February 27, 2017

Nothing Surprising, Only Disappointing

Filed under: Basketball — Chas @ 8:44 am

The loss on Saturday to UNC was not anything unexpected. Just because Pitt played them well in Chapel Hill a few weeks prior didn’t mean Pitt was going to pull an upset. UNC has been playing a lot better and Pitt has been… as they have been.

No one seems to have wanted to admit this around the team, but defense and rebounding make a difference. At least until it was absurdly beaten into them.

And led to a post game quote from Jamel Artis that kind of sums up this team:

“Obviously we would have liked to come out with a win and it’s very disappointing. We thought we had a good chance to win, but we didn’t go out and play as hard as we could have. I think we learned how important the defensive side and rebounding are to winning a game.”

Way to figure that out 29 games into the season. I’m sure you will take that lesson to heart with all the games still to play.

UNC has been stronger all season on offensive rebounding, but against Pitt it was taken to a new level. UNC grabbed 24 offensive rebounds in the game and 48 overall. Pitt had just 9 offensive rebounds — which depressingly enough is actually an improvement over the Wake Forest game where they only had 9 — and only 28 total. That UNC was close to having as many offensive boards as Pitt had total rebounds is absurd.

Not that it would have made a difference, but once more Pitt’s 3-point shooting disappeared in the second half. After going 5-12 in the first half, Pitt shot 2-12 in the second. And if you dip back to when UNC made their 10-0 run to put Pitt down by 12 at the half, Pitt had been 5-10 on 3s before that 3-minute bludgeoning by UNC. Pitt missed two 3s in that stretch.

Finishes the regular season on the road. Tomorrow at Georgia Tech and then on Saturday at Virginia. If Pitt doesn’t win one of those games, they will finish the regular season with a losing record. Their first since 1999-2000.


Sadly, in college sports as in most of current society, money is power. Yes, there will still be the Butler’s or the VCU’s that hire a smart young coach who puts together a team that just gels and they get hot for a year or two. Maintaining a winning program for multiple decades in any major college sport requires serious money and a commitment to spend it well.

Unless and until Pitt can raise that money and hire well and wisely, we will continue to see short bursts, peaks if you will, of promise and success surrounded by deep and wide valleys of failure and doom.

It was national exposure in an era before wall to wall coverage that made the basketball blue bloods and football powerhouses what they are. It is money that keeps them on their lofty perch. Sports is no different than life. ‘Twas ever thus.


Comment by Pitt Dad 02.27.17 @ 9:50 am

Sad but nothing left to say.

The Barnes hire was atrocious. His hiring and process of hiring Rockports. It all speaks to the lack of any Athletic overseeing from BOT or Gallagher.

This is what you get with nerds with money make decisions.

Comment by Upittbaseball 02.27.17 @ 10:00 am

Not unlike humorous anecdotes interspersed in a eulogy during a wake, a momentary respite from the somber reality of the moment quickly evaporates. While there remains a few games to, umm, win, the season’s obituary is all but written. Disappointment and depression certainly outpaces anger and acrimony for most. The constant bickering about the coaching situation often overshadows the fact that we all still root for the Panthers and just, frankly, can’t stand the condition we find the BB program in. No doubt, Saturday was the most somber Senior day in a long time.

Most are aware of my sentiments regarding KS. Almost a full year later, my flabber remains ghasted that he somehow was contracted to be HC. Nevertheless, he is. And, get used to it. Will be.

Regardless of who the new AD is, and who knows WHEN they will be hired, there is NO chance they would initiate the chaos which would accompany a change in coaches. Anybody who has achieved the level of success which leads to being hired as the director of athletics at a major university would know better. Whatever your vision is for Pitt athletics, it takes time to develop and execute. While you may know day one that KS is not your guy, it would be beyond foolish to ready, shoot, aim.

The only way KS leaves is if he resigns (NO WAY), or the BOT recognizes the error of their ways and makes a preemptive strike (somewhere south of NO WAY).

Which means, as Bill Parcells says, you are what your record says you are. A mediocre to bad basketball program. And there is little or no reason to expect that to change anytime soon. Accept it and move on.

I say let’s go ALL IN for the upcoming FB season and do all we can to support HCPN!

Comment by wally 02.27.17 @ 10:02 am

Speaking of rebounding, you may have heard that Jamie Dixon hastily skipped town because he knew he had left the roster cupboard bare this season and that Pitt therefore has no center. Somehow Rozelle Nix, the guy Dixon recruited to play center, and Mike Young led the team in rebounds on Saturday. Nix only played 18 minutes. Young played 35 minutes. Nix had 3 offensive rebounds. Nix averaged nearly 2 rebounds per minute.

Seeing production like Nix has had continues to make me wonder whether implementing a more conventional lineup in the non-conference, or at least playing other guys consistent, major minutes in the non-con, would have had a bigger payoff during the ACC schedule than the season long lineup has had.

Perhaps Howland returns again to resurrect Pitt basketball?

Comment by Barvo 02.27.17 @ 10:15 am

Pitt needs to win their remaining games to claw into the NIT. If they lose out they may be playing a first round road game in the CBI.

Things are going to be worse next year. At least 7 new 3* (2 borderline 4*) players with no D1 experience. Most of whom can’t shoot. I’ve seen a lot of pumping of Wilson-Frame (Juco). However I doubt those folks have looked at his stats for conference games this season. Not particularly impressive for a second year juco player that is targeted to play SG or SF at Pitt.

Comment by Barvo 02.27.17 @ 10:25 am

I cant agree with the JD left the cupboard bare thing. He left the cupboard exactly as it was last year, the only differences being the loss of JR and purportedly 4 seniors who would only be better than last year.

I remain committed in saying, JD gets this team to the tourney. We lose first round, yes, but he forces enough defense and rebounding that it would have happened. Slogball would have been better than freedom for this kids.

Now, did JD leave the cupboard bare for next year? Oh yeah. Boy did he. Combined with KS’s inability to coach, err, I mean, commitment to freedom in his players, and it is going to be the most painful season experienced this century.

Comment by DD 02.27.17 @ 10:39 am

The smart business move is to admit we hired a turd and find a new coach. Pitt invested in Basketball. You don’t buy a Bentley and put shitty gas in it and wear muddy shoes in it. Get it muddy shoes, Rockports???

Comment by Upittbaseball 02.27.17 @ 10:43 am

Barvo, I think Nix would be great in a conventional lineup, but I think 18 minutes is pushing his conditioning. He also tends to pile up fouls. If both of these can be worked on, next year he might be 25 minutes/10 rebounds/4 points per game.

Comment by KeyboardKev 02.27.17 @ 11:29 am

Also, regarding Artis – didn’t he have 3 years of Dixon yelling at him to play defense and rebound, and 1 year of Stallings saying they weren’t playing hard enough and weren’t playing good defense?

I guess Jamel took that “effort” course his last term senior year.

Comment by KeyboardKev 02.27.17 @ 11:31 am

Upitt – I agree. I don’t see it happening, especially given presumed financial constraints, but there is risk associated with the erosion of the BB program as well. I guess you’d have to be someone who knew all the stakes involved in order to even assess the situation. Even if a new AD wasn’t willing to cut the cord with KS (and I suspect that’ll be the case), he’d still need to prepare/plan to do just that in the not-too-distant future anyway, so they really need to hire the right guy this time around.

Comment by 1618mt 02.27.17 @ 11:33 am

Any AD worth a damn wouldnt take this job without 100% permission to fire Stallings. That is what they will find and hence why they will promote EJ who will be a yes man to them and keep status quo.

Comment by Upittbaseball 02.27.17 @ 11:40 am

Pitt made their bed when they hired Stallings, even more so giving a six year contract to a guy that would have taken three.

They are obviously content to have a half empty Pete, maybe worse for the next few years. I find the fact that Gallegher stopped attending games somewhat telling.

A new AD has his work cut out for him but also his hands tied as far as BBall is concerned.

Comment by gc 02.27.17 @ 12:08 pm

Barvo… Valid point concerning Nix. He certainly has surprised EVERYBODY… especially with his Heart.

But don’t get carried away with what Nix is capable of. As well as he has played and even improved in recent Games… his play would likely DETERIORATE with more minutes.

Also don’t get carried away with what you think Dixon could have accomplished with this Team. Even with the OVER-achievements of Nix, it’s obvious the Cupboard is truly BARE.

Maybe you’ve happened to notice how POORLY Kithcart and the others coming off the Bench match-up against Opponents?

The MAJORITY of Blatherites surely have.

It was EXACTLY the right time for Dixon to leave… and he knew it.

Comment by PittofDreams 02.27.17 @ 12:19 pm

Granted too… Stallings has surprised me with his EPIC Fail… and I knew absolutely nothing about the Guy when he came in.

But somebody sure should have.

Comment by PittofDreams 02.27.17 @ 12:21 pm

POD – Ask his last boss, Store Manager at Nashville’s Belks.

Comment by Upittbaseball 02.27.17 @ 12:26 pm

Bottom line… would Dixon likely have Coached this Team up to SLOW things down and possibly be more competitive against SUPERIOR Athletic Teams?


Would they be winning?

Absolutely NOT!

Comment by PittofDreams 02.27.17 @ 12:27 pm

Upitt… If Stallings ever goes back to selling shoes, you absolutely should buy a pair off him.

I think you owe it to him.

Comment by PittofDreams 02.27.17 @ 12:29 pm

Who said he ever left??

He has to have 2 jobs. He sure isn’t focused on coaching.

Comment by Upittbaseball 02.27.17 @ 12:44 pm

It is going to take a 5 million dollar coach with a commensurate budget to compete in the ACC. This won’t happen anytime soon with the hole they have dug for themselves.

Obviously Barnes and Gallagher did not understand that Pittsburgh Fans will not support any team that is not competitive and thought they could get away with an average coach.

Jamie was criticized for underachieving in the NCAA’s, but Pitt was extremely competitive in the Big East and sold out the Pete. Not giving him the support he needed to recruit at an elite level turns out to be an epic mistake.

The term “Penny wise and Pound Foolish” comes to mind. You need elite coaching and players to compete with the top ACC teams.

The immediate future is pretty bleak. The new Ad’s hands will be tied, best to concentrate on selling tickets at Heinz.

Comment by gc 02.27.17 @ 12:46 pm

You think Stallings treats people poorly? He is a saint compared to Howland. Take look at why he was fired from UCLA. Please Pitt, don’t bring that rent-a-coach back…unless we need someone to keep our trainers and ball boys in line.

Comment by HbgFrank 02.27.17 @ 12:52 pm

As far as Nix, he is a role player at best. He gets winded really fast, needs to lose another 40 lbs. He has gotten better and has some skills, but not really an ACC level player.

When you watch Carolina or Louisville yesterday the talent level is so obvious it is ridiculous by comparison to what Pitt puts on the floor.

Young and Artis the only two that would get a few minutes for either team.

I am still a fan of Cam Johnson. It will be tough for him next year being “The Guy”. He still disappeared too often this year, but another year in the weight room should help a lot.

Comment by gc 02.27.17 @ 1:00 pm

Louisville spends over $100 million on athletics. PsU over $120 million.

Pitt? Based on the last numbers I can find it’s about $60 million. link to

It’s hard to be competitive when your foes outspend you 2:1.


Comment by Pitt Dad 02.27.17 @ 1:50 pm

Believe LVille and PSU has much more revenue than Pitt … LVille makes more $$ than any BB program in NCAA (if not, close to it)

Bright side … if losing record, then we don’t have to suffer through any post-season.

Comment by wbb 02.27.17 @ 2:27 pm

GC – I wouldn’t assume that Jamie got no support for staffing hires, it appears he is at the very least partially responsible for not filling the recruiting void with the right staff choices. I’m a fan of Dixon, but that was at least partly on him (if not mostly).

And with regard to Nix, Upitt’s summary above is good. Yes, he is an ACC center, but at this point a backup one. Hopefully he can continue to develop.

Pitt Dad – Interesting if true. Louisville is also willing to employ unscrupulous coaches with their cash. We don’t need to do that, we just need to find one more good coach, and if we get the right AD in place, he won’t need to hire a search firm to do his job for him.

Comment by 1618mt 02.27.17 @ 2:36 pm

@wally extremely well said.

Comment by Tony in Harrisburg 02.27.17 @ 2:43 pm

@ 1618mt & GC I posted the other day that I saw a trend where Pitt would lose good assistant coaches as Jamie’s salary increased.

It is a guess on my part that the athletic department had a limit on the amount of money they would spend on coaching for the BB program. If JD got a pay increase he had less $$ to spend on assistants. (I have worked for people that operated this way in the past.)

I don’t think that’s to far off of what actually happened. We had some really good recruiters early in JD’s time here and they got some very good college players to come to Pitt.

As JD got a bigger salary those guys moved elsewhere. They were replaced with mostly ex-players with no track record what so ever and recruiting fell off.

I think that TCU was willing to allow JD to spend the money he needed on assistants and that sealed the deal. That and Herman holding the door open for him here at Pitt.

On top of that Jamie Dixon has hired a great group of recruiters at TCU so it’s not as if he wasn’t aware of his own short comings and didn’t know where or how to find the right people.

I’m speculating that IF the Pitt AD had spent the monies needed for assistant coaches that could recruit we may be looking at an entirely different team this year.

JD’s last raise was in 2011 which pushed him to 2.4 million. Shortly after that we started missing on recruits and our better recruiters found employment elsewhere.

Comment by Tony in Harrisburg 02.27.17 @ 3:10 pm

@wbb – most major university programs have greater revenue than Pitt. We’re in the lower third of the ACC and near the bottom of all large public universities. So, the dollars have to come from somewhere else if you want to compete at the highest levels. It’s ok not to want that, just be honest with your students, alumni and fan base.

@1618 – even if their hired a saint, Louisville would still be spending more than Pitt.

I’m not advocating being unscrupulous or spending excessively on athletics, I’m just pointing out that dollars and winning correlate quite well. And while correlation does not prove causation, I have yet to see a major program remain successful for decades without correlative spending.

It’s up to the BOT to make choices. As fans, we have a right to honesty about the reasonable expectations based on those choices.


Comment by Pitt Dad 02.27.17 @ 3:25 pm

Dad – There is not a lot of pride in Pitt for a few reasons.

1. Because it is a city school the connection to Athletics isn’t strong. There is simply to much other stuff to invest in plus the product has sucked and admin treated fans like noise.

2. Product is bad

3. Athetics don’t connect Alumni to Campus. Attending games and buying tickets is more than sports. It is a connection to show off your campus and. Where you lived to kids and wife etc. playing no where near campus is moronic.

4. AD’s have been polarizing inept monkeys.

Plenty more but good start.

Comment by Upittbaseball 02.27.17 @ 4:06 pm

You are exactly right Upitt!! I don’t mean to poke the bear, but that is why there is sooo much passion from us old timers about Pitt Stadium. Sure it was old. They didn’t call it “cardiac hill” because it sat in an easily accessible cow pasture. But it was OUR stadium on OUR campus. It brought us all together every Fall. It was indeed a pain in the ass going back to Homecoming and fighting for parking. But there was something sentimental about it and I never missed stopping by the fraternity house for a pop with my family, regaling them with memories.

Heinz. Meh.

Someone said on an earlier string we should have done what Syracuse did and renovated it for multipurpose which would have accommodated BB too.
To your point, Cornhole would never even factored in the legacy aspect and allowed financial considerations to drive his decision, which the BOT willingly endorsed.
So, as you point out, what heritage fills the air in Oakland in October these days?

To this day, the Nordy’s and Gallagher’s of the world think people from Utah can muster a plan to fill Heinz. God only knows where the next genius will hail from. We only know for sure, it won’t be from Pitt.

Comment by wally 02.27.17 @ 4:40 pm

Pitt Dad – Yes, I know you weren’t advocating a win-at-all costs strategy employed by Louisville, I was just making the connection since the example is there. And although there was still a lot of control with regard to JD’s staff choices, I don’t doubt that the support was lacking as part of the problem; as Upitt pointed out, our administrative leadership wasn’t exactly stellar during his tenure…

Comment by 1618mt 02.27.17 @ 4:43 pm

@Upitt – where I went to school, the football stadium is and always has been miles from campus. It doesn’t seem to stop people from going to games, tailgating, and then going back to campus (where, by the way, parking is just as bad as in Oakland). I was a Pitt fan long before my sons ever attended. I’ve been to games at Heinz and come back to campus.

Would I prefer an on campus stadium? Yeah, I had a great time in 1974 going to homecoming. It was electric even for an old, beat-up stadium. But I was 21 and was still willing to sleep in a sleeping bag on a sorority floor.

Alumni, students and fans in general will come and keep coming back to see winning football/basketball/baseball, etc. no matter the venue. But no one goes out of their way for mediocrity. The Mets in the early 60s were fun even in losing – and losing badly and stupidly. The Mets in the late 70s were just boring.

Success should breed success but it needs fertilizer.


Comment by Pitt Dad 02.27.17 @ 4:50 pm

@1618 – couldn’t agree more. I guess I’m trying to say that without support, primarily financial, you have to look at our high points in football or basketball as right place, right time. As fans, the administration should level with us and just say that we will spend just enough to maintain our athletic commitments but not enough to reach the summit and stay there.

Comment by Pitt Dad 02.27.17 @ 5:02 pm

An On-Campus Stadium is coming. Just a matter of time.

They actually do hire workers to build such things.

Lots of them.

Comment by PittofDreams 02.27.17 @ 5:29 pm

We already know based on our Track Record…that Pitt will spend just enough to maintain our athletic commitments, but not enough to reach the summit and stay there.

And with us in the ACC, we have to field so many bad teams in the various olympic sports to keep them happy and their ACC money coming in to the

Comment by Emel 02.27.17 @ 5:30 pm

By the way… Chas looking forward to a thread or two dedicated this week to the NFL Combine.

Pretty strong representation by the SIX Pitt Invitees.

And finally the showdown some of been waiting for between Conner and some guy named Rushel.

Going to be VERY interesting to see who runs FASTER… or slower as the case might be.

Comment by PittofDreams 02.27.17 @ 5:37 pm

In Ben Howland’s first season he was 13-15 and 5-11 in the Big East. Someone must have left the cupboard bare….

As for Pitt Stadium, the fact is that Oakland is, how should I put this….., a crap hole with no parking. The North Shore has much more to do and better restaurants etc. with parking and tailgating area. The main problem is that it’s too large and it basically belongs to the Steelers.

But for the players is kinda neat, especially when it gets filled for ND, etc. Players also love for good reason the South Side practice facilities. Much better for recruiting IMO than a stadium built in 1925.

It is what it is though at this point….we’re beating a very dead horse. (No KS jokes UPitt) 😉

Comment by Jackagain 02.27.17 @ 5:52 pm

Jack – if the South Side practice facility is sooo good for recruiting, where is our 1st recruit for the new year?

Kansas has recruits committed as does Pauley from Wisky.

Pitt is in a low spot right now – we need a very good hire for the AD position.


Comment by Erie Express 02.27.17 @ 6:54 pm

45k stadium on Mon River next to Hot Metal Bridge.

Parking all along River and grow a newer nice and clean campus down there.

I’ve seen fields become booming retail and education centers in 12 months when stadiums are planted in there.

Comment by Upittbaseball 02.27.17 @ 7:03 pm

I’d take a scandal or two (Minor) like L’Ville to have the success they have had in Football and Basketball and Baseball and most sports.

Comment by Upittbaseball 02.27.17 @ 7:04 pm

Heinz Field… South Side Facilities… Close Proximity to Steelers… is… way OVER rated.

People who keep going on and on as to how being associated with the Steelers is such a BIG Draw for Recruits… must have never ventured into more traditional ON-CAMPUS Major Program environments.

What Pitt should really considering doing is INVESTING in a overall Campus improvement project… including a Multi-use OCS as a Centerpiece.

Comment by PittofDreams 02.27.17 @ 7:35 pm

If practicing next to a Pro Team and playing in a Pro Stadium were so important… Pitt would land far more Top Recruits from the WPIAL who obviously are just NOT that impressed with the Heinz experience.

Comment by PittofDreams 02.27.17 @ 7:42 pm

POD speaks the truth.

New AD must have serious interest in listening and analyzing the plans for an OCS. Again, the feasibility study will be presented this Fall to Pitt. We’ll see where it goes. And yes you dont hear about it because Pitt isnt commissioning it but is obviously THE player. The other players are the architects, engineers and construction companies that stand to benefit. They are the ones backing it.

Its positioned as a year round multi purpose facility/rec center. A focal point. A connection. A bridge between academics and athletics.

Comment by TX Panther 02.27.17 @ 8:24 pm

UPitt as to OCS, Hazelwood has Uber testing track, partner with them to build a stadium, test driverless vans or buses to transport fans to and from Oakland, private infrastructure investment, build a bike lane for our Mayor….nah too imaginative. Better off hiring Rockport CEO for AD.

Comment by rkb 02.27.17 @ 8:36 pm

RKB – We already have a driverless AD Dept. no one has been behind the wheel for 20 years.

Comment by Upittbaseball 02.27.17 @ 8:38 pm

Tex. … a bridge between academics…athletics …alumni!
AAA Stadium.

And a great point… if Heinz was so good a venue… why are we where we are?? Tearing down Pitt Stadium was indefensible then as it is now!

Pitt could go 11-0 and still draw 35,000 to Heinz.

Comment by Dan 72 02.27.17 @ 8:57 pm

We need a multi use domed stadium for all sports to use. As close to the main campus as possible. The students should not have to ride busses to an event. Light rail close by needed. Maybe along the river.

Comment by Frank MD 02.27.17 @ 9:01 pm

Interesting look at what Texas’major universities spend on sports c

Comment by Tony77019 02.27.17 @ 9:14 pm

Comment by Tony77019 02.27.17 @ 9:16 pm

Use 2nd link

Comment by Tony77019 02.27.17 @ 9:17 pm

The trouble is that Pitt can’t ever get an onsite campus stadium that compares with “more traditional ON-CAMPUS Major Program environments” because the campus is in Oakland. You can’t compare the situation to PSU, Clemson, ND, etc. that is sheer lunacy.

Just a few hours ago everyone was saying that Pitt is cheap and has 1/2 the money coming in from athletics and yet we need a feasibility study on an OCS in Oakland? LOL….

Here’s a quick study for ya…..we can’t afford it…..and even if we could the BoT wouldn’t spend it.

Instead we should be talking about something 10 times more feasible….like making a Final Four within 3 years or less.

Comment by Jackagain 02.27.17 @ 9:33 pm

I know a lot of ppl here won’t care cuz it’s optimism for the basketball program

But, there is a great article on pittsburgh sports now about our juco stud Jared Wilson frame

He talks about grit and toughness and already knows a cpl of freshman recruits

I for one can’t wait to see how the team responds next year!!

Comment by Keith 02.27.17 @ 9:37 pm

“The Steelers play at Heinz Field, which opened in 2001 at a cost of $357 million, with the Steelers putting up $76 million and taxpayers put on the hook for $281 million. PNC Park also opened in 2001 for the Pirates at a cost of $262 million with state taxpayers picking up $75 million, regional taxpayers $137 million and the Pirates $50 million. The Pirates’ share was partially paid by the $30 million PNC Bank gave them for naming rights to the predominantly publicly financed stadium.

H.J. Heinz paid the Steelers $57 million for 20 year naming rights to the football stadium, significantly defraying the Steelers’ costs, but not the taxpayers’ debt.

Ironically, before any public funding was committed, voters in Allegheny and surrounding counties voted more than two to one against the new sports facilities.” *(and that’s for the Steelers & Pirates!)

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* my comment

Question: How are you going to get State & Pittsburgh taxpayers to pick up 75% of the cost for a new Pitt OCS? For that matter, how are you going to get Pitt to pay the 25% even if the local politicians and taxpayers (most of which are PSU fans BTW) came up with the 75%?

I have a better chance of becoming the next POTUS.

Now on to that elusive Final Four….

Comment by Jackagain 02.27.17 @ 9:53 pm

Keith, let me be the first here to predict Pitt will be better next year with Stallings new players, Clark, and Luther playing all year.

Comment by Jackagain 02.27.17 @ 9:56 pm

Your a breath of fresh air!!!

Comment by Keith 02.27.17 @ 9:58 pm

Keith – let me be the 1st one to say we will be exactly where we are now at this time next year if not worse with KS as head coach and his recruits playing in their rookie season.

Furthermore the current kids on the roster will not progress one bit and will look and play exactly as they are this year.

I wish it were not so but HCKS’s history says that’s how things will shake out.

Comment by Tony in Harrisburg 02.27.17 @ 10:09 pm

Keith – Save your time and energy. Stalings sucks and
His players excite no one. If you are talented you arent coming to Pitt and a coach who won 4 games.

Jack – we built FAU’s stadium for cheap. A wealthy alumni if we had a real AD could easily get 50M to have their name on it.

Comment by Upittbaseball 02.27.17 @ 10:18 pm

UPitt….did you just say, a wealthy alumni and a real AD? You know we’re talking about Pitt, right?

They had a lot of flat land there, we don’t, and they already owned the land. It was a 70 million dollar stadium. Ours would cost a lot more and we don’t have the land.

Did you say a real AD? Here? lol

Comment by Jackagain 02.27.17 @ 10:41 pm

Of all Herman’s gaffes, the six year contract is the worst.
Who in their right mind would give Stallings six years?
Then, to reduce the buyout, cronyism, etc, etc. and OSU hired him away from us?
They have to have a lower IQ than we do.

Comment by Gasman 02.27.17 @ 10:44 pm

Even the University of Cincinnati has a better type sports complex than Pitt.

link to

Check it out. You have a nice Football Stadium, which was very old and they remodeled it like everyone else does. They have an nice looking baseball field/stadium and the nice bball arena, tennis courts etc.

Everyone has vision but our Dolt BoT and admins.

Comment by Emel 02.27.17 @ 10:59 pm

These guys aren’t even getting Power 5 money either.

Come on Pitt, get with it. It’s TIME !!!

Comment by Emel 02.27.17 @ 11:00 pm

If you want a legit program, you must go on campus, period. Those that are against it have been at Pitt for too long and have bought into the rhetoric as to why not.

This is not a taxpayer issue. Pitt has the money. In addition, with the new ACC money, they should easily be putting $10M a year towards construction. In 10 short years you have well over $100M. Combine that with a campus campaign to build a mix use stadium and we could be ready to go in 10 years.

Money is cheap right now. For the life of me, I can’t figure out why the university can’t have a “shelf type offering situation” for borrowing. It is highly innovative and most universities are not smart enough to do this type of financing. Easy to put up $200M – $500M. The money is available if you do it right. The payback is generations of alumni and city folks that bond to Pitt.

Naysayers are Pederson and Nordie supporters. Pitt was passed by 40 schools. You have to compete in athletics and academics in order to get the big payoff.

Comment by Huff 02.27.17 @ 11:04 pm

The juco kid is only avg 14 ppg so that translates to about 7 ppg at an ACC school.

Nix and Uchebo tore up juco too.

Comment by Emel 02.27.17 @ 11:13 pm

Comment by Emel 02.27.17 @ 11:14 pm

Pitt doesn’t want to go in debt 200 million for 8 games a year that 30K people go to and maybe a concert or 2 a year.

And Pitt doesn’t have the money…

Cyanide & Nordie supporters? LOL….talk ab0ut a strawman argument…

Comment by Jackagain 02.27.17 @ 11:15 pm

The naysayers are committing Pitt to mediocrity for eternity.

Hey but some enjoy that.

Comment by Emel 02.27.17 @ 11:16 pm

6 year deal! Rockports, God Bless him may not be alive in 6 years. It isnt like he is 30.

Comment by Upittbaseball 02.27.17 @ 11:17 pm

Pitt should be loaded we had the worst facilities in the Big East and ACC. Someone is hiding about 1.2B somewhere.

Comment by Upittbaseball 02.27.17 @ 11:19 pm

They went into upwards of $200 debt for a bball arena, that they get less than 9000 for 6 or 7 games a year and less than 6000 for the rest.

Comment by Emel 02.27.17 @ 11:19 pm

Emel – 3.20.17. Dinner in Charlotte my treat.

Comment by Upittbaseball 02.27.17 @ 11:19 pm

upwards of $200 mil ^

And that will be less than 7500 as ShoeSalesman stays longer.

Less than 4000 for the non-con rent-a-wins. Or losses. lol

Comment by Emel 02.27.17 @ 11:21 pm

Would that be at the Men’s Club :)

Comment by Emel 02.27.17 @ 11:23 pm

You want space….tear down old TRees Hall and Fitzgerald and that parking garage up there.

There you have a nice OCS overlooking the entire campus and the new Giant Panther head can spy down on the COL.

Comment by Emel 02.27.17 @ 11:26 pm

You do a Natatorium under the OCS, instead of 1964 ancient Trees Pool.

Must be the worst pool in the ACC without a doubt.
Other than maybe BC.

Comment by Emel 02.27.17 @ 11:28 pm

Pitt should be ashamed of some of these ancient decrepit facilities, they host sporting events in.

Comment by Emel 02.27.17 @ 11:29 pm

And then we can put in some cable cars to haul the lard asses up the hill to the new OCS.

It will give the campus some charm, which it sorely needs.

Comment by Emel 02.27.17 @ 11:33 pm

Even Stallings says the “Cupboard is Bare!”

“We certainly have some weaknesses. We have some challenges on our roster relative to things that a lot of people have that we don’t…”

Kevin Stallings
Trib Review

Comment by PittofDreams 02.28.17 @ 5:12 am

AMAZING transformation!

Conner “Lean ‘n Mean” for the Combine.

link to

Comment by PittofDreams 02.28.17 @ 5:23 am

How fast will he run? No takers?

Comment by PittofDreams 02.28.17 @ 5:24 am

Of course I’m a taker –

Put me down for a 4.49 – he appears to be in the BEST shape of his Pitt career.

For us working stiffs, if anyone captures the video of Conner’s combine efforts, please share them with us all.

Predict that R. Shell will clock a 4.6

Comment by Erie Express 02.28.17 @ 5:35 am

Hopefully E.Price worked out with the same trainer that Conner used – results could be similar with selections in rounds 3 or 4 for the NFL draft.

Prediction – both get selected by Seattle – seems to be the perfect fit for both. IMO

Comment by Erie Express 02.28.17 @ 5:54 am

4.63 Upitt

Comment by Upittbaseball 02.28.17 @ 7:49 am

POD – that sounds better than Stallings admitting he sucks.

Comment by Upittbaseball 02.28.17 @ 8:06 am

Stallings has been blaming the players since we started loosing. Some of you actually believe they are the root of all of the teams problems.

Remember that time when John Wooden said “We lost tonight because these guys won’t listen to me!”? No? I don’t either.

Comment by Tony in Harrisburg 02.28.17 @ 8:42 am

@Huff – I don’t believe Pitt (which is not an SEC registrant) is eligible for a shelf offering.

link to

Comment by Pitt Dad 02.28.17 @ 8:54 am

The class coming in does not suck. They have two borderline 4 star players that are 4 stars on some sites and 3 stars on others. If Rivals bumps them up to 4 stars, Pitt has a top 15 class. It’s why these rankings can be dumb. Both are very high 3 stars which doesn’t translate to rankings.

They need two top 50 players between the 2018 and 2019 classes to make this team a legit contender down the road. It’s very much a foundation class and won’t win much on it’s own. Next year will be rough. Very rough.

I’ve seen Aaron Thompson in person 3 times now this season. He is very good. I get to see a lot of great HS ball in my neck of the woods and a lot D1 talent and D1 talent that goes to Duke, UNC, Georgetown etc. He stacks up.

Paul VI is down the road from me. I saw Manigault (same HS) last year as well and, even last year, you could tell Aaron Thompson was the better player. I was thrilled when Pitt offered. Manigault was always going to be a kid who needed to develop. Thompson will be better out of the gate. Probably shouldn’t be starting, even though he will be, but Pitt fans are going to love him. Ice cold competitor. High basketball IQ.

Comment by Tossing Thabeets 02.28.17 @ 10:08 am

Hope some of our current running backs are sharing Conner’s workouts.

Who would have thought joining the ACC would mean the demise of Pitt Basketball?

At least Football seems to be heading in the right direction. This year will tell us a lot since it is the transition year from Chryst’s to Narduzzi’s recruits.

Comment by gc 02.28.17 @ 10:12 am

Good to hear TT, recruiting is our only hope. The big question is will we get those top 50 guys that you absolutely must have to be competitive in the ACC? Then will the coaching be good enough or do we end up like NCST?

Comment by gc 02.28.17 @ 10:17 am

GC – Coaching? You mean Stallings actually coaches? I see him on the bench disinterested in even being there.

He had 2 NBA Draft Picks on the same team and couldn’t win a game in the tourney.

Comment by Upittbaseball 02.28.17 @ 10:31 am

Keep the excuses coming Rockports. Cover your ass and blame everyone else.

“To be able to be talking about the NCAA Tournament — that we’re even mentioned — and talking about being .500 in the greatest year (in ACC history) is a modern miracle and the eighth wonder of the world,” he said. “If you told me that in the summer, you’d have to be checked out.” Stallings said competing in the ACC, which has seven ranked teams in the Associated Press Top 25 poll, has been difficult for Pitt (15-14, 4-12).

Comment by Upittbaseball 02.28.17 @ 10:47 am

KS should have made the tournament with this team. Dixon would have, which isn’t saying much. He totally F’ed up a chance to get this team going.

Pitt won’t fire KS unless they hire a great AD with a big name…which won’t happen.

Comment by notrocketscience 02.28.17 @ 10:47 am

As for recruiting, compared to what Dixon recruited before fired, KS’s class looks incredible. Again, that isn’t saying much.

Comment by notrocketscience 02.28.17 @ 10:55 am

Pitt athletics is teetering on the brink. They are a Mark Dantonio heart attack away from irrelevance. The BOT would then complete the hat trick and hire Charlie Weis. Then we could all walk away in peace.

Comment by wally 02.28.17 @ 10:59 am

gc – yeah. The one consistent thing with NCAA winners is that they have at least 2 top 50 recruits on the roster. Pitt’s elite 8 team had Blair and Sam Young who were both just outside the top 50. You don’t need all Americans. In fact, you’re better off with the kids 25-50 as they generally stay 3 years instead of 1-2 like the All Americans. The All Americans are great for generating excitement but very few coaches can run a consistent program with them. You need a team with very good role players, two top 50 talents with one go to player.

Comment by Tossing Thabeets 02.28.17 @ 11:00 am

wally – people vastly overestimate the MSU connection. He was a Dantoni loyalist, not a MSU loyalist. Not saying it couldn’t happen as he’d be one of the first calls but, historically, MSU and Pitt are sister schools. Very similar histories of mediocrity. I’d think Narduzzi would be more likely to leave for a major program than a mid-P5 program that’s really a lateral move or minor upgrade.

Comment by Tossing Thabeets 02.28.17 @ 11:37 am

Tossing, understood and agree. I was using Dantonio as a recognizable placeholder to try and illustrate the point that, as this point in time, HCPN is the ONLY thing between Pitt Athletics and the pitchforks. The BOT should be act accordingly and with a sense of urgency

Comment by Wally 02.28.17 @ 11:54 am

It took 8 years for Stallings to have a winning conference record in the weaker SEC.

A quick builder of programs he is not.

Caretaker/undertaker more likely.

Comment by Emel 02.28.17 @ 12:22 pm

A Funeral Home career awaits.

Comment by Emel 02.28.17 @ 12:27 pm

The problem with an OCS that seats 45K is that if it ever happens when we play ND, Pedos or WVU the game will be moved to Heinz Field so that they can sell 70K tickets like we did last Sept 10 and our “Home Field” atmosphere will disappear like we used to move the big games form old Pitt Stadium to pathetic 3 Rivers.

Comment by Panther Fan in Hoopieland 02.28.17 @ 12:40 pm

If the fans don’t start showing up we will lose Narduzzi in a couple years. We need an AD that can market, not boast about selling tickets to PS fans and calls the fans noise. Should not be difficult to canvas the upper decks and get 50-55,000 in the stands every week. A filled lower bowl and better camera angles would make a world of difference. Promotions like fireworks, bobbleheads, and t-shirts always work. How about a classic bobblehead series with the Pitt Greats, a real collectors item.
Some autographed and certified, to the first 5000 fans, get kids in the seats early.

Get creative.

Comment by gc 02.28.17 @ 1:28 pm

Everybody always talking about we got football to look foward too thats cool if your a Pitt Football fan. I’m strictly basketball I’ve been a fan since 2002 or so ever since Chevy Troutman played he was a good friend of my wife and I from our hometown. I don’t want to mention my favorite college football team it might offend some people on here lol. My point is basketball is what I look foward to and it is just plain embarassing from what it was in the big east now its so bad I forget to watch games before I would plan everything around pitt basketball so when you guys talk about football on a basketball post thats when you know nobody cares about this BBall program anymore the fans are dissapearing fast.

Comment by PittPanFan 02.28.17 @ 2:32 pm

These idiots can’t even get the game camera’s positioned on the other side of the field, so that the Fuller Home side of the Field, is shown on TV.

3 Stooges running this ?

Comment by Emel 02.28.17 @ 3:17 pm

The first litmus test for the new AD should be, does Narduzzi like the guy? We lose him and I’ll be spending the next 20 years watching the Golf Channel. (Steelers can’t beat NE)

Comment by Jackagain 02.28.17 @ 5:47 pm

Nard Dog likes Tressell

Comment by TX Panther 02.28.17 @ 8:30 pm

Fans disappear when the experience isnt fun anymore. When its actually painful to watch.

Pitt basketball should not be watched tonight on TV. But many will because its an abusive relationship.

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