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August 10, 2007

Palko Will Get His Chance

Filed under: Alumni,Football,Good,NFL,The 'Burgh — Dennis @ 1:01 pm

Glad I got that TE’s post off when I did, because the house lost power for almost 24 hours. Plenty of townships are in a state of emergency because of the rain/wind/other natural disasters. I was going to go over to McKnight Road until I saw on KDKA that it was covered in a foot or two of water — ugh. Hopefully all of you readers out there in the Pittsburgh area are doing well after an ugly day.

Another place that knows a little too much about rain and wind damage is the City of New Orleans, Tyler Palko’s new home. Palko, who turned 24 yesterday, is going to have an opportunity to take some big steps towards the Saints’ third-string QB job. Once Drew Brees plays the first quarter, Palko will be next in line to play against the Buffalo Bills’ defense tonight.

He’s going to get a lot more playing time than he did against the Steelers on Sunday — it’s expected that he’ll play deep into the second half.

“I just want to know what I have with a player, and the only way I can do that is play him,” Payton said. “I’m anxious to see his development, his progressions, his ball security, how he handles his decision-making and seeing if we can move the ball while he’s in there.”

He knows what he has to work with in order to impress the coaches.

“It’s exciting, but your window of opportunity is very small,” Palko said. “So you have got to make the most of it when you get your chances. . . . Here (at camp), you’re kind of like an afterthought. You have to continue to have the mentality of getting reps and stealing reps — watching Drew and Jamie, really taking from that.”

On Sunday, Palko was 4-for-8 for 53 yards, with no touchdowns and one interception. He also almost got teammate Robert Meachem killed while leading him over the middle with a pass.





I’m confused, did Palko draw up that play to have Meachem run a crossing route across the middle? Did he audible to it or something? I just thought the receivers were running the routes the coaches told them to and Palko threw the ball to where he’d be, but a db closed in.

BTW, watch the play in slo-mo, he had already dropped the ball WELL before he got hit. If he would have caught the ball and kept his head up he wouldn’t have gotten destroyed – instead he was looking at the ground where the ball was headed to.

I guess he’s doesn’t like playing across the middle – sounds like he’ll fit in perfectly with the rest of the WR in the NFL.

Comment by Stuart 08.10.07 @ 3:38 pm

Lesean McCoy missed practiced today with tweaked ankle.

Comment by don 08.10.07 @ 4:00 pm

Stuart, I’m as big a Pitt fan as anyone else but take off your blue and gold glasses and enter the real world. Don’t think that because Palko was a Panther means he can do no wrong. He threw across the middle where the DB’s were lining up his reciever.

And when you say to “watch the play in slo-mo, he had already dropped the ball WELL before he got hit”…well anytime you put something in slow motion it’s going to see like something happened a lot longer before it actually did. Use your head…

Comment by Tim Z. 08.10.07 @ 5:58 pm

When I watch football, I never hear the announcer say “wow – the way X receiver just got laid out across the middle – that was (insert qb’s name here) fault! He should have never thrown that ball!”

I see guys get blasted running across the middle EVERY WEEKEND – yet i never hear “that goddam Manning” or “that goddam Brady” – its part of football.

In a game played so fast with crappy camera work – you have to look at replays to see what really happened – look at the replay – he was already dropping the ball WELL before (in football time) he got hit. The refs are standing right there and they need to look at replays to see what happened half the time.

Did you hear me blame that INT on someone else running a route wrong or some shit like that? That was Palkos fault – but you have to throw the ball over the middle and people are going to get hit. What else is he doing to do, throw only deep outs all day and ignore 50% of the field so that his receivers don’t get blasted? Its not like he threw the ball high in the air so his receiver had to leave his feet – if the kid had caught the ball he had plenty of football time to get ready to get hit.

Oh, thats right, the anouncers said it was palkos fault, so it must be. I guess gold and black glasses give a clearer picture.

And that second ball the kid dropped – that was Palkos fault too?

Comment by Stuart 08.10.07 @ 6:14 pm

The announcers were Cris Collingsworth, who is one of the most annoying whiny snivelpuss who ever lived, and a former WR, so of course he’d call out the QB. Plus, he’s an unabashed ass-smoocher of the top players, so he would also tend to rip the free agent QB over the elite top draft pick. Too bad someone like Delton Hall didn’t cripple him in a game in the late 80’s.

Comment by geeman2001 08.10.07 @ 6:23 pm

Seriously – rewind the Tivo, look at it again – tell me that receiver is any good. He leaves his feet to catch a ball thrown at his helmet, can’t even hold on to it, and then gets blasted. Find me one coach that tells a receiver to leave his feet when you don’t have to – and ask them what can happen when you leave your feet for no reason. Just cause the kid was a higher pick, and the announcers say so, doesn’t mean it was Palkos fault.

The rest of Palkos play I could care less about – I just think it was a bullshit call on that play for obvious reasons.

Comment by Stuart 08.10.07 @ 6:25 pm

Just like I said months ago. PALKO SUCKS!

Comment by msquared 08.10.07 @ 7:44 pm

I mean sucked. His career is over.

Comment by msquared 08.10.07 @ 7:53 pm

Exactly geeman. Couldn’t have said it better myself.

Hopefully Palko does even better tonight.

On another note, anyone sick of those big 11 commercials talking about how amazing penn state is and how we should all call and beg the cable/dish company to put that garbage on the air? I sick and tired of seeing fucking shots of that shitholes stadium, and then polishing joepas nuts about how “philosophically” amazing he is. What a fucking joke. Make it fucking pay per view.

Penn State still sucks.

Comment by Stuart 08.10.07 @ 8:08 pm

msquared – yeah, morelli would have been much better. Thorough thought you put into that.

Comment by Stuart 08.10.07 @ 8:12 pm

Horrible pass by Palko. Hopefully he regroups.

Comment by omar 08.10.07 @ 8:59 pm

well, first and last pass sucked…but looked good inbetween…(although the announcers said the int wasn’t his fault…) That first pass he didn’t lead the guy enough – maybe he’s not used to faster wideouts in the nfl…

I hope this trend of ints doesn’t continue. now they just need the ball back.

Comment by Stuart 08.10.07 @ 9:04 pm

Where in the Pittsburgh area do you live Dennis? My power was knocked out yesterday for a little while too.

Comment by Nick 08.10.07 @ 9:11 pm

oh shit!

Comment by Stuart 08.10.07 @ 9:16 pm

too bad he got hurt there, that last throw was terrible, didn’t have his feet planted, threw off one foot… but that other throw was great. hopefully they play him in the second half too.

Comment by Stuart 08.10.07 @ 9:20 pm

Meachem is awesome. Sign that guy up for 10 years. That drop must have been Palkos fault too. Maybe he only likes to catch balls thrown from certain QBs.

If I were Palko I’d never pass to that douche. I’d rather throw it away. What an ass-clown.

Comment by Stuart 08.10.07 @ 9:45 pm

Well, that was terrible. His footwork went to shit, hes throwing ducks now. He better get that turned around yesterday. That first set went pretty well, and now, all down hill. Can’t make an excuse for his ankle, better work through it.

Comment by Stuart 08.10.07 @ 9:54 pm

Finally! Got his head on straight. Threw that one ball away a little fast there, but perfect fade. And Meachem held on to the ball!

I wonder if there going to let him play anymore after that – give him a chance to win this game!

Comment by Stuart 08.10.07 @ 10:15 pm

Atta boy Tyler!

Comment by tray 08.10.07 @ 10:16 pm

excuse me – “they’re” – don’t know wtf happened there.

Comment by Stuart 08.10.07 @ 10:18 pm

Sorry for my poor grammar and spelling above. Hopefully it didn’t diminish my deserved diatribe against Cris Collinsworth. I originally meant to blast his snide partner Bryant Gumbal too and got the tenses mixed. Could the NFL have gotten a worse combination?

I frankly had no idea a major network would show a Saints exhibition game nationally so I haven’t seen any of the Palko Show. Sounds from the commentary like there’s been some good and bad.

I’ll be the first to admit he was far from the greatest ever, but it continues to amaze me when so called “Pitt fans” rip him. Everyone’s entitled to their opinion, of course (except Gene Collier, he should have been lobotomized after trashing Aaron Gray earlier this year).

Comment by geeman2001 08.10.07 @ 10:31 pm

Especially since the kid put up 20+ points in at least 4 of our losses this year. What qb expects to lose a game when they’ve led a team to 45 points? For what he had to put up with around him, we should all be praising him.

Oh I forgot, he had one or two bad games in his career. NM, he sucked – booooooo! Bring back Rod!

Comment by Stuart 08.10.07 @ 10:35 pm

Andy Alleman who transferred from PITT is playing in front of Tyler. Palko is looking good so far and those 2 INT’s is just some rookie dust.

Comment by Panthoor 08.10.07 @ 10:43 pm

Palko being the sportsman that he is will take the blame for this. That false start by Petitti kinda doomed the drive. It looked like nothing has changed for Tyler and that is going to be good for him.

Comment by Panthoor 08.10.07 @ 10:49 pm

Nick, I live in Wexford…around 15 minutes north of the city.

Comment by Dennis 08.10.07 @ 10:56 pm

Gus Johnson, one of the announcers, said that “Palko won the Fiesta Bowl in his junior season.”

First off, he was a red-shirt sophomore.
Secondly, we got creamed by Utah 35-7 I think.

Granted, these announcers still did a much better job than Gumble and Collinsworth.

Palko played well I thought. Those INT’s were ugly, but his fade pass was perfect. I also liked his 19 yard scramble on 4th down.

Comment by Ryan M 08.11.07 @ 12:04 am

one more thinf y’all did not mention- that drive that stalled after Palko completed that long pass on 3rd & 19 – the receiver cut just short of the 1st down line for the reception. A couple of steps further and Palk thru for 19 yds and a drive continuing 1st down. Was it Palko’s fault the receiver made his cut a step or two too early?

Comment by EE68 08.11.07 @ 12:06 am

Post on Palko from a New Orleans website:

link to blog.nola.com

Comment by KeithS 08.11.07 @ 8:38 am

Stuart just stop. Your stats proved Rutherford was better than Palko. It isn’t even a question. Palko is a nice kid and he might stick in the NFL. However, he is a career backup at best. I enjoyed watching both of them play and hope Palko can make the team in New Orleans.

Comment by Omar 08.11.07 @ 10:47 am

That last sentence is probably the best way to put it, Omar. As a Pitt fan, they were both fortunate ‘gets’. As far as comparisons, other than being lefties and both having 5-foot-tall WRs at times (Roth and DelSardo) the rest is apples and oranges. Rod got the benefit of some better OLs and having Fitzgerald, but had the far better arm and size. Plus he seemed to steadily improve from year to year. TP was better prepped to be a QB from the start, but had to deal with a coaching change, plummeting talent on the OL and WR in the last couple years, so he stagnated in showing progress (in retrospect maybe he should have come out after his sophomore year and those big ND and WV games). But given both were such high profile recruits, Pitt fans were lucky they stuck around and played here.

Comment by geeman2001 08.11.07 @ 11:03 am

I’m sure Chas won’t have anything to say about this, so I thought I’d post it in the comments:

link to post-gazette.com

Comment by B.B. 08.11.07 @ 1:31 pm

“Your stats proved Rutherford was better than Palko.”

Thats amazing. Go read them again. Bigger numbers are better. (palko: higher completion rate, more yards, better td/int ratio…)

And like i said i’m still waiting for all those “records” that Rod set to be pointed out to me.

I agree with some of geeman’s comments – “Rod got the benefit of some better OLs and having Fitzgerald…TP…had to deal with a coaching change, plummeting talent on the OL and WR in the last couple years…”

Exactly.

Comment by Stuart 08.11.07 @ 1:49 pm

Here is an interesting stat that both QBs share:

College 1A games played: Way more than all the people commenting on them (who probably never even played pee-wee football) put together.

They were both good. Put it to rest.

Comment by Jon C 08.11.07 @ 2:13 pm

[…] Have to admit, I didn’t have a chance to watch the Saints exhibition game last night. Read through everyone’s comments later so, I almost feel like I did see it. Despite a statistically mixed bag and harsh self-criticism from Tyler Palko – “Tyler did a pretty decent job for his first time out there with a significant amount of snaps,” New Orleans coach Sean Payton said. “His first interception was my fault. I thought he hung in there. […]


Stuart,

I mentioned this before, but Rutherford only started for two years. Palko started for three. Rutherford threw 60 touchdowns in two years and Palko threw 66 in three. Rutherford had 6500 yards and Palko had 8000 in three years. Rutherford was a better player at Pitt. It is not a question. In addition to Pitt having a better team, they also had a much more difficult schedule when Rutherford played. Prior to the Big East raid with Miami, VTech, and BC. In addition they played a home-and-home with Texas A&M.

Comment by Omar 08.11.07 @ 4:22 pm

Maybe you missed this, but td/int ratios don’t matter how many years it took. If its all about the # of TD’s and you don’t care how many int’s the guy threw, 1) you’re right, rod threw more td’s, and 2) you have no sense of what makes a good qb. Rod threw more ints in 2 years than palko did in 3. Awesome.

Completion percentage – missed this to. Even with Fitzgerald hauling in every pass thrown his way, he still had a worse completion percentage.

You also forget to point out rod had 420 attempts a year under wlat’s pass happy offense. Palko only had pass plays called 350 times a year. By the end of his career palko was completing 68% of his passes. You point out 2 versus 3 years, how about you normalize the numbers for attempts and then compare them.

Palko scored more points in his losses than rod did in his, and the crappy d gave up more points in palkos losses to “inferior” opponents than they did against rod’s. Just keep ignoring the fact Palko played on worse teams with worse players than Rod – yet the D under rod gave up less points to these better teams…hmm…

Ignore 34 of those 60 td’s went the the most amazing WR in recent history. Palkos leading receiver (who can’t even make it to the NFL) had HALF of that. Fitzgerald was amazing, Rod was along for the ride.

If you want to bring back Rod and Wlat, that’s all you. Its one of the more ridiculous things i’ve heard in a while, thanks for the laugh.

The team was better for 2 seasons than palkos 3 – and you confuse this for Rod being better. Let’s compare QB’s here, not teams.

Comment by Stuart 08.11.07 @ 5:59 pm

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