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September 22, 2011

At the earliest Pitt and Syracuse join the ACC will be in time for the 2012 season. We will see how negotiations go. As Troy Nunes points out, it is in Pitt and Syracuse’s interests that the Big East move quickly on their expansion — no matter how stupid or short-term their choices may be. Of course never underestimate the stupidity and false sense of importance of the basketball schools helping Pitt and Syracuse leave before the 27 month waiting period.

This could be a negotiating tactic, or he could be serious, but in either case several member schools just want the two schools gone.

There is a feeling in the basketball programs at some member schools that the eventual departure of Pitt and Syracuse will provide some breathing room, that the league had become too great for its own good.

There was room for a record 11 teams to earn NCAA Tournament bids last season, but the presence of Hall of Fame coaches Jim Boeheim and Jim Calhoun at the top of the league and the heavy concentration of elite teams has made it difficult for many league members to gain the necessary media attention to improve their programs through recruiting.

Oh, please, please, please, please, please be true. Hell if I’m in the Big East offices, after I peel myself off the ceiling, is to let my paranoia run wild that this is a planted story from the ACC or Pitt/Syracuse.

At it’s best it undermines the negotiating position of the Big East in getting more financial considerations from the departing programs. At worst it reveals such a crack in the Big East members faith in Marinatto on all sides.

Just hope it is true.

 





I hope this is true. In reality, why would the Big East want us around as a constant reminder of the situation? Everyone needs to be looking forward toward the future and not dwelling on the past. The sooner the ties are cut, the better for both parties.

On an unrelated note…I have two extra tickets for the Notre Dame game on Saturday, they are in the front row of the club section (235) on the 50 yard line. I can be reached at jeffrealtor@hotmail.com . Notre Dame trolls need not apply. Oh, and I am selling them for face value $40.00 per ticket.

Comment by Jeff in CPa 09.22.11 @ 11:56 am

Chas – you tweeted that the BearcatLair has a source saying the ACC was jealous of the Big East. Maybe it was, maybe not. But I think the whole point of bringing Pitt/SU on board was for ND.

Texas wanted Pitt in the Big 12, though for the life of me I have no idea why. The ACC wanted to prevent Texas from having that option, but also knew they could destabilize the BE by stealing Pitt and SU. This would hopefully implode the BE, forcing ND into their waiting arms. Everyone knows ND is loath to join the B1G, as Dan Wetzel pointed out.

Going to 14 teams makes no sense without this logic. They want ND, and they have one more slot to play with to get them. If the BE somehow survives this defection, they’ll take the next biggest fish that meets their profile. The BE won’t survive that.

The BE has to face reality. There will be no big TV contract now. Football members need to be part of an entity with their needs in mind, not those of Providence. The hoops-playing schools need to be kicked down to the A-10 level they deserve. They have no right to a seat at the big kids table, nor revenue above what they should earn as small schools with limited followings.

Comment by JLA 09.22.11 @ 12:26 pm

I think it is quite obvious that by bringing in Syracuse and Pitt was basketball related, weakening what has no doubt become the best NCAA baskteball confernce and strenthening theirs.

As I have posted previously, I believe the ACC will not go to 16 unless it is assured that ND or PSU are not interested. On the surface, it would seem a long shot but I keep reading that ND may have more interest in the ACC than the B10, and there are sound reasons for PSU to consider a change (though the odds are still against it.)

Otherwise, I think UConn and Rutgers will be the next 2 BE teams to be invited by the ACC

Comment by wbb 09.22.11 @ 12:38 pm

Sooner the better. As for basketball, why would you want them in there?? Either one could win the regualr season, or the BE tourney, and really shove it in your face.

Less likely, one of them wins the BE football this year or next, again, probably not likely, but the egg on the face of the BE sending Pitt or Syracuse to the Orange or Sugar Bowl???

Why even take a chance?? We don’t want to be there, they don’t want us, just handle it.

If they keep us, would be sweet to see Pitt win the tourney at MSG!! ha ha Hell, even Syracuse!!

Hey, gotta give him credit, Boeheim lashed back at all of them, and just told the truth!!!

Comment by Dan 09.22.11 @ 12:41 pm

I’d like us (“us” is now the ACC… that’s really weird) to add two more schools.

One has to be UConn for hoops, and another strong, northern football school.

My first choice would be PSU, second would be Notre Dame (moreso PSU, it would just be cool to have the ACC be the official conference of the eastern U.S., and I know that both are pipe dreams).

If neither of them wants to join, I say bring the Hoopies. Sue me. They’ve had football and basketball success recently. I know this sounds blasphemous as a Pitt die hard, but they really don’t deserve to be stuck in the same boat as the likes of Cincy. Plus, they could keep their rivalry with Pitt, while renewing their rivalry with VT.

Comment by Jimbo Covert's My Dad 09.22.11 @ 12:53 pm

Oh, and under NO CIRCUMSTANCES should Buttgers get in.

They stink in basketball, had like 2 good years in football with Ray Rice, and nobody in the coveted NYC market cares about them.

Comment by Jimbo Covert's My Dad 09.22.11 @ 12:55 pm

Do any of you know the by laws of big east i think that is the right term. Because what i wont to know is if we vote to not let a school join is that enough to stop a new member. put it this way as long as we are there we have a vote can we make it nasty so big east would get rid of us . any body know can we disrupt things

Comment by FRANKCAN 09.22.11 @ 12:57 pm

FB recruiting has come to a standstill. We must at least be competitive Saturday.

See yinz’all there.

Comment by steve 09.22.11 @ 1:36 pm

Believe it or not, academics may indeed matter to the ACC. You would think that Louisvile would be seriously considered of their basketball program and their proximity to the Carolina and Virginia schools, and you would think WVU would be considered because of their football, avid fan following and proximity.

Maybe I’m underestimating the Pgh TV market

Comment by wbb 09.22.11 @ 1:37 pm

Watch closely Coach Graham:

link to espn.go.com

Comment by steve 09.22.11 @ 1:37 pm

Frank – my memory is that 75% of the football schools must approve a new football member. That is why Villanova was blocked even though the vote was 5-3 in favor. So, Pitt and Syracuse could not block expansion by themselves, but they would only need one more vote to do so. In a conference as fractured as the Big East, it is not hard to imagine another school voting against a particular proposal.

wbb – although not the first criteria, I think academics are important to several of the ACC schools. WVU is hurt not only by their low rankings (which most administrators acknowledge are a flawed measurement), but by the recent degree scandal. It’s not every day that a school is found to have given a degree to the Governor’s daughter, who also happens to be an executive at a major donor, even though she never completed any coursework. Also, right or wrong, I don’t think WVU’s reputation is helped by the fact that their fans’ behavior reinforces the view that they are out of control – throwing items at opposing teams/fans, group chanting of expletives that make it onto national tv, burning furniture, etc.

Comment by Pantherman13 09.22.11 @ 2:06 pm

And WVU’s athletic program is under investigation. Why would either the ACC or SEC want all that baggage?

Comment by TX Panther 09.22.11 @ 2:10 pm

The Big East will take their money upfront thank you

Comment by Tony C 09.22.11 @ 2:22 pm

You better believe V-tech lobbied hard against WVU, they have not been happy with the way they’ve been treated in Morgantown

Comment by BnG 09.22.11 @ 2:28 pm

pantherman13 so if acc takes two more from big east we could shut it down.

Comment by FRANKCAN 09.22.11 @ 2:53 pm

Sounds like a very awkward situation for Pitt and Syracuse to remain in the league beyong this year. My guess is the BE is just waiting for their payoff and we will be ACC bound next season.

Anyone else not at all looking forward to Saturdays game?? Its been quite some time since I hoped that Pitt did not play a game for another month. Tino scares the hell out of me and that pass defense is pathetic.

Is Tom Bradley still available???

Comment by Coach Ditka 09.22.11 @ 2:55 pm

If Pitt and SU cannot leave for 27 months, do they still get to vote for those 27 months? Nova…welcome, Temple…grab a seat, ECU…let me lead you to the buffet

Comment by dcpinpgh 09.22.11 @ 2:57 pm

FRANKCAN
All it would take to shut down BE is for Ucon to get an offer. The BB would be crushed and the 3 schoools could band together and stop any expansion (5-3 vote). This would effectively force the BE to give immediate release(we would pay their silly $5M-donors like me would pony up) and we would be sitting pretty.

Comment by Jim 09.22.11 @ 3:01 pm

SO if ACC WANTS US BEFORE THE 27 MONTHS THEY TAKE ONE MORE SCHOOL AND IF THEY DONT WE STAY ALL UP TO THE ACC. DO YOU KNOW IF BC IS BLOCKING UCON AND IF SO WHY.

Comment by FRANKCAN 09.22.11 @ 3:09 pm

I am reminded of the old line from “Jaws” when Quint says he wants to see the look on the taxidermist’s face when he says “look what we brung ya” when the Pitt basketball team walks out onto the court the first time at Duke or UNC.

Comment by longsufferingpittfan 09.22.11 @ 3:16 pm

I just don’t see the conference letting us out until at least there is another two teams lined up for scheduling purposes. If they let us out next season and don’t have 2 others ready to go that means the remaining teams would have to schedule 6 out of conference games.
So hopefully they can get Navy or whoever else they want that is available, and soon. So we can move on.

Comment by Twink 09.22.11 @ 3:29 pm

Pantherman13,

the latest WVU incident is wearning obscene T-shirts. Now get this!! The Student council is actually offering to buy these T-shirts from the students so they will not wear them on national TV Saturday, and embarass the University .. I AM NOT MAKING THIS UP

I also emailed the link that Steve provided about Hitler being the commissioner of the BE to my Ex who is a WVU alum. She responded back that WVU deserves more respect because of football.

I reminded her about the couch burning, the coins tossed at asst basketball coaches, the MBA incident and now the T-shirts … haven’t heard from her since. (The last time I got the silent email treatment was during the MBA incident when I said I still believed that her degree was valid — didn’t appreciate my sarcasm)

Comment by wbb 09.22.11 @ 3:49 pm

what did the shirts say? as idiotic as they are, I at least get a chuckle out of the morons

Comment by Big Bill 09.22.11 @ 4:54 pm

Big Bill, not exactly sure

link to blogs.sites.post-gazette.com

Comment by wbb 09.22.11 @ 4:56 pm

@Pantherman13

Also, right or wrong, I don’t think WVU’s reputation is helped by the fact that their fans’ behavior reinforces the view that they are out of control – throwing items at opposing teams/fans, group chanting of expletives that make it onto national tv, burning furniture, etc.

That sounds exactly like College Park every time the Terps face Duke (maybe minus throwing things at opponents).

Comment by Ghost of Hornman 09.22.11 @ 5:02 pm

FrankCAN, Back when Boston College left the Big East, it was my understanding that Boston College felt that they were at a disavantage recruiting against UConn. If so they probably are not too thrilled with the prospect of competing against them in the ACC.

Comment by Justinian 09.22.11 @ 5:05 pm

justinian thanks for info.

Comment by FRANKCAN 09.22.11 @ 5:12 pm

FWIW, I guess UConn filed a lawsuit against BC, UM and VT back in 2003. The BC fan contingent, such as it is, has not forgotten. Therefore it is up to Swofford and Company to get BC to forgive and forget…easier said than done.

All of this conference intrigue has garnered my attention more than the Steelers season or the Penguins preseason.

Comment by Penguins Fan 09.22.11 @ 5:19 pm

UConn is my top realistic choice. Any chance we can grab Kentucky if State Penn and Notre Dame decline?

Comment by Tony C 09.22.11 @ 5:36 pm

Oh yeah and screw Buttgers

Comment by Tony C 09.22.11 @ 5:37 pm

No way do I want to see the self-serving Irish in this mix in any way.

The first time a better offer, like the sweetheart deal the BE gave them, comes a round they will bolt.

Afterall, they were looking out for the rest of the BE, right?

Comment by Jim 09.22.11 @ 5:43 pm

Big Bill & wbb, they say “West F***in’ Virginia”

Comment by KeyboardKev 09.22.11 @ 5:53 pm

“I think it is quite obvious that by bringing in Syracuse and Pitt was basketball related, weakening what has no doubt become the best NCAA baskteball confernce and strenthening theirs.”

Again gents, this has NOTHING to do with basketball. Basketball does not create much revenue.
LMAO. It’s about what kind of VALUE a school brings in regards to new FOOTBALL TV contracts. And to a small extent the school, at least in the case of the ACC, must be an academic fit.
Pittsburgh is the 20th or so TV market in the USA and that is virgin territory for the ACC. As is the upstate New York and to a slight degree the NYC TV market.

You have to look at this whole conference realignment agenda, as a CEO of a company or the CFO, not as a fan. Surely the rumors of the LIG being seriously interested in Rutgers would convince you this even has nothing to do with the quality of athletic teams.

Comment by melvinbennett 09.22.11 @ 5:54 pm

The schools the ACC has added are all good academic schools, the worst was VT and remember the ACC was forced to take VT, they initially wanted Syracuse.

The got BC, most importantly for the Boston TV market.

Miami was for a bigger TV football contract and South Florida TV market.
VT was only because UVA caused a fuss. But it did add to a bigger TV football contract.

Pitt was for the Pittsburgh TV market and a bigger football TV contract. Same for Cuse.

The fact that these schools are all good academically was a bonus and the fact that some have had great football and/or great basketball at various times is just another added bonus.

Comment by melvinbennett 09.22.11 @ 6:06 pm

lol Tony C.

Do you seriously believe Kentucky would leave the SEC, where they get more money and are one the SEC powers in basketball?

Comment by melvinbennett 09.22.11 @ 6:09 pm

melvinbennett we will just have to kick everybodys ass in big east for two years and have a laugh abought who they bring in to play football . but i still would like the ACC to add one more from big east than we could piss them off bye blocking things with our votes

Comment by FRANKCAN 09.22.11 @ 6:10 pm

Oh btw,

ACC said 10 schools applied to them for admission.

How many schools in the BigEast for football, eight right. That means the whole BigEast conference more than likely applied for admission. haha
And who knows TCU might have as well.

Or the 9th & 10th could have been KU & KSU since they’re tethered together, acting as hedge if the Big 12 imploded. Or it could have been TCU & Mizzou. But 8 of the 10 were most assuredly Pitt, WVU, Cuse, Uconn, Rutgers, USF, Cincy & L-Ville . (no wonder L’ville’s AD Jurich was caught on video dissing Pitt, we had just been selected over his employer)

Comment by melvinbennett 09.22.11 @ 6:17 pm

@Frankcan,

Like I posted yesterday, ESPN can step in and tell Marinatto to waive the 27 months if ESPN wants it that way.

The BigEast’s TV contract is up for renewal in 2012 and the ACC has to renegotiate their TV contract.

And Big Daddy ESPN is the one handing out the ‘Spending money’. So they are the ones who can make it happen very easily.

Comment by melvinbennett 09.22.11 @ 6:21 pm

Agree about kicking everyone’s ass, but we need to put Tiny on the bench and let the Little Operator play.

Comment by melvinbennett 09.22.11 @ 6:22 pm

I predict after football is over and maybe hoops season, ESPN will do exactly that.

Comment by melvinbennett 09.22.11 @ 6:31 pm

MB eventhough the Pittsburgh area is 20th, an additional consideration that brought during the Big 10 conversations a few years ago was advertizing dollars. Pittsburgh is still a big corporate town.

Comment by Justinian 09.22.11 @ 6:32 pm

“Connecticut has made it clear it still wants out of the Big East, declining even to attend this week’s meeting regarding preservation of the league, but the Huskies appear to have no high level options.”

Funny, the initial story on the BigEast Tuesday nite meeting made no mention of UCONN, NOT EVEN Attending the meeting. haha

Comment by melvinbennett 09.22.11 @ 6:37 pm

Yes Justinian,

Pittsburgh still has several Fortune 500 companies and one of the largest hospital networks in America. That being the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center, the area’s, Largest Employer.

Which is why I suggested several weeks ago UPMC buy the cable TV operations and not allow the Big 10 network in Pittsburgh. lol

Comment by melvinbennett 09.22.11 @ 6:41 pm

melvinbennett I have a handle on big 12 expension if it is one school it is BYU. but the SEC is hard to get a handle on becuse they cant just take any body becuse they are in there mind they are the SEC pride and all that. they cant take a mid major but they wont get a team from big 12 or from the ACC. So i dont see any one that fits but you know they cant stay at 13.

Comment by FRANKCAN 09.22.11 @ 6:41 pm

I have cable TV experience I could run it for them.
And I would love developing the training plan for the Telephone reps in how to deal with irate Nitter fans. lol

Comment by melvinbennett 09.22.11 @ 6:44 pm

Why not the Little 11 had 11 for a long time.

Comment by melvinbennett 09.22.11 @ 6:47 pm

These conf’s won’t just add teams to add teams.

The schools have to bring value with them, financially or something extraordinary.

Adding another team, adds another ‘mouth to feed’.
And these conferences are not into Social Welfare.

Comment by melvinbennett 09.22.11 @ 6:50 pm

We all talk about UConn and football and mens BB when they are trying to get into the ACC. But bringing in UConn womens BB team would be a nice since the SEC has the Lady Vols of Tennessee……..

Comment by mtoolmn 09.22.11 @ 7:06 pm

How does bringing Uconn into the ACC have anything to do with Tennessee in the SEC?? Explain

And women’s basketball? (too funny)

Comment by melvinbennett 09.22.11 @ 7:12 pm

melvinbennett have you thought abought this the football teams the big east wants to bring in are for football only not full members.

Comment by FRANKCAN 09.22.11 @ 7:15 pm

Yeah that’s so the bball only schools still control the league. Only the truly desperate will apply for membership, example ECU.

Comment by melvinbennett 09.22.11 @ 7:28 pm

Here’s some breaking news:

OU got it’s wish, Don Beebe was fired today as B12 Commissioner. He was supposedly in Texas’s hip pocket.

link to rivals.yahoo.com

Comment by melvinbennett 09.22.11 @ 7:30 pm

Navy gets a better bowl game than they could get in the BigEast’s incredibly bad bowl lineup. So why, why, why…. would that fine institution want to be associated with Tier 3 schools like USF, Cincy, L-Ville, WVU???

More Providence shit on the wall.

Comment by melvinbennett 09.22.11 @ 7:41 pm

You can’t make this shit up.

Sunseri’s best game to date was last year @ Syracuse

The city derives its name from Siracusa, a city on the eastern coast of the Italian island of Sicily.

Sunseri’s real first name is Santino, as the TV announcers explained last year, he was named after
Santino (Sonny) Corleone, the James Caan fictional character in the classic movie
‘The Godfather’. Of course the Corleone’s were from Sicily, as any ‘made’ member of the Mafia has to be.

Comment by John Gotti 09.22.11 @ 8:16 pm

melvin navy is not in yet they may not come who knows what they may bring in . UCF is there best bet. but it will probley be nova .

Comment by FRANKCAN 09.22.11 @ 8:21 pm

I do not care who the Big East gets so long as they let Pitt go early. UCF would be my first choice if I was them. Navy and Air Force would have to be insane to join the Big East. What does it gain them? I do not think the Big East’s bowls are anything worth writing home about.

All this talk about Notre Dame joining the ACC was started by Notre Dame! The ACC should be smart enough to figure out that Notre Dame is doing this to preserve the Big East by not having the ACC further raid the Big East. If the ACC wants to stand pat at fourteen, that is fine. They should not do that solely for the reason on what Notre Dame states publicly!

I hope Ray Graham has a TD type day against the Golden Domers on Saturday! Hail To Pitt.

Comment by John In South Carolina 09.22.11 @ 9:17 pm

john in south carolina you are 100 percent right forget ND they arent joining . it is a scam

Comment by FRANKCAN 09.22.11 @ 9:32 pm

Wow, we got diamond ring ads on here now. Help !

Exactly I could care less who the BigEast gets, they could add Duquesne & CMU as far as I care.

@Frank….yea I know Navy isn’t in yet, I was just saying why would they even be considering the BE.

They have their own bowl deal as long they finish .500 or better. Which is pretty much a given the last 10 years.

Comment by melvinbennett 09.22.11 @ 9:59 pm

And the BE has the worst bowl lineup in the history of BCS conferences.

Comment by melvinbennett 09.22.11 @ 10:01 pm

Besides my link to Chuck Amato, graduating with him with the Easton High School class of 1964, would I ever imagine rooting for NC State over Cincy?

Tonight I am.

Comment by steve 09.22.11 @ 10:02 pm

bobbles & trinkets for broads who divorce you,

ya that makes sense.

Comment by melvinbennett 09.22.11 @ 10:03 pm

Watchin the cincinnati north carolina state game I’m not sure who to cheer 4. Do you cheer for nc state because that’s where were going or for cincinnati because that’s where we are?

Comment by Jeff in CPa 09.22.11 @ 10:12 pm

You might have jewelry ads, I have cars. The ads you see are triggered by what you search, I think. Filtered by what Chas allows, of course.

Comment by Stfan 09.22.11 @ 10:17 pm

And now a $125 million donation to Pitt. This would be a really, really great week if we can end it with a win on Saturday…

Comment by Bowling Green Panther 09.22.11 @ 10:21 pm

Believe me I’m not doing a search on diamonds or any other trinkets for women. In fact, I really hate all these diamond ads on these radio stations.

Men are so stupid these days. Diamonds do not buy love, they only show how desperate you are.

Comment by melvinbennett 09.22.11 @ 10:33 pm

Hmm, now cars and car insurance. Maybe they know my daughter just got ANOTHER speeding ticket. Isn’t she going to be surprised when her insurance kicks her into the pool?!

Anyway, thank God for all this ACC talk. Keeps my mind off Saturday’s game.

Comment by Stfan 09.22.11 @ 10:48 pm

The ACC does not need UCONN. The footbal program has been avererage and will stay there. Pitt fans complain aout Heinz field…UCONN’s facilty are horrible. Rutgers is a tad better and adds some NY market that Syracuse does not. The ACC will not change. 20 million exit fee is not a joke. I think they should go for South (really West) Florida and Rutgers.

Comment by notrocketscience 09.22.11 @ 11:06 pm

when it rains it pours…couldn’t happen to a bigger incompetent (Marinatto)

Rumors on CFT.com is that the Big 12 is seriously considering TCU.

Goodbye Big East.

DaveD

Comment by DaveD 09.23.11 @ 2:16 am

Interesting little bit on Uconn, who I think would be a legit contender for another ACC spot.

link to courant.com

Honestly, if the ACC picked up ND and WVU miraculously too, I think it would be a perfect conference for us. then maybe drop NC state… Maybe if it is driven by football they’d even be able to improve WV education to fit the mold!

I also think that ND is finally coming to the conference crossroads, mainly with the specific network coverage going up… (BTN, et cetera) It will be a drive for money in the next few years, but it will come. That is of course if the ND network doesn’t take off, but that’s a limited market as seen by execs.

Comment by Benzene 09.23.11 @ 12:18 pm

what is ND WON LOST RECORD FROM 2000 TO 2010 WHAT IS PITT WON LOST RECORD FROM 2000 TO 2010.

Comment by FRANKCAN 09.23.11 @ 1:28 pm

Who knows which Pitt team will show up. After the first two games, I thought we would ge killed at Iowa. Then when we kicked their butts in the first half, I was stunned with the inability to get a single 1st down in the last 3 or 4 series.

Comment by Justinian 09.23.11 @ 7:35 pm

I don’t care if we never play WVU again. Rivalry or not, throwing rocks at our buses, coins at our coaches…who needs such trash?

Comment by Stfan 09.23.11 @ 7:58 pm

Those shirts should say “West A$$hole Virginia”.

Comment by ChrisA 09.24.11 @ 11:42 am

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