January 25, 2017

The Stuff of Legends

Filed under: Basketball — Chas @ 7:05 am

In the future — no I don’t know when, exactly — when Pitt basketball is better. When this year has receded a bit into history. Pitt will have a bad game. They will lose by double digits. It won’t be pretty. A flat out bad loss.

Somewhere, whether on Twitter, a message board, a blog, or some other social media outlet not yet in existence. Someone will go off on a hyperbolic rant on the team, player and coaches. Insisting that that game was the worst ever. That that team just gave up and that no Pitt team has ever quit like that before.

And that person will be wrong. Oh, so wrong. Because last night. On January 24, 2017. At the Pete. Against Louisville. This Pitt team set the standard of quitting by which all other Pitt basketball teams will be judged.

It’s an accomplishment. Something we can tell future generations. We were alive for it. We saw it. Whether on our TV, our computer — though, judging by pictures of the attendance, very few can claim this — or even live.

Drew or the kid at GT are WAY BETTER coaches and we didn’t move on either because that Pumpkin Headed Son of a Bitch was hired by Gallagher and immediately I said that Turd and his 11 wives will miss Utah or PNW and move back before 24 months. He made it 16.

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.26.17 @ 2:52 pm

A little Pitt Football.

Going back to his first Starts under Chryst, I’ve been extremely critical of Adam Bisnowaty. Gone so far as to call him OVER-rated as an Offensive Tackle.

Seems the NFL agrees. Bisnowaty has been moved to Guard at the Senior Bowl.

Now there he has a chance.

Comment by PittofDreams 01.26.17 @ 3:04 pm

Blackout for Clem with free T shirts.
Then UNC, Duke and BC on road as we fight for the ACC basement.

Comment by Frank MD 01.26.17 @ 3:21 pm

This should provide some insight into the complete disarray within the athletic department:

Just received an email from the coach touting how important Saturdays game is and how much they need our attendance. Makes sense right? Show a little love. Let the boosters know all is OK and under control.

Email was from Narduzzi.

You can’t make this shit up.

Comment by wally 01.26.17 @ 3:59 pm

Apparently Stallings couldn’t find time on his busy schedule to write one himself. Odd. He clearly had 90 minutes of unscheduled downtime Tuesday night. Instead of pouting he could have made better use of that time don’t ya think?

Comment by wally 01.26.17 @ 4:14 pm

At what point does Gallagher get the BLAME?

Comment by PittofDreams 01.26.17 @ 4:22 pm

Pitt just damned themselves on Saturday for bball. Every time they do one of the special events and giveaways they lose the game.

@Upitt I don’t think you’d have been all that happy with Pastner either. Other than being far younger than Rockports he had a fair to poor history and was thought by some to be on his way out. It’s a shame Brian Gregory had such a poor record overall at GT since he recruited much of the current roster. Gregory had some good years at UD, but couldn’t seem to pull it together at GT.

Comment by Barvo 01.26.17 @ 4:52 pm

at what point do we get a OC??

Comment by goalie44 01.26.17 @ 5:09 pm

PoD – blame for what? Pitt basketball has been coming to a crossroads for a few years now. At face value, it’s just a bad season. The third one in the 2000’s. We like to make a lot of it in the moment but it’s really just a bunch of checked out seniors under a new coach. This is a very hard season to judge Stallings on because we all know how this team was under Jaime … madly frustrating. A team that was marked by being stagnant in development. Is it really surprising they are regressing this year? 2017 was always going to be bad and the first true rebuild this century. The 2017 class this staff has assembled is quietly solid so a foundation is there. The importance of 2018 recruiting cannot be overstated. The cliff dive happened a year sooner than most expected but it was always on the horizon. This team will lose the 4 seniors … and possibly (hopefully) more kids next year. I’m not really worried about the culture carrying over. There will be so much turnover and only the ones who truly want to be Pitt Panthers will stay. Everyone wants to lay blame but it’s just a natural cycle that was probably long overdue. Beginning with the 2012 team, the culture has been amiss. A rip and replace approach is probably a good thing long term. This is neither a pro or anti Stallings post. I just hope whatever Pitt does they do it with long term stability on their mind. That means if they keep Stallings, giving him a few years to fix this mess. If it means cutting him loose, then Pitt better have learned it’s lesson from last year.

Comment by Tossing Thabeets 01.26.17 @ 5:14 pm

I predict pitt loses half its season ticket base next year. It has already eroded significantly. Even if you think ks deserves a chance he is in such a deep hole he is going to have to turn it around quickly. Everyone knows he was hired in a corrupt insider manner. He takes no responsibility for the debalce this year. He quit on Tuesday then blames players for lack of leadership last time I checked he was coach.

Comment by Steve 01.26.17 @ 5:33 pm

I can judge Rockports by looking at him and his bad suits. He reeks of an avg old pap who just wants to draw a check.

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.26.17 @ 6:59 pm

Seeing it first-hand, I can say confidently it was the worst performance by a D1 basketball team in a very, very, long time. I’d say it was disgraceful, but that would be an insult to the word.

Stallings isn’t and never will be the answer. The new AD needs to be given the authority to write-off the absolute failure of a hire by the 1 year wonder of an AD who should be sued by Pitt for dereliction of duties and stealing paychecks.

Dixon also needs to be taken to task. There isn’t a single player on that bench with any potential. Nix makes Pitt look like a laughing stock when he’s on the court. Jamie left this team totally bereft of talent, other than 2 seniors apparently with attitude issues. Wilson can’t defend or shoot, Manigault is limited in almost every aspect of the game, and the freshman PG is too small (height and weight) to play D1.

I have two more games to suffer through and that will likely be it for me and Pitt BB until they do something to warrant my support.

Comment by Taxing Matters 01.26.17 @ 7:12 pm

Tossing… they lost by 55@ And, oh yes… the Coach CUT BAIT and RAN while the Battle was still going on.

Similar to you, I’ve been a GUARDED Stallings Supporter.

But walking out on YOUR Team while it’s being beaten by HISTORIC margins. That’s like a Field General sounding the Alarm for RETREAT and he’s the only One on the Battlefield in a position to do it.

No, this was pretty much DIFFERENT than anything witnessed prior (see Chas).

Comment by PittofDreams 01.26.17 @ 7:41 pm

And yes… Gallagher is ULTIMATELY to Blame.

He was the one who signed off on paying 100K PLUS to the Search Firm owned by Barnes’ friend Todd Turner who had Stallings on Speed Dial in his Phone.

Comment by PittofDreams 01.26.17 @ 7:55 pm

Barney has made Sir Patrick G look bad several times, including these next few weeks while he is on Pitt’s payroll while “out of the office” having a minor surgical proceedure (on Pitt I’m sure).

Comment by Erie Express 01.26.17 @ 8:14 pm

Problems in Dook Land too….

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Comment by Jackagain 01.26.17 @ 8:18 pm

I find it refreshing that our coach is calling out our cry baby seniors!!!

Our coach is limited with this crap of a roster

I would love to hear some coaches that you guess THINK would want to come to our awesome situation?!

Please enlighten me!!!

Comment by Keith 01.26.17 @ 8:20 pm

Keith, if only he didn’t pull an ELVIS… and leave the Building.

Comment by PittofDreams 01.26.17 @ 8:32 pm

Here’s a possible theory I’ve haven’t much off…could it be that Pitt did offer plenty of up-and-comers in the coaching ranks (like Miller at Dayton) and they all turned us down?

A new AD would never let that info out. Maybe all we could get is a washed up old coach to come here. I mean, the Athletic Dept. at Pitt is always known to be among the worst in the nation. They have been cheap with Dixon as far as assistants and the distance they could recruit.

Comment by Jackagain 01.26.17 @ 8:33 pm

Jack – Sean and Archie declined Pitt’s requests. I know that for a fact.

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.26.17 @ 8:46 pm

The 55 point game is historically bad. No doubt. It’s also just one game in one season. As optimistic as I can be I’ve said several times to expect a bad season. This group of players just doesn’t get it. They never have. They lost one player last season. The bench is not great but it’s not as bad as Stallings leads us to believe. A decent coach would get something.

I’ll tell you what though. If Hoiberg is fired in Chicago, Pitt should pay whatever he wants to come here. That’s the HR hire Pitt needs.

Comment by Tossing Thabeets 01.26.17 @ 8:56 pm

Don’t give Gallagher a pass. The talk is right on. But we didn’t compete with LSU to keep Canada, did we? We made money on Dixon’s exit. We went cheap (I hope so) to hire Stallings. What’s so different from the Nordenberg/Pederson era? Pederson hired his friends to design the Robo dinosaur that still adorns Pitt’s athletic image. Nordenberg cost Pitt a fortune extending Pederson. Barnes’ leaving is a direct reflection on Gallagher’s hiring acumen.

So stop crying and lameting the terrible state of basketball. It’s time for Pitt to open the books for all to see. You say you want a championship program. But what kind of program are you paying for??

Comment by Tony77019 01.26.17 @ 8:57 pm

UPitt, thus my point….and I never mentioned Sean.

How does a guy at Dayton turn down a job at a Power 5 school for more money in the ACC unless that school is toxic?

Comment by Jackagain 01.26.17 @ 9:05 pm

I think the problem is the BOT. Bunch of old school out of date dinosaurs themselves.

Comment by Tommymac 01.26.17 @ 9:30 pm

Tony – Pitt offered $1M. Look at this list from last year. Only 11 schools (LSU x 2) were in that club.

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7 SEC, ND, Baylor, Clemson and Louisville gave their assistants $1m or more. Michigan joined the club just recently. Pitt would have been in a select group. The school is invested in the football program.

Dixon’s salary was 7th in the country. Not cheap either. Stallings is most likely in that area as well and has a 6 year contract.

Barnes f’d up the basketball hire. No one is arguing that. Barnes is also now leaving. Pitt has a chance to correct the mistake or live with it for a few years.

Dixon is very popular in coaching circles and the way he left (gently pushed) did did not help Pitt’s candidate pool. By not giving B-Knight a real shot, he alienated former players … the link to Pitt’s heyday. The next AD is going to have his work cut out for him to get the basketball program humming again. Holberg would be a great start …

Comment by Tossing Thabeets 01.26.17 @ 9:38 pm

When he got himself kicked out Tuesday night HCKS lost the greater Pittsburgh fan base.

We can tolerate a lot…but quitting is not allowed at all.

Pittsburgh fans will suffer through losing seasons…but only if they think the players and coaches show they are working hard and doing the best they can regardless of the circumstances. (See Roosevelt Nix as to how one should act – he is the antithesis of HCKS.)

Getting kicked out the way he did, instead of suffering with the players on the bench, goes against the grain of the hard working Western PA sports character and mythology.

He lost his job then and there, whether it is next week, this spring or in a year or two.

He violated one of the prime tenets of the Western PA culture – he gave up in the face of adversity.

Comment by Tommymac 01.26.17 @ 9:49 pm

Tommymac – Can’t argue that.

Comment by Tossing Thabeets 01.26.17 @ 9:59 pm

I heard Stallings on the FAN tonight and he said he had a problem with that ref before dating back to 2012. He argued Jeter fowling out when Pitt was down 40. He told the ref it was a fowl, but that he should have let it go.

The ref got nasty and that was it….

Comment by Jackagain 01.26.17 @ 10:40 pm

1618, if I was talking to you I’d address you. Now go get your shine box.

Comment by Nick 01.26.17 @ 10:47 pm

Kevin said it was the refs fault? Sure why not.

The players don’t get what he’s saying, we are not deep or talented, they don’t communicate. He has told this team that they suck 15 different way (some of you are buying this line of BS) because it can’t possible be anything he’s done wrong.

Someone else is always at fault for his problems.

He’s just being honest…..

I have an old friend who could never hold onto a job more than a weeks because the 100’s of places who employed him ALL had tons of issues and things wrong with how THEY wanted things done. Fortunately for them they didn’t sign him to a 6 year contract.

Comment by Tony in Harrisburg 01.26.17 @ 11:07 pm

Tossing – He gets 1.5 at LSU and Pitt offered 1M only after he got the LSU offer. No Proactiveness

Jack – Archie honestly felt it is a step
Down from UD. We are all
Friends. He will be in ACC
Or at OSU in 2 years.

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.26.17 @ 11:45 pm

That’s what I’m saying, no one wanted this job!, pitt fans have to realize that!

Archie or Sean are not walking throughout that door!

We’ve become average to quickly becoming below average program fast

Can we recover? Who knows, I know this, I wouldn’t want to coach here with all the fair weather fans who don’t support the university they “supposovly” love!

Comment by Keith 01.26.17 @ 11:52 pm

Look at programs like Iowa st, Nebraska, Minnesota, New Mexico,(those are a few I could think of) these are all teams who fill there arenas because the support and live their university

Pittsburgh will only support a winner

Pitt had 1,000’s of “fans” on the waiting list to get to see a game at the PETE……they gone!


Comment by Keith 01.26.17 @ 11:59 pm

Keith – The only hope is a true up and comer who falls in love and decides to stay or you get a huggy bear type
Guy mid 40’s and wants to settle down.

The word on the street it Pitt doesnt support coaches for salaries etc. plus big league it. Jamie is getting all that at TCU and private jets.

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.27.17 @ 12:08 am

No Keith – the product Pitt was putting on the court was pathetic for ~ $1600 for 2 season tickets a year. The opponents in Nov/Dec were boring…and it was obvious something was wrong recruiting wise.

Pittsburghers are not rich and there are a lot of options for recreational dollars…I do not blame anyone for dropping their season tickets.

We will not be renewing men’s bball for 2017/18 unless the price drops substantially. I am pissed they offer specials and better seats for ACC games after the fall ticket window closed. Not once has the ticket office called us or emailed us to offer us those better seats; or at least give us a free seat or two in one of the high profile games to make up for it. Our club number is high – no one called us pre season to tell us that we couldl have gotten better seats because the Pete was not sold out.


Comment by Tommymac 01.27.17 @ 12:18 am

I can’t imagine seeing more than 1-2 hoop games a year either slogball or losing by 50 ball but glad you support them TommyMac. Better man than me.

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.27.17 @ 12:25 am

Any word on a new AD, OC, HC of BBall, janitor at CoL ?

Any word on anything ? Inquiring Pitt minds want to know.

New Prez is redesigning the whole country in less than a week.

Pitt not so much 🙁

Comment by EMel 01.27.17 @ 12:40 am

Thanks. Just love bball – was raised on Tobacco Road.

But I will not support a coach who disrespects the game. HCKS disrespected the game, the fans, the players, the university and the region Tuesday night.

Comment by Tommymac 01.27.17 @ 12:50 am

Tommymac, I’m hearing you. Multiple decades of 4-8 tickets has my group down to 2 and wondering why we pay so much for so little. Athletic department has never been “user friendly” but last few years has been awful.

Comment by Lastrowofsection4 01.27.17 @ 5:17 am

Gallagher is no Trump. He doesn’t even know that Barnes is using him. And Pitt. Chancellors aren’t CEO types. They operate in the academic world where, if your over budget, you simply raise tuition. Just like the government simply raises taxes. There is no such thing as accountability in their world. They can’t sell tickets and can’t figure out why. An amazing display of incompetence. In the business world, they would “claw back” the money they paid Barnes. Gallagher will no doubt offer him a golden parachute. Pathetic.

Comment by Wally 01.27.17 @ 7:28 am

TommyMac right there with you…on both the tickets…I get pissed they never offer the season tickets holders those closer seats when they resell them….and about Stallings getting kicked out of the game…chicken sh#t move.

Comment by milobloom 01.27.17 @ 11:11 am

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