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April 16, 2014

It’s not the same, I know.

Tyrone Haughton signed his letter of intent today, to become a member of the Pitt’s 2014 recruiting class. Haughton is a 6-9 C-F who came from the JUCO ranks.

Originally he was a 3-4 star recruit who signed to play with South Carolina. After Darrin Horn was fired and Frank Martin came in, things changed. Martin had a verbal from another big man at K-State. The player switched to South Carolina. Suddenly, the scholarship numbers weren’t right and it seems that South Carolina suddenly had a problem with Haughton’s grades.

Oh, but SC and Martin didn’t want Haughton to completely go away. Just go to prep school for a year and see how things look next year. Haughton said no thanks and went to junior college. Isn’t recruiting just a lovely thing?

Here’s some of his old scouting report from ESPN.com (Insider subs):

We should all be so fortunate to be this athletic and own the kind of wingspan he does. Haughton throws down what he can in the lane and with his length, extension is easy. Runs the floor and rejects shots. Best attribute is his ability to strong for rebounds and get high on the glass in traffic. Definitely a prospect with long term possibilities.

His biggest issues come on the offensive end, but raw potential is apparent. Tennessee, Memphis and Wichita State also pursued him this past year.

The other news is still unofficial, but Barry Rohrssen is going to Kentucky as an assistant. Again, this was a no-brainer for him.

Chris Dokish has an interesting breakdown on recruiting gets from Dixon and the other assistants in the past 10 plus years. Looking it over the first thing I think is, how is Bill Barton still on the bench? Best guess is that Dixon really doesn’t want to change more than one assistant in a year if he can avoid it. If so, that would bode well for Barton surviving another year. But he better get moving soon. Letting go of Pat Sandle last year should have put him on notice that he has to do something on the recruiting trail.

Again, there are plenty of good assistants available that could do a great job of recruiting. Not simply Tom Herrion. David Cox was at Pitt for a brief spell before going to Georgetown and then Rutgers. He has strong ties in the DC area and is considered an excellent recruiter. Rasheen Davis is another name of note that has been mentioned.

As a side note, Orlando Antigua added his brother, Oliver, as an assistant at USF and made Jerry McCullough Director of Basketball Operations. Quite the Pitt flavor to that staff. I guess two more reasons to pay attention to USF.

Colorado’s head coach still isn’t ready to watch tape of the the game against Pitt.

A look at coaching salaries in the ACC.  If you want about Dixon’s contract in terms of money or length, it looks rather reasonable based on production and accomplishments.





If Haughton can bring a solid defensive presence and double digit rebounds he will see 25 minutes plus next year. Zanna was one of the best postmen in the conference and Haughton will be hard pressed to match his success inside.

Comment by spiritofsection22 04.16.14 @ 6:51 pm

The way I see it, the Panthers are two years away. However this past season they did much better than I imagined they would.

Comment by Justinian 04.16.14 @ 8:20 pm

2 years away from what ? This year’s class is not very highly ranked and I got a feeling Damon Wilson might be gone if Slice leaves and takes a kid who was supposedly leaning to Pitt, Diallo with him.

Instead of Wilson recruiting Diallo to Pitt, Diallo gets Wilson a ride to UK thru Slice.

We did better than expected this year because as I mentioned pre-season, this wasn’t your father’s ACC. League was the weakest I can ever remember it being at the Top.

Our hope is that Duke, Cuse & UNC have to continually reload due to losing underclassmen to the NBA. As all 3 are doing this year.

Need to bring in some asst’s who have connections to better talent. Plain & simple.

Comment by Emel 04.16.14 @ 11:11 pm

Blue chip recruits aside … there will be 5 talented players with sophomore eligibility status ths year. I would think that a healthy Young would make a bigger impact down low, and a good shot blocker / rebounder will fit in very nicely on this team. If DJ can can return healthy, that would make him, Newk and Artis that can score …. and Jeter is a decent corner shooter. Thus, the cupboard isn’t bare.

Off topic– Ed Conway winners for most improved this spring:

TJ Clemmings OT (2nd year in a row)
Dave Durham DE
Todd Thomas (special teams?)

Comment by wbb 04.17.14 @ 6:18 am

@@@@@@

Why hasn’t the university announced Slice is leaving???

Comment by JR 04.17.14 @ 6:24 am

SOS- I’m no hoops expert, but I don’t think you can compare Zanna & Haughton. From the little we know, Zanna is clearly a better offensive player, especially in transition. Zanna’s weaknesses were his half court offense & his defense. Haughton ‘sounds like’ he’s already a better defensive presence the Zanna (time will tell), but is limited offensively.

Emel – I think we’re overestimating the superpowers of Slice. Wilson wanted to play with & learn from BK. That said, I think everyone and his brother agrees we need to find another quality recruiter.

Comment by 1618mt 04.17.14 @ 7:09 am

What was wrong with this site yesterday?

How long does it take for Slice to pull the trigger?

Spring ball is over. All on the same page, yada, yada, yada. Really executing their media strategy well. Say there is no need for freshmen on the two deep. Really? Time to hit the weight room, conditioning etc. Chryst said they didn’t put in anything new, just worked on bringing everyone on the same page. No one really jumped up in stature. That is really too bad.

Most improved guys are all seniors. Hope it is true about about Durham, really need improvement there. Sad to see that none of the young guys stood out. No real battles for position except for the D-backs from Clairton.

On the one hand it is comforting to think we are set position-wise for next year. On the other hand, guys get better when they are afraid to lose their positions. Also shows strong depth. Galambos seems to be annointed, thought Grigsby looked pretty good in the bowl game, much faster to the point of attack. Sounds like they want to use him as a pass rusher.

Thomas does look bigger and badder, time for him to live up to all that potential.

Miss Reed and Justin, would really like to see the two deep at this point in time. Who are the backups and how are they doing?

Comment by gc 04.17.14 @ 8:15 am

Jamie will always keep us competitive, but to go to the next level we need a few NBA capable players. If Slice leaves, he needs to find someone that can convince a few to come to Pitt. Maybe even a one and done once in a while, although I am not a fan, unless you have the program that can sustain their coming and going. Those programs can reload every year and handle the egos.

Comment by gc 04.17.14 @ 8:27 am

There may be a reason UK is holding off its announcement but it’s not up to Pitt to announce he’s leaving. After UK’s announcement, Pitt will be probably do a release wishing Slice luck. But, I’m sure JD has already made contact with several replacement prospects.

Zanna is a much better all aorund player than Huaghton but Haughton is apparently a much better post defender … something we could have used vs Florida and a few other games.

Comment by wbb 04.17.14 @ 8:37 am

Interesting comment by HCPC – for spring ball, it was either the 1st or 2nd spring football 2/3 of the team. He wore his gray sweatshirt the majority of the Spring.

Comment by markp 04.17.14 @ 8:50 am

@1618mt, I think it is obvious that no one knows how Haughton will stack up, but because he is the likely center replacing Zanna comparisons will abound. I think his playing time will hinge on his defensive play and rebounding. I would personally be very surprised if Haughton shows up in Oakland better than the Zman in any area of play. In fact although many will lament the loss of Patterson I think replacing the Big Kahuna from Kaduna will be the tougher chore. He was a consistent double double most of the year and was a monster in the tournaments. He might have played his way into a shot at the NBA.

Comment by spiritofsection22 04.17.14 @ 9:36 am

I would guess the hesitation on a Slice announcement would be waiting for KU to make it official. Until the fat cat purrs we will all be left to wonder. The shame is KU wouldn’t be taking him if he wasn’t great. They are so dominant that they can do so at their own pace though. I guess there is always some hope they find somebody even better.

Comment by spiritofsection22 04.17.14 @ 9:44 am

@markp, Sorry but the sweatshirt that HCPC has been sporting recently is not the infamous Navy game sweatshirt. That one was about 2 sizes too large and had the word Pittsburgh generically printed across the front. The new one is actually sporty by comparison.

Comment by spiritofsection22 04.17.14 @ 9:48 am

@spirit, you just gave me an epiphany on the whole sweatshirt ordeal.

Never realized it had the generically printed Pittsburgh on it, and several sizes too big.

Like something you pick up at K-Mart in the $6.99 pile?? Cut it up for rags after you wear it a couple times? LOL

I couldn’t figure out the hub bub with some of the commenters, I kept thinking “I see lot’s of coaches wearing nice sweatshirts, I have a bunch myself, they look fine”.

Guess I didn’t notice it during the game, will have to look for a pic.

Comment by Dan 04.17.14 @ 10:00 am

Randall will compete with Haughton for the minutes at the 5 slot. I suspect Uchebo will get lost in the shuffle for scholarships.

Comment by spiritofsection22 04.17.14 @ 10:01 am

They only way Haughton is better than Zanna is shot blocking. He will not even be close in any other respect.

Zanna was an excellent rebounder and had offensive skills that Haughton only dreams about.

Whether he is a better defender remains to be seen.

Comment by gc 04.17.14 @ 10:03 am

GC- Disagree a little on Zanna. As I said earlier, we all agree/presume that Zanna is way ahead of Haughton offensively, that’s not in question, though Zanna’s offense was largely transition O, he was not a back-to-the-basket half court player, maybe because he was out of position. Also, Zanna was not an excellent rebounder, but he was pretty good. All I was saying was that, from what we’ve read about Haughton, it sounds like we are not losing any ground on the defensive/rebounding end of things, but like I said, time will tell. From the little video I saw of Haughton, he seemed to struggle getting open without the ball, reminding me of Adams in that regard. Would help if we could improve our 3 pt shooting next year, we will be in need of offense.

Comment by 1618mt 04.17.14 @ 10:26 am

The Zanna – Haughton comparisons at this point are stupid on many levels. First, NONE OF US HAVE SEEN HAUGHTON PLAY!

Second, and more important, Zanna won’t be on the team next year. They will not be competing for playing time. If we want to speculate about Haughton and Randall or Uchebo, ok. Clearly, Jamie believes Pitt needed another option at center or they wouldn’t have brought in Haughton for only two years.

Third, Next year’s team will be completely different than the one Zanna played on. Haughton will be asked to play a different role, hopefully one suited to his ability. Even Zanna played vastly different roles from his junior to senior years.

Next year’s team should be good defensively, the young guys (pun intended) should be better with a full season in Dixon’s defense. DJ is a willing defender, has good length and effort. And hopefully, Haughton will add some shot blocking.

Offensively, Young, DJ and Newkirk should be the primary scorers/play makers, with Artis, Wright, Robinson and Jeter being all capable, secondary options.

But even with all the changes, I expect similar results from Pitt. A lot of non-con wins, a 6th place (+/- 2) ACC finish and one win in the Tourney. That seems to be Pitt’s baseline under Dixon and it doesn’t vary much. Which, honestly, isn’t too shabby.

I will be renewing my season tickets.

Comment by Boubacar Aw 04.17.14 @ 10:39 am

BA-comparisons aren’t stupid, that’s what these boards are (in part) for. Depending on what type of player Haughton will be will impact how the rest of the pieces fit together. that’s the point. But you I suspect you are right about one thing, in the end, probably similar results next year. things may be interesting in 2 years.

Comment by 1618mt 04.17.14 @ 11:04 am

The Ed Conway Award. How many Batherites know who Ed Conway was? Me 1

Comment by alcofan 04.17.14 @ 11:10 am

BA, it might be stupid but not much else to talk about. It is relevant to wonder about Haughton since center will be our biggest weakness next year and he has been brought here to help.

1618, Zanna averaged 8.9 rebounds in the ACC games, even with a bad sprain. Patterson was next with 4.9. Haughton or somebody better be a good rebounder or we are in huge trouble.

Everyone is aware of the offense we lose with Zanna and Patterson, but rebounding will be hard to replace as well.

Comment by gc 04.17.14 @ 11:15 am

@1618mt, If Zanna wasn’t an excellent rebounder who is? He was the best offensive rebounder in the conference and among the nations leaders in that department. You understate his prowess in that regard. Did you notice him grabbing 19 against UNC ,the best rebounding team in the ACC. Keep in mind he played a third of the season on a gimpy ankle too. He was the best rebounder at Pitt since DeJaun Blair.

Comment by spiritofsection22 04.17.14 @ 11:16 am

Me two

Comment by Classof69 04.17.14 @ 11:16 am

Young and Artis combined for 6.5 per ACC game, not nearly enough.

Comment by gc 04.17.14 @ 11:18 am

Alcofan, Ed Conway was the Pitt play by play guy prior to the legendary Bill Hillgrove. He died to young.

Comment by gc 04.17.14 @ 11:25 am

How many remember the great Roger Houston announcing at Pitt Football games? Ed Will a mouse keeee or HUGH Green.

Comment by gc 04.17.14 @ 11:28 am

FB Recruiting next big priority after spring practice. Maybe Uchebo develops. Hope DE FB game early so I can get to Pirates at 7pm to beat Brewers.

Comment by Frank MD 04.17.14 @ 11:32 am

The player I compare Haughton to is not Zanna, it’s Ontario Lett. Lett was only 6’6 but he played at least 6’9 because he had very long arms. Haughton is 6’9, with the same long arms. So he’s the equivalent of a 7 footer.

Comment by Howard 04.17.14 @ 11:42 am

maybe he’s more of a Mark Blount since he is apparently a really good shot blocker

Comment by wbb 04.17.14 @ 12:03 pm

Can’t add much on Haughton since he never played at SoCar. But my impression is that Horn recruited more long lengthy big men while Martin goes for more bulkier guys. Either way SoCar basketball was and still is a dumpster fire.

Maybe its just me, but in watching more ACC & SEC basketball, block shots seem to be a more integral part of these conferences defense than in the Big East.

Comment by PITT-cocks fan 04.17.14 @ 12:04 pm

Until Haughton beats out Randall I wouldn’t be too quick to compare him to anyone. I remember 2 years ago when Tre Zeigler was supposed to add instant offense and bring us instant transfer success. Better we wait until Haughton grabs a rebound or two before we label him the next Sam Clancy.

Comment by spiritofsection22 04.17.14 @ 12:05 pm

@Pitt-cocks fan, Some programs in the old Big East featured shot blocking more than others. Georgetown, UConn, and Syracuse emphasized it. Pitt, Villanova, and Louisville not too much. It’s a style thing.

Shot blocking isn’t as important in Pitt’s scheme as it is in UConn’s.

Some of todays players are too afraid of getting a shot blocked. Both Wright and Robinson could be more forceful in drawing contact on contested shots inside IMO.

Comment by spiritofsection22 04.17.14 @ 12:17 pm

Calhoun’s defense often included guards overplaying on defense going for steals, because he always seem to have a shot blocker down low .. and JTII of course had some of the best defensove centers of all time (Ewing, Mourning, Motembo, etc)

Comment by wbb 04.17.14 @ 1:09 pm

HUUUUUUUUUUUUUGH……………green.

Memories.

Who was the guy after that, that told the crowd there was a car in the lot with it’s lights on or something,

and the plate was EIEIO !!!!!!!!!!

I think he may have got fired for that?

The beginning of political correctness.

Comment by Dan 04.17.14 @ 1:25 pm

Big part of story I missed.

Pitt-WVU game, and it was a

West Virginia license plate, EIEIO !!!

That should help the story.

Comment by Dan 04.17.14 @ 1:27 pm

Also remember them handing out, for sevral years,

pieces of red and green cloth. Red for defense, green for go!!!

Still have some those laying around.

Comment by Dan 04.17.14 @ 1:28 pm

Emel — I certainly agree. I would love for him to stay. It seems like a selfish decision without knowing all the details. I just don’t see a real upside to jumping ship and going to Kentucky. The money’s the same — allegedly — and most of his kids will be on the team for just a year
Comment by Denny 04.16.14@ 2:01 pm

You’re right Denny, I don’t see the upside if the money is about the same. Although I hear Slice and Calipari are pretty good friends. Tried to respond yesterday, but the site was having problems.

Comment by Emel 04.17.14 @ 1:54 pm

When I was a kid Ed Conway was the Sports Director for WTAE TV Sports Channel 4.

Think he did Pitt football games on the radio before Bill Hillgrove as well.

Comment by Emel 04.17.14 @ 2:09 pm

Emel, I love your loyalty but to not see an upside to coaching at Kentucky as opposed to Pitt strikes me as a little ambitious. They are for all intents and purposes the top basketball program in the country. We are a quality program trying make a niche in the top 20. Slice has proven himself to be a fine recruiter at this level. Who knows what doors can be opened with a program like Kentucky. He will have a chance to be the top recruiter anywhere. We just don’t offer the same opportunity or have the draw they do.

Comment by spiritofsection22 04.17.14 @ 2:14 pm

@ Dan-o

Did the game announcer say it was a car or a tractor ?

Comment by Emel 04.17.14 @ 2:15 pm

@Emel, good call, it was a tractor!!!!! LMAO!!!

Comment by Dan 04.17.14 @ 2:19 pm

Anyone see the Zanna video on him prepping for NBA team workouts ?

He like hit 5-6 3′s in a row, couldn’t miss from the elbow (10 in a row), was dribbling the ball thru his legs, etc.

Was trying to find it again to link here, but couldn’t.

Seemed to me he just needed some space to show off his range. We saw some of that last year, when he was at the 4, but little this year.

Comment by Emel 04.17.14 @ 2:21 pm

Does being d most improved player, mean we have to endure another season of david durham. Hate to say it, but he was about totally useless last year, even when we had Donald on the D-line being double teamed.

And what in the heck was Todd Thomas being played on special teams for….in the spring. If you’re worried about kids being injured, he would be at the top of the list. Strange.

Comment by Emel 04.17.14 @ 2:30 pm

Cornhole just will not let the Dinocat Groundhog die. Looks like it’s making a rebirth. Oy Vey !

link to triblive.com

Comment by Emel 04.17.14 @ 2:41 pm

Nice article.

link to espn.go.com

Comment by Frank MD 04.17.14 @ 3:12 pm

Emel, Zanna was wearing magic gloves during that workout.

That trainer sells those gloves.

’nuff said

Comment by steve1 04.17.14 @ 3:18 pm

Comment by steve1 04.17.14 @ 3:20 pm

@ steve1

Yea what’s the deal with those gloves. Can you play with them on during a game ?

Get several pair for JR & Cam !

Comment by Emel 04.17.14 @ 4:16 pm

Ed Conway was Sports Director at WTAE and a very nice man. He announced Pitt Football for only a few years but was know as the voice of Pitt Football. He also hosted the Johnny Majors show. A Baltimore native, he got his start in York Pa radio. Bill Hillgrove was his apprentice and when Ed died suddenly during surgery at Presby Hospital in 1975 at age 48, Bill took over full time.

I will always remember walking over what is now the Clemente Bridge , post Pitt’s win (first) over JoPa and Penn St and listening to Hillgrove’s post game commentary saying how sorry he was that Ed Conway was not here to celebrate this!

I was half drunk and half in tears of unbridled joy, but I will never forget that moment. Game was at 3 rivers

Comment by Dan 72 04.17.14 @ 4:39 pm

@Emel – Wilson is a BK recruit and I ‘d be shocked if he leaves. As for Diallo I’m not so sure we are going to get him so why get our hopes up (this kid is heavily recruited). You pointed out the other day that their are plenty of good recruits in PA. Papagiannis should be our top priority. A 7’1 C from West Chester and a ESPN top 60 recruit like Wilson should be a priority. Lets get this kid!

Comment by Pitt fan from Canada 04.17.14 @ 5:05 pm

Papagiannis vid- This kid needs to bulk up but I’d like to see him as a panther. Any thoughts?

link to youtube.com

Comment by Pitt fan from Canada 04.17.14 @ 5:15 pm

Agree Pitt Canada…..I was led to believe Pitt was the frontrunner for Diallo, so it would be a little bit of letdown if he didn’t come.

I had hopes we were going to get a few of Wilson’s teammates. There’s another good one in the class after Wilson/Diallo at that school. Kassoum Yakwe, 6’8″ .

Comment by Emel 04.17.14 @ 5:30 pm

Everyone we’re recruiting for 2015 class:

Pos Nat’l
Rank Nat’l
Rating Name
School, Hometown Video HT/ WT/ PPG Interest
Level Offer? Schools of Interest

SF 2 Derrick Jones
(Archbishop Carroll HS)
Radnor, PA 6-6/180 Med No Kansas, Kentucky, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Temple, Villanova

C 3 Cheick Diallo
(Our Savior New American School)
Centereach, NY 6-9/210 Med Yes Arizona, Connecticut, Florida, Indiana, Iowa State, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisville, Miami (Fl), Ohio State, Oregon, Pittsburgh, Providence, St. John’s (NY), Syracuse, Texas, UNLV, Villanova

SG 7 Isaiah Briscoe
(Roselle Catholic HS)
Roselle, NJ 6-1/185 Med Yes Arizona, Arizona State, Baylor, Cincinnati, Connecticut, Georgetown, Gonzaga, Louisville, Miami (Fl), Pittsburgh, Rutgers, Seton Hall, St. John’s (NY), Syracuse, UCLA, Virginia

C 13 Georgios Papagiannis
(Westtown School)
Westtown, PA 7-1/240 Med Yes Maryland, Penn State, Pittsburgh, Rutgers, Temple

SG 23 Damon Wilson
(Our Savior New American School)
Centereach, NY 6-4/175 Verbal Yes Committed to Pittsburgh

SF 25 Sean Lloyd
(Franklin Area HS)
Franklin, PA 6-4/185 Med No Penn State, Pittsburgh, Providence, Rutgers, Villanova

SG NR Haanif Cheatham
(Pembroke Pines Charter HS)
Pembroke Pines, FL 6-5/175 Med Yes Alabama, Connecticut, Florida International, Georgia, Louisville, Miami (Fl), Murray State, Pittsburgh, South Florida, Syracuse, UCF, UCLA, Vanderbilt, Villanova

Comment by Emel 04.17.14 @ 5:40 pm

@ Pitt Canada

Clearly Papagiannis’s best offer is from us.

Not even close. Get his name on the dotted line !

Comment by Emel 04.17.14 @ 5:42 pm

Nice story, Dan 72

Comment by steve1 04.17.14 @ 6:29 pm

Meanwhile, my Rangers are down 1 zip midway into the 1st period. Flyers are taking it to ‘em.

Comment by steve1 04.17.14 @ 6:31 pm

We’re back in it, tied now. More aggressive

Comment by steve1 04.17.14 @ 6:32 pm

After watching the Zanna video, can anyone tell me why he didn’t shoot more at Pitt?

Maybe Jamie ought to hire that coach.

Comment by gc 04.17.14 @ 6:36 pm

gc, I’m 67. Wearing those magic gloves and after a gazillion outtakes even I would’ve looked like a lottery pick.

Well maybe not….

Comment by steve1 04.17.14 @ 6:41 pm

Good question gc.

In the non-con last year, Z showed a real nice 15-17 foot jumper.

He could have caused a lot of matchup problems for defending centers with range like that. Taken them off the dribble as well.

This is what I don’t understand with JD, he never seems to what to explore or deploy these matchup opportunities. Z had to play this year with his back to the basket. No altering from that at all.

Which imo took a lot of Z’s strengths and negated them.

We were looking for someone to shoot from the outside all year besides Lamar. Well he was right there on the team, forced to play like a slow lumbering center with his back to the basket waiting for someone (usually Lamar) to get him the ball.

Comment by Emel 04.17.14 @ 7:05 pm

Anyone else think that Papagiannis reminds them of Adams 2.0…we still need to make this happen. Maryland kind of scares me though now they’re in the Big 10…they will see some money very soon.

Comment by Pitt fan from Canada 04.17.14 @ 7:18 pm

@gc, At Pitt most of the teams Zanna would have to shoot against chose to put a defender on him. It is easy to shoot without a defender and Zanna was not a threat from outside. He does however have a decent shooting touch and form. Zanna is still a work in progress. When he came to Pitt he couldn’t shoot at all and even heaved bricks from the foul stripe. Down the stretch the Zman had developed into a good free throw shooter. He may still become an offensive threat beyond his obvious running and put back abilities.

Comment by spiritofsection22 04.17.14 @ 7:32 pm

I think if Adams would have stayed we might have seen Zanna take more shots with someone to rebound.

Anyway, a very nice looking stroke.

Comment by gc 04.17.14 @ 7:57 pm

Looks like Ashton Gibbs, of all people, has interest in the coaching vacancy left Barry Rohrssen. I can’t imagine that would go over well with a lot of people.

Comment by Mailman 04.17.14 @ 8:55 pm

If three-point shooting can be taught, Ashton Gibbs could be a good choice. We’ll have a lot of potentially good three point shooters on the team next year including Jeter, Artis, Jones Johnson and Newkirk.

Comment by Howard 04.18.14 @ 6:24 am

who compared Haughton to Ontario Lett?

Lett had beautiful hands….and was a terrific passer for a big man.

Haughton?? Im quite sure the poster who made this statement has never seen him play.

But Lett was a far better player than just a wide body in the paint

Comment by Tallahassee Panther 04.18.14 @ 7:56 am

You heard it here frst:

Antigua is going to make some serious noise at South Florida

He will bring big time basketball to USF much like Howland did at Pitt

Mark it down in ink…….

Comment by Tallahassee Panther 04.18.14 @ 7:57 am

Gibbs for Rohrrsen??? Surely they jest!

Comment by Dan 04.18.14 @ 8:23 am

@Tallahassee Panther, never saw Lett or Ttroutman miss many bunnies, and certainly not as many as we do the past couple years.

Lett made a living under the hoop!

Comment by Dan 04.18.14 @ 8:24 am

@TP, I agree Antigua will likely do big things at USF. He seems a perfect candidate. What a resume, bullet to the head, college standout, integrated Harlem Globetrotters, Kentucky asst. NYC kid makes good.

Comment by spiritofsection22 04.18.14 @ 8:24 am

And, you’re right about his hands.

He always finished, finished smoothly, there was no question when he went up for a lay up or a put back that it was going in.

Seems like a simple thing, but I’ve seen way too many 1, 2, 3 foot clangs the past few years.

Comment by Dan 04.18.14 @ 8:28 am

A lot of Zmans missed bunnies were ankle injury related. He sure wasn’t missing much down the stretch. He was the best player on the floor in the ACC tornament and a lot of those kids will be in the NBA next year.

Comment by spiritofsection22 04.18.14 @ 8:29 am

Pitt IMO has at least 3 good potential candidates for replacing Slice, and probably many more who I am not aware of … and none of them is Ashton Gibbs.

Gibbs will likely have to start at the bottom, like most, as Director of Basketball Operations or something.

Comment by wbb 04.18.14 @ 8:30 am

Ashton Gibbs and Nasir Robinson, the only two Pitt players to miss the NCAA’s as seniors. Worst team chemistry ever, probably helped cause Birch to leave. Good role players, poor team leaders.

Spirit I know you love Zanna, I do to but, in his career, the man missed more lay-ups and dunks than any other Pitt player, probably ever.

Comment by gc 04.18.14 @ 10:42 am

Chevy Troutman was the best finisher of any Pitt player I’ve seen in 25 years of going to games. He had a incredible knack for avoiding the shot block and then making the layup. A lot of it is just hand-eye coordination and quickness. He has made a nice living playing basketball internationally. He came back and played a few games in Greentree last summer. Dude can play.

The international route is probably the way Zanna is going to have to go. He’s not quite big enough to play in the post and not quite skilled enough to play on the perimeter. But ultimately, the nba drafts on potential and Zanna is too close to being a finished product.

Comment by Boubacar Aw 04.18.14 @ 10:58 am

Is there some kind of advanced analytic that tells us about missed lay ups, missed dunks and blocked shots? If so I would bet Dante Taylor would be slightly ahead of Zanna on the career all time list.

Comment by Boubacar Aw 04.18.14 @ 11:04 am

@ alcofan, Ed Conway was a long way back in the Pitt announcer history archives. I wonder how many Steeler Nation newbies know who Myron Cope is?

Comment by Dr. Tom 04.18.14 @ 11:15 am

@GC, Sorry but Z was dwarfed in missed lay ups by both Grey and McGhee. He had his futile moments in the paint but Grey led the conference in offensive rebounding on his missed lay ups alone.

Z didn’t dunk that much and I don’t recall him missing that many dunks or getting blocked that much. I do remember wishing he would have just dunked some of the missed lay ups though.

Comment by spiritofsection22 04.18.14 @ 11:52 am

Dr Tom, I would guess most newbies know Cope for the Steeler broadcasts but I bet not many know of his radio show which was sensational. There is nothing like it aired anywhere in any media today. I loved that show and maybe because I was able to enjoy it, I am able to recognize how pathetic talk radio is today. I am sure some of those posting here share my opinion.

Comment by spiritofsection22 04.18.14 @ 11:59 am

Too bad they don’t keep those stats. Taylor, McGhee, Grey and Zanna would all be contenders. One thing for sure they all improved over their careers.

Zanna would lead in how many times he hit the floor.

Comment by gc 04.18.14 @ 12:39 pm

Player senior junior soph fresh

Zanna 0.586 0.498 0.571 0.563
Taylor 0.561 0.577 0.616 0.584
McGhee 0.567 0.623 0.517 0.522
Blair 0.593 0.537
Gray 0.565 0.526 0.576
Troutman 0.566 0.643 0.718
Lett 0.608

The headings slid to the right but you get the picture. Troutman slid to the right.

Anyway, comparison of shooting percentage. Not sure how to interpret, but interesting.

Junior and Senior years most relevant.

Probably not statistically significant but fun.

Comment by gc 04.18.14 @ 1:06 pm

Zman and Taylor actually played substantial minutes during 4 seasons, while Grey and Mcghee jammed there missed shot totals into mostly 2 seasons of misery under the hoop. My guess is they have a combined total of rushed/missed how could you miss that ineptitude, that ranks highly by anyones futility barometer.

I think we should create a new statistic and record Missed layups-put backs-dunks. I suggest we call such efforts lumps.

Using the new definition I would have to say that Zanna, Mcghee and Grey were the best lump layers in recent Pitt history.

Comment by spiritofsection22 04.18.14 @ 1:09 pm

Gc, The relevant statistic for comparison would be ll/pg avg. Lumps layed per game average. lol

Comment by spiritofsection22 04.18.14 @ 1:13 pm

Haughton has some big shoes to fill as he will need to go some to match lump totals with some of our recent big men.

Comment by spiritofsection22 04.18.14 @ 1:15 pm

In most all our losses we shot in the 30-38% range, with the lows being 31 % against both Cincy and UVA (regular season game). Wasn’t much better against UVA in the tourny at 37%. Amazing that game was a close at it was since UVA shot 47% in that game.

The number of missed bunnies this season was incredible, as we used this term more frequently this year than ever before. We used it so much we had to explain to a few what it meant ! haha

Most of the reason was because, for most of the season we were not strong with the ball underneath. While Z was great late in the season, he struggled a lot during the season with finishing , yet still shot 58% from the field, with all the great passes he received for cripples.

His only way of playing in the NBA is to be able to also play on the perimeter and I do think he has the talent to play out there. He was just not able to show that talent this past season in JD’s system.

Young & Artis were also weak with the ball underneath and also missed their share of bunnies.

We really haven’t had that strong with ball type of players at the 4 & 5 since 2009. And we even had a super strong player at the 3 back then.

Herrion is supposed to be a good coach with big men, I really hope they bring him back. McGhee made huge strides when Herrion was here with limited talent.

Comment by Emel 04.18.14 @ 1:41 pm

I think all of the above missed and/or had shots blocked frequently because none of them were quick jumpers but had to flex their knees before going up. Also, most of them never learned to keep the ball up high after a rebound but instead broguht the ball down to waist level before jumpin again to shoot.

Troutman was a master of using his body and strength (I thought even more than Blair) of not getting his shot blocked and finishing.

Comment by wbb 04.18.14 @ 1:46 pm

sos22, I’m not so sure I agree that Haughton will have to match the lump sum totals.

I expect both Young and Artis will get some weight training and be stronger … and Young will (hopefully) not be playing with a broken back.

Further, Newkirk will be in his 2nd year and a healthy DJ will provide more scoring support .. and I haven’t even mentioned Jeter yet.

I expect next year’s team will be much less depended on just a couple of players, but instead we will see much more balance.

Comment by wbb 04.18.14 @ 1:52 pm

l.u.m.p.- Lay ups missed percentage , I always knew if I lived long enough I could add something to the game.

We have had our fare share of big time lump layers at Pitt. I noticed the Florida St. 7′ kids showed potential in that area as well.

Comment by spiritofsection22 04.18.14 @ 1:54 pm

WBB, l.u.m.p. “sum totals” LMAO

Comment by spiritofsection22 04.18.14 @ 1:58 pm

Parker and Hood both declared for the NBA. Sounds like Coach K will have some work to do next year.

Comment by spiritofsection22 04.18.14 @ 2:14 pm

Duke has, by all accounts, the number one 2014 recruiting class in the country. Coach K has 2 of the top 5 prospects, and 4 McDonalds all-Americans coming in. Looks like he’s going the Calipari route. Hope Pitt plays Duke early next year.

Comment by Boubacar Aw 04.18.14 @ 3:34 pm

@Boubacar, Sounds like Coach K was lucky to get rid of the NBA players to make room for next years inbound recruits. Slice is going to have his work cut out for him at KU with that type of competition.

Comment by spiritofsection22 04.18.14 @ 4:43 pm

Oh for crying out loud I can’t take it anymore… it is UK not KU. KU is Kansas University. Slice is going to the University of Kentucky.

Comment by kanyon40 04.18.14 @ 4:50 pm

sorry Kanyon

Comment by spiritofsection22 04.18.14 @ 4:51 pm

:) Not trying to be a jerk. Just keep reading it and it was driving me crazy lol.

Comment by kanyon40 04.18.14 @ 4:52 pm

Duke is having to transition into one & dones in order to keep up with the Jones’s.

Coach Alphabets is also sort of learning on the job with this manner of building a team. Witness Duke’s first (second) round loss playing basically at home in Raleigh, to a middling Mercer team. Who was promptly blown out in the next round by 11 seed Tennesshee (Mr. Toup Dentures). And in 2012 Duke lost to Lehigh again in the 1rst round at Greensboro.

Comment by Emel 04.18.14 @ 5:13 pm

You have a choice in this stupid college basketball, either one and dones or four/five year seniors.

Comment by Frank MD 04.18.14 @ 6:47 pm

I’m the one who compared Haughton to Lett. He shares two characteristics with Lett: (1) He’s a Junior College transfer and (2) He’s got long arms.

He has three inches on Lett, making him the equivalent of a 7 footer, but as Tallahassee Panther pointed out, Lett had great hands and was a great passer. I very much doubt that Haughton shares those characteristics.

I actually think that Young is going to be our starting center next year. He’s the only possible center who has good hands. In my opinion, the starting lineup next year will be:

1. Robinson
2. Newkirk
3. Wright
4. Jeter
5. Young

Comment by Howard 04.18.14 @ 7:39 pm

Nowadays, if you are going to recruit 4 and 5 stars, you are going to lose after a year or so .. unless you’re UNC where the students are not required to read

Howard, I can see Haughton starting at the 5 and Young staying at the 4. Remember, Haughton apparently passes the JD test — he can rebound and he can defend

Comment by wbb 04.19.14 @ 6:14 am

clarification — Nowadays, if you are going to recruit 4 and 5 stars, you are going to lose ‘them’ after a year or so

Comment by wbb 04.19.14 @ 6:17 am

If Haughton defends and rebounds he starts.
Can he shoot free throws?

Comment by spiritofsection22 04.19.14 @ 8:22 am

SOS22:

I does not appear that he can.
FT% in the 20s

Comment by xfmrman 04.19.14 @ 9:31 am

My 81 year old mother could hit 20%

Comment by spiritofsection22 04.19.14 @ 9:37 am

If free throws are any indication Haughton will probably help us keep our l.u.m.p. at the high levels we have grown accustomed to.

Comment by spiritofsection22 04.19.14 @ 10:08 am

As of this morning according to ESPN, Calipari would not confirm the Slice hiring. Why is this being held up? The article said we should have an answer by the end of the week. What is going on?

Comment by spiritofsection22 04.21.14 @ 10:41 am

No news is good news! I’m hoping that the deal falls through.

Comment by Howard 04.21.14 @ 1:37 pm

Spirit,

A lot of people are dismissing Uchebo because of his knee. I saw him come down strong with a couple of rebounds last year. From what you’ve seen, assuming his knee heels, how would you rate him?

Howard

Comment by Howard 04.21.14 @ 1:50 pm

@Howard, I can be counted with those dismissing Uchebo. He has had 2 seasons and the benefit of a major medical schools training staff to help him regain full use of his knee. Major college basketball is to competitive for players in his condition to be effective. We are a scholarship short and as unfair as it seems he has to go. I can’t rate him as you suggest because I never saw him play healthy. I don’t think I will either.

Young ,Haughton, and Randall seem to be the guys most likely get minutes at the 5 next year. I think Joseph Uchebo will transfer or be given some other kind of aid in continuing his education. I sure wish him the best.

Comment by spiritofsection22 04.21.14 @ 2:52 pm

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