March 22, 2014

I can’t be home for this one. I mean I could, but I am a little too tense to be home watching the game while the kids are bouncing about the room. Better to be in a bar with strangers who will not see me again.

I don’t know who the Florida homer they gave a press pass to, but you have to believe the same guy who went around asking Pitt players if they were intimidated at the prospect of playing Florida was at it again on Friday.

A reporter asked Cam Wright if there was a “gosh, wow thing, where you go [Florida] just looks incredible and there’s no way we can compete with them.” Wright, baffled by the question, answered “Next question, please.”

Wait. What? It wasn’t a Florida homer. Dejan, Dejan, Dejan

I asked Wright if, in watching video of the Gators, he had any gosh-wow, no-way-we-compete-with- those-guys sense, and he hesitated awhile before answering beautifully.

“Um, next question?”

Man, I don’t even know anymore. Spin the column and the question anyway you like, but that was some first-class troll bait.

I was sure it was trollin’ Mike Bianchi asking these inane Florida-centric questions. But no. Bianchi is keeping his trolling focused on the Florida fanbase. Any way he can. I guess there is an odd comfort in knowing ESPN has a replacement for Skip Bayless someday, continuing to hone his skills down in Orlando.

The players know what is at stake. It’s the NCAA Tournament. If it was a lower seed, the situation would not be different. It’s win or go home. But this is a big match-up. It’s the first game of the second round. No other games to split attention at the start.

“These are the games you grow up dreaming about and working out for. You want to play in these scenarios,” Pitt fifth-year senior swingman Lamar Patterson said. “Florida is obviously a great team. Everyone wants to beat them. We want to beat them. We’re going to give them our best shot.

“It comes down to who wants it more. Florida is a great team, but I feel like we’re a great team, also. They have that No. 1 seed, so they have the accolades and we’re sort of just reaching what we have potential to be.”

“I don’t think we have any pressure right now,” [Talib] Zanna said. “We really have confidence going into this game. A lot of people are already counting us out. We’re just going to use that as motivation, to stay hungry.”

“That’s kind of in the back of our minds, if at all,” Pitt point guard James Robinson said. “This is a good opportunity for us, a time to show what we were capable of doing all season. We’re playing our best basketball right now, so what better time to put it on display?”

Sounds good to me.

And just for good measure a bit of a redux from Cam Wright.

Pitt wasted no time in tweeting a photo of Wright with his quote: “The University of Pittsburgh is never intimidated by anyone. Not in academics. Not in basketball. Not in football. Not in anything.”

“It’s trending (on Twitter), so it’s a remarkable feeling to see the love and appreciation coming from our support system within the Zoo, the staff and students,” Wright said.

“If we were scared to play against anybody, we shouldn’t be in this tournament. That’s definitely not the case. You can’t look at an opponent and be fearful or you’ve already lost.”

It’s the second time in a week Wright has become the poster boy for Pitt athletics. The business-marketing major, who will graduate this summer, was the recipient of the ACC’s Skip Prosser Award for top-scholar athlete in the basketball conference.

“I didn’t know how huge the award was,” Wright said. “My mom (Cheryl), she was astonished and extremely happy for me. To see my mother as proud as she was, that made my day, made my year.”

I’m assuming any wishes for him to transfer from last spring are long gone.

Florida Coach Billy Donovan and point guard James Robinson are familiar with each other from the FIBA USA Basketball squads the previous two years.

“They’re really intense. Both want everything to be as close to perfect as they can,” Robinson said. “I remember playing for Coach Donovan, even though we were beating a team really bad, he still wanted us to execute and play sound. That’s the same things that Coach Dixon wants.”

The difference, Robinson said, is in their sideline methods.

“Coach Dixon will yell straight onto the court or stomp his foot to get our attention. Coach Donovan whistles. That’s how he gets his players. It’s going to be a lot of fun going up against him,” said Robinson, who also was a teammate of Florida guard Michael Frazier II.

“(Donovan) expects his point guards to run the team, really, be the leaders on the court, make plays when it’s there. I think I have a pretty good feel, watching their games and playing for him the last two summers.”

Donovan was complimentary of Robinson’s play at the point, calling him a “winner” and crediting his “great IQ for the game.”

As for the actual game. Pitt is preparing to be pressed. Not in the Louisville or VCU Havoc style. But in a way to take the offense out of its comfort.

Florida wants to speed teams up but also make them work hard to get the ball across the half-court line and shorten their shot-clock time.

That’s why, as Florida guard Scottie Wilbekin explains, the Gators press can be effective even if it doesn’t generate a single turnover. “We try to let our defense create some offense for us, but if the other team does a good job of taking care of the ball, there’s not too much of that,” he said. “Our motto is to try to wear teams down with the press and eventually grind them down with our depth and just the pressure that we put on them.”

Florida coach Billy Donovan said that Pitt is such a good passing team he doesn’t expect the Gators to be able to turn them over much.

He also said the Gators use a variety of presses and defenses, so the ability to mix and match them and change them within the context of a game also makes it difficult for opponents.

“Pittsburgh is an outstanding passing team,” Donovan said. “But [pressure] is disruptive, it is something you have to deal with every single possession. I think there’s other things you can get out of the press. It’s our style of play. It’s kind of what we do.

“There are times we change and don’t trap as much. We play full-court, man-to-man and sometimes we pick up [zone]. Pressing for us is a part of it. Ideally, yeah, you’d want to turn teams over a lot but if you don’t, for us, we’re getting nine players in the game.”

This is the thing. Florida, despite the pressing is not a team that really pushes tempo. Heck, per they have a slower adjusted tempo than Pitt. They are trying to disrupt the opposing team’s offense. Make them burn a  lot of clock just trying to get set, or get out of a comfort zone by trying to go faster than they should.

Florida, like Pitt is not an up-and-down team. They will try to score quickly in transition, but are just as comfortable running a half-court set.

Finally, a good piece from Ron Cook on Jamie Dixon accepting and ignoring criticisms of failures in the NCAA Tournament.

I say the criticism will stop or at least slow significantly.

Dixon smiled and said otherwise.

“It’s never going to stop. No matter what you do, it’s never enough.”

Dixon gets it. He understands the elevator music.

“The more you win, the more you are expected to win,” he said. “If you make the Final 16, you should make the Final Eight. If you make the Final Eight, you should make the Final Four. Even if you win the national championship, it isn’t enough. Look at [Kentucky coach John] Calipari. He won it all. Do you think there saying in Kentucky, ‘OK, you won one. That’s enough.’ Of course, they’re not. They want more. They always want more.”

Former Connecticut Hall of Fame coach Jim Calhoun eloquently described that sort of thing a few years ago.

“People stop asking about your win total and start asking about St. Louis or San Antonio or wherever the Final Four is that year. As you build that monster, the monster has to be fed. That’s where Pittsburgh is at right now. It has created its own beast.”

You know what?

That’s a good thing.

That means your program is a great program.

“It is a good thing,” Dixon said. “I don’t blame anyone for wanting us to do more. We want to do more.”

12:15 on CBS. We will see if Pitt does more.

Blatherites. We are ready to rock.
I am DVRing, as usual. But, the “blue and gold” boxers are on and I am psyched.


Comment by pmdH2P 03.22.14 @ 9:05 am

@Dr Tom

Upitt said that he was going to the games in Orlando, as I recall. So, let’s watch for the stud in the stands with the bat in his hand and wearing a catcher’s mask. Maybe also a “Durand” headband.


Comment by pmdH2P 03.22.14 @ 9:07 am

Very excited for this game. Seems like it is going to consist of me pulling my hair out for 40 straight minutes, possibly an additional 5. Patterson and Zanna are at the top of their games right now so hopefully they can lead us to a win. Hail to PITT!

Comment by Todd Gack 03.22.14 @ 9:12 am

In any tournament you eventually have to beat someone good. It is easier to take out the favorite early. Ask John McEnroe. He would puke in the majors before the quarter finals. If it gets tough today Florida will get tight.

Comment by kman 03.22.14 @ 9:33 am

We’ve been waiting awhile to see Jamie pull off that BIG WIN in the Tournament.

Today is the day.

Comment by PittofDreams 03.22.14 @ 9:35 am

Time to bust a whole lot of brackets.

Let’s Go Pitt!

Comment by gc 03.22.14 @ 9:37 am

A win today would be the biggest in Pitt history. That being said, the two things that worry me are:

1 The ability to handle the press(the NC image remains)
2 The team wearing down under the pressure. This team is not deep, and the pressure will be relentless.

Let’s go Pitt

Comment by Jimbo 03.22.14 @ 9:40 am

I’m thrilled by JD’s response to high expectations. Fact is that he has raised our expectations and that is part of being a successful coach. I am certainly guilty of criticizing some of his methods (overcoaching, for example) but it doesn’t mean that I’m not a fan or wish him to be fired.

Actually, the worst for a coach and program is for the fans to have little or no expectations

Comment by wbb 03.22.14 @ 9:58 am

Pitt by 5. Hail to Pitt!

Comment by MariettaMike 03.22.14 @ 9:58 am

Florida is a vastly over rated team that plays in a weak conference. If Pitt can shoot 50% they will win this game

Comment by Chick 03.22.14 @ 10:37 am

We need some points from the guards today. Who will step up?

My biggest concern is early foul trouble. Hope the refs let them play today.

Comment by gc 03.22.14 @ 10:40 am

It’s about time for things to go Pitt’s way….time for an epic win!

Comment by Jackagain 03.22.14 @ 10:49 am

Hail to Pitt!!!!!!!! Let’s Rock!!!

Comment by Dan 03.22.14 @ 10:57 am

I’m drunk on adrenaline.
Hail Pitt

Comment by Justin 03.22.14 @ 10:59 am

Shock the world!!!

Comment by John 03.22.14 @ 11:05 am

Here is wishing and prying hell maybe

Comment by Frankcan 03.22.14 @ 11:09 am

Zanna again the key and Fla knows it. They will bang him and double him. Pitt needs to get some transition hoops.

I’m not ready for this season to be over. C’mon Panthers, shock the sports world and give me another week!

Comment by Iron Duke 03.22.14 @ 11:09 am

Lets go boys! Shock the Gators!

Hail to Pitt!!!

Comment by Kenny Powers 03.22.14 @ 11:11 am

Jamie won’t do it but would love to see Pitt start the game by full court pressing Florida. Would be complete surprise. Might get a couple cheap hoops out if it.

Comment by Scott 03.22.14 @ 11:13 am

How was that foul on Zanna????? He was being pushed by Young!!!

Comment by Pitt Dad 03.22.14 @ 11:23 am

How was that a foul on Zanna?

Comment by Pendlum 03.22.14 @ 11:23 am

cheap call on zanna there. not liking us settling for the quick perimeter shots early. we need to try to work it inside

Comment by usd121 03.22.14 @ 11:23 am

This is going to be over early if they are giving the Gators calls like that.

Comment by Pitt Dad 03.22.14 @ 11:24 am

Zanjan getting mauled early w an awful foul call on hm. I hope we don’t have to beat the refs today also!

Comment by Dan 72 03.22.14 @ 11:25 am

patrick young kind of looks like a slimmer dejuan blair

Comment by usd121 03.22.14 @ 11:26 am

someone needs to make a shot

Comment by usd121 03.22.14 @ 11:30 am

Going to be a long day if we continue to miss from outside

Comment by Dan 72 03.22.14 @ 11:30 am

Missing a lot of open looks.

Comment by Iron Duke 03.22.14 @ 11:31 am

No rebounding. And not liking the way this game is being called. Bad combination. But so far doing a good job of going around or over the press.

Comment by Pitt Dad 03.22.14 @ 11:31 am

+1000 Dan72 and usd121’s comments.

We need SOMEONE to hit from the outside!!!!!!!

Comment by TVax 03.22.14 @ 11:32 am

little cold from the outside…work the ball into Z more

Comment by Emel 03.22.14 @ 11:33 am

If we can’t hit from outside we’re done. We should be up by 4. Its nerves, shots have been open looks and we hit same two days ago.

Comment by Old School Panther 03.22.14 @ 11:33 am

A lot of Florida fans but by no means an intimatdating crowd, Pitt has to hit some shots. The Florida press is more token right now, let’s see how each coach adjusts as the game goes along,

Comment by WLAT and the Big Beat!! 03.22.14 @ 11:33 am

Quick shots by young and wright.

Trouble on defensive boards.

Refs not giving us a friendly whistle.

Pitt looks a little tentative.

Not looking good. To pull off the upset Pitt needs some swagger.

Comment by Boubacar Aw 03.22.14 @ 11:33 am

wow, Newkirk!!!!!

Comment by xfmrman 03.22.14 @ 11:35 am


Comment by Emel 03.22.14 @ 11:35 am

Randall looks good on D

Comment by xfmrman 03.22.14 @ 11:36 am

Newk!!! But make the FT man!!

Comment by Pitt Dad 03.22.14 @ 11:37 am

UF is not going to miss open 3s all afternoon. Pitt defense needs to rotate better off screens.

Comment by Brian 03.22.14 @ 11:38 am

Patterson is cold and killing us

Comment by WLAT and the Big Beat!! 03.22.14 @ 11:41 am

Patterson has 0 and we cannot buy a basket yet we are tied. Good sign!

Comment by Dan 72 03.22.14 @ 11:42 am

Offensive foul, this is turning into a street fight

Comment by WLAT and the Big Beat!! 03.22.14 @ 11:43 am

Game seems to be in a ‘holding pattern’.
lol xfmr….what was he in for 10 secs.

Comment by Emel 03.22.14 @ 11:43 am

Lamar has 2 pts. on the one he put in off a missed shot

Comment by Emel 03.22.14 @ 11:44 am

We’re not making it easy on Florida. Ref’s are favoring the Gators which is why Pitt is tentative.

Comment by MariettaMike 03.22.14 @ 11:44 am

On a positive note,,,we are stone cold and game is still tied !!!

Comment by Emel 03.22.14 @ 11:44 am

well patterson had the open looks he just seems tight right now. We need him to hit those shots in order to win this game. He hits those 3pters and we win

Comment by Nate_PittPanfan 03.22.14 @ 11:44 am

Cam having another awful offense game!

Comment by Dan 72 03.22.14 @ 11:47 am

Make UF pay for their full court press. Don’t just get the ball over the timeline, then hold the ball while waiting for the defense to set up with :18 left to shoot.

Comment by Brian 03.22.14 @ 11:48 am

Lamar has to take over.

Comment by Iron Duke 03.22.14 @ 11:49 am

that hurt – too many turnovers and not getting rebounds – and now they are getting hot

Comment by Pitt Dad 03.22.14 @ 11:49 am

they’re starting to double team JR on the press. Need to throw it to midcourt on the inbounds

Comment by Emel 03.22.14 @ 11:49 am

Uh oh down 5. Good to by Jamie. Cam is just out matched please keep Newk in.

Comment by Dan 72 03.22.14 @ 11:49 am

Guy blatantly grabs Cams arm so he loses the ball…no foul called. Here we go again, have to play the team and the refs.

Comment by Hank the Tank 03.22.14 @ 11:50 am

really need a hoop…only 2 pts in the last 5 minutes

Comment by Emel 03.22.14 @ 11:50 am

Gotta stem this right now. If we go down by 10 I don’t think we can claw back. As bad as we’ve shot, Florida has been awful too.

Comment by Kenny Powers 03.22.14 @ 11:51 am

Refs are calling a consistent game there is a lot of physical play, the crowd here is coming alive a lot of Florida fans were sitting on their hands now they are into the game. Pitt has to score otherwise they are playing a good game.

Comment by WLAT and the Big Beat!! 03.22.14 @ 11:51 am

Players playing tight. Someone needs to hit a couple. Missing easy open shots all over the floor.

Comment by TVax 03.22.14 @ 11:51 am

Very disappointing. This Florida team is beatable. Pitt did not show up ready to compete. Way too tentative, careful. No where near aggressive enough. Go down swinging.

Comment by Boubacar Aw 03.22.14 @ 11:51 am

knee to the head….blatant foul !!!

Comment by Emel 03.22.14 @ 11:54 am

Take the damn shot!!! Drive to the bucket and all we do is turn around and look to pass out!!

Comment by Dan 72 03.22.14 @ 11:55 am

Now their biggest guy puts his knee into Lamar’s head…no call, just a held ball. Must be nice!

Comment by Hank the Tank 03.22.14 @ 11:55 am

Belicheat is there,,,we’re screwed

Comment by Emel 03.22.14 @ 11:55 am

No call for kneeing Patterson in the head??? WTF??

Comment by Pitt Dad 03.22.14 @ 11:56 am

thats exactly right we play these big name teams and it seems like we play way to tight like nobody wants to make the bad shot. Well these cinderella teams throw up prayers and just get loose go for broke and were def not playing like that right now.

Comment by Nate_PittPanfan 03.22.14 @ 11:56 am

Offense has been effective when getting the ball inside. Just hasn’t been doing it enough.

Comment by Brian 03.22.14 @ 11:56 am

Wow, NOT what I expected. Can they put in DJ with one leg?

Comment by TVax 03.22.14 @ 11:56 am

I agree once they break the press attack the basket !!!!

They have had the odd man break!!!

Not looking good

Comment by WLAT and the Big Beat!! 03.22.14 @ 11:57 am

Pitt looks to be pacing themselves. I’m sure they will play more aggressive in second half.

Comment by MariettaMike 03.22.14 @ 11:57 am

Maybe Lamar gets mad now, nothing like getting a knee in the head while you are defenseless.

Comment by gc 03.22.14 @ 11:57 am

Yes! 3

Comment by Gordo 03.22.14 @ 11:58 am

Robinson can’t miss those open looks and that was a bad miss!!!!!!

Comment by WLAT and the Big Beat!! 03.22.14 @ 11:59 am

cmon hit this!

Comment by Gordo 03.22.14 @ 11:59 am

Prather dragged his pivot foot.

Comment by xfmrman 03.22.14 @ 12:00 pm

alright two nice shots by Lamar a 3 and Young

Comment by Emel 03.22.14 @ 12:00 pm

Missing a lot of shots, getting manhandled a little, but still in the game.

Need to start making shots.

Comment by gc 03.22.14 @ 12:00 pm

Yes! D up! let’s go! Fight! Intimidate!!

Comment by Gordo 03.22.14 @ 12:00 pm

Nice suggestion by the sideline reporter for Pitt to back off on defending layups because of foul trouble. Everyone has zero or one fouls.

Comment by Brian 03.22.14 @ 12:01 pm

Needed one more foul

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Comment by xfmrman 03.22.14 @ 12:02 pm

yea right gc…why didn’t we foul again

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Comment by Pitt Dad 03.22.14 @ 12:02 pm

Not a good ending to first half.

Comment by MariettaMike 03.22.14 @ 12:02 pm

How many times are we going to get burnt like that? Foul again don’t let him shoot! F&ck!

Comment by Iron Duke 03.22.14 @ 12:02 pm


Comment by Fred 03.22.14 @ 12:02 pm

suppose to foul that last play wtf

Comment by Nate_PittPanfan 03.22.14 @ 12:02 pm

Well, at least its close. Hard to believe only 6 total fouls. If pit makes its open looks and adjusts for some quicker offense, they can pull this out.

Comment by Pendlum 03.22.14 @ 12:03 pm

How does EVERYONE hit these buzzer beaters against us? Ugh!

Comment by Hank the Tank 03.22.14 @ 12:03 pm

Young tried to foul.

Comment by Pitt Dad 03.22.14 @ 12:03 pm

Hopefully that was their clutch shot of the day. How in the heck does that happen to us this many times this season?

Comment by Yeti 03.22.14 @ 12:03 pm

Huge mistake at end of half. He’s in the game to foul for Christ’s sake

Comment by Antiguafor200Alex 03.22.14 @ 12:04 pm

we had a couple more fouls to give…they fouled once, by design or not…foul again to burn another sec or 2….that could be a devastating 3

Comment by Emel 03.22.14 @ 12:04 pm

Boneheaded play by Jones, Pitt can handle the pressure they need to get more aggressive and go inside.

Refs are letting them play, just poor shot selection and poor offensive execution.

Comment by WLAT and the Big Beat!! 03.22.14 @ 12:04 pm

Getting in late fellas. Foul calls or lack thereof is how the tourney has been called so far.

Carpe’ Gators!

Comment by dhuffdaddy 03.22.14 @ 12:04 pm

yea right Pitt Dad, maybe we did foul and the ref didn’t call it

Comment by Emel 03.22.14 @ 12:04 pm

I blame Dixon!

Comment by Gordo 03.22.14 @ 12:06 pm

exactly he was suppose to foul we had only 4 fouls but that just gives them all the momentum going into the half. We need to get out right away on transition get the eary shot stop letting there D get set.

Comment by Nate_PittPanfan 03.22.14 @ 12:07 pm

Blame Jones, he had one job, foul the man and he blew it, not JD’s fault, he had everything set up.

Comment by Jimbo 03.22.14 @ 12:10 pm

If Zanna wakes up, get a little freshmen magic, AND Patterson finds his stroke I like our chances… a lot of ifs but more than doable H2P

Comment by Gordo 03.22.14 @ 12:10 pm

They are much more physical than us and can shoot. Not a game you can grind out.

We don’t win unless a couple guys get real hot and make some shots.

Comment by gc 03.22.14 @ 12:10 pm

Jimbo, forgot my sarcasm font, my bad. Absolutely on Jones

Comment by Gordo 03.22.14 @ 12:11 pm

Lamar with 7 pts to lead the scoring

Z with 4 on only 2 shots…only 1 offensive rebound

Young & Artis with 4, Nuke with 3


Comment by Emel 03.22.14 @ 12:11 pm

Come on Dixon coach! Less than 3 seconds and you have fouls to give? You let them in bound and drive. Run the darn clock out with fouls! Coaching, coaching, coaching !

Comment by Pitt fan in Atlanta 03.22.14 @ 12:12 pm

It’s been a good game but we could be in a better situation I predict LP comes out right away gets the 3 and then JR gets a steal with the breakaway layup to CW and ties the game. Wishful thinking

Comment by Nate_PittPanfan 03.22.14 @ 12:12 pm

Another Ennis moment. We’re going to get screwed by the refs on occasion, but to screw yourself adds another layer. Cam is useless on offense, he has to wake up on new basket. Only Newkirk shot a foul, FL must be cleanest D in the world. Hate this but unless we hit 4 or 5 threes Lamar and Zanna are done. They deserve better.

Comment by Old School Panther 03.22.14 @ 12:12 pm

I think Zanna only got the ball three times. Two easy baskets and a kick out for a good look at a 3.

Comment by Brian 03.22.14 @ 12:12 pm

I’d like to see us try and push it some more…best way to curb pressure is to “hit em on the mouth” back them up a bit

Comment by Gordo 03.22.14 @ 12:13 pm

Also need to take some charges, they are out of control when they drive. Not sure the refs will make the right call though.

Comment by gc 03.22.14 @ 12:13 pm

Wright looks terrible so far…the whole team looks tight, and right after their big speech about how they’re not intimidated by anything or anyone.

Time to show that you meant it now for 20 minutes.

Comment by Jackagain 03.22.14 @ 12:14 pm

Too much standing around on offense for my liking.

Also UF looks way too comfortable on offense…we’re just playing a basic defense.

Need to come out in a different defense, to make them less comfortable on offense and before they start warming up.

Comment by Emel 03.22.14 @ 12:14 pm

Our guards had a few wide open shots and zip, nothing. They are going to have top step up and score. Again Jones was in there to foul, his mistake, that gave Florida the momentum going into half time, it sucks.

Comment by WLAT and the Big Beat!! 03.22.14 @ 12:15 pm

@Atlanta – you’re wrong, Jones didn’t execute the second time. If Dixon called it off(another foul of Wilbekan), then Dixon sucks.

Comment by TVax 03.22.14 @ 12:16 pm

Zero points from your 2 starting guards is not a formula for success. At least Zanna is outscoring P. Young.

Comment by Jackagain 03.22.14 @ 12:17 pm

It appears they’re game plan is to let JR & Cam shoot….it’s working JR is 0 for 3 (2 3’s) and Cam is 0 for 4.

Comment by Emel 03.22.14 @ 12:17 pm

I imagine DJ is just a little fired up right about now!

Comment by Gordo 03.22.14 @ 12:17 pm

I have faith that we can keep this game close and keep it at least a one possession game and possibly pull off the upset at the buzzer. We are due for a big win after the up’s and down’s of this season losing to very good basketball teams on buzzer beaters. These guys are coming out and going to play there best 20min they played all season.

Comment by Nate_PittPanfan 03.22.14 @ 12:18 pm

I have seen some of the dumbest basketball ever in this years NCAA with VCU leading the way. Pitt just added their chapter

Comment by Dan 72 03.22.14 @ 12:19 pm

Here Here Nate

Comment by Gordo 03.22.14 @ 12:19 pm

If DJ dressed and stood at the 3-point line, coule he be more effective than one of our guards on offense?

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Comment by TVax 03.22.14 @ 12:20 pm

I don’t think the refs are going to screw us, believe me this is a physical game and Pitt only had what like 5 fouls called in the first half, Pitt is losing because their guards can’t score.

Comment by WLAT and the Big Beat!! 03.22.14 @ 12:20 pm

Interestingly, the rule on contact above the shoulders refers only to elbows making contact, not any other body part. Hmmm.

Comment by Pitt Dad 03.22.14 @ 12:21 pm

Need more Newkirk. Wright needs to take a pill.

Comment by gc 03.22.14 @ 12:22 pm

Lamar and Talib need to play like there is no tomorrow. Cause….

Comment by gc 03.22.14 @ 12:23 pm

funny but true TVax…Let’s hope Patterson/Newkirk get hot

Comment by Gordo 03.22.14 @ 12:23 pm

The mistake was taking Chris Jones out. Pitt still had another foul to give and another foul and inbound pass, wouldn’t have given them enough time to inbound the ball and get off a good shot. It’s water under the dam now. Pitt’s playing good defense, but they do better on the offensive end. Florida is taking away the things Pitt likes to do offensively. All in all, the Panthers are hanging in there. It was a tough break giving up a 3 at the buzzer.

Comment by Justinian 03.22.14 @ 12:24 pm

cmon box out fellas

Comment by Gordo 03.22.14 @ 12:25 pm

Patrick Young really goes after the rebound, he is a beast.

Comment by WLAT and the Big Beat!! 03.22.14 @ 12:26 pm

Another miss by Wright, he had a good look

Comment by WLAT and the Big Beat!! 03.22.14 @ 12:27 pm

Cam wright is killing us!

Comment by Dan 72 03.22.14 @ 12:28 pm


Comment by Gordo 03.22.14 @ 12:28 pm

We need to take the ball to the hoop hard, make the officials call something. I think the FL size has our guys Leary of the block. I would yank Young next time he stops 5 ft from the basket and pitches back outside.

Comment by Jimbo 03.22.14 @ 12:28 pm

Wright and Robinson look horrible, the tide has turned, I’m here at the game you can see it slipping away.

Comment by WLAT and the Big Beat!! 03.22.14 @ 12:29 pm

Pitt opens on a 2-6 run and Fla is playing volleyball on the offensive boards. Ugly start

Comment by Dan 72 03.22.14 @ 12:29 pm

that was definitely wishful thinking on my behalf. We gotta get a body on Young and your right Dan72 Cam wright is killing us both on O and D he’s making some really stupid plays.

Comment by Nate_PittPanfan 03.22.14 @ 12:30 pm

Does PITT want to win this game? They getting out hussled. Wright needs to give en something and Lamar has to take more shots.

Comment by Pittastic 03.22.14 @ 12:30 pm

Patric Young = DeJuan Blair

Comment by Iron Duke 03.22.14 @ 12:30 pm

@jUSTINIAN – they did not take Jones out.

Stop Cam shooting!!

Comment by TVax 03.22.14 @ 12:31 pm

JD has go pull Cam for Josh. Wright in a funk. This game is close to getting out of control.

Comment by Old School Panther 03.22.14 @ 12:31 pm

If you watch that replay not one of our guys are boxing out. We will never out rebound them without getting a body on there bigs.

Comment by Nate_PittPanfan 03.22.14 @ 12:32 pm

We need a point guard. Look at the difference it makes.

Comment by Upittbaseball 03.22.14 @ 12:32 pm

Has robinson ever taken the ball to the hole and not been rejected?

Comment by Upittbaseball 03.22.14 @ 12:33 pm

Put nuke & artis in

Comment by Emel 03.22.14 @ 12:34 pm

Keep Newkirk in the rest of the game…

Comment by Gordo 03.22.14 @ 12:34 pm

They are better than us, but we are helping them right now.

Comment by gc 03.22.14 @ 12:34 pm

another 2 pts in 5 minutes drought

Comment by Emel 03.22.14 @ 12:36 pm

so Robinson gets called when the guy runs into him????? WTF????

Comment by Pitt Dad 03.22.14 @ 12:37 pm

Upitt – Robinson is limited athletically. They need to get the ball to Lamar early in the shot clock.

Comment by Pittastic 03.22.14 @ 12:37 pm

Press is speeding Pitt into oblivian!

Comment by Dan 72 03.22.14 @ 12:37 pm

They are getting body slammed by a lowland gorilla

Comment by gc 03.22.14 @ 12:37 pm

We look very unathletic and the rout is on, Robinson and Wright look lost and suddenly have forgot how to play basketball,

Comment by WLAT and the Big Beat!! 03.22.14 @ 12:37 pm

our guys are even running into eachother…yikes

Comment by Emel 03.22.14 @ 12:38 pm

Got the ball inside to Zanna twice on the first possession, so that had to be mentioned at the half. He scored so Pitt gave up on that plan again.

Comment by Brian 03.22.14 @ 12:38 pm

Pittastic – i agree. Robinson has to be better or replaced.

Comment by Upittbaseball 03.22.14 @ 12:39 pm

At east they are making me puke early, rather than a tight, gut-wrenching 2nd half.


Comment by TVax 03.22.14 @ 12:39 pm

Florida – cleanest team ever – 25 minutes and only 2 fouls

Comment by Pitt Dad 03.22.14 @ 12:40 pm

Why did Artis dribble instead of putting the shot up after the rebound?

Comment by Pittastic 03.22.14 @ 12:40 pm

Cold as ice. Season fading

Comment by Dan 72 03.22.14 @ 12:41 pm

They are camping out under the basket

Comment by gc 03.22.14 @ 12:41 pm

got the ball to Zanna – nothing

Comment by Pitt Dad 03.22.14 @ 12:41 pm

@gc – that should have been a 3 sec call

Comment by Pitt Dad 03.22.14 @ 12:42 pm

Shit you think we can score at least once more before the game is over?

Comment by WLAT and the Big Beat!! 03.22.14 @ 12:42 pm

They get to all loose balls

Comment by gc 03.22.14 @ 12:43 pm

Florida as quick as Cuse and a better offense. Pitt getting embarrassed now

Comment by Dan 72 03.22.14 @ 12:44 pm

The wheels are coming off

Comment by WLAT and the Big Beat!! 03.22.14 @ 12:44 pm

Pitt Dad, there should have been a half dozen of them

Comment by gc 03.22.14 @ 12:44 pm

this is getting ugly..we seem intimidated

Comment by Emel 03.22.14 @ 12:44 pm


Comment by Antiguafor200Alex 03.22.14 @ 12:44 pm

@gc – I know. But, then again, there should have been a few more fouls on the Gators too.

Comment by Pitt Dad 03.22.14 @ 12:45 pm

Wheels were never on today.

Comment by TVax 03.22.14 @ 12:45 pm

They are as advertised, we needed to play our best game, we are not.

Comment by gc 03.22.14 @ 12:46 pm

Florida not shooting much better than we are, just getting more opportunities due to rebounding and turnovers.

Comment by Pitt Dad 03.22.14 @ 12:46 pm

Our kids are playing like they know they can’t win this. Gonna take a miracle.

Comment by Old School Panther 03.22.14 @ 12:46 pm

Moving up tee time. Very good season by Pitt!

Comment by Dan 72 03.22.14 @ 12:46 pm

Florida is well coached. If they could make shots with that D they could be up 25

Comment by Upittbaseball 03.22.14 @ 12:46 pm

this isn’t a “few more fouls” difference game.

Comment by TVax 03.22.14 @ 12:46 pm

that is pretty incredible..only 2 fouls on UF, some of these blocks/strips are probably fouls

Comment by Emel 03.22.14 @ 12:46 pm

We’re afraid to shoot we have open shots but pass them up. Florida is having fun. We’re looking very tentative. Pitt has nothing to lose by playing reckless but they aren’t interested in playing tough.

Comment by MariettaMike 03.22.14 @ 12:47 pm

I’d say go small to get better ball handlers on the floor but we’d give up so many offensive rebounds that wouldn’t work either.

Comment by Pittastic 03.22.14 @ 12:47 pm

As bad as it’s gone, it’s not out of reach. Looks like the seniors will have to take over if any comeback is going to happen.

Comment by Brian 03.22.14 @ 12:48 pm

@TVax – the point is that there were some obvious non-calls. If a few of those get called, perhaps Florida backs off just a little.

Comment by Pitt Dad 03.22.14 @ 12:48 pm

Florida is just too effing good. I’m happy with the season. Would have been nice to pull off an upset, but as Pitt fans you knew deep down inside it wouldn’t happen.

Comment by Panther Pride 03.22.14 @ 12:48 pm

bailed out

Comment by Gordo 03.22.14 @ 12:48 pm

We got bailed out.

Comment by Pittastic 03.22.14 @ 12:49 pm

Refs certainly let them play, I asked for it, can’t complain about it.

And now they called the third foul on FL

Comment by gc 03.22.14 @ 12:49 pm

ok make your fts

Comment by Gordo 03.22.14 @ 12:49 pm

26 points with 10 mins left in a game is gross. Why is robinson on the floor?????

Comment by Upittbaseball 03.22.14 @ 12:49 pm

Our guards are killing us…Robinson and Wright couldn’t hurt us more if they played for Florida

Comment by Leaseman 03.22.14 @ 12:50 pm

Gordo – I’m as so typing as Robinson is on the court. You beat me to the post

Comment by Pittastic 03.22.14 @ 12:50 pm

Need to recruit some kids who can play, take you off the dribble.

Comment by Emel 03.22.14 @ 12:51 pm

Wright needs to work on his handles. A guard that can’t dribble is useless.

Comment by Pittastic 03.22.14 @ 12:51 pm

Patterson should start bombing 3s

Comment by Gordo 03.22.14 @ 12:52 pm


I disagree they hung with them for over a half, our guards today had open looks we just missed or panicked. Jamie needs more athletic guards. I just hope we make the game respectable because I’m here at the game and a lot of Florida fans here were late arriving and the trash talking has started.

Comment by WLAT and the Big Beat!! 03.22.14 @ 12:52 pm

Pitt’s offense today is the equivalent of not crossing mid-field in football.

Comment by Iron Duke 03.22.14 @ 12:52 pm

Gordo – meant slow

Comment by Pittastic 03.22.14 @ 12:52 pm

5points in 10 minutes won’t beat Carlow

Comment by Dan 72 03.22.14 @ 12:52 pm

Too bad the Albany game probably woke Florida up. I think that made them realize that they can’t overlook anyone and better bring their game today.

Comment by Panther Pride 03.22.14 @ 12:53 pm

We can stop the who does UF play in the SEC talk.

Comment by Upittbaseball 03.22.14 @ 12:53 pm

And they call that foul??????

Comment by Pitt Dad 03.22.14 @ 12:54 pm

Zanna looks completely disinterested. Cam, after his wonderful quote, looks totally intimidated.

Comment by Hank the Tank 03.22.14 @ 12:54 pm

if you’re gonna make a run should start right about now

Comment by Gordo 03.22.14 @ 12:54 pm

Patterson is our best player and should take the majority of the shots.

Comment by Pittastic 03.22.14 @ 12:54 pm

It’s over

Comment by WLAT and the Big Beat!! 03.22.14 @ 12:55 pm

This is a carbon copy of the Wichita State game last year.

Comment by Brian 03.22.14 @ 12:55 pm

about time they called that

Comment by Pitt Dad 03.22.14 @ 12:56 pm

This game has been called very fair. Wilbekin makes Robinson look like a 4th grader

Comment by Upittbaseball 03.22.14 @ 12:56 pm

Too many athletes on Florida compared to PITT. We need 3s.

Comment by Pittastic 03.22.14 @ 12:57 pm

3s all the way Pittastic. It’s the only way

Comment by Gordo 03.22.14 @ 12:58 pm

Actually a pretty good year, considering your starting 2G has 10 3’s all year.

Better players please

Comment by Emel 03.22.14 @ 12:58 pm

No coaching, no defense, no offense, no heart, no fire. Im just shocked. Expected more from Dixon and from the team.

Comment by Upittbaseball 03.22.14 @ 12:58 pm

Pitt down 13 with 6:47 left, looking confused & dispirited. Can they break 40?

Comment by kentropic 03.22.14 @ 12:58 pm

Pitt out talented in this game, plain and simple.

Comment by Panther Pride 03.22.14 @ 12:59 pm

there you go Artis

Comment by Gordo 03.22.14 @ 12:59 pm

Leave artis in and take wright out and robinson out.

Comment by Upittbaseball 03.22.14 @ 12:59 pm

Got some good shooting guards on the way Emel

Comment by Gordo 03.22.14 @ 12:59 pm

I loves James Robinson. Smart, tough, good defender. But when your point guard can’t shoot or get into the lane with any lift, your offense suffers against good competition.

Comment by Antiguafor200Alex 03.22.14 @ 1:00 pm

Bonner mustn’t have watched too many Pitt games. JR penetrate the lane & create ???? HUH

Comment by Emel 03.22.14 @ 1:00 pm

who Gordo ?

Comment by Emel 03.22.14 @ 1:01 pm

how about jamel artis he is the only player on our team that looks ready to play. He is a player that can handle the big game moments I really hope he doesn’t transfer to another school but I have a bad feeling about him doing so.

Comment by Nate_PittPanfan 03.22.14 @ 1:01 pm

and When ?

Comment by Emel 03.22.14 @ 1:01 pm

Pitt, please go on a run — not only so we can get back I the game, but so we don’t have to listen to UPitt tell us all how bad everything at Pitt sucks.

Comment by Hank the Tank 03.22.14 @ 1:01 pm

UF is more talented but I can’t defend making no offensive adjustments after a 22-point half. Pitt only stopped wasting time and running out the shot clock when they were down by so much that the game clock became a factor.

Comment by Brian 03.22.14 @ 1:02 pm

Cam Wright has scored 7 points in the 2nd half. In the 1st half he 0 for 5 on open short jumpers.
Attis Just made a big shot. They nned to start making more shots.

Comment by Justinian 03.22.14 @ 1:02 pm

When you get behind them and the refs are calling much FL defense is unbelievably good, we may be getting beat by another champion.

Comment by gc 03.22.14 @ 1:02 pm

Pitt should press.

Comment by MariettaMike 03.22.14 @ 1:02 pm

They said they weren’t intimidated by Florida but they sure are playing like they are

Comment by Leaseman 03.22.14 @ 1:02 pm

I Believe they can win this game. Couple shots and a couple stops make it close. HTP!

Comment by BomberSunshine 03.22.14 @ 1:03 pm

James Robinson is a good player. Any coach in the country would want him on his team. Plain and simple. Great guy to have off the bench and is only a sophmore. A bit overexposed as a starter. I think Newkirk’s time is next year.

Comment by Gordo 03.22.14 @ 1:03 pm

And let’s not forget…. Their twice “indefinitely suspended” point guard is pretty important to their team

Comment by Antiguafor200Alex 03.22.14 @ 1:04 pm

cmon cmon keep it up

Comment by Gordo 03.22.14 @ 1:04 pm

Wilbekin made a tough shot. Even when we play good D they make things happen.

Comment by Pittastic 03.22.14 @ 1:05 pm

Wilbiken is toooo much

Comment by gc 03.22.14 @ 1:05 pm

Hank Im sorry you must be watching another game. Glad you are happy with the effort and scoring 40 points in a game.

Comment by Upittbaseball 03.22.14 @ 1:06 pm

Newkirk is our only athlete. I want PITT to do well but we have athletic deficiencies.

Comment by Pittastic 03.22.14 @ 1:07 pm

i hate kids named Scottie….

Comment by Emel 03.22.14 @ 1:07 pm

Pitt missed a ton of open shots today but it’s painfully evident that Florida has more talented players. Difference in end if shot click execution is striking.

Comment by Scott 03.22.14 @ 1:08 pm

we’ve played the same base defense all game..when you have less talent than other team,,,you need to so something else to create turnovers…UF ONLY has 5 for the game

Comment by Emel 03.22.14 @ 1:09 pm

well, really nothing to lose at this point. Best chance is for a Patterson 3 barrage like the first Syracuse game

Comment by Gordo 03.22.14 @ 1:09 pm

@UPitt – They’ve made a total of 3 more baskets and 2 more FTs than us. How can you say they are so much more talented.

Comment by Pitt Dad 03.22.14 @ 1:09 pm

your right newkirk is the best athlete on our team. Right now we have no answer for scottie wilbekin

Comment by Nate_PittPanfan 03.22.14 @ 1:10 pm

There’s an old phrase Give him a Shot, within the rules of course. Just ask Krauser

Comment by Old School Panther 03.22.14 @ 1:10 pm

Oh I’m watching — and can see with my own eyes how bad they’re playing. Don’t need you to tell me about it.

Not going to get into this with you…we’re both frustrated with how this team is performing. We just deal with it differently.

Have at it, man.

Comment by Hank the Tank 03.22.14 @ 1:10 pm

Young and Johnson are pretty good atheletes too Pittastic, too bad they’re both hurt

Comment by Gordo 03.22.14 @ 1:10 pm

Over the back on the missed FT.

Comment by Brian 03.22.14 @ 1:11 pm

it’s time to double team & trap….coach

Comment by Emel 03.22.14 @ 1:12 pm

Wilbekon has abused whoever guards him, last blow by hoop over JR

Comment by Emel 03.22.14 @ 1:13 pm

Gordo – They’re something to look forward to next year. I hope Johnson is back and better than before.

Comment by Pittastic 03.22.14 @ 1:13 pm

Hank, more than anything today is about being prepared to play and hustle. I dont see it and that pointd to Dixon. Good season. Pitt Dad – Florida plays defense and they rebound.

Comment by Upittbaseball 03.22.14 @ 1:13 pm

I’m done see you guys next football season, disappointed but we just don’t have the athletes to compete, it showed today.

Take care all

Comment by WLAT and the Big Beat!! 03.22.14 @ 1:14 pm

Is it just me or does Wilbekin take steps every other drive to the basket?

Comment by Panther Pride 03.22.14 @ 1:14 pm

Wilbekin is a baller. Turn off the lights. Robinson go to the gym and practice. Dixon recruit a point guard.

Comment by Upittbaseball 03.22.14 @ 1:15 pm

2:38 left and down by 10….you can’t just play your base defense….WTF…lol

Comment by Emel 03.22.14 @ 1:15 pm

Florida isn’t so good or better than us, we just shot like SHI_!!

Comment by TVax 03.22.14 @ 1:15 pm

14 offensive boards for UF. “And now they’re trying to foul Wilbekin, but they can’t catch him….” There you have it, in a nutshell.

Comment by kentropic 03.22.14 @ 1:15 pm

Foul. What’s with this team today. Just le Wilbikin run all over the place.

Comment by MariettaMike 03.22.14 @ 1:15 pm

Well, thank you for your efforts Lamar and Zanna. You forever will be solid Pitt men! Good luck in all of your endeavors. Better season than I realistically expected. They should keep their heads up.

Comment by Gordo 03.22.14 @ 1:15 pm

JR can practice forever…he isn’t fast, quick and in games against better PG he always gets exposed

Comment by Emel 03.22.14 @ 1:17 pm

Vulcan Rob said, “Don’t worry, after Pitt beats them all the “experts” will say Florida wasn’t that good anyway!”

Well,well,well….you fools should have listened to me.

For those of you that stated Pitt must play a great game…break the press….no turnovers…I applaud your insight.

For you stupid fools that said Florida is over rated…the SEC sucks….they aren’t that good…

I hope you enjoy the rest of the tourney…..

Comment by tallahassee panther 03.22.14 @ 1:17 pm

Does the basketball team have its own strength and conditioning coach or share with the football team? Robinson needs to get faster and somewhat explosive.

Comment by Pittastic 03.22.14 @ 1:17 pm

Great work by the freshman too! Our future looks bright

Comment by Gordo 03.22.14 @ 1:17 pm

UF 1 turnover all game.

Comment by Upittbaseball 03.22.14 @ 1:18 pm

why wouldn’t we start fouling early if this team is such a bad free throw shooting team ugh what a joke.

Comment by Nate_PittPanfan 03.22.14 @ 1:18 pm

Can someone confirm that Lamar Patterson was on the flight to Malaysia???

Comment by tallahassee panther 03.22.14 @ 1:18 pm

All things considered, this season was just about right.

Comment by Antiguafor200Alex 03.22.14 @ 1:19 pm

Hail 2 Pitt

Great season. Tough ending. Still proud of our guys and coach (even though my bracket is shot to hell).

Not intimidated. Just out played.

Thanks to all of you for some great BBall season chats.



Comment by Pitt Dad 03.22.14 @ 1:19 pm

Tallahssee – the ACC to me in this tourney has been embarrassed. Is anyone left after cuse chokes against Archie and the Flyers?

Comment by Upittbaseball 03.22.14 @ 1:19 pm

Didn’t like the way we just gave up at the end, you hit a couple 3’s, you’re only 9 down.

Comment by Emel 03.22.14 @ 1:20 pm

Not sure what else Jamie Dixon can do. How is this even the same team that came out and played against Colorado? They say all the right things, then come out and play the entire game hesitant, intimidated, and disinterested. The 2 seniors crumbled when we needed them most.

Comment by Hank the Tank 03.22.14 @ 1:21 pm

fu tallahassee…dont be calling ppl on here fools

Comment by Emel 03.22.14 @ 1:22 pm

Jamie did a great job with this team. We’ll all miss watching Lamar Paterson and Talib Zanna. I wish them the all the best. Scott Wilbekin just killed us down the stretch. Nothing to be ashamed about. Pitt hung in there during the first half, Florida’s defense just didn’t allow the Panthers to much offensively.

Comment by Justinian 03.22.14 @ 1:22 pm

which confirms you are no PITT person…

Comment by Emel 03.22.14 @ 1:22 pm

Any 13 seed would have beaten Florida today…this was the worst shooting performance from any team I’ve ever seen in the NCAA Tournament….and I’m 64 years old. Pathetic…

Artis and Newkirk are the only guys who looked they cared to play this game at all. Wright and JR flat out stunk. Will next year be any different?

Comment by Jackagain 03.22.14 @ 1:22 pm

I expected more effort from Pitt but Pitt was intimated from the start and just was not very good today. On the bright side, next season should be a better year for Pitt basketball. H2P!

Comment by MariettaMike 03.22.14 @ 1:23 pm

So Pitt played their best game of the season Thursday and won by 30. They abandoned that offense and decided to run down the shot clock and throw up a prayer on each possession.

22 points at the half and do they try the strategy that worked against Colorado? Of course not. Zero adjustments throughout the 2nd half.

For the 2nd straight year, Pitt is eliminated from the tournament with that strategy. Also in both years, Pitt had a center who scored on 5 of 7 shots but made no effort to get him the ball more often, preferring to miss outside shots all game.

Actually the last time Coach Dixon made changes in an NCAA tournament game at the half was against Butler, a game they led. Nothing on offense or defense.

Not saying UF isn’t the better team, but it really looked to me like Pitt came out expecting to lose by about ten, which is supported by the fact that they made no changes being down five at the half.

Comment by Brian 03.22.14 @ 1:24 pm

We could have been better but I don’t think we beat that team if we played them ten times.

Comment by gc 03.22.14 @ 1:25 pm

UF was simply the much better team

If Pitt is to get to the next level, they have to replace Wright and Robinson. These guys are great support people but to win in the NCAA, you need great guard play.

Comment by wbb 03.22.14 @ 1:26 pm

Will be interesting to see if JD starts Newkirk at the point next year. Not normally his M.O. I like JR off the bench…think he can be really effective in that role

Comment by Gordo 03.22.14 @ 1:26 pm

Upittbaseball you are such a troll. You only post negative things. I’m sure it’s fun being such a negative dude in life.

Pitt played the best team in the nation in essentially a road game. They hung tough for a while. Had good looks especially in the first half but couldn’t hit them. That’s what it came down to. If they hit those wide open looks in first half then it’s a whole different game.

Officials swallowed their whistles and allowed physical Florida play their game. Pitt needed a closely called game but got the opposite. Where the heck was that when Pitt was always the more physical team in early 2000s.

Comment by Wardapalooza 03.22.14 @ 1:26 pm

Men vs. boys today guys. Men vs. boys. I’m not disappointed – it kind of went down how I feared/thought it might. That Florida team is complete – they have all the pieces. We simply do not. If Adams sticks around, it might have been different, but we still need shooters regardless. Hopefully this is (yet another…) wake up call to JD that he needs to find guys who are truly dangerous beyond the arc. I like him but until he pulls his head out of his ass when it comes to recruiting, this scenario will repeat itself.

But overall… hats off to these guys. They gave us a nice run in the ACC tournament and a great win in the first round. I wasn’t expecting either of those things so I really can’t complain or be upset. And good luck to Florida moving forward.

Comment by thestumper 03.22.14 @ 1:27 pm

we held everyone on there team to single digits EXCEPT FOR THEIR GUARDS…31 points for their guards…we obviously need better guards.

Comment by Emel 03.22.14 @ 1:28 pm

thestumper, there are some serious shooters coming down the pipeline.

Comment by Gordo 03.22.14 @ 1:29 pm

the trolls ALWAYS show up when we lose……that is guaranteed !

Comment by Emel 03.22.14 @ 1:30 pm

starting with Ryan Luther…who will probably redshirt. Jetercan ball on offense as well.

Comment by Gordo 03.22.14 @ 1:30 pm

Damon Wilson is the next in line and is a tall PG who can do it all. If this is any indication of how he is regarded, Florida recruited and offered him

Comment by Gordo 03.22.14 @ 1:32 pm

And to tallahassee panther:

It’s called class. You might want to consider acquiring some.

Comment by thestumper 03.22.14 @ 1:32 pm

Great post by The Stumper. Very well thought out and reasonable

Emel dear??? Not so much

UPITT BASEBALL; Down year in the ACC and it has shown.

Comment by tallahassee panther 03.22.14 @ 1:33 pm

Really disappointing. Pitt didn’t put up much of a fight.

Comment by Boubacar Aw 03.22.14 @ 1:34 pm

Maverick Rowan might enroll early with the 2015 class and is an unconscious shooter. 2016 has 5 star Mustapha Heron who could be a top 10 national recruit when it’s all said in done. when that time comes we’re not going to look like we have less talent than anyone we play.

Comment by Gordo 03.22.14 @ 1:34 pm

I’m with @Wardap above. Just hit a couple of the open shots and everything changes.

@Talla ASS ee – get your stupid ass out of here. People like YOU deserve to NEVER have a winning team. @Upitt – you are close but I will still give you the benefit of the doubt. Your silence after the great first game though is telling. Can’t you enjoy anything?

Comment by TVax 03.22.14 @ 1:35 pm

@ tallahassee panther…any 12 seed would have beaten FLA today and beaten Pitt by 30 the way they played. Only one player was any good at on the floor, and that was Wilbiken.

FLA lost to Wisconsin & UConn and will lose to the first good team they play in the Tournament. That won’t happen until the Elite 8 though.

Comment by Jackagain 03.22.14 @ 1:37 pm

Well after all the injuries and such I thought SWeet 16 would be a very successful season. So we fell one game short of that. Might have made it playing a team with lesser PG than Florida and not as strong physically underneath. Would have liked to see something different thruout the game on defense to create some turnovers/transition opportunities. Donovan said Albany had used a Triangle & Two to slow down Wilbekin. We had no solutions ???

Comment by Emel 03.22.14 @ 1:38 pm

lol stumper…good call. I concur

Comment by Emel 03.22.14 @ 1:40 pm

sorry Tvax

Im here to stay

Comment by tallahassee panther 03.22.14 @ 1:41 pm

Brian, what don’t you understand about no transition baskets, FL does not turnover the ball.

Colorado was a turnover machine. I don’t think strategy had anything to do do with it. Wright and Robinson could not make a shot. When they went on a run, game over.

Patterson’s game looks like it is in slow motion against the guys today.

Florida is a top 5 team, we are a top thirty five team.

Jamie bashing or player bashing is not justified,
we were outplayed by a better team.

Lamar and Talib are two journeymen players that had a very good year and did Pitt Proud.

Our young guys learned today what it takes. Our freshmen all played very well, for freshmen. Really great experience for them.

Jackagain, you really get dark after a loss. Have another drink of your choice.

Comment by gc 03.22.14 @ 1:44 pm

Ok time to put BB to bed time for football posts hope some one like reed covers things down there this spring.
How are the QB looking the WR etc etc.
and as we say as far as BB went wait till next year.

Comment by Frankcan 03.22.14 @ 1:46 pm

@ gc….I wouldn’t be surprised if something was wrong with Lamar. He didn’t do anything after he got knee’d in the head. Which clearly hurt him.

Comment by Emel 03.22.14 @ 1:47 pm

lol frankie….football..yikes.

do we have to ?

Comment by Emel 03.22.14 @ 1:48 pm

No Pitt fan can be happy happy with that effort. Granted, the better, tougher team team won. But you have to put up more of a fight.

No alpha dogs on this team. Patterson is a really good player, so is Zanna. Robinson is just too limited athletically to compete at a national championship level. Cam Wright is tough, but doesn’t have the skill.

Newkirk, Artis and Young are the real deal. Hope Johnson gets healthy and is able to lead these guys next year.

Comment by Boubacar Aw 03.22.14 @ 1:50 pm

Emel, you might be right, he made one three and then went to sleep. I thought it was a dirty play. Looked like he put his full weight on the knee to the head. Their D was ferocious once they took the lead. A lot of steals and blocks from behind. You don’t see much of that. Got to have a lead and refs that cooperate.

The difference between our good game and bad games has been shooting percentage, all year. When Robinson and Wright are ice cold we don’t win.

No easy baskets for us today. Rebounding was not good enough and no steals.

Comment by gc 03.22.14 @ 1:56 pm

GC with a great,great post.

Colorado is weak inside. UNC is weak inside although Meeks will become a force starting next year.

Patric Young is a man….and simply a better low post player than Zanna.

I do give Zanna credit however for playing his senior year out of position….and yes, things would be different with Adams.

And for the fool above that said a 12 seed would beat Florida… would do the board a great service by packing it in and saying so long…..

Comment by tallahassee panther 03.22.14 @ 1:56 pm

right gc

That was something you’d see a cop do, on that show Cops. Don’t care if it was on purpose (if it was the Turd Gator should have been thrown out of game) or inadvertent. That should have been a foul, as Lamar is a star player and should be treated as such by the refs. Dirty play.

Comment by Emel 03.22.14 @ 1:59 pm

gc, I don’t mind a loss if it’s coupled with at least some effort…especially after how the guys shot off their mouths to reporters about Pittsburgh toughness. But that effort (cough) was embarrassing. No other way to put it for me.

If they could shoot the basketball half as good as they shoot off their mouths this game would have close at least. (@Patterson & Wright)

I agree Boubacar, but Dixon is in love with both Wright and JR…they can get him his annual 20-25 wins against the bum teams he lines up in the schedule. Next year will bring the same results.

Sadly I think we’ll need to wait until 2016 for any kind of Tournament run.

Comment by Jackagain 03.22.14 @ 2:00 pm

Talla-ass-ee….you really need to stop calling ppl …fools..on this site. We don’t treat each other like that on here.

You say you’re a Pitt person, prove it with some consideration for other Pitt ppl.

Comment by Emel 03.22.14 @ 2:02 pm

@Talla – you weren’t here often, so I am sure I won’t miss you much until next year’s trolling returns.

Let’s see, what was my plan? Win one means less drinking and think what we could have done differently. I think the differently part is obvious as Warda wrote above. Hit a couple of shots. Add to that, a CJ foul at the half, LP playing slightly more careful, JR hit a couple shots, Cam hit a couple shots(earlier), LP hit a couple of shots, Nuke hit a couple shots(other than a lucky bank shot that can’t even make you feel any more confident when followed by missed FT), have Cam guard Wilbekin rather than JR(too slow).

Does that cover it?

Still like others have said. Very happy with the year and looking forward to greater endings in Pitt’s future. It is always a very long off-season for me – not a big FB fan.

Comment by TVax 03.22.14 @ 2:02 pm

@gc – other teams/players get that call. Our star hits the deck and gets a wrestling move put on him – nothing.

Still, we were too cold today and couldn’t muscle up inside for the boards.

Disappointed in the outcome but not in the team.


Comment by Pitt Dad 03.22.14 @ 2:05 pm

One other comment, thought our rebounding wasn’t effort or size or talent, just seemed many of the not so great shots by Florida ended up bouncing hard out away from the rim and Florida was a bit luckier on several of those. Is that just my biased eye seeing it that way?

Comment by TVax 03.22.14 @ 2:09 pm

Oh yeah, and are you allowed 2 or 3 steps before you put up a shot in college ball?

Comment by TVax 03.22.14 @ 2:11 pm

@ TVax

On the rebounding it seemed Pitt players were content to watch UF players rebound. Too much standing and watching. They were much physically stronger than us underneath, could have caused Pitt’s players to be hesitant. My take anyway.

Comment by Emel 03.22.14 @ 2:15 pm

another ugly game here…UL-St. Louis…11-4 midway thru 1rst half.

Comment by Emel 03.22.14 @ 2:17 pm

Buzz Williams gets hired at VT. Curley comes to the ACC…should be fun…

Comment by Jackagain 03.22.14 @ 2:21 pm

the 4 spot had 4 total rebounds…1 for Young and 3 for Artis. need to hit the weight room

Comment by Emel 03.22.14 @ 2:24 pm

Commentator says they have an UGLY one “to start” with Louisville/StLouis at 14-9……..with 5 MIN LEFT IN THE FIRST HALF!!!

What the hell is going on at that arena?

Comment by TVax 03.22.14 @ 2:31 pm

obviously FL had a better BB team than FB but Pitt played too cautiously today

Comment by Frank 03.22.14 @ 2:31 pm

For anyone in attendance, did anyone from Pitt make a shot other than a lay-up during warm-ups?

Comment by TVax 03.22.14 @ 2:33 pm

“Good is the enemy of great.”

Under Dixon, Pitt will always be good. He is really good at taking decent players and turning them into a very competitive team.

But anyone who thinks he has Pitt on an inevitable run to a final four is INSANE. He will never bring in or develop the necessary talent and will never be the tactician needed to be great.

We have had 10 years of really good. But I have seen no evidence of great.

I would love to be wrong, if you disagree present your case…….

Comment by Boubacar Aw 03.22.14 @ 2:37 pm

we had 22 points at halftime….with 9:38 to play we had 27 points. 5 pts scored in almost 11 minutes of play. that was the game right there.

don’t know what halftime adjustments were made, but whatever they were they didn’t work.

Comment by Emel 03.22.14 @ 2:39 pm

those long scoring droughts or near droughts seem to be a conastant theme on most Pitt teams sans the 2008-2009 team. easy solution, if you can’t outcoach em, you need to out recruit em. need better players, not transfers from rutgers or vandy or projects like Dorsell.

Comment by Emel 03.22.14 @ 2:43 pm

^constant theme ^

Comment by Emel 03.22.14 @ 2:44 pm

did we just get dissed by Little Ricky ???

Comment by Emel 03.22.14 @ 2:49 pm

What’s the latest on Mostella ???

Need divine intervention on this one perhaps.

Comment by Emel 03.22.14 @ 2:50 pm

Here’s the adjustment – Dixon said to make 45% of your wide OPEN shots and 30% of the contested ones. Nobody listened to him. Florida is obviously good defensively, but they weren’t perfect. We just weren’t even near good.

Comment by TVax 03.22.14 @ 2:52 pm

Can Cam’s role be tutoring Mostella starting tomorrow.

Comment by TVax 03.22.14 @ 2:53 pm

H2P, come good days and bad.

Comment by Shawn 03.22.14 @ 2:55 pm

Tallahassee, 2 questions

1. where have you been all year?

2. this is a Pitt blog …. after a dominating win on Thursday, did you really expect the majority of posters here singing the praises of another team? (and even then, I didn’t see much disrespect at all towards the Gators)

Comment by wbb 03.22.14 @ 3:03 pm

If we had a starting backcourt of Newkirk & Mostella next year. I’d be excited. Sure they’d make more turnovers & such but by March Pitt would be a much much better team and much more of a threat in the Dance. Sorry but Robinson & Wright don’t do much for my excitement to see next year come.

Comment by Emel 03.22.14 @ 3:04 pm


As of now, I wouldn’t count on Mostella … but who knows?

Comment by wbb 03.22.14 @ 3:33 pm

Emel – You’re right but I’d be surprised if Dixon did something like that. He’s too loyal to upper classmen.

Comment by Pittastic 03.22.14 @ 3:33 pm

Overall this was a pretty good year. This team got about as far as most of us thought they could.

My concern is more of where this program is. I don’t want to be unrealistic or ungrateful. I just can’t help feeling this program is a bit stagnant right now. 5 years without a sweet 16. I guess I am just a bit frustrated.

I have said before there are limitations, or at least I think on how far the football program can ascend. I don’t see that with basketball. I think this program can win a national championship.

Hopefully a couple of kids we have verbals from end up here and we land some of the other big fish out there. Eubanks to Baylor still hurts.

Best of luck to Zanna and Patterson in wherever their paths take them. To the guys coming back, especially Newkirk, Young, and Artis, the off season starts tomorrow. These 3 kids have high ceilings. May see some improvement with Wright and Robinson with another year under their belt, but I think you kind of know what you have in them. Sheldon Jeter can be big next year.

Hail to Pitt!!!!

Comment by Pap76 03.22.14 @ 3:37 pm

Wright had a very bad day today, he averaged around 12 points this year. If he makes that 17 next year he will be very valuable.

Robinson needs to work on his quickness to the hoop, not sure if he will get better.

Newkirk will get better, and take more minutes from both of them.

I’m afraid Mostella is a pipe dream, too bad.

Comment by gc 03.22.14 @ 3:38 pm

gc, saying our guards shot poorly isn’t bashing players. It’s coaching. It became clear at some point that Zanna was the only player who was a good bet to score today, so the coaches should have seen that and altered their strategy to get him the ball more. Especially since Zanna had also carried them through about the last five games, consistently shooting well. Getting the ball inside also opens up better outside shots.

I’m not saying at all that they could have achieved the same result as Colorado. Yeah you’re not going to be able to score so much in transition. But it certainly would help to not be taking so many outside shots with 1, 2 seconds left on the shot clock. Florida was running a full-court press and their defense had more time to get set in the halfcourt than Pitt’s. It’s OK to use the whole shot clock if you’re actually using it. Too often Pitt was simply letting it run down.

In the end I just don’t see how it’s OK to score 22 points in a half, then figure doing the exact same thing will work in the second half. I think a coach can fairly be criticized for that.

Comment by Brian 03.22.14 @ 3:41 pm

As much as we need quickness and shooting from our new guards next year, what we really need are strong and tall post players

Zinnia gave more than any of us could expect. Ditto Patterson.

JR will never be much better and Wright is offensively challanged every game. I think Jamie got all he could out of this team. And maybe more! H2P!!

Comment by Dan 72 03.22.14 @ 3:43 pm

Maybe Chris Jones will play a lot better after hand surgery.

Comment by Pittastic 03.22.14 @ 3:44 pm

Sheldon Jeter, DJ and Mr Jones have to contribute, along with Young and Artis, we should have a good year.

You need All-Americans to compete at the highest level. Don’t see any of those in the immediate future.

Still happy with what we have and what we have achieved.

Comment by gc 03.22.14 @ 3:47 pm

Dont get me wrong it was a good season and next year it will be good but you know how it will go all ready next year we win 24 or 23 games go to NCAA win one game lose the second game.
that is what we do and that is not bad but if you want more you must wait for 2015 and 2016 when the really good players come to pitt.
untill then it will be as it all ways is becuse we dont have the great players that the outhers do
we wont have great recruits till then if they come we will be ok.

Comment by Frankcan 03.22.14 @ 3:48 pm

Brian, the refs were letting the FL bigs camp out underneath, Zanna did not have much space. I don’t think they were not trying to get him the ball.

Comment by gc 03.22.14 @ 3:51 pm

Don’t think one can work on quickness. You either got it or you don’t.

Newkirk has it, which is why he can get to the hoop a lot easier.

Nuke showed much improvement with more minutes, scored 20 points in that one game(NC State), which was more than JR scored in one game in all 36 games. And more than Wright scored in one game in 35 games.

If Newkirk isn’t starting next year, knowing the limitations of the other two guards, something is wrong.

Comment by Emel 03.22.14 @ 3:51 pm

Dan72 we dont have any new guards next year not till 2015 and 2016,

Comment by Frankcan 03.22.14 @ 3:52 pm

FWIW, I think Dan Bonner (Pgh native) is a pretty good color announcer

Pap76, Both Zanna and Patterson are Pitt graduates and been great representatives. I also think their basketball days may not be over … maybe in Europe.

Comment by wbb 03.22.14 @ 3:53 pm

I actually thought that despite the brutality of their play, Pitt still had a shot in this game when Zanna’s lay up made it 49-41 with 5:30 left.

Then Wilbekin took over. In a distilled manner, that was the difference in this game. Florida has a Wilbekin, a guy who can take over when necessary, Pitt does not.

There’s a lot of blame to go around; nobody played well and Jamie didn’t do anything to make Florida uncomfortable or change the dynamic.

But Pitt just lost a road game to what is likely the best team in the country. We all hoped for a Cinderella story (well, most of us) but we knew when the brackets were announced this is where the season would likely end.

Comment by Iron Duke 03.22.14 @ 3:55 pm

We have 8 months to debate the direction of the program. God bless you guys for getting into it today. I just don’t have the energy.

Comment by Iron Duke 03.22.14 @ 4:00 pm

Albany played a Triangle & 2 and held Wilbekin to 10 points.

You would think with Pitt having better athletes than Albany, we’d be able to try something in addition to the man to man defense to try and limit Wilbekin’s impact on the game. Double team him, Triangle & 2, Diamond & 1, go to a Zone to limit his penetration, etc. At least try something different. They were constantly easily getting into the lane, from any angle on the court.

Like Brian said, I don’t think saying so, is to critical of the coaching. Coach does a good job, with what he’s got. Of course he’s responsible with what he’s got. And if you know you don’t have the firepower, you need to try different tactics to overcome whatever disadvantage you have.

Comment by Emel 03.22.14 @ 4:00 pm

and Iron Duke, we then had the ball down 8 after that, then….

@Brian, getting it to Zanna when your shooters outside have hit nothing to spread the floor is difficult. Our shooting, which has been weak, really needed to be at least above average by someone. If Cam or JR hit a couple, Florida can’t defend LP only and the defense can’t sag which both stops passes to Zanna and anyone’s ability to drive to the basket.

DJ going down became our Achilles when no one else could fill his shoes consistently.

Comment by TVax 03.22.14 @ 4:11 pm

JD needed to make changes at the half – little but none were made. He blamed himself for the lose but that does not help the players get better if he makes no adjustments. This was a chance to let it all hang out and we did not.

Comment by Frank 03.22.14 @ 4:11 pm

As Emel says, if Nuke isn’t starting next year, something is wrong. JR will improve but will his shooting ever be enough? Cam will improve, but again shooting probably just average? DJ will be healthy and should be the 2 with MY and DA. Randall’s gonna have to surprise me to be anything more that a bit player.

More later – church calls.

Comment by TVax 03.22.14 @ 4:20 pm

Good summation Iron Duke.

Most of us thought at the time of the bracket being announced, we’d be out at this time. After all they were the #1 seed overall.

Then after the way we routed Colorado, and set a NCAA record for a 9 beating a 8 (of course CBS didn’t say anything about that during the course of the game), it gave many of us more than hope that we could win this game. Coach spoke of the team playing the best it did all season, the last couple weeks and UF didn’t look great beating a 16 seed with 15 losses.

And really the game might have been there for the taking had we made them a just a tad uncomfortable in front of their crowd. So that possibly they might feel some pressure, as they did’t shoot great anyway, only 25% from 3 (5 for 20). A zone might have worked great, to stop the dribble penetration and let them take outside shots.

As you can tell from my posts, I was extremely disappointed that after the aggressive double teaming/trapping defense we displayed just the previous game against CU, that produced 17 turnovers. We were content just to sit back in our ‘base’ defense, possession after possession.
Even with only 2:38 left in the game, trailing by 10 points.

That more than anything is what frustrates me.

Comment by Emel 03.22.14 @ 4:25 pm

This year Florida was better than Pitt. It really is as simple as that. Next year will be fine. I hope the starting 5 will be:

PG: Newkirk
SG: Cam
PF: Artis
SF: Jeter
C: Young

6th man: Durand – I like the spark off the bench

Patterson faded down the stretch this year and I don’t think he’ll be missed as much as people think. As good as he was, he never quite became as good as Wanamaker. People will argue that but Wanamaker didn’t fade when the competition rose.

Zanna may be missed a little more but he wasn’t a true 5 and it doesn’t look like Pitt will have a true 5 for the next couple of years.

I’m probably in the minority but I also think Cam makes another leap forward as the true leader of the team next year. He has the work ethic so I expect even better play next year.

The team disappointed the last 6 weeks but they exceeded my expectations. I also think next year’s team will be even better so I’m excited. If Mostella can miraculously qualify – watch out.

Comment by Tossing Thabeets 03.22.14 @ 4:34 pm

Yes there wasn’t a lot of space inside, but also more space on the court could have been created if there had been more ball movement throughout the shot clock on offense. I thought for the most part they looked to keep the ball on the perimeter for the first :25 of the clock. Starting with a little under 10 minutes to go, they played with a bit more urgency and the offense performed noticeably better. Unfortunately the defense declined at the same time.

Using the whole shot clock also hurts the chances of offensive rebounds because the defense knows a shot is coming and they have to get in position.

Now if I’m an Albany alum, absolutely I’d say we lost to a better team in Florida, but we were in it for most of the game so that was a good showing. The standard for Pitt should be that it’s not acceptable to get blown out by anyone.

In the end, yeah I’ll agree, this is exactly how far I would have guessed this team would go. It’s not a disgraceful season or anything. This game and the way it played out is still a disappointment.

Comment by Brian 03.22.14 @ 4:37 pm

Tossing, the lineup you listed would probably be the best offensive one Pitt could put on the floor but not sure that it could defend down low. I expect Young to be healthier and better but there I no substitute for being 6’10

Comment by wbb 03.22.14 @ 5:24 pm

For me, Pitt lost the game in the first half with 5.2 seconds left on the clock and down by two. With fouls to give, they didn’t foul and Florida had time for a three pointer. Pitt went down five but most important they were not thinking and Florida’s players knew they had Pitt on the mat.

I still contend Pitt did not deserve to be a 9 seed but it’s all academic now. Next year should be a very interesting year for Pitt basketball. Hail to Pitt!

Comment by MariettaMike 03.22.14 @ 5:32 pm

just heard an interesting sound bite from michigan/texas game that really hits home: “it is ridiculous how well michigan has shot it from outside tonight”. said dick groat about pitt….never.

i’m all for building your program on playing great defense and rebounding well but until jamie starts recruiting a 4 or 5 star slasher/scorer who can create his own shot and a guard that will consistently hit 50% from 3 pt range(even if he’s slow and not terribly athletic) pitt’s never going to get to a final 4.

Comment by scott 03.22.14 @ 5:45 pm

Every year we say next year. Gotta love hope and the thrill of next year. The team had a good season but its March and Dixon is out of the tourney in the 2nd round yes again. I sure hope sooner than later he can do something in late March.

Comment by Upittbaseball 03.22.14 @ 5:45 pm

4 FL players were SRs who worked their way up. We had a nice mix of players but missed DJ and consistent 3 shot shooters. Next year we need a post player and a 3 shooter. I think the 3 ball has hurt us unless Lamar went off outside. Rbs must be more consistent against a big post man. JR must be a 3 shooter next year.

Comment by Frank 03.22.14 @ 5:57 pm

wbb – trust me, I know. That team would be defensively challenged to say the least and very unlikely to be the actual lineup starting a game. In reality, it’ll most likely be:


Comment by Tossing Thabeets 03.22.14 @ 5:57 pm

Upittbaseball – how many schools can even say “next year”? Not many. Let alone expect to compete for a championship every year. Hell – Coach K just went out in round one to a 15 seed. It’s not easy. It’s a combination of skill, luck and match ups. This team lost to every top 15 team they played until UNC in the ACC tourney. To expect to beat a senior laden Florida team was unrealistic in hind site. People are complaining about half time adjustments but this was really just Pitt running into a better team.

Comment by Tossing Thabeets 03.22.14 @ 6:02 pm

Just for fun, I decided to see how old transfer Malcolm Gilbert has faired and whether Pitt regrets that move … not so much:

link to

Comment by Tossing Thabeets 03.22.14 @ 6:06 pm

Thabeat, i don’t disagree, but the enemy of great is good. More of the same from Dixon. Archie will beat Cuse tonight. He is on the rise. If we are satisfied with 1st and 2nd round then thats all we will achieve in my opinion.

Comment by Upittbaseball 03.22.14 @ 6:07 pm

Thabeat, most of those same schools arent paying 2M a year to the coach buddy.

Comment by Upittbaseball 03.22.14 @ 6:08 pm

Next year will be interesting. So much more depth.

I also think the starting lineup should change depending on the match-ups.

We could be a really up-tempo team with Newkirk, Cam, DJ, Artis and Young.

Practices will be very interesting because the second team just may be able to beat the first team no matter how they are split.

UPitt is right, until we get a real star or two, we will continue to be very good but not great.

I can live with that with the hope that some day a Mostella or a Rowan like player will show up, or an Adams or Blair will stay that one more year, when it counts the most.

Comment by gc 03.22.14 @ 6:15 pm

Pitt BB’s new team song…

link to

Comment by Jackagain 03.22.14 @ 6:17 pm

Miller Time!!!! Archie people! He recruited studs to that shitty conf imagine what he could do back in the ACC.

Comment by Upittbaseball 03.22.14 @ 6:26 pm

Rowan is actually a Junior his parents held him back a year. He could reclassify and be at Pitt in 2015 provided he has the grades. Jamie and the Pitt staff should do everything possible to make that happen. High priced tutors could make a difference.

Comment by Chick 03.22.14 @ 6:30 pm

Tossing…I like your lineups but I would prefer Durand starting and Cam coming off the bench. He’s a high energy guy too, but he can’t shoot, and never will…

Comment by Jackagain 03.22.14 @ 6:30 pm

Not hard to understand today’s outcome, Florida has more talent. This Panther team certainly exceeded my expectations for it’s first ACC season! Thank you to the seniors, who can hold their heads high both academically and athletically! Best wishes in all your future endeavors.
Next year’s team certainly holds promise, but many questions, such as DJ’s recovery, our freshmen class improving as sophomores, what can we expect from Haughton and Jeter, how much senior leadership can we expect from Wright and Randall, can JR become an effective offensive threat in any way???
Thanks to many of the posters on this blog. The time some of you put into your basketball posts, sharing information, making legit critiques, is appreciated. Hail to Pitt and the amazing academic and athletic institution it has become! Hope to kick back and enjoy a few Panther baseball games live! Go Panthers! UPone

Comment by UPone 03.22.14 @ 6:34 pm

Here’s a guy Pitt should go after since Curley decided to jump to VT

link to

Comment by Jackagain 03.22.14 @ 6:36 pm

Love that song Jackagain, listened to the Albert King and Stevie Ray Vaughn version, then John Mayer with Gary Clark Jr. and Booker T Jones. Had not heard them before. Thank you.

Booker T and the MG’s was the first live act I ever saw, circa 1966. Steve Cropper and Duck Dunne, not a bad way to start.

Comment by gc 03.22.14 @ 6:37 pm

Speaking of Booker T and the MG’s if you are ever in Memphis, gotta check out the Stax Records Museum. It’s a bit out of the way, but its definitely worth the cab ride. Really enjoyed it.

Comment by Iron Duke 03.22.14 @ 6:51 pm

Have to put that on the list Iron Duke, made it to the Smokies last year, but that was as far as we got.

Saw a history of Stax and had a few singles back in the day. Aretha, Otis Redding, Sam and Dave.

Comment by gc 03.22.14 @ 6:55 pm

If you are feeling badly about Pitt’s offensive performance today, just turn on the Syracuse game. They make us look like UNLV circa 1990.

Comment by Iron Duke 03.22.14 @ 7:00 pm

Upittbaseball – Dixon was 19th highest paid Head Coach in 2013 which by your standards would make Pitt the 19th best program which is far outside of Final 4 and National Title hopes. Pitt’s a program that will have Final 4 potential a couple times a decade. The program is built for the long haul. With Pitt you’ll aways have to be patient. This team lost was not top 10 potential this year. I don’t think they were far off but when you lose to every top 15 team you face, it gives you perspective about the current state of the team. Next year will be similar but in two years there are some big time recruited teamed with some very experienced veterans. The team is very primed to be very good in just another year or so.

Comment by Tossing Thabeets 03.22.14 @ 7:15 pm

Tossing but by your standards we should already have been in a final four. That never happened.

Comment by Upittbaseball 03.22.14 @ 7:41 pm

Upitt, I agree Archie is doing a nice job but to say he is recruiting studs to that crap school is a little much. First Dayton has been a solid basketball program forever, second the score is in the twenties in the second half. Not exactly lighting anything up. On a larger scale I gave up commenting on this years team after the stretch of overtime games. I was rough on Zanna and Wright and figured it was time to lighten up. Disappointed in todays result but not surprised, not enough athletes out front not tough enough down low. It really does help to have quality seniors. Lastly, if we know Jamie and his loyalty, Cam and JR will be in the starting lineup next year. If they don’t significantly improve other three will need to be incredible.

Comment by cas myzlinski 03.22.14 @ 7:42 pm

Dayton’s campus is in the Oakwood section of Dayton, a nice area it’s not a crap school, take a look at Dayton’s basketball tradition, Miller can recruit he is an up and coming star in the coaching ranks. Syracuse will win they have superior talent and a great coach who let’s his players play.

Comment by WLAT and the Big Beat!! 03.22.14 @ 7:54 pm

Upittbaseball – they were 1 second from a Final 4. That was their shot. They missed it. In two years, the team will have Final 4 talent again. All you can do is hope they take advantage of it. In a one and done tourney though anything can happen. And the best thing about sports is that there is always next year.

Comment by Tossing Thabeets 03.22.14 @ 7:54 pm

Tossing…then that’s potential for one Final Four every 15-20 years, not 2 in 10, which sounds about right for Dixon.

Comment by Jackagain 03.22.14 @ 8:09 pm

After the “mid-season slump” and injuries, I was still hopeful for the team. Then, after the home losses to Fla St. and NC St. I was crest fallen.

The ACC touney and the UC were a glimpse of what Pitt BB could have been with all the parts healthy during the season.

After the season Pitt had, a tough match-up with a senior laden Fla team was what you get in the second round.

All things considered, we should not be deflated or discouraged. The wonderful thing with college sports is that there is “next season”, with new faces, renewed spirit and optimism.

With Haughton and Jeter (I expect both will start), and all of the returning players, don’t be surprised if Pitt is better next year. Let’s hope Newkirk EARNS more of Robinson’s minutes and Durand heals quickly to compete for Wright’s time. Young and Uchebo could use the off -season to heal, too.

And hopefully, after the last two seasons of defections and injuries, Pitt will have a couple red-shirts (Doorson and Luther) so that there may be better continuity going forward.

Comment by xfmrman 03.22.14 @ 8:09 pm

Hire Archie before a ACC school gets him or he heads back to Raleigh with the Wolfpack. He is a damn fine coach and recruits. Would need an AD with a pulse for that to happen.

Comment by Upittbaseball 03.22.14 @ 8:18 pm

Syracuse has gotten worse as the season went on. Pitt got better and played really well in the ACC tournament. They could very well have been in the final if they gotten a call or two. Just think what you expected coming into this year. I believe all of us would have admit that they exceeded our expectations. They over-came the loss of their best 3 point shooter for the season and injuries to Lamar Patterson and Talib Zanna. And they got better. They couldn’t match up with Florida.

Comment by Justinian 03.22.14 @ 8:20 pm

Justian, Pitt in Final Four or Syracuse?

Comment by Upittbaseball 03.22.14 @ 8:21 pm

Congrats to the team – I know this was deflating for them (Lamar’s shoulders slumped as he missed a late three, it was obvious) but they ran into a buzz saw YET AGAIN!

So I’m going out on a limb and saying that once again, Pitt loses to the Final 4 team from their side of the bracket.

Florida’s defense was astounding, and Patrick Young owned the inside. Not much you can do about that.

Everyone, the plan was for Chris Jones to foul before halftime. He tried, but credit that annoying Wilbekin for successfully running away from the foul.

No injuries this year, maybe Pitt gets better seeding. I think this team will be better next year.

Comment by KeyboardKev 03.22.14 @ 8:23 pm

And… repeat miracle for Ennis. Dayton wins.

Comment by KeyboardKev 03.22.14 @ 8:27 pm

Ennis’ luck just ran out. Terrible shooting by Syracuse.

Comment by gc 03.22.14 @ 8:28 pm

I would have been very pissed if a Pitt player had done what Ennis just did. He had the drive to the rim to tie it(and maybe get fouled) but chose to be selfish and be the hero.

Comment by TVax 03.22.14 @ 8:30 pm

Tyler Ennis missed two good looks to win the game. But he hits a running 35 footer to beat Pitt. Must mean Archie Miller is a better coach.

I must admit, like I posted Thursday, if Dixon gets hit by a bus, Archie would look pretty good on Pitt’s bench.

Comment by Boubacar Aw 03.22.14 @ 8:30 pm

Proud of Archie and what he accomplished. And to think we use to do keg stands with him back on Oakland Ave when he would come to visit. LOL.

Comment by Upittbaseball 03.22.14 @ 8:31 pm

Syracuse loses to Dayton! Oh well, Ennis had a much better look than he did on the 40 footer he hit against the Panthers at the Pete. I would rather lose No. 1 seeded Florida than to Dayton.

Comment by Justinian 03.22.14 @ 8:34 pm

Some Pitt irony to end a long day. We started off the football season losing badly to the eventual National Champs FSU and we ended the BBall season losing badly to the eventual Champs in basketball Florida. Long way to go.

Comment by Dan 72 03.22.14 @ 8:49 pm

I leave with this quote from Zeise’s blog:

I’ll leave you with this quote from Louisville coach Rick Pitino (Louisville was here in this Orlando pod as well even though they are in a different region) after his team beat defensive-minded St. Louis today and I think it speaks volumes about some common misconceptions about college basketball:

“The NCAA [Tournament] the one thing I’ve known throughout the years being in this business, is people get very conservative and they talk about — I’ve always felt — you hear the expression defense wins championships,” Pitino said. “But a lack of offense keeps you from winning a championship. All these teams can guard. And it is really, really important – we beat Michigan and Wichita State [in last year’s Final Four] and the teams before that because of our offense. We didn’t win because of our defense. Every team can play defense at this stage, so you’ve got to have great offense to win and you’ve got to really execute and make free throws, do smart things.”

link to

Dixon take notice from a much better coach…

Comment by Jackagain 03.22.14 @ 10:25 pm

Seems to me that it’s much worse to be a Cuse fan right now. Lose in their first ACC tourney game and then lose to a lower seed in the NCAA tourney.

Look at the box score, Florida played just enough better than us to win. They didn’t play great. It wasn’t a blowout. Their point guard had a great game. That’s it. And they were the overall Number 1 Seed. Not an 11 seed.

Proud of our guys. Good luck to Talib and Lamar.

Looking forward to next season.


Comment by Pitt Dad 03.22.14 @ 10:26 pm

Pitt Dad – i agree but if UF hit a few shots they would of won by 30. We were bad plain and simple. Pitino is right we need offense. Hope you are well buddy.

Comment by Upittbaseball 03.22.14 @ 10:40 pm

Please someone tell me that Robinson is good. All I saw today were missed shots and hesitation on his part.

Let’s face it. The ACC is no former Big East.

It’s been an entertaining season. Painful at times but first win over NC in a long while and Dixon’s first win over a higher seeded team.

The non-con improves next year with the Maui Invitational.

Comment by TonyinHouston 03.22.14 @ 10:43 pm

How come we cant recruit anyone that could carry Napiers jock? He shoots lights out.

Comment by Upittbaseball 03.22.14 @ 10:49 pm


Yes Archie Miller has done a good job at Dayton. He may very well be one of the best young coaches in the country.

Tell me how you fire Jamie Dixon? Come on man. When Jamie decided last year to not pursue the USC or any other job and got a 10 yr extension, that pretty much solidified he’s not going anywhere.

Dixon frustrates me at times. I keep coming back to the word stagnant, as to where this program is.

But Jamie is the guy moving forward, and we could have it a lot worse…

Hail to Pitt!

Comment by Pap76 03.22.14 @ 10:52 pm

I wouldnt have lost sleep Pap if Dixon left. I would have been concerned with Pederson making a new hire. Haha. Pap we know what we have with Dixon. If you have a nice reliable car in your driveway that gets you from A to B and occasionally looks good would you trade that in for the potential at a Range Rover? I would it. I wouldnt fire Dixon. I just Never would have extended him 10 years for his past 5 year tourney failures.

Comment by Upittbaseball 03.22.14 @ 10:59 pm


I know last year, and it almost felt blasphemous, but me and my old man both said maybe it wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world if Jamie moved on.

I’m 37 yrs old so i remember well the decade break we took from going to the tournament. so in that regard, we are lucky with what we have.

What drives me nuts is 10 years in, how is our starting backcourt James Robinson and Cam Wright? Both seem like fine young men, but sorry, that backcourt is not taking you to the promised land…

Comment by Pap76 03.22.14 @ 11:15 pm

Pap Im your age and I agree completely. How cant we recruit stud guards???? Have a good one. .

Comment by Upittbaseball 03.22.14 @ 11:35 pm

fist off…I owe this to JD…CONGRATS FOR FINALLY BEATING A HIGHER SEED IN THE TOURNY..(even if It was against a bad Colorado team..not sure how thy didn’t avoid the play in game)

so…it was interesting sitting back and reading the blog since last sunday…and I’m not sure that ALOT of you are capable of getting out of the “Pitt bubble” that you live in..

Here are some examples of what I mean:

1. A lot of you were appauled with the #9 seed that we EARNED….did you know that PSU and ONE more quality win than us??..not sure why some of you were upset with the seeding

2. The win against the BUFFS…we blew them out..cuz we SHOULD HAVE!!…This team was a shell of itself and was never the same after there best player went down to an injury…but reading the posts after the game you would have thought we we’re an elite team..or that we beat Kansas or Kentucky!!..

3. The loss to Florida…which was a situation for a lot of you…if we win it would have been great…if we loss..we should have..cuz it’s Florida and we should have lost….listen..we were given every opportunity to come back and maybe even win the game…if Florida hits there open shots..we lose by 30!!..What happened to our offense after about the 12 minute mark?…our offense ALWAYS seems to go to crap at some point in the game…even the commentators were saying that our offense was bad.

4. last but not least…YOUR beloved coach..JD..He has been and will continue to be my biggest concern….do you know it took him 11 years to beat a higher seeded team in the tourney…It took a coach like Archie Mille just TWO years to win TWICE as many games over higher seeded teams

I totally understand that JD is gonna be our coach for along time..cuz we have the most gutless AD in college sports!! what do I do??…I guess I hope we fall into a final four one of these days…but the window has been closing the last three years..I just hope it doesn’t shut on us..h2p!!!

Comment by Keith 03.23.14 @ 12:00 am

and…I’m just reading the quotes from the press conference…and JD said “We just didn’t get it done..and I take full responsibility for that”…that the is the FIRS TIME EVER..I’ve heard him say that…so maybe he’s recognizing that he needs to get better as a coach…let’s hope so!!…h2p!

Comment by Keith 03.23.14 @ 12:12 am

What Jamie was doing was protecting the confidence of his young team going into next year. What he should have said is, Florida got to all the loose balls, Florida beat his team on the boards and Florida hit the shots when they needed them.

Candidly, Pitt had an opportunity to tighten the noose on three possessions in the second half to get the lead down to six. Unfortunately, we had a missed jumper and back to back turnovers. That was the difference. This was the first time in a long time that Lamar looked beat from the start. He didn’t “bleed” for his teammates today and his teammates did not “bleed” for him. That is how Florida talks. They talk about “bleeding” for their teammates.

Some of you might like Archie Miller and other Cinderella coaches but I will tell you why that thinking is flawed. Basketball players beat athletes. The lower seeds from smaller schools get the basketball players that can’t jump through the roof. The big conference players get the athletes with basketball tendencies. The best teams get one and sometimes two basketball players on their squad and fill out the rest with super athletes. We saw that today. We saw it with Duke, but didn’t take their basketball player away from them. I am sad to report that Pitt does not have basketball players on their team. They have athletes that play different basketball positions. The basketball players are hopefully coming. Basketball players understand the importance of foul shots and actually make most of them. Basketball players understand and exploit their opponents weaknesses without being told by a coach and then expected to understand it and apply it after a timeout. Basketball players just know!!!Pure shooters with basketball IQ. I believe Pitt is heading in that direction and I am excited if we can lock down some of the kids that want to come here. If the thought process sounds familiar, it is what Paul Chryst is doing with the recruitment of football players.

Great season boys! No need to hang your heads.

@ Upitt and others – A new coach is not the solution. The Cinderella teams have basketball players, not 4-5 star guys. Don’t fall prey to the backward thinking that a coaching change solves this dilemma. It’s not the coach. It’s the talent mix. Just ask Ohio State. Beilein gets the need for a mix. I think the lightbulb has gone off for JD. STUDY the successful programs.

Comment by dhuffdaddy 03.23.14 @ 12:45 am

Finally got around to watching the ESPN 30 for 30 ” Requiem for The Big East”. definitely worth the watch.

Not much focus on Pitt, more so on the beginnings, and leading up to the 85 Final Four with 3 Big East teams.

I was only 8, kind of remember that Final Four. 87, keith Smart’s baseline J to beat Syracuse is 1st I remember watching start to finish.

Anyway anyone out there looking for a good watch, check it out.

Hail to Pitt!!!!

Comment by Pap76 03.23.14 @ 1:09 am

i had forgot Dave Gavitt passed away that same Saturday Pitt and Syracuse officially accepted an invitation to join the ACC.

I know it was a Saturday. Pitt was playing Iowa, Todd Graham refused to take the air out of the ball and with a lead continue to run a play every 10 seconds, and we lost.

Remember it going across the bottom line on ESPN that Pitt and Syracuse joining the ACC.

Funny Dave Gavitt passed away that day, after over 30 years, the Big East officially died that day too…

Comment by Pap76 03.23.14 @ 1:48 am

Duff – dixon is the CEO of the team. Isnt he to blame for the talent he brings to Pitt or lack there of as pure basketball guys? I like Archie bc he is the right mix of coach, recruiter, let them play. Dixon is a micromanager who appears to want to overcontrol everything. The games and the kids look like they are in pain playing for him.

Comment by Upittbaseball 03.23.14 @ 6:57 am

Dixon on seniors Larmar Paterson and Talib Zanna.

“You hope guys get better, the did. You hope they graduate, they did. You hope the play in a lot of games and win a lot of games, they did. And you hope they represent your university in a positive manner and at the end of the day, they have done a lot of things right for our university and people respect them and recognize them as true student athletes.”

Comment by Justinian 03.23.14 @ 7:06 am

In retrospect, this Florida team was much better defensively than I thought they would be. They completely took away Pitt’s inside game. As we all know, this year’s Panthers are not a good 3 point shooting team.

Comment by Justinian 03.23.14 @ 7:20 am

a few notes:

– despite my criticism of JD< I'm glad he's our coach for the foreseeable future
– the foreseeable future seems bright with the current underclassmen and future commits
– despite Pitino's comments above about the value of offense, his teams certainly don't play that way. Yesterday, Louisville scored mostly on turning over the Bilikens' offense.
– however, another key for them the last 2 years is having a point guard who can break down an offense when needed …. JD, please take note!

Comment by wbb 03.23.14 @ 7:20 am

I agree that Archie Miller will be a really good coach for a long time …. but would opinions on this site change if Ennis doesn’t make a 40 footer 6 weeks ago, but makes a 20 footer last night?

Comment by wbb 03.23.14 @ 7:26 am

one final thing … New Castle which is finally dropping its basketball status to 3A next year, went undefeated 31-0 and won AAAA title. More impressively, they beat 2 Philadelphia schools to win it … pretty good accomplishment

Seton-LaSalle AA lost at buzzer and, of course, Lincoln Park won it all. LP is a charter school and beat another Philly charter school for the title.

Comment by wbb 03.23.14 @ 7:30 am

About New Castle dropping to AAA. That’s probably more about football. On the basketball side, they’ve done just fine and they, no doubt, like competing at the highest level. Years ago, in the City League, 5th Avenue only had 400 or 500 students, but they also had a lot of success playing against much larger schools.

Comment by Justinian 03.23.14 @ 7:43 am

Wbb, no bc he did it at Dayton in 3 years. Try getting good players to play in the A10. Dixon has the ACC and we have Robinson as our PG. Great kid for sure. Not a great PG.

Comment by Upittbaseball 03.23.14 @ 7:51 am

Justinian, New Castle has been AAA in football for years, but they’ve not had much success. Good year for WPIAL basketball. That doesn’t happen often.

Comment by Iron Duke 03.23.14 @ 8:22 am

I know years ago when I was in school, 5th Avenue, as small as they were, did really well against much bigger schools in basketball. Although they weren’t as successful in football they were competitive. Actually Schenley and 5th Avenue were the City League’s top basketball programs.

Comment by Justinian 03.23.14 @ 8:30 am

I saw Requiem to the Big East and it was entertaining and enjoyable to watch. Don’t get me wrong, I absolutely loved Big East Basketball. I just don’t buy their blame game. For years many or old original “basketball” schools Seton Hall, St. Johns, Providence etc. have not been competive with UConn, Pitt Syracuse, Louisville and the other so called “football” schools. The old line “basketball” schools were myopic and refused to address the issues of the schools who were paying the freight. In the nostalgic TV piece, they blame the football schools. The blame belongs on squarely them, they wanted the football TV money. It was the Big East who had the large metropolitan markets and bigger eastern footprint. They weren’t responsive to needs of the “football” schools and they weren’t proactive. It was a failure of leadership and they ceded the initative. The Boston to Miami footprint now belongs to the ACC.

Comment by Justinian 03.23.14 @ 8:59 am


To the Pitt players:

Thanks for another exciting season. Best
wishes to the seniors! You guys were
outstanding. To the underclass man
can’t wait until next season. No shame
in losing to UF.

H2P! Glad we joined the ACC.

Comment by JR 03.23.14 @ 9:22 am

New Castle used to be a football power and ha more WPIAL titles than anyone until Aliquippa surpassed them. Then form Pitt Asst, John Sarandrea became BB coach, they start winning BB titles. This continues today with a new coach … I read today that the senior class, which has played together since 4th grade, has a 97-2 record, 3 WPIAL titles and now a state title.

Comment by wbb 03.23.14 @ 9:25 am

Justinian, I remember 5th Avenue’s final year when they won the state title with Sam Clancy, Bill Clarke and that little dynamo point guard, Warner Macklin.

Schenley, with Blair, Kennedy and Kane also won state title in either its last year or next to the last year

Comment by wbb 03.23.14 @ 9:28 am

jackagain – once or twice a decade for Pitt to have National Title aspirations is great. Fill in the rest of the years with NCAA tournament appearances and I’m a happy camper.

We’re not a basketball factory like Duke, UNC, Kentucky … coaches like Brad Stevenson and Tom Izzo are once a generation types. You can’t expect Pitt to land one. Anyone else who comes to Pitt will use it as a stepping stone.

There is not a great recruiting base in PA. That’s a fact. Everyone wants Sean Miller, but what has he really done? He’d be recruiting the same types of players he recruited to Xavier.

Sean MIller:

247 – 94, .724%
10 seasons, 7 NCAA’s, 2 Sweet 16’s and 2 Elite 8’s

Jaime Dixon

288 – 96, .750%
11 seasons, 10 NCAA’s, 2 Sweet 16’s and 1 Elite 8.

Very similar and Sean Miller didn’t start getting top 10 recruiting classes until he went to basketball factory Arizona.

Pitt’s recruiting has improved over the year’s and is only getting better. Pitt has to do what UCONN and Syracuse’s of the world did. Take their time establishing themselves and have recruiting build momentum. Calhoun and Boeheim each took a decade plus to become destination teams. Pitt’s on the cusps of it.

And this is a very different team if Birch works out and Adams stays. Imagine if Dante Taylor had lived up to the hype. Pitt’s just had some misses the last couple of years.

This year’s class looks legit. Next year’s class looks good and if the class in 2 years pans out, watch out.

Comment by Tossing Thabeets 03.23.14 @ 9:41 am

First of all, pretty obvious that ACC BBall was very down this year, secondly it takes a lot to advance in the Dance.

If Birch doesn’t have his head up his butt and Adams stays this year, things would have been a whole lot different. We would have had an inside game to compete with anyone.

Considering those departures, this was a very successful season.

While I am not making the case that different referees would have changed the outcome of the game, yesterday was another example of the complete inconsistency of college refereeing.

I have no clue what can be done to improve things, but when you see every hand check and little bump called in one game, and UF only called twice in a half it begs the question of credibility.

It is not possible to play that suffocating style of D without fouling. I thought you were only aloud two steps when driving to the basket and 3 seconds when standing in the paint.

Slamming your knee into a guys head while he is on the ground….

One day 40 calls the next day 5, like I said I don’t know what the answer is and I do do prefer letting them play, but something needs to be done to improve consistency.

Congrats to Archie Miller, his team played well, but that was the worst shooting I have ever seen by the Orange. Absolutely nothing was going in.

Ennis had two good chances to be the hero at the end and clanked them both.

Comment by gc 03.23.14 @ 9:55 am

Not just a loss, an EMBARASSING LOSS.

Jamie did nothing yesterday to prove wrong those who believe Pitt will NEVER become an Elite Program while he’s at the Helm

It’s not that Pitt should have won yesterday against a Bigger and More AThletic Team. It just was so embarrassing the way they lost.

ZERO ADJUSTMENTS in Offensive Strategy to counter Florida’s Press and the fact that shots just weren’t falling.

But that’s Jamie.

Comment by PittofDreams 03.23.14 @ 10:09 am

Yesterday’s game reminded me of the Old Big East against Georgetown. We weren’t built for a street fight.

Comment by gc 03.23.14 @ 10:11 am

Did I miss something? I saw Tomlin there – was anyone else there from the Pitt administration – if not where were they?

Comment by Frank 03.23.14 @ 10:17 am

A team led by JR and Cam next year spell disaster for me….who’s gonna score for next years team??

Comment by Keith 03.23.14 @ 10:18 am

Spring Ball has been flying under the radar, I’m sure Coach Chryst likes it that way.

Everyone very positive about the new strength guy, they really did not like the other guy.

All of our kids have been coached up for their interviews with talking points, no controversy, little personality. I’d like to see a little more enthusiasm, not high octane, but at least look like you are having fun.

Comment by gc 03.23.14 @ 10:19 am

How about you guys give some credit to the number 1 team in the nation who hasn’t lost since December. You act like Pitt lost to some scrubs. Florida starts 4 battled tested seniors and are the odds on favorite to win the title. They are probably the best defensive team in the nation. They also had what was essentially a home game yesterday. To somehow turn the loss yesterday into some statement about the program is absurd.

Dixon had the team well prepared for Florida. Pitt outplayed Florida in the first-half. They handled the press well, had minimal turnover and had really good open looks. A couple of those shots fall Pitt is up at the half and who knows what happens. Second half the team fell apart a bit, but it was an 8 point game with 5 minutes to go. Not even close to embarrassing like how some of you want it to be.

By the way you are all ranting on how bad Pitt’s offense is, Florida actually has a worse offense than Pitt.

Most of you guys are so insane and irrational. Pitt is one of the few programs that wins every year and makes the tournament every year. Most of you act like making the tournament is a god given right for Pitt basketball. It isn’t. Wake Forest fired their coach after making the tournament and they have stunk it up. Va Tech was always battling for the tournament and they have stunk too. Indiana got what some thought was a great coach and they are missing the tournament left and right.

You know what I hope Dixon does leave so I can come back here in 3 years and ask what all of you spoiled babies think about Pitt missing the tournament multiple years.

What’s nice about constantly being negative and being a hater is that you can just wait for a bad game and just pile on.

Comment by Wardapalooza 03.23.14 @ 10:31 am

Keith, no doubt replacing Patterson and Zanna’s scoring and rebounding will be a challenge.

Jamie has a way of constructing a solid team year after year. One NCAA miss in his career, not good enough for some, but impressive none the less.

Wright was the third leading scorer, it will be interesting to see whose game improves, but with DJ, CJ, Newkirk, Artis, Jeter and Young, we will get our points.

Comment by gc 03.23.14 @ 10:31 am

It’s always been obvious that James Robinson is not the most athletic kid on the floor. The EXTRA POUNDS he’s putting on don’t help.

Unless there’s some dramatic change here and he regarns some ability to shoot the ball, don’t see how Pitt will be able to improve with Robinson running the show. Gives up way too much athletically to the guy guarding him and the guy he’s guarding on Defense.

Comment by PittofDreams 03.23.14 @ 10:33 am

Well said Ward

Comment by gc 03.23.14 @ 10:34 am

Ward… Why can’t Jamie EVER pull a Mercer?

Just asking?

Comment by PittofDreams 03.23.14 @ 10:37 am

Another good season. Artis is going to be their scorer next year.

Comment by notrocketscience 03.23.14 @ 10:37 am

By the way Florida will never lose a game if they have refs that let them play like they did yesterday. Florida had 7 fouls total for the entire game. Too bad Pitt teams from the early 2000s didn’t have crews like that for their NCAA games.

This isn’t a refs were bad complaint, they let both sides get away with a lot. It just doesn’t make sense to me that you can have some games have 50-60 fouls while yesterdays Pitt game had 19 fouls.

The newer more athletic Pitt teams struggle to score in games where lots of contact is allowed. Look at most of the losses this year Cinci, Cuse and Virgina twice. All these games where contact filled games. When teams pack the paint and bump drives and get away with contact this Pitt team didn’t have an answer. Lamar needed another shooter out with him.

Comment by Wardapalooza 03.23.14 @ 10:37 am

OK, here’s where I’m at.

Truly believe Paul Chryst will win a Major Bowl before Jamie EVER gets a Pitt Team to the Final Four.

But I was there BEFORE yesterday’s embarrassment.

Comment by PittofDreams 03.23.14 @ 10:40 am

POD, Robinson will either get better offensively, or he will lose minutes to Newkirk. If I were Robinson, I would be shooting three’s all day long.

Many of Jamie’s guys get better from year to year, I am sure it will happen again, just don’t know which ones.

Comment by gc 03.23.14 @ 10:42 am

PittofDreams, what is a major bowl win exactly?

Comment by Wardapalooza 03.23.14 @ 10:44 am

POD, did you see the picture in today’s PG? Zanna surrounded by three studs. A picture tells a story.

Sorry you are embarrassed. What offensive adjustments are you suggesting should have been made?

Comment by gc 03.23.14 @ 10:47 am


I understand the question. And, no, I’m not looking for wiggle room.

Here’s what I mean by a Major Bowl. If you win the ACC, what happens next?

Comment by PittofDreams 03.23.14 @ 10:48 am


Ask Bo Ryan.

Comment by PittofDreams 03.23.14 @ 10:54 am

POD, if you win the ACC and aren’t selected for the playoff, you make the Orange Bowl. Then the Russell athletic bowl has second choice in a game against the Big 12 and then there is a group with the Gator and whatnot.

Comment by Wardapalooza 03.23.14 @ 10:54 am

Speaking of FOOTBALL…

Seems the new Strength Coach that so many Chryst critics were down on is doing OK.

PLayers like Ross Kolodziej and he’s apparently already getting results.

James Connor weighed in at 248, but actually looks trimmer than last year.

Get ready for some “Panther Beast Mode”… the new and improved version.

Comment by PittofDreams 03.23.14 @ 11:06 am

POD, Harris, Finney -Smith and Scottie Wilbekin, did not play in the game at Wisconsin.

Give me a break!

Comment by gc 03.23.14 @ 11:12 am


link to

Comment by Pitt Dad 03.23.14 @ 11:30 am

Speaking of “embarassment” and whether the term applies to yesterday.

Did I hear correctly that Pitt’s 45 points is the THIRD LOWEST in a Second Round Game in TEN YEARS.

Yes, I think the word accurately applies.

Comment by PittofDreams 03.23.14 @ 11:31 am

Pitt better hurry before Howland “The Return” gets cancelled.


Comment by PittofDreams 03.23.14 @ 11:36 am

Koolaid is flowing. Sign dixon for another 30 years before he leaves. LOL. Get Archie now or regret it bc heis going to acc.

Comment by Upittbaseball 03.23.14 @ 11:44 am

Coming into the season the big concerns that I remember were Zanna playing center, Zanna disappearing against better competition, and playing a bunch of first and second year players major minutes. I think Zanna exceeded expectations in conference and tournament play.

I think the reservations regarding the underclassmen proved correct. The only one that I can say clearly improved throughout the season was Newkirk.

The Duke loss seemed to really be the pivot point for the regular season.

The key stretch yesterday was the 17-15 minute mark in the second half when Pitt turned the ball over four times. UF built a double digit lead. Then Wilbekin hit a bunch of (mostly) difficult shots against various defenders (mostly Robinson and Wright) to sustain the lead.

In hindsight the DJ loss seemed to coincide with a change in playing style. Pitt seemed to become a more grind it out style (late shot clock) after DJ went down. They seemed more free flowing before the DJ injury. It may have been DJ’s “never met an open shot he didn’t like” approach or it may have been the quality of opposition. Pitt did end up grinding out three victories against VT, Miami and BC (conference dregs) in the post-DJ stretch.

I don’t like the late shot clock style and wish the players would take any open shot that is within their range. Perhaps that will be another JD change for next year.

Comment by Barvo 03.23.14 @ 11:53 am

Very strong correlation between Wright scoring and Pitt winning. Wright had a terrible day yesterday.

It happens, probably did not affect the outcome, but certainly affected the score. But let’s blame it all on Jamie.

Bo Ryan, still LOL

We would have won if Wilbiken was still suspended.

Comment by gc 03.23.14 @ 12:08 pm

GC… 45 does not get it done. Third WORST in Ten Years.

Which is about as long as Jamie has had to mold Pitt into an ELITE Program.

Now that’s pretty funny don’t you think?

Comment by PittofDreams 03.23.14 @ 12:21 pm

upittbaseball, there are more examples of coaches like Archie Miller failing when going up to the next level than them actually succeeding. And if Archie had 3 seasons at Pitt that involved NIT, missed, tournament and NCAA tournament appearance, you’d be running him out of town. But yeah Archie Miller is great. If Dayton had played Florida in the second round they wouldn’t be in the Sweet 16 either.

Comment by Wardapalooza 03.23.14 @ 12:29 pm

The writing is on the wall, and it’s starting to dry to the point that it’s becoming crusted and hard to read.

It could be that Jamie Dixon is just not the Coach to take Pitt to the next Level.

It’s just a matter of time… unless Pitt Admin is not really worried about going to the next level.

Comment by PittofDreams 03.23.14 @ 12:30 pm

Let’s see, because I am proud of a bunch of Pitt guys, who overcame defections and injuries, to beat an NC team in Carolina, with a couple of future pros, make the NCAA’s by a fairly slim margin and then to stomp on a eight seed, I’m a kool-aid aficionado.

Because I am still proud of a coach after he got beat by the numero uno team in the country in their home state, I proudly sip of the chilled sugary, chemically enhanced beverage.

Pitt students, get out your tar and feathers, UPitt wants to run the coach out of town, the winningest coach in Big East history is not good enough for Pitt. We deserve better, like Boeheim, or Coach K, wait a minute, Mercer, Dayton….

Comment by gc 03.23.14 @ 12:34 pm

Ward and GC you guys love making excuses

Comment by Upittbaseball 03.23.14 @ 12:36 pm

Same stories in another 10 years and 20M later

Comment by Upittbaseball 03.23.14 @ 12:38 pm

PittofDreams, what next level? Pitt has been ranked number 1 and was literally one play away from the final four, have won conference titles and conference tournaments and always make the tournament. They also have really high recruits for 2015 and 2016. What more do you want?

I find it really funny all of this talk is coming from a Chryst lover like yourself. The dude hasn’t beaten a good team his entire career at Pitt and has no idea how to recruit. I can absolutely guarantee you that Pitt football will never be ranked in the top 5 under Chryst let alone number 1 overall. Have Pitt basketball in some system like college football operates in Pitt basketball would have a couple major bowl wins. Also, Pitt football never will never have an appearance in the NCAA football playoffs under Chryst, which Pitt would have had at least under Dixon.

Comment by Wardapalooza 03.23.14 @ 12:41 pm

The University of Pittsburgh… home to an ELITE Basketball Arena looking for an ELITE Program to call it home.

And to think they built it knowing they were giving up the possibility of building a new ON-CAMPUS Football Stadium.

Have to believe Pitt Admin is not really willing to settle for anything less than the BEST BASKETBALL COACH money can buy in order to maximize its ROI.

But maybe I’m wrong.

Comment by PittofDreams 03.23.14 @ 12:41 pm

POD, it does not matter if you score 45 or 85, if you lose you lose. Embarrassing is what we did to Colorado. We were soundly beaten yesterday by a strong team, I don’t find that embarrassing. Disappointing of course, but not at all surprising or shocking.

Comment by gc 03.23.14 @ 12:42 pm

I’m always gonna be on the “let’s get rid of Dixon bus”…have been for two years now…I’ve said it before…this program HAD a chance to be an elite program..and that time has passed….with JD at the helm

I truly believe the administration we have DOESN’T know how to make any of our programs elite

Comment by Keith 03.23.14 @ 12:46 pm

How am I making up excuses? I said they lost to a better team. It happens. Pitt basketball under Dixon has been widely successful. Of course I wish they did more in the tournament, but to use NCAA tournament success as the only measure of a program is insane.

If I drink Koolaid, then you are a troll that lives under some sad draw bridge built with hate.

Comment by Wardapalooza 03.23.14 @ 12:46 pm

Wow, we had a chance to be an Elite program. If only we had fired Jamie and hired the flavor of the month. John Calipuri, Sean Miller, they would have been able to make us elite. Just like UMass, Xavier, Memphis.

Then they would have left for the big money like the guy from Marquette, VT ought to have their heads examined if what they say they are paying is true.

Comment by gc 03.23.14 @ 12:59 pm

I never once suggested replacing Dixon. That would be insane considering the success he has had.

But when a program goes to the Sweet 16 and an Elite 8 in 5 of 8 years with that comes higher expectations. Zero Sweet 16’s and only 2 tournament wins in the last 5, I don’t think it’s unrealistic or unfair to at least question some things.

How many times have you seen guard play elevate teams to the Final 4. All the success Pitt has had I just can’t understand how our starting backcourt is JR and Cam Wright? You seen it yesterday, that just does not cut it. Josh Newkirk simply has to play more next year.

The next few years are really important for this program. After the 2008-2009 run to the Elite 8 I was sure it was only a matter of time before Dixon reached a Final 4. I don’t think that is a certainty anymore. Everything is still in place, including the head coach, for it to happen. But Jamie has to evaluate where this program is and how to get back to playing beyond the 1st weekend of the tournament.

I don’t want to be ungrateful. I remember the end of the Evans era and the Ralph Willard debacle. Jamie has a perennial tournament team with kids that represent the university with class. Here is hoping Newkirk, Young, and Artis continue to improve, Durand Johnson’s rehab goes well, add a stud recruit or 2 and this program gets back to playing beyond the 1st weekend of the tournament.

Hail to Pitt!!!!!

Comment by Pap76 03.23.14 @ 1:11 pm

Gc, this is nothing to do with you being proud of the program I get that I’m there a lot of ways as well but where I have a problem is settling for mediocrity and 2 million a year to do it

Comment by Upittbaseball 03.23.14 @ 1:16 pm

PittofDreams mentioned Howland…it looks like Marquette is looking to hire him now.

link to

Comment by Jackagain 03.23.14 @ 1:24 pm

As far as replacing thing is that he’s still very young as a head coach. He was just a young inexperienced assistant before we hired him. I’m hoping he’s still learning on the job and willing to still learn and adjust. I have some examples of this already, like the 2-3 zone.

If he’s still adamant about recruiting all stiffs to play D and rebound and continues to bench young guys who have the gall to shoot, when I would gladly take my chances on a new coach.

There’s no excitement for me to see them crash & burn every March the way things are right now. You need offensive, exceptional guard play to get to and past the Sweet 16. That will never change…

Comment by Jackagain 03.23.14 @ 1:30 pm

As I’ve posted before… Jamie Dixon is an “Above Average” Coach. How “Above Average?” Well, that’s the key question.

However, it does appear that after TEN YEARS Jamie has shown himself to be LESS than “elite.” Afterall, has he ever pulled a Mercer? Don’t think so… not even one.

Once in awhile you thnk a REALLY GOOD Coach can prepare his team to pull the upset. I actually thought the table was set for that to happen yesterday and was rooting for Jamie to get it done.

But we know what happened… and not only was Pitt not in UPSET MODE… it was not even in COMPETE MODE. And Jamie apparently had no answers to overcome the opposition or his own players’ strange inability to make jumpshots from inside the paint.

Frankly, it looks like the future of Pitt Basketball depends on the next DeJuan Blair coming to campus, which if it were to happen… might not be enough.

My guees is the number of Die-Hard Dixon Supporters are starting to dwindle.

Now as far as the Football Program goes… if after Ten Years there are NO ACC Championships or Major Bowl Wins… I’ll be saying the same things about the Football Head Coach.

We only have EIGHT YEARS to go.

Comment by PittofDreams 03.23.14 @ 1:31 pm

Does Pitts win over Stanford look any better now. Upitt since how your not in the major leagues what coach failed you in your development. How many strike 3’s breezed by you as the bat lay on your shoulder, wonder if the coach was wishing he had a better prospect up at the time. One atleast willing to swing the bat

Comment by Taylor 03.23.14 @ 1:32 pm

POD, Pitt has multiple conference championships under Dixon.

Comment by Wardapalooza 03.23.14 @ 1:33 pm


Amen on the guard play! You see it every year.

JR and Cam Wright just does not cut it. Losing Kobe Eubanks to Baylor sucks. The kid is a shooter and can create his own shot.

Newkirk is exceptionally fast, and while he didn’t always finish, he showed he can get to the hoop. Jr and Cam both seem like great kids, but Newkirk has to play 30+ minutes next year, even if it means less PT for them…

Comment by Pap76 03.23.14 @ 1:36 pm

How bad is Bill Self as a coach? NBA players and he loses to a team that Pitt beat easily? What an embarrassing loss for Kansas.

Comment by Wardapalooza 03.23.14 @ 1:38 pm

I agree with Pap76 in that if Dixon is in love with JR and Cam because they’re his kind of players and seniority rules, then we are in trouble for years to come.

What JR needs to do to avoid crying every year in March is to lose 5-10 lbs and shoot 400 shots a day until he graduates. Only his shot can improve at this point….he will not get athletic. Both Cam and Nuke should do the same thing too.

As for the Willard & Evans era, those days are over since the University decided to put big money into the BB side of athletics. We have the Pete now, and the BB coach is getting in the neighborhood of 2 mil. We play in a great conference. Even an idiot like Pederson could get a good up and coming coach like Archie or Gregg Marshall to come here.

Some of you guys are young….I’m 64, and waiting on Dixon to continue to test the definition of insanity year after year is getting old too.

Comment by Jackagain 03.23.14 @ 1:40 pm

Wouldn’t be the first time you were wrong PittofDreams and it certainly won’t be the last. btw, you said

We’ve been waiting awhile to see Jamie pull off that BIG WIN in the Tournament.
Today is the day.

Comment by PittofDreams 03.22.14 @ 9:35 am

Now you say:

OK, here’s where I’m at.
Truly believe Paul Chryst will win a Major Bowl before Jamie EVER gets a Pitt Team to the Final Four.

But I was there BEFORE yesterday’s embarrassment.

huh? whatever

Comment by Gordo 03.23.14 @ 1:43 pm

Bad loss for Kansas, no doubt.

Bill Self has however has won ten straight regular season Big 12 championships. Led Tulsa and Illinois to the Elite 8 and has led Kansas to 2 Final 4’s and won a national championship

Comment by Pap76 03.23.14 @ 1:44 pm

I heard Hilgrove mention before the game that both Cost (“Cost Center”) and Petersen (“Petersen Events Center”) were in attendance. I wonder what they thought of that performance yesterday. Ultimately, that’s what matters. They, and other big money donors, own smug smile Stevie. They are the folks who would have to be willing to pay Dixon big money to go away. They signed off on that ridiculous extension Dixon got last year.

Upittbaseball, those are the folks you need to convince. You make valid points about Dixon’s shortcomings, but you lose a little credibility when you use the word “mediocre”. Pitt hoops is far from mediocrity.

Personally, I don’t think Dixon will ever have enough talent to make a final four. Pitt could do better, but with Steve making the hire, they would likely do a whole lot worse than Dixon.

Comment by Boubacar Aw 03.23.14 @ 1:45 pm

If you fired Dixon tomorrow, no coach is lining up to take the Pitt job. In fact, coaches are running away from the job. Who the heck wants to go to a school that just fired a coach after he made the NCAA tournament for the 10th time in 11 years, won 75% of all games, won 66% of all conference games and won multiple conference championships? Talk about a no win situation. That’s not even getting into the fact that Western PA is a pretty bad area for recruiting.

Comment by Wardapalooza 03.23.14 @ 1:47 pm


i think your comments at 1:31 are right on the mark.

Comment by goalie44 03.23.14 @ 2:02 pm

Kansas was also without one of their best players.

Ward, even lowly VT just got a good coach yesterday, and they’re no way like the Pitt program. I think either Archie Miller or Gregg Marshall would trip over themselves to get the Pitt job.

Comment by Jackagain 03.23.14 @ 2:19 pm

This entire argument about firing Jamie Dixon is hogwash. You don’t fire someone that wins at the high percentage he does. He does need a bench coach, a strategist that won’t panic under pressure. For those that think Pitt won’t get to the next level under Jamie, you all are maroons. We are at the next level. Hopefully we get some actual basketball players, with high IQ’s who understand time place and circumstance without having to be coached about it. Surround two pure basketball players with some quality athletes and you have something. Pitt is almost there if the commitments hold.

There was no embarrassment yesterday. Florida has two basketball players, supported by quality athletes. The athletes can take defensive pressure to a different level. That is why Pitt has struggled for years in the ncaa. Louisville, Kentucky, Kansas can full court pressure and get easy buckets to keep them in every game. Pitt cannot. Until such time as Pitt can roll out that type of defensive pressure, they won’t win a national championship. We have good athletes, not great ones. We also don’t have great basketball players. They are coming. Kansas turned over Stanford with pressure late, but Kansas couldn’t convert until the game was put away.

Comment by dhuffdaddy 03.23.14 @ 2:20 pm

@ Upitt – Dixon is responsible for recruiting. I think he knows that he needs basketball players to compliment the athletes. Look at the 76’rs. Athletes, yes. Basketball players, no. In the NCAA, you need two great basketball players, supported by athletes The bball players are in the pipeline so long as we don’t scare them off first.

Comment by dhuffdaddy 03.23.14 @ 2:23 pm

Pitt baseball swept Duke this weekend to run their record to 12-10(4-5 in ACC)

Play the Hoopies Tuesday in Morganhole. I don’t care if it’s in Tiddlywinks, wanna beat the Hoopies in anything!

Hail to Pitt!

Comment by Pap76 03.23.14 @ 2:24 pm


albany played a smarter game than pitt which inexcusable. dixon won’t change his style. we have little success since 2008 in any tournament except the cbi. if your happy with beating crummy non-con teams to boost pitt’s winning percentage, that’s up to you. like POD said earlier, their have been lot’s of cinderalla teams, but pitt is never one of them. good, but not good enough.

Comment by goalie44 03.23.14 @ 2:33 pm

Jackagain, Greg Marshall turns down jobs left and right. He wouldn’t be coming to Pitt. Archie Miller has literally one decent season which is this year during which Dayton finished 5th in the A-10 and barely made the tournament. So yeah let’s make him the savior. Sure sounds smart to me.

Comment by Wardapalooza 03.23.14 @ 2:48 pm

Cinderella teams are great but do they make the tourney 11 out of twelve times and are competitive in the best conferences year after year?

Albany played a smarter game? Our guards didn’t shoot well, theirs played lights out. Their big guys were bigger and badder than ours.

I may not be happy with the crummy non-com, but I don’t make shit up. Maybe I should ask Bo Ryan what he would do.

Comment by gc 03.23.14 @ 2:50 pm

You guys do know that FL lost two games all year, one without Wilbiken at Wisky and by 1 point at UConn when Napier had a great game.

Crying the blues because we only scored 45 as a black mark on Jamie’s record is ludicrous.

Comment by gc 03.23.14 @ 2:57 pm

By the way the guy before Archie Miller at Dayton was pretty decent and hasn’t done much at Georgia Tech.

Comment by Wardapalooza 03.23.14 @ 2:58 pm

I will GARAUNTE that Archie Miller do not tank at the next job he takes….he’s got coaching in his blood…and they have all been successful

Comment by Keith 03.23.14 @ 3:15 pm

and…as long as we he the constipated looking man himself (JD)….we will never get to a final four….but i’ll root for us to get there!!..ugh…h2p!!

Comment by Keith 03.23.14 @ 3:18 pm

do you think Dayton beats Florida? If not, then shut the F up!

Oh St was overrated all year, and Cuse isn’t even close to the team they were when they beat us … as o for 10 from the 3 will attest .. including two open looks from Ennis in the last 30 seconds alone

Comment by wbb 03.23.14 @ 4:00 pm

for Chris’s sakes, OSU was swept by Penn St … that’s how beatable they are …. and Cuse hasn’t looked good for about a month now

Comment by wbb 03.23.14 @ 4:02 pm

Anyone else think Whichita State got utterly hosed by the refs in favor of the Kentucky blue bloods?

Comment by Dan 72 03.23.14 @ 4:42 pm

we haven’t been close to winning a conference tournament since 2008. we’v either missed the tourney or been one and done in the ncaa or lost the first game since 2008. you can boast about all of the cupcake wins, and there have been some quality wins as well, but not enough. i believe the program has reached it’s peak.

Comment by goalie44 03.23.14 @ 4:43 pm

DeAndre Kane with the wicked crossover, then Throw Down dunk.

Wanted to be a Panther !

Can you imagine how much better we would have been with him at PG !

Comment by Emel 03.23.14 @ 4:52 pm

Need to get Mostella in here.

Then Newkirk & Mostella, starting backcourt,

Wright & JR can come off the bench.

Comment by Emel 03.23.14 @ 4:53 pm

There’s some talent on the court in this game,….
Iowa State/UNC and some serious coaching going on.

Comment by Emel 03.23.14 @ 4:54 pm

last week, we lost in the conference semi-final by 3 to the eventual champ

If we don’t unexpectedly lose our best low defender two years in a row, people wouldn’t be complaining. We’d have a much better seed ad still playing.

I don’t blame JD for either. If Skerry is not offered an HC job and Birch’s handlers leave him alone. he still is here … and of course, Adams at this time a year ago was definitely returning.

Instead, we have to play a forward at center and natural freshman with broken bone in back at forward

Comment by wbb 03.23.14 @ 4:55 pm

in every loss this year (except for the 2 to cuse) and even a couple close wins, we were outrebounded …. something that is essential for Pitt to win vs good competition

Comment by wbb 03.23.14 @ 4:58 pm

Had Dayton in my bracket, but have Kansas ending their run.

Comment by Emel 03.23.14 @ 5:01 pm

Have Iowa State vs Uconn in 16

Comment by Emel 03.23.14 @ 5:02 pm

UNC goes to the zone, Kane for 3

Comment by Emel 03.23.14 @ 5:04 pm

wbb…if you want to throw a bunch of wut if’s..we’ll be here all night….every team in the country would be better if that were the case…so that argument or point is not a good one..

Comment by Keith 03.23.14 @ 5:05 pm

wbb, Yes, I think that was probably the best 5th Avenue team. The following year they were playing at Brashear. The Schenley team I remember best was the team that lost to Beaver Falls with Maurice Lucas, Clarance Hopson, Skeeter Stewart and Ricky Coleman. The following year 1971 Schenley won the State Championship.

Comment by Justinian 03.23.14 @ 5:06 pm

and….I culd care less if Dayton beat beatable teams in OSU and CUSE….Archie DOUBLED the amount of teams JD has beaten with higher seeds in the tourney…….FACT!!

Comment by Keith 03.23.14 @ 5:07 pm

AND…does anyone really think JD will let our athletic guards “play” basketball????…..hell no!!…dribble for 30 seconds…and throw up a prayer!!…we’ve all seen it?!?!

Comment by Keith 03.23.14 @ 5:09 pm

We needed to change defenses yesterday, and force them to shoot from the outside as much as possible.

Our guards were not capable of playing man defense against their guards. Plain as day to see.

They blew into the lane or the hoop almost anytime they wanted.

How you stop that, is by going zone. Didn’t do it once.

Comment by Emel 03.23.14 @ 5:13 pm

Thought JD had come to that conclusion in several games earlier in the year.

Yet he still insists they play Man(yesterday exclusively), when they’re clearly overmatched at several positions.

Comment by Emel 03.23.14 @ 5:14 pm

emel…and that’s coaching?!….I’ve never understood how fans like us can see that shit on the T.V..and the coaches don’t…

Comment by Keith 03.23.14 @ 5:15 pm

they only shot 25% from 3. That was their weakness and how Albany stayed with them. Even their coach recognized that.

I just don’t understand how you can play the same base defense the whole game, knowing it’s not producing the much needed turnovers, that get you transition points.

Comment by Emel 03.23.14 @ 5:19 pm

It’s because JD is a control freak and suborn as hell!!…I can’t believe he actually took responsablilty for that screw up right before haltime

Comment by Keith 03.23.14 @ 5:20 pm

Pitt’s biggest wins were in games we scored 70-80 points.

We lost most of the half court sloggers.

Comment by Emel 03.23.14 @ 5:21 pm

emel…do you also notice that the offense will run smoothly for a good while…then they abandon it???…and run clock

Comment by Keith 03.23.14 @ 5:25 pm

Yea well did that against UNC when they were losing the big lead. It’s called panicking.

We kill our own Mo…a lot.

Comment by Emel 03.23.14 @ 5:32 pm

Florida runs clock too. They do it as part of a plan to keep the score close, knowing they will go on at least one 10-2 runs during the game. Looks like the ACC may be out after the Iowa St. game. Kane performing well. Herrion told Dixon to stay clear of Kane as he had him at Marshall for three years.

Nobody mentioned Kane after whooping Colorado. Not many mention Birch because unlv didn’t make the tourney. It’s the facebook depression setting in. Let’s watch and see what everybody else has and does and then bitch. Creates depression. Fresh idea. Let’s look at what we have, appreciate it, and try to improve. I agree that we should have tried a zone bc we couldn’t handle Wilberky. I actually saw Mercer play man to man on one possession, a 2-3 on the next possession, a 2-1-2 on the third possession and a man to man on a fourth possession. You can do that with basketball players who understand the concepts.

Pitt remains IT!! I can’t complain with the year. They weren’t good enough. Now, go improve. I like Young, Artis and Johnson. I like Newkirk. I like Jones. We need some basketball players.

Carpe’ recruits!

Comment by dhuffdaddy 03.23.14 @ 5:46 pm

dhuffdaddy….with all due respect…I don’t care what every other team in the country does..i only care about what pitt does….and carpe can recruit all he wants….once JD puts on the chasity belts on any offensive capabilities these kids have…were screwed!!…and we all know he sucks the like out of these kids offensive abilitites!!!

Comment by Keith 03.23.14 @ 5:53 pm

Our FG % suffers greatly in the halfcourt, if we go back and take a look at the slogball games I’m sure it would reflect that.

One Zanna is not a great or even very good post up player. Neither is Young or Artis. You have Lamar playing on the perimeter mostly since neither Wright nor JR are effective in running an offense or distributing the ball.

What Z can do is run, usually faster than whoever is guarding him, which is why he is very good in getting easy baskets in transition off of passes.

Got to play to your strengths, Pitt was much better in transition type games. Stanford, Texas Tech, Wake(twice), Clemson(twice), MD (twice), GT, UNC (twice), and CU.

Slogball was our anathema, Cincy, Syracuse (twice), UVA (twice), Miami (yea we got the win in Double OT, but qualifies) VT (same thing), FSU and finally Florida.

Since we got very few transition points, the FG % in these halfcourt slogball games was horrendous.
Since we really had no real post up players.
Cincy – 31%
Cuse – 38%
UVA – 32%
Miami – 33%
VT – 37%
Cuse – 36%
FSU – 37%
UVA – 37%
Florida – 37%

Bottom line, we lost all games in halfcourt slogball except to 2 teams we should have routed, ACC worst VT and Miami.

So therefore defenses needed to be used to produce turnovers which gets you transition points.

Seems pretty clear to me, this isn’t rocket science.

Comment by Emel 03.23.14 @ 5:59 pm

Hey Joe, why don’t you grow a pair and at least post under one screen name. Right now you have 3 to 4 going. You’re a blowhard.

Comment by Gordo 03.23.14 @ 6:06 pm

refs taking this away from Iowa State

Comment by Emel 03.23.14 @ 6:11 pm

dhuffdaddy, Virginia is still alive in the ACC….all those of you wanting Jamie out, please remember the big move he made almost a year ago – let Pat Sandle go and brought Rohrrson back. Give that time to pay some dividends. I think the year that Johnson is a senior we will be stellar.

Comment by KeyboardKev 03.23.14 @ 6:12 pm

me thinks they’d like to see a Uconn/Tarhole matchup in the 16 at MSG.

Comment by Emel 03.23.14 @ 6:13 pm

don’t see how you can advance to over midcourt in 1.6 seconds when a player is dribbling up the court..clock also started late

Comment by Emel 03.23.14 @ 6:35 pm

ironic as hell…a kid from Pittsburgh who wanted to come to Pitt….is the hero of the game !

Comment by Emel 03.23.14 @ 6:38 pm

got to be able to recognize talent

Comment by Emel 03.23.14 @ 6:38 pm

And what a talent Kane is.

Line for the game that gets HIS team to the Sweet 16.

24 points, 9 rebounds and 7 assists. Yes he had some turnovers, but that comes with being able to actually score when penetrating.

Comment by Emel 03.23.14 @ 6:41 pm

And my bracket gets screwed with a team we beat by playing transition, by 20 points. Stanford.

But I did have ISU/Uconn in Sweet 16.

Comment by Emel 03.23.14 @ 6:44 pm

Emel, Do you think we could have used DeAndre Kane this year? We have another one from Beaver Falls transferring in, who always wanted to play for Pitt.

Comment by Justinian 03.23.14 @ 6:45 pm

Wow Justinian….JD probably would have not played Kane at PG, cause he makes some turnovers. lol

All those games we had no offense, because Lamar was doubled, Kane would have made a HUGE difference.

Just so typical it seems for Pitt.

Comment by Emel 03.23.14 @ 6:49 pm

Gonna be a lot worse next year. Nobody on the current roster is a 3 point threat but DJ and he’s an unknown at this point with the ACL.

And who is going to provide any consistent inside scoring. As neither Young or Artis are post up type of players. Dorson & the juco transfer are not offensive threats at all.

Talk about struggling to be able to put points on the board.

They really need to hit the road and don’t come home until they land 2 real good inside players or 1 really good inside player and a real good 3 point shooter.

And give Uchebo & Randall their walking papers.

Comment by Emel 03.23.14 @ 6:55 pm

Down to 1 ACC team left.

Comment by Emel 03.23.14 @ 7:03 pm

Marquette contacts Ben Howland, Howland interested.

link to

Comment by Emel 03.23.14 @ 7:12 pm

Even a little school like Mercer, down by 11 with 2 minutes and change….puts the press on !

Comment by Emel 03.23.14 @ 7:15 pm

And they aren’t conceding defeat.

Didn’t like that at all yesterday

Comment by Emel 03.23.14 @ 7:18 pm

Kane would have NEVER had the success he had at Iowa St. if he came here…He woulda avg 20 min..and 8 pts a game…but he would have learned how to play defesne…..cuz defense puts the points on the board…..Damnt!!…how am I gonna put up with this shit!!

Comment by Keith 03.23.14 @ 7:31 pm

Coaching strategy.

Baylor’s zone instrumental in holding a team avg’g 80 points a game, to only 20 at halftime.
McDermott only has 2 points.


Comment by Emel 03.23.14 @ 8:01 pm

Pitofdreams, just don’t feel you think clearly.

The last 11 years under Dixon were probably the best years Pitt has had in it’s basketball history. I was also a Chipman fan. Too bad he died of cancer. He was going to stay and had us going in the right direction.

It’s takes decades to make a name in a given sport; 30 to 40 years sometimes! Look at Syracuse. Pitt still is considered a football legacy by some, in spite of, playing like shit for several decades.

Pittofdreams, it shouldn’t take you more than 5 minutes to realize Chryst is a failure. We certainly have enough experience to spot a poor football coach.

Basketball, give me another 30 years of Dixon with the same record.

We never had it so good!

Comment by Old Pitt Grad 03.23.14 @ 8:06 pm

Got to remind many down here in the South, that at one time Pitt was a ‘player’ in football.

And that was over 30 years ago now. Except for the next to last Wanny year when we finished ranked #15 in the country, when have been mostly average or mostly bad.

When I’m gone, there won’t be any down here to remind anyone of Pitt football. We better hurry up and become relevant again ! lol

Basketball while good, has never come close to reaching the heights of Pitt football from the 1930’s or from 1975-1984.

Comment by Emel 03.23.14 @ 8:13 pm

Football desperately needs an infusion of money, like basketball got in 2000 ?

Comment by Emel 03.23.14 @ 8:17 pm

Pittofdreams, we should have built a multi function dome at the Pitt stadium site. Asshole Peterson, or whatever his name is, is guilty of lack of foresight above all. Plus he sucks at picking football coaches.

Comment by Old Pitt Grad 03.23.14 @ 8:34 pm

I’m also here in the deep, deep South….and no one….absolutely no one looks at Pitt as a football school. Or maybe better said, a football school worth worrying about.

As for Dixon, it seems to me the pressure is on him more than ever with Slice on the bench.

Dixon is not a big time recruiter…..the fundamental reason Slice is back. He better deliver or the honeymoon of 12 years will begin to fade.

And, the poster who argued who would come to Pitt after hiring a guy with much success like Dixon is absolutely correct.

A school such as UCLA can fire Howland and land a great coach. That can not happen at a non-elite hoops school such as Pitt.

Finally, to the poster comparing those great Schenley teams, you forgot to include Kennedy’s father, Puffy Kennedy, who went on to play at Cincinnatti

Comment by tallahassee panther 03.23.14 @ 8:39 pm

Emil there where other good years and teams. Not many in a row though; 64 team and some good teams under Gottfred in the 90’s, I think.

Not having a stadium doesn’t help.

Comment by Old Pitt Grad 03.23.14 @ 8:41 pm

Oh Yea I know Old Pitt Grad.

we had some excellent teams under Pop Warner, we had the undefeated ‘Fighting Dentists’ team in 1919 I believe.

We had the back to back good years under John Michelosen in 1955 (Sugar Bowl) & 1956 (Gator Bowl) and of course the 9-1 # 4 ranked ‘no bowl’ team of 1963.

Aren’t too many ppl who know more Pitt football history than your’s truly.

But unfortunately most of that is in the way distant past. I’m getting tired of waiting !

Comment by Emel 03.23.14 @ 8:47 pm

Gottfried was gone by 1990.

He had limited success, our best year under Mike was 1989, we finished 8-3-1 and ranked 17th in the final national poll.

As I mentioned previously Wanny’s 15th ranked team of 2009 was the highest Pitt ranked team since Marino’s senior season(1982), when we finished ranked #10.

That is a long long time.

Comment by Emel 03.23.14 @ 8:52 pm

Tallahassee panther before Pitt got Holland it couldn’t buy a decent basketball coach.

I bet everybody down South will agree Pitt plays big time basketball. Pitt is an elite program in basketball; with an elite coach!

Does anybody really think another coach will get us further? Just like changing football coaches has helped, right?

Comment by Old Pitt Grad 03.23.14 @ 8:53 pm

Ya, 64 team was 1- 10. I meant the 63 team. A bunch of my fraternity brothers played!

Comment by Old Pitt Grad 03.23.14 @ 9:05 pm

No, wrong again! 64 was not 1- 10.

Comment by Old Pitt Grad 03.23.14 @ 9:15 pm

Yep keyboard, I forgot Virginia is still alive. Good catch. I figured NC was out when I posted well before the game was over. Hope they win or we will never hear the end of the ACC not having representation in the sweet 16.

Pitt had a chance to get Calipari and chose not to commit to the circus that follows him. I would have supported that move and very few others. A .750 winning percentage is fantastic. Perhaps the AD can add a couple of difficult non conference games in the coming years.

Time to turn to football. Paul Chryst will continue to build. Two more years and we will be consistent 8 game winners, with an occasional 9 or 10 win season. Until such time as Pederson leaves, that is the best we can do.

Comment by dhuffdaddy 03.23.14 @ 9:43 pm

TJ McConnell’s father played for the ‘Little Panthers’ along with Sean Miller per the announcers.

How come we didn’t recruit him ? Or did we ?

If he can play for Arizona he can definitely play for us.

Comment by Emel 03.23.14 @ 10:22 pm

Old Pitt Grad, to answer your question….no…I do not think people down here look at Pitt as elite, especially since all of SEC Country just saw what happened Saturday.

As for Dixon…well respected to be sure. But, what have you done for me lately?

Comment by tallahassee panther 03.23.14 @ 10:25 pm

Btw Syracuse opened the Carrier Dome in 1980.

By the 1986-87 season they reached the Final 4, actually the National Championship game and lost on a buzzer beater by Keith Smart of IU.

2 years later(88-89), another Elite 8.
Following year (89-90) Sweet 16.
93-94 Sweet 16.
95-96 Final 4 & National Championship Game
97-98 Sweet 16
99-00 Sweet 16
02-03 Final 4 & National Championship Gm (won)
03-04 Sweet 16
08-09 Sweet 16
09-10 Sweet 16
11-12 Elite 8
12-13 Final 4

We had that window of opportunity of 2003 to 2008 when Cuse was a little down.
And we didn’t get to but 1 Elite 8.

Question is: will that window of opportunity open again ?

Comment by Emel 03.23.14 @ 10:34 pm

Uconn opened Gampel Pavillion in 1990.

1990-91 Sweet 16
93-93 Sweet 16
94-95 Elite 8
95-96 Sweet 16
97-98 Elite 8
98-99 Final 4 & National Champ (won)
01-02 Elite 8
02-03 Sweet 16
03-04 Final 4 & Nat Champ (won)
05-06 Elite 8
08-09 Final 4
10-11 Final 4 & Nat Champ (won)
13-14 Sweet 16

I compare us to Cuse & Uconn since they are the schools most similar to Pitt, with average or below average football programs and have similar enrollments(around 20k undergrads), etc.

And what happened to their programs after building on campus basketball arena’s.

Comment by Emel 03.23.14 @ 10:46 pm

The Pete opened in 2002

2002-2003 Sweet 16
2003-2004 Sweet 16
06-07 Sweet 16
08-09 Elite 8

** only years where a school reached the Sweet 16, are listed for each school.

Comment by Emel 03.23.14 @ 10:50 pm

Question is: are we getting enough of a return on our investment ???

Comment by Emel 03.23.14 @ 10:51 pm

Brackets are doing good, I have 13 of the Sweet 16.

misses were: Stanford, SDSU & KY.

Comment by Emel 03.23.14 @ 11:03 pm

Those that want Jamie Dixon fired are simpletons.

I have nothing to back up this statement just as those think JD should be fired have no actual reason that makes any sense.

The kids graduate, the program is clean, we play in the NCAA tourney 11 out of 12 years and compete at a high level.

MANY schools would LOVE to have Jamie Dixon as their coach so I don’t think it’s too much to ask that a few of you just tolerate him.

Comment by Tony In Harrisburg 03.24.14 @ 12:04 am


You’re the Fox News or ESPN of this board. Asking questions to which you have ready made answers.

Had you ever seen a Marshall game when Kane played for them? He was a ball hog and a gunner on a middling team. Check out his career stats. He was exactly the kind of crappy shooter that you constantly lament that Pitt has. A turnover machine. A poor FT shooter. There was nothing there to indicate a successful transition to a higher tier program.

His lone year at ISU is easily his best. He benefited by being surrounded by other talented players. BTW, Long’s shooting is what kept ISU in that game yesterday. Kane has no “moment” without it. Tell the whole story.

What exactly is the “return on investment” of which you have a piece? Are you a donor to the athletic department or university (I am)? You live in the south so I assume that you’re not a ST holder (I am). If you’re neither of those you are simply a fan who needs to back a winner so that you can brag to your friends.

I am with you regarding McConnell. I appreciate your points about Boeheim and Calhoun. However each still took several years to make the FF. They built those programs during an era with far less team parity and consequently fewer upsets in the tourney.

Undefeated, and 2013 FF team WSU lost yesterday (third round). Early plays like a lottery pick, but still done. Duke lost to a #14 seed that was crushed yesterday. Kansas stunned by a team Pitt beat by 22. Duke and Kansas have pick of the litter recruiting every year and they are done just like Pitt. Add in UNC.

Comment by Barvo 03.24.14 @ 5:15 am

I think I’d rather be them, as opposed to
who only whine and cry, and blame others.

You’re ok in my book Emel.

Comment by Dan 03.24.14 @ 9:02 am

As for Pitt basketball.

I like Dixon. I do not wish him to be fired.
He has done a lot for the program, no question.

However, it is very apparent to even a novice fan that stagnation at best has set in.

Someone above compared this to past basketball teams and this is the best we have had.

No arguments, you are correct.

However, I am a human. When you get to a certain point, you want to become even better. It’s human nature.

I personally would not be happy settling for this for the next 30 years.

Jamie is a good coach. I’ll even give you very good. He is not a great coach or an elite coach.

Can he be?? Well, he’s going to have to adapt and be willing to change some things. Will he, can he??

First one, is an easy one. He has to get better players. If he only wants ones that fit into “his” system, then this is what we’re gonna have for 30 years.

We need better players, it’s that friggin’ simple. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist.

He’s also got to be willing to adapt and change his offenses and defenses. I see many other teams doing this, actually most.

If he’s not willing to adapt his recruiting and strategies, then is, is what we are.

Jamie Dixon is a good coach.

Great coaches get their teams to the Sweet 16 and Elite 8 periennially.

Elite coaches get their teams to the Elite 8, Final 4 and NC games often.

Making the tournament was enough for me 4 or 5 years ago. That was fantastic. Still is fantastic.

Sorry, I want the program to take the next step. I don’t see Dixon doing this, unless he makes some changes in the way he does things.

Comment by Dan 03.24.14 @ 9:17 am

@Dan – can you give us a few examples of coaches who meet your definition of “great” or “elite” – and over what time period you measure – and then tell us how they did (or are doing) this year?

Comment by Pitt Dad 03.24.14 @ 9:31 am

BTW – did you know that Pitt is tied for 18th all time in consecutive NCAA tournament appearances (2002-2011)? We’re tied with Cuse. Only active streaks in the list are Kansas, Duke, Michigan State, Gonzaga and Wisconsin.

Comment by Pitt Dad 03.24.14 @ 9:39 am

@Dan – here’s your “great” list

link to

Comment by Pitt Dad 03.24.14 @ 9:40 am

What I may never figure out is how a team like UVA plays ball very similar in style to us in the regular season and then plays at a whole different level last night. They are just one example but there are others. Stanford, Dayton, even Baylor and Tenessee are seemingly playing over their potential the regular season showed.

Is it that one or two elite or near-elite player/s? Is it the coach with x’s and o’s? Is it the coach in how he sets up his kids mentally? Is it the players who just need to take responsibility and achieve/over-achieve under the pressure of the bright lights?

We’ll never know, but looking at the Florida game(again on DVR), I still see early open misses as the key to the loss. Some were contested but some were open even wide open looks. Florida missed too, but then Wilbekin became the difference maker late in the game. Our difference maker was Lamar and he could not do it alone.

For those wanting Dixon gone, you guys must really be depressed and frustrated and will be for a while. If somehow Dixon is replaced, I would first laugh and then pray(not really) the new guy does well. If in the next 3 to 4 years we are stuck in this same mode, maybe I will switch to Keith, Upitt, etal’s camp. But not winning a NC or making it to the FF will not be my bar. There is a lot to love about Pitt’s basketball program that I would not trade away.

Comment by TVax 03.24.14 @ 9:59 am

Think you answered your own question. From about 6 and up, Donavan and up, those would probably be your elite coaches.

??? If you’re going with the length of time angle, then Jamie better get on his horse, this is his 11th year, and only has one.

Doesn’t look promising for the Elite 8 to happen in the next few years either.

Hey, he’s a good coach.

Comment by Dan 03.24.14 @ 12:29 pm

@Dan – I agree with the 6 and up. But none of them are coming to Pitt.

Comment by Pitt Dad 03.24.14 @ 12:57 pm

But check this out:

Look at this list and see how many coaches have a better percentage of years in the tournament as compared to years coaching than he does.

link to

Comment by Pitt Dad 03.24.14 @ 12:59 pm

I agree Pitt Dad. Like I said, I love the fact we’re in the tournament. out of 351 teams, only 19% get in, compared to football where 70 out of 126 go to a bowl, something like 57%.

Never once called for his firing.

I’m just thinking, he needs to do some adjusting in his mind. I’m all for getting some kids for “his” system, but going forward, I think he needs to land some next level up kids consistently to move forward.

We’re very good. Many, many teams and coaches would love to go to the tourney once, let alone 12 out of 13 years.

I just want to make the next step up.

I thought we were already there up until the last couple years. Maybe it’s just a bump in the road, I hope so. He does have some shooters coming in, in a year or two. We’ll see I guess.

Hey, I’m cheering for him, you can tell no one wants it more than him. He’s probably taking years off of his life every season. I hope he can do it.

Comment by Dan 03.24.14 @ 1:17 pm

Just saw your link. Ya, he’s right there, hopefully he’s on his way.

Great links by the way. Excellent. Have looked for something like those before and never found them. Good stuff.

Comment by Dan 03.24.14 @ 1:19 pm

@Dan – Happy to add the links. (Hail to Google?) Any Pitt fan should be pulling for JD. Having met him a few times, he’s a great guy, a credit to the school and I believe one day (soon) he will break through to the next level.

Comment by Pitt Dad 03.24.14 @ 1:28 pm

@pitt dad

great or elite coaches have been to multiple final fours. almost making it does not count in my opinion. jd has earned the right to leave on his own terms and not fired especially by sp. however, it is my opinion this program is stuck. the goal of any sports team is to win championships not just make the playoffs. if he never gets to a final four, i guess that’s ok with some, but not for me, especially if he is an “elite coach”

Comment by goalie44 03.24.14 @ 2:35 pm

@goalie44 – here is that list

link to

Note that it includes vacated appearances.

If multiple is more than two, the list isn’t that long.

Comment by Pitt Dad 03.24.14 @ 2:53 pm

Wasn’t calling for JD to be fired. Was just bringing to ‘light’, some of this talk that it took some of these schools, 20-30 years BEFORE they broke thru.

Comment by Emel 03.24.14 @ 3:38 pm

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