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September 17, 2016

Open Thread: Pitt-Oklahoma St.

Filed under: Football,Open Thread — Chas @ 9:01 am

3:30 pm

ESPN

Morning. Going to put this up early because I have a lot to do before gametime. Heck, I still don’t know what beer I’ll be enjoying with the game. Just a lack of preparation on my part.

Here’s some alt-history to consider. After Pitt fired Foge Fazio as coach in 1985, the first place they looked was to Oklahoma St. head coach Pat Jones.

“I don’t know what would have happened,” [present OSU head coach Mike] Gundy said. “I liked Pat Jones. He was the reason why I came to Oklahoma State. If he takes the Pittsburgh job, he probably would have taken me up there with him.”

Rewind to November 1985, a few days after Gundy led Midwest City to the Class 5A state title:

Jones was OSU’s second-year head coach. Pittsburgh fired coach Foge Fazio. As OSU prepared for the Bedlam game (the infamous Ice Bowl), Jones was contacted by a Pitt representative about the Panthers’ job. At the time, the Cowboys were 8-2 and ranked 17th. Jones’ two-season record as the OSU head man was 18-4.

“I told the Pittsburgh people, ‘I don’t want to even think about it until after this OU ballgame,’ ” Jones recalls. “I did let them know that I would be interested and I did want to talk, but I didn’t want to talk yet. I told them to call Myron Roderick (then the OSU athletic director) because I didn’t want any under-the-table stuff going on.”

Jones admits to having been “intrigued” by the Pittsburgh possibility. Before moving to OSU with Jimmy Johnson in 1979, Jones had been a Jackie Sherrill assistant at Pittsburgh for one season.

After the Ice Bowl (a 13-0 Cowboy defeat), Jones met with the Pittsburgh athletic director in Dallas.

“My head was spinning,” Jones says. “ We were getting ready to play Florida State in Gator Bowl, we were recruiting and now we had this Pittsburgh thing. I was worn down. I was thinking, ‘Do I really want to do this?’ ”

OSU was having a run of coaching instability. Jimmy Johnson had came and went, and Jones was only in his 2d season. That prompted the OSU President to step in with a new contract for Jones and keep him in Stillwater.

If you are wondering why there is harping on Oklahoma’s lack of a running game. There is the historical nature of running backs at OSU. But it also stems from statements Gundy made after last season and during practices leading up to the season about committing to run the ball more. That just hasn’t happened.

Remember, too, that one major narrative entering the season focused on OSU’s commitment to become a better rushing team following two straight seasons of distressing decline in the run game. The Cowboys ranked No. 113 nationally in rushing a year ago. This season, albeit through just two weeks, they’re at No. 116, averaging 97 yards per game.

Used to be that 97 yards might represent a good half, individually even when it came to Barry Sanders or Thurman Thomas or Terry Miller or Ernest Anderson, even Kendall Hunter and Joseph Randle and Vernand Morency more recently.

It’s not like OSU’s current collection of backs has already been deemed lacking. None have been given a proper audition, at least in games. Despite the pledge to run the ball better, the Cowboys are running the ball less.

And don’t forget the offensive line’s place in the discussion, with much of the recent years’ struggles attributed to the men up front, who are working with their third position coach in four years.

I don’t know if OSU really will come out and try the run the ball to start, but if they do I like Pitt to stop them right away. While Pitt is very vulnerable to the passing game, getting the Cowboys to go one-dimensional improves Pitt’s chances at defending it better. At least in theory.

There’s no question that OSU will pass the ball a lot. That’s what Pitt is expecting.

“They like to chuck it deep, so we will be ready for that,” Pitt coach Pat Narduzzi said. “There are a bunch of different coverage adjustments we’re going to have to make. They’re fast, and their wideouts can play … There are some different things we need to do coverage-wise to eliminate the big plays.”

That downfield threat will keep Pitt’s defensive backs alert all game.

“It scares ya. If they connect on a few of those, they change the game,” Narduzzi said. “You can stop the run, stop the run. But those corners have a tough job locking up down there and doing their job.”

Just as OSU knows that Pitt will run the ball plenty.

Widely believed to be an area of strength heading into the season, the defensive line has delivered. It has been disruptive and disciplined in the first two games.

And in that group, no one is playing better than Motekiai Maile.

“He’s been a force,” Cowboy coach Mike Gundy said. “It’s been tough to move him.”

But on Saturday, Maile and the entire defensive line will be pushed like never before. Not only does Pitt have a power run game unlike anything OSU normally sees in the Big 12, but the Panthers also have gigantic and talented offensive linemen.

Three of the starters were on preseason award watch lists, and among the starters, center Alex Officer is the little guy at 6-foot-4, 335 pounds.

Things OSU fans/media will be watching to see will include the running game stopping Pitt’s and seeing if OSU’s can get on track, the big plays — which have actually been lacking in the first two games. And most importantly, the mood of OSU players and coaches after a week of not seemingly letting go of their CMU loss and the role the refs played.

Pitt, with a win will really start getting attention, nationally. Going from darkhorse/one of several possible contenders to win the ACC Coastal to sudden co-favorite with UNC. That would suddenly make next week’s game at Chapel Hill a remarkably early (potentially) deciding game for the division. But that is definitely getting ahead of things.





Going to be a war in Cinci with Burfect back.

Comment by gc 09.18.16 @ 3:16 pm

Narduzzi is still learning to be a head coach

Lesson 1. Check weatherforecast. Bring correct shoes. Err on the side of having 2 pairs!

Lesson 2. Fit your system to your players. Not your players to your system. Playing corners “man up” and zoning your DBacks …tall quick receivers vs Pitt smurfs is insanity!

Last but not least….I have a large big screen tv. On 3 occasions an OkSt player was all alone w NO Pitt defender in sight. I don’t care what system you play, that should NEVER happen!

Comment by Dan 72 09.18.16 @ 3:57 pm

Narduzzi is still learning to be a head coach

Lesson 1. Check weatherforecast. Bring correct shoes. Err on the side of having 2 pairs!

Lesson 2. Fit your system to your players. Not your players to your system. Playing corners “man up” and zoning your DBacks …tall quick receivers vs Pitt smurfs is insanity!

Last but not least….I have a large big screen tv. On 3 occasions an OkSt player was all alone w NO Pitt defender in sight. I don’t care what system you play, that should NEVER happen!

Comment by Dan 72 09.18.16 @ 3:57 pm

The bad news, north Carolina scored 56 points and trubisky threw for 432 yards. The good news, they gave up 488 yards to James Madison

Comment by grizzly1 09.18.16 @ 5:25 pm

The pink locker room at Iowa didn’t seem to bother the Division 2 Bison of North Dakota State yesterday.

That was another game Pitt could have won in the long long history of could of and would of.

Comment by Emel 09.18.16 @ 7:16 pm

How come only Pitt always seems to not have the right cleats on.

I remember so many of these gaffes, over the last 32 years, it’s unbelievable.

I think the most recent time (and I might have missed one or two) was the Paulie team at Navy…slip sliding away a couple seasons ago.

Pitt football since 1984…One Big Oy Vey

Comment by Emel 09.18.16 @ 7:20 pm

Well 4 star DL Donavan Jeter had set his commitment date for Halloween. After visiting Notre Dame this weekend he tweeted forget Halloween, tomorrow is a big day.

I had him pegged as a Pitt lock. I can’t say I feel that way anymore. Kid spends weekend in South Bend and he’s ready to commit? Can that possibly bode well for Pitt?

Guess we’ll find out, as early as tomorrow perhaps…

Comment by Pap76 09.18.16 @ 9:38 pm

Pap76 – both nd and Pitt lost over the weekend to good P5 teams. Pitt could of and should of won. But nd was crushed until a desperate comeback closed a large gap to within one score as time ran out.

Jeter witnessed the nd game – maybe the Leprechaun in the green jump suit convinced him of his choice.

Who knows? But we’ll soon find out which school this 17 year old Dlineman wants to further his education with (play now or ride the pine).

Choices – it’s great to be in America – we have many coming our way in the next few months. I for one will boycott the NFL for their snubbing of the 5 Dallas police officers (memorial denied the Cowboys).

If back-up QB Kap can kneel during the National Anthem to make a political statement (free speech), why not afford the Cowboys this memorial?

NFL – No For Leprechauns – I think I’ll entertain myself with other things. The league won’t miss me…

Comment by Erie Express 09.19.16 @ 4:19 am

@Erie Express

If it weren’t for fantasy football I really don’t think I’d pay an ounce of attention to the NFL. I’ve always been a college football guy, but I find the NFL and it’s athletes almost unbearable anymore…

Comment by Pap76 09.19.16 @ 5:18 am

On his twitter, HCPN indicated a new commit last Monday …. maybe it was Jeter

Comment by wbb 09.19.16 @ 6:41 am

An equipment manager that forgets to bring the appropriate spikes should be fired.

Hard enough to win on the road without that kind of blunder.

As much as the D-B play was obviously poor, The OK ST line play won the game. Their O-line protected their QB better than ours, and their D-line applied pressure better than ours. Their D-line also did a very good job slowing down our running game.

If Kelly gets Jeter, it really is time to start questioning Narduzzi’s recruiting prowess. Kelly will own WPA this year and already has a major start on next year with Jurkovec.

I do not remember this type of dominance in the WPIAL by anyone but Pitt.

Comment by gc 09.19.16 @ 7:34 am

What happened to the 412 Crew? They moved to Indiana.

Comment by gc 09.19.16 @ 7:36 am

Funny how this week everyone is talking about Pitt’s Passing Game… or LACK thereof.

You know, the one Narduzzi intentionally kept “under wraps” during the Penn State Game?

And to think I was getting accused of not being a true fan by a couple members of the “Blather Thought Police” for simply calling Narduzzi out for his little non-truth told to the media.

How far we’ve come in just one week.

Comment by PittofDreams 09.19.16 @ 7:37 am

gc – I disagree on your recruiting comments. Let’s wait until signing day to judge our HC. Last year he did make us proud.

Offensive scheme thought:

During the OK State game, I noticed that when Conner and either QH or JW were on the field together, the D had to account for both “threats”. When only one of the three was on the field, the D could focus their effort on stopping that “threat” and they did.

O’Canada better see that on the film and adjust. Pitt only has three offensive “threats” and at least two MUST be on the field together for our O to be effective.

Pretty simple until we recruit more “threats”.

Hammer the Heels!

HTP!

Comment by Erie Express 09.19.16 @ 9:57 am

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