January 22, 2014

ACC 2014 Is Now

Filed under: ACC,Conference,Football,Schedule — Chas @ 3:08 pm


Sure, Pitt. I get it. You don’t leak. Not like FSU. Not like Duke. Not even Syracuse. No. You have to keep it under wraps until the 3pm time. Fine. You don’t want to share early. I get it.

You miss that early bounce and overreactions. Let people wait, only knowing that Pitt will go down to Miami for Thanksgiving weekend.

So we waited. The interminable minutes ticked by.

Well, here we go.

The schedules are out (PDF).


I like it. No early bye weeks. Games for all of September into Octover. A couple byes that seem spaced well.




^^^Regarding the above: something must be wrong with Lunardi’s program because Arizona isn’t anywhere on the list and they’re the #1 team in the country. But, even if they’re supposed to be #1 in every category, that only moves us one spot down, and still at #3 to win the tournament. Wow.

Comment by MikePITT 01.22.14 @ 11:35 pm

The game at UVA is the road trip of the year. Charlottesville in October is awesome….bring your sticks and your thirst – great wineries and breweries to boot….and The Grounds are special.

Comment by Joe Lawrence 01.22.14 @ 11:36 pm

John, I’ll buy what your selling. The ‘Why Not Us?’ approach. Hey at the very least, BC is a big game for staging the rest of the season. 1-0 in conference feels better than 0-1, especially when you have to wait a full month for your next conference game..

Frankie, thanks for the info, and I’ll be happier when Pitt actually LANDS a few 4-star FL recruits!

Comment by Iron Duke 01.22.14 @ 11:45 pm

Making travel plans for the ACC tourney. Sure am missing NYC. Can anyone suggest a hotel convenient to the coliseum? Or is it better to stay elsewhere and drive in for the games?

Did I mention that I’m missing NYC?

Comment by dinosaur 71 01.22.14 @ 11:46 pm

Joe, agree with you. Targeting UVa as this year’s road trip.

Comment by Iron Duke 01.22.14 @ 11:47 pm

I conducted some research because I just need to know how we stack up. Using the Scout scoring system for stars which has been proven 100% accurate, BC actually has recruited worse than Pitt over the last four years. Hard to imagine I know, but those are the facts. 2 & 3 stars mostly. Scientifically therefore, we should win that game. I also think they lost their best player early for the draft.

The interesting game is Iowa. The scout barometer shows Iowa getting a couple 4’s, but mostly 3’s and a spattering of 2 stars over the last four years. Even more interesting, 2011 4 star running back Garmon out of Erie, left Iowa and is at a California JC. I forgot, but he was ranked as the 15th best RB prospect that year. What a waste. I think it was drugs that got him in trouble. Another player that ended up at Iowa was Quinton Alston, a LB out of Sicklerville, Joisey. I think he and Jennings must have been teammates. Anyway, if you all remember, he verballed to Pitt and was one of those that bolted during the coaching debacle. Alston apparently is doing well in Iowa. If I recall, Alston was a big tweeter about how great Pitt was and then poof, he was gone. Iowa has some good qb’s and a nice offense. Watched them on a couple occasions this last year.

Optimistically, I can see us being 5-1 or 4-2 heading into VT. VT will have a new qb as well this year which should help. I expect Pitt to be 8-4, 7-5 with bad breaks and 9-3 with really good breaks. There you have it. I am now going to focus on 2015 recruiting since I am done with the 2014 season. Good day mates…. 🙂

Comment by dhuffdaddy 01.22.14 @ 11:49 pm

@MikePitt – so that has us as a 5 seed?

Comment by Pitt Dad 01.22.14 @ 11:51 pm

Crack staff indicates that Vtech, Duke, NCaro and Syracuse all have bye weeks going into the Pitt game….odd.

Comment by dhuffdaddy 01.23.14 @ 12:01 am

Crappy home schedule. Pitt should be leaking news all over to sell tickets. I didn’t know Dixon was doing football schedules too

Comment by TonyinHouston 01.23.14 @ 12:42 am

@Pitt Dad: Correct, the number in parentheses corresponds to each team’s respective ranking per Lunardi’s bracketology. Keep in mind that, unlike Bracketology, Lunardi’s “Bracket Odds” (the ESPNInsider image I posted) are calculated daily according to a particular algorithm, similar to ESPN’s BPI. What the image above is showing is Pitt, as a 5-seed, having the second* best odds to win the NCAA tournament.

*Although we are listed second, I mentioned above that there’s something screwy with today’s version of the algorithm since Arizona is completely omitted from the chart. Duke is also missing for some reason, and I’m doubtful that Lunardi’s program actually leaves Duke out of the sweet 16 with their level of talent.

Comment by MikePITT 01.23.14 @ 12:53 am

@PittDad: Okay, I just checked and the algorithm has been fixed to reflect the following:

Odds to make the Sweet 16:
#11 Pittsburgh (5)55.2%
(Here, Pitt fell out of the top-10, but that doesn’t matter much)

Odds to make the Final Four:
#4 Pittsburgh (5)24.6%

Odds to win tournament:
#3 Pittsburgh (5)8.5%

So, this is the most up-to-date standings on Lunardi’s Bracket Odds. A lot of other stuff has been fixed, such as Arizona being put back into the chart at #1 in each category. Also, a bunch of previously omitted schools such as Duke are back in. Whatever technical hiccup was happening is gone.

The big takeaway:
Lunardi’s stats say we’ve got the third best odds to WIN THE NCAA TOURNAMENT.

(Just stats, I know, but COME ON)

Comment by MikePITT 01.23.14 @ 12:59 am

The ACC Coastal will come down to the Miami game and Pitt will show up this time. The schedule is what it is, no team has a great schedule every year! Pitt should be undefeated when they play the Hokies but a loss vs Iowa could easily happen. They always come ready to play and had a good year last year. I will be at that game and at Charlottesville! Can’t wait! To put more butts in the seats at the opener they should announce a throwback day like they did vs ysu under Wanny! It would help but we know it won’t happen! Hail to Pitt!

Comment by Sweet Caroline 01.23.14 @ 1:06 am

Dino-if ACC is still in Greensboro, ugh-not a lot there as far as hotels (I travel there yearly for track). There is a Sheraton that’s nice, other than that I don’t recall much.

Comment by John 01.23.14 @ 6:23 am

Mr. Lawrence, you are spot on about a road trip to UVA. May I suggest accommadations at the Boarshead Inn. Not only do they have a nice spa included in the facility but they are adjacent to the beautiful Birdwood Country Club which is UVA’s home course for their golf team. Staying there gets you onto the course. And Don’t miss the Inn’s Sunday Brunch. Best in Town.

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Comment by Dr. Tom 01.23.14 @ 8:15 am

Old Pitt Grad

“Chryst the pear shaped bum…”

Really? I too question his recruiting but what is with the insults? Relax old man.

Comment by notrocketscience 01.23.14 @ 8:21 am

A little cranky there Old Pitt Grad, aren’t you, what’s up? Did the Mrs finally get frisky last night and then you discovered that had misplaced your Viagra Rx or something?

You might not agree with the star rating system from ESPN, but “somebody” over there thinks that this kid, Wade Freeebeck, is the four star recruit of which you complain CAN’T be recruited by your self described obese, hobo imitation of a college football coach.

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Relax Pitt’s football team will be just fine this season. No worries

Comment by Dr. Tom 01.23.14 @ 8:35 am

So we expect 8-9 wins in January, piss ourselves like excited dogs when we have 6 wins in December (and get to go to a fine bowl game in Detroit) and wonder why the administration is content with mediocrity.

Anything less than 8 wins with this schedule should be unacceptable, period.

Comment by Yeti 01.23.14 @ 8:38 am

Yeti – Mediocrity allows Pederson the mirage that he is doing a good job and can keep getting checks. I swear to you I wouldn’t hire him as a High School AD. You guys don’t know the half of what he ruined or tried to ruin. He is a disaster and being mediocre allows him to set the bar so low that when we win 6 games and play in a dogshit bowl the fan base is happy.

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.23.14 @ 9:15 am

@MikePitt – thanks!

Comment by Pitt Dad 01.23.14 @ 9:24 am

@Dr Tom

The rooms at the Boars Head are nothing special. It is much less charming than its name makes it sound. However, the fitness center is fantastic.

If you want romance and charm (and are willing pay for it), try the Clifton Inn or the Keswick. Or, if you just want a place to stay, there is an Omni near the center of town and lots of decent restaurants within walking distance.

C’ville is October is pretty special.


Comment by pmdH2P 01.23.14 @ 9:26 am

Never been to Keswick Hall pmdH2P, but it also has a very nice spa and a great Arnold Palmer designed Golf course. Can’t go wrong in either place, IMO.

BTW, Yeti (I won’t even respond to you Upittbaseball cause your MO is well documented) I agree with you, considering THIS schedule, nothing less than 8 regular season wins can be viewed as acceptable. Chryst is filling his two deep roster with his own guys now and has preached his “taking ownership” phylosophy for going on three years by next season, so he has to step it up to keep the naysayers at bay in 2014.

Myself, as I previously mentioned, I could see Pitt getting an early jump on the season’s win record, going into the VT game on Oct. 16th undefeated. Now if that good fortune is blessed upon this team, then I’d even have higher expectations going forward from there because there should be AT LEAST two more wins in that schedule from 10/16 to the showdown with Miami on Thanksgiving weekend. If this team learns how to start winning the close ones and are 6-0 when they meet VT, I’d be hoping for a 9-3 regular season record at least.

And I’m just wondering, while some are still bitching about the “”dog$hit” bowl that we played in the day after Christmas, did anybody else really enjoy that game, or was I the only one that got my blood churning over it? IMO, as a causal observer might reply, that game was pretty entertaining right up to the very end, and isn’t that why sports exist in the first place, entertainment?

Hail to Pitt!

Comment by Dr. Tom 01.23.14 @ 10:13 am

@ Dr. Tom look up the definition of insanity

One thing we know is a given for Pitt FB:

– expect to lose the BCS non con game 9/10 times
– expect to lose the lose an early conference game on the road
– expect to lose an inexplicable game to FCS or MAC or Navy

Look in the mirror, my friend. This is Pitt FB the past 15 years.

I’m leaning to losses at Iowa, BC and Akron to my prognostications.

Comment by Pauly P 01.23.14 @ 10:21 am

All the people who love star ratings will like this one. There are more 2 star players on Seattle & Denver’s teams than 4-5 stars.

Comment by Nick 01.23.14 @ 10:34 am

@Dr Tom

It was a great game to watch—and that is what it is all about. Do your best in the game you are playing.

Next year hopefully a more pretigious bowl game. But, these “kids” on our team will look back at the Papa John’s bowl game as a stepping stone in their development.

I am cool with the folks on here who see only the dark clouds. Thay are entitlted to their opinions. But, I would hope that we can all enjoy winning.


Comment by pmdH2P 01.23.14 @ 10:38 am

Well, that’s why we play the games. Last year we lost one we should have won, and two we might have won. We won one we should have lost. Chryst is building a team that won’t lose the ones we are supposed to win, be competitive in the evenly matched ones and have a chance when we are deep underdogs.

Pauly P, I understand your negativity, but I think Chryst is in it for the long hall and is fitting more pieces in the puzzle.

Obviously he is emphasizing great offense first.

I am with Dr. Tom, Our bowl win was nothing to sneeze at. That was the best Bowling Green team ever, and the game was competitive. A few blow-outs are fun, but winning close games against worthy competition is what I am looking for.

Iowa and BC will be tough opponents. I don’t know where you are coming from regarding Akron.

Our bulldozers up front will mow them over.

Comment by gc 01.23.14 @ 10:46 am

Pauly P, we will not lose at home to Akron this year. If we do lose to them, it wil be the opener next year at their place.

After a couple down years, Iowa looked pretty improved this past year, thus, a loss this year would not necessarily be an upset. We split with them recently, beat a pretty good Iowa team in 08 but blew a big lead at their lace in 011. I would be surprised it it’s not a competitive game this year.

I have no idea how good BC will be next year, just know that their Hesiman finalist RB will be gone …. but again, we may not even be the favorite in that game either.

Comment by wbb 01.23.14 @ 11:07 am

PMDHD – Little Cesars Bowl….Not as cool as Papa Johns, Haha

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.23.14 @ 12:33 pm

Ok Pauly P, only because I like debating guys just like you, that have “unrealistic expectations” concerning Pitt Panther Football records, I looked up the definition of “insanity” and interestingly enough it had a picture of you in a Pitt hat positioned next to it. Yes I’m inferring that you are the crazy one here.

Quick facts, in the past six years(2008-2013) Pitt has had that same number of head coaches (6) take the Panthers into battle. During that time period, the Panthers are 46 wins vs. 32 loses. Not great, but acceptable considering those circumstances, for sure.

In 2008 we lose our first game to BGSU 27-16, WTF???, then we go on to finish 9-4 while beating Iowa, Buffalo (the other MAC team), Navy, and our hated rival in the Back Yard Brawl, WVU! Not a fantastic record, but not mediocre one either.

2009 resulted in us beating all of the stumbling block teams that you mentioned, beating YSU, Buffalo and Navy heading into November with a 9-1 record only to lose to WVU then dropping the 44-45 game against Cincy for the BE Championship. That was one of the greatest games that I ever had the privledge of attending, even though we lost, just an exciting game from start to finish. We ended up the season beating UNC in the Muffler Bowl and that game too was a very good contest, first 10 win season for Pitt in many years.

2010 was the death of Wanny season and the $hit began to hit the fan by season’s end, 8-5 record with a bowl win over the SEC opponent but not with Wanny at the helm at that point. Bad things to come.

2011 Fraud Graham’s tenure results in a 6-7 season and his departure in the middle of the night with a trailing sincere text message to his team about how badly he felt about it. This after the Haywood hiring debacle, yeah, Pederson must of $hit himself when that scandle hit the news.

2012 and 2013, now with Chryst on the scene. a two season record of 13-13, .500 average. Yep that’s what we call MEDIOCRE. But over that two season journey there were some high points. Losing to YSU wasn’t one of them! But taking a superior Notre Dame team into triple overtime, in their own house, before bowing out wasn’t anything to be ashamed of, especially considering the bogus pass interference call that allowed ND to take the game into OT in the first place. The subsequent loss to UCONN was a game to be ashamed of however, but then Pitt surprises a lot of people in coming back over a good Rutgers squad and then USF to end the season on an up note squeaking into a bowl game again at 6-6.

2013, another mediocre record yes, but NOT a mediocre season. Yeah, we lost to Navy, but in case you weren’t watching, Navy fielded a good ball club this season. Also, the Duke game was one for the books, lots of points scored on both sides. Street and Boyd both had stellar games and who knew then that DUKE was going to be the Coastal Division Champs when all was said and done?????

Then anybody that failed to appreciate the effort it took to beat ND this year just doesn’t understand football. Ending the season beating BGSU was a little payback from that 2008 opening game debacle against us back in 2008, plus we all got a preview of the Pitt team of the future with Chad Voytik coming in for an injured Savage to lead Pitt in a come from behind bowl victory over the MAC Champs and James Conner running like a wild bull for over 200 yards. A must win that Pitt simply would not be denied and just won!

Last but not least, don’t ever refer to Arron Donald’s performances as mediocre, EVER! He was a joy to watch ply his trade, ALL SEASON LONG!

So go ahead, diss on the Panthers all you want to Pauly P, but in the end, you actually don’t know what you’re talking about. This program is on the upswing. They’re fun to watch again and the young guys actually are taking ownership of this program, you’ll see. I just hope that you’re a big enough man to own up to your current negativity when the Panthers do bring home an 8-5 or 9-4 season in 2014, all accomplished in a much tougher conference than the Big East ever was.

As always, Hail to Pitt!

Comment by Dr. Tom 01.23.14 @ 12:47 pm

Business must be slow at the office, Dr. Tom.

I’m going to call your ass out when we are 3-3 going into Va Tech.

Comment by PaulyP 01.23.14 @ 5:26 pm

I think we could be pretty good next year if the offensive line Gels. Rowell, Rotherham and Clemmings, Dorian Johnson, and Bisnowaty up front with pretty good depth. Connors running behind that, with help from the new guys, plus Bennett. Ibrahim with a year on the training table and in the weight room.

We have great tight ends and hatchbacks. One superstar receiver with another on the way and a group looking for playing time.

A QB who played well under pressure, has decent legs and plenty of weapons to throw to.

We should score a lot of points and be able to run the clock.

The defense will have some new guys that need to step up. My only concern is pass rush. There are a couple redshirt freshmen that might answer the call.

There is no need to be negative, yet.

Comment by gc 01.23.14 @ 8:35 pm

My a$$, along with the rest of me will be right here, ready to accept the errors of my ways IF that 3-3 occurs by mid October, although there will still be a half season to repent for such a poor start.
Rather, my Koolaid induced delusions envision a Pitt squad ready for prime time against VT, hopefully still undefeated, and I mean Pitt not VT. Let’s remember today’s debate and compare notes again in about 10 months to see who’s delusion turned out to be more accurate.

Comment by Dr. Tom 01.23.14 @ 9:17 pm

Just held my daughters wedding in Charlottesville last spring. We stayed at the Omni…Boars Head Inn is very nice, but the proximity to shops/restaurants/bars on “the Mall” was perfect for our group. Staff was great BTW.

As for the golf Birdwood GC is certainly nice, while Old Trail just up the road in Crozet is fun and the backdrop of Afton Mtn is great.

Comment by Joe Lawrence 01.23.14 @ 11:32 pm

@Dr. Tom,

I truly appreciate you optimism, but cannot share in it. Yes, your facts about the last six years are correct. However, my mind has the last 25 years of Pitt football permanently branded in it. Hackett Majors part deux, Harris, etc. At some point it becomes a pattern of mediocrity that I cannot unwrap my mind around. Sitting in a cold rain along with about 30 others folks in Pitt stadium watching us lose against E. Carolina, losing to Temple, the 70 point blow out to Ohio State, Liberty Bowl and getting my a$$ chewed by my wife when I went to the Fiesta Bowl. Yes there have been some good moments like tearing down the goal post at the Thursday night Miami game and anytime we beat WVU. The good moments still do not outweigh the bad.

I don’t know what the administration has been thinking over the past three decades perhaps they haven’t been thinking. To me, the coaching choices since the untimely departure of Sherrill have been knee-jerk reactions where we either grab somebody sitting close by or try to find someone with the opposite characteristics of the last coach. Heck, they used the same model with basketball; it just happened to work. With that said, I cannot pledge my support for HCPC. He fits perfectly in the pattern of behavior that has kept us mediocre.

TV has changed college football. The money that TV brings has forced colleges into expanding their programs. There are too many large college football programs after a finite amount of kids. You have to have something to sell these kids. We have a guy that can’t sell and a program that isn’t worth selling. To use a car analogy we are trying to sell the best 1976 car to an 18 year old kid and his parents. I’ll have a college age kid in a few years. I was 5 in 1976. You either need a winning program or a coach who comes from a proven winning program to attract the kids. You are not going to have a winning program without talent. Those two items are the proverbial chicken and the egg. That leaves the proven winner of a coach. I believe that is the only way to turn the corner.

I want PC to succeed. I want Pitt to be a nationally ranked team. I just don’t think the Pitt administration cares to change it or knows how to. Somebody needs to tell the Board of Trustees that the 1976 lightning in the bottle on their shelf fizzled out long ago.

Hail to Pitt!

Comment by Yeti 01.24.14 @ 8:11 am

@ Yeti, I also was at the Fiesta Bowl to witness our Panthers get methodically carved up by one of the best Utah teams ever. Urban Myer had his troops ready for battle in that game, didn’t he? There seemed to be no Pitt fans there to speak of and the ones that were kind of huddled together at times like Custer’s troops at Little Bighorn preparing for their ultimate demise. Who knows we might of H2P each other in passing out there in Tempe.

In any case, I hear you loud and clear. I also have been disenchanted over the years at the failure of the University’s administration to give the football program the attention that it deserves if we are to field a championship team. But in general the ENTIRE Pitt Athletic landscape has improved for the better over the last decade or so.

Back in the day, as a student, we used to watch Tiger Paul run around in Trees Hall during BB games, what a dump! And althopugh Pitt Stadium has a warm place in my heart, it was a dump too, and I’m talking after it’s renovation. There is no down side to the Peterson Event Center other than we lost our on campus stadium and although their are many who feel Heinz Field ain’t the place for the Panthers to be playing, it sure is a more modern venue than Pitt stadium could ever have been with future improvements.

As the excitement builds for this surprising Pitt BB squad in our first year in the ACC, you have to view the current situation in Pitt’s Football program as one of survival right now. Yeti, think about it, Pitt Football could easily have been swirling around in the bottom of the American Conference toilet bowl right now, still trying to figure out WTF happened over the last three years to bring them to this point. I’m talking like 2-10 seasons type awful, looking for yet another coach after a two year failed experiment with NOBODY desiring to play for the Panthers because the program just sucks!

Instead we have boring old Paul Chryst, that just keeps his head down, busy in his endevors, plodding along to a .500 average over a two year stint, producing a 7-6 record finishing up with a bowl win during his first season in the much tougher ACC Conference. My question is, which option would you have preferred? I thought so.

As I’ve been re-quoted for before, “small steps, small steps”. It is going to be a process and considering where Pitt HAS been, this program has SURVIVED just fine. Now it is time to take the next step. This season will define whether this coaching staff and HCPC in particular is the guy to take Pitt to that next level.

A 7-6 season, with this schedule, considering that he has two seasons under his belt now, just won’t cut it. But 8-5 with another upset victory over another ND type quality opponent and maybe a season ending bowl win again should keep his job security intact for another couple years. That should be the realistic goals for this season. And IMO, that is very obtainable this year. So don’t lose the Panther Pride just yet. This program IS on the rise. considering where we have been as of late, lets just be thankful that we haven’t been left for dead a couple seasons ago, which easily COULD have occurred.

Hail to Pitt!

Comment by Dr. Tom 01.24.14 @ 8:47 am

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