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March 17, 2015

Open Thread: Opening NIT, GW-Pitt

Filed under: Basketball,Open Thread — Chas @ 1:38 pm

7pm on ESPN tonight.

I’m assuming the hashtag #NITerrific will be in effect tonight on Twitter. Hopefully only with humor, cynicism and a touch sarcasm; but not bitterness. It’s fine line between being willing to poke fun at your own team and self-loathing/hatred.

GW was never a serious threat to make the NCAA Tournament, but they had a solid season. Big wins over Wichita State (and even, Hawai’i dammit) to win the Diamond Head Classic. Wins over NCAA Tournament teams Dayton and Rhode Island in the A-10.

They aren’t a particularly deep team, as four of their starting players average 30 minutes or more. Their top six players accounted for 86.45% of the available minutes this past year. They also don’t rely on any one scorer. Those same top-4  starting players averaged between 12.4 and 10.2 points per game.

Their tempo is close to Pitt’s both are in the 300s per KenPom. GW has a slightly better defense than offense.

There’s not a lot of familiarity with GW, and it has been a while since they played one another.

George Washington has good size and is one of the better rebounding teams in the country. Pitt is undersized and have consistently struggled with big teams.

Junior guard/?forward Patricio Garino is the Colonials’ leading scorer (12.4 points per game, 5.3 rebounds per game), but they have three others who average double figures. That makes their attack balanced.

Although George Washington and Pitt haven’t played each other in a long time there is some history between the programs.

They were two of the original members of the Eastern Collegiate Basketball League, which became known as the Eastern 8. That conference, which existed from 1976-81 before morphing into the A-10 in 1982, consisted of Pitt, Penn State, Villanova, George Washington, West Virginia, Duquesne, Rutgers and Massachusetts.

Villanova left for the Big East in 1980, and Pitt left for the Big East in 1982. Over those two years St. Bonaventure, Rhode Island, Temple and St. Joseph’s joined.

Pitt enjoys a 17-9 series edge over George Washington. The series was close until the final few seasons, when Pitt won six of seven meetings with the Colonials.

1982 was the last time the two teams met.

There may be a sense of how the game might go early. Given that the Colonials are streaky on their 3-point shooting.

Pitt’s deficiencies on defense have been chronicled all season.

The Panthers rank No. 304 among 345 Division I teams in steals per game (5.1), No. 290 in field-goal defense (45.2 percent), No. 250 in 3-point defense (35.6) and blocks per game (2.8), and No. 148 in scoring defense (65.8 points).

George Washington is a streaky 3-point shooting team capable of explosive outbursts.

In the Colonials past two victories, they connected on 24 of 38 3-pointers, including 14 of 18 triples in a 87-65 victory over Massachusetts. Conversely, the Colonials only hit 1 of 16 3-pointers in a 71-58 loss to Rhode Island in the Atlantic 10 Tournament quarterfinals.

“We’re last in 3-point field goal defense in conference play,” said Dixon, whose team also ranks last in the ACC in field-goal percentage. “And yet we’re right there for fewest attempts. Guys are making shots on us at a high rate. It’s hard to understand.”

Yes and no.

There have definitely been some games where Pitt just got destroyed by a team that was hot/streaky shooting on 3s. The Clemson game comes to mind. Others where they took a chance on letting them shoot 3s to defend the interior — Duke — and paid dearly. Then there were more than a few games where Pitt’s perimeter defense was just plain awful. Slow to rotate or get out on shooters. Giving too much respect to dribble penetration to give the cushion for players to square up and take clean looks.

I would prefer to see Pitt play tight on the perimeter to start the game — even giving up some drives to the basket — rather than letting GW get comfortable and confident in shooting 3s early.

Of course, the problem for Pitt has been doing what they know they are supposed to do.

Sophomore Jamel Artis may lead the Panthers in scoring as a first-year starter, but he’s more concerned with how things stack up defensively.

“Team defense,” Artis said. “We have to make stops as a team. Our guards have to stay in front of people.”

The Panthers’ inability to prevent opposing guards from penetrating and kicking the ball out to open shooters has resulted in season-long defensive breakdowns.

“It’s (not) understanding, it has to be,” Dixon said, “because we’re drilling it, we’re showing it, and it’s just not coming across and not getting done.”

It’s been the problem. The players themselves have consistently acknowledged what they are supposed to do. But come game time, more often than not, they don’t.





Old School … Not that you care, but your last 4 posts may be the best ever! Loved your Billy Knight story. I was a freshman
when he was rehabbing and saw his IM team play. I grew up playing one on one with Mickey Martin, one of the greatest
All round athletes I ever knew, and he introduced me to Billy later. A truly nice guy!

My claim to Pitt Athletic fame was pitching on the JV Baseball team. We used to scrimmage the varsity at Pitt Stadium. Doc
Medich hit my forkball out of Pitt Stadium, the long way! Even Coach Lewis marveled.

Cannot stand to discuss basketball any more.
Situation is hopeless !

Comment by Dan 72 03.18.15 @ 11:21 am

Here’s a Non-Con for you — for FB

Pitt and Tennessee will play a 2 game home and home in 2021 and 2022

Comment by wbb 03.18.15 @ 11:22 am

At Neyland Stadium in ’21, at Heinz in ’22

Comment by wbb 03.18.15 @ 11:26 am

I am still angry I bought two tickets to last nights game. Athletic department should have gave free tickets to all season ticket holder and free green beer, as a show of loyalty to people who have showed up. Also all students and employees of the University should have been given a free pass.

What a complete embarrassment for the University last night on national TV.

Still want to know the purpose of the leak that Uchebo and Haughton are leaving.

And what was the big news that someone hinted at a couple weeks ago.

We need a strong AD sooner rather than later.

Comment by gc 03.18.15 @ 11:33 am

DD, I just tweeted it to him! hopefully he’ll read it and give some serious thought to implementing some of the ISU program’s characteristics.

Comment by scott 03.18.15 @ 11:48 am

I watched all but two games this year. I told a friend of mine after the first few games that it was going to be a long year because we had no inside presence on defense and were terrible on offense when it came to finishing around the basket. Giving up easy inside baskets and missing so many of those opportunities on our end just killed us. Those things stayed consistent for most of the season. We can fix the inside defense if Nix plays well. I don’t know how we fix the fact that we stink around the basket. We can’t win if we are forced to shoot lights-out from the outside. Most teams could not do that.

Comment by HbgFrank 03.18.15 @ 12:02 pm

OBSERVATION: the BB program is in total disarray. Jamie, rightly so, concentrated on getting better offensive and athletic players. Problem is these guys are only average athletically and offensively and can not play D. BIG PROBLEM!
The Kentucky’s of the world have players who are all solid offensively, defensively, and athletically!!!! What a great concept!!!
REALITY: Jamie is unable to recruit these type of players.
SOLUTION: I like Jamie but it may be time to hire a HC who can get all around talented players. Jamie has clearly proven he can not do it.

Comment by pittman4ever 03.18.15 @ 12:18 pm

Dan 72 & old school – good stories…I was in a pick-up game at Trees and Iron Head dunked on us. I thought about setting up for a charge but thought better of it.

Comment by KeyboardKev 03.18.15 @ 1:37 pm

The two biggest misses that have killed us are that JR didn’t get any better, especially shooting the ball and driving the lane, and Newkirk has self destructed. Newkirk needs to go to guard boot camp this summer.

Just hope all of our guys rededicate themselves to getting better this off season.

Comment by gc 03.18.15 @ 1:50 pm

Gents: I called my friend this morn, a former Pitt great so we could laugh at how the announcers muffed his first name last night. My connections to Pitt athletics go back to an incident that might be one of the greatest stories in US sports history; pre dental student John Woodruff’s feat at the Olympics was legend and in this day of hedonism too many don’t know. It’s a pleasure to share with you gents stories about Pittsburgh athletes worth remembering. That’s why everyone connected with the University if not the region should be embarrassed and refuse to tolerate what we saw last night. And it’s on Dixon. We need Moonie or a similar high road guy to do what Ozzie has done for Balt. In spite what some of you guys posted I’d work a termination agreement with Dixon, pay him out over 5 years a reduced amount. He’ll cave when he understands Pitt wants him out. I agree with anyone who is incredulous over a 10 year deal. Nobody in their right mind does that, that’s a better deal than Papa Doc got in Haiti.

Fellow with references to Bushmills: try Redbreast 12 not 15. Best Irish whiskey south of the asteroid belt.

Comment by Old School Panther 03.18.15 @ 2:28 pm

Nix is a good basketball player but he cannot get up and down the court at 300 lbs. Maybe at 275 but if you watch his tapes, his team had to wait for him to catch up 3 out of every 4 trips this past year. Unless the NCAA switches to half court basketball, he is a non factor.

Slog ball would have to turn into slug ball!

Comment by Dan 72 03.18.15 @ 3:13 pm

Good stuff Old School Panther !

I remember when Pitt announced Dixon got the 10 year extension, Charles Barkley was like…wtf.

Didn’t they just get bounced in the 1st game of the NCAA’s and played horribly.

Comment by Emel 03.18.15 @ 3:14 pm

Pitt has now lost the first game in a tournament.

2009 BigEast Tourny
2010 BigEast ”
2011 BigEast ”
2013 BigEast ”
2015 ACC ”
2013 NCAA ”
2015 NIT ”

Pitt finished this year losing 10 of the last 16 games.

Comment by Emel 03.18.15 @ 3:23 pm

lol….SlogBall 2.0. Even if Nix is adequate on the order of McGhee, you still have a bunch of average or below average perimeter shooters who can’t or won’t drive to the rim. They’d rather just hoist up a 15-20 footer. And you still have a PG, who can neither shoot, dribble penetrate or create his own shot or create many open looks for his teammates.

And then you have the little problem, that none of them can play defense. And seem to care to.

Comment by Emel 03.18.15 @ 3:27 pm

gc…totally on target…they should have given away tickets as you said.

You know, among the 30 things that have me perpexed about this season is the fact that, say what you will about Dixon, the man clearly can evaluate defensive talent. Or at least I thought so. I don’t think he would willingly throw away his desires and needs for great defenders to get what he got in this crew. That would be like Upitt all of a sudden liking Steve Pederson. I can’t believe it. But clearly, either Dixon DID give up caring about defense to get better offensive players, or he lost the talent to evaluate defense.

Actually, what probably happened is, he thought he could teach it. But clearly defense is not 100% teachable. Some of it is inherent in one’s heart, with not caring about getting really physical out there, etc.

And maybe that is why he lost his players this year. Pushing them to learn something that in their hearts they had no desire to learn. They got sick of it and stopped listening to him.

Comment by DD 03.18.15 @ 3:33 pm

@ DD

The color commentator noted during the game last nite, that Pitt’s players were not even in the correct defensive posture.

And that could explain, why every team seems to be able to go right around them like they’re pylons.

Comment by Emel 03.18.15 @ 5:16 pm

LOL…Dokish is blocking my comments now on his 3rd rate site. I posted that Dixon is the 2nd best coach at pitt and he couldn’t handle the truth. What a dopeish…

Comment by Jackagain 03.18.15 @ 7:16 pm

Old School Panther re basketball intramurals & Billy Knight

Sounds like you did better than we did in the opening round of the payoffs. I think the final score was something like 100 to 12. Only game in my life where I just wanted it to be over. My first time out was at about 8 sec mark where I had to instruct the rest of the team not to turn their heads because I would need help bringing the ball up court. Second time out was at about 2 minutes into the game when I blurted out “Who the f**k are these guys?”

Comment by 9-2,8-4,11-1,11-1,11-1 03.19.15 @ 11:21 am

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