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September 14, 2011

You know, I put this together at the end of last week, and didn’t get around to posting it. In part, because it was coming right up against an actual Pitt game. Now little has actually changed, but it feels like stuff is a lot closer to happening. Consider this an update and some good reading material on what is happening.  Right now it is nothing. Some speculation. Some talking out the ass. And some smart observations.

The threat of a lawsuit from Baylor and other Big 12 members  — Kansas, K-State, Iowa St. and Mizzou — is not a real deterrent for the SEC to take Texas A&M. It is just the excuse for a chance to pause.

The explanation that makes the most sense is that this is simply SEC commissioner Mike Slive taking advantage of the threat to try and get Larry Scott and the Pac-12 to move first. It’s unlikely to work, but Slive has the time to give it a go. And indeed, Slive is now speaking in terms of “when,” not “if” with regards to A&M.

The thing to remember is that there is no lawsuit yet. There very may be one at some point, but it is still merely a threat. The merits may have some validity — though hard to prove. And I don’t think that anyone disputes that if they were in Baylor’s or the Big 12′s shoes they would be looking at this option. But the actual money and compensation, probably won’t amount to much and not nearly that easy to prove true damages. As with the Big East-ACC lawsuit, it took a couple years just to reach a settlement.

In potentially just spinning crap, but interesting is that Texas A&M may simply leave the Big 12 regardless of the SEC invite and go solo for a year until the SEC takes them.

No matter Texas A&M’s direction from here, there’s one place the Aggies won’t be after next summer: the Big 12.

Following this school year, A&M intends to be in the Southeastern Conference, and assurances out of Aggieland on Thursday night are that an announcement on that front is simply a “matter of time.” If the SEC agreement somehow falls through — and chances are great it won’t — the Aggies might go independent for a year.

That’s how bad they don’t want to be in the Big 12. Multiple A&M insiders have said as much — the Aggies have gone too far to turn around now.

That would certainly undercut a lawsuit against the SEC — though not against A&M. Still that would be a last ditch, almost nuclear option. No major TV money for a year, plus paying the Big 12 exit fees. No program exposure except for local media.

Still, everyone knows that Texas A&M will head to the SEC. The question that remains is who will be team number 14. The early talk of Virginia Tech has faded as VT made it very clear it was happy in the ACC. BUT…

“Then we’ve got to look and see. We’ve got to ascertain what’s best for us in the future,” [VT AD Jim] Weaver said Thursday. “We would like to stay in the current ACC…. Our (pro-ACC) comments… are predicated upon our belief that the 12-member ACC is still intact.

“If anybody does (leave), we’ve got to talk.”

So if, say Florida State were to head to the SEC, then things change. If the SEC moves to 16, then things would change. Basically, VT is never saying never. Especially if the move to 16-team conferences happens.

As for Florida State, they appear willing to freak out the ACC.

With recent talk of a possible formation of four super conferences, Andy Haggard, chairman of FSU’s board of trustees, said Tuesday that his school has begun forming a committee that will explore the university’s options. He says FSU should be prepared for any scenario, whether it’s moving to another conference or staying in the ACC and having a say in who else may join the league. That could mean Texas, which will seek to leave the Big 12 if Oklahoma and Oklahoma State jump to the Pac-12, which is expected.

Haggard, FSU President Eric Barron and Athletic Director Randy Spetman have held meetings to determine who the decision-makers will be when it comes to forming FSU’s committee.

“We are going to explore the conferences, what’s going on and make sure if anything does happen at Florida State that we are ready,” Haggard said from his law firm office in Coral Gables.

The issue of the 14th SEC program, for now, remains a back-burner issue. The primary interest these days is what happens to the Big 12 schools — specifically Oklahoma and OK. State?

The idea that the Pac-12 wouldn’t expand? Few truly believed that Pac-12 Commissioner Larry Scott is really going to keep his conference at 12 if Oklahoma and Oklahoma St. request membership.

Someone asked if Scott could guarantee that the Pac-12 wouldn’t be the Pac-14 or Pac-16 a year from now. He couldn’t do it — which tells you everything about the fluidity and frailty of college sports.

“I hope it does [stay the same],” he said. “The ink is still drying on our new logos, the field paint, the uniforms. But it’s our hope that the world stays the way it is and we get to enjoy what we’ve created. But I don’t think anyone this day and age, with how dynamic the situation is, would stick their neck out and say nothing’s going to [happen].”

With Dan Beebe relegated to cheering for the teams that could be left behind, Texas took a semi-public lead in trying to preserve the Big 12. First, by belatedly floating the idea of equal revenue sharing among conference members (Longhorn Network excluded of course) from TV and bowls. And also flying to Oklahoma and awkwardly asking the Sooners to stay.

University of Texas President Bill Powers and athletic directors DeLoss Dodds and Chris Plonsky boarded a plane early Sunday afternoon for a meeting at the University of Oklahoma with one hope: Find a creative solution to save the Big 12.

Their Oklahoma counterparts had a different agenda.

In fact, before the Longhorns party had arrived, OU’s board of regents had instructed school President David L. Boren to prepare a document to formally apply for admission to the Pac-12, a source close to the situation said.

Oklahoma is expected to be joined in exodus by Oklahoma State to become the Pac-12′s 13th and 14th institutions.

“There’s nothing Texas could have offered Oklahoma that would have changed their mind. They were set on leaving the Big 12 before Texas got there,” a well-placed source at a Big 12 school said, adding that Sunday’s meeting had a very friendly and cooperative tone. “The Big 12′s done. Oklahoma wasn’t open to creating Big 12 stability.”

Not exactly a shock, and about the best that could be spun was that Oklahoma and OSU’s departure is not as close as that story made it appear. But it is clear that they are not planning on hanging around in the Big 12.

This bit on how Texas has been forcing itself towards independence despite its statements to the contrary is a solid read.

It’s true they don’t want to be an independent, even if every action they take seems as if they do. Certainly Texas acts like an independent. If it smells like an independent, talks like an independent, acts like an independent, I’m guessing deep down it’s an independent.

I’m hoping I’m wrong on this, because I think going independent would be a colossal mistake as we rocket toward super conferences. Texas, though, may be painting itself into that corner without any other option, because the Big 12 appears too fractured to survive.

If so, the Pac-12 would be the Longhorns’ best bet.

At this point, independence is looking like the end result. Why?

Ego and power.

Texas does not want to concede either. It doesn’t want to give up its precious Longhorn Network, nor does it want its clout diminished by joining another established conference where it won’t have as big a say.

By clinging to their new toy — a valuable one, at that — and flaunting it, and insisting on uneven revenue sharing, the Longhorns have alienated the rest of the conference, created unrest and acrimony, and thrown their weight around so much that schools in their own league see them as a bully.

Naturally Texas doesn’t see it that way, but that does seem to be the situation they are heading towards. Even if, Missouri isn’t pulled into the SEC.  It is only short-term. A few years, maybe. Losing Texas A&M is going to be a bigger blow than Texas wants to admit. It is one less voice in the conference that could push back against Texas. More so with Oklahoma. Even in the earliest days of the Big East football conference when Miami dominated there was at least Syracuse or WVU fighting them. Or VT later. The Big 12 doesn’t have much, if any competition.

Heck, even Texas recognizes that. So, their latest trial balloon is that maybe they can find a home in the ACC (along with their Longhorn Network).

It will be a bit of a sales job and will require the help of ESPN, but in all likelihood Texas can keep the Longhorn Network and its revenue ($15 million per year for 20 years) by going to the ACC, something the Pac-12 would be unwilling to consider.

The ACC is in the first year of a new, 12-year deal with ESPN, which controls the Tier 1, 2 and 3 TV rights in the ACC. And with no Big 12 left to spend money on (in all likelihood), ESPN can probably help make the Longhorn Network palatable to the ACC by giving the ACC a break-the-bank television deal with Texas on board that will blow the ACC members away.

Consider it a reward to the ACC for accepting Texas’ unique revenue stream. But there would be incentive for the ACC to take Texas. The Southeastern Conference and Big Ten stand to poach schools out of the ACC if it appears the college arms race is leading to 16-team super conferences.

The ACC could help fortify its walls by adding Texas and a school like Kansas.

There are couple important points here. (I saw it come past in a twitter feed yesterday, and I can’t remember the source, but it goes like this:) In any Chip Brown piece, simply swap out “sources say” with “Texas wants” and the piece is much clearer and understandable.

You can make the case with the academic angle that Texas and the ACC isn’t completely insane. Yet, it is hard not to see this as merely smoke. The whole buzz of Texas to the ACC seems to be an Austin emanating signal. The idea that Texas would get help from ESPN (owner of the Longhorn Network) to effectively bribe the ACC into taking Texas and let them keep the Longhorn Network is a bit funny. And if you note at the end it is suddenly Kansas that Texas would take with them instead of Texas Tech and that Kansas would be able to go without K-State.

These factors suggest to me at least that Texas is trying desperately to find some leverage. Trying to find away to keep their Longhorn Network while getting into a conference of some level of respectability. Without the Big 12, they are screwed. All the other conferences that would happily take them — Pac-12/14/16, SEC, Big 10 would not let them keep their Longhorn Network. Something Texas is apparently unwilling to yield upon.

The Baylor whine to save Texas football has gotten the backlash one would expect, give Baylor’s own part in bailing on the other SWC members. After rehashing the hypocrisy, Baylor gets beaten on for its product.

In the 15 years in which you were a doormat, Texas Tech built all kinds of new facilities and made itself nationally relevant. Oklahoma State built and spent and did great things. OU, Texas and Texas A&M all elevated their programs in terms of facilities and performance.

In the next wave of consolidation, those schools have made themselves attractive products. But Baylor has only recently gotten interesting on the field and begun to seriously plan for a new stadium. Unfortunately, the breakup of the Big 12 is upon us, and Baylor is about to see how they live on the other side of town. At least, Baylor will see some old friends there.

For instance, TCU. Baylor dumped TCU in the ditch, and then something remarkable happened. TCU started over and built a great program one brick at a time. Instead of suing people, TCU went to work. SMU also built a new stadium, and UH will break ground on one early next year. Baylor has some catching up to do no matter what conference it ends up in.

It’ll be fun for Baylor to catch up with Rice, UH and SMU and see how the last 15 years have gone. Don’t worry, Ken. They’ll be totally sympathetic to your plight. You should tell them how important it is to respect history and how awful it would be to tear these wonderful traditions and rivalries apart.

Baylor also was embarrassed by their own fanbase — with a little help from Texas A&M. Since Baylor is primarily responsible for holding up A&M’s move to the SEC, A&M took the unusual step of issuing a press release of how many tickets were returned from opposing visiting teams from their requested allotment. Guess who returned a lot?

Baylor, located less than 100 miles from the Texas A&M campus, sold a rather embarrassing 830 of 3,850 tickets provided according to the release. Texas was the only school to sell out its allotment.

By comparison, SMU sold 1,988 tickets for their game at Kyle Field on Sept. 4. This week’s opponent, Idaho, sold the fewest, with 264.

The full numbers are included in the release.

But what’s really going on here? Paul Myerberg at Pre-Snap Read dug into the issue in a blog post. It’s great stuff.

I give A&M kudos for that move. Left Baylor sputtering and complaining about the messenger.

And of course, Iowa State is still looking for some love. Any love.

Your whining read of the day — should unsurprisingly come from Orlando’s Mike Bianchi. Head cheerleader for UCF getting into a BCS conference. His whining isn’t today isn’t that the Big East is not interested in the Knights and their rich 30 year history media market, It’s about those bumpkin programs that are in the SEC  that should be booted in favor of UCF.

And this is the shame of the disgracefully inequitable BCS cartel: It is based on an affiliation of schools formed nearly a century ago – some of which have no business being in BCS leagues today. Do Mississippi, Mississippi State and Vanderbilt really belong in the SEC — the premier conference in the country? What do they really bring to the table? The same with Wake Forest in the ACC and Iowa State and Baylor in the Big 12.

You put UCF in the SEC and give the Knights all of that SEC money and TV exposure, and their football program would be better than Ole Miss’s and Vanderbilt’s within five years. Actually, their program is already better than Ole Miss’s and Vanderbilt’s.

If there is going to be super conferences, these conferences need to reshuffle the deck entirely, get rid of the old dead wood like Vandy and add new blood like UCF.

If conference expansion is supposed to be about TV markets and potential future revenue then why is Mississippi State in the SEC and UCF isn’t? UCF is the second biggest university in the country and the only Division I football program in the nation’s 19th-ranked TV market.

Keep trolling. Troll hard.

Speaking of trolling… The downside of Twitter is that people just retweet without looking first. There have been some wild, silly ones. A minor BYU fanboard Twitter account put something out there that BYU was ready to join the Big 12 as the 10th team conditioned on Oklahoma giving a written contract that they wouldn’t leave. It got buzzed about until someone realized the source and then came the adamant denials.

Just as bad, was this one:

[Joe] Lull describes himself on Twitter as a weekend sports talker on SportsRadio 92.3 The Fan in Cleveland and a self-proclaimed Ombudsman of Cleveland Sports Media. I’ve never heard of him, and I’m sure he’s never heard of me.

But this tweet set off the day’s events: “Just got tipped off by a source in Big Ten offices. Texan AND Notre Dame are involved in discussions to join the conference by 2014. No joke.”

It was pathetic and it made some rounds. It especially pissed me off, because I live in the area and I’ve never heard of the guy. At best, he’s been a small-timer in the area. But to put it further in context. He has a weekend shift on a station that went to sports talk 2 weeks ago. And yet he claims to have a source in the Big 10 offices that was aware of something that big ahead of everyone else. This is Danny Sheridan-Cam Newton bagman level of crap. Yet it got him the attention he wanted.

My feeling on the Big 10 is that they are sitting back and watching. They don’t need to act. They can wait, comfortable that they are in a position of strength and able to dictate terms. They aren’t going to cut special deals with Texas or Notre Dame because they don’t have to. And just as importantly, they know how the other conference members would react if they did. Besides, Wisconsin AD Barry Alvarez says nothing is happening.

“I wouldn’t want to be (Big 12 commissioner) Dan Beebe,” Alvarez said. “He’s been through a living hell the last year or so.”

Many assume that college football is moving toward a cluster of superconferences, each with at least 16 members. How does that impact the Big Ten, which added a 12th member in Nebraska for this season, but then issued a moratorium on expansion? Is commissioner Jim Delany and the Big Ten wise to stand pat?

“I don’t know if they will,” Alvarez said this week. “I don’t know if it’s going to go to 16.

“The last meeting we had, Jim stated that we have a moritorium on expansion. I haven’t heard anything different. No one else has done anything.

“I think our people are very excited about 12 (members) right now with a (football) championship (game) and everything else.”

Alvarez has been great for Big 10 stuff, because while he has never had details he never holds back on whether the conference is planning something. Last year, he was the only man from the Big 10 talking about the expansion by the Big 10. While the rest of the members and the conference itself stayed quiet and vaguely spoke of studying the issue, Alvarez kept popping off about the conference actively looking at teams and that they were going to 12. If he doesn’t know anything, then I am inclined to believe that the Big 10 is just focusing on integrating Nebraska at the moment.

Now you are caught up for at least 4 or 5 more hours.





lol Chas…4 or 5 hours, spot on. Great piece.

For some of the worry warts that have blogged their concerns that PITT might somehow be left out. I saw this on Yahoo’s NCAA page today. Their 5 or 6 college football writers/experts/pundits all composed their lists of who the 64 teams would be if
they go to the dreaded 4 conf. 16 team MEGA conferences.

REST EASY ! PITT is included in all of them

But some of the exclusions are quite interesting, Uconn was left OUT of several of the experts lists.
Check it out:

link to collegefootball.rivals.com

Hail to Pitt !

Comment by melvinbennett 09.14.11 @ 4:49 pm

Alvarez is now a TV star (45 second part on the final episode of “Entourage”) Life is good!

Comment by wbb 09.14.11 @ 4:56 pm

Chas, you are the man. mel, great video.

Sorta like the Civil War all over again.

Just passed by the Mason Dixon line the other day. WTF, why not use that?

Comment by steve 09.14.11 @ 6:01 pm

Hypothetical only, for amusement purposes only.
Here is your fill in the blanks list, to make it easier. I have filled in what a lot of people seem to think will happen with the Pac12 and SEC for now, just to make it easier, to see what Pitt will be coming down too.

I also put ND in the Big Ten. I know, I know all about the indy thing. However, if they would go to 4 conf. of 16, and Notre Dame spurned the conferences, esp. the Big Ten, how willing would they be, to include in the bowls, or some form of playoff, the “and Notre Dame consideration if they are 8-4 or better” thing. What, just for one bowl game for their fan following??? When they might have a playoff that would be second only to the Super Bowl in interest???

Could be the thing that sends ND to the Big Ten.

Again, just for fun, don’t nit pic me, many reason for and against one team going to one conference or not another. Gives you the sense though, that Pitt has to be on top of this, to make sure. Anyhow…………

Pac 16…………………SEC………..

13. Oklahoma…………..13. Texas A&M
14. Ok. State………….14. Missouri
15. Texas Tech…………15.
16. Texas……………..16.

Big Ten………………..ACC………..

13. Notre Dame………….13…………
14. …………………..14…………
15. …………………..15…………
16. …………………..16…………

As you can see, in this scenario, there are only
9 spots left, for loosely, this group of teams.

1. Pitt 2. Syracuse 3. UCONN 4. WVU

5. Louisville 6. TCU 7. Rutgers 8. UCF

9. Kansas 10. Kansas St.

There would also be this group of teams, out in the ether, but, with tv networks, backroom shennanigans, deals being cut, or we’ll come if they can come things, they have to be thought of, but only an afterthought.

USF, E. Car., Houston, Cincy, Iowa St. Baylor,

BYU, Boise St.

I would think Pitt’s chances would be very good, but, Nordy must be on top of things, and keeping lines of communication open if this were to ever happen.

Comment by DAN 09.14.11 @ 6:13 pm

Quick what if, imagine, for kicks sake.

Kansas and Kansas St to the Big Ten, but they want Iowa St. to come also as part of the deal, besides it would give Iowa two teams, like a lot of the Big Ten states have.

Then imagine, UCONN, WVU, Rutgers and Syracuse had some sort of deal worked out with the ACC.

Suddenly there are only two spots left, and in the SEC, good luck with that.

So again, not worth losing sleep over, I would think Pitt would be ok, but, slam dunk?????????

Comment by DAN 09.14.11 @ 6:17 pm

I am not sure if i care abought big 12 or the SEC anymore if they dont break up bye the end of sept i think we should add teams to big east with out them . We could take UCF first then call big 12 and say now there are only 2 spots left if you are comeing come on becuse if you dont we will add Houston next in say 30 days. if that does not make them come to bad i say play hard ball let them know there is no soft landing spot if they keep puting things off make them play bye our time line after all there our only so many spots for them to go to.

Comment by FRANKCAN 09.14.11 @ 6:34 pm

The TX to the ACC rumor is what scares me the most, because then I think the ACC is done as a possibility for Pitt. The Big Ten by most accounts isn’t going to happen. Then Pitt is stuck with whatever is left, trying to put together a Big East that could be without its best football program (WVU if it goes to the SEC).

All of this is rumor obviously but I don’t think it is a slam dunk that Pitt gets somewhere good. Biggest problem is if conferences go to just 14 instead of 16. Then Pitt is really screwed.

Would still love to see Pitt and some of the other BE schools be proactive and go after Oklahoma and Oklahoma State (with the incentive of a new TV contract). They would be big time anchors for the football side, and if you bring in Kansas, Kansas State, TCU, and two others (Missouri if possible, Houston, UCF, Baylor), you are looking at a great football AND basketball conference.

West – Oklahoma, OSU, Kansas, Kansas St, TCU, Missouri, two more(Houston, Baylor, ISU)

East – Pitt, WVU, Rutgers, UConn, Syracuse, Cinci, Louisville, USF

I know it’s a pipe dream, but it makes sense to me. Oklahoma might like being the top dog in football and perhaps could swing a better TV deal.

Comment by Mac 09.14.11 @ 7:28 pm

Hey Mac, they’re all pipe dreams, who knows where this ends up, and who knows what to believe.

Like last year, all you heard about was Rutgers to the Big 10, Big 10 wants in the New York City market, they want in the Big Apple and on and on and on and on….

Didn’t take them, and if they were that worried about being in the NYC market as one of their top concerns, Rutgers would be in there allready.

You can mix and match like garanimals, but, eventually, only gonna be so many slots.

Good point on the 14, they all go to 14, we’re back into the same old, “some sort of conglomerate” whatever you want to call it Big East.

Comment by Dan 09.14.11 @ 7:42 pm

Frank, that’s a good idea, really, and I like the Big East being proactive, but, in reality, everyones gonna have to see what Oklahoma does.

A&M done deal. Okie, next wait and see, allthough it sounds like they want to get out.

I mean, who wouldn’t?? If they stay this year, who knows when Texas decides to do something else, or Kansas or Missouri want it.

Just not a stable situation down at the Big 12.

Comment by Dan 09.14.11 @ 7:46 pm

Why 64? There are 120 teams why not 6 divisions of 20
or 96 with 4 division 2 play in teams or let’s not guess and just follow the money!!!!

Comment by Tackle made by Hugh 09.14.11 @ 7:54 pm

it also could be 4 leagues of 12 — 16 team leagues just seem to be the one that has received the most speculation but there is not one person on the planet who knows for aure

Comment by wbb 09.14.11 @ 8:01 pm

Dan that is my point i dont care abought oklahoma or big 12 . I want big east to go to 12 in football and if that means Houston or UCF so be it. i say we play hard ball you tell th teams in big 12 come now or we take some one else. you are falling apart so come now or forget it why make it easy for them some of them have no were to go if we fill are slots so make them jump or be left behind . why should we wait if they see we meam to move on with out them they will come were else can iowa st go or baylor or kansas st no were .

Comment by FRANKCAN 09.14.11 @ 8:24 pm

Let be blunt why are we f ing with there teams. You call up the 5 teams in big 12 that have no were to go you say look the big 12 is falling apart you say the ACC wont take you the Big Ten wont take you we have 3 slots there are 5 of you the first 3 that have there paper work to the big east office get to come in . You outher 2 to bad and in two weeks we bring in UCF and then there wil only be 2 spots and 2 weeks latter we bring in Houston so move your ass i say we stop kssing there ass we are in the drivers seat we just need to wake up . 3 of thoes 5 have no were else to go and the outher 2 have a maybe place just maybe nothing in stone i say we put the screws to them.

Comment by FRANKCAN 09.14.11 @ 9:11 pm

If the ACC takes Texas I would be very surprised. That is not going to happen. Texas is the main culprit for this current mess. They are headed to becoming an independent whether they want it or not. Actually Texas declaring their independence would probably save the Big Twelve. It will not happen though.

The Big East needs to absorb the best of the Big Twelve that remains. That means Kansas, Kansas State, and one other. Missouri or Texas Tech would be great. Iowa State would be OK. Other than UCF I do not think any other team would be as desirable. UCF is going to become a better team than USF in the coming two decades. If the Big East gets to twelve football teams in this manner, they will survive. Over time the split of the twelve football schools from the basketball schools is inevitable.

Comment by John In South Carolina 09.14.11 @ 10:12 pm

“UCF is going to become a better team than USF in the coming two decades”. That is hysterical. We have a prognosticator who can predict events 20 years in the future. Shite, The B12 can’t even predict who will be in their conference tomorrow. Isn’t it wonderful to have someone posting who has such amazing clairvoyance, especially when all evidence indicates the opposite.

Comment by Billreef 09.14.11 @ 10:19 pm

@Dano,

Come on man. The Big 10 would never take KU, K-State and ISU. Remember they turned down a school with much better football/basketball combo.
That being Mizzou.
I didn’t think you were one of the worry warts.

Pitt is head & shoulders above the 3 mentioned above and certainly would get an invite to the Big 10 ahead of these 3.

Comment by melvinbennett 09.15.11 @ 1:37 am

As the experts from Yahoo said: K-State and Iowa State are in no-wheres ville and most of them had those two on the outside looking in. Only saving grace for KU is basketball, but that doesn’t pay the bills. Sorry Jayhawks. Duke & Vandy on are that list as well.

Comment by melvinbennett 09.15.11 @ 1:41 am

I mean seriously what do K-State and Iowa State even add to the BigEast for football(and that’s what this is ALL about)? And in that regard, what does KU add? We already have plenty of great BBall programs.

Comment by melvinbennett 09.15.11 @ 1:47 am

I’m certainly not going to plan a trip to Pittsburgh to watch PITT play Iowa State, K-State or Kansas. If I happen to be in the Burg, I might go, but other than that……big deal.

Comment by melvinbennett 09.15.11 @ 1:50 am

The thing that drives college football now is the BCS. Why would a team in a conference with an automaitc bid jump? Moreover, wouldn’t the remaining members of a conference with an automaitc bid work to maintain their own bid rather than join another conference and try to move in on their gravy train?

As I see it, the BigXII survives with an automatic bid no matter how may teams it hemmorrages in the next year or two. Why leave to try and win the Big East’s bid when you still have your own, and your only new competition is likely Boise State, BYU, TCU and SMU?

Comment by Patrick 09.15.11 @ 1:54 am

So sick and tired of everything revolving around Texas. They have become my new Notre Dame. Don’t fly too close to the sun, Icarus.

Comment by Cool Hand Nuke 09.15.11 @ 3:59 am

My computers freeze when I go to the Pitt Script site. Anyone else having the problem?

Comment by gc 09.15.11 @ 6:52 am

Pitt Script site=crashed browser.

Comment by Dr. Tom 09.15.11 @ 7:24 am

Ditto here…Pitt Script is infected.

Comment by isnore 09.15.11 @ 8:08 am

Yea, I had problem with Pitt Script over the weekend (twice) and haven’t returned since

Comment by wbb 09.15.11 @ 8:13 am

Cool Hand, Frankcam, Patrick, and many others..

Quit fretting over each new article that you read about what teams are going where. Learn the lessons from the Big 10 expansion where the scenario of adding only Nebraska didn’t come up until the very end … before then it was all about some combo of ND, Missouri, Rutgers, texas, UConn and Pitt (nebraska wasn’t even mentioned until right before the announcement)

You’ll drive yourself nuts if you take evry article to heart!

Comment by wbb 09.15.11 @ 8:26 am

Mel, I agree, just throwing things out there that could happen. Anything could happen. Who knows?

If the 4 BE teams went to ACC, then pickens become slim for the Big 10. Only so many teams left for them.

Suddenly Kansas and Kansas St. don’t look so bad, major state universities, with awesome hoops.
Then they say, how about Iowa St, the governor of Iowa is an Iowa St guy, and he’s best friends with Delaney the Big 10 commish. That would make a good “west” division with Nebraska, Minn, etc. etc. All hypothetical.

My points are two, just wanted some people to see how many slots will be available, for those that don’t follow this as closely as many of us.

And, Nordy and Steve have to stay in the ball game!!

Just can’t sit back, and assume, because Ditka, Dorsett and Marino played at Pitt, some conference will take us.

I’m going to get my coffee brother, no, no Baileys in it, working!! ha ha Hopefully we’ll have that during the holidays when I visit my sis!!

Comment by DAN 09.15.11 @ 9:45 am

Hey guys, like I mentioned to Mel, who knows, we just don’t want to be sitting here two or three years from now, yelling and screaming with each other,

“how the &*#$ could the ACC take Louisville for their last spot instead of Pitt?”

“the Big 10 took TCU for their last spot, what the *#@$!!!!!” Maybe they wanted in the Texas recruitng area with their last pick??

Anyhow, no big deal, pumped for Iowa, and if we’re this involved with keeping up on realignment I’m sure Nordy is too!!

Comment by DAN 09.15.11 @ 9:50 am

I think the Big east should make a move for Texas and the balance of the Big 12. I think the Northeat markets would love to see Texas in their back yard on a regular basis. Work out a deal everyone can live with and let texas have their longhorn network.

My new “Big East” Super Conference

Big East “West Division” TCU, Texas, Tex Tech, Baylor, Louisville, Kansas, Kanas St and Missouri

Big East “East Division” Uconn, Syracuse, Pitt, Rutgers, Cinn, WVU, South Florida

15 teams, offer ND one last time, then go get someone else if they decline

Comment by vspanther 09.15.11 @ 10:10 am

I try to get to the Burgh 5-6 times a year because my immediate family members are all still in the area. I always try to plan half of those trips around Pitt football, and to be honest, it doesn’t really matter to me who they are playing. I just want to watch the Panthers play and hopefully see them win.

Would I like to see better teams? Sure. Would I like to be in a more respected conference? Sure. Would I stop going to Pitt games if neither happened. NEVER! That falls into the definition of a bandwagon fan to me.

Also, there’s another side to this argument that hasn’t been discussed. What happens if Pitt does get into a mega-conference, and in our wildest dreams, one of the best? First off, expect ticket prices to go up significantly. Look at the price of ND tickets versus the other games. It’s more than double the price. Second, what if in that one-of-the-best conferences, Pitt starts getting their butts kicked at home on a regular basis? (I still remember how sick I felt while exiting the WVU game last year.) Higher ticket prices + ugly losses = no bandwagon fans, and even more empty seats.

Not trying to be a big downer here. Just presenting another side of the coin.

Of course my hope is that we get better competition in whatever conference Pitt lands in, and that the program rises to the level of competition and makes us all proud. But, I’ll continue to put my money where my mouth is regardless.

Just trying to look at another side of the argument that we should only settle for the best of the best prospective opponents, and nothing less. Nothing says it will work exactly how we want it. And, even in the glory days, we had some crappy teams on our schedules.

And don’t throw that “settle for mediocrity” crap at me. I want Pitt football to be as respected as it once was, and where Pitt basketball is now, as much as anyone on here. But I can point to many programs that have risen to national respectability despite their conferences. I think Pitt can do the same, even in the crappy Big East. And, even the mighty SEC has its share of marginal football programs.

Comment by TampaT 09.15.11 @ 11:05 am

Well put Tampa!

Comment by DAN 09.15.11 @ 1:14 pm

Back when the Big East added Pitt, they made a terrible mistake by not offering membership to Penn State. They figured that adding Pitt would keep the schools with football, Syracuse and Boston College in the fold, and they didn’t want Penn State basketball. It was short sighted to say the least. As it stands now, I believe it’s only a matter of time before there is a split between the football and the basketball only schools.

Comment by Justinian 09.15.11 @ 7:19 pm

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