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November 2, 2015

Offensive Thoughts

Filed under: ACC,Assistants,Football,Narduzzi — Justin @ 10:35 am

There’s one glaring thing the offense is missing. I’m going to highlight some offensive stats and I want to see if you can find the one area this offense is missing as well. The thing that UNC had and Pitt didn’t on Thursday and the one problem that is holding them back from being good enough to have beaten UNC and Iowa. Let’s start the stats!

These stats are based on the 128 teams listed as FBS on cfbstats.com, the higher the ranking the better.

Total offense 364.8 YPG 91st
Yards Per Play 5.52 77th
Red Zone Scoring % 83.33% 69th
Red Zone TD % 60% 71st
3rd down conversions 42.24% 45th
Turnovers 9 21st
10+ yard plays 91 114th
20+ yard plays 34 85th

 

Here’s what immediately jumps out to me: Yards per play and plays of 10+ and 20+ yards. This offense has to be incredibly efficient to score because yards aren’t coming in chunks. Throw in that 45% of opponent kickoffs are touchbacks (91st) and only two punt returns of 20+ yards and you see an offense that has long fields due to special teams and doesn’t get big plays. What this offense is missing is the ability to gain yards in large chunks. Sure, it’s great to have a nine minute drive to end the game, but to consistently need eight or ten plays to get into the end zone is not feasible.

Against the ARCHRIVAL ORANGE and UNC, Pitt had nine scoring drives, four touchdowns and five field goals. Of those nine, six required nine or more plays to score. Two of the other three were off of a turnover (touchdown vs. Cuse) and blocked punt (FG vs. UNC), so the field was short. That means without the aid of a short field, the offense has scored ONCE in fewer than nine plays in the past two games, a late field goal in the first half against Cuse.

That is how an offense makes it too difficult on itself to score: slow, efficient drives without big plays. The problem with this is it opens a team up to too many field goals because by the time the offense arrives in the red zone, they’ve converted two or three third downs and eventually a little thing goes wrong. That little thing happens and the offense settles for three.

There’s no doubt the offense has been too conservative. The question is why? Do the coaches not trust the players to attack downfield or is the game plan to be conservative and trust the defense? Up until the UNC game, this approach worked, so it’s hard to fault the coaches completely. The defense has been good enough all year to win every game if the offense held up their part of the bargain. Thirty points would’ve won every game vs. an FBS opponent this season. Chaney needs to open up the playbook and challenge defenses downfield. That will require trusting players not named Tyler Boyd more. Dontez Ford has earned that. Orndoff and Holtz certainly have as well. That’s three players worth trusting to get big plays.

If the offensive game plan is the same against Notre Dame, it’ll take another herculean effort from the defense to win on Saturday. Notre Dame is only giving up 22 points per game. They’re scoring 36; that’s the same as UNC. There are matchup differences and everything, but one thing matters: Notre Dame can and will score. Can Pitt’s offense keep up?

We’ll find out.





A beautiful sales rep has been here for about an hour, trying to pitch us, and I can’t help staring at her cleavage. Remarkable!!!

Oh, offensive thoughts on Pitt football?? OK.

Comment by Dan 11.02.15 @ 10:45 am

Justin, agree with your observations on Pitt’s lack of offensive play calling. I’ve watch other college teams with less talent play more openly with their running an passing.

If coach Chaney keeps playing Boyd the way he had been thus far, he is cheating the other receivers who want more opportunities to contribute to Pitt’s offense.

Note Dame has better athletes as a whole, but that doesn’t make the outcome a given. Pitt has to believe they can beat the Irish even though it is a meaningless game in the ACC standings.

If Pitt plays sound football and doesn’t give Notre Dame second chances like the Steelers did against the Bengals yesterday, they can beat ND but I would not be surprised if the outcome is not a W.

H2P!

Comment by MariettaMike 11.02.15 @ 11:01 am

ND is a winnable game. I agree ND is established and have very good lines but they lack elite speed. They let UVA and Temple hang … Pitt can hang too.
For this defense to work Pitt has to get to the QB. The corners are left in man to man with no over the top help so if the QB has any time at all the corners are F’d. If Pitt gets their mojo back on the DL it will be a very competitive game.

Chaney has struggled but he wasn’t left with much on offense. I don’t care what any of you say. The o-line is very overrated and depth is thin. They aren’t going deep b/c the o-line can’t protect long enough. I’ve said before I hate the pro-style west coast offense because it’s so complicated and takes a long time to install. Each pro-style offense is so different you can’t just plug and play because it’s an entire new playbook and philosophy.

They generally take 3 years to really start clicking. One year implementing, year 2 finding your identity and then, finally, third year full steam ahead. Once you get to year three they are great but how often do we have OC’s longer than 3 years?

We went simple on defense. I wish we went simple on offense. Read option isn’t a trendy offense, it’s the evolution of the game.

Pitt fans wanted pro-style though so you have to live through the growing pains. Every time we switch coordinators and implement a new west coast scheme the entire process starts all over. Firing Chaney would be very bad for the program if this is the style of offense they truly want.

PN and Chaney didn’t know each other beforehand. They still have to find some chemistry too … it all takes time.

Chryst recruited very conservatively. PN and Chaney want to play aggressively but they are hamstrung by recruiting for slower paced styles on both side of the ball.

You can say this staff should adapt to what they have but this staff’s eye is on the future. They have to get their systems implemented now to do what they want down the road. Playing to this team’s strengths hurts PN’s future team’s development.

Make no mistake, they’re trying to win now but they will not sacrifice the future for a team that is not ready to take the next step and not truly PN’s team yet.

Having said all that, every game on this schedule is winnable. Let’s close this thing out.

10-2.

Comment by Tossing Thabeets 11.02.15 @ 11:08 am

Follow up to Dans beautiful sales rep daydreams….

Does anyone else sit at Heinz and watch/ listen to the Pitt band make their entrance , close their eyes and pretend we’re
back in Pitt Stadium? I do… Almost every time! An occasional tear forms. I miss Oakland and our beloved campus, especially in the Fall with leaves turning…. Coeds walking … The smell of Big O hot dogs in the air.

Notre Dane games are especially meaningful. It was my first Pitt Game ever when I was 8, and my mom was a die hard Irish fan.

Oh well, some visages to stem the vitriol.

Think I’ll smoke this stuff every morning!

Comment by Dan 72 11.02.15 @ 11:22 am

Watching the Panthers over the course of this season which has been several games I have come to this conclusion: their weaknesses have been exposed both offensively and defensively. On the positive, these boys won’t lay down or quit.Games at Iowa and Tech had me feeling our defense was more than formidible and the O-line along with a new QB who had downfield capability to stretch the fieldvertically and that would happen under the new OC. Offensively, I am waiting and waiting and waiting. Chaney seems to be in a holding pattern. Does he not trust his talent..is Duzz keeping the foot on the brake trusting the D to win close games..God knows we are in a lot of close ones…I do know this ND sees our weaknesses and will exploit them (one game at a time) UNC saw L Pitts weakness and they pounded him until he was pulled-or was he injured-all I know is there was no #6 on defense..I am all for RAH-RAH-RAH.. it is going to take better effort, better coaching for us to win a close game, if not, ND wins going away.

Comment by BigB 11.02.15 @ 11:42 am

Good stuff Justin, big difference from last year when the O could score quickly and often. The biggest difference is the lack of long runs. No surprise that you would miss a guy that had 36 touchdowns in two years.

Not in your stats, but I would guess the YAC is way down too.

Of course the QB designed runs.

Last year we knew what worked and did it too perfection. This year we have no go to plays. There seems to be no rhythm to our O, many fits and starts.

Last year we called for more creativity, this year we have a little too much.

Comment by gc 11.02.15 @ 11:51 am

Justin – very good timing for this article. I re-watched the UNC game and I continued to think the exact same thing. If we could have just hit on that 1 time, quick-play score.

Our offense moved the ball really well against UNC. But, as Justin stated, eventually you get a 3rd and 3 or 4 where one little think goes wrong and the drive stalls.

I thought our pass protection was actually pretty good against UNC, especially from the 2nd quarter on. Peterman had time to throw and when we went downfield, good things happened.

I’m not a fan of the sideways pass but I get why it is necessary at times (although I can’t understand for the life of me why we run a sideways pass to the short side of the field). However, another factor to consider is that Boyd (who is the target a large majority of the time on the sideways pass) hasn’t broken one yet and really hasn’t made many people miss in space. It could be blocking, it could be on Boyd, it could be that opposing D know it’s coming. I don’t know. But we get bottled up quickly on the sideways pass.

Comment by JAM05PITT 11.02.15 @ 12:01 pm

Dan – Buy it if she services the contract the deal…Haha. Then you will see more of her!

I like our Chances if this was a night game but not for a 12pm start. Fans will not be ramped up and getting in late.

Comment by Upittbaseball 11.02.15 @ 12:04 pm

GC: no doubt yards after the catch are down and I hate to pick on the best offensive player, but Boyd has dropped big time there. I can’t recall the last time he made a guy miss in space. He has been taken down by the first guy often this year and it’s odd.

Comment by Justin 11.02.15 @ 12:09 pm

I have been very supportive and patient concerning our offense this year. HOWEVER, if our O doesn’t get it IN GEAR NOW, I believe these last 4 games are in great jeopardy of being LOSES!
It appears that our desire of being more concerned with Time of Possession than Total Points is the main culprit.
I realize we want to play SMART, but it may be time that we start playing to WIN!!!

Comment by pittman4ever 11.02.15 @ 12:13 pm

Justin, Boyd is hurt. He hasn’t made anyone miss all year. For the last two years the first guy hardly ever tackled him.

Comment by gc 11.02.15 @ 12:23 pm

Regarding throwing downfield – Thursday, from the stands, without the benefit of good replay, it looked like 2 things were happening most of the time:
– NC pressured with the linemen, and no one got open.
– NC blitzed, and Peterman had to scramble, thus not able to see or throw to someone who was open.

It was a great defensive scheme that shows the weaknesses of the receivers to get open. Quick hitters over the middle might solve that, consistent running might solve it. And I’m fine with occasionally passing or pitching to the side, but NC was too fast to make that work, and the short side of the field was not a good option.

Meanwhile, Pitt/Duke is on the ESPN 6-day option:
link to theacc.com

ESPN has declared a six-day option for the games of Nov. 14 and will hold the following four games with game times and networks announced after the games of Nov. 7.

Clemson at Syracuse, Six-Day Option
Pitt at Duke, Six-Day Option
NC State at Florida State, Six-Day Option
Miami at North Carolina, Six-Day Option

Comment by KeyboardKev 11.02.15 @ 12:29 pm

If the opponents don’t respect Pitt’s ability/willingness to go deep the dink and dunk as well YAC can’t happen. The UNC offense game plan had no imagination and gave Pitt little chance.
Pitt’s very small CBs can’t handle real D1 WRs and will be a big problem vs ND.
If the offense doesn’t score more than 30 I don’t see a win this week

Comment by Taxing Matters 11.02.15 @ 12:31 pm

I think it is a sore knee, hard to make cuts with a bad knee. Really a shame that Henderson and Tipton did not work out. They are the big play guys we are missing. That and Weah who can’t seem to catch a ball.

Also disappointing that James and to a lesser extent because he is on the bench, Hall can’t seem to break off a big play. Doesn’t seem to be a Shady, Deon or Ray in this group.

Comment by gc 11.02.15 @ 12:33 pm

gc,
Great observation. If there is a Shady, Dion, or a Ray they have been incognito!!!!

Comment by pittman4ever 11.02.15 @ 12:45 pm

Jester Weah and Oderick Turner must be related. Their hands are remarkably similar.

Comment by Yeti 11.02.15 @ 1:13 pm

You can only do all that throwing downfield stuff if your receivers can get open, your QB has decent protection, and you have some kind of run game. Unfortunately, the offense was not able to do all of those things consistently, and I have my doubts as to whether they will be able to do much better against the more talented competition we have left on the schedule.

I don’t think Cheney’s offense is overly conservative by design, it’s just doing what it can given what it has to work with. The WRs are not getting open, the O-line is suspect, and even Boyd has to make circus catches with two guys hanging on him most of the time. No one was really able to step up offensively in the UNC game.

I don’t ever see Cheyney ever slinging the ball all over the yard, but I think I’ve already seen more first down pass attempts and three receiver sets this season than in any full season under Chryst or Wannstedt. Frankly, the guy looks to me like the least conservative play caller we’ve had here since Walt Harris.

So while I’m not saying I agree with the way Cheyney has called every game, I don’t think it’s fair at this point to call for his head about being too conservative. It looks to me like he is doing the best he can with the tools he has. Like someone above said, it’s going to take some time for the new staff to get it’s own pieces into place.

I think people’s expectations of the current team may be too high because it has had some success so far this year, but it’s basically the same guys as last year and some freshmen. We need to take whatever we can get this year and next, and be patient enough the give the new staff a chance to recruit and put their program together. I think we’ve certainly seen enough improvement this year in a lot of ways with essentially the same team (or less) to feel good about this staff and what it will be able to put on the field in a couple of years.

Comment by SteveS 11.02.15 @ 1:22 pm

Dan, Thank you for your reminiscing about the game day ambiance of Oakland on an Autumn afternoon. You forgot to mention what I miss most, and that is the Cathedral of Learning. I have never seen such an inspirational, architectural icon anywhere. When Pitt is on TV or sitting in Heinz Field, you don’t see it anymore. The Cathedral is our University’s symbol! It is a shame that our fans can’t be inspired by the vision of that tower at our games.
Sorry for my digression…H2P!! Also Pitt pulls it off this weekend!

Comment by barreman 11.02.15 @ 1:23 pm

That one little thing that goes wrong is Chaney’s awful play calling. How about on 3rd and 4 you try to throw the ball five yards forward. Stop throwing side to to side or running that way too.

Comment by Steve h 11.02.15 @ 1:25 pm

It seems to me like you guys are all answering your own questions. The offense lost a LOT of talent and explosiveness!! Big plays are going to be hard to come by.

Conner out (Ollison has filled in admirably, but he’s no James Conner and he just isn’t going to rip off big chunks of yardage against quality D’s), Ibrahim out, the o-line lost Clemmings (4th round draft pick), Rotheram (all-ACC) and Jaryd Jones-Smith. You could argue they were their three best offensive linemen!! Plus as many people have mentioned, Boyd just doesn’t look right or like the Tyler Boyd of last year.

Who’s the other big play threat?? Ford, who came into the season with what, 3 career receptions?? Agreed they could use the TE’s more, but that phase of the offense is already light years ahead of what Voytik produced throwing the ball last year.

This is speculation (which admittedly isn’t backed up by HCPN getting on Chaney on the sidelines occasionally), but as much of a defensive mastermind as HCPN is, he has to know in his heart of hearts that this D just doesn’t have a ton of talent right now. What he and Conklin have been able to get out of this D (essentially the same players as last year) from coaching and scheme has been remarkable. The D has thrived on sacks and turnovers, however, they still get gouged by big plays. You saw what happened in the first half against UNC with no QB pressure or turnovers.

The best way to protect a not very good defense, is for the offense to keep them off the field and NOT turn the ball over. Go on long, grinding drives, chew up time of possession and get points on the board. Or at least flip field position. And most of all protect the ball. Don’t expose the D and give the opponent short fields. You can’t have that with an undermanned D. UNC scored in a flash after the Ford fumble Thursday night. I applaud HCPN for delegating that which he doesn’t know as well, but in the end he’s still in charge and it’s still his neck on the line. I have to think he’s on board with the offensive style and doesn’t want to see a lot of 3 and outs and high risk to further expose his D.

Comment by Pitt89 11.02.15 @ 1:33 pm

Chaney could be doing better, but he is a good OC. In fact, this whole coaching staff is a major upgrade from what we had in a bunch of years including Wannstadt and I liked him.

We will get better players and therefore the coaches will look even better.

Our beloved University’s reputation has increased alot with the out of sight cost vs. value of higher education.

Out of state PITT is about $35M per yr. Boston College about $70M; Penn State about $45M ?

Some serious value issues and we live in an affluent area.

Comment by Old Pitt Grad 11.02.15 @ 1:50 pm

3rd down….

THROW
THE
BALL
BEYOND
THE
CHAINS !!!!

OMG….I can’t take anymore 🙁

Comment by The Truth 11.02.15 @ 1:50 pm

@Upitt, going with her company anyway, no one can touch them. Nice to have a pretty face on a Monday morning though.

I emailed AD Barnes. I think some others touched on this before in earlier posts.

Anyone see the Temple field. At the Linc??

If someone didn’t know better, and watched the game, they would have thought it was Temple’s stadium.

Absolutely beautiful. Some people could care less, I get that.

I’m just saying, no matter in business, life, sports etc. etc. little things matter. They all add up to the perception and in most cases the reality.

Ask a marketing guy.

I also told him, Steelers ended up paying for about 34% of the stadium. The 7 county W.Pa. county taxpayers paid for the rest.

Univ. of Pgh, UPMC et al biggest employer in about a 4 state region.

Told him time to start throwing our weight around a little bit.

If it cost $5,000 a game, six times a year, to remove and repaint, so be it, it would be well worth it with everything else we spend on.

You want to strive to be the best, win a championship?? It’s what they’re saying.

Not requesting a new stadium, but if you want to be a big boy, a player in the city, make Heinz your home, the you get it done.

Some might say, “what’s the big deal”?

Ok, I say back to them….”ya, right, what’s the big deal”, just do it.

Comment by Dan 11.02.15 @ 1:53 pm

Truth, take it easy. This year we don’t have the guaranteed running back. We have a new QB; limited receivers, a whole new coaching staff.

Chaney doesn’t want interceptions. He does want to win the games like the rest of us.

Comment by Old Pitt Grad 11.02.15 @ 2:03 pm

As far as the offense, you have got to be able to adapt. Hopefully there are some meeting going on. You can hire and be hands off, that’s what you hired the person for, but if things are not going as planned, then the boss has to step in and give guidance.

As for the game.

Negative-Notre Dame just from the eye test has suprerior talent. Especially at wide-out, not sure what our guys are gonna do. I can picture ND receivers runnning 20 yard routes and being wide open with our guys chasing after them.

Positive-We’ve beaten Notre Dame 3 out of the last 6, pretty sure each time ND had superior talent then also.

That’s why they play the games, right?

Comment by Dan 11.02.15 @ 2:04 pm

Dan, would love a “combo” 50 yard logo. Celebrating the entire City of Pittsburgh.

I guess the NFL has limits on what can be placed on the 50. Never really looked at it.

Comment by Old Pitt Grad 11.02.15 @ 2:10 pm

link to youtube.com

Dear AD,

Replace Sweet Caroline and the I want to die beat with this song to get the crowd moving and actually be hip. Not a washed up outplayed Sweet Caroline.

Best –

Upitt

Comment by Upittbaseball 11.02.15 @ 2:20 pm

@ Pitt89, Spot On analysis. When we get Conner back this offense gets much better immediately.

Comment by Dr. Tom 11.02.15 @ 2:22 pm

I had dinner with Scott Barnes the other night. He told me that Sweet Caroline is done. It is being replaced with Silento “Watch Me”. He said that the folks on the Blather wanted something hip and new. So there you go. Be careful for what you wish for.

Comment by Yeti 11.02.15 @ 2:30 pm

UPitt —
Never can tell. Video was directed by Greg BARNES.

Comment by PetePitt73 11.02.15 @ 2:55 pm

Yeti I hope you are jivin. I vote with UPitt.

Comment by rkb 11.02.15 @ 2:58 pm

Yeti – LOL. Oh God no.

Every 5-6 year old in the stands will know that one. Haha

Comment by Upittbaseball 11.02.15 @ 2:59 pm

I still like this with the lyrics changed to “Take the score higher”!!!!

Feeling’s gettin’ stronger
Music’s gettin’ longer too
Music is flashin’ me
I want to, I want to, I want to take the score higher
I want to take it higher
Baby, baby, baby light my fire
I wanna take it higher

Boom laka-laka-laka, boom laka-laka-laka boom

Feeling’s nitty-gritty
Sound is in the city too
Music’s still flashin’ me
Don’t ya, don’t ya, don’t don’t don’t ya want to take it higher
Baby baby baby light my fire
I wanna take it higher

Boom laka-laka-laka, boom laka-laka-laka
Boom laka-laka-laka, boom laka-laka-laka
Boom laka-laka-laka, boom laka-laka-laka

Higher
Higher
Higher

Feeling that should make you move
Sounds that should help you groove
Music still flashin’ me
Take your places
I want to take it higher
I want to take it higher
Baby baby baby light my fire
I wanna take it higher

Boom laka-laka-laka, boom laka-laka-laka
Boom laka-laka-laka, boom laka-laka-laka
Boom laka-laka-laka, boom laka-laka-laka

Higher
Higher
Higher

Boom laka-laka-laka, boom laka-laka-laka
Boom laka-laka-laka, boom laka-laka-laka
Boom laka-laka-laka, boom laka-laka-laka

Higher
Higher
Higher

Something we haven’t done in a while, run up a high score. Sorry about the long song paste but I did burn out some brain cells in the 70’s and just can’t get to computer savvy.

Comment by WarrenPAnther 11.02.15 @ 3:27 pm

We should all work on the game day experience team. Save Pitt the 18k they pay those gibronis.

Comment by Upittbaseball 11.02.15 @ 3:37 pm

try being there , thats a start,loss 3 this weekend nd has better ath.

Comment by paul shannon 11.02.15 @ 3:48 pm

@Warren, I like that, I like that a lot.

Comment by Dan 11.02.15 @ 3:52 pm

@Upitt, Apache?? What do you think??

Comment by Dan 11.02.15 @ 4:31 pm

ahhhh dan,the great suger hill gang..the pioneers of rap!

Comment by goalie44 11.02.15 @ 4:52 pm

if they replace sweet caroline with “watch me” or whatever, ill explode. Just what i want to hear to pump me up for the fourth quarter- a soft boy scouts fire koombaya that makes me want to pet puppies and drink hot chocolate being replaced by a corny pop “hit” that needed a fucking dance to get any listens. I could list any number of songs that would better serve the purpose. Im legitimately upset by this

Comment by pk 11.02.15 @ 4:56 pm

just jump on the ball when it hits the ground.
0-4 against NC.

Comment by Tackle made by Hugh 11.02.15 @ 5:06 pm

Jump Around by House of Pain

Comment by Tackle made by Hugh 11.02.15 @ 5:07 pm

Next this admin will request the Bee Gees

Comment by Upittbaseball 11.02.15 @ 5:46 pm

Dan,
Agree with you on what needs to be done to make Heinz field appear like our stadium on game days.Upgrading the insignia on the 50 is vital, how about a new symbol with the Cathedral of Learning at mid field. Also as suggested by someone on earlier post removable signs that read Welcome to Pitt Stadium at Heinz Field .

Comment by Spindler's Spirit 11.02.15 @ 5:58 pm

@Tackle, yes, would be great, but that is the one that Wisconsin uses.

Comment by Dan 11.02.15 @ 7:31 pm

Anything better than sweet caroline. So unoriginal.

Comment by notrocketscience 11.02.15 @ 7:35 pm

Let the Panther Pitt vote on it.

Comment by notrocketscience 11.02.15 @ 7:36 pm

Always enjoy coming on here and reading opinions on improving the game day atmosphere and improving attendance from those who don’t attend the games. How about another comment from Upitt about all the yellow seats? It’s fun to bitch about stuff that you as an individual have absolutely no commitment or ability to change!

Since Sweet Caroline is played between quarters does anybody watching on television actually see the response of the crowd or players? I wouldn’t know what happens on TV, I’m actually attending the game and actively participating/cheering, not filling the chip bowl.

Comment by Barvo 11.02.15 @ 9:13 pm

Just maybe we can get back to the future … cue the band

Are you ready? Hey are you ready for this?
Are you hanging on the edge of your seat?
Out of the doorway the bullets rip
To the sound of the beat

Another one bites the dust
Another one bites the dust
And another one gone, and another one gone
Another one bites the dust
Hey, I’m gonna get you too
Another one bites the dust

Comment by 9-2,8-4,11-1,11-1,11-1 11.02.15 @ 9:29 pm

Careful some on here may get upset if you don’t agree with and love everything about this team lol.

Comment by shawn 11.02.15 @ 9:32 pm

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