deserves a late teens early 20s ranking. GT, UNC and Nebraska are all quality wins, and ECU was a buzzsaw earlier this year until the wheels fell off.

Personally I think Pitt deserves #24 or #25, but I like seeing them unranked just b/c as Rex pointed out, once we get ranked we fall apart.

Comment by matt in orlando 10.06.08 @ 7:04 pm

I have to go with Chas on this one…Pitt should not be in the top 25 (yet). We did not just lose to BGSU at home, they controlled that game, finishing with a 27-3 run. BGSU currently sits at the bottom of their MAC division. We had to come from behind to beat Buffalo and Syracuse. A top 25 team wins both of those games with ease. The SFla game was a great win, but which is the real Pitt team…the one that played BGSU/Buff/Cuse or the one that played Iowa/SFla? We need to beat Navy and Rutgers to see the Top 25 and then right at 24 or 25 because we should beat both of those teams. Take down ND and Lville and then we have a Top 15 to 20 team. How bad was our play early on, so bad that I think we could run the table (and yes, I think that could happen) and we would not crack the Top 10.

Comment by HbgFrank 10.06.08 @ 7:13 pm

Bowling Green did not contol the game. We outgained them handily, and their TD drives were the results of gadget formations (muddle huddle & totem pole). We were clearly the better team and outplayed them for much of the game. I actually thought Buffalo was a better football team.

Comment by bwh05 10.06.08 @ 8:15 pm

There are lies, damn lies, and statistics (Mark Twain, I think). If you were at the BGSU game, which I was, you would know that BG controlled that game from mid way through the second quarter to the end.

Comment by HbgFrank 10.07.08 @ 12:04 am

Rehashing – I think BG controlled the game as well, but I also think the Pitt fumbles lost the game. That’s one where the “conservative” game plan could not overcome the mistakes.

And I don’t want Pitt to be ranked – like I tell my softball kids, even when they’re winning we don’t tell them, because it gets in their heads.

I agree with the top 10 but would flip USC and Texas Tech.

Comment by Kevin 10.07.08 @ 7:45 am

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