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October 23, 2015

It’s that time of year everyone. It’s time for Pitt’s annual beat down of the ARCHRIVAL ORANGE. If this game doesn’t fire you up then I suggest you look at the cold metal walls around you because you’re IN THE MORGUE. IT’S ARCHRIVAL ORANGE WEEK AND WE’RE GONNA PELT THEM WITH KIWIS UNTIL THE ENTIRE STATE OF NEW YORK RUNS OUT OF BENADRYL!!!!! THE STREETS OF SYRACUSE WILL FLOOD WITH PULP!! FLORIDA’S ECONOMY WILL TAKE A HIT SO SEVERE THAT MARCO RUBIO RESIGNS IN SHAME!!! AL CAPONE WILL RISE FROM HIS GRAVE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE EXCESSIVE ORANGES IN THE STREETS TO MAKE MANY OLD FASHIONEDS. Dan Akroyd and Eddie Murphy’s investment will be safe though.

Let’s take a look at the many ways Pat Narduzzi will send Scott Shafer to the ER.

The ARCHRIVAL ORANGE have had an interesting journey so far this season. Senior QB Terrel Hunt went down in week one with a season ending knee injury. This forced true freshman Eric Dungey into the lineup and he has been fantastic. Dungey’s arm and legs have been the ARCHRIVAL ORANGE’S only weapon on offense for most of the season. In their triple OT loss to Virginia last week, he accounted for 70% of their total yards. Dungey will not hesitate to take off and run and the ARCHRIVAL ORANGE will use that running ability on option plays as well several times a game.

Like Pitt, the ARCHRIVAL ORANGE will use a RB rotation. Four players have at least 18 carries but it’s worth noting only one player (leading rusher Jordan Fredericks) has a touchdown against a FBS opponent. Ben Lewis will also see time in the backfield but almost exclusively as a third down/receiving back. During their three game losing streak no ARCHRIVAL ORANGE RB has had a game with more than 35 yards. That’s TERRIBLE. The advanced stats I linked above show an average rushing attack, but the success of Dungey’s legs skews that by a large margin.

When Dungey throws, he does have some respectable options that enable him to spread the ball around. Steve DON’T CALL ME Ishmael is the primary target, but Dungey will spread Pitt’s defense out and try to dink and dunk up the field. The defense will need to be disciplined on short routes to keep them as such. I also expect Dungey’s release to be quick to try and negate Pitt’s pass rush. We’ll see screens, quick hits, and maybe a few run-pass options.

Best case scenario is another VT. Motley was the Hokies’ only threat on the ground at the time and when he didn’t have time to throw nothing went right. Dungey and Motley are comparable as runners but Dungey isn’t as strong. Dungey also doesn’t have the weapons Motley had. Worst case scenario is the ARCHRIVAL ORANGE move the ball with quick passes and the read option and go score for score with Pitt.

Defensively, the ARCHRIVAL ORANGE are rather average. They’re 69th in total yards, giving up 393 yards per game (848 rushing 1513 passing) and 80th in points (27.8 PPG). Nothing jumps out as something this unit is particularly good at. There are things that are above average but I couldn’t find anything they were top 25 in (sacks, TFL, turnover margin, etc). USF RBs had 228 yards and 3 TDs on the ground two weeks ago and the anemic rushing attack of Virginia still topped 150 yards. The passing defense is worse, giving up 252 yards per game in the air. They do have six interceptions, but only one has been in the past three games.

Best case scenario is Chaney’s crew can establish the run early and take control of the game. The only way the ARCHRIVAL ORANGE can rely on winning this game is a close, defensive struggle. They do not have the talent on offense to keep up in a shootout. Even if Pitt’s defense falters a bit, an established running game along with no turnovers will virtually guarantee this as a Pitt win. Worst case: turnovers and a bad running game.

Overall, this could be the first time the offense and defense play a complete game for Pitt.  Last week the offense finally put together a really good effort but the defense faltered against GT. I predict a convincing win for Pitt 37-13.





A+

Comment by AJMayo 10.23.15 @ 2:29 pm

Pitt faithful from Wilkes-Barre, Home of the Baby Penguins and our favorite son, Shakir Soto, are heading north tomorrow. The last time we traveled to Syracuse to watch a 5-1 Pitt team was in 1971 and the weather was cold and wet and the final score matched the lousy weather. This is another time and another team. Upward and onward to another WIN. Pitt wins 27-17. If you are coming, bring your best set of vocal chords! HTP!

Comment by barreman 10.23.15 @ 2:35 pm

Agree, no amount of Benadryl will bring relief to the Orange. HCPN may be your best buddy pre and post game, but not during. Pitt is ready to roll, 45-10! H2P

Comment by stilltheone 10.23.15 @ 2:40 pm

1500+ passing yards given up by Cuse D, maybe this is the game Chaney lets Nate loose and throw more downfield. I would love to have the O blow this game open and start the celebratory cocktails early in the third qtr.

Comment by Steve h 10.23.15 @ 2:49 pm

Steve h —

I’ll be hitting the whisky in the first half…more to calm my nerves than celebrate, but both hopefully. Looking forward to the return of our nasty D from the one week anomaly of GTECH…truly an annoying team to play, and so glad we beat them. Coach Johnson, welcome to the 21st century, 1978 called and wants its offense back.

Comment by Matt N. 10.23.15 @ 3:07 pm

Don’t think this will be an easy one. Close score. Hope I’m wrong.

Smart kids graduating from the good high schools in Bergen County, NJ have been picking PITT to attend. Part of reason is scholarship money PITT is giving to brighter students. The $60M to $70M private colleges in the East don’t seem to be worth the cost even in the affluent area.

Comment by Old Pitt Grad 10.23.15 @ 3:07 pm

In his triumphal return to his old stomping ground, I predict a big game for Dontez Ford, with a couple deep pass plays to open things up for Boyd and the runners. Let it loose boys!!

Comment by Matt N. 10.23.15 @ 3:10 pm

30-17 Panthers

Comment by BostonsCommon 10.23.15 @ 3:20 pm

No blowout though. Late score finally opens it up so the D won’t need to be on the field to end a game.

Comment by BostonsCommon 10.23.15 @ 3:21 pm

ESPN came out with their power football index. Pitt ranks 45th, Virginia Tech ranks 34. Please somebody make some sense of that!!!!!! Pitt needs to make some orange juice for my afternoon drinking session.

Comment by Steve h 10.23.15 @ 3:32 pm

We score more than them:
PITT: 42
CUSE: 24

P-I-T-T… LET’S GO PITT!!!!

Comment by pittman4ever 10.23.15 @ 3:36 pm

Let’s just hope somebody other than TB can get open downfield. Syracuse might keep 3 DB’s on TB based on how few passes were completed to our other receivers.—-If we have no turnovers Pitt wins easily. Absent that scenario this game could be a lot closer than many expect. Another single digit winning/losing margin might well be in the cards.

Comment by jrnpitt 10.23.15 @ 3:37 pm

I love NY Jets +9.5 against Pats.

Pitt wins by 6.

Comment by Upittbaseball 10.23.15 @ 3:48 pm

Great article, thanks.

I say ditch the Jester Weah trials and tribulations and get Ford and Scott Orndoff downfield deep more often. Orndoff always surprises the LBs who try to cover him deep because he has speed they don’t expect a TE to have.

We have done an excellent job at away games, Iowa included, so I think the typical 3 point home field advantage is in the wind.

Chaney said in an interview with Rivals that his playcalling was the reason the deep balls to Boyd haven’t been tried much and that he;ll open it up more now that Peterman has four complete game’s experience under his belt.

That’s nice for him to shoulder the blame but there is always, almost always, a deep route receiver on each called passing play and Peterman is hitting the shorter routes – which happen to be Boyd on most plays. I think we’ll see some tomorrow and I would like to see 1-2 deep tries each half at least from now on.

We get the win and everyone loves HCPC again because he was the best recruited Pitt ever had… or something.

I’ll try to get a MMQB up but have been super busy trying to get all of you old-time commenters into a murder mystery as suspects.

Comment by Reed 10.23.15 @ 4:05 pm

Pitt wins 31-13 .

Comment by Spindler's Spirit 10.23.15 @ 4:16 pm

Totally Off-Topic BUT on the Pitt campus in Posvar Hall (site of old Forbes Field), there is a permanent photo history of Forbes Field, just installed on October 13, 2015, the xx anniversary of yyy. That’s a quiz. If you are on campus, take a few or several minutes to savor the history.

Incredible photos, going back, way back. E.g., a photo of the Carnegie Tech — Notre Dame football game from 1926. Carnegie Tech, btw, won in an upset. Baseball, football, boxing, it is all covered. Rooney, Sutherland, etc., etc.

Comment by PeterPitt73 10.23.15 @ 4:24 pm

Last chance for a break out game. Pitt 35- Orange 17.

Comment by Dr. Tom 10.23.15 @ 4:27 pm

I think we’ll see another Pitt O doing long, time consuming drives, if for no other reason than to keep ORANGE O and our D off the field as much as possible. The D stays fresh for the 4th Q. We need to see a lot of 3rd down stops tomorrow – a few sacks would be nice, as well. Pitt 38 Syr 24.

ORANGE you glad we whip ’em??

Comment by Savannah Panther 10.23.15 @ 4:32 pm

Pine-Richland vs Pgh Central Cath on Root at 7:30. CC has a bunch of D1 guys & PR has soph qb Phil Jurkovec who I hear is pretty damn good & already holds a bunch of D1 offers including Pitt.

Comment by Nick 10.23.15 @ 6:02 pm

Ran into someone from Syracuse the other day and they were indeed a Cuse grad.

I mentioned to them, that I was a Pitt grad and our two teams were playing Saturday.

They were like…”oh”.

I love archrivals week !

Comment by Emel 10.23.15 @ 6:04 pm

Good article. Hate to nit-pick, but the D didn’t really “falter” against ga tech. I do think Syracuse is physical and should be a challenge

Comment by 1618matt 10.23.15 @ 6:12 pm

The Emel Prediction

The Orange aren’t very good. Yes they are 3-3. But the 3 wins are Rhode Island(1-6 FCS), Wake Forest (3-4) & Central Michigan (3-4). So that is 7-14.

Pitt should win pretty easily, as the Orangemen’s offense is ranked #111.

In Emel’s Crystal Ball…I see a Pitt 31-17 win !!

Comment by Emel 10.23.15 @ 6:18 pm

Pitt wins by two touchdowns, 28-14. Hopefully Pitt does not fall into the potential trap!

Comment by JohnTheListener 10.23.15 @ 6:32 pm

In my dirty shot glass of Tequila with a floating worm, I see Pitt winning 35-20.

Comment by TX Panther 10.23.15 @ 6:34 pm

lol Tex

I thought it was mezcal if it had a worm.

Haven’t drank that sh*t since the nite I almost ended up in a Mexican jail.

Comment by Emel 10.23.15 @ 6:41 pm

I would love to be a suspect Reed. Maybe my character could be a cross between Dubya and McConaughey.

Comment by TX Panther 10.23.15 @ 6:42 pm

Yes its bottom of the barrel shit. Not true Tequila. But that worm is an excellent prognosticator.

Comment by TX Panther 10.23.15 @ 6:44 pm

Nick – im watchimg the CC PR game. Is Wheeler #12 for CC? So far he is getting owned by the PR tackle. I may have the wrong number.

Comment by htp123 10.23.15 @ 7:09 pm

Syracuse blog with about 300 votes.

Pitt winning by 10+ points 37% of voters

All of their writing staff has Pitt winning.

link to nunesmagician.com

Comment by Emel 10.23.15 @ 7:18 pm

Upitt: …and watch them hit Brady…often. they’re motivated and have the talent. Key will be uncalled NE OL holding.

Folks in TN didn’t see this, Nate enjoying shutting people up.

Comment by Old School Panther 10.23.15 @ 8:03 pm

EE and Emel, you both got me smiling on the comments about big American corps. Europeans shake their heads over the large salaries and bonuses. Of course they are out of control and have been for years. Corruption is subtle but it’s there. You get promoted by a godfather and in turn you protect your godfather.

I worked as a Regional Sales Mgr. for a division of the Company that was renamed ENRON. I kid you not. At one point I got balled out by my VP for not spending enough money of my office’s budget. He told me to spend more to make sure if I needed more money the next yr. he would be able to get it for me. SO I took my 6 salesmen on a three day sales meeting at a local resort.

About two yrs. later, I started my own business. Ended up lossing all the stock option money they gave me after the Comapny lost it all years later. I was a dumb shit and was too busy to cash it in.

Comment by Old Pitt Grad 10.23.15 @ 8:05 pm

Emel, my Syracuse graduate sons are BASKETBALL fans. That is what SYracuse has become.

Comment by Old Pitt Grad 10.23.15 @ 8:07 pm

Watching the CC vs PR game too. Haven’t been real impressed with any of the 2016 recruits, committed or not.

Comment by JJ 10.23.15 @ 8:14 pm

I’m just not seeing any ‘trap’ games with this coaching staff this season. In the past our players have certainly gone into games with big heads and have come out losers – we seemed to have done that once a year for as long as I can remember, which is one of the reasons I hate to hear ‘swagger’ and ‘Pitt’ in the same sentence – our players have never been able to handle that.

But with Narduzzi I really feel like he’s got the word across that each Saturday is like a different season.

Comment by Reed 10.23.15 @ 8:15 pm

~ OPG

Here you go bro. Enjoy !

link to youtube.com

Comment by Emel 10.23.15 @ 8:21 pm

The trap is in the mind. Mentally tough players dont fall into the trap. Its an attitude adjustment. Its confidence but not over looking. Its being business like in your approach and executing. Its taking 1 game at a time. Its what winners are made of.

Comment by TX Panther 10.23.15 @ 8:22 pm

Brave young men came down to Texas and drove out the Comanches and the Mexicans. And God left us with Texas. 150 years later the Texans left the world with Enron.

Comment by TX Panther 10.23.15 @ 8:25 pm

I too was in National Mgt. for a company that was one of the biggest bankruptcies in American Corporate history.

Lost a ton of money and more importantly…time.

I won’t name the name of the company. But they were one of the ones who bought naming rights to a sports stadium. So all appeared normal.

Comment by Emel 10.23.15 @ 8:26 pm

Gotta agree with you JJ. Usually you can pick out the major D1 prospects before you know their number just by watching.

Comment by Kvah 10.23.15 @ 8:35 pm

I predicted a 30-3 Pitt halftime lead but have suddenly become worried. Cuse can play with us on both lines. I predict a very close game and a Cuse upset is not out of the question.

Hope we re not looking ahead or behind.

I’ve seen some of the strangest games at the Carrier Dome.
Weird things happens. I just have a feeling of dread about tomorrow that I’ve not had at any game this year. H2P!!

Comment by Dan 72 10.23.15 @ 9:00 pm

Set the tone at the start .. first play from scrimmage throw the bomb for a score and don’t look back!

Final score 21-14 because you know they won’t do that.

Comment by 9-2,8-4,11-1,11-1,11-1 10.23.15 @ 9:15 pm

link to espn.go.com

Hail to Pitt!

Comment by Digdug 10.23.15 @ 9:16 pm

You could be right Dan72.

What we beat them twice in hoops last year with a crummy team.

All the CBS Sports experts like Cuse with the Points.

link to cbssports.com

Comment by Emel 10.23.15 @ 9:16 pm

Lived in Syracuse for nearly a decade one year. Back in the Crumbling Old Archibald “COA” days. I remember Pitt cleaning their clock–Gordon “too much”Jones or Rooster Jones or amazing player with a name like that went for 80 yards or so on a fly pattern, and the rout was on.

I’d love to 35 plus to 6 or less. But maybe a lunch pail win would be better. 24-17 will do. That way the team can go into the meat grinder of the last 5 games with humility and hunger…

Comment by CA-Yinzer 10.23.15 @ 9:22 pm

High on fumes from his ACC Special Teams Player of the Week award, Blewitt kicks 4 FGs and Pitt gets a defensive TD. They take a 26-10 lead into the 4th but just to give us something to think about, give up two long, late TDs. Pitt 26-24.

Comment by Iron Duke 10.23.15 @ 10:53 pm

Emel, I feel for you man. I got to make mind back when I went into my own business. Best of all no politics. Of course, the govt charges double on everything but it was still the best way to go for me.
I was at Achibold and saw Floyd Little run wild over us. I think that was 1964.

Syracuse can play. I hope we don’t take them lightly

Comment by Old Pitt Grad 10.23.15 @ 11:10 pm

Still think this is a close game. Something like 23-19 sounds good.

Comment by Shawn 10.23.15 @ 11:14 pm

H2P, Pitt wins 37-24!

Comment by PittPT 10.24.15 @ 5:16 am

ApolloRidge RB Duane Brown set the WPIAL single game rushing record with 460 yards and 8 TDs last night vs Deer Lakes.. His uncle told me he wants to be a PITT Panther!!!! Go Duane!!!!!!! Fight on Loyal Sons of Pittsburgh.. For the glory of the game

Comment by BigB 10.24.15 @ 5:38 am

CAYinzer,
IF memory serves be correctly, Yes “Rooster Jones” was who you watched. He was a scat back who could fly and yes he resembled a strutting rooster when he walked and ran!
“Too Much Jones” I believe was a basketball player for the Panthers and was extremely flashy and fun to watch.
Thanks for the memories!!! H2P

Comment by pittman4ever 10.24.15 @ 7:46 am

…..on 2nd thought I’m not positive about Too Much( haha)

Comment by pittman4ever 10.24.15 @ 7:47 am

27-13 Panthers. Pitt d sets the tone and offense continued to take more baby steps forward. Look for James and/or Hall to make a splash play in the run game-both have track speed on a fast turf.

Comment by John 10.24.15 @ 7:49 am

The front seven need to pound Dungey into the ground just like they did to the Va Tech and GA Tech QB’s. You need to make a running QB pay the price. This is why our defense is so much much better than the last several years. They apply physical pressure. QB’s under pressure make mistakes. Those that experience pain expect to experience more, they throw early or run to early.

This is why the House D stunk, no pressure, QB’s doing want they wanted with plenty of time to make good decisions.

This is why with mostly the same guys, they are much better.

Dungey is their whole offense, stop him and you stop Syracuse.

Let’s Go Pitt!

Comment by gc 10.24.15 @ 7:52 am

Rooster Jones was who they were recruiting when they found a guy named Hugh Green, best college defender I have ever seen.

Comment by gc 10.24.15 @ 7:54 am

If he wouldn’t have been in the car accident, he would have been another PITT Pro HOF.

Comment by gc 10.24.15 @ 7:56 am

If Webb and Mitchell can’t play that means it is Amara, a starter from last year. That is good depth. If he gets hurt, I wonder if they play one of the freshmen linebackers. They both played some safety in high school.

Comment by gc 10.24.15 @ 8:04 am

Probably go to Briggs or Ryan Lewis before they do that.

Comment by gc 10.24.15 @ 8:07 am

Dan72 – I hope your turnaround on this game is just jitters on your part.

We could lose any game on our schedule and we could always pull a 2006 when we were 6-1 and tanked the rest of the season to end up 6-6… But the more I read and research about this team the better I feel is is actually a solid work in progress that is succeeding a bit more each game.

We’ll give up some points to their run game but I also think we see another effective passing game on NP’s part again.

Pitt 31 – SYR 24

Comment by Reed 10.24.15 @ 8:08 am

James Conner Out Knee Conner suffered a knee injury during the season opener and will miss the remainder of the year.
Jaryd JSmith Out Knee Jones-Smith will miss the entire 2015 season with a knee injury.
Alex Paulina Out Shoulder Paulina will miss the rest of the season with a shoulder injury.
Rachid Ibrahim Out Achilles Ibrahim has suffered an Achilles injury which will keep him out for the entire season.
Reggie Mitchell Questionable Foot Mitchell missed the last game with a foot injury and is questionable to play against Syracuse.
Tre Tripton Questionable Leg Tripton has missed the last two games with a leg injury and is questionable to return
Chris Wuestner Questionable Abdominal Wuestner missed the last two games with an abdominal injury and is questionable
Terrish Webb Probable Undisclosed Webb left the last game with an undisclosed injury but expected to play Saturday @ Syracuse.
Jordn Whitehead Probable Head Whitehead is expected to play Saturday against Syracuse despite a head injury.

Comment by Reed 10.24.15 @ 8:18 am

^^^ Didn’t save correctly but you can figure it out.

BTW – I’ll be in beautiful Navy-Marines Memorial Stadium in Annapolis watching our Next-Gen War-fighters in a game against Tulane.

So don’t anyone call me or anything because I have the Pitt game being recorded for later viewing.

ESPNU @ 1200 for Pitt-SYR TV viewing in case anyone was wondering.

Comment by Reed 10.24.15 @ 8:23 am

gc – good call regarding getting physical with a running QB. That is what won the VT game. Early in the game last week, I was concerned Pitt wasn’t physical enough with Thomas. Lay a few solid hits on Dungey early, make him think.

I was always indifferent to our arch rival Orange – until I had the misfortune of sitting next to a few Cuse fans at a bar when Pitt lost to Butler in the Tourney. Smug, arrogant, and obnoxious. East Coast superiority.

I thought perhaps an exception, enhanced by the fact that I was in a particularly dark mood following that game…until I attended a football game up there a few years ago, and found that many had the same attitude. I guess that comes from having a successful (and somewhat slimey) hoops program?

Combine a somewhat obnoxious fan base with the over-coverage they get because 90% of the sports media are alums, and I now have a solid distaste for the Orange.

Comment by Iron Duke 10.24.15 @ 8:35 am

Reed – you will enjoy the Navy- Marine Memorial Stadium. I spent one year at USNA (1965-66). One of the few bright spots of Plebe Year was marching to, and into the stadium. Games were a time to really release a week’s worth of pent up frustration!!

You brought back a neat memory … While marching, we’d have some cool/funny chants, for our entertainment. I remember marching past some really good looking young ladies on their way to the game. Our company started a chant … “Get a little; Get a little …… Yarrrrrrdage!!”

Comment by Savannah Panther 10.24.15 @ 9:01 am

Guys – here is an interesting comparison between Boyd’s 2014 & 2015 years… taking into consideration his missed opening game:

2014 6 games; 428 yds @ 5 catches per game for 71.3 ypg; 4 TDs @ .66 TDs per game; 14.3 ypc

2015 5 games; 396 yds @ 8 catches per game for 79.2 ypg; 4 TDs @ .66 TDs per game; 9.7 ypc

So, if looking at per game production Boyd is doing better this season than he had last season with the exception of YPC and that total fell off pretty dramatically. I think that will start to rise a bit.

But in everything else he’s a ahead of last season’s game by game production given the difference in games (6-5) between the two seasons.

I’m really impressed the way we are using both TEs so far this year. After 6 games into the season here is how Holtz & Orndoff’s numbers stack up in 2014 as compared to 6 games of this season:

2014: 18 for 184 @ 10.2 ypc and 2 TDs

2015: 19 for 343 @ 18.1 ypc and 6 TDs

Whatever is happening is working and as much as I’d like to see Boyd’s numbers soar I’ll take a 5-1 record any time.

BTW – I started thinking about this after reading this great article by Chris Peak of Rivals really breaking down the Pitt passing game this season. It’s a pay article but here it is anyway…

link to pittsburgh.rivals.com

Comment by Reed 10.24.15 @ 9:11 am

^^^ correction. I screwed up the 2014 stats:

Here is the actual comparison

2014: 14 for 91 @ 6.5 ypc and 2 TDs

2015: 19 for 343 @ 18.1 ypc and 6 TDs

Gain: 5 for 252 and 4 TDs and the ypc went up 11.6 yards.

That (+) in ypc is really outstanding and you can see how some of Boyd’s stats are lessened a bit by the QB-TE connection this season.

Comment by Reed 10.24.15 @ 9:20 am

Boyd being used in a different way this year. He is the possession receiver. Somewhat odd that the TE’s are the deep threats, but only because of the double, triple coverage on Boyd. And because Weah is still to catch a ball.

Comment by gc 10.24.15 @ 10:05 am

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