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August 20, 2015

Pitt Produces Legends

Filed under: Football,History,Honors — Chas @ 12:06 pm

The Football Writers Association of America has been around for 75 years. They have been picking All-Americans since 1944. To honor their own existence they released their 75th Anniversary All-American Team.

A few Pitt players made the list.

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5 Pitt players among 52 total players from over 70 years of All-Americans. Only Nebraska placed more players on the 3 teams than Pitt (and Ohio State).

Larry Fitzgerald was the only one on the first team, but the other four — Mike Ditka, Tony Dorsett, Bill Fralic and Hugh Green — all were second team.

I’m a touch disappointed that Aaron Donald didn’t make the list, but the six that did make the cut are hard to argue are undeserving.





It’s a good list. Not sure how Dorsett and Hugh didn’t make first team. I’d put both of them on 1st and sacrifice Fitz to tell you the truth.

RB is difficult though. Barry Sanders and Bo both have a claim to the no. 1 spot. I get Archie won two Heisman’s but I think he’s 3rd team when you take that out of the equation.

Comment by Tossing Thabeets 08.20.15 @ 12:25 pm

Tony Dorsett was a superior running back to both Archie Griffin and Herschel Walker. In both college and the pros. Sorry list but that’s just the plain truth.

Comment by deepelemblues 08.20.15 @ 12:49 pm

I would have thought that Mark May would have made the list along with Reevis

Comment by WarrenPAnther 08.20.15 @ 12:59 pm

link to triblive.com

So everyone sees the ‘Local-Media’ is slowly — “Lobbying” for actual *Star Potential* Nathan Peterman to be our QB this year —- and Relevant to this Topic, it would be amazing to have a Strong-Arm QB throw to the Literally best Wide Receiver in the Nation [For Emphasis — imagine how Tyler Boyd would Be Perception-Wise if had been at USC, Alabama (lol, Foster was ranked *Higher*, haha go-rankings) ]

A Swifter / More Agile, Faster-Twitch, Quicker-Release Rod Rutherford is who Nathan Peterman is…that is not “Half-Bad” lol

Comment by Pat "Dark Knight" Narduzzi 08.20.15 @ 1:00 pm

POD give Voytik a break, the kid last season improved immensely, harp on the defense, they were the unit that really had issues throughout the season and the Houston games proved it. Also how long have you been following Petermen?

Comment by WLAT 910 radio and the Big Beat! 08.20.15 @ 1:08 pm

link to youtube.com

Lol yes, for those Perceptive-Individuals here — Nathan Peterman Sought-Out his Transfer to Pitt to enjoy being a Back-Up QB for 2 years and thoroughly enjoy his Academic Scholarship (He graduated in 3 years from Tennessee) and his Wonderful Meal-Plan.

—- The Media-Pictures already show how much straight-up Bigger Peterman is than “The Incumbent” —- TAKE THE JOB young MR. PETERMAN — and this year send J.P. Holtz and Tyler Boyd to the NFL —

—- Then Next year CRUSH P.S.”Who” !!!

Comment by Pat "Dark Knight" Narduzzi 08.20.15 @ 1:13 pm

The fact that Pederson had legends like Fralic so disgusted with the program that he wouldn’t even associate with it is a travesty.

There’s such a rich tradition of excellence in Pitt football. To not embrace it, and downright turn your back on it, is a shame.

How did Pederson manage to stay as long as he did?

Comment by BostonsCommon 08.20.15 @ 1:23 pm

I agree it’s a joke that Dorsett and especially Green did not make the first team. Aaron Donald, who never got the national pub he deserved until the very end, could have also been considered.

But overall, Pitt is well represented.

Comment by wbb 08.20.15 @ 1:27 pm

It doesn’t matter why Peterman came to Pitt, it matters what the coaches decide. He could have come to Pitt with the expectation of being the starter all day long and it doesn’t mean squat.

Only PoD could take an article that says Voytik is settling into being starter this year as being a ‘slow lobby’ for Peterman lololol.

Comment by deepelemblues 08.20.15 @ 1:28 pm

RE QB position, I think its good news that Voytik already clearly won the job, however I’d like to think there’s some serious competition for backup, especially since CV is mobile and more apt to take some hits, but right now I’m not too sure about the competition. NP’s stats his sophomore year were 10-20 passing for a total of 49 yards. I wonder how Bertke has looked?

Comment by 1618mt 08.20.15 @ 1:29 pm

The Domers must be absolutely livid at seeing this list.

Comment by 2$Chuck 08.20.15 @ 1:29 pm

Dorset is the best college football running back ever. I’ll take on any arguers w. Stats that will make their heads spin.
He should not just be on the first team, he is the first team!

Comment by Dan 72 08.20.15 @ 1:30 pm

link to youtube.com

It’s time for this, way past time.

Let’s bring it back!!! H2P

Comment by Dan 08.20.15 @ 1:32 pm

1618 – Voytik hasn’t “clearly won the job”. Chaney was quoted very plainly and shown in this linked video saying “Chad is the incumbent starting QB and nothing has changed that…”

link to youtube.com

That phrase actually speaks volumes as to what the QB competition in camp is like right now… both kids are playing well. Voytik is ahead of Peterman based on his incumbency and that is as it should be. But nowhere has either Chaney or Narduzzi come out and said that “Voytik has won the starting job” or that “Voytik has outplayed Peterman”.

As a matter of fact both the HC and the OC have shied away from saying either Voytik or Peterman has outplayed the other. Voytik will start but that will be based on his having a year in the position already under his belt… not that he’s ‘better’ than Peterman.

Comment by Reed 08.20.15 @ 1:50 pm

Bertke isn’t in the mix for this year and probably not for next year either as both Voytik and Peterman return.

Forget about those old stats of Peterman’s, they mean absolutely nothing in this camp or too the staff. That is like saying that because Scott MCKillop had 27 tackles in ’05 and 29 in ’06 he was never going to amount too much.

Give a player experience, practice time and the opportunity to play in the games and most times the player you see as an upperclassman is completely different than they were as an underclassman.

Comment by Reed 08.20.15 @ 1:56 pm

link to youtube.com

@ approximately “0:29″ in the Video—- 6’6”, 240 Adam Bertke is not some “Joke” to fill a spot.

If you can’t tell the Young-Man is Burning to Play from seeing him in this video at that moment you might as well compare the incumbent to Dan Marino (….Not a dig! lol)

Comment by Pat "Dark Knight" Narduzzi 08.20.15 @ 2:12 pm

Great list — hard to argue. Only one nitter, that’s gotta hurt huh fellas? ‘No Matt Suhey?!’ Love it. Jack Ham more than worthy however. No Billy Sims or Charles White, or Tom Harmon? I guess that’s okay, but I think Sims was better than Archie…or even Herschell. I would have put Steve Young or Doug Flutie in place of Tim Tebow…and that’s a rough list when Elway or Danny M. get scant mention.

Comment by Matt N. 08.20.15 @ 2:14 pm

link to pitt.247sports.com

More QB speculation…

Comment by BostonsCommon 08.20.15 @ 2:23 pm

JoeD on an anti-depressant I believe.

Comment by Dan 08.20.15 @ 2:28 pm

Just my $.02, but how does the most decorated DT in college FB history not make the list?

Who, oh by the way, has more TFLs, more sacks, more forced fumbles than the guy on the first team?

Comment by BostonsCommon 08.20.15 @ 2:32 pm

You can perceive OC Chaney’s comments to meet your preference. Thus, Voytik’s supporters will think he is the confirmed starters while others will think otherwise. That’s probably why the comments were said as such.

If he doesn’t raise any doubt, then CV may rest on his laurels and the other QBs will wonder why they’re busting their butt

Comment by wbb 08.20.15 @ 2:34 pm

Yeah but Suh is a violent jerk so that gives bad boy cool points. Or something.

Comment by deepelemblues 08.20.15 @ 2:35 pm

Reed – The bottom line is CV will be starting as you admitted, and that seems pretty clear to me. You can call that what you want. Peterman’s stats do scare me, not just the numbers, but the fact that he couldn’t win more PT at TN. If you’re implying that Peterman is a better player now and can truly compete at the QB position, than that’s good news for the team. I’d still like to see a 3rd guy step up and challenge.

Comment by 1618mt 08.20.15 @ 2:35 pm

Haha Okay at this point I know you’re saying this about me Mr. “Dan” lol —

I aM nOt oN aNY drUgs aT aLL ….. lol

No but I get-excited an ‘Typo’ often but it’s not….Drugggs lol.

I Dunno Mr. “Dan”…you kinda sound like the Patient in the ‘Asylum’ we call a “Joiner” — they stand in the back-ground making comments, only waiting to “Pick-a-side” —-

Lol —- P.S. are you on Team (6-7, bottom 20% of Power-5 offense) “Incumbent’s” team, or Team new-QB??

Comment by Pat "Dark Knight" Narduzzi 08.20.15 @ 2:38 pm

link to sports.yahoo.com

….. I mean, at best, Pitt’s Scoring-Offense (The amount of Overall-Points the team scores ‘per-Game’) is in the absolute Middle-of-the-Pack for all of College Football — that includes all of D-1 College Football not just “Power-5” Teams—-

…And all of this “Hype” about the Offense Was So Powerful and only the Defense let Pitt Football Down??!! Just, Non-Sense.

Lol all these excuses about why the Offense gets some Free-Pass is Bonkers —— check the scores of Ohio State, Oregon, Alabama ….. haha yikes, TCU and Baylor (!!!) and see the scores of these games, gosh.

….But Pitt “Averaged” (after like 12 points vs. weak Akron, Iowa, and Virginia) …. 31 Points a game!! That’s more than the top teams scored….right??? … NO.

Comment by Pat "Dark Knight" Narduzzi 08.20.15 @ 3:01 pm

I have a really hard time believing Ricky Town ends up here but that would be absolutely fantastic if he did! Thanks for sharing BC.

Comment by PittHW 08.20.15 @ 3:12 pm

no Revis?

Comment by hiram684 08.20.15 @ 3:36 pm

Very impressive representation by Pitt legends in the FBWA 75th All-American selections. It’s hard to argue with their selections. As always, the selections are subjective.

Nice to see Pitt well represented. Hail to Pitt!

Comment by MariettaMike 08.20.15 @ 3:52 pm

Do not know if I read correct but 5 of 57 is almost 10% are Pitt players and we beat out the Domers and the Nitters thats ok by me for the ups and downs this program has been through.

Comment by pitt 60 08.20.15 @ 4:01 pm

Ha ha, woo-hoo, ah-ha,

that you didn’t know where I stand says enough.

Comment by Dan 08.20.15 @ 4:16 pm

If Aaron Donald has a strong pro career he’ll be on the 100 yr. list.

Comment by Iron Duke 08.20.15 @ 4:18 pm

I honestly can’t think of any other Pedo players who deserve it. Maybe Arrington. Mike Munchak?

Comment by Iron Duke 08.20.15 @ 4:23 pm

The Dream On YouTube video was “the bomb”!

They need to play that video and blast the music to start the season – that will get the place rockin – well maybe not. We need to win –

Maybe save it for Homecoming when we are 4-0 and UVA comes to Heinz Field.

Yea…

Comment by Erie Express 08.20.15 @ 4:56 pm

On the QB issue – there’s no question that NP didn’t look so great in the games he played at Tenn.

Coach Chaney said that Tenn ran a no-huddle offense — I’m hoping that NP may be more suited to the slower-paced huddling-up approach that Coach C. is using at Pitt and that that change may help NP play more to his potential.

I’d actually like to see both CV and NP get some time — if their “production levels” are similar.

Go Pitt.

Comment by MajorMajors 08.20.15 @ 5:11 pm

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Have to question Hugh Green being on the second team. Hendricks was a terror – I get him. I had no idea who Leon Hart was, so I looked him up.

Leon Hart was from Turtle Creek – weird. Won the Heisman at ND in 1949. Looks like he was something of a physical freak for his time – at 6’5″ and 257 pounds. No wonder he dominated at DE…

Only one Nit on the team – and he’s a third teamer – and no one from WVU. Yikes…

PG should be all over this one. ๐Ÿ˜‰

Go Pitt.

Comment by MajorMajors 08.20.15 @ 5:20 pm

Tells me we should have won more championships.

Comment by TX Panther 08.20.15 @ 5:38 pm

No glory in making a list for individual merit if your team SUCKS.

Comment by TX Panther 08.20.15 @ 5:39 pm

And Pitt has SUCKED for decades. Fantastic players. Mediocre to under-performing teams. Teams win championships…not players. I want championships. I could care less if ANY player EVER makes one of these lists.

Comment by TX Panther 08.20.15 @ 5:41 pm

Anthony Morelli should have at least been on the third team….at Pitt during those years! HA!

I would have this list in 90 font all over the facilities along with the ones that didn’t make it to show what true greatness looks like. For our list, each of the players listed changed the way the game was played. Also, Pitt should get those players together for a photo shoot. All wore the Script except for Fitz and Iron Mike, right?

Pitt should always get the living college hall of famers, nfl hall of famers, and all-time team players together for photo shoots!

Comment by dhuffdaddy 08.20.15 @ 5:48 pm

The blather also produces legends!

Comment by dhuffdaddy 08.20.15 @ 5:49 pm

Despite being a first rounder, Revis wasn’t even a third team All-American. He was Honorable Mention which just shows you the lack of exposure the BE got after Miami and VT split.

Comment by wbb 08.20.15 @ 6:04 pm

@ TX Panther, teams are made up of a multitude of individuals both players and coaches. The chemistry needed to produce legendary teams involves so many variables all working in concert to get the job done, consistently! The magic often results from the sum of it’s parts rather than the undeniable will of any one individual within the organization to create that Championship team.

To ignore those truly talented players accomplishments that have played at Pitt, all of whom BTW were “team” players during their Pitt days shows a lack of respect towards those who have personally succeeded while in a Panther uniform.

Sorry but irrespective of your desire for “team” success, these guys all have earned the honors and accolades that they have received. You’re way off base on this one.

Comment by Dr. Tom 08.20.15 @ 6:14 pm

Tx, I would say TD, HG, and Fralic played on some of the best teams in college football. You say no??

Comment by JoeKnew 08.20.15 @ 6:22 pm

It truly must be something in the water in Texas! Take a Dale Carnegie course or something lol.

Comment by JoeKnew 08.20.15 @ 6:28 pm

This Sam Werner has to be the worst College Beat writer in history. He takes off in the middle of training camp. His too lazy to write, so he just puts up videos. What a disgrace! Bring back Zeiss. Werner has more interest in Carnegie-Mellon than Pitt.

Comment by bob 08.20.15 @ 7:01 pm

bob – people said the same thing about Zeiss. Lol. The beat writers are just Pitt cronies. They have a 30 min window of practice and get fed puff pieces to talk about. It’s why the Trib and PG always have very similar stories at the same time. It’s also why Reed probably gets eyed with an untrustworthy eye … they can’t control his message.

I love how Chaney says Voytik is the starter and people still think there is a QB competition. You don’t announce a starter if you expect it to change fellas.

Comment by Tossing Thabeets 08.20.15 @ 7:12 pm

I’m not ignoring those talents. Yes with better coaching and other parts or players on the teams, those teams could have been great. Was Pitt great in the early 80’s? No championships to show for all that talent. Coaching was also not an issue then like it has been over the past 25 years. Its great that Pitt produces so much NFL talent. But show me some championships. Thats the name of the game. It takes great players, coaches, fans and administration to produce champions. None of these greats except Dorsett was a champion. Dont you want to be a champion in the end. Thats better than individually being great. So accolades to being great at your position but ask these guys if they would trade off being great for being a champion. You know the answer.

I guess the real question is why does Pitt produce so many individual greats but only 1 championship to show for it. We already know some of the answers as to why. Thats why I’m encouraged with competence in the admin and coaching ranks. And an emphasis on recruiting players who are winners and can help the team win. Frankly I dont care if Pitt ever gets another Fitz or Fralic or Green. As long as those championships come, the team could be comprised of kittens for all I care.

Comment by TX Panther 08.20.15 @ 7:29 pm

I’d like to see a list of the best football teams over the past 75 years. I would think the ’76 team comes in at #15 while the ’80 team is ranked #19.

And again I’m not disparaging individual talent but don’t get too excited about players on teams that weren’t champions. Their greatness is diminished somewhat. TD and Green are the only ones I’d put on that list.

Comment by TX Panther 08.20.15 @ 7:36 pm

And Joey come on down to Texas. The water does taste better and it’ll clean your soul. ๐Ÿ™‚

Comment by TX Panther 08.20.15 @ 7:40 pm

How could Hugh Green be 2nd team? He should have won the Heisman over that big school clown RB who won.

He was the best college LB I ever saw…period.

Comment by Jackagain 08.20.15 @ 7:50 pm

I meant DE…but actually the best defensive player I ever saw at any position.

Comment by Jackagain 08.20.15 @ 7:58 pm

The best football team I’ve seen in my football watching days is the 95′ Nebraska team and the 2001 Miami team. People say the 80 Pitt team is the best to never win a title and if they did go undefeated would be in discussion for best all time.

Comment by Tossing Thabeets 08.20.15 @ 8:00 pm

The 80 team was one of the best ever in my opinion. Much better than the 76 team.

Have been to Texas several times, sorry, little to hot in spring, summer and fall and ice storms in winter. Guess it is all in the eye of the beholder.

There are different ways to look at it, championships voted on by writers, OK , maybe all those teams got votes from conference members voting as a block and they really were not that good, just had the pub! Yea, the 80 team lost to FSU, and OSU got beat by Va Tech, shit happens.

Bottom line is we have had the chance to see greatness, just because the team didn’t win it all takes nothing away from my sheer joy watching Fitz make some of the greatest plays I have seen, or Hugh dominating for 4 yrs. like no other.

Comment by JoeKnew 08.20.15 @ 8:09 pm

It is hard to believe AD doesn’t make this list. The guy swept an unprecedented number of EOY awards. It has to be the timing of it. It was just too recently I guess.

Comment by Barvo 08.20.15 @ 8:15 pm

I agree Joe. There was joy when I saw Fitz make that great catch at A&M. There was joy when I watched HG terrorize teams. There was joy when I saw Iron Head run all over the Hurricanes. But there was also sadness when I saw the ’81 team lose to the Pedo’s on the last game of the year at Pitt Stadium. And sadness when Pitt lost to the Domers in ’77. I want to erase those fuckin memories. I want Pitt to be champions again with players of good individual talent that produce great team chemistry. I want Pitt to be part of the City of Champions and not just be known for great individuals in a team sport.

Comment by TX Panther 08.20.15 @ 8:41 pm

Mike Singletary over Dick Butkus is a joke. Also, Elway and Stabler behind Tebow. Really?

Comment by Chethejet 08.20.15 @ 8:48 pm

A more telling list is for the college and NFL HOFs.

link to nfl.com

Especially after we add Revis and Fitz.

Comment by Frank MD 08.20.15 @ 9:13 pm

Little surprised that Leon Hart beat out Hugh Green, but he was a legend. Feel connected to him, Hendricks and Green. Born in Turtle Creek, went to school with the “stork”, came back here got a masters at Pitt and saw most of Hugh’s games. Sorry Leon, Green and Hendricks should be first team.
Also Tony D is probably the best of all time in college..

Comment by Jimbo 08.20.15 @ 9:17 pm

Just for giggles, we should all realize that we arenโ€™t the only ones struggling since the year 2000. If you consider this struggling, we have good company.

Pitt : 107-80
Stanford : 101-82
ND : 115-72
PSU : 115-71

The most interesting point on top of the records is that Pitt would not have out recruited any of the above schools according to the services by a landslide. It works out to a 1/2 game disparity per year in record between Pitt, ND and PSU. The national perception is that Stanford, ND and PSU run circles around Pitt, but the record suggests something much different. Speaking of records, Pitt currently sits at 696 wins!! Do we have something scheduled for 700 wins??? REED, what I want to see is a big celebration of 700 wins!! There are only 15 division 1 schools ahead of us if you take out the Ivy’s.

Comment by dhuffdaddy 08.20.15 @ 9:37 pm

TX Panther – I saw at that game. Walked out with TD. A&M fand were so nice and friendly.

Comment by Upittbaseball 08.20.15 @ 9:57 pm

Gotta get Reuben Brown into the Pro HOF.

Somewhat surprised that most of our great players were on the offense. But we had the best D-Line ever. Green, Jackson Boyarsky, Meisner, and Neil, so great that Sam Clancy could not make the team.

Comment by gc 08.20.15 @ 10:18 pm

read a few posts lately about Pitt quickly turning things around a la Baylor. But Baylor not only is surrounded by a wealth of HS talent (a la Pitt in 70s), there’s also this …

link to usatoday.com

Comment by wbb 08.21.15 @ 7:13 am

Only a Pitt fan like would TX Panther would take this post and turn it into a reason to dump on Pitt.

Comment by milobloom 08.21.15 @ 8:48 am

Ped St – 107 strong, 1 third teamer. LOL LOL

Comment by rkb 08.21.15 @ 9:18 am

dhuff great stats, with you on 700. Reed you should inquire of E.J. of a HUGE celebration.

Comment by rkb 08.21.15 @ 10:00 am

@milo Please be nice to TX.

Although I’ve never met him personally, I’ve blogged with him as far back as 2000. Hell, he and I were the only regular bloggers supporting Pitt on one of the premier Big East chat boards at the time (Big East Boards).

His posts are not negative. They are witty and realistic. It’s no secret that our University has de-emphasized athletic excellence over the years. This has created huge frustration among the supporters and fan base. The tide appears to be turning, but it’s time to back it up. He wants results. So do I. So should all Pitt supporters. I believe it’s OK to be a little gun shy on positive news given the last 25 years. I also believe it’s OK to expect great things.

H2P

Comment by pittbluegold 08.21.15 @ 11:42 am

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