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November 20, 2017

9:30 pm, ESPN3– It’s WatchESPN.

I’m not sure I’m emotionally ready for this.

This past Saturday was rough enough. And for all the the supposed acceptance of Pitt not being anything close to a good basketball team this year. For already seeing them lose to a team coached by Ed DeChellis. For losing to Montana, while this other team won by 13. And now to be a 10 point underdog to Penn State?

You’re asking a lot of me.

(Un)Luckily I can’t watch tonight. Work thing that goes very late will keep from seeing this one. Barely had time to push this out.

The good news for the rest of my family is it means no being awoken around 11pm when I scream incoherently at the TV.





96 comments

Luther with mental mistake.

Comment by alcofan 11.21.17 @ 5:27 pm

They will find a way to lose all season.

Comment by Jackagain 11.21.17 @ 5:32 pm

Good game coach, take em to Peter Lugars for dinner.

Comment by alcofan 11.21.17 @ 5:34 pm

So, now comments are cut off at 75?

Comment by xfmrman 11.21.17 @ 5:50 pm

Pretty pathetic outlook for Pitt men’s BB. No D, no rebounding – wait that is similar to last year’s team.

I thought by turning over the roster, KS would show us a different kind of BB.

Same coach, same bad results.

Thanks Barney, Sir Patrick G and the BoT.

Pitt is now a soccer school – lol.

Comment by Erie Express 11.22.17 @ 8:50 am

The women’s BB team is 4-1 after beating Cinci.

On to FB with the miami game.

I have a feeling miami is in for a tough game. Why not 13-9?

A lot of similarities…

Comment by Erie Express 11.22.17 @ 8:54 am

The rebounding is a big part of Pitt’s issues right now and there is not a quick fix. Big men generally take longer to develop. Even highly ranked ones. Pitt is starting kids who probably shouldn’t be starting for 2 or 3 years and an undersized Luther. Yesterday’s game is encouraging. They needed that after the PSU loss but when TO’s are basically a wash and you shoot 15% points higher, you should not lose. That is a very telling sign that this team’s deficiency is a fatal flaw. I don’t know how you fix it with this group.

Comment by Tossing Thabeets 11.22.17 @ 9:21 am

TT – does KS even teach boxing out or is it all motion offense?

Pitt fans should not have to wait 2 or 3 years.

Comment by Erie Express 11.22.17 @ 9:46 am

Senior transfer Boykins needs to help out more. Anyone know why we didn’t sign Troy Simmons? He seems to be what we need but now doing it at New Mexico.

Comment by alcofan 11.22.17 @ 10:12 am

The rebounding disparity is not a aberrant thing in 2017-2018. It’s something new to Pitt basketball in the Stallings era.

Pitt’s rebounding margin rankings 2011-2012 -> 2017-2018

Year Ranking
09-10 29
10-11 2
11-12 18
12-13 14
13-14 17
14-15 110
15-16 24
16-17 192
17-18 310

For those prepared to blame Young or Artis for last season’s fall, Young started in the 2013-2014 season and Artis was a top reserve. Artis became a starter in 2014-2015. Adams left after the 2013 season.

2011-2012 was the CBI season. 2014-2015 was the NIT season. All others under Dixon were NCAA appearances.

Comment by Barvo 11.22.17 @ 11:17 am

Barvo – thanks for your investigative work on rebounding at Pitt.

“Houston”, we got a problem. HCKS does not teach rebounding, nor does he have any intention of making it a priority to win ball games.

“Pay check please, thank you I’ll have another.” Kevin “Otis” Stallings

Comment by Erie Express 11.22.17 @ 11:27 am

Our next BB opponent – Lehigh – is ranked 301st this season in rebounding margin.

We got a chance…

Comment by Erie Express 11.22.17 @ 11:32 am

Erie – I wasn’t implying we have to wait that long only that our front court shouldn’t be seeing significant time for that long yet they’re starting.

This roster turnover has only happened 3 times this century.

IU won 6 games
Colorado won 7 games
St. Johns won 13 games

IU eventually made a Sweet 16. St. Johns did as well plus they also had the #3 overall recruiting class. Colorado never won more than 15 games with that coach.

IU followed up that 6 win season with top 10 recruiting classes leading the way to a Sweet 16 and future top 10 ranking. St. Johns was able to ride the initial wave of that #3 recruiting class but it still cost Lavin his job for under-performing.

If we look at the situation honestly, Pitt is in a position much more similar to Colorado. I don’t see top 10 recruiting classes on the horizon with Stallings and our attendance problems. Waiting Stallings out just doesn’t seem like the smart thing to do. It just kicks the can down the street and slows down Pitt’s ability to recover.

Regardless, all three programs ended up cutting ties with that coach that inherited the turned-over roster. Some quicker than others but not one coach was able to fulfill fan expectations.

The issue is that Pitt will not spend money on the type of coach Pitt needs to turn this around and, with under 3K fans showing up to games, will not be a draw for the hottest coaches on the market.

It’s amazing how badly Barnes F’d this up. People can blame Dixon for leaving the cupboard bare, and leaving on his own accord, but part of the reason Dixon wanted out was that he was not getting along with Barnes and disagreed with his vision of the program.

It was a mutual decision to part ways. Barnes got Dixon to leave then gave his buddy’s recruiting company a nice paycheck … and the rest is history … and will have longterm consequences on the state of Pitt basketball.

Comment by Tossing Thabeets 11.22.17 @ 11:43 am

Oregon state is already so far in the ditch that even bozo barnes can not make it any worse.

Comment by Steve 11.22.17 @ 12:23 pm

alcofan:
I think Simons had academic issues.
And, in Boykins limited minutes, yesterday, he looked better on defense (as did the entire team).

RE: Rebounding
Pitt’s “post” players are are all “stretch 4s”. On offense they are hanging around the perimeter.
And, Pitt’s front line is tiny (both short and skinny). Seeing them next to their opponents is stark. But I do agree, when they are under the basket, they are ball-watching when they should be seeking out the opposing player and establishing position.

Comment by xfmrman 11.22.17 @ 12:30 pm

He should have kept Nix.

Comment by alcofan 11.22.17 @ 4:53 pm

alcofan – LOLOLOLOL … AND Manigault. I had not thought about that. SMH. Oh man, hindsight. Those two were so early in the fire sale that I forgot about them.

Comment by Tossing Thabeets 11.22.17 @ 5:35 pm

Both Nix and Manigault would be starters and Good rebounders.

They may not have wanted to play for Otis.

Comment by Erie Express 11.22.17 @ 6:28 pm

Jay Symonds who de-committed from Pitt and committed to Stanford has moved from a 2 * to a 3 * ranking.

FWIW

Comment by Erie Express 11.23.17 @ 8:59 am

Happy Thanksgiving to all Pittsters everywhere.

And know that… yes… while we do DESERVE better… we are THANKFUL for all the GOOD!

Comment by PittofDreams 11.23.17 @ 9:21 am

Proud academic institution, athletic ? Not this yr.

Comment by Alcofan 11.23.17 @ 12:05 pm

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