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June 28, 2014

Basketball Notes, 6/28

Filed under: Basketball,Draft,NBA,Recruiting — Chas @ 7:56 am

Mustapha Heron is still a Pitt verbal.

“I’m able to focus on my game, working on my game to fit into Pitt’s system,” Heron said at the NBPA Top 100 camp. “I don’t have to worry about who’s watching me, what type of letters are coming in, what type of calls are coming in. I can just play freely.”

With that said, the departure of assistant coach and ace recruiter Barry “Slice” Rohrssen to Kentucky has had the rumor mill whirling once again. In fact, all six predictions in the 247 Sports Crystal Ball have Heron going somewhere besides Pittsburgh.

In Virginia, Heron addressed the rumors.

“I don’t pay much attention to it,” he said. “Right now I’m just working on building a relationship with coach [Jamie] Dixon, and that’s going really well.”

Is it possible he could decommit at some point?

“That’s just something I would have to talk to my family about,” Heron said. “But as of now, no.”

That’s really all he can say. He could make absolute declarations of fealty and they would still be taken with the same meaning. The fact is he has not decommitted. He has not reopened the decision and he has not gone around on even unofficial visits to other schools.

He’s heading into his junior year of high school. He cannot sign a NLI until November 2015 at the earliest. I’m not saying he won’t change his mind. I’m just not going to spend the next year plus angsting over it.

On the other hand, Shaq Doorson apparently was very, very quietly let out of his NLI to Pitt back in January.

Doorson, a 6-foot-11-inch, 265-pound center from the Netherlands, was rated a four-star player by Rivals.com and was pegged as the No. 20 center of 2014 by ESPN. Doorson only played two years of organized basketball before making his commitment, but he displayed raw interior skill that could have panned out with the prototypical growth curve of a Pitt big man.

“Shaquille is a big body that we’re excited about,” Dixon said during a press conference conducted Dec. 5 after Doorson committed. “There’s not many guys that big. We couldn’t find one nearby or throughout the country. He’s a hard worker, great kid, good student.”

It is unclear if Doorson remained eligible academically but according to a tweet by Kevin Gorman of the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, Doorson was “released from his [scholarship] in January.” Additionally, Rothstein of CBS Sports mentioned via Twitter that Doorson visited Rutgers last week.

It is uncertain where Doorson will play in 2014-15 or if he will play at all.

Doorson’s academic issues were a rumor for many months. If they are the primary reason for his release from Pitt, then he may have a hard time getting qualified at Rutgers as well.

Doorson was definitely going to red shirt and was a long-term project. His loss puts even more pressure on the coaches to recruit big men for the 2015 and 2016 classes.

While tangentially touching on the subject of Rutgers basketball, J.J. Moore was not even a possibility for the draft. Even a year ago, I think you would have found few people that would believe that Lamar Patterson be the guy drafted instead of J.J. Moore.

Moore came to Pitt with a much higher ceiling. Physically, he looked the part of a basketball player. Chiseled frame, 6-6. Tremendous athletic ability.

Patterson, however, was always a much better ball handler. Moore was not someone who could be on the perimeter and help other teammates.

The primary problem, though, was with consistency. One game he looked amazing. Playing both ends with passion and ferocity. Message boards would explode with arguments that he should start. Then the next game he would passively jack up corner 3s and be disinterested defensively.

Family issues had him transfer to Rutgers for his final year. A depleted team. Plenty of minutes. A chance to start, and little change.

JJMooreRutHis scoring increased mainly because of the extra minutes and more shots taken. Yet his rebounds remained unchanged.

Toss him in with Khem Birch as players that have the physical gifts, but only wanted to do it their way. It’s one thing if you are such a talent, that you can walk on the court and do what you want regardless of the opponent — think someone like Michael Beasley in his one year at K-State.

For most others, though, the difference between a low “5-star” or “4-star” player and a high “3-star” player is not that vast. And when you start factoring in things like experience and a willingness to do the little things/fundamentals and the scales start tipping the other way.

Even the best coaches can only do so much with players who don’t think they need to do anything different from high school.





Just back from the Pro-Am league. James Robinson back in town. Him and Micah Mason with some pretty passes. Joe Uchebo playing 40 minutes without any ill effects. Jamie Dixon there all night, spending a half in each gym. Only head coach I saw. Heard Jamie busting volunteer coaches balls for his in bounds play at the end of the half.

Comment by alcofan 06.30.14 @ 8:23 pm

tonight in 1st game of Pro-Am, Joseph Uchebo had 27 points and 26 boards. In 2nd game, there is a dual between Nuke and Chris Jones.

This comes from a tweet I just read on PG site. There is obviously little defense played, but I assume there are live bodies on both sides.

Comment by wbb 06.30.14 @ 8:25 pm

alcofan,

Did Slim (CJ), Artis or Young continue their torrid shooting of 3 point shots? During the two games last week, Slim shot 9 of 17, Artis 5 of 8 and Young 6 of 12.

Comment by Howard 06.30.14 @ 8:30 pm

Come on steve1

Are you serious, we might be a ‘choke’ in football the last 30 years but so is Ped State AND they’re a bunch of child molester supporters and enablers.

Comment by Emel 06.30.14 @ 10:45 pm

Didn’t see or notice Artis, But Young was slamming off of feeds from Robinson.

Comment by alcofan 07.01.14 @ 7:25 am

Here are the results and data from last night’s Pro-Am. More big numbers for the white hats.

link to pittsburgh.scout.com

Comment by wbb 07.01.14 @ 8:01 am

No mention of Wright. Uchebo putting up big numbers. Do we dare hope?

Football recruiting seems to have slowed down. June is over. Hope we are in the hunt for some impact defenders.

Comment by gc 07.01.14 @ 8:55 am

gc, a couple of things. As Chas pointed out, any stats during the summer league has to be taken with a major grain of salt. Nonetheless, all the really big numbers do point out that the Pitt players certainly have skills .. and in the case of Uchebo, he obviously can’t bee too impaired. In the case of he and Randall, if they can just give some low post support during the ACC, it will be extremely helpful.

On recruiting … the 1st 2 weeks of July is a dead period where coaches cannot make contact with recruits. I assume this allows coaches to go on vacation with their families. Nonetheless, recruits can still verbally commit if they choose to do so, but it is likely to slow down.

Comment by wbb 07.01.14 @ 9:28 am

link to theacc.com

Offical welcome to Louisville, glad you’re back with us.

Disappointed as far as geography to lose Maryland, would have been an easy road trip.

The comparison between Louisville and Maryland’s football and basketball teams, well, it’s a non-starter.

The ACC just got a huge boost, officially.

Plus, those uniforms, the horror, the horror!!!

Comment by Dan 07.01.14 @ 10:27 am

Also, to those that have the ACC app for their
smartphone, definitely update it!!

Looks fantastic. Hard to really tell with out some games and scores going on, but looks like it went from a 2 star to a 5 star.

The old one was so-so, at best, covering only a couple sports.

It now has every sport, standings, schedule, including mens, womens and Olympic sports.

Now, I pretty much would only look at football and basketball, and that’s pretty much all they had, baseball too maybe.

But, there were times I wondered how Pitt was doing in other sports, just for kicks, would like to see who is on top of all the different sports.

Anyhow, fwiw, the new app looks to be excellent.

Comment by Dan 07.01.14 @ 10:38 am

Sad to see MD go. Many of their fans are mad. MD ticket sales are up indicative of new teams coming to play. I think Big 10 gave them some extra travel money this first year. However travel to Omaha in December not the best.

Comment by Frank MD 07.01.14 @ 10:41 am

@Frank, ya, I have to say, I was excited about Maryland when we first went in.

Sorry to see them go too, perhaps some sort of a rivalry could have developed.

**ps** The app I mentioned above is not a “new” app. Just update your old one.

For those that didn’t know, or didn’t think about it, just go to your apps place, and type in ACC, you can download.

Would have never recommended it before, but now looks worth having on your phone.

It’s free by the way.

Comment by Dan 07.01.14 @ 10:49 am

i don’t remember this much hype over summer league ever? Look there is virtually no D played. No one wants to get hurt, just a little cardio. The “coaches” really just manage subs. That all said there are some obvious takeaways. JN is the real deal. No joke. considering the backcourt/wing talent that is presently on campus along with the group that are presently committed (please forgive us for all our sins & deliver us Wilson & Heron) the bigs surely must follow. All I can think of is when I was a kid Jimmy B was always lambasted for wasting all the talent he brought to Syracuse. And then after decades he smashed through the ceiling and is now considered among the ranks of the blue bloods. Sorry, I know its not popular but my glass is half full. We have more guard skill then I ever remember – more coming. And that my friends is what ultimately gets it done in March. JN, MY & JA’s senior year with Wilson as a soph & Rowan & CamJ on the wings has got to be our best shot since Smith/Lane & Blair/Young h2p

Comment by ptbreezeb 07.01.14 @ 11:46 am

The description of last night’s Summer League games still has Artis hitting his threes and Newkirk also. Jeter is shooting lights-out. We could have a very good three point shooting team this year.

Comment by Howard 07.01.14 @ 4:23 pm

I have long ago given up predicting anything from the play of our players during the Summer League.

Futile.

Comment by steve1 07.01.14 @ 4:28 pm

Has anyone seen the Pitt Athletics Dept website on top 10 countdowns in Pitt’s football history. Last week was greatest touchdown’s (spoiler alert Marino to Brown). This weeks poll is on greatest individual seasons.

link to pittsburghpanthers.com

Good write ups & links to the momenta in time

Comment by PITT-cocks fan 07.01.14 @ 6:25 pm

I voted for Hugh Green. Dorsett is a no brainer to win, but what Hugh did over his career at Pitt was just ridiculous.

Comment by Nick 07.01.14 @ 6:34 pm

@Nick – I agree with you on Hugh Green but TD is the winner. I hope the Pitt A D puts out a high lite link on Hugh’s last year. It’s hard to describe the year & career that Hugh had when you are denigrating South Carolina Heisman winner George Roger.

BTW – Thanks to whoever it was who told me to do just a copy & paste. The things that change from Windows XP to 7 confused me.

Comment by PITT-cocks fan 07.01.14 @ 6:51 pm

Came across this on Youtube. Think everyone will enjoy.

link to youtube.com

Never since I have seen our Pitt cheerleaders get so much coverage from ABC/ESPN, that they get in the 2nd quarter.

And I must be bias but they were really good looking back then, very All-American looking girls.

Dated a few after this squad was pretty much gone. As they were always over our Frat House, what could I do ? 🙂

P.S. If you’re pretty perceptive you’ll notice DW along the sidelines. My how time flys.

Comment by Emel 07.01.14 @ 7:47 pm

Emel, thanks for the link.

Was watching the replay when all of a sudden a commercial for Chevy Vega.

Yes, I owned one way back then. My favorite memory was driving up RTE 17 to Army Reserve summer camp at Fort Drum. Lots of mountains there, and in order to climb ’em I had to turn off the AC!

Back to the game: Those were the days!

Comment by steve1 07.01.14 @ 8:47 pm

I remember the game well on a late Saturday afternoon. People forget that Pitt’s starting QB for the season was Robert Haygood, and not Matt Cavanaugh. It waasn’t until Haygood got hurt that Matt took over.

I remember later on in the season at Pitt Stadium when Roger Houston (I think) announced to the crowd that Michigan got beat .. and proclaimed ‘Who’s No. 1 now?’

Comment by wbb 07.02.14 @ 6:41 am

Dorsett only had 181 yards in that game, which was 122 less than what he had against the Irish the year before … and I believe it was the worst output he had vs ND in the 4 games he played against them.

Comment by wbb 07.02.14 @ 6:55 am

Thanks Emel, great hearing all those almost forgotten names. Randy Reutershan et al.

You are right, much air time for those superb looking Pitt Cheerleaders.

Could not find the 2 of 3 videos and the 3 of three was in black and white with different announcers.

How about Ara Parseghian rooting for Notre Dame the whole time.

Had season tickets that year, never thinking National Championship, just wanted to see TD in his senior year. Unbelievable!

Six inch wet grass could not stop the great Tony D. The only thing that would have made it better is if we beat Joe Montana that day, probably lucky for us he was hurt. He may not have thrown those lovely picks.

My rating 1 TD, 2 Hugh Green, 3 Dan Marino. But who else has a trio to match that?

The 303 yard game the year before was the greatest sporting event I ever attended and the most satisfying even better than any of the great Pittsburgh championships of which there have been many.

To crush ND after all the years of agony, sweet!

Comment by gc 07.02.14 @ 7:30 am

Everyone remembers the great TD, Matt Cavanaugh and the offense, Elliott Walker, Gordon Jones etc. But that defense was pretty darn special too!

Comment by gc 07.02.14 @ 7:41 am

In the final 2 games — that defense held PSU to 7 and Georgia to 3.

Offense sells tickets, defense wins game … thus, the the vote for No. 1 can only be … “tackle made by Hugh ………..”

Comment by wbb 07.02.14 @ 8:12 am

There’s definitely room for debate, but two things make the difference for me, a National Championship and a Heisman Trophy. Not necessarily a factor but, a Superbowl ring and Pro Football Hall of Fame.

It’s a tough call because I love Hugh Green, the greatest college defender ever. On the best College defensive line ever.

Comment by gc 07.02.14 @ 11:46 am

Kickoff team didn’t allow a return beyond the 27 all year and Swider lead the nation in punting. We excelled in every aspect.

Comment by spiritofsection22 07.02.14 @ 5:14 pm

The Pirates are the only team in baseball with a winning record and a negative run differential.

Comment by spiritofsection22 07.02.14 @ 5:17 pm

I had forgotten a lot of the names myself, since we all tend to remember more the three 11-1 teams with the great defenses.

But Arnie Weatherington, Cecil Johnson, Don Parish, Randy Holloway, Al Romano, Ed Wilamowski, Jeff Delaney, Jimbo Cramer, Bob Jury, Mike Balzer, LeRoy Felder (had the pick for almost the TD in the above ND game), Al Chesley and Gary Tyra were all outstanding players in their own right.

We went thru so many QB’s that year it was truly amazing we went undefeated, even a guy who wasn’t on the 3 Deep had to play QB, Tom Yewcic.

PITT won the game linked over #11 Notre Dame, 31-10 in one of our better ass kickings of ND.

Comment by Emel 07.02.14 @ 6:30 pm

I think Ricky Jackson was almost as amazing as Hugh Green. I remember once he got a hand on a punt then ran down field and fielded it. The two of them blocked Sam Clancy from being able to play defensive end at Pitt. He then proceeded to start in the NFL for ten years. They were the best defensive end tandem in college football history.

That Notre Dame team we spanked in 76 won the national championship the following year, so they obviously weren’t chopped liver.

Bobby Heygood quit the team and Cavanaugh broke his wrist or we would have won back to back in 77.

The closest call the 76 team had was against Syracuse at Pitt Stadium. Many felt we won with the help of a little home cooking on a goal line stand inside the 10 late in the game.

Comment by spiritofsection22 07.02.14 @ 7:00 pm

Hugh was better in college as he should have won the Heisman in 1980.

Ricky was better in the NFL or at least played in a better suited defense with the Saints. Although Hugh made All-Pro a couple years as well.

Did Haygood quit the team or just had used up all his eligibility ? Also he had a very bad knee injury, but I do remember him being on the hoops team. Can’t remember if it was after or before the ’76 season. Kid was a great athlete.

Comment by Emel 07.02.14 @ 7:13 pm

1977 season started with #3 ND at #7 PITT, Cavenaugh breaks wrist, backup QB couldn’t handle a snap cleanly. Defense played great but offense couldn’t score. 9-19

Finished that year 9-2-1 and ranked #8. Slaughtered Clemson in the Gator Bowl. 34-3

Comment by Emel 07.02.14 @ 7:19 pm

Hugh Green was an all Pro his first couple years but played in Tampa who was never on national TV. He got in a car wreck after a few seasons and was never the same after that. Jackson clearly had the better pro career but Green was a star from his very 1st game … the 19-9 loss to ND that Emel referenced above. Green didn’t start that game but that was the last game he didn’t start

Comment by wbb 07.02.14 @ 8:08 pm

@ steve1

You are welcome and I guess you had to laugh at that Vega commercial that was touting it’s engine. lol

The first car I drove extensively was a Chevelle Malibu that actually did have some zip with a 350 engine. And had swivel buckets, I think the first car that did. And rear stereo speakers, another biggie in the day ! haha

Comment by Emel 07.02.14 @ 8:54 pm

You have a very good memory wbb…I didn’t know either of those 2 things about Hugh.

Comment by Emel 07.02.14 @ 8:56 pm

If Hugh wasn’t in that car wreck, he would have been anothe Pitt Pro Hall of Famer. I saw a list a few years ago that named him the greatest college player of all time. No one ran around his end. I saw him many times grab a running back by the shoulder pads and throw them to the ground like a rag doll. Don’t remember anyone else do that like Hugh.

Was there ever a defensive line where all 5 guys made and stayed in the NFL. Ricky was not far behind Hugh, Hugh may have been a bit more dynamic, but Ricky was as solid as they come.

The middle had Boyarsky (Cookie Monster), Meisner and Neil. Those were the days my friend.

They shut down Hershel Walker!

With a HOF QB on the other side.

Glory Days!

Comment by gc 07.03.14 @ 7:09 am

I’m on the road, can’t research this with details now but my premise is that working backwards from NFL HOF and then adding great players not in Canton but were successful pros the Pitt Panthers have one of the best all-time team: Danny at QB, TD & MG as backs, OL of May, Grimm, etc. You guys get the picture. The media stole my idea of a team Mt Rushmore when I posted that I have a Steeler Mt Rushmore planned. Let them steal this too, they’re incapable of original thought anyway. Pitt’s all time college team could be one of top three, maybe the best!

Too bad Noll didn’t draft Ricky, Lewis, OL, etc. His 80’s wouldn’t have sucked.

Comment by Old School Panther 07.08.14 @ 6:42 am

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