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August 24, 2014

Now that we are at the halfway mark of Paul Chryst’s contract to be the head football coach at PITT and entering his third season in that position, it is a good point in time to step back and take a semi-detached look at where the football program was, is now and what the future looks like.

There is no real need to get into the details, weeds, swamp or muck about what has transpired at PITT after the 2009 season.  We PITT fans know the history like the back of our hand.  But, for clarity it is important to understand the situation PITT was in, why we were in it and what Chryst stepped into as his first job as a head coach.

The upshot is that when PITT offered Chryst the head job we had just run through four different ‘real’ HCs in the 13 month period after Dave Wannstedt was fired (the slowest firing in the history of football by the way).  Four head coaches in a bit over one year might have been a Guinness World Record.  Granted a couple of those HCs were blips on the radar; Mike Haywood didn’t even have time to buy any PITT gear before he was fired and Todd Graham, he of the “High Octane” offense, lasted one season before he pulled chocks and left in the dead of night. Trey Anderson said it best with this quote “I take a nap for 2 hours; wake up to find out my head coach is gone.”

We can debate forever the wisdom of firing Wannstedt after his run as the most successful coach in the last 25 years.  Then again PITT has a track record of jettisoning and/or not fighting to keep successful head coaches.  The decision making in dealing  with Jackie Sherrill right up through Walt Harris and ending with Dave Wannstedt are examples of PITT’s administration acting in ways some fans don’t understand or agree with.  Whether it isn’t offering a truly competitive salary (Sherrill) or firing for cause including issues external to football itself (Harris and Wannstedt), PITT has danced to the beat of its own drum.

Those decisions angered PITT fans royally when they happened but that antagonism has been tamped down now that we are able to look at them with some distance in our rear view mirror, you know – the rear view mirror you have with the nine national championship mini-trophies dangling from it.

After the 2010 season PITT administration considered Chryst for the top job but then went in a different direction, straight into hell actually.  I feel we’d all be a happier bunch had our Athletic Director Steve Pederson and Chancellor Mark Nordenberg hired Chryst back in early 2011 instead of choosing the demon Beelzebub.  It is reasonable to think that this year we’d be starting Chryst’s fourth season and, I’m projecting now, most probably satisfied with the direction of the program.

Which brings us to the meat of this article; ‘What position is PITT football in with our current athletic department, coaching staff and player personnel?’  Onto the fun stuff…

Chryst was hired with strong direction from the university’s administration to change both the football program’s shortcomings in play and the negative perception the public, including some of our own fans, had developed of the program.  There is no doubt the coaching carousel had a harmful impact to our football reputation but also impacted negatively on the recruiting front; two things a winning program needs in order to have continued success.  Big money donors don’t just want a victorious team; they also need to know that their money is indeed going to a good cause.  Our fans want to know that the university is adhering to the tenets of student-athlete traditions while striving to win on the field of play.  Additionally, we all want the local and national sports media to point to PITT’s glorious football past of pre-World War II and the 1976 through the 1983 seasons but also have PITT be part of the current national conversations about college football.

Has this happened yet? I believe it’s getting there.  Every season that passes and we don’t have negative headlines is a good year for us, sad to say.  Setting aside normal occurrences that any major college program has with suspensions and transfers, PITT has been on an even keel since Chryst’s hire.  Some might say that the keel is too even considering Chryst has a perfect 13-13 wins and losses. Others look at the 360 degrees of the program and see tangible advances.

A college head coach who understands and believes that he is truly a key component in his employing university’s life looks at his responsibilities through a wider lens than seeing only the boundaries of a football field.  Paul Chryst is this kind of coach.  You can tell from his recruiting choices and his expanding walk-on program that academic ability is an important part of the staff’s player evaluation process.  He has stated this publically and then has put it into action.

One who thinks this is unnecessary, or not desirable, because they believe the only job a head coach has is to win football games has a limited view of the situation in my opinion.  Having players who are both good students and skilled athletes on the roster impacts the program in many ways. The ability to grasp and execute schemes, the detailed playbook and the program’s student-athlete policies helps to strengthen the leadership of those who are confident in reaching out to help underclassmen or the players who haven’t had a chance to play much yet.  We fans talk a lot about the impact a positive atmosphere in the locker room has on the team’s identity and thus its accomplishments and this is an example of creating that.

With all that said the true test for any head coach is the ability to mold a roster full of those young adults he’s bringing to PITT into a winning team, preferably a championship one.  Whether or not Chryst has done that yet isn’t in question because he hasn’t and it won’t get answered until we get through this 2014 season, hopefully with more wins than losses.  Most PITT fans understand that the situation at PITT Chryst inherited would take some time to stabilize and then turn into a constant winning program.  I think I speak for all of us in saying that 2014  has to be a winning season for us to stay optimistic about Chryst’s actual coaching abilities.

It was evident from the start of Chryst’s time at PITT that he wanted to remold the team into his own, with the roster and his two-deep lineup of players and with the reset of how the team and staff planned to play their opponents.  We have read that PITT has the youngest roster in D1 football this year and that didn’t happen by accident.  Chryst had a longer range vision of the team’s progress than many fans wanted, but he still recruited and played his own players as soon as possible.  We addressed this issue in an earlier Blather piece when we looked at the attrition that has happened under this staff since December of 2012.

To quote from that article:

That is at least 21 players (if my memory serves) and 21 scholarships Chryst had to use for more of his own recruits.  That is also a 25% turnover generated by circumstances aside from the normal end of career attrition.  You can assume that many of those recruited in place of the departed will get decent PT this year, especially when it happened last season as Chryst fielded 19 FR and true SO kids who were his recruits on the two deep listing.  That folks is a young ass team and exactly how Chryst is building for the 2015 season and beyond.”

That is a bold move especially from a guy who is in his first ‘Big Boy” job.  Of course it always begs the question similar to the chicken and the egg; did Chryst want to start playing FR and SOs right away or was he forced into it through lack of talent on hand and the recent departures?

I think the answer lies more on the first side of that equation  because a lot of those player’s departures and transfers were accomplished ‘with a little help from their friends’ much like we see Coles doing now.  In doing that Chryst knew that in his first two years on the job he’d be playing kids not far removed from high school.

This article so far has been about the underpinnings of the football program and what we’ve seen occur in the past two years.  But what plan does Chryst have moving forward and playing the games with his current personnel?  We all know that players play the game and if a coach doesn’t get the right fits there is usually a big problem.

I’ve stated before that IMO PC’s approach to recruiting has followed the Wisconsin model and that is to get the highest talent, most highly rated kids he can for the skill positions on offense.  We have been watching that take place going back to his work keeping Voytik committed after Graham split. That was an interesting action in that Voytik really didn’t fit the mold of almost all the QBs Chryst worked with as the OC at Wisconsin.  Forget about Russell Wilson in that discussion of QB types; Wilson reached out to Chryst and Wisconsin specifically to have Chryst tutor him in the NFL’s pocket passer style of play.

With that successful endeavor behind him Chryst knew that he could teach Voytik to take his natural talent and develop a different style himself.  SoChrystwanted Voytik to stay at PITT as a QB he could start working with him right away and the fruits will pay off this season. The recruitment of QB Adam Bertke might be the steal of the 2014 recruiting class.  Give him this year to redshirt and we’ll see some good play from him.

Our recruiting of the OL and the RBs has had the same emphasis.  Everyone thinks Chryst recruited Conner as a DE but I believe it is more likely that position was only what the recruiting services projected Conner as playing in college.  It could be that Conner was destined at RB as soon as he set foot on campus and the departure of Shell sped that process up. Either way he’s a good one with three more years to play.   Grabbing Chris James was a coup and those dividends will pay sooner rather than later; Qadree Ollison is showing what he can do and making it hard to redshirt him given his eye opening play in camp and the recent commitment from Darrin Hall continues the string of solid and talented backs.

Our WR corps is supremely talented and also very, very young.  Sophomore Tyler Boyd needs no explanation as he’s already hit stardom.  Perhaps the most anticipated true freshman on the roster is Adonis Jennings who, with his raw talent, could easily replicate what we lost in the departure of Street at least as far as number of catches (51) and number of TDs (7).  Jennings will be the 3rd receiver within a few weeks of play.

Personally, even with the striking talent of Conner and Boyd, the unit I’m most looking forward to watching over the next few years is the offensive line and the young recruits we’ve brought in to bolster it.  This year’s version will be advanced over 2013 I think but the real production from the young OL kids will be 2015-2017.

Youngsters Dorian Johnson (5*), Adam Bisnowaty (4*), Alex Bookser (4*), Mike Grimm (4*) and Jaryd-Jones Smith, who has kicked ass in camp, make an excellent nucleus to construct a talented two-deep around.  These kids may just have a chance to replicate some of our OL glory years of the 1980s.

When looking at how the future PITT football teams are being built today one of Chryst’s better decisions was to use scholarships on kickers and then land two kids who were nationally  ranked recruits.  Chris Blewitt and Ryan Winslow are a SO and a rsFR respectively.  Both are good and will be with us for years.

That’s the offense and I feel very satisfied with the personnel we have now but especially with the future starting lineups.  The defense is harder for me to project as my opinion is that defense relies more on proper schemes and game planning than it does on individual player’s skills, so I won’t do it except to say it will be a question mark.

Which now brings us to the biggest question marks of all when discussing the current and future state of the football program, the coaching staff. My feeling is that I’m perfectly OK with how Paul Chryst has run the program off the field up to this point.  Regarding his direct impact on our won-lost record is harder to gauge.  As a first timer in the head coaching ranks I think it is safe to say he was learning on the job over his first two years.  He made some glaring mistakes in clock management and some head scratching wins and losses.

From a loss to YSU and a win against VT in ’12 to losses to Navy and North Carolina and a win over ND last season this team has been maddeningly inconsistent and part of that is due the coaching itself starting with the HC.  Chryst doesn’t have a hard time getting his players both up for the game and giving 100% during it.  We saw just the opposite at time from his two predecessors when the team seemed to mail it in after falling behind in some games.  That hasn’t happened with Chryst and I don’t expect it to.

It’s now year three and there can’t be anymore ‘new to the job’ reasons for not winning a football game.  Chryst has his players in place, albeit their young ages. He has tweaked his coaching staff and it appears to be pretty well set as far as the OC and position coaches go.  We lost a very good WR coach in Bobby Engram but picked up three good ones in Lewis (WRs), Settle (RBs) Palermo (DEs) and Douglas (Secondary).  From what I gather this is a staff that Chryst wants to keep together as long as he can and after two years of tweaking it he has the personnel he feels comfortable with.

Of course the elephant in the room for this season and then for 2015 is how well our Defensive Coordinator, Matt House, does after his initial season in the position last year.  I truly don’t know what to say about this except we need to watch and see how this season’s defense turns out before we can pass any real judgment on his abilities as a DC.

To summarize all of this I think we’ve a pretty bright future ahead of us both as an overall football program and with the teams we’ll field in competition.  I’m the type of fan who cares as much about what happens off the field as on it and I think we’ve got a good handle on that now.  I look at the roster and see not just youth but talented and smart young players who have their best years in front of them.  Along with them we have some experienced upperclassmen showing the younger kids how to do things the right way and how to conduct themselves as student-athletes.

Finally I see a head coach who appears to really enjoy not only being the leader of the football program and a mentor to 100+ impressionable players but who also truly enjoys being associated with the University of Pittsburgh and the city itself.  That is no small matter of importance.  We have struggled by over the last three years and yet still maintained a decent won- loss record considering what could have been the start of a real downward slide.  I’m an optimist at heart but even setting that aside I feel good about the program because I think some hard decisions had to be made and were and some good decisions in different areas of the program followed.  I like what I see and am looking forward to this season unfolding and watching how the following years shape up.

 

 

 





^dark horse^ (naturally)

Comment by Emel 08.25.14 @ 11:29 am

edit to my post @ 11:07 during HC presser:

Amara also WILL play

also per Sam Werner PG tweet:

Chryst forgot to mention him at the beginning, but freshman DE Rori Blair will also play this year for #Pitt

Comment by wbb 08.25.14 @ 11:39 am

link to pittsburgh.rivals.com

more data about 2-deep

Comment by wbb 08.25.14 @ 11:45 am

Pitt vs Delaware: Mellons vs DuPonts: Steel vs Kevlar.

Comment by alcofan 08.25.14 @ 11:53 am

@ Reed

Very good comprehensive, sort of; state of the state (football program), article on where PITT has been most recently, where we are presently and where we all hope we are going. Very much appreciate the efforts.

Winning sports programs or winning organizations of any type require very good to great leaders at the top.

If they’re just so-so it reflects in the overall organization.

As of right now, PC regardless of how much we like him as a person, has been so-so. There are some encouraging signs however.

I do like the fact that he seems to be recruiting kids that are not only athletes but are scholars or near scholars or who if nothing else are serious about their education and appreciate the fact that PITT is a world class university in a very special city. And is giving them an opportunity to earn a degree that will last far after they hang up the cleats.

If we can make PITT a destination place for kids like this, much as Stanford has done recently on the west coast, that would give us all something to be very proud about.

A top level tier team with real student athletes. as opposed to a football factory, with basically thugs in disguise.

PITT & PC are trying to do something that will hopefully not only produce wins on the field, but also create outstanding PITT alumni and leaders in that most important game…..the Game of Life.

Comment by Emel 08.25.14 @ 12:12 pm

Jay Paterno new book about JoePa is available now on Amazon and will be in book stores on 9/1 .. but unfortunately, if you want a signed copy, you will have to wait longer

Comment by wbb 08.25.14 @ 12:26 pm

Pitt’s approach in football reminds me very much of the philosophy of another team in town – the Pirates. Both Pitt football and the Buccos have gone through extended lean years after a good run of success in the 70’s. Both seem to finally have a solid, long-term plan to build the program/team into one with consistent, above-average results. Both follow a more conservative approach to coaching and personnel decisions. Both fan bases have a lot of pent up frustration and are hungry for even moderate success. The Bucs finally soothed some of the fan frustration last year.

And if you could squeeze the truth out of the leaders of both Pitt and the Pirates, I believe they would tell you that they would be perfectly thrilled to be kind-of, sort-of in contention for a division title most years, but have no designs on ever taking their respective teams to the proverbial next level. Both have a ceiling that is considered acceptable to those in charge.

Right now, most of us would take 9-4 for Pitt football every year until death do us part. But after 4-5 years of that, we’d want more. Once fans taste success, the bar is raised and they want more success. Pitt’s administration always seems to find a way to lower the bar just when us fans think its time to raise it.

I like HCPC, and I think he is going to do well here by the standards of the last 30 years. And I’m thrilled that Pitt is in the ACC and not the AAC. But I have no delusions that Pitt will ever be consistently more than a competitive team in the ACC Coastal Division.

I guess what keeps me interested is blind faith that there still might be that one magical year where the schedule, talent, and football gods align to give us a run at something more. As Andy Dufresne said in the Shawshank Redemption, “Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies”. Here’s to hope. H2P

Comment by Iron Duke 08.25.14 @ 12:35 pm

Iron Duke, I guess we are the Pirates, and Bama and FSU are the Yankees and Red Sox

Comment by wbb 08.25.14 @ 12:57 pm

Since game attendance is always a favorite topic here. Here’s a quite interesting article that more than suggests, student attendance is more than just a problem at PITT.

Seems the facebook/twitter generation isn’t particularly enamored with just the game of college football itself. Unless of course texting while game is in progress.

The decline of the Gladiator games, especially among the young, is not a good indicator of a thriving Republic.

link to usatoday.com

P.S. Word of caution, Cornhole is quoted.

Comment by Emel 08.25.14 @ 1:08 pm

Oh and really interesting, students that leave early from the game.

PITT students must have been, way ahead of the curve on that one.

Comment by Emel 08.25.14 @ 1:10 pm

Off topic but need the help of the Pitt faithful. I bought a sweet early 90’s game worn mustard and blue Pitt jersey off of Ebay. It is number 97, Katsock. Anyone know who this guy was/when he played? I’m guessing it’s during the Johnny Majors II era. I can’t find anything about it so far.

Comment by AJ 08.25.14 @ 1:17 pm

Thx for the article Reed, no reason to defend your position. Pitt needed stability, stability will produce wins, wins will produce higher ranked players. HCPC is still establishing stability hopefully it turns into a few more wins this year, I believe it will. 5* recruits weren’t coming to a program in disarray. PC has done a great job so far now he needs the wins and he’ll be able to bring in the top talent!!!!

Comment by Steve h 08.25.14 @ 1:29 pm

@wbb and ironduke

The Pitt administration is similar to Pirate management/ownership only in that they are content with profitable mediocrity.

But don’t think for a second Pitt doesn’t have the resources to compete at a higher level. Pitt is much closer to the Yankees and Red Sox in that regard… Lest we forget the (annual approximation) $20M from the ACC, in addition to the million$ generated in ticket sales, sponsorship, donations, sale of 3rd tier broadcasts, ect.

The Pitt fan base might also be similar to the Pirate fan base in that they’ve been brainwashed into believing that Pitt cannot compete at a higher level due to a lack of resources… The money is there… Maybe not Texas of Alabama money… But it’s there. This is not Middle Tennessee State or FIU or some MAC program.

Pitt is a HAVE.. not a HAVE NOT.

If they ever want to start acting like one… that’s a completely different question.

Comment by BostonsCommon 08.25.14 @ 2:06 pm

This thread takes me back to the Wanny days. I highly supported him until the 2010 campaign. We lost to Utah (1st game) on national TV because we played not to lose instead playing to win. We got totally embarrassed the 3rd game of the season on national TV at home 31-3 by Miami. Again we were playing not to lose and got killed. At that point I was writing the AD that Wanny had to go! Now, looking back at it I can see why Wanny was doing what he was doing – protecting his young incapable QB (you know who). I now believe Wanny shielding his QB’s deficiencies by taking all the heat for ‘you know who’ cost him his job. If he throws Tino under the bus he probably doesn’t lose his job in 2010. He had to play not to lose because he didn’t have the QB to win with. As far as the program today, PC has brought stability and trust back into the program and I hope this translates into “W”s this season. Nine would be Nice!

Comment by pittman4ever 08.25.14 @ 2:07 pm

pittman4ever – you pose an interesting issue regarding the 2010 QB situation. As much as I thought DW completely screwed the pooch with his non-existent QB competition I also thought that Sunseri should have been named the starter for opening day.

That’s from a big Pat Bostick fan too. However, my thought on Bostick was that if he was given a real shot with a commitment from the staff to his playing multiple games in a row he could have been a good QB for us. Not great but a good solid guy as leader of the offense. He certainly wouldn’t have made the dead brained mistakes Sunseri did in critical situations.

I’m hoping Voytik is capable of the cerebral side of the game and keeping cool under pressure. He did well in the bowl game – mainly because it was thrust on him so quickly – but if he hadn’t been getting QB2 snaps and executing in practices he wouldn’t have been ready to step in for the win.

Here’s hoping there is no QB controversy this season as we really need a guy who is both a positive producer and also a respected teammate under center. If we get that this season out of Voytik then I think we could have a very nice 2015.

Comment by Reed 08.25.14 @ 2:30 pm

BostonCommons, while Pitt is making more money from FB than ever and is on solid financial ground, and I also agree that more money can be budgeted for the for FB … it doesn’t even approach the money that the top echelon makes … not even close.

WE may well be considered as a HAVE now when looking at all 130 (or whatever) teams in D1, but we are a HAVE NOT when looking at the teams in the BIG 5. There are about 15 to 20 of the 65 who not only make exorbitant revenues, they will be the chief decision makers.

Is it possible we can have a year like Cincy did in 09 … yes, certainly. Is it probable .. not so sure.

Comment by wbb 08.25.14 @ 2:43 pm

Really surprised that Jennings is on the list for a possible redshirt. I guess our receiving corps is stronger than I thought, Jennings is not as good as advertised, or the groin pull is an issue.

Comment by gc 08.25.14 @ 2:49 pm

BC – good point. It’s not easy to find data on Pitt’s finances as they are not considered a public school. I’d think Pitt would be somewhere in the lower half for power 5 teams, given where the ACC is for TV revenue and their attendance.

The Pirates aren’t as bad off as you’d think.
20th in revenue in 2013. Safe to say, neither Pitt nor the Pirates are the Yankees of their sport when it comes to cash. But I still find myself wishing they’d do more.

Comment by Iron Duke 08.25.14 @ 2:50 pm

Pittman4ever, in 2009, Wanny was booed for playing Stull instead of Sunseri … a game Pitt won 38 to 3. Tino did play a few snaps.

In 2012, YSU outgained Pitt on the ground by 75 yards, and had 5 drives over 60 yards, a couple over 80 .. Pitt’s defense had no answer.

Whether Wanny was fired for 2010 off-the-field issues or on-the-field issues, it was extremely ill conceived.

Comment by wbb 08.25.14 @ 2:52 pm

Pitt won 38-3 vs YSU in 09

Comment by wbb 08.25.14 @ 2:55 pm

There are 2 points I am making with the last posts:

– the cynicism towards Wanny whe he was coach was astounding

– don’t underestimate the value of defense (I hope it isn’t an issue this year)

Comment by wbb 08.25.14 @ 3:01 pm

I’m not suggesting that Pitt spend at the highest echelon with the land grant state institutions… But similar to the Pirates, they should be spending to the same level as their peers. The Pirates get blown out of the water by Cleveland, Milwaukee, Cincinnati, ect.

I would wager that only Wake has a smaller budget in the ACC… No reason they shouldn’t be at least middle of the pack on the same level as a Miami.

Comment by BostonsCommon 08.25.14 @ 3:05 pm

BC, you certainly have a point if indeed Pitt has a smaller budget than anyone but WF … wonder how it affects recruiting … if so?

Comment by wbb 08.25.14 @ 3:12 pm

Reading that VT having attendance problems including students leaving the games early. Sound familiar.
And VT is in the boonies.

Comment by Frank MD 08.25.14 @ 3:58 pm

Time to get Fired Up!

link to pittsburghpanthers.com

Comment by gc 08.25.14 @ 4:00 pm

A note or two;

You can win in FBS without a parade of 4 and 5 star recruits. And you can win big.

Duke last year is an obvious example, Boise State is another, Northwestern is another, Texas Tech is another.

What all these teams have in common is, they had explosive high scoring offenses. And coaches who generally outschemed the opposing coach.

Which is what we were expecting from PC. And at times last year we did, but then did not adjust very quickly to other teams adjustments.

So I will be very interested to see how this plays out this year.

We need to start consistently putting up some large scores. And follow the blueprint of the others listed above. And indeed PC’s offense at Wisconsin.

Comment by Emel 08.25.14 @ 4:04 pm

I don’t know what Tyler Boyd’s rating was but it is a 5+ now.

I didn’t mean to make it all about ratings, just trying to point out that offensive recruiting is several steps ahead of the defensive side in quality and quantity. Although it seems pretty obvious that there is a correlation between blue chip players and winning football teams. There is always someone that will beat the odds, but in my experience it is rare and certainly not sustainable. Let’s see how Duke does this year.

I do agree with Chryst’s philosophy of only wanting guys that want to be here and seem to fit the culture. It is a team sport and the team has to be more important than the individual.

I also agree that when and if we win more games better players will follow. A perfect example of that was the upset of WVU’s best team ever.

Good players want to play for good teams.

Schemes are certainly important and good ones put players in the position to make plays. However, the player still has to be good enough to make the play. For the last several years we have not had enough players making those plays when the game was on the line. I think we are heading in the right direction, just not as fast as a lot of us would like.

And I’m from Pittsburgh, Defense, Defense, Defense!

Comment by gc 08.25.14 @ 4:30 pm

I’ve seen several lists of FBS athletic department budgets and Pitt is consistently in the middle of the pack as far back as I can find data. The following link was compiled in 2013 but appears to use data from 2011 – there is always a big lag. The NCAA compiles data on budgets even for private schools, but it is less clear how much, aka what %, of that budget each sport is allocated.

BIG CAVEATS here. 1. This is based on Big East revenue not our new ACC revenue – so add about $17M per year. 2. Pitt saves substantial operating costs by renting Heinz Field. We don not make as much on parking and concessions at Heinz as other programs do with their university owned stadium and parking, but it is critical that you remember – Pitt is saving millions of dollars in costs by playing at Heinz. When you have lower O&M expenses you can spend less money and be in the same place from a financial perspective.

So, keeping that in mind: #58 University of Pittsburgh – $56,338,449

link to gotroytrojans.com

Comment by PittHW 08.25.14 @ 4:45 pm

FWIW, that article is mislabeled — those are revenues, and not budgets

Comment by wbb 08.25.14 @ 5:47 pm

Only one of the top 61 is outside the power 5 conferences. Pitt coming in at 58, is not impressive against their piers. How many schools are in the power 5 and what does that ranking look like? That said, there are “reported” athletic revenue/budgets and actual. Would it surprise anyone to know that the actual revenues/budgets are much different? Most large schools set up affiliated entities to protect “sunshine law requests” by the public to figure out what the actual revenue really is in an athletic department. It’s the financial shell game. I have not looked at Pitt to determine “Affiliated Entity” organizations.

My point about Chryst and an extension is this. If the Administration believes he is the right guy and is doing the right things, than extend him. There will be jobs available with universities with bigger budgets as indicated above. Chryst may want to stay here, but he may also be getting tired of his relationship with the AD. Trust works two ways. By a show of hands, who trusts Pederson to do the right thing for someone other than Pederson?

Comment by dhuffdaddy 08.25.14 @ 6:25 pm

@ gc, sorry buddy I’d like to agree with you but Tyler’s current star rating is up for debate. Don’t get me wrong, I’m one of his biggest fans but what have you done for me lately?

This season reveals whether Boyd is as special as we think he is. The cat is now out if the bag, so he won’t be sneaking up on anyone this year with his stellar play. Now we see how Boyd responds to defensive schemes drawn up to stop him exclusively! My spin, Tyler Boyd competes for the Bilenitkoff Award and ends up asking the question, “what’s a sophomore slump”?

Comment by Dr. Tom 08.25.14 @ 6:35 pm

Dr. Tom, you’re not wrong, but if Boyd struggles it won’t be because of him, it’ll be Voytik.

Comment by PittHW 08.25.14 @ 6:43 pm

I would love to know where Pitt ranks in football revenue in the ACC, and then how that compares to football budget. Where do we THINK Pitt ranks? Surely we are ahead of Wake, Duke, BC. On par with Syracuse? That may be it.

Comment by Iron Duke 08.25.14 @ 6:50 pm

I’d say we’re ahead of SU too – they rarely get out of the high 30’s in ticket sales as I recall. I think we’re right in the middle. I would also add that I think we’re ahead of GTech and UVA. It is my understanding that UVA actually has lost money as a department that last couple years and got a special allotment from the state legislature to break even.

The Pete surely helps – though it can by no means make up for lost football sales.

Comment by PittHW 08.25.14 @ 7:28 pm

I think it’s inaccurate to say that Pitt lost Jackie Sherrill because they refused to give him a “competitive salary”. He wanted to go back south, and then A&M offered him a ridiculous deal ($1.7 million for six years) which was a record at the time and I think made him the highest paid coach in the country by a substantial amount. It’s kind of ludicrous to expect Pitt to have matched that.

Besides, Jackie may have won a lot of games, but NCAA sanctions followed him where ever he went after Pitt, so perhaps we were better off. Maybe the Pitt administration saw problems coming…

Comment by SteveS 08.25.14 @ 9:47 pm

pittman4ever, Your comment about Wanny playing not to lose rung a bell for me. I was at that Utah opener with some non Pitt friends because I believed that Wanny had finally come around with his coaching and had stopped playing not to lose as it seemed was his trademark in his first couple years. I thought he would make lightening strike for a second time in Utah.

wbb, totally agree about the value of defense … note how well the hoopies are doing with basketball score games

The first was after BYU embarrassed us in Oakland I was one of the roughly 50 Pitt fans in Provo when we crushed them with Ironhead in the second half after using him as a play fake decoy for the brilliantly conceived air raid first half.

You are correct Wanny played not to lose on the road that night.

Comment by 9-2,8-4,11-1,11-1,11-1 08.25.14 @ 10:33 pm

aww crap badly out of order

Comment by 9-2,8-4,11-1,11-1,11-1 08.25.14 @ 10:45 pm

I caught a bit of College Game Day on Saturday and the guys made their predictions. Kirk Herbstreit picked Pitt to win the Coastal. I was totally stunned.

Comment by Caw Miller 08.26.14 @ 7:43 am

When I saw this quote from the article, it certainly made me look at the rest with a very jaundiced eye:

“Big money donors don’t just want a victorious team; they also need to know that their money is indeed going to a good cause.”

This is demonstrably false and the main reason why the NCAA is drowning in rules. The boosters don’t care about anything but winning for the most part. I know you are trying to position the article, but that’s just BS.

As for Chryst, a good coach surrounds himself with the best staff he can. I think the jury is out on that…and it’s probably coming back with a bad decision. I’ve been a fan of Pitt and Pittsburgh sports too long to take the glass half full view.

Comment by Ian 08.26.14 @ 2:13 pm

I really find it strange that everyone is optimistic about the O-line. Yes there are a lot of stars associated with these recruits…but to date they have done nothing. I’m hopeful this talent improves greatly and I think it will. Yet I refuse to trumpet it…until it shows us something. Conversely, House’s defense really improved as the season went on and as noted lacks high end talent…so why is everyone questioning his coaching ability and not Huebers?

Comment by Pittisnumerouno 08.27.14 @ 3:05 pm

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