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February 21, 2014

Recruiting Goes Early

Filed under: Football,Recruiting — Chas @ 8:25 am

One (and everyone has their personal favorite) of the reasons for angst over Head Coach Paul Chryst’s recruiting strategy has been the slow start to recruiting. Early verbals were few and far between. While other schools were pulling those early commits, Pitt was waiting. Appearing to get left in the dust.

Not this year. It’s not yet March, but Pitt has 3 verbals for the 2015 class. Offensive lineman Alex Paulina kicked things off in January. They added a TE at the end of January and now a linebacker.

The theme with them all is that they are Western Pennsylvania recruits. Three of the top-ten recruits in Westertn PA based on one ranking. If you care to make overarching declarations then it could be seen that the coaching stability and Coach Chryst’s approach to recruiting is starting to bear earlier fruit. At least locally as the players and coaches in the area have come to know and be familiar with him.

We know Chryst isn’t going to come out and try and glitz, glam and dazzle recruits. He’s not going to push. He is going to be himself and let the players and their families make the decision. At this point, though, he has been establishing real relations with the local coaches and players that will be seniors this fall. Now they are much more comfortable with what he is doing and there seems to be a lot more desire to play for him and Pitt.

At least at a local level.

The newest verbal is Kevin Givens out of Altoona.

Altoona coach John Franco said Penn State, West Virginia, Michigan and Michigan State also have shown interest, but he added the Nittany Lions didn’t want to offer a scholarship until Givens met coach James Franklin. His scheduled visit to Penn State was postponed last weekend by inclement weather.

Givens, rated a three-star prospect by Rivals.com, had offers from Pitt, Boston College, Temple and UMass.

“The (Pitt) coaching staff has been great to him,” Franco said. “He related to them very well.”

Franco labeled Givens, 16, as a “project.”

“He doesn’t get it yet, but when he gets it, look out,” he said. “He has a great frame (6-foot-3, 235 pounds) and can easily put on 30 pounds. He is a great worker in the weight room.”

Givens can play defensive end or outside linebacker, Franco said.

Givens envisions himself at outside linebacker in Pitt’s defense.

“They use their linebackers rushing from the outside,” Givens said, “and that’s where I feel I play best. They showed me schemes and film, and I felt I’d fit in perfectly.”

“I just need to learn technique to become a complete overall player,” Givens said. “I feel all of my coaches, recent and past, have helped develop me into the player I am.

“They [the Pitt coaches] told me just to keep on working hard. They can help get me where I want to go. The sky’s the limit for me.”

The Panther coaches aren’t the only ones that feel that way. Western Pennsylvania talent evaluator and seven-on-seven travel team organizer Ayo Fapohunda felt Givens was being very under-recruited and mentioned him in the same breath with former Penn State star LaVar Arrington.

“After watching his highlight tape from his junior year, not only are we ready to crown him top LB in the state, but also believe he may be one of the most intriguing prospects in the country,” Fapohunda wrote in his Preps.com blog a month ago. “With offers only from Pitt and Temple, don’t be surprised to start seeing Givens receiving some major D1 attention from the likes of Ohio State, Alabama, and of course nearby Penn State once staffs refocus on class of 2015. With the size, speed, and strength that all coaches are looking for, Givens has to be one of the better looking linebacker prospects we’ve seen in this area in years.”

At this point Givens is a consensus 3-star recruit. If he is as promising as indicated, there will be other schools coming at him. It is nice, though, for this staff to land a very promising player on the defensive side so early.

The other early verbal was tight end Nick Bowers from Kittanning.

He was selected as the Leader Times Player of the Year in 2013, shortly after receiving his first college scholarship offer from Pitt in December when he visited during one of the Panthers’ bowl game practices.

Kittanning coach Frank Fabian said he believes Bowers will remain committed to Pitt throughout his senior season.

“He’s a quiet kid. He’s never going to be the type to go on TV with a bunch of hats in front of him when he makes his decision,” Fabian said. “I think it’s important for him to stay close to home and play in front (of his family). Plus, the way coach (Paul) Chryst uses his tight ends (fits Bowers). You put all those pieces together and it seems like a no-brainer to him.”

Fabian said Bowers played last season at 220 pounds and added 15 during off-season workouts.

“He’s looking like a different kid. He’s always worked hard, but this is the first year he’s really hit the weight room,” Fabian said.

During the past season, Bowers was named Class AA Allegheny Conference offensive player of the year and first-team all-conference as a wide receiver and inside linebacker. Kittanning (9-1) won its first conference championship since 1976.

His star rating is 3-star from a couple sites and unrated/unevaluated at this time from a couple others. Rivals.com does list him as the #12 TE nationally (and the best in Pennsylvania).

In the signing day presser, Coach Chryst conceded that the QB situation was a “little light” in terms of depth. At the same time he denied that there was any goal of pursuing someone from the JUCO ranks or pursue a graduate transfer.

That seemed a bit on the open-ended side. Especially since the question was centered around bringing someone in by spring practices. No plan in place, but if it so happened that a graduate transfer QB wanted to look, well there’s no way he would be at Pitt in the spring practices.

Sure enough, a week after signing day, former USC QB Max Wittek  had Pitt on his list of schools to check. That said, Texas looks like the school to beat for his services.





TonyinHouston, nice link to Starkey’s article. A lot of truth in it. Takes a lot of time to build credibility. How many years did it take UConn to break through?

The big names are always going to get their share. Many others fighting for the rest.

Comment by gc 02.23.14 @ 12:36 pm

@Justinian – I agree that it is a different dynamic. I was merely pointing out that Yale alums have been dealing with the same frustration as Pitt alums (at least some on this board). The former Yale President cut athletic admissions from 18% to 13%. And the alumni, especially the athletic alumni, have been furious and vocal about it. Using almost the same tone and language as posters on here have used.

They talk about hiring athletes before other qualified candidates. They talk about Yale’s status being diminished by lack of sports success – both in football/basketball as well as other non-revenue sports.

Athletics and their alumni generate huge dollars for the University endowment. It may not be gate revenue but it actually means more in the long run. Total giving to Yale runs almost half a billion dollars a year.

My only point here is that the conversation is the same.

Comment by Pitt Dad 02.23.14 @ 12:40 pm

If anyone believes the academic rankings are true, you don’t understand the academic ranking process. Academics rankings are manipulated by the universities and the public doesn’t even know better. My word folks, that is the reality. People believe them because they want to, not because they’re accurate.

When I review a list of resume’s, I do look for Pitt graduates and than Duquesne when the backgrounds and transferable skill sets are similar. Institution is not the end all. When calling on customers, I definitely look at their respective backgrounds to find commonality. It is easier to call on someone from Pitt and Duquesne than from PSU. That is what opens doors, the relationships. Taking it a step further a discussion between managers that come from a successful collegiate sports team, leads to another link in the relationship. So yes, institution attendance and sport success is important. I hang with several Yale and Harvard grads. When they interact, the Yalee’s stick together and they definitely talk sports, typically, football, lacrosse, rowing and basketball. They are equally yolked with great sports again, the common discussion point. They don’t say we are number one and you are number 4 academically because they know the rankings are manipulated. Hell, one of the programs is eliminating testing in classes because it just doesn’t matter. Test taking is manipulated just as much due to peer pressure on professors. The professors get ranked by their students so grade inflation than leads to higher professor rankings which leads to higher graduation rates, which leads to higher academic rankings…. It’s a farce and the masses continue to believe the propaganda. That is why your donations should go to athletics (where you can actually see an improvement in performance), versus to the institution that has been manipulating you for years under the guise of top tier academia. I love Pitt and the education, but these institutions have changed from those of higher learning to corporatization and getting the money!

Comment by dhuffdaddy 02.23.14 @ 12:45 pm

@ Justinian — To clarify, because of the HOPE scholarship, top high school students who would go out of state now attend GA schools. Because of this program it is nowich harder to get into UGA or GA Tech because the top GA students are staying in state for free tuition. Once in school a student must maintain a 3.0 GPA to maintain their HOPE scholarship otherwise they are hopeless (pun intended).

Comment by MariettaMike 02.23.14 @ 12:47 pm

@dhiffdaddy — I concur. I have friends who went to Stanford who wouldn’t make it through Pitt. In Stanford one can drop a class the last day of the course. So, if a student didn’t like getting a C in a course they simply take the course to the last day, drop the course and repeat. Pretty cool huh? Of course the tests are the same… 😉

Comment by MariettaMike 02.23.14 @ 12:53 pm

Appreciate JD’s prior acknowledgement of our ACC Dual Meet (regular season) Champions 22-12 victory @ UNC yesterday! Wondered if anybody else had caught the score. Pitt wrestling is on the rise! Best of luck @ VT for the ACC Wrestling Tourney!
As noted in this blog, we have a great deal to be proud of as Pitt grads. Would not invalidate anyone’s reason for pride in their school. Sports are fun but in my book nothing comes close to that little vaccine that Doc Salk whipped up and bravely first tested on himself! The number of deaths and maimed he and his team saved from polio world-wide is mind boggling! Hail to Pitt! UPone

Comment by UPone 02.23.14 @ 1:19 pm

FWIW, I was never THE boss but participated many times in a hiring decision, and can tell you that only one time was there any discussion about the college a candidate graduated from .. it was about a person who graduated from an online college (it wasn’t Phoenix, think it was Southeastern or Southwestern) but the quality of sports program had never been an issue,

Comment by wbb 02.23.14 @ 1:29 pm

Anyone have any feel for how Pitt will play against the ‘Noles? Pitt is favored by 8.5 points but we know how that goes.

Hail to Pitt! Beat the Seminoles!

Comment by MariettaMike 02.23.14 @ 1:58 pm

This game tonight is about as must win as you can get.

At home, and after a weeks rest, losing is not an option.

Hopefully Jamie worked on things that needed work and Patterson and Zanna healed up.

Pitt baseball down 7-2 in 7th to Fordham.

Hail to Pitt!

Comment by Pap76 02.23.14 @ 2:21 pm

Wow, Stupid has a new definition.

While successful football etc. may raise the awareness of schools with kids…. children… immature humans of young age.

The fact is, pure and simple:

For the quality, high SAT score students, with real parents who are successful and educated, that academically aspiring universities want…

…. you know, the kind of student that goes on to a great career and thus enhances the reputation of his/her university… thereby raising the value of the degree…

that student and their parents don’t give a S$%^ about the football program.

I mean get real.

Never in the history of this country, at all of the workshops for parents, private counseling ,etc. for colleges… has there ever been a discussion about football and how to choose your college.

Just like the “top 10 party schools” helps a university, so does sports… ie. for immature students looking for what is cool.

– It’s average SAT scores, GPA etc, out of state students, statistics that drives up school rankings.

– Its quality of the professors/research/grant dollars.

– It’s how well the graduate are view by their employer surveys.

Pitt continues to improve its prestige, and the value of our degree, by continually raising these statistics.

… 25% of interview is about football. Wow. If that is an engineering firm you work for tell me what bridges you build so I can stay away from them…

… I know what the water cooler talk is at your company… “yeah man, if I didn’t get injured in high school I would have made the NFL.”

As for Pitt degree not well respected in SE… No S$%^… really? Just like anyone who comes to Pittsburgh with a SEC degree… etc. runs into the same thing.

Man I never would have thought that in Alabama they have an affinity for Alabama and Auburn Degrees… I mean… here in PA we don’t talk about Pitt, PSU and Temple…????

Pitt is now a highly ranked university. Pitt Main campus is surprisingly hard to get on to. A Pitt degree is a piece of real estate with increasing equity and value.

I have read some really F$%^’d up comments hear since yesterday.

Chas step up with some sports posts man.

Seriously.

Comment by Pittscript 02.23.14 @ 2:26 pm

Brand people. It’s all all about brand. Some of you do your Pitt degree a discredit. Pitt needs to excel in both academics and athletics. This pissing contest on one another started when some blogger dared to say that his degree was worth less today given Pitt’s mediocre performance in football. If you look at the big picture, there is some truth to that statement. It’s a perspective shared by others and supported by facts. Don’t call a Pitt grad stupid for saying that. Reserve your comments for some grad that deserves it. Spout your vitriol towards a Hoopie or Nitter. Panther Nation needs to stick together. Tomorrow after the Pitt win, I fully plan on rubbing it in to a dickhead FSU grad in the office. Academics doesn’t afford me that relishing opportunity.

Comment by TX Panther 02.23.14 @ 2:34 pm

I just turned on the NFL combine channel and saw Street catch a pass. I missed Savage throwing and related comments if that happened. Did anyone see it. Interested in what they had to say about Savage.

Anyway, where is the game day thread?

Comment by gc 02.23.14 @ 2:41 pm

@dhuffdaddy, most of your post is about something all together different… engaging people in the marketplace as we sell and engage in business. Yes awareness of sports and personal interests are important. I partner with PSU guys and WVU guys. I don’t need to give them crap and they don’t give me crap… we have mature, peer, business relationships.

your skepticism of rankings is not unfounded nor your statement about college and marketing; yet they are tangential to the argument by some here that football success = value of degree.

I work around the world guys. Seriously, the inferiority complex of Pitt degree is misplaced. Pitt is a top 100 institution in world by all ranking systems. It is well respected in most professions and by other academic institutions. And it is constantly getting better.

Comment by Pittscript 02.23.14 @ 2:43 pm

Pittscript. You live in a world of academia it is apparent. If it makes you sleep good at night beleive what you want. Try leaving Pittsburgh once in your life for a national opinion. Kids pick colleges for many reasons but a big one is the total expeience. Before you want to act like an expert go to an ACC school or an SEC school campus on Saturday. Actually go there from Tuesday on bc guess what genuis the hotels are sild out and big alumni is there spending money. On Tuesdays. Not show up friday night on the north shore. Lets get on a bus and go watch a game. A campus experience. So until you actually leave the burg and see how other places do it this converstions cant go forward. The same little company that talks about football in an interview gave almost half a million to these schools and has rev of 1B. You guys amaze me that know it all but never leave Allegheny County.

Comment by Upittbaseball 02.23.14 @ 2:44 pm

Kendrick Perkins out for Oak City, Steve Adams in. Thunder down 12 vs Clippers.

Comment by alcofan 02.23.14 @ 2:53 pm

@ Upitt

LMFAO…. Ok buddy. You clearly know who I am and what I do.

You write as if your horizon never rose above the sports locker room so interesting you talk about limited horizons.

I have been in many, many places around the world and choose to come back and live in Pgh.

Too many “Pitt fans” here write as if you have not been back to Pittsburgh in the last few years either.

@ upitt, You have an inferiority complex about your university that I simply do not share.

H2P

Comment by Pittscript 02.23.14 @ 2:57 pm

Johnny football raised nearly one million for the university the year after he won the Heisman. Name me an academic program that can do that based on one 20 year olds results. I picked Pitt over Pedo State. If you believe the academic rankings, State Penn still kicks Pitt’s butt in the years since I graduated despite Nordy’s best efforts. Does that make me stupid? What’s the easiest way to become nationally recognized? It’s by winning in football or basketball. Sorry to burst your elitist academic Pitt bubble but if Pitt won the Heisman and championship in the same year, they would collect more money than if Pitt found the cure for Alzheimer’s.

Comment by TX Panther 02.23.14 @ 3:23 pm

While sports can enhance a University’s image. It is relatively meaningless in the big scheme of things. How much has Stanford’s competitiveness in football changed anything.

While NCAA Football and Basketball are immensely profitable and popular, the vast majority could care less. Albeit, this may not be true in the South, hence our friend’s from Texas passion on the subject.

I doubt any consideration is given during the Rhode’s scholarship review process, or admittance to Law or Medical School, although it might be taken into consideration in Dixie.

I guess it is difficult living in SEC land where talking about football is a lot like comparing the size of your….

I think Pitt Dad is right, the discussion is amusing.

Comment by gc 02.23.14 @ 3:23 pm

Here in the NYC/LI area, where my car has several Pitt stickers on it, I have parents come up to me all the time asking how to get their kids into Pitt. Believe me, they’re not asking about the football team.

As a parent member of PART I used to do college fairs and college days for Pitt at High Schools in the area. Kids were aware of Pitt sports but both parents and students wanted to know about the academics and about financial aid – Pitt has been very generous to NY area students with academic scholarships. They like the idea that Pitt is at the higher levels of D1 sports but that’s not, in general, what makes them want to get in.

Comment by Pitt Dad 02.23.14 @ 3:37 pm

Disagree Script on rankings. Until one is in a position to manipulate the system and see how it really works in academia, most won’t understand. Stats that have significance on rankings but not intellect…..a high school senior that carries a 4.4 QPA on a 4.0 scale. Only in academia! If it is a 4.0 scale, that should be the max. Don’t give me a bunch of crap about how much more advanced or difficult the classes are. I was in them. I know what it is like to get a 4.2 on a 4.0 scale and actually wrote a paper in AP English about the numeric impossibility. Do you believe an athlete can give 110%? I don’t. You can give maximum effort of 100% and work down from there. Sorry.

All -Many think that George Washington University is highly respected academically right? They were recently de-listed by USNews for manipulating data that effected their ranking. I am telling you they are not alone and every year, several schools get busted. Us lawyers bust them when a student gets out and can’t find a job and sues based on lack of employment opportunities when the stats indicated 98% employed 6 months post graduation. Dig deep and you find stats are manipulated to get students on campus. These statistics are not auditable, by anyone. This should put an end to how great any institution is when relying on ranking.

Pitt is great because of the people that went to Pitt and have become success stories. Get our heads out of the sand and take rankings for what they are….debate materials but other than that….nada! I love the passion we have for protecting whatever the ranking is, but let’s be realistic.

That is why sport is so important. There is a ranking at the end of a sports season based on what you did on the field for a season. You aren’t supposed to manipulate results. Those that do should receive sanctions from the ncaa for whatever that institution is worth.

link to cbsnews.com

Chas…get some football content or we are going to bust. Hope you are well! Let’s Go Pitt! Big wine tonight.

Comment by dhuffdaddy 02.23.14 @ 3:37 pm

Disagree Script on rankings. Until one is in a position to manipulate the system and see how it really works in academia, most won’t understand. Stats that have significance on rankings but not intellect…..a high school senior that carries a 4.4 QPA on a 4.0 scale. Only in academia! If it is a 4.0 scale, that should be the max. Don’t give me a bunch of crap about how much more advanced or difficult the classes are. I was in them. I know what it is like to get a 4.2 on a 4.0 scale and actually wrote a paper in AP English about the numeric impossibility. Do you believe an athlete can give 110%? I don’t. You can give maximum effort of 100% and work down from there. Sorry.

All -Many think that George Washington University is highly respected academically right? They were recently de-listed by USNews for manipulating data that effected their ranking. I am telling you they are not alone and every year, several schools get busted. Us lawyers bust them when a student gets out and can’t find a job and sues based on lack of employment opportunities when the stats indicated 98% employed 6 months post graduation. Dig deep and you find stats are manipulated to get students on campus. These statistics are not auditable, by anyone. This should put an end to how great any institution is when relying on ranking.

Pitt is great because of the people that went to Pitt and have become success stories. Get our heads out of the sand and take rankings for what they are….debate materials but other than that….nada! I love the passion we have for protecting whatever the ranking is, but let’s be realistic.

That is why sport is so important. There is a ranking at the end of a sports season based on what you did on the field for a season. You aren’t supposed to manipulate results. Those that do should receive sanctions from the ncaa for whatever that institution is worth.

link to cbsnews.com

Chas…get some football content or we are going to bust. Hope you are well! Let’s Go Pitt! Big wine tonight.

Comment by dhuffdaddy 02.23.14 @ 3:37 pm

Duff – wine tonight? I’m in and a win.

Script – I was incorrect on you being a Yinzer and not traveling or getting out of burg my apologies.

Comment by Upittbaseball 02.23.14 @ 3:48 pm

I agree. Pitt is great due to its people. It’s fans, alum, students, profs and anyone who works there and supports the university. However, It’s what you make of your degree that defines you. The perception of your school is framed by both academic and athletic success. One cannot lose sight of that fact. We need both to be strong. Unfortunately, the overall sports program has been diminished by Smug. Our brand has suffered. And brand equals degree.

And chill out. Chas is enjoying this bitch fest while sipping on some fine bourbon.

Comment by TX Panther 02.23.14 @ 3:49 pm

@ Upittbaseball — Sure, I’d like that and if you have time, bring your golf clubs I’ll take you to my club and you can meet some of my SEC / ACC buddies. The new Falcons stadium is going something to behold.
+++++++++++++
Marietta – we will be building the falcons stadium so monthly visits there if you want to walk the job and talk about our pitt experiences.
Comment by Upittbaseball 02.23.14 @ 10:39 am

Comment by MariettaMike 02.23.14 @ 4:00 pm

@upitt…. no problem. sorry I got a little sharp there…

I hear Duffdaddy and don’t disagree necessarily.

bottom line, I do think this thread shows an insecurity about Pitt and it’s place in the world.

Pitt has been an institution on the move up for many years. when we all went there (I take it most of us have gray hair of some sort) Pitt was behind Ped State and was a mid-ranked school overall (although has always had some highly ranked programs).

Today Pitt is even, if not slightly ahead, of PSU from any measurable perspective. Pitt is top tier (not elite).

The quality of student on Pitt campus is top notch and getting into the ACC had a lot to do about our academic strength.

It’s like the new rich guy having dinner with the blue bloods. Nordy has really done us well and the new Chancellor looks good.

Sport will never be what defines Pitt (unlike the SEC and SE so sorry for you folks living in that world because it will be tough around the water cooler).

And come back to the ‘burgh in the summer if you have not been lately. Place is amazing these days.

H2P…

….and now tonight the Basketball team starts its late season push and positive momentum heading into the tournament!!

Comment by Pittscript 02.23.14 @ 4:20 pm

Sorry guys as well. Having some issues at rhe homestead. I will not take it out on my blatherites. Marietta – no problem. Still a few months out but man is politics slowing that job down. Script – safe travels for work and I agree burg is awesome in summer.

Comment by Upittbaseball 02.23.14 @ 4:24 pm

Heading to the Pete. It’s time to open up a can of whoop-ass. Apologies to the academicians.

Comment by gc 02.23.14 @ 4:25 pm

Look i lived in the Burgh for 35 years in VA, for 2 in AZ 18 and Bama for 2 and came back to western pa years and years ago. and that and one dollar will bye me a cup of tea so lets get back to football talk.
did savage throw good to day how was his foot work
was he on target i missed it info please.

Comment by Frankcan 02.23.14 @ 4:27 pm

Seriously all the pessimism about the state of Pitt Football.

Since when was Pitt so GREAT… outside of the OLD, OLD DAYS and the time span running between Dorsett and Marino years?

Without naming names, those who “PINE” for the Days of Yore are fantasizing about a PITT FOOTBALL POWERHOUSE that NEVER EXISTED.

Even in the Marino Years, with one of the BEST QUARTERBACKS and TEAMS you could hope for… they never got the job done. The DISAPPOINTMENT matches the DESPAIR of the 80s and 90s.

Chryst has begun piecing together a system that he envisions will position Pitt as a PERENNIAL Top 25 Program that makes a run at Top 10 every four years or so.

If it happens, it’ll be the first time.

Comment by PittofDreams 02.23.14 @ 4:33 pm

Now if Dixon could only get the “Top 10” Part down.

Comment by PittofDreams 02.23.14 @ 4:36 pm

Sorry PofD, those days did exist, abet many many years ago. The coach was Sutherland and the team was unbeatable. That’s not dreaming, that’s just history.

Comment by Dr. Tom 02.23.14 @ 4:57 pm

You guys still at it!

Wbb, give it up! You made your points and I totally disagree. (Notice no personal insults.)

TX Panther, besides speaking the truth, you also write well; good points – clearly stated.

Pitt Dad, looks like you did recruiting for Pitt out on the Island. Good for you and the University. In my part of NJ, the kids considering Pitt are the ones intersted in the writing program or offered scholarships. The vast majority do not consider Pitt at all. The average kid around here even has Rutgers low on their list (our State U); which is a 50’s school. That’s about where Pitt fits right now, around 58 nationally.

I realize ratings are all over the place and really don’t mean much unless your school is rated in the top 10!

I went to Pitt when it was private. The money came for the Mellons and the other main Pittsburgh industrialist(all graduates). The University was rated in the 40’s. The medical school was rated in the top ten (remember Salk). Litchfield promised to have Pitt an Ivy league school in ten years. There were beautiful drawings of new campus additions in Panther Howl. Our football team was #3 in the nation. We played only other nationally known teams; UCLA, Wash, ND, Miami, PSU, Cal, Syracuse and etc. every year.

Then the school went belly up!

We play basketball now.

Got to check my 23 and me results

Comment by Old Pitt Grad 02.23.14 @ 5:20 pm

DONALD pushed up thru up 225 pounds 35 times to day he is second so far the NFL has got to love him

Comment by Frankcan 02.23.14 @ 5:23 pm

Forgot to mention in the 60’s, two of my fraternity brothers flunked out of Pitt ended up at PSU and graduated. Another after flunking out went Westminster and later became a Pitt dentist.

I think we were a better academic school back then.

Comment by Old Pitt Grad 02.23.14 @ 5:27 pm

I am upitt. I am with Skanska. Who are you with? We came in second I think on Falcons. I’m not in our sports group. I run our national healthcare.

Comment by Pitt it Is 02.23.14 @ 8:24 pm

Dr. Tom…

No need to apologize.

I think “OLD, OLD DAYS” pretty much covers the Sutherland years 1924 – 1939.

Those teams posted some good records. Although at the time it was mainly SPOILED RICH KIDS who got the chance to go to college. The TOUGH BLUE-COLORED GUYS would come along later.

But as good as they were, the Sutherland Teams were BEATABLE or at least TIE-ABLE.

Sutherland NEVER had a PERFECT SEASON at PITT. 9-0-1 was his Best. There was the ONE ROSE BOWL Win, but also THREE ROSE BOWL Losses.

Comment by PittofDreams 02.24.14 @ 12:10 pm

Still, I would consider the Sutherland Years as qualifying as Pitt Glory Days.

Not quite on par with with Woody Hayes and Ohio State. But I am open minded.

Comment by PittofDreams 02.24.14 @ 12:14 pm

Is PSU still under scholarship restrictions? How many can they offer for 2015? I hated seeing Bucholtz and Cooper go to them.

Comment by Rex 02.24.14 @ 3:55 pm

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