March 13, 2017

Nothing particularly coherent. Just the jumble trying to work through after a week of basketball and then the NCAA Tournament field (and NIT) being set.

Let’s all give a big cheer for the NIT having a fantastic sense of humor. Days after Syracuse Coach Jim Boeheim, in a post game press conference, went off on the uselessness of Greensboro, NC as a site for the ACC Tournament (he’s not wrong). Followed by Greensboro’s twitter feed dropping the mike. And just for good measure, the minor league team piling on. The NIT gave the #1 overall seed a home game with UNC-Greensboro. It is truly an amazing thing when the NIT can actually pull a significant amount of attention from the NCAA Tournament bracket.

No CBI worries for Pitt. A team with mainly seniors and looking at a ton of roster turnover, would get no value in something like the CBI. And let’s face it, no one presently on or coaching this team wants to go back on the court.

As for the NCAA Tournament and bracket. About the only team that I feel got screwed out of a bid would be Illinois State. But otherwise, not much to complain regarding the teams in the field.

No real problem with the top two seed lines either. After that, things get interesting. It was surprising how much weight appeared to be placed on the record of teams in conference. In theory that should be the way it is, with much better competition and harder to pad records. But in this day of unbalanced scheduling because of the size of most major conferences, that can be significantly misleading.

Dayton and Wichita State as a 7-10 match-up is the biggest stunner. One because WSU was so low in seed, then to have them face each other — with the winner getting Kentucky. Both Archie Miller and Gregg Marshall were considered more likely to stay at their respective schools through this coaching carousel cycle. You have to wonder, though, with the way they got placed in the NCAA Tournament if they don’t take another look at some of the open positions.

Shocked that Florida State still landed a #3 seed (going back to that whole unbalanced schedule producing a pretty record). I thought they should have been a #5 seed. They start the Tourney against Florida Gulf Coast so there will be some trendy upset picking with that game. FSU probably got bumped up a seed to keep them from facing another ACC team in the first weekend.

Miami-Michigan State is a great match-up between coaches. Larranaga-Izzo. It won’t be a pretty game, but it will be interesting.

Still trying to understand how South Carolina as a #7 seed gets to play in South Carolina in the first weekend. Not that they will get past Duke if they win their first game, but still.

Go Bucknell.

If you are looking at coaching changes, the only openings in the Power 5 conferences are NC State, LSU, Missouri and now Illinois.

All four of those jobs have some good history and even some level of recent success.  There are factors that should make the jobs seem attractive. Yet, when you start ranking them in their own conference, they are essentially no better than middle-of-the-pack in terms of desirability and potential.

There is no question you can win there. But there is nothing providing any inherent advantages to the jobs over most of the other gigs within their respective conferences. Its why you see so many of the highly sought, highly thought of mid-major coaches stick with where they are. The money may be bigger at first, but will they get the same potential longevity, and do they wait for the really high ceiling jobs to come open? It really is tougher for the power five schools to find that next really good coach — who is willing to leave a good gig.

Illinois fired Bruce Weber five years ago (it seemed, rightfully so), but had only made the NCAA once under Jim Groce. Weber to his credit hasn’t been bad at K-State. Getting to the Tourney three times since being pushed out of Illinois — not great, either, just “slightly above average.”

Bruce Pearl at Auburn has improved slightly each year since taking over, but nothing like the way he did at Tennessee. Now he finds himself having to defend the progress when it is noted that he is 15-38 in the SEC.

Eleventh-seeded Auburn lost a 10-point lead and fell to No. 14 seed Missouri in overtime 86-83 at the SEC Tournament Wednesday night in Nashville, Tenn.

Pearl quickly made it clear that he’s not concerned about his job security on the Plains.

“If you want to put my ass on the hot seat, it’s not,” Pearl said.

Pearl, who signed the program’s first five-star prospects in freshmen Mustapha Heron and Austin Wiley, is 44-54 in three seasons at Auburn and 16-38 in SEC play. He finished 15-20 in his first season and 11-20 in his second. This year the Tigers (18-14) notched their first winning season since 2009.

Not only does Pearl feel good about the direction of the program, he doesn’t foresee making any changes to the staff next year.

“I think the staff is pretty solid,” he said. “I know the staff is solid from the standpoint of I’m pleased with my staff. All my assistants are ready to be head coaches. If that’s something that they desire and look to do this fall or spring, I will support them. My anticipation is it’ll have to be a pretty good job for them to leave. I think they’re excited about next year and sort of seeing this through.”

Auburn last made the NCAA Tournament in 2003, the longest active drought in the SEC, and the NIT in 2009.

Pac-12 continues to struggle with getting their network shown places. But, their commissioner just got an extension, making over $4 million per year.

Take the time to read this tremendous piece on bitter, old Bob Knight.

The ACC Network can’t get here soon enough.

Per usual, a primary topic was the ACC Network, scheduled to launch in conjunction with ESPN as a linear channel in 2019.

Commissioner John Swofford, media consultant Dean Jordan and ESPN’s distribution team updated the ADs on revenue projections, the network’s essential component. The ACC’s most recent federal tax return, for 2014-15, showed an average per-school distribution of $26.2 million, but with the Southeastern Conference projecting $40 million-plus per school in fiscal 2015-16, and the Big Ten about $50 million in later years, the ACC is behind.

Babcock declined to share numbers, but Florida State athletic director Stan Wilcox told FSU’s Board of Trustees on Wednesday that the conference hopes for $8-10 million more per school in the network’s first year, $15-20 million more thereafter. This according to the Noles247 website.

“We typically talk about what other conferences are doing,” Babcock said, “and where we’re positioned well and where we have some catching up to do. … We don’t mind overachieving and doing all we can to win, but I wouldn’t mind (SEC- and Big Ten-level money) every year just by opening the mail, and hopefully the channel will give us the upside to do that. …

“I’m confident (ESPN) will figure it out, whatever television looks like. For as far as I can see, people still want to consume sports live. That’s the one thing.”

And when the ACC Network launches, expect ESPN and the conference to make sure some primo games air on the network to make sure people subscribe (or just complain loudly).

A glance at 2019 schedules reveals Virginia Tech and Clemson as likely candidates to play conference games on Week One.

Florida State, Miami, North Carolina, Louisville and Duke have marquee non-league games on the books that week against, respectively, Boise State, Florida, South Carolina, Purdue and Alabama. But Virginia Tech and Clemson are set to play Championship Subdivision opponents Furman and Wofford.

So don’t be surprised if those games get bumped to later in the season so the Hokies and Tigers can play league opponents that week, with one opening on Thursday, Aug. 29.

“You want to have a quality launch, and certainly games that are appealing are really important,” Swofford said, without offering details. “And not only in that particular year. … We are spending a lot of time talking about scheduling. …

“There are some concerns about those (FCS) games being frontloaded on everybody’s schedule. That’s probably not good going forward with our business decisions and scheduling decisions related to the channel.”

Don’t expect Pitt to be one of those marquee early games unless it turns out UCF has become really good — and popular. The Pitt-PSU game that year is in State College. And at this time, unless there is a reschedule, Pitt has all non-con games scheduled and set for 2019.


It was so weird watching the selection show not waiting to see where Pitt is seeded. Wide open tourney. How often do you see a 7 loss team as a 1 seed? Should be a wild tourney and, Chas, you’re right – not much drama with the teams left out.

Comment by Tossing Thabeets 03.13.17 @ 9:30 am

Agree Chas but I think ACC needs to tell ND – In or Out – in FB. And all monies distributed equally. Then ACC network flourishes in NY and all over.

Big step but ACC needs to get to 16 FB teams and set 8 conference games. That is how ACC gets even more money than SEC or B10.

Comment by Frank MD 03.13.17 @ 10:23 am

I have no issue with Duke a 2 seed, but do take issue with them being in the same region as the overall 1 seed. Doesn’t seem fair to Nova.

On the other hand, Gonzaga or Arizona should have no complaints. Both play out west; it almost seems like the committee tried to set Sean Miller up since the Final 4 is being played in Glendale

Comment by wbb 03.13.17 @ 10:32 am

Sad, but I have no interest in the Tournament this year. It is always the elite teams that get the best players every year. Now that our school seems to have given up it is even sadder.

Everyone wants to root for the underdogs, but it is always a blueblood that wins the whole thing.

Comment by gc 03.13.17 @ 11:45 am

I honestly don’t know who won the ACC Tourny, that is how little I care. While I am at it, what reason was given for Pittsburgh not being viable to host the ACC tourney? Seems like it would be an awesome venue, with lots to see and do in the city.

Comment by gc 03.13.17 @ 11:48 am

I have managed to ignore all Ron Cook articles for just about a year now. But hey, the Pitt news is kinda sparse so I said what the heck…and yet again regretted ever reading it, though not as bad as some. The conclusion is just ridicuouls: “But like all coaches, Stallings deserves time to get the program back and running. It’s unfair to judge him on just one season. The problem is Pitt should be worse next season. It might not be until Stallings’ third year that we begin to see progress.”

I dont judge him on just 1 season but a career of middling, degrading players, and a lack of inspiration or rigor. What “progress” are we supposed to see exactly? Getting back to the success of 2000-2010? No way in hell, sorry. Ugh I just can’t believe still that Winter Has Come again for Pitt…after falling in love with Pitt Bball as a student (thank you Paul Evans), surviving the long Winter and then enjoying the rebirth (thank you Howland/Dixon) I see almost no chance now of avoiding another Winter…hopefully not too long, but it could be! Gosh I hope not.

Comment by DD 03.13.17 @ 11:59 am

Illinois State getting screwed (somewhat) was an after effect of the smell job of their former head coach, did at Pitt.

That would be..the Offensive(genius) Otis.

So it was wholly justified.

Comment by Emel 03.13.17 @ 12:16 pm

ditto gc

Watched the least amount of college basketball since I was probably 8 yrs old, this year.

I do want to thank Turd & Pitt for freeing up a lot of time for me this year.

I expect next year i will have even more free time.
Unless Pitt does something totally out of character.

Like grow a pair.

Comment by Emel 03.13.17 @ 12:20 pm

I’m sure if the General had supported the Wretch, that article would have been written in ‘glowing terms’.

Funny how that works.

Comment by Emel 03.13.17 @ 12:37 pm

Too early to judge Stallings? It’s tough to make too much of an assessment after this year, especially given the roster left behind. But no, it’s NOT too early to judge, here’s why?

1. Losing in-conference record over many years (17?), despite playing in a weak conference.

2. Even with a mediocre PG and no Center last year, we were 21-12? This year we were 16-17?

3. Drew inherited a weaker roster and had a slightly better record this year than KS last year (and a winning conf. record). No excuses by Drew, such as ‘I didn’t have my players yet’.

Right now is the perfect time to hire a new BB coach. Why? Because KS is making Gallagher look bad. And because we don’t have Barnes, Peterson, or some other screw-up in place to make the (wrong) hire. Didn’t we hire Narduzzi under these circumstances? Under Juhl?

Comment by 1618mt 03.13.17 @ 12:46 pm

~ DD

Makes perfect sense for Cook to promote Otis and give him time.

Yes, time to really bury Pitt at the Bottom of the ACC standings. All at the Piss Pedo Gazette would enjoy that.

Comment by Emel 03.13.17 @ 12:47 pm

Sure did 1618.

How we got Nard Dog, must have been Divine Providence, with the screwups running Pitt.

Comment by Emel 03.13.17 @ 12:50 pm

And the Nebraska>Wisconsin>Pittsburgh>OregonState Bermuda Triangle.

Comment by Emel 03.13.17 @ 12:52 pm

Before I came to this site….I was praying I would see a huge new headline from Chas.


Comment by Emel 03.13.17 @ 12:54 pm

HARRISBURG — Two former Penn State University administrators each pleaded guilty Monday to a misdemeanor child endangerment charge for his role in the Jerry Sandusky child molestation case, more than five years after the scandal broke.

Ex-Athletic Director Tim Curley and former university Vice President Gary Schultz originally were charged with felonies. The reduced charge is punishable by up to five years in prison.

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Comment by Emel 03.13.17 @ 12:57 pm

Misdemeanors ? Disgraceful.

But indicative of the lunacy going on around the country in the judicial branch.

Comment by Emel 03.13.17 @ 12:58 pm


This comment below was hysterical.

“To bad Sandusky can’t sodomize these two …. his old balls rhythmically slapping WE ARE PENN ST “

Comment by Emel 03.13.17 @ 1:02 pm

Wow, you don’t think Pedo State doesn’t have tons of influence…think again.

This story, which was just posted at 12pm, has already been removed, from the 4 leading Headline
article on the Trib’s Home Page. In fact I can’t find it on the home page at all now.

Comment by Emel 03.13.17 @ 1:42 pm

Headlines… Penn State Announces Plans for Stadium Renovations… AGAIN!

And we don’t even have one.

What’s wrong with this picture?

Comment by PittofDreams 03.13.17 @ 1:45 pm


We have a cheap administration game in charge with little or no vision. We need on OCS

Comment by WLAT 910 radio and the big beat! 03.13.17 @ 2:01 pm

What will Spanier plead? He’s the top dog, behind Paternlo.

Comment by alcofan 03.13.17 @ 2:02 pm

~ PoD….maybe Pitt should get into the Pedo business. Works for Pedo State !

Comment by Emel 03.13.17 @ 2:03 pm

EMel….your 1:02 post best ever! Read it while sleeping thru a staff meeting and laughed out loud!

Meetings at the highest Pitt levels this weekend on Stallings and…………..”crickets chirping”

Comment by Dan 72 03.13.17 @ 2:18 pm

Even though PSU had to pay millions in fines for the child crimes, they find money to renovate their stadium. Even a small OCS would satisfy.

Comment by Frank MD 03.13.17 @ 2:30 pm

Even Duquesne won’t settle for bottom of A-10

Jim Ferry out as Duquesne men’s basketball coach

Comment by Emel 03.13.17 @ 2:34 pm

Apparently them beating Pitt for the first time this century…..was NO BIG DEAL !

Comment by Emel 03.13.17 @ 2:35 pm

Clark’s gone, who’s next?

Comment by ShorePitt 03.13.17 @ 2:37 pm

Can’t wait to see what the roster will look like and produce for pitt basketball next year

It’s kinda exciting, I think

Comment by Keith 03.13.17 @ 3:23 pm

how dare you say that keith! you know there should be nothing but doom and gloom and name calling on this site. Maybe your saving it for football and pitts vaunted defense..

Comment by goalie44 03.13.17 @ 3:41 pm

Doom & Gloom got over 200 comments on the last article.

How many do you think…cheerleading comments would get ?

Comment by Emel 03.13.17 @ 3:55 pm

By all means go all cheerleading.

you Keith and JJ go at it !

Comment by Emel 03.13.17 @ 3:56 pm

It will be like Cardiac Hill. Even worse.

Comment by Emel 03.13.17 @ 3:56 pm

Pick the first 100 people in the Philadelphia phone book and 1 voted for Jill Stein. The Blather is no exception to the reality of probable diversity.

Regarding PSU, you have to hope the two stooges pled guilty in exchange for testifying against Spanier who continues to fight the charges. He would have had to have been the one with authority to sweep the whole thing under the rug, which got pulled out from under all the losers leading the cult.

P.S. Still holding out hope on Erie and Dan’S rumor. Will admit the flame is flickering though!

Comment by Wally 03.13.17 @ 4:16 pm

Who the hell is Jill stein?? LOL

Comment by Goalie44 03.13.17 @ 4:45 pm

Emel, I bet your in your 50’s. Tell me, except in the johnny major years when did pitt ever give a shit about athletics?? So it’s pointless to name call, pout or fuss about it. It is what it is.

Comment by Goalie44 03.13.17 @ 5:03 pm

To return to the original point of this article I would like to know how N. Carolina got a #1 seed over Kentucky.

Comment by JLE 03.13.17 @ 5:12 pm

~ Goalie44

The Jackie Sherrill years, part of the John Michelosen years, the Jock Sutherland era and the Pop Warner ear.

I’m not pouting, nor name calling, I like giving people nicknames, its only in jest.

And I do like to call out ineptitude. And it should be called out. For it you don’t, how on Earth will it ever change. (see Michigan football)

And that is….. what it is.

Comment by Emel 03.13.17 @ 6:12 pm

Pop warner and jock Sutherland are stretches….we arnt Michigan. The fan base is small, the alumni donations are small and the interest is small. You are right, that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t condemn ineptitude, but many on this blog have unrealistic expectations.

Comment by Goalie44 03.13.17 @ 6:41 pm

And the fact we have no AD yet is ridiculous.

Comment by Goalie44 03.13.17 @ 6:45 pm

Pitt thinks small. You need an AD to think big. Once you think big, others begin to see the possibilities. Pitt has plenty of fans and boosters to do something. Pitt’s new AD needs to give them a reason. If you hire Tressell, people will come. Donations will pour in. Pitt fans are some of the most passionate in all of sport despite our smaller numbers. A new AD can ignite the passion again and get some big corporations involved. The money is out there just waiting on the sidelines.

Comment by TX Panther 03.13.17 @ 6:53 pm

At tx, that sounds plausible, but from what tossing revealed about he Ad as well as the chancellor, the power to get anything big accomplished lies with the bot. How has that been working for us? I’m afraid it’s hopeless.

Comment by Goalie44 03.13.17 @ 6:56 pm

So I and others would rather gripe than say it’s hopeless.

Hopeless-ness is not me…sorry.

Comment by Emel 03.13.17 @ 7:30 pm

What was… can be again…..under the right leadership.

How old are you Goalie….20’s I bet.

Comment by Emel 03.13.17 @ 7:32 pm

The US II corps in North Africa in 1942 was a hopeless case, after getting beat at the Battle of Sidi Bou Zid.

Then they got pummeled again at a battle you might have heard have. Bloody Kasserine Pass.

All under the inept leadership of Major General Lloyd Fredendall.

Along came a General named Patton, George I think his first name was. Maybe you heard of him.

Well under his leadership….mind you….leadership…the II corps was transformed into a viable fighting force. Which defeated the Africa Corps decisively at the Battle of El Guettar.

Leadership makes all the difference in the World.

Comment by Emel 03.13.17 @ 7:42 pm

Ferry fired at Duquesne. Incredible, the last 4 Duquesne coaches to beat Pitt were fired that year.

Comment by alcofan 03.13.17 @ 7:52 pm

no emel, 51. comparing the north africa campaign and pitt athletics is foolish. but if complaining makes you happy and you think it makes a difference, knock yourself out. btw, last i checked patton is unavailable.

Comment by goalie44 03.13.17 @ 8:34 pm

I agree with several on here. I watched less than 5 college basketball games and zero NBA games so far this year. I will watch a couple of the tournament games this weekend if there is a chance for a big upset.

i like to watch two and three seeds losing the first weekend.

So Dan, are we getting AD news, recruit news or Head Basketball coach news this week? Will write a check if its Tressel news. Mens bball can be fixed with one great recruiting class and please don’t make a move to Brendin Knight. Finally, please not Pat Bostick for anything AD related. Other than that, happy Monday!

Comment by Huff 03.13.17 @ 8:34 pm

how about churchill or MacArthur? they would be just as effective i imagine.

Comment by goalie44 03.13.17 @ 8:40 pm

Emel, compliments to your knowledge of WWII military history. You made me stop and look up how bad Fredendall was. I love history too.

No sense discussing PITT basketball for a couple of years. Upittbasebll’s curses usually last at least two to four yrs.

I am becoming a believer Barnes might have set this whole thing up.

Why do people think PITT is such an easy touch. Pederson made us look like dummies.

I didn’t bother to go to the Chancellors reception in NYC last week. I like Gallagher, but am too depressed to hear the same old bull.

My youngest grandson (a Ju. miler in high school) has been asked by PITT’s track coach to come to Campus and look see. PITT has to use Carnegie Mellon’s track I hear. My guy also has an interest from the Yale coach. So we will see.

Football soon.

Comment by Old Pitt Grad 03.13.17 @ 8:52 pm

goalie44….you missed the point.

Nothing is totally hopeless, was the point.

Being 51 you should know that.

Had Patton thought like you, we might have lost WW2, certainly would have taken longer to push the Axis out of North Africa.

Comment by Emel 03.13.17 @ 8:58 pm

If one is totally hopeless, why are they even on a blog about Pitt sports. Seems kinda of self-defeating…no ?

Comment by Emel 03.13.17 @ 8:59 pm

We play Penn state next year yes? a total affront to my senses… but we likely lose that game. Inconceivable! but if anyone can, Stallings can!

Comment by DD 03.13.17 @ 9:06 pm

i get your point.

my point is that i choose not to incessantly complain about something that out of my control.

i’d like to think i would have been more like Omar Bradley. also a fine leader, a friend of the foot soldier.

Comment by goalie44 03.13.17 @ 9:07 pm

it’s comical.

Comment by goalie44 03.13.17 @ 9:08 pm

Churchill would be since he come in relief for Neville Chamberlain (who was a LOSER)

MacArthur would not, since he sort of bailed on Wainwright at Corregidor. (although they say he was ordered out)

Comment by Emel 03.13.17 @ 9:10 pm

Yes I agree Pitt is comical, in a very dark sense.

But i love dark (black) comedy.

Ever see the original version of:

Death at a Funeral
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Comment by Emel 03.13.17 @ 9:13 pm

it will be interesting to see how many criticize narduzzi for keeping conklin who was possibly the worst defensive co-ordinatior last year.

Comment by goalie44 03.13.17 @ 9:13 pm

I incessantly complain and you are incessantly hopeless.

Quite a twosome we are :)

Comment by Emel 03.13.17 @ 9:15 pm

i’ll drink to that!! btw, that was a funny youtube clip.

Comment by goalie44 03.13.17 @ 9:17 pm

What is OCS ?

Goalie who gives a shit about the AD. Look what the last two did to PITT !

We don’t even have a men’s basketball team!!!

PITT is not going to pay Stallings’ next 5 yr. salary at this point. They have to give him, at least, one more yr.

It won’t do any good. He’s not the right guy for PITT in the ACC. By the reports of the players he is bringing in, he wont get any thing going positive.

We need a METRO NYC GUY! That’s where they play the game.

Comment by Old Pitt Grad 03.13.17 @ 9:18 pm

btw, if we hire tressel, i’ll change my tune. i think he would be great.

Comment by goalie44 03.13.17 @ 9:18 pm

Cheers I’m ahead of you, already drinking to that !

Breaking in the week properly requires drinking on Monday. Sort of eases you into the week.

Comment by Emel 03.13.17 @ 9:21 pm

Thank You OPG….never stopped studying history after I got my degree in it.

Actually have learned much more history in the ensuing years, which might be because it’s a much longer time period than the 4 years it took to obtain the degree. 😉

Comment by Emel 03.13.17 @ 9:24 pm

i’m drinking before i have to go out and use the snow blower. what could go wrong? maryland is getting some snow.

Comment by goalie44 03.13.17 @ 9:25 pm

The Internet test sites..say I should have a PHD.

So I should be Dr. Emel. lol

Comment by Emel 03.13.17 @ 9:26 pm

Be careful goalie….is your health insurance paid to date ? ha

Comment by Emel 03.13.17 @ 9:27 pm

yep and life insurance. :)

Comment by goalie44 03.13.17 @ 9:29 pm

Accidental Death and Dismemberment (nice thought eh) lol

Comment by Emel 03.13.17 @ 9:31 pm

All you guys are Nuts. Wait, what General said that during the Battle of the Bulge? (Gen. Anthony McAuliffe)

Comment by Old Pitt Grad 03.13.17 @ 9:37 pm

Dats right OPG….the Battered Bastards of Bastogne/ 101st Airborne Screaming Eagles.

My dad was a Captain in that Division.

Comment by Emel 03.13.17 @ 9:41 pm

my grandfather was a cook in that division..the world needs ditch diggers as well.

Comment by goalie44 03.13.17 @ 9:43 pm

505 PIR

Comment by goalie44 03.13.17 @ 9:47 pm

Richie Hebner was a ditch(grave) digger in a Cemetery.

He could play a little 3rd base too.

Cooking is good too. An army only marches on it’s stomach. (some french general said that one time)
dunno who.

Comment by Emel 03.13.17 @ 9:50 pm

good point! damn french love to eat.

Comment by goalie44 03.13.17 @ 9:51 pm

Yea i think the 505 was in the 82nd.

Comment by Emel 03.13.17 @ 9:54 pm

My passion for history is actually greater than anything concerning Pitt.

Pitt’s football greatness lies in it’s history.

We all should have been in the 19 teens.

Of course some of us would have been offed in WW2. Like 3 of my uncles were.

Comment by Emel 03.13.17 @ 9:59 pm

Pitt basketball reached the highest it could in the homeland/dixon era, I don’t see pitt ever reaching that level again

The opportunity was there to be elite, and it was gone just like that!

I hope we can get back to at least making the tourney, I enjoy March madness the most, and isn’t the same without pitt in it

Comment by Keith 03.13.17 @ 10:27 pm

So true Keith.

We did reach the Elite 8 in 1974 too.

Pitt won 22 or 21 straight games that year.

Had on it’s team, still Pitt’s best player EVER, Billy Knight of General Braddock HS.

Also Pitt’s best EVER (to date) NBA-ABA player. Billy was 2nd in scoring to the great Dr. J one year in league scoring.

Comment by Emel 03.13.17 @ 10:31 pm

How about Billy Knight for AD !

He has tons of experience as an NBA front office guy. Ran the Atlanta Hawks I believe.

Comment by Emel 03.13.17 @ 10:33 pm

I want a Pitt Man for AD. Tired of these hired guns with no loyalty to Pitt.

Comment by Emel 03.13.17 @ 10:34 pm

Pitt, Syracuse, UConn, Georgetown, St John’s and BC all didn’t make the NCAA. Dave Gavitt is rolling over in his grave.

I’m afraid we all are going to have to get used to this.

Comment by wbb 03.14.17 @ 6:06 am

Emel, Before Atlanta, Knight spent many years with Pacers … many as GM

Comment by wbb 03.14.17 @ 6:08 am

OPG, OCS is On-Campus Stadium

Comment by wbb 03.14.17 @ 6:11 am

The Enemy’s new Castle.

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Comment by PittofDreams 03.14.17 @ 6:51 am

Is Beaver Stadium located ‘on campus’? Don’t think so

Comment by Grizzly1 03.14.17 @ 7:23 am

Speaking of football.

Took time this morning to check out Max Browne for the first time.

My analysis… “Pretty Boy” who looks great… UNTIL the pressure is on.

Don’t be confused to think it was solely USC Freshman Phenom Sam Darnold who forced Browne to the bench.

It’s in the numbers.

Browne’s numbers were NOT good when he was finally given the opportunity to start after years of sitting the bench. Granted his first start was against Alabama, but even in his ONE win against Utah State the numbers were less than impressive.

The worst part… Browne appears to be a STIFF in the Passing Game who is VULNERABLE to taking Sacks.

Bottom line… personally not banking on Browne’s success as Pitt’s next Starting Quarterback.

Comment by PittofDreams 03.14.17 @ 7:33 am

Putting my early money on Ben DiNucci to EVENTUALLY win the Starting job.

Liked what I saw in his first action in the Bowl. Known to be a extremely competitive, DiNucci showed it… albeit the mistakes made.

Can’t help but think that had Orndoff held on to the PERFECTLY thrown pass that would have brought Pitt into a tie late in the Game, DiNucci would be the Quarterback everyone would be talking about.

Incoming Offensive Coordinator Shawn Watson’t commitment to the SPREAD Offense only plays further into DiNucci’s hands.

Looks made to run the Spread Offense.

Comment by PittofDreams 03.14.17 @ 7:42 am

You want to know why PSU has so much money…

Undergraduates 18,757
Postgraduates 9,860

Undergraduates 40,500
Postgraduates 6,106

If you include branch campuses it is even a bigger difference. Plus their alumni contribute tons of money. Unlike SOP fans.

Pitt needs to stop building hospitals, mow down the shit hole places in Oakland (and their are many) and expand the student population!

Comment by notrocketscience 03.14.17 @ 8:15 am

@ emel,

82nd, you are correct professor!

Comment by goalie44 03.14.17 @ 8:56 am

grizzly, I believe Beaver Stadium is considered on-campus, if not, it’s on the very edge. It would be like the VA hospital to Pitt campus

Comment by wbb 03.14.17 @ 9:07 am

notrocket, if you include branch campuses, PSU total enrollment nears 100k

They long have advocated a decentralized approach with many of their branches offering 4 year degree programs. I worked at a project in Erie a couple of years and took a drive thur their Behrend campus, and it seemed every bit as big as some of the small colleges I have seen.

Comment by wbb 03.14.17 @ 9:21 am

Notrocket… agree on the need for Pitt to do its own Campus Revitalization.

Superior to many other Campuses in terms of Architecture. However, too much of that Beauty continues to be missed due to the “stuff” in between.

Hopefully, any such project would provide for the building of our own “Castle” as a centerpiece.

Comment by PittofDreams 03.14.17 @ 9:23 am

If Pitt Admin could only find within themselves some of the BOLD spirit and vision exemplifying some of the GREATS from the past who dared to think BIG!

Comment by PittofDreams 03.14.17 @ 9:37 am

Pitt needs to change the culture, which has to be set by the administration. Based on Notrockets numbers Pitt should easily average 50,000 at football games since PSU averages over 100,000 in the middle of nowhere. The fact that Pitt Admin has always treated athletics as a step child and has never emphasized school spirit is responsible for poor support in attendance and donations.

Pitt has always made students feel like a number, instead of a valuable member of a tribe. We laugh at the allegiance alumni have for PSU, ND or Michigan, but that fierce loyalty is missing at Pitt. Part of this is because for years Pitt was a commuter, graduate and night school. No allegiance necessary. I recognized the difference as a student when a friend invited me for a football weekend in Morgantown in 1970. The football and school frenzy was palpable. On Pitt’s campus you would not even know a football game was being played if you walked though the common areas or went to the library.

PSU branch campus get official PSU degrees unlike Pitt Branch Campus students that get a separate degree.

Comment by gc 03.14.17 @ 9:39 am

GC, are you available for AD, BoT, Chancellor? Your analysis is spot on. Pitt needs change agents in these positions vice the status quo preservers that we have.

Comment by HbgFrank 03.14.17 @ 9:54 am

POD, according to the news here in Central PA, work on the castle can not start until they raise $100M to fund and then complete renovations to non FB and BB facilities.

Comment by HbgFrank 03.14.17 @ 10:15 am

Pitt and PSU are two fundamentally different schools. It’s pointless to compare the two. We went to a very unique school in a mid-sized market.

It’s an Urban campus, but not a big city, yet a city with the most colleges per capita outside of Boston. The college educated population went to many different schools. Pitt wasn’t the only choice and not necessarily the first choice. The economy in PGH in the 80’s and 90’s also drove a lot Pitt alumni out of town … part of the reason why Pitt actually travels well.

There is no template for what Pitt is. Truly, one of a kind.

If Pitt’s winning consistently, fans will show up regardless of where the stadium is. If Pitt’s not winning consistently … well, we already see and have seen what happens … regardless of where Pitt plays. And believe it or not, there are a lot of us who like the convenience of Heinz.

I could care less about a “Pitt Man” as a coach but I really believe the AD should be. Pitt needs someone who values what Pitt is and understands the uniques challenges the school faces.

Pitt is, and always will be, an academic school first. UPMC is what drives Pitt’s endowment. There is no way around that. The way the BoT is structured, Pitt athletics will never be able to compete for the front porch … that belongs to the hospital … despite the propaganda that was fed to us.

Pitt athletics are more like the foyer. You don’t see it until you’re invited inside.

The university has a lot of money. Pitt needs an AD that can leverage access to it and build a solid infrastructure. Before Pitt can take a step nationally, the way the athletic department is run has to be modernized and tailored to the environment that Pitt operates in. I think part of the problem with Pitt is that it tries to run it’s program like a traditional athletic department … but Pitt is not traditional.

Comment by Tossing Thabeets 03.14.17 @ 11:19 am


You are correct, Pitt is unique and the job requires someone that can embrace that uniqueness but it can’t be a Pitt man. A Pitt man would have the same small ideas as the Pitt administration.

Many schools have hired board room guys for their ADs. Staying away from the traditional guys.

Comment by notrocketscience 03.14.17 @ 12:19 pm

Notrocketscience – good point. Barnes and SP were cookie cutter AD’s. I guess I know what I don’t want.

Comment by Tossing Thabeets 03.14.17 @ 12:26 pm

Perhaps notrocketscience, but perhaps not.

There are many Pitt men on this blog, who have BIG IDEAS.

I’ve just read many many good posts and suggestions and ideas right on here.

Surely we could find a Pitt Man for AD who thinks like many of us. That has done many things, been many places, lived in many areas or cites. Has a vision and is bold.

I think the bigger question is: would Pitt allow such a man to apply his vision and boldness if it upset the apple cart.

There must have been many on the BoT who wanted rid of Pitt Stadium to ok that horrendous decision, which was certainly bold but fraught with a lack of vision and a lack of what drives an Athletic Department.

I posted Billy Knight would be a possible candidate, he would also have many basketball coach contacts I would think.

And I’ve been posting that the new AD hire should be dependent on bringing along a BBall coach with him. Since we’re in the middle of a unmitigated disaster on that front and football is stable.

Comment by Emel 03.14.17 @ 1:10 pm

Maybe it is the optimist in me, but I see Pitt as a great opportunity, POTENTIALLY, for an AD…a lot of things are f-ed up. I like situations like that because it means upward mobility potential is great, and big changes can happen without a ton of labor. Its like the opposite of why no one wanted to replace Dixon. I would think a lot of potential ADs would see Pitt as a nice opportunity with a lot of room for improvement.

That said, I capped Potentially because the prereq is a willingness by the admin to allow change. Sometimes that means just letting procedures and power structures change, sometimes that means allowing more $$ to flow, and sometimes both. I have no idea where Pitt falls on these two things.

I do hear on this board from time to time that “Pitt has money.” I am sure they do. But that is not the same has having reallocatable money. I mean, I make a decent salary…other people like me go on all sorts of vacations, buy toys…me, between debts, buying a house at the peak of the market and other factors, am practically house-poor. It just all depends I guess.

Comment by DD 03.14.17 @ 1:37 pm

DD – I’m optimistic too. We’ve had an administrator (SP) and a fundraiser (Barnes). What Pitt needs is a leader.

Regarding money, Pitt is/was a top 25 school regarding the size of their endowment. We always hear it’s earmarked for education but you can’t tell me that someone creative couldn’t find a way to tap it … and repay it.

Comment by Tossing Thabeets 03.14.17 @ 2:11 pm

So the Beaver Stadium upgrade will happen in phases and is part of a 20 year plan released by the athletic department.

Where the hell is Pitt’s 20 year plan?

Being that the Rooneys are already picking a fight with the stadium authority, Pitt better get one.

Comment by notrocketscience 03.14.17 @ 2:11 pm

notrocket – Barney stuffed it in his purple suit and took it with him to Oregon State.

If you get on his twitter account you see that (while still on Pitt’s payroll) Barnes was presenting his fan experience committee ideas to Beaver Nation.

Comment by Erie Express 03.14.17 @ 2:20 pm

Rocket – Pitt’s 20 year plan is to go twinsies with the Steelers again, in 15 years, when they replace Heinz.

In all seriousness (well, that is kind of serious), it’s been mentioned a couple of times that Pitt has started preliminary research on a Pitt only stadium … notice how I didn’t reference on campus stadium (That’s the OCS, OPG)… because Pitt’s own stadium may be off campus too.

Comment by Tossing Thabeets 03.14.17 @ 2:24 pm

Pitt needs to do something before Interest Rates rise, which they will do… eventually.

Right now money is cheap. Float a Bond, etc.

Everyone it seems is moving forward.
We seem to be stuck in Neutral….eternally.

Comment by Emel 03.14.17 @ 3:02 pm

Manigault gone!

Comment by ShorePitt 03.14.17 @ 3:04 pm

Pitt’s top rated incoming freshman, Aaron Thompson’s high school teammate has decided to transfer.
Good bye Corey Manigault.

Comment by xfmrman 03.14.17 @ 3:08 pm

The guys coming in can’t compete in the ACC. Why can’t we get rid of Stallings and start fresh now. No point in making the process last another 5 years.

Comment by ShorePitt 03.14.17 @ 3:13 pm

ShorePitt – I’m not a fan of KS either, primarily because I don’t think he’s a very good coach, but suggesting the recruits coming in can’t compete in the ACC, when you have not the slightest clue to support the idea, is not help adding a lot of insight. Frankly, I’m pretty confident KS is a better recruiter than JD, so I wouldn’t knock the kids coming in just yet (even though he hasn’t had much time to recruit yet). It’s what he does with them that worries me.

Comment by 1618mt 03.14.17 @ 3:22 pm

You’re probably right, I don’t have an indepth knowledge of the guys coming in other than reading what others have written about them. I don’t watch highschool games, but I trust the stuff I read when its pretty consistent across the board. As far as his KS coaching, the number of leads he blew this year, the lack of timeouts, the lack of substitutions all lead me to believe we’re screwed. Look at the buffalo game, that was the last straw for me.. This program is a joke. Maybe everyone is wrong about all these guys coming in, but I have a feeling it’s going to be a long few years. Then we’ll fire KS and rebuild yet again.

Comment by ShorePitt 03.14.17 @ 3:29 pm

Per Verbal Commits, which compiles the various ratings into a composite rating.

Only one coming in that might be ACC mid range player is Thompson.

The rest are totally replaceable.

None of them including Thompson are program changing type players.

What they are… are the type of players that will keep Pitt at the bottom of the ACC standings.

So if we lost the whole class (and we wouldn’t because Pitt is their best offer anyway), it would not be a huge loss at all.

Comment by Emel 03.14.17 @ 4:10 pm

7 bodies does not make a great recruiting class.

Just a large one.

Comment by Emel 03.14.17 @ 4:13 pm

I like the class coming in but it’s worth losing if we get the right coach … like a Kevin Keatts. I, personally, think Thompson will be a stud having seen him play a handful of times. I also saw Manigault, and liked him, but never saw him in the same light as I see Aaron Thompson. Speaking of which, yes, those two were teammates but Paul VI is a basketball factory. Kids come and go all the time. Manigault lived on the other side of the beltway (Suitland, MD) and would stay with a Paul VI foster family to play basketball there. Who know how close these kids were, if at all.

I just have no interest in watching a rebuild with a coach that I think will ultimately fail … and then have to rebuild again when he ultimately leaves. Just stop the bleeding now and move on. We’re already rebuilding this year anyways.

I know some are tire of the negativity … I’m usually on that side of the fence … but this was such a bad hire under such nefarious conditions that we have a right to demand better.

Comment by Tossing Thabeets 03.14.17 @ 4:17 pm

If you thought the Offensive Genius has the offense humming along this year (Pitt scored 3 ppg less this year under Offensive Otis than last year), wait till next year.

I doubt we will avg 60 ppg next year.

Comment by Emel 03.14.17 @ 4:18 pm

Haven’t seen this on the Trib, but Corey Manigault appears to be a goner too !

Local media seems slow on the uptake.

The Pitt basketball team lost the second member of its 2016 recruiting class when sophomore guard Crisshawn Clark announced on his Twitter account his intention to transfer.

So Manigault would be the 3rd and final member of the 2016 recruiting class.

Just found this on ESPN.

Manigault and Clark transferring from Pittsburgh

Per the article:
“The transfers are the latest in a mass exodus at Pitt.”

link to

Comment by Emel 03.14.17 @ 4:44 pm

Forgive me if already posted, but Manigualt now also out.

link to

Agree with 4:10 post Emel. Amazing the pumping going on with the class elsewhere though.

Comment by Barvo 03.14.17 @ 4:45 pm

Give Stallings more room for additional 2 star recruits.

Hey is that positive or not !

Comment by Emel 03.14.17 @ 4:47 pm

@Emel The point differences were all due to the tougher schedule and loss of JR!

Pitt retiring 0 next season!

If Stallings now dumps Nix, Milligan and Wilson he’ll have expunged Dixon’s last two classes. Built in excuse for next year “Look at the young roster I had to coach”

Comment by Barvo 03.14.17 @ 5:15 pm

Erie – save us with a positive update the rumor.

Comment by Tossing Thabeets 03.14.17 @ 5:17 pm


Thanks for the insight on Paul VI.
I was concerned that the loss of Manigault may effect Thompson. And that the incoming class would look worse.
I do hope that the staff is looking to bring in at least one more big man (grad transfer?) for 2017.

Comment by xfmrman 03.14.17 @ 5:19 pm

The front porch for Pitt will always be the medical center. The admin does not care much about athletics. Your foyer is athletics. Arent coats hung in the foyer while the entertainment goes on in other rooms?

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