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March 3, 2014

Open Thread: NC State-Pitt

Filed under: Basketball,Open Thread — Chas @ 7:21 pm

Final game at the Pete for the season. Aaron Donald will be there.

Game is on ESPNU at 9pm. Mike Patrick and LaPhonso Ellis calling the game.

Not sure what kind of effort will be coming from the Wolfpack. Obviously not the effort they gave versus UNC last week. Or Syracuse the week before. They likely won’t be as pathetic as they were in the games immediately after those losses.

N.C. State (17-12, 7-9 ACC) will play at Pittsburgh on Monday after a sobering letdown in an 85-70 home loss to Miami on Saturday.

The Wolfpack poured everything into Wednesday’s game against North Carolina, an 85-84 overtime loss, but couldn’t duplicate the effort against the struggling Hurricanes.

Gottfried understood those challenges before the season. He had talked to his team about the danger of Saturday’s game with Miami.

He saw the same pattern after a difficult loss to Syracuse on Feb. 15. The Wolfpack couldn’t avoid some of the same issues that cost it a 73-56 loss at Clemson after the Syracuse game.

At this point, the goal for NC State is to finish at .500 in conference play. They end the season at home against BC, so this should be a big deal for them.

It’s obviously a big deal for Pitt. Especially for the seniors.

“We will be ready, we need to rest up and get our bodies right,” Patterson said after the Panthers beat Notre Dame, 85-81, Saturday in overtime. “This means a lot, my last home game, last game at the Pete. I want to make sure we go out with a ‘W.’ I let Pittsburgh down with a loss on senior night so why not go out and get a ‘W’ in our last game at the Pete.”

Coach Dixon is also bothered by the play of Pitt at home.

Coach Jamie Dixon said he believes the best way to honor his senior stars is by winning their final game before a pro-Panthers crowd at the Pete.

“It’s the last home game. It’s not senior night, but in a lot of ways, it is,” Dixon said. “Most importantly, we have not played as well at home as we have on the road. To me, that’s got to change. We’re 6-2 on the road and 4-4 at home, and that’s never been the case with Pitt. We’ve got to get that changed. We can’t deal with what’s past, but we can deal with what’s in the future. We’ve got to go and play well.”

As usual, Coach Dixon looks to rebounding as being key.

As inconsistent as NC State has been, T.J. Warren has been the one constant. Even when the rest of the Wolfpack was mailing it in against Miami, Warren went for 20 points and 7 boards. He will get his points. Pitt has to do what they did last time with him. Which was make him work for it and have to take a lot more shots to get them.

NC State to be successful needs to attack the basket. Pitt will probably be playing a fair amount of zone to limit their penetration. Just as they did in the first meeting. Their frontcourt is still playing raw, and their 3-point shooting is actually more inconsistent  than Pitt’s.





No timeouts under 10 seconds please. It would be good to get on a roll going into the post season tourneys.

Comment by gdodson 03.03.14 @ 7:30 pm

@JD, Let the boys loose tonight and they won’t let you down.

Comment by spiritofsection22 03.03.14 @ 7:35 pm

spiritofsecion22…….agreed!…let’em play!..gotta get this one

Comment by Keith 03.03.14 @ 7:44 pm

This will be a good win for Pitt. There are inherent problems with the game. If they win, all will say they should have won. If they lose, they should fire the coach and go to the nit gibberish will start all over. This is a downside only game as far as perception.

That said, I like Pitt in the game and hopefully they can get a commit while they are at it. That may be the difference in style tonight. A more uptempo free style with a couple bigtime recruits in the building may be just what the dr. ordered.

Carpe’ wolfpack!! LEt’s go Pitt!

Comment by dhuffdaddy 03.03.14 @ 7:50 pm

Jamie might be too uptight. He might be pushing too hard and over coaching too. He didn’t get where he is by being stupid and my guess is he backs off a little from here. A week ago we were on the edge of the abyss but the ND game put us back on firm ground and took some of the pressure off. Next challenge UNC our 2nd game in the ACC. We have a good team that had some tough injuries and caught some tough breaks. We weathered the storm and are going to climb nicely from here.HTP

Comment by spiritofsection22 03.03.14 @ 7:52 pm

When I get the time I think I’ll do a “Hitler reacts too…..” Jamie Dixon timeout vid….

link to youtube.com

Comment by Jackagain 03.03.14 @ 8:16 pm

Happy to say I’ll be able to watch the game live with you fine fellows this evening… Looking forward to the comments no matter how irrational they may become! :)

Notre Dame giving UNC all they can handle right now… Funny game this college basketball…

Let’s go Pitt!!!!

Comment by Pitt2Cali 03.03.14 @ 8:18 pm

Lot of reasons to think Pitt rolls tonight. 1) Pack is a lousy rebounding team 2)Pack is a lousy free throw shooting team 3)Pack isn’t a good 3 point shooting team 4)Our seniors last home game 5)We should be riding high after the big road win at ND

Comment by spiritofsection22 03.03.14 @ 8:20 pm

Hard as it is ….rooting for ND up 3 right now. Rocky on the other channel.

Comment by Dan 72 03.03.14 @ 8:20 pm

The zombies should have had time to get ‘tuned up’ for this 9pm start.

And their last chance to get off sitting on their hands.

Support the student section and make some noise, so we know you’re alive !!!!

Comment by Emel 03.03.14 @ 8:27 pm

Likewise Pitt2Cali

Comment by Emel 03.03.14 @ 8:30 pm

Is anyone watching the ND n Unc game?…people are standing in the lower part of stadium…wanna bet the crowd at the pete doesn’t stand up once?!…where has our home court adv gone??

Comment by Keith 03.03.14 @ 8:31 pm

Hungry like the ….Panther. !!!

Comment by Emel 03.03.14 @ 8:32 pm

Emel….agreed…completely!!

Comment by Keith 03.03.14 @ 8:32 pm

We need Tiger Paul to get ‘em up off their Axx.

Comment by spiritofsection22 03.03.14 @ 8:33 pm

Complacency and a feeling of entitlement Keith.

Need some ‘new blood’ at The Pete.

I remember a game at Heinz we were at, winner goes to the Orange Bowl, and only me and my entourage were standing. Tried to tell the fools, you’ll be much warmer if you stand & stomp, rather than sit and freeze.

Guess they never saw ‘The Untouchables’. ;-)

Comment by Emel 03.03.14 @ 8:36 pm

def need some new blood at the pete…I’ve been very disappointed in the few games I’ve been at the last couple year….gotta get the back toinight tho…can’t have a bad loss!

Comment by Keith 03.03.14 @ 8:38 pm

Tiger Paul was THE MAN!!!! I would take my then girlfriend (now married 37 years to her) for the experience. In fact I got a picture with her and Tiger Paul, it is classic-he is all serious in the picture. PRICELESS!!!!

Comment by pittman4ever 03.03.14 @ 8:40 pm

Is ND really gonna beat UNC??

Comment by Keith 03.03.14 @ 8:43 pm

Tiger was so popular he got the cheerleading coach angry at him. Which led to him getting,,,asked not to show up anymore.

Comment by Emel 03.03.14 @ 8:46 pm

Much better than Mossie Murphy.

Comment by Emel 03.03.14 @ 8:47 pm

Or the dead fish being thrown on. The court

Comment by Dan 72 03.03.14 @ 8:52 pm

That’s what Gilbert Brown should have done to that Villimanilli squirt guard back in the Elite 8.

Comment by Emel 03.03.14 @ 8:57 pm

Whoever has to play the Irish in the ACC tourney is in for a tough game. Hope it’s not Pitt. Terrible homer ref no calls killed ND

Comment by Dan 72 03.03.14 @ 8:57 pm

UNC escapes, shooting 9-21 from the line. Because ND only 5-12. Wy does everyone shoot perfect against Pitt?

Comment by Iron Duke 03.03.14 @ 8:57 pm

lol Dan72…i was at that game,,,with the dead fish tossed on the court…against the Hoopies.

Wasn’t a student yet I don’t think, still in grade school or HS.

Comment by Emel 03.03.14 @ 8:58 pm

From what I remember, it was a pretty fair sized fish, …..somebody brought it in, in a large brown paper bag. haha

Comment by Emel 03.03.14 @ 9:00 pm

Pitt again delayed by an OT meaningless game. Maybe the 6th time this year. Unreal

Comment by Dan 72 03.03.14 @ 9:04 pm

ofcourse this ridiculous games goes into overtime..

Comment by Keith 03.03.14 @ 9:05 pm

espn news is covering the start

Comment by Keith 03.03.14 @ 9:06 pm

student section not full…very sad pitt studetns

Comment by Keith 03.03.14 @ 9:12 pm

Lamar with an insane pass to Talib for a monster dunk! Well done.

Comment by Pitt2Cali 03.03.14 @ 9:13 pm

Lamar with major hops early!

Comment by Dan 72 03.03.14 @ 9:14 pm

Lamar has blown me away with how he has developed even since last year….great player

Comment by Keith 03.03.14 @ 9:14 pm

Do we ever look like we can handle the press??

Comment by Dan 72 03.03.14 @ 9:18 pm

in one word…no Dan72

Comment by Emel 03.03.14 @ 9:23 pm

Kieth… Look for players like Artis, Young, and Newkirk to make that same improvement over the next couple years… I’m hoping the same for Robinson… But for some reason he concerns me…

Comment by Pitt2Cali 03.03.14 @ 9:25 pm

As he drains a 3!!!!

Comment by Pitt2Cali 03.03.14 @ 9:26 pm

Patterson just blew by Warren

Comment by notTimGrgurich 03.03.14 @ 9:27 pm

LAMAR!!

Comment by Keith 03.03.14 @ 9:27 pm

Patterson is feeling it tonight. Going out in style.

Comment by Nick 03.03.14 @ 9:27 pm

Did ya see that last Patterson drive Jamie? ;-)

Comment by Jackagain 03.03.14 @ 9:28 pm

We’re hitting 3′s like ND…

Comment by Jackagain 03.03.14 @ 9:31 pm

I’ve seen enuff……Newkirk needs ALOT of minutes..he’s gonna be a good one

Comment by Keith 03.03.14 @ 9:35 pm

Nuke lookin’ good…

Comment by Jackagain 03.03.14 @ 9:36 pm

Newk lookin’ real good… And only going to get better…

NCST must be kicking themselves right now for letting him get away.

Comment by Pitt2Cali 03.03.14 @ 9:44 pm

Good start, nc state appears young and disorganized. Next year the pack will look like last years team-need to put them away now

Comment by John 03.03.14 @ 9:45 pm

Great energy from the guys tonight… And they look like they’re having fun! Which, if I’m not mistaken, is impossible with Dixon as our coach.

Comment by Pitt2Cali 03.03.14 @ 9:49 pm

Or let them get back in it-at least this to no one can complain about

Comment by John 03.03.14 @ 9:50 pm

So much for a cakewalk

Comment by Iron Duke 03.03.14 @ 9:50 pm

What’s with all the rebounds we gave up at the end? Were our guys afraid they were going to get called for a foul. We sure haven’t had any home cooking from the ref’s so far.

Comment by Jeff 03.03.14 @ 10:05 pm

when they say,,,

‘they get inside and score’, that is saying they’re rooting for the other team..

thx mike patrick, a-hole

Comment by Emel 03.03.14 @ 10:08 pm

figures this little squirt for NCSU is hitting shots against us,,,,yikes

Comment by Emel 03.03.14 @ 10:14 pm

And now it’s micro manage time

Comment by John 03.03.14 @ 10:15 pm

please don’t say that John…pretty please

Comment by Emel 03.03.14 @ 10:17 pm

We might want to deny Warren the ball a little. Just sayin’.

Comment by ECH 03.03.14 @ 10:17 pm

I’m not a big one for gimmick defenses but a box 1 may be the only thing to stop Warren. Very sloppy play by Pitt

Comment by Dan 72 03.03.14 @ 10:17 pm

OREB 8-1 for NCST.

Comment by Jackagain 03.03.14 @ 10:18 pm

clown was 8 for 48 from 3…and has 2 of 3 against us…..unbelievable

Comment by Emel 03.03.14 @ 10:18 pm

So we hit a few shots and then think we don’t have to play defense for the rest of the game.

Comment by Iron Duke 03.03.14 @ 10:22 pm

TJ Warren may have 50 tonight

Comment by Iron Duke 03.03.14 @ 10:23 pm

Wouldn’t be Pitt if it wasn’t a struggle. State has erased a 13 pt Pitt lead and we cannot stop Warren

Comment by Dan 72 03.03.14 @ 10:23 pm

omg JD is gonna draw up a play.,,,,for Joshua Ko maybe….lol

Comment by Emel 03.03.14 @ 10:23 pm

I love pissing away a double digit lead to a guy playing 1 on 5.

Where did I leave my blood pressure meds?

Comment by ECH 03.03.14 @ 10:24 pm

Next 10 min are huge cuz once it gets to final 4 min goodnight nurse

Comment by John 03.03.14 @ 10:24 pm

Pitt needs to play defense. NCS getting easy uncontested shots.

Comment by MariettaMike 03.03.14 @ 10:24 pm

We better get on a little run here and deny Warren the ball here…..it’s not like we score in the last 6 minutes of a game.

Comment by Jackagain 03.03.14 @ 10:25 pm

If they get tight they’ll lose. Not playing d with their feet. Need leadership

Comment by Old School Panther 03.03.14 @ 10:25 pm

this broadcast is NC State centric….fook espn

Comment by Emel 03.03.14 @ 10:25 pm

Hate theses announcers. Very bias on NCS.

Comment by MariettaMike 03.03.14 @ 10:26 pm

uninspired effort by the panthers…….

Comment by dhuffdaddy 03.03.14 @ 10:26 pm

If warren played for jd he would be held to 12pts and not allowed to score one on one in final 9 seconds

Comment by John 03.03.14 @ 10:26 pm

We’ve gone ice cold

Comment by Pitt2Cali 03.03.14 @ 10:27 pm

the zombies are really not into this game….again why do they even come…

Comment by Emel 03.03.14 @ 10:28 pm

They have been biased for NC State for the last ten minutes because we have done absolutely NOTHING for them to talk about.

Comment by ECH 03.03.14 @ 10:28 pm

Lose here and in Clemson good by NCAA.

Comment by Old School Panther 03.03.14 @ 10:28 pm

Did someone drug the Zoo with Zanax?

Comment by Jackagain 03.03.14 @ 10:28 pm

what the hell has changed in the second half?…another JD adjustment??…good lord

Comment by Keith 03.03.14 @ 10:29 pm

Id talk NCState up too, they seem to want to be on the floor unlike pitt

Comment by John 03.03.14 @ 10:29 pm

Pitt coming apart. Maybe we are the ones who should get 11points! Why would anyone ever but Pitt with points? No d at all

Comment by Dan 72 03.03.14 @ 10:29 pm

now nc state flashback…..i hate espn

Comment by Emel 03.03.14 @ 10:29 pm

We got up big and subsequently lost focus… We need to get a micro-managing coach to avoid this in the future. Jamie Dixon is not the answer

Comment by Pitt2Cali 03.03.14 @ 10:30 pm

OK what adjustment can Dixon make? Just kidding, Pitt is soft, has a very average defense and struggle against longer teams that have athletic ability. What happened to this program? Transfers, and Adams aside, middle of the pack team at this point.

Comment by chethejet 03.03.14 @ 10:30 pm

the zoo is just following the zombie lead

Comment by Keith 03.03.14 @ 10:31 pm

it’s not his wrist a-hole it’s his thumb

Comment by Emel 03.03.14 @ 10:31 pm

i’d love to throw darts at Mike Patrick,,,what a boob

Comment by Emel 03.03.14 @ 10:31 pm

We got this. Relax.

Comment by CNorwoodAZ 03.03.14 @ 10:32 pm

Pitt has avoided a “bad” loss all season…let’s see if they can avoid this disaster

Comment by Keith 03.03.14 @ 10:32 pm

We are getting killed on the boards

Comment by Dan 72 03.03.14 @ 10:33 pm

People are always playing out of position at Pitt….what else is new…

Comment by Jackagain 03.03.14 @ 10:34 pm

CNorwoodAZ…your the most optimistic person know…how can you watch pitt sports…and be that way???

Comment by Keith 03.03.14 @ 10:34 pm

That was the Glenlivet talking. And that was a flagrant.

Comment by CNorwoodAZ 03.03.14 @ 10:37 pm

Shooting better from 3 than from the line.

Comment by Iron Duke 03.03.14 @ 10:38 pm

Newkirk breakout game ??

Comment by Emel 03.03.14 @ 10:38 pm

Disaster, Keith? A little dramatic, don’t you think? This is the ACC, every team has good players… No shame, even if we lose… Holy smokes! Quit worrying!

Comment by Pitt2Cali 03.03.14 @ 10:40 pm

NCState is in foul trouble need to attack the basket and make ft

Comment by John 03.03.14 @ 10:40 pm

Get out of the zone NOW

Comment by Iron Duke 03.03.14 @ 10:40 pm

Pitt creates more basketball heroes!

Comment by Dan 72 03.03.14 @ 10:42 pm

Pitt needs to extend the defense,,, they are way too comfortable.

Comment by Emel 03.03.14 @ 10:42 pm

We have just given up playing defense!

Comment by Dan 72 03.03.14 @ 10:43 pm

Pit2Cali….pitt was a 11.5 favorite….I’d say it would be a disaster if we lose?????????

Comment by Keith 03.03.14 @ 10:43 pm

To echo what others have been saying for weeks…right now we see NC State playing loose and with confidence. They smell blood.

Pitt is looking tighter and tighter as the game slips slowly away.

Comment by ECH 03.03.14 @ 10:44 pm

and…the ACC is not good this year

Comment by Keith 03.03.14 @ 10:44 pm

A JD coached team playing tights???….NEVER..lol

Comment by Keith 03.03.14 @ 10:45 pm

Newwwwwwk

Comment by Emel 03.03.14 @ 10:45 pm

What are the chances that Dixon replaces Newkirk with Robinson here?

Comment by CNorwoodAZ 03.03.14 @ 10:45 pm

Nuke trying to save our butts

Comment by Dan 72 03.03.14 @ 10:45 pm

This is way more exciting/entertaining than running away with it… I’m having fun! Thanks again, Pitt!

Comment by Pitt2Cali 03.03.14 @ 10:46 pm

Has anyone seen James Robinson???

Comment by Pitt2Cali 03.03.14 @ 10:47 pm

Only 1:54 till the twilight zone

Comment by John 03.03.14 @ 10:47 pm

Cam Wright can get a job with the CIA after next year, he can disappear into a crowd better than anyone.

Comment by chethejet 03.03.14 @ 10:48 pm

These refs…

Comment by CNorwoodAZ 03.03.14 @ 10:48 pm

We’re getting screwed on fouls now…

Comment by Jackagain 03.03.14 @ 10:48 pm

These are true ACC refs.

Comment by Dan 72 03.03.14 @ 10:48 pm

Foul fest

Comment by Iron Duke 03.03.14 @ 10:49 pm

that is a good question,,, why isn’t Pitt posting up with Lamar…..Coach MM

Comment by Emel 03.03.14 @ 10:50 pm

Dixon will only replace Nuke with JR if we’re up and they’re fouling. (I hope)

Comment by Jackagain 03.03.14 @ 10:50 pm

Entering the twilight zone

Comment by John 03.03.14 @ 10:50 pm

Wow.

Comment by CNorwoodAZ 03.03.14 @ 10:52 pm

What conference is better Kieth? They all suck this year.

Comment by Pitt2Cali 03.03.14 @ 10:52 pm

I stand corrected….Dixon = idiot.

Comment by Jackagain 03.03.14 @ 10:52 pm

Yeah, I think Warren make make some money in June. That’s what an NBA player looks like.

Comment by ECH 03.03.14 @ 10:52 pm

We’re not posting up Lamar because no on our team has ever thrown or needed to learn how to throw an entry pass.

Comment by CNorwoodAZ 03.03.14 @ 10:53 pm

Remember when Pitt was known for defense….

Comment by John 03.03.14 @ 10:53 pm

we’re not going to waste Newk’s 20 point effort are we ?

Comment by Emel 03.03.14 @ 10:53 pm

I wonder if there is a stat for longest 3s given up by a team. I am sure Pitt leads the nation. What a war. Candor wood…still confident??

Comment by Dan 72 03.03.14 @ 10:53 pm

Warren is making everything he throws up.

Comment by MariettaMike 03.03.14 @ 10:53 pm

We have one offensive rebound

Comment by Iron Duke 03.03.14 @ 10:54 pm

warren is 14 of 19 from the floor including 3 of 4 from 3 as well as 6 of 7 from the FT line. unbelievable

Comment by Pitt Dad 03.03.14 @ 10:54 pm

Wow, that three is was a gift and then Warren throws up a prayer and it goes in.

Comment by chethejet 03.03.14 @ 10:55 pm

remember when pitt was good??

Comment by Keith 03.03.14 @ 10:55 pm

Blame that on Dixon being tight, MMike

Comment by Pitt2Cali 03.03.14 @ 10:55 pm

Remember when Keith said something positive??

Comment by CNorwoodAZ 03.03.14 @ 10:56 pm

They’re 22-7, Keith… Holy smokes!

Comment by Pitt2Cali 03.03.14 @ 10:56 pm

jackagain…..now now…your not allowed to make any negative posts about JD….people around here get very upset

Comment by Keith 03.03.14 @ 10:56 pm

Nuke is 7-8 & 5-5 on 3′s and on the bench.

Comment by Jackagain 03.03.14 @ 10:57 pm

Of course he misses and they get the rebound

Comment by John 03.03.14 @ 10:57 pm

Remember when Pitt was horrible, Keith? I don’t.

Comment by Pitt2Cali 03.03.14 @ 10:58 pm

Nest owns the boards and 2nd chances. This is not looking good

Comment by Dan 72 03.03.14 @ 10:58 pm

I gave them credit for winning on Saturday…no help from JD tho

Comment by Keith 03.03.14 @ 10:58 pm

REBOUND, for Pete’s sake

Comment by xfmrman 03.03.14 @ 10:58 pm

When’s the last time we’ve lost more than we’ve won

Comment by Pitt2Cali 03.03.14 @ 10:58 pm

hey…if you guys are happy with the past few years..thats fine..I’m not

Comment by Keith 03.03.14 @ 10:59 pm

What has happened to James Robinson? My goodness.

Comment by CNorwoodAZ 03.03.14 @ 10:59 pm

another JR airball,,,he was the choice ?

Comment by Emel 03.03.14 @ 11:00 pm

Terrible loss disgraceful embarrassment

Comment by Dan 72 03.03.14 @ 11:00 pm

I hope Robinson is hurt because he is really struggling

Comment by Iron Duke 03.03.14 @ 11:00 pm

can’t believe Pitt is losing to NC state at home.

Comment by chethejet 03.03.14 @ 11:01 pm

Any Dixon defenders still out there? Pinhead AD, lightweight basketball coach.

Comment by PO'd Panther 03.03.14 @ 11:01 pm

game over….meh

Comment by Emel 03.03.14 @ 11:01 pm

Remember when this blog was only Pitt Alumni, I do.
Hail Pitt

Comment by Justin 03.03.14 @ 11:02 pm

Welp… that was a disaster.

Comment by Mailman 03.03.14 @ 11:02 pm

TJ Warren was red hot… We were ice cold… Tough loss… But what can you do?

Comment by Pitt2Cali 03.03.14 @ 11:02 pm

Too much Warren. So much for being 11 point favorites.

Comment by MariettaMike 03.03.14 @ 11:03 pm

Pitt -11….not a good bet.

I had a bad feeling and much anxiety earlier this evening…

At least we ordered chinese delivery…not a lost night

Comment by Emel 03.03.14 @ 11:03 pm

So, back to the bubble watch? Or did the Notre Dame win seal the deal?

Comment by CNorwoodAZ 03.03.14 @ 11:04 pm

Newkirk played a hell of a game. The rest of that entire team should be embarrassed. Every coach, every player…shouldn’t sleep tonight.

You absolutely CAN NOT piss away an 11 point lead at home. To ONE FRIGGIN’ GUY to boot.

Awful.

Comment by ECH 03.03.14 @ 11:04 pm

Patterson left 5 points on the FT line while Zanna went 5 of 6. Unacceptable.

Comment by Pitt Dad 03.03.14 @ 11:04 pm

I am truly crestfallen.
This team has regressed throughout the season.
The way that they are playing, they do not deserve to be in the NCAA Tourny.

Comment by xfmrman 03.03.14 @ 11:05 pm

Wonderful senior pride. A loss to Clemson will put us on the NCAA bubble at best

Comment by Dan 72 03.03.14 @ 11:05 pm

NIT

Comment by Antiguafor200Alex 03.03.14 @ 11:05 pm

I have given no credence to the bubble talk, but if we end up with 10 losses, it is quite possible we will be NIT bound.

Comment by Iron Duke 03.03.14 @ 11:05 pm

playing our way to the bubble….and next is a road trip to mini Death Valley.

They will be wanting some….’get some’, after that beatdown we put on them.

Comment by Emel 03.03.14 @ 11:05 pm

Patterson shot 33%. He took 28.5 % of our shots. The rest of the team shot almost 57%.

LP had an off night and there’s the difference in this game. If he shoots his average, even if we don’t rebound, we win.

H2P!!!

Comment by Pitt Dad 03.03.14 @ 11:06 pm

Well, how many times have we seen this story? A player has the game of a lifetime against us.

Comment by HbgFrank 03.03.14 @ 11:07 pm

this team sux at home the last 6 weeks.

crestfallen….i like it…nice xfmrman

Comment by Emel 03.03.14 @ 11:08 pm

HbgFrank:

All too often.

Comment by xfmrman 03.03.14 @ 11:08 pm

I’m sure JD will blame the rebounding and say..we have to get better….maybe he should take some responsibility and say…”I” should get better…

Comment by Keith 03.03.14 @ 11:08 pm

Their star went off. Our star went cold. Newk tried to step up but we needed LP too.

Comment by Pitt Dad 03.03.14 @ 11:08 pm

NC State scored 74 points. Their other four starters combined scored 12. Also, looks like someone else realized that Cam Wright (not Lamar) is the key to our team. 0-1 from the floor, 0 FT attempts, 0 points, 0 rebounds. H

Comment by CNorwoodAZ 03.03.14 @ 11:10 pm

wow our friends at espn, have already posted our loss in the standings.

Comment by Emel 03.03.14 @ 11:10 pm

Lol! How can you possibly blame Dixon for this loss? Lol! TJ Warren had absolutely NOTHING to do with it, right?

Pitt played a pretty good game… Warren was unstoppable. Shit happens.

I don’t know why some of you look for someone to blame for every loss… Can you ever give the other guy credit?!? Lol! That’s a dumb question. Never mind. Carry on…

Comment by Pitt2Cali 03.03.14 @ 11:10 pm

and I can’t believe everyone that’s on here that seems to be ok with what’s happening….this program was on the brink of being an “elite” bball program….and the last three years have not been good…everyone on here is like the crowd at the pete….lazy and uninterested!!

Comment by Keith 03.03.14 @ 11:11 pm

Emel:

I do not like it. The feeling sucks.
I had such high expectations for this team….

Comment by xfmrman 03.03.14 @ 11:11 pm

Have always been supportive of Dixon but maybe it is time for a change. This team is slow and unathletic and he is the guy that recruited them. They couldn’t match up either man or zone tonight. Losing record at the Pete, hard to believe. Least I won’t be fooled and have them ruin my bracket.

Comment by cas myzlinski 03.03.14 @ 11:11 pm

At least we can’t blame this one on the offense. Shot 50% and made 10 threes. Out rebounded by 12 (12!!!) and played very poor defense. I get the zone in spots and the refs were whistle happy tonight, but just like the UNC game, we stayed in the zone way way too long. Like four 3-pointers too long.

Comment by Iron Duke 03.03.14 @ 11:11 pm

Robert Morris vs Pitt NIT

Comment by Chick 03.03.14 @ 11:11 pm

Patterson wasn’t great tonite….but come on, he still had some great passes and 17 pts.

On the other hand, Wright & Robinson had a combined…..5 points.

Comment by Emel 03.03.14 @ 11:12 pm

Out played all second half because NCState was loose played with nothing to lose. Pitt just always plays so tight on o and brainless on d. Clemson will be a different team than last we saw them.

Comment by John 03.03.14 @ 11:12 pm

Anyone who would give Dixon a 10 year contract needs to go, period. The guy who won’t own up to one of the biggest bonehead coaching moves in history against Notre Dame, let alone the infamous Nasir Robinson foul against Butler. Ad infinitum. This guy stinks. Period. The greatest mystery in basketball history has to be how this guy wound up with one of the best records in the Big East. Even the frigging announcer was crying out for Patterson to post up on the point guard who was on him. For almost the entire second half.

I stop drinking the Dixon kool aid years ago.

Comment by PO'd Panther 03.03.14 @ 11:13 pm

The people on here who call for Dixon to be fired after losses like this are completely ridiculous. What school do you think Pitt is? What coach would you want aside from him? This idea that a coach who’s better than him will come to Pitt is laughable.

Comment by Patmac 03.03.14 @ 11:13 pm

IF pitt makes the tournament….they will get embarrassed….I kinda can see us in the 12 vs 12 play in game…ugh

Comment by Keith 03.03.14 @ 11:14 pm

we shot 50% FG and almost 50% from 3

we got killed on the boards….35-23,,,,someone said earlier tonite, the Pack couldn’t rebound.

who was that ?

Comment by Emel 03.03.14 @ 11:14 pm

Chick, no way. The Colonials are going to the Big Dance.

Comment by Iron Duke 03.03.14 @ 11:15 pm

Definitely a tough loss at home. Newkirk had a super game. Pitt will be fine come tournament time. One more game and let’s hope Pitt will finish with a W going into ACC tournament.

Comment by MariettaMike 03.03.14 @ 11:15 pm

The losses at home are concerning though… The Pete can no longer be considered a tough place to visit… Hope we can get that home court advantage back someday…

Comment by Pitt2Cali 03.03.14 @ 11:16 pm

Why wouldn’t Greg Marshall come to Pitt ?

Why wouldn’t Dana Altman come to Pitt ?

Not saying I want JD gone, but this talk about no coaches out there is ridic. Shaka Smart anyone.

Comment by Emel 03.03.14 @ 11:16 pm

I have to disagree MM. There is nothing “fine” about the Pitt basketball program right now. Unless, you are talking about the line we are walking between NCAA and NIT tourneys.

Comment by ECH 03.03.14 @ 11:17 pm

Patmac….i’ll tell you who pitt is…..they were on the freakn brink of being an ELITE program..and now we have fallen back to the middle of the pack….I seriously can’t believe you people are ok with this…we were 4-5 at home against conf apponents….it’s RIDICULOUS….and you people that are ok with it is embarrassing!!

Comment by Keith 03.03.14 @ 11:18 pm

Blame that on Dixon being tight, MMike
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Comment by MariettaMike 03.03.14 @ 11:18 pm

This team has no MO….mariettamike…many seasons have ended this way…..it’s sad….

Comment by Emel 03.03.14 @ 11:18 pm

So Emel, you’re suggesting that Pitt will pluck away a coach from Oregon, a school with an athletic department that is clearly committed to winning. OK.

Comment by Patmac 03.03.14 @ 11:19 pm

Keith, look at the recruits Pitt has lined up over the next few years. Pitt is not getting a coach who’s better than Dixon.

Comment by Patmac 03.03.14 @ 11:20 pm

THIS PROGRAM WILL NEVER GET TO WHERE WE WANT IT WITH JD HERE…..GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEADS!!!

Comment by Keith 03.03.14 @ 11:20 pm

Pitt just looks tired, which is shocking to me. Any player that says he is tired after 28 games has no chance to get to the next level. If you are tired at 28 games, imagine after 82. Pitt players are soft, out of shape and slow, except Newkirk. He has a lot of energy and that is because he wasn’t overplayed this year.

This is why Pitt can’t advance in the tourney. They are too tired and can’t go to the next level offensively or defensively. Robinson looked terrible. Patterson unfortunately was guarding Warren a lot. Bad defensive effort as I mentioned a few hours ago. You can see the burnout on the team.

OMG, I just figured it out. Teams usually take on the persona of their head coach. Our head coach panics and makes bad decisions. Our players panic and make bad decisions. hmmmmph! Clemson is now a must win plus a tournament win to get to the big dance. Good thing Kansas St. got it handed to them a little bit tonight although they lost to a better team. We didn’t. Bounce back Pitt, cmon!

Comment by dhuffdaddy 03.03.14 @ 11:21 pm

We are just not a very good team. Injuries, bad match ups and the total disappearance of JR and Wright. Dixon deserves his share of the blame but Wooden could not have coached this team to a win. Team played with all the joy and exhilaration of HCPC. That was most disappointing !

Comment by Dan 72 03.03.14 @ 11:21 pm

@ECH — We’ll just see out it plays out. Give credit to NCS for playing desperate and getting the ball to Warren.

Comment by MariettaMike 03.03.14 @ 11:21 pm

you’re right Keith…with all the misses in recruiting it’s adding up. Next year will be worse unless they cut loose 2 -3 more guys and bring in some players that can play immediately and JD gets un-constipated.

Comment by Emel 03.03.14 @ 11:22 pm

Patmac…your assuming those commits will actually come….don’t be surprised if they go somewhere else…

Comment by Keith 03.03.14 @ 11:22 pm

Home record is a HUGE issue, if Duke loses 2 times at home it’s a national emergency. You want to be good then best FSU and NCState at home. Syr UVA and Duke are ok but the other two are inexcusable

Comment by John 03.03.14 @ 11:26 pm

I do believe I’ve seen enough from James Robinson. And no this isn’t a start Newkirk rant. A below avg shooter, a step slow on defense and lacks explosion to the basket. Pitt simply doesn’t have enough talent anymore, and JR is one of the prime examples. I’m sure he’s a good kid and he plays the game hard but there’s enough evidence at this point to show he’s nothing special.

Comment by WorkinOnMyPittness 03.03.14 @ 11:27 pm

I am so proud to be a pitt supporter..but it’s tough…we have an idiot for an AD and a coach in JD that refuses to change his style…I think Paul Chryst is gonna be fine actually….but it’s hard being a pitt fan….disappointment after disappointment….I’m tired of it…and I’m pissed!!

Comment by Keith 03.03.14 @ 11:28 pm

Yeah warren played well but our d flat out stunk. Pitt was known for tough shut down d for 10 years. The last 3 that has evaporated. Once you lose your identity it’s tough to get it back aka Steelers

Comment by John 03.03.14 @ 11:28 pm

@ Patmac

meant Greg McDermott….my bad.

Named the 16th head coach in Creighton men’s basketball history on April 27, 2010, McDermott has gone 80-30 in his first three seasons, while returning the program to the national rankings with an up-tempo style of play that has fans turning out in record numbers.

The Pete needs energized again. I think they’re tired of slog ball.

Comment by Emel 03.03.14 @ 11:29 pm

totally agree with JR…..but JD loves to slow it down and run his stupid sets that last 30 seconds….so that’s what we have to deal with..it’s not fun to watch

Comment by Keith 03.03.14 @ 11:30 pm

I know I am.

Comment by Emel 03.03.14 @ 11:31 pm

We lost this game last 4 mins of first half. Having an instinctive feel for the game Dixon made wholesale substitutions disrupting the group that was crushing them. Ok, we probably don’t practicd box & 1 so you do what any street smart Rucker coach would do, you spend 10 – 13 fouls on Warren. Put him on the line, don’t let him take control. It takes an announcer to point oug that Patterson should post the mismatch. Zanna disappeared when a few boards would havd made a difference. This 2nd consecutive home loss to ACC teams below us could mean bubble. Clemson wins they have 5th berth. The pathetic thing is if we see NC State again in the NIT Jamie will play them same way.

Comment by Old School Panther 03.03.14 @ 11:32 pm

Keith, we must have been living in different worlds the past 10 years. On the verge of being an elite basketball program? Really? When? That one year we cracked the top 40 in recruiting classes?

We’ve had 10 years of hard working, likeable, junkyard players that no one else wanted that overachieved in their senior seasons and only slightly overachieved more than they underachieved playing a brand of basketball that no one was really excited to watch. How is that any different from this year’s team? Or last year’s team or the year before?

The two seasons we finished in the top 10, we graduated 4 seniors and had a sophomore go pro from one and graduated 3 of our top players the next. That’s not on the verge of being elite. That’s Wichita State.

Not saying I like it, but let’s not rewrite history either.

Comment by CNorwoodAZ 03.03.14 @ 11:33 pm

I’m done for the night…I’m to pissed for any more thoughts…

Comment by Keith 03.03.14 @ 11:33 pm

How come we didn’t put a bigger guy like Young on Warren? Also we didn’t do any doubling on him at all like we did in the game at NCSU.

You had one guy go after the ball from the weak side, harassing Warren in that game. It was enough to make him feel a little uncomfortable, tonite nothing.

Comment by Emel 03.03.14 @ 11:35 pm

The only thing that embarrasses me is the people that think we’re Kansas or Kentucky… Pitt is Pitt… We’re not going to be “elite” year in and year out… By the way… We have just as many wins as Kansas this year and one more than Kentucky… A little perspective will keep you sane… And hopefully stop embarrassing yourselves….

Comment by Pitt2Cali 03.03.14 @ 11:36 pm

TJ Warren had 41 pts.

Pitt’s starting five? 40 points collectively.

What a f’in joke.

Comment by WorkinOnMyPittness 03.03.14 @ 11:36 pm

Pitt looked to be on the verge of being a really good program. Now my expectations are lower and no longer see Pitt as a consistently good program. Dixon will be here for years as Pitt wont eat that contract. I am not sure if it has a buyout but it really doesn’t matter. Just don’t see this program ever being elite so enjoy the nice wins and keep things in perspective.

Comment by chethejet 03.03.14 @ 11:36 pm

Come on Pitt2Cali…..Kansas has won the BIg 12 conference 10 years in a row and always has a chance to go deep in the tournament.

For all the money Pitt has spent in hoops($200-$300 million)(not counting JD’s contracts), and all the wins we have over the last 12 years, we should be elite by now.

Comment by Emel 03.03.14 @ 11:41 pm

I don’t know if “elite” is where we should be. But, I don’t think it’s unreasonable to have expected to have won a few of these epic disappointments.

The overwhelming difficulty in closing out games this year is indicative of something amiss.

Comment by ECH 03.03.14 @ 11:46 pm

Pretty sure you guys have said everything. Not much to add.

This is just beyond frustrating. I can’t believe how beatable at home this team has become. Teams used to come in here intimidated, not at all anymore.

What’s worse is next year does not look a whole lot better. Losing 2 productive seniors, playing in the Maui Invitational, and the ACC is actually down this year. Next year may be worse.

Still not sure how this season ends, but I see one and done as a real possibility. Our last win in the tournament was against #14 seed UNC Ashville in 2011.

Things have to change. Quick. This program is flirting with mediocrity…

Comment by Pap76 03.03.14 @ 11:50 pm

You all need to stop acting like the Pete is a home court advantage. People showed up to two games all season. The crowd has been pathetic. I’m embarrassed to be a Pitt fan. And don’t blame the lack of crowd on slog ball nonsense. People didn’t show up when Pitt was scoring a ton before DJ answer.

I honestly don’t know what you expect from Dixon. You want him to recruit better but some of this years struggles are cause he recruited a 1 and done center. When they got Adams that meant no center for Adams year. When Adams left early unexpectedly Pitt tried to scramble to get a C. Their scramble failed.

Warren had an awesome game. He wasn’t missing from anywhere. Not much you can do when a dude is hitting tough shots.

Dixon stinks as a coach but his program is so good that any coach would come to Pitt. That sure makes a lot of sense. Schools like USC have trouble finding coaches. Good luck trying to convince a coach to come to Pitt after firing a coach who makes the tournament over 90% of the time. I’m sure everyone will be lining up to be coach especially with how many elite recruits are in western PA.

Comment by Wardapalooza 03.03.14 @ 11:50 pm

Contrary to my last post, Emel, I agree we should be more elite in that we should be attracting better recruits. I think I mentioned the other day, but that is my biggest gripe with JDix. For some reason almost no top flight players even give us a sniff.

It’s a catch 22. We absolutely, UNEQUIVOCALLY, have all the wins that we have because of Jamie Dixon and the philosophy/system that we he has put in place. Getting low radar players, getting them to work hard (“buy in”) and be better than average players and the best players they will ever be in their senior years. THAT IS PITT BASKETBALL.

The question is can Dixon transition the program to becoming elite by mixing in a few top tier players until that becomes the norm. Can he do it? No clue. He tried with Birch, he tried with Adams and we know how both of those turned out so it’s reasonable to doubt.

It’s not going to happen overnight though. And I think he has MORE than earned the chance to make that change though. If we are having this same conversation in two years because he hasn’t continued to try to transition or continues to fail, then that’s a different story.

Comment by CNorwoodAZ 03.03.14 @ 11:54 pm

Nobody recruited next year unless Mostella gets miraculously eligible will make much of a difference next year. 2 of them are redshirt material. The following year we only have a verbal from Wilson.

If he doesn’t bring his buds from that same high school. We’re in some serious trouble.

Anything after that is way too far in advance to even contemplate the kid in a Pitt uni.

The ACC has 6 schools next year with Top 25 recruiting classes, not counting Louisville.

We can barely beat BC, Va Tech and Miami with 5th year seniors. And already have lost stmt games at home to FSU & NCSU.

JD and Slice better hit the road hard and don’t come back until they get some players signed on the dotted line, that aren’t academic question marks. The late signee’s last year(Uchebo & Mostella), added nothing. Got us excited for nothing, almost like they were added just to deflect the heat.

Comment by Emel 03.03.14 @ 11:56 pm

Y’all are a bunch of delusional people who somehow think making the tournament in rebuilding years makes Pitt bad. Purdue has a really good coach. How are they doing this year? How’s Kentucky done the past two years? Last year missed tournament. This year about as mediocre as Pitt with some bad losses.

Guess what if you make the tournament 10 of 11 years you are really good. The same people who are complaining about Pitt not being good enough this year are the people who wrote off the season and said I was an idiot when I said Pitt wouldn’t suck this year. Like I said its nice to be negative because you just always change what you complain about.

Comment by Wardapalooza 03.03.14 @ 11:58 pm

Just for shits and giggles I looked back and over the last 3 years, Pitt is 4-14 v Top 25 teams when we played them.And 9-16 in games decided by 5 points or less.

Not really sure it is scientifically indicative of anything. Just interesting trends.

Comment by ECH 03.03.14 @ 11:59 pm

Then so should 40 other teams, Emel. it’s just not throwing money at it… There’s some degree of timing and luck involved… Maybe someday well have that combo

Comment by Pitt2Cali 03.04.14 @ 12:01 am

An example of how this program is faltering, is this year we have 2 fifth year seniors who are carrying the team.

Next year we have one fourth year senior, Wright.

Next years junior class consists of Robinson and Johnson. That’s it.

We are in a weaker conference for sure, but the program is getting weaker. Good thing we moved.

Comment by Emel 03.04.14 @ 12:05 am

Emel. Would you agree that it is fair to say that the program is faltering currently because of the combination of 1) several recruiting misses (birch, trey ziegler and adams) and some player management problems (JJ moore, malcolm gilbert, john johnson)?

Comment by CNorwoodAZ 03.04.14 @ 12:11 am

Tough loss, just could not put them away when we should have. Very bad games from Wright and Robinson, partially due to foul trouble. Robinson is definitely hurt. Looks like a thigh or some other muscle, not a knee.

No rebounds from Zanna.

Once they took the lead they kept gaining confidence. Warren was a beast, every thing he threw up went in. They got key shots from others when they needed them.

Newkirk was on fire, real nice game.

Warren definitely league MVP. We had no answer.

One thing for sure, we need some bigger stronger guys to play in this conference.

Also, the myth that we play defense should be over, it has not been true for several years.

Comment by gc 03.04.14 @ 12:12 am

Yes CN…also some poor talent evaluation. For instance Malcom Gilbert should have never even been recruited.

His numbers at Fairfield. For a scrub scrub team that is 7 wins 24 losses.

Gilbert is avg’g 2.6 ppg and 2.8 rpg in 27 games.

You can have 1 year where you miss some, but as our upper classmen suggest after this year, it’s been several years of recruiting blunders. Doesn’t take long for a program to tumble in hoops.

Comment by Emel 03.04.14 @ 12:15 am

One last thought and a few facts. I saw terrible telegraphed passes from Pitt tonight, something I have not seen all year. We were really trying to force the ball.

The facts are these. Every year Dixon has coached, we have been the kings of December and early January and looked tired And less enthusiastic in Feb and March. Record reflects that. And here we are again!

Comment by Dan 72 03.04.14 @ 12:16 am

We could not get a defensive stop in the second half. A lot of that was Warren, but we used to be able to handle a team with one great player.

It may be the change in refereeing, anyone that breathed hard on Warren got called.

Comment by gc 03.04.14 @ 12:18 am

The one & done thing with Adams is a mute point. He was supposed to be one & done all along.

So you have to factor that into the recruiting. If he stayed well it was a bonus.

His answer was signing a stiff and a cripple in desperation.

Comment by Emel 03.04.14 @ 12:19 am

Good point Emel. I probably should have included Gilbert in the recruiting misses category.

Comment by CNorwoodAZ 03.04.14 @ 12:20 am

I’m not 100% sure about that Emel. I really think Jamie (mistakenly and/or foolishly) thought he would have Adams for two seasons. If he didn’t, our signing of a hurt Uchebo 4 months before the season is unfathomable.

Comment by CNorwoodAZ 03.04.14 @ 12:27 am

We would be finally getting Maui next year. I really hope it’s a weak field out there.

I just don’t see Young playing the 5, it would be a real waste of his talent and shooting ability.

Comment by Emel 03.04.14 @ 12:28 am

CN

Adams told Dixon he was gone in late March, early April. After he went to Australia after we flamed out of the NCAA’s.

Uchebo wasn’t signed until May 6th.

link to collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com

Comment by Emel 03.04.14 @ 12:31 am

With the success Dixon has had there is just no way Pitt can even contemplate making a change. As @CNorwoodAZ said, Jamie has earned the right to fix this. He has been more willing to play freshman than in the past, although in a couple cases he has had no other choice.

Sometimes I think we are being unreasonable, If this team makes the tournament, then Dixon has still only missed it once in his tenure.

But I don’t think anyone can say there aren’t some legitimate concerns and there is evidence this program has become stagnant.

Dixon set the bar high, and as fans we want more. Everything is there for this program to be a consistent top tier program.

I hope Dixon sees what some of us do, and looks for ways to get this program to where it can go.

I haven’t given up. I still think we have a good coach, who wants to be here and isn’t looking for his next job.

The next few years are very important to this program and for Jamie Dixon…

Comment by Pap76 03.04.14 @ 12:31 am

If Aaron Gordan and Nick Johnson stay for Arizona, they are going to be very scary next year in Maui. They had one senior who rarely played honored at senior night last night.

Comment by CNorwoodAZ 03.04.14 @ 12:33 am

Emel. That’s my point though. If Dixon thought Adams was leaving, we should have had a big man signed in the fall of 2012, not taking a questionably healthy transfer in the spring of 2013. If he KNEW and the best we could do was Uchebo then that bordering on unacceptable. Perhaps I’m giving the benefit of the doubt mistakenly.

Comment by CNorwoodAZ 03.04.14 @ 12:39 am

This team has lost some very close games to some of the better teams in country with NO NBA players on the roster.

We are not DUKE, NC, Kansas, or Kentucky yet and have yet to recruit the same type of players those schools get year in and year out and yet this team has shown it can play with anyone in the country and has had a shot of winning most of games we lost. Many of you complained about the SOS early in the year and yet it seems you bought into those early wins with this team.

We lost a very good player Durand Johnson to injury not to mention that JJ Moore & Steve Adams both left. We have 3 freshmen playing considerable time because of this and Zana is NOT really a center. At the start of the season to make the tourney with this team would look like a good coaching job and yet people on here want to blame Jamie Dixon for every loss and expect to win every game.

I feel very confident in saying that Jamie will have a Pitt team in the final four in the next 4 years. We will get the foul call, or the last second 3, or have a guy in the zone at tourney time.

If your pissed I get it I think ALL Pitt fans are are but coming down on the program and the best coach in it’s history (JD is that guy) isn’t going to put anymore points on the board or remove the L off the record so what’s the point?

Comment by Tony In Harrisburg 03.04.14 @ 12:51 am

I’m upset with myself for letting my expectations get to high. I should have saw it coming after barely beating BC and ND two of he worst teams in the acc. I sit and wonder how every team we play manages to shoot lights out or at least better then their averages and finally I let myself see that pitt is simply atrocious on defense. Just another player to notch a career high against pitt 41 points god I’m gonna throw up again then pass out from the bottle of jack this shitty ass team makes me drink

Comment by Carey 03.04.14 @ 1:20 am

@Tony In Harrisburg:

Good post man. Sometimes I think we’re spoiled.

The one thing you said though, the no NBA players on the roster. That is what a lot of us can’t grasp. This program should be able to attract more of those types of players. whether it is Jamie not wanting to go after that kind of kid, or that kind of kid not wanting to play in this system is the question.

The bottom line is, Pitt needs better players. There are times where it is so apparent we just don’t have the athletes some of the other teams in our conference has.

I have always believed it was just a matter of time before Dixon got this team to the final four. I have to admit I”m not as sure anymore.

Said it in my previous post, next few years are very important for Dixon and this program…

Comment by Pap76 03.04.14 @ 1:30 am

Does Pitt ever invited potential recruits to pro day? This could be you in about 4 years kind of thing

Comment by DCPinPGH 03.04.14 @ 3:22 am

Driving to the airport this morning I was listening to 93.7 the Fan. Immediately heard the host talking about how Pitt played itself onto the bubble. Didn’t think too much of it, until I realized, this wasn’t a local guy, this was CBS Radio. Then in the next segment, they had their college basketball guy on who said the same thing. One win against the top 50 and that was in December.

Let the bubble talk begin.

Better Win in Clemson and get one win in ACC or it is NIT.

Comment by Boubacar Aw 03.04.14 @ 5:23 am

I am by no means making excuses, BUT the way that game was officiated had a material impact on the outcome. I don’t think the calls were biased, but the game was called differently than any other game I’ve seen this year. There were many more, touch fouls called. Certainly foul trouble on Wright, Robinson and Patterson had an impact on how Pitt defended (or didn’t) Warren. It also caused Jamie to play too much zone. Both of which contributed to Warren getting hot and once someone gets hot, it is tough to cool him down, especially if you’re in foul trouble.

Hindsight being 20/20, I would have liked to have seen Jamie come out of the zone quicker and let Young/Artis try to force Warren to put it on the floor and drive, where maybe they could have had some help.

No excuse for the lack of offensive rebounds, though.

Comment by Boubacar Aw 03.04.14 @ 5:55 am

That’s a damn bold projection: Dixon’s team in the final 4 by 2018. From where this program is now that’s a wish list projection. The system created by Ben and sustained by his asst coach Dixon was predicated on given components: angry defense, boxing and clawing for bounds being the core. That core has eroded over last 3 years and with it the energy and vibe of the team and its home venue.

Dixon deserves praise for sustaining the core & vibe that kept Pitt relevant in the BE; however now he’s challenged to resurrect the program as an outsider in new conference. I don’t think he knows how to use a new model, the kids he has now don’t play defense not because they can’t, because they don’t want to. Everything about Dixon is trending down. I think its more likely in 4 years we’ll look back at the blown opportunities v Villanova and Butler as the Dixon era highpoints.

Comment by Old School Panther 03.04.14 @ 6:24 am

I thought that Pitt looked winded at the 5 minutes to go mark. Zana usually runs the floor but I watched the NC State state sprint down the floor, Zana ran. The NC center scored. Maybe the overtime games are catching up to us. H2P

Comment by Caw Miller 03.04.14 @ 7:07 am

Harsh reality is that they just aren’t good and the talent is not there to be good. We all should have known that Cam is what he is and would not start on a good D1 team. The same for Lamar and Zanna. They are D1 players but cannot carry a team. Pitino was on college sports yesterday and said that you need 3 all conf. Players to win a conf. Championship ang 3 NBA type players to win a national championship. We have no NBA players. The closest we have come is with the Blair/Young team and they went about as far as they could go. Need much better talent to make a run.

Durand was the closest thing we had to a top talent athletically but they made him the 6th man. That is the JD way.

Comment by Jp 03.04.14 @ 7:33 am

Boubacar – I agree with you, the fouls really hurt the defense and forced the zone. Which affected the rebounding. But even so, Pitt has rebounded well out of the zone before.

Outrebounded by 16 to one of the worst rebounding teams in the conference? That’s where I think the game was lost.

Comment by KeyboardKev 03.04.14 @ 7:50 am

Last night made me realize, this team is really the same mix of players we have had for years. Same level of talent. With one difference. We might not have had more gifted scorers in the past (with exceptions), but we ALWAYS had above average talent on the defensive side. We have not had that for 2 years now.

I am not giving up on this team. But after last night my mind started to wander to the question: will we be better, the same, or worse next year?

Comment by DD 03.04.14 @ 8:02 am

It’s not a trend down. I’m still waiting for someone to provide a coherent argument why last year was not a good year. And this year isn’t that bad for a transition year filled with injuries. I’ve been plenty frustrated. But Pitt has lost a lot of close game. I realize you need to win the games. But I’m saying that it shows Pitt isn’t that far off from being good. And the most important thing about Dixon is that his recruiting isn’t trending down. Wilson is a really good recruit, Herron and Rowan are elite and they have a really good chance of landing Diallo.

You want Pitt to recruit elite talent but then you don’t realize that sometimes it will make you leaving. Birch leaving is the killer. If Birch was on Pitt, then Pitt would be a legit contender this year. It’s not Dixon’s fault Birch left. He left because the guy who recruited him wasn’t’ there. But say Dixon would have recruited a Chevy type guy instead, most of you would have said blah he’s not elite, but that kind of player would have helped this year’s team a lot. You can’t have it both ways. When you start recruiting elite talent you are going to have bigger swings in performance.

Pitt could make the Final Four in 2015-2016 really easily. 2015 is going to be a really good class, JR and DJ will be seniors and all the Freshman will be battle tested Juniors. 2016

I think James Robinson slows down the offense more than Dixon does. James Robinson was in foul trouble most of last night and there was rarely any burn down the clock. Newkirk will push Robinson a ton. Robinson better work on his game this offseason.

Jp, since I always pay extra attention when DJ is in the games, DJ was not ready to start until right before he got hurt. His freshman year and the start of this year he was mistake prone and a bit of a gunner. But then something clicked and right before he got hurt he was doing all the little things. I actually liked DJ coming off the bench because he gave the team instant offense. Starting doesn’t matter, minutes are what really matter.

Comment by Wardapalooza 03.04.14 @ 8:08 am

Boubacar, good point about the zone. Staying in the zone too long also really hurt Pitt against UNC. It’s hard to rebound out of the zone and we saw that last night.

Comment by Wardapalooza 03.04.14 @ 8:09 am

for those who need a change in subject to preserve their mental health, here is interesting blog from Panther Prey

link to panthersprey.blogspot.com

Comment by wbb 03.04.14 @ 8:18 am

Not only did that asinine TO in ND almost cost the game it required expenditure of high level energy for addnl 5 mins. Clemson game for NCAA berth. Beware the refs.

Comment by Old School Panther 03.04.14 @ 8:33 am

I agree that the OT win at ND cost Pitt last night as our big guy looked tired. NCS out rebounded us and that was the difference in the game. I also think Newkirk was as hot as Wsrren except Warren playe twice as long as Newkirk. Jamie need to reassess his starters. Perhaps Robinson should sitt more. But that’s my opinion. Jamie knows best.

Pitt is on the bubble according to USA Today but as someone on this blog mentioned, USA Today is the least reliable sports prognosticator and should not be taken seriously. But…

Comment by MariettaMike 03.04.14 @ 8:53 am

Jamie’s record as a coach is starting to look inflated. This year has been a real eye opener to his MO. Load up on patsies and win 20 / make the tournament and everyone thinks you are a great coach.

Comment by Pitt fan in Atlanta 03.04.14 @ 9:11 am

Wardapalooza: Your post about the bright future of the Pitt program is more than a bit off. Next years recruiting is the worst in the ACC with very little near term help. As far as Heron and Rowan, three years is a long way off. If they both improve Kentucky, Kansas and Syracuse will come calling. I doubt that either will end up at Pitt. I hope I’m wrong but the program under Dixon doesnt look to bright

Comment by Chick 03.04.14 @ 9:16 am

Jerry Palm has us mired deep in the bubble too. If we lose to Clemson I don’t think anything less than a run to the ACC champ game will save us.

Comment by ECH 03.04.14 @ 9:19 am

ECH, you are probably correct, and the pre-season schedule will come back to haunt us.

Comment by wbb 03.04.14 @ 9:44 am

I see no passion or excitement on these kids faces or actions. No joy of playing the game.

Been that way for about 3 years now. Don’t know why.

Like they’re in a trance.

Comment by Dan 03.04.14 @ 9:45 am

Hear some people say “The Pete’s lost it’s luster, not so hard to play at anymore”.

Thanks Mr. Obvious. The Pitt teams haven’t been as good as they have been in the past.

Hence, we lose more games, even at home.

Some real genius’ out there.

Comment by Dan 03.04.14 @ 9:49 am

Dan, I think it comes down to what Dick Groat said after the FSU loss: these kids are working basketball, not playing it.

It’s a game. It has to be fun, you have to have confidence that the next possession, the next shot, the next defensive stop is going to be successful. You could see the tension rise again last night when Warren got nuclear hot in the second half. Every shot he took was done confidently. Then the other NCSU guards started stepping into their shots and the dam was broke.

Pitt conversely continued to tighten. Lamar was frustrated at the foul line, the defense grew frustrated with every made shot by Warren, then on offense they started to pass up on open looks in search of the “perfect play” that rarely materialized.

The mojo is lost. It’s up to the team leaders and the coaches to find it. PDQ.

Comment by ECH 03.04.14 @ 9:52 am

We ran into a steamroller last night. Not only were they at their best we were tired and combined with the foul trouble I think we did well to hang in as long as we did.

We could actually benefit from sliding a seed or 2 at this point.

Comment by spiritofsection22 03.04.14 @ 9:55 am

@ECH – last game they had fun was the DJ tribute game with the headbands. At least it looked that way to me, of course it is easy to have fun when EVERYONE is hitting shots from everywhere on the court.

@SOS – if we slide a seed or 2 at this point, we suddenly move to a line on the NIT brackets.

Comment by TVax 03.04.14 @ 10:04 am

The question is do we make the tourney if we do any of the following:

1 – 2 (lose to Clemson, win one ACC tourney game)?
1 – 1 (beat Clemson, lose first ACC tourney game)?

I think if we go 2 – 2 we are in, and in for anything better than that. I think we are out if 0 – 2.

So those two are the question.

Comment by DD 03.04.14 @ 10:37 am

Just a quick comment on the coaching comments above. I honestly believe that Chambers at PSU is a better coach than Dixon. Look what he is doing with little support. Yeah, they’ve lost a lot of close games and had some bad games but he lets his players play. If we had either Newbill or Frazier we would be a way better team on paper but we know Jamie wouldn’t let them do their thing.

Comment by JJ 03.04.14 @ 10:44 am

I think it all comes down to Clemson – win and they’re in. Lose and it’s NIT time. If they beat Clemson, a run in the ACC tourney will be for seed line. If they lose to Clemson, I would think they would almost have to win the damn tourney to get them in. Possibly if they made it to the finals and lost there. Pitt really doesn’t have a signature win, and they won’t get a chance to earn one unless they play a couple of rounds deep. The best games Pitt played IMO were against Syracuse and I think a lot of that is down to knowing their system so well.

The bigger question is; does it even matter? I don’t see them doing much damage in either the NIT or the NCAA.

Comment by thestumper 03.04.14 @ 12:18 pm

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