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March 21, 2018

Hurley Watch: Day 3?

Filed under: Basketball,Hire/Fire,Money — Chas @ 7:22 am

That’s it? This is technically the third day of the watch for what the top target in the coaching search does. Seems like it’s been much longer.

Dan Hurley (hopefully) is expected to decide today between Pitt, UConn or staying at URI.

I don’t know what he will do. People in the know suggest leanings, but they clearly aren’t sure.

The money Pitt offered is big.

Various reports have contradicted Hurley’s timeline on choosing one school or another, but this one seems to be inching toward the finish line. According to USA Today’s annual database of college basketball coaching salaries, Hurley making more than $3 million a season at Pitt would slot him in among the top 15 coaches in the country, and perhaps even in the top 10. He would be in the upper tier of earners in the ACC, along with Duke’s Mike Krzyzewski — the highest-paid coach in the sport at nearly $9 million a year — and Virginia’s Tony Bennett ($3 million).

It’s unclear what Kevin Stallings’ salary was in his two years here, but Pitt may have to pay him more than $9 million for firing him. Jamie Dixon earned $2.48 million in the 2015-16 fiscal year, his last as Pitt’s coach, according to tax documents released last May.

I want to remind people that salary is different from total compensation. Pitt’s offer to Hurley is simply the salary portion. Bonuses, outside compensation (shoe contract), perks, and various other items that go into total compensation are different.

I liked this column from long-time Providence Journal and Big East beat writer and columnist, Kevin McNamara on Hurley’s choices.

You also know the limitations at URI, many of which clearly drive you crazy and aren’t going away soon. In many ways you have elevated the program, pushed Rhody to its financial limits and maybe maxed out what can be achieved in Kingston. Outside of athletic director Thorr Bjorn throwing in a free summer rental in Matunuck, there’s not a whole lot more the Rams can do for you.

Neither of your options is a home run. Pittsburgh is reportedly offering $3 million a year. That’s what football money can do but this isn’t Jamie Dixon’s Pitt. Now in the loaded ACC, you’ll be fighting to land a spot in the NCAAs. Who knows what happens when old lions Mike Krzyzewski, Roy Williams and Jim Boeheim dribble off to retirement, but it’s clear nothing will come easily for the next Panthers hoop boss.

Now a $20 million pay package at Pitt (over seven years) will be at least $8 million more than what URI could ever offer. That’s a small fortune to leave on the table but if you decide to bolt it’s understandable why it seems you and your family would be a better fit in Connecticut where your parents can still drive from New Jersey and watch you work.

The UConn program has fallen into disrepair. Kevin Ollie has recruited poorly and the Huskies have suffered a significant drop-off in fan appeal since switching to the American Athletic Conference. That can quickly change, however, with someone like you calling the shots. If you text the top hotshots in New York and New Jersey now, most are never getting back to you. At UConn, your cell will be on fire.

Ollie was ushered out of his alma mater — a school he led to the 2014 national title — by athletic director David Benedict “with cause.” That’s legalese for “we think you’ve cheated, plus we don’t want to pay you your $10 million.” This would concern me, especially if Ollie’s brushes with NCAA rules are minor and his boss simply wants to weasel out of a bad contract.

You have one other scenario to ponder. Your teams will keep winning at Rhode Island. You could have offers as soon as next week (Louisville perhaps?) and surely by next year that are much more attractive than UConn or Pittsburgh. But if UConn can pay $2.5 million over seven years, that’s about $7 million more than you could earn at URI. That’s another not-so-small fortune.

That last bit is the thing that could keep Hurley at Rhode Island. Going the Archie Miller route of staying at the mid-major program that is humming and waiting for an even better job to open in the next year or two. Miller, the younger, flat out rejected Alabama, GT and others after the 2015-16 season. Stayed another year. Kept winning, and then the Indiana job was right there for him — which he happily took over his alma mater of NC State.

That’s part of why I don’t think this decision for Hurley is simply a binary, Pitt or UConn. Dan Hurley doesn’t do nomadic.

He stayed nine years in Jersey coaching high school basketball. While his stint at Wagner was only two years, he’s been at URI for six years. He is unlikely to bolt from a program after only a couple years (which is also something that makes him attractive to both Pitt and UConn, I’d imagine).

UConn could still come out on top. It is not a rebuilding job, so much as a retooling job. Recruiting New York and New Jersey — and the rest of the New England states — would be much easier for Hurley given the location and his history. The competition isn’t as steep in the AAC. And the Big East has shown that you can still win big in hoops without football money.

I was rather clear, I hope, yesterday that Pitt going hard for Hurley is a good thing. And while, from a negotiating standpoint, I’m sure Pitt isn’t wild about the salary they offered Hurley being leaked; I think it does more good then harm.

Does it commit Pitt to offering that much money to someone else if Hurley says no? No, but it might drive up the price artificially for a guy like Buffalo’s Nate Oats, should he or anyone else become Pitt’s next target.

Still, that’s a small price to pay to prove to observers, as well as prospective coaches, that you’re serious about rebuilding a basketball program that has completely cratered over the last two seasons. If coaching candidates see what Pitt offered Hurley, it’s likely they’ll take the program more seriously than they would if Pitt was only making overtures to more obscure names, and for less money.

Pitt’s home run offer may not land them Dan Hurley. The Panthers might find themselves staring at the drawing board in the very near future. But at least they’ve given a clear signal that they’re taking this coaching search seriously. At least they made a real offer, one that will be tough for UConn to match.

After the events of the last few weeks, the Panthers at least trying to play ball like one of the big boys counts as a victory, even if it’s only in principle.

Of course, if you are a glass half-empty person. Well, then you are Ron Cook. And you have to live with siding with him.





I saw the Ron Cook article this AM. That prick should be locked in a trunk until this search is over. He is consistantly Anti-Pitt and every once in a while throws a fake Pro-Pitt article in so he doesn’t get fired.

Comment by The Hagen 03.21.18 @ 7:45 am

Yeah the idiots in the Pittsburgh sports media have done all they can do to help sabotage Pitts coaching search. Maddens article in the Trib is titled “Is there a worse job than coaching Pitt basketball”. I think the coaches are well aware of the situation here as are the fans. Do we need a new bashing article every 12 hours.

Comment by Coach Ditka 03.21.18 @ 8:46 am

Wonder if the Spring Snow storm will delay any announcement due to issues having the candidate fly in to attend a presser…if so IMO may be Monday before anything breaks as not sure Pitt wants to make an announcement during active NCAA tourney play days…

Comment by Tommymac 03.21.18 @ 9:29 am

Cook and Madden have nothing of value to offer other than negativity. A little introspection and objectivity on their part might lead them to see themselves as others see them. Their predictable negativity and prejudice should be of concern to their employers. Whatever happened to honesty and objectivity?

Comment by Shiloh 03.21.18 @ 9:34 am

Pitt made a big offer, but I just think there are just too many things, other than the money, that appeal to Dan Hurley about the UConn job. I wonder who the Plan B guy is?

Comment by Justinian 03.21.18 @ 9:46 am

Look a how dramatically things have changed over the last two years. Pitt had beaten Syracuse for the 3rd time and was in the NCAA Tournament. From that team Pitt had Michael Young, Jamel Artis, Shelden Jeeter and Cam Johnson returning for the following year. I fully expected that team to also make it to the NCAA Tournament.

Comment by Justinian 03.21.18 @ 9:54 am

I would hope if they didn’t have a plan B after yesterday once their cards were shown they better have it ASAP. I think from a PR standpoint losing plan A is ok but if it goes to plan B and things get public and it doesn’t happen again then it is a huge credibility hit. Though maybe we can end up lucky like Oregon 5 or so years ago and end up with a very good plan D.

Comment by The Ghost of Billy Gaines 03.21.18 @ 9:55 am

It’s a realistic possibility but the further we go into alphabet soup, the worse it gets. Most pundits have speculated that the Pitt job is still potentially desirable, even with it’s obvious flaws at the moment, but it starts getting dicey (and downright embarrassing) if they go through 4 or 5 offers and get no takers. I’m suppressed Millers name KEEPS coming up. The smart money has been squarely on the side of “it will never work/happen” but everyday, someone drags something up about his people reaching out to Pitt people and him being interested. It’s the interent –
there are still people convinced the earth is flat – but does anyone think there’s a chance that Pitt could end up BACKING into Miller because there’s just no where else to go?

We’ve all hear the reasons why he won’t leave, and why Pitt shouldn’t want him, and I agree with most of that logic, but he is a guy that Pitt could weave a story around. Lyke has a compliance background, and the flip side of that is that she knows where the bodies are buried and how the system works – if ever there was someone who could exploit that system in Pitt’s favor, it’s probably her. If Pitt got backed so far into a corner that it got desperate…. could it happen?

I don’t know. Just thinking out loud. It’s either this or strippers 🙂

Comment by 55 03.21.18 @ 10:10 am

Hurley could be announcing he will stay at Rhode Island expecting Pitt to turn their attention to Willard opening Seton Hall’s job. Then he goes to his alma mater and is close to home.

Comment by Spindler's Spirit 03.21.18 @ 10:30 am

@ 55 why not both…strippers go with everything lol.

Comment by Tommymac 03.21.18 @ 10:52 am

The Hagen +100. As I have posted elsewhere, the Pittsburgh media should be absolutely ashamed at how they have reported on this. Total bush league. I have not read Ron Cook in years…what is the point? Adding Madden now too because of his article.

Comment by DD 03.21.18 @ 11:53 am

My argument regarding the ACC being a more difficult conference is that the ACC annually puts in 7-11 teams in the tournament. While it’s harder to compete there is more opportunity to actually get into the tournament.

Comment by Tossing Thabeets 03.21.18 @ 11:57 am

Tossing, I agree. It certainly didn’t hurt the Panthers when they were competing with UConn, Syracuse, and company in the Big East. Look at Syracuse now, the last ACC team in the tournament and they’re in the Sweet 16.

Comment by Justinian 03.21.18 @ 12:19 pm

Well the report is that Pitt has at the very least discussed the job with Sean Miller and he has interest. Not sure when they talked… before or after Hurley’s offer??? If after, then the signs point to Hurley going to Uconn and Pitt going to plan B.

Comment by Coach Ditka 03.21.18 @ 12:20 pm

It been confirmed that Lyke & Miller have discussed opening

link to bleacherreport.com

Comment by Neil 03.21.18 @ 12:41 pm

via C. Meyer @P-G

Comment by Neil 03.21.18 @ 12:43 pm

At this point I’m not sure Miller isn’t a bad place to end up. I was really against him at first but if Hurley declined and it looks like a strong possibility that he will… the options left on the table are pretty risky. Miller is at least a proven winning coach at a big time program and maybe he will have some sense of loyalty to stay with Pitt since we bailed him out. Who knows.

Comment by Coach Ditka 03.21.18 @ 12:51 pm

Comment by xfmrman 03.21.18 @ 1:07 pm

Lyke’s compliance & legal background should suffice in assessing the risk in a Miller hiring. The fact that both parties are on record in discussing the potential and interests is promising in its own right.
I’d take Miller in a heart-beat over ANY candidate mentioned be it Thad or Danny. A Sean Miller hire would have an immediate impact in a year’s time.

Comment by Neil 03.21.18 @ 1:10 pm

xfmrman:

Ouch!

From #APlayersProgram head coach Sean Miller:

“I am not a candidate for the University of Pittsburgh men’s basketball head coaching vacancy. I wish them well in their search for a new coach.”
1:47 PM · Mar 21, 2018 from Tucson, A

Comment by Neil 03.21.18 @ 1:13 pm

RMU ops guy and former Pitt PG, Tray Woodall, retweeted this:
link to twitter.com

Yes, Bob Hurley says he likes being able to go to RIU games (and I am sure he the same would be said for UConn), but with Woodall, Narduzzi and the general backdrop of our fair city from last weekend, I must believe it has to be hard to say “no” to Pitt.

Comment by xfmrman 03.21.18 @ 1:27 pm

“I did not have sexual relations with that woman.”

But what happens when someone finds one of your sweaty shirts around campus? Somewhere around the athletic department offices? Stained with the ink from the pen used to write a $100,000 check to Ayton. What then, Sean? 🙂 🙂 🙂

Well… I didn’t think it was a good idea, and I still don’t think it’s a good idea, but his name just kept popping up. Notice how he didn’t say he hadn’t talked with Pitt about the opening – just that he’s not a candidate. Wonder what that conversation actually was.

It was nice of him to wish Pitt well in it’s search. I wish him well with his FBI investigation.

I’m starting to get punchy. I need to just forget about this and remind myself that this whole thing is far more likely to end with a whimper than a ‘bang’.

Comment by 55 03.21.18 @ 1:43 pm

It does not bode well for the confidence in a university athletic program when a high level coach is offered a job and he takes this long to make a decision. Its not a good indicator of a solid commitment. If Hurley was offered the job he should have taken it asap and not wait this long to accept. The man knew he was a candidate for the UConn and Pitt job over a week ago.

Comment by Pitt Dreamer 03.21.18 @ 1:57 pm

Louisville just fired Padgett. Another opening better than Pitt.

Comment by Dan 72 03.21.18 @ 2:03 pm

Well if Hurley takes the UConn job, which I believe he will and Sean Miller isn’t a candidate, then who else are they considering? That the three million dollar question.

Comment by Justinian 03.21.18 @ 2:24 pm

Well if Hurley takes the UConn job, which I believe he will and Sean Miller isn’t a candidate, then who else are they considering? That’s the three million dollar question.

Comment by Justinian 03.21.18 @ 2:25 pm

Lets please understand the wording of Miller’s comment and translate. The translation is:

“We talked. Pitt asked if I could 100% with certainly say I was clean. I could not. Pitt then decided to not consider me a candidate.”

Comment by DD 03.21.18 @ 2:35 pm

Just so its on record I believe we end up with Mark Schmidt from the Bonnies. I want Hurley or maybe Oats but Schmidt just seems like the kind of coach Pitt will end up with. Any thoughts on him?

Comment by PittPanFan 03.21.18 @ 2:56 pm

DD – Give that man a cigar 😉

Comment by 55 03.21.18 @ 3:00 pm

PittPanFan I have no inside info or anything but I completely agree with you. It is probably because he is the safe plan D option. I think he is solid but obviously not the splash hire that everyone pines for on these message boards. I’m just afraid the Hurley level coaches of the world can get themselves in better situations and don’t want to take on the challenge that Pitt presents.

Comment by The Ghost of Billy Gaines 03.21.18 @ 3:10 pm

Schmidt would be such an epically bad hire. Only 4/17 years with 20 wins. It took him 5 years to do it as a Bonnie. Granted last 3 years account for 3/4 20 win seasons but he’s overrated. You need recruiting HC’s in the ACC not solid coaches. You don’t spend $10M to buyout Stallings and hire someone like Schmidt.

Comment by Tossing Thabeets 03.21.18 @ 3:27 pm

PittPanFan – I think he’s cheap. No doubt this will appeal to some in the administration. Based on what I know about him he’s a middling coach at best – not good, not horrible, and not much in terms notable career achievement other than he tops some Forbes list of “value” coaches.. Gets to the NIT or the NCAA every now and then in a “High Major” conference. He was turd at Robert Morris, and I have no confidence he’ll be able to attract the kind of talent needed to make Pitt competitive in the ACC year in and year out. Others here may like him – I’d have rather gutted out Stallings for another year or two and tried to get a better situation. It will take him 2-3 years just to figure out what he’s gotten into in the ACC – after that, who knows.

Comment by 55 03.21.18 @ 3:38 pm

Guys, I still see hopes for the Hurleys and Musslemans of the world on here. Those aren’t happening. It’s going to be someone way down the line. I’ve been preaching this. A disappointment? Yes. But we have to understand Pitt’s place in the college basketball world. Schmidt seems more realistic. Huge disappointment? Yes. Worth trying second rebuild over. No.

Comment by Pitt of Glory 03.21.18 @ 3:43 pm

Hire Padgett as plan D

Comment by PantherInCT 03.21.18 @ 3:48 pm

If you are going to look at Schmidt, Grant etc. why not take a look at Pat Skerry HC Towson. Great recruiter, very good x’s and o’s Coach and has a history at Pitt under Jamie.

He would at least hit the ground running and would kno his way around the lockeroom.

Comment by Dan 72 03.21.18 @ 3:49 pm

Here’s an article about Sean Miller posted this afternoon form SB Nation.

link to sbnation.com

Comment by Justinian 03.21.18 @ 3:54 pm

I just know how this ends…the fans get fired up for the top 3 guys on a list and Pitt maybe makes a credible attempt toward 1 and they don’t get him. Pitt then ends up with someone not on any one of the same lists that are thrown around at every coach opening and Pitt fans are disappointed. Just remember a month ago people probably would have said a warm body is better then the current situation and now all of sudden people want the next Coach K or else they will be pissed.

Comment by The Ghost of Billy Gaines 03.21.18 @ 3:54 pm

Maybe some of the up and coming women’s coaches want to take a crack at the men’s game?

H2P!!!

Comment by Pitt Dad 03.21.18 @ 3:55 pm

Billy Gaines I said the same thing on twitter yesterday it just reminds me of when Stallings was hired everyone had to wiki his name quick because nobody knew who he was.

Comment by PittPanFan 03.21.18 @ 4:02 pm

At the moment, it doesn’t look good.

Comment by Justinian 03.21.18 @ 4:14 pm

Let’s just give Brandin Knight a 10 year contract and let him grow into the role with a salary and incentives that increase each year.

H2P!!!

Comment by Pitt Dad 03.21.18 @ 4:28 pm

Well no news is bad news at this point. The offer has been out there now so my guess is that Hurley is trying to leverage Pitts offer to get a sweeter deal from Uconn. Surely Pitt gave him some type of deadline to decide.

Comment by Coach Ditka 03.21.18 @ 5:46 pm

Hat’s off to HL, she stepped up to the plate and took her best shot! If Hurley doesn’t accept he’s stupid and not what we want. Money, facilities, ACC, everything in front of you, which is why I believe he’ll be our next HC. Congratulations Heather! H2P!

Comment by PTG 03.21.18 @ 6:29 pm

New name. Mike Hopkins in the mix or Plan B.

link to pittsburghsportsnow.com

Comment by Justinian 03.21.18 @ 7:49 pm

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One name that has started to surface a little bit for Pittsburgh, if Dan Hurley chooses UConn, is Washington’s Mike Hopkins. Strong northeast ties, especially in the prep school ranks. Was Pac-12 COY and was with Syracuse in ACC.

Comment by Justinian 03.21.18 @ 7:53 pm

I guess the Kevin Willard rumors have fizzled.

Comment by Special K 03.21.18 @ 7:59 pm

Mike Hopkins, while not the sexy hire, would be better than the hiring of Stallings two years ago. Hopkins isn’t on the hot seat at Washington and Pitt wouldn’t be his golden parachute. It would almost be a lateral move for Hopkins, but one that gets him closer to his roots (even though he is actually from California), and a pay raise. Or this could all be a plow from his agent to get Washington to up his pay. Right now it’s around $2 million per.

Comment by Ben F. 03.21.18 @ 8:21 pm

I prefer Hopkins to Hurley.

Comment by HbgFrank 03.21.18 @ 8:45 pm

Hopkins was chief recruiter at Syracuse and his wife Tricia is from Central New York – vital because Southern and West Coast women think that we live above the Arctic Circle.

Unfortunately, he just took the WU job last March so he would need a lot of incentive to leave so soon.

Comment by 2$Chuck 03.21.18 @ 8:46 pm

2$Chuck, good point about southern and west coast women and although funny, it’s very true.

Comment by Justinian 03.21.18 @ 8:51 pm

According to the PSN link above, Hopkins buyout is only $2M if he leaves after year one.

Comment by HbgFrank 03.21.18 @ 8:54 pm

Please, not Hopkins.
It was bad enough through the last couple of years of Dixon and the Stalling years watching Pitt’s lousy defense and weak attempts at a zone.
I don’t think I could stomach watching a 2-3 zone as a team’s base D.

Comment by xfmrman 03.21.18 @ 10:58 pm

And don’t try to tell me that Hopkins was not involved in all of Boehiem’s shenanigans.

Comment by xfmrman 03.21.18 @ 11:01 pm

Once Miller and Hurly both don’t happen it’s time to break out the torches and pitch forks folks-this is looking like Pederson version 2.0 all over again.

Comment by John 03.22.18 @ 5:46 am

Pittsburgh Sports Now reports that Hurley to accept the UConn job. So with Hurley and Miller out of the picture it’s time to hit the reset button.

Comment by Justinian 03.22.18 @ 6:22 am

We were never getting either Hurley or Miller, period. Hopefully Lyke saw that weeks ago.

Comment by DD 03.22.18 @ 7:21 am

What is the “reset button”? Does that imply starting the search all over again? Shouldn’t Lyke have sent out feelers even before firing Stallings? I would be relatively happy with Oats, Musselman, or Hopkins, and even That Matta, if any of them is the eventual coach.

Comment by Ben F. 03.22.18 @ 7:25 am

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