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January 4, 2014

Open Thread: ACC Action At Last

Filed under: Basketball,Open Thread — Chas @ 8:28 am

Slogged our way through the non-con and all it’s patsies — which wasn’t nearly as bad as all the complaining about the patsies.

Now we have our first conference game. Down in Raleigh, NC against North Carolina State in PNC Park Arena.  It’s a nooner.

Unfortunately this is not a national game, and if you don’t live in the Pittsburgh area, finding the game is a little tricky. In Pittsburgh it is airing on WTAE. For everyone else, you have to hope you are in a place where a local ACC Network affiliate is carrying the game. It’s being carried by a fairly broad group of carriers, but I am not so lucky today. The closest affiliate for me is in Youngstown, Ohio.

Thankfully the game is also on ESPN3.com. It is also on the ESPN FullCourt package if you have it. Just to twist the knife, at the start of conference play there is usually a free preview week of FullCourt to suck you in at midseason. But wouldn’t you know it, the preview starts (PDF) on Monday, January 6. Some good news is that it will include the Wake Forest game on Saturday, January 11.

This team is still trying to figure itself out. How good it is. What it’s make-up is. No, not Pitt. That’s what NC State is saying about themselves.

A young, reconfigured Wolfpack (10-3) team will learn more about itself in ACC play, which starts Saturday at home against Pittsburgh, fifth-year senior forward Jordan Vandenberg said.

“We’re getting an identity,” Vandenberg said. “We’re not there yet.”

There’s no doubt the Wolfpack has been better with Vandenberg, who missed the first four games with an ankle injury, in the lineup. Since Vandenberg’s return, the Pack is 8-1 with a four-point loss to Missouri as the sole blemish.

Vandenberg has averaged 7.1 points and 4.9 rebounds in nine games. He also leads the team with 21 blocks.

NC State reminds me a lot of St. John’s under Steve Lavin. There’s plenty of talent on the team but they are not always on the same page and regularly take plays and games off. Tend to play up and down to the level of their opponent. This shouldn’t be a surprise since Mark Gottfried is their coach.

Gottfried and Lavin were both assistants under Jim Harrick UCLA. So much about them is similar. They can recruit like crazy, but they aren’t exactly inspiring as an in-game coach.

Make no mistake, though, despite all the kids that left NC State after last year — C.J. Leslie, Rodney Purvis, Lorenzo Brown, Scott Wood and Richard Howell — there is still a lot of raw talent on this squad. It includes two freshmen forwards that Pitt pursued early (Beejay Anya) and late (Lennard Freeman).

Their front court with Vandenberg and especially T.J. Warren will be a big challenge for Pitt.

One of their key weaknesses, foul shooting. They are only shooting 64.2% as a team. But the three guys who have taken over half their free throws — Warren, Anthony Barber and Desmond Lee are shooting a bit better than 70%

On the Pitt side, there is an eagerness to begin conference play.

Talib Zanna added: “We are really excited about this, it is a new conference and a new beginning and we have to go out and work on what we have prepared for the whole summer. We have a lot of veterans and we are really excited for this.

“There are a lot of good teams with a lot of history behind their names like Duke and North Carolina, but we can’t think about that. We just have to go play the way we play and take the Big East game into the ACC.”

It bears repeating. This is not the football side of things. Pitt is not taking a step up in conference competition compared to last year. This is just stepping into new arenas and new foes (somewhat).

“It’s really the Big East now,” ESPN college basketball analyst Jay Bilas, a Duke alumnus, said of the ACC. “Look at all the Big East teams in the league.”

It’s true that, with Pitt, Notre Dame and Syracuse joining Boston College, Miami and Virginia Tech — and Louisville on its way — that half of the ACC’s membership next season will be composed of former Big East schools.

Which is why everyone inside and outside the conference is dismissive of talk that Pitt will have to adapt to an ACC style of play.

“There is no ‘ACC style’ anymore,” Bilas said. “That’s an antiquated notion of how things used to be.”

Even with NC State, Dixon doesn’t see anything too new.

“They’re similar in a lot of things that they do and what we do,” Dixon said.

“Mainly (a) man-to-man defensive team that takes great pride in their execution of their half-court sets. We played against Coach Gottfried when he was at Alabama, and he’s still running those UCLA sets. We’re familiar with it, not at all surprised by what he’s using.”

It will be interesting to see if Durand Johnson can snap out of his slump. And boy has he been slumping. He is 0-4 on 3s in 3 of the last 4 games. 5-27 on 3s in the last 7 games. When he’s attacking the basket he is 13-22 not to mention getting to the free throw line where he is nearly automatic. But he loves shooting from outside. Just as J.J. Moore did.

Which is why seeing Cam Wright elevate his offensive game this year has been both surprising but really important. Obviously, big games are needed from Zanna and Lamar Patterson. Mike Young, hopefully has been working with the coaches about finishing at the basket stronger. His biggest problem on offense has been typical for a freshman. Gathering the ball and making himself smaller and easier to be contested or stuffed when he tries to go back up for a score.





Earlier today I went to the Ken Pomeroy site to check on our standing (#7 as Booby stated).

He had 3 posts breaking down the competitiveness for conference champions. The ACC was #8 and by his methods PITT was placed second behind Cuse.

He also made the comment that PITT could go 13-5, win the conference, & still not be ranked in the AP poll due to the timing of the 5 losses.

Just goes to show what preseason vibe, & a weak noncom schedule can do to nationwide perception.

Comment by PITT-cocks fan 01.05.14 @ 3:21 pm

Boyd, Jennings, Weatherspoon, Gardner, and Jones sounds like a lot of receptions to me! Hail to Pitt! Great win yesterday, and good luck tonight getting Jennings!

Comment by Sweet Caroline 01.05.14 @ 3:38 pm

I understand the hesitation with JR. Not flashy doesn’t go far enough with him … but, the kid is a winner. In High School and now college and when the game is on the line he makes huge plays. Not big but huge. Plus he’s probably the 2nd best defender on the court for Pitt. Would I be surprised if Newkirk passes him next year? No. I don’t think he does though. JR has that year 2 to 3 improvement Jamie’s known for written all over him. He’s already fundamentally sound, now he needs that confidence that Wright is finally playing with.

Comment by Tossing Thabeets 01.05.14 @ 3:53 pm

It appears that Golden has just turned down PSU .. he released a statement that he intends on staying at the U. Munchak appears to be the favorite now unless they can attract Franklin.

Comment by wbb 01.05.14 @ 4:03 pm

Golden would be an idiot to leave Miami and those recruiting grounds for Pedo St. I don’t care how many brainwashed cult followers fill the stadium.

Comment by Pittastic 01.05.14 @ 4:13 pm

Mike White, PG, reports that Jennings is expected to announce tonight at All-star game … Pitt, Iowa or Arkansas. Unlike predictions of previous candidates, Pitt appears to have a decent chance. Even though his official visit is scheduled for 1/17, he seems to like Pitt a lot.

PC to be guest at BCS Films on EPPN News .. whatever that means.

Comment by wbb 01.05.14 @ 4:41 pm

Hillgrove was going crazy on the radio yesterday. I had to listen as I was moving furniture and aggravating my back.

Comment by Penguins Fan 01.05.14 @ 4:43 pm

I know I’m speaking as a Pitt fan, but maybe now that he knows that Kampara is going elsewhere, Jennings is now fully committed to coming here

Comment by wbb 01.05.14 @ 4:48 pm

For a WR given what is going with Pitt and being the ACC that just seems attractive… better than other choices… Jennings looks good for us and lined up right…

Comment by Pittscript 01.05.14 @ 4:52 pm

Coach Susie and Pitt Women get their first ACC win. Good hire, even Stevie couldn’t screw this one up

Comment by wbb 01.05.14 @ 5:08 pm

remember when Pitt beat out PSU for a recruit, there were always PSU fans claiming that PSU quit recruiting that recruit anyway

Now, they claim that Golden (1) wasn’t a good coach anyway (2) never received an offer, and/or (3) wasn’t even a top candidate anyway

Denial U!

Comment by wbb 01.05.14 @ 5:46 pm

wwb, I just read that the Penn State search committee’s favored choices were Golden and Franklin. Now that Golden has taken himself out of consideration that opens things for Franklin. Or possibly Munchak, if they can’t work things our. Of course we’ll hear that whoever they get, was the guy they wanted all along.

Comment by Justinian 01.05.14 @ 6:51 pm

Franklin will NOT get a NFL gig. He could wait out for the Gators next year but I see him saying yes and the news hitting by mid morning tomorrow.

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.05.14 @ 7:00 pm

Interesting group of schools, ACC, B1G, or SEC.

Hope he picks us.

Comment by gc 01.05.14 @ 7:07 pm

The sites I’ve looked at have Adonis Jennings interest high for Pitt and for Iowa and warm for Arkansas.

Comment by Justinian 01.05.14 @ 7:11 pm

Franklin lives in Nashville, home of both Vandy and the Titans. Vandy has won back to back bowl games for the 1st time in its history under Franklin.

My thinking is that the overwhelming sentiment in Music city is to hire the college coach, especially since he is getting interest from other NFL teams. Just a guess

Comment by wbb 01.05.14 @ 7:24 pm

Really hoping for Jennings. Jared Shanker at ESPN and the 247sports.com guys are saying it looks like he’s going to be pick Pitt, so here’s hoping they’re correct. Dokish says Jennings compares very favorably in terms of size and skill level to Antonio Bryant.

As far as Penn State goes, I can’t see Franklin leaving his current post for Penn State. Maybe I’m missing something, but I’m failing to see how three more years of sanctions, scholarship limitations and no post-season play is an attractive option. Yes, Penn State could throw a crap-ton of money at him, but he could also stay at Vandy next year, have even a respectable 8-5 season and still command the same amount of money from whatever higher-profile SEC/Big XII team falls on its face next year. To that end, I’d argue that going to Penn State may be a less attractive option than what he’s currently got at Vanderbilt.

I don’t know. Like I said, maybe I’m wrong. I just don’t see how Penn State and everything that comes with it is something that suits a guy who appears to have his fair share of options.

Comment by Stoosh 01.05.14 @ 7:49 pm

He grew up in PA and in essence to him that is one of his dream jobs probably. Prodigal Son coming home… Muchak doesn’t creat excitement and Franklin is new blood and can recruit. I think it happens. If Franklin turns it down then Munchak gets a serious look.

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.05.14 @ 7:57 pm

Jennings to Pitt is a lock unless he wants to go to Arkansas. But don’t see a kid from Jersey going to Arkansas. Pitt will be his choice. 99.7%

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.05.14 @ 7:58 pm

Adonis Jennings is a little more athletic and a faster than Kamara. He would be an excellent addition to Pitt’s receiving corps. If you remember, things got tougher when Devin Street got hurt. When people double Tyler Boyd, it’s nice if you have other play makers.

Comment by Justinian 01.05.14 @ 8:19 pm

Two points.

Could Pitt’s basketball team slow start(s) be due to fear of the officiating. No one seems sure how a game will be called especially with the so called new rules? No player wants two quick fouls in the first 5 mins.

Was there something wrong with the NC State basket on the right of our TV screens? Both teams shot very poorly going that way. Of course, defenses were better for both teams that direction.

Comment by Old Pitt Grad 01.05.14 @ 8:29 pm

That’s a very interesting point Old Pitt and something that crossed my mind as well. Both teams were horrid on the same rim. Could it have been ‘tighter’ than the other rim ?

It’s not beyond reason. Which is why they change what basket you shoot at… at halftime.

Watched the tape on Jennings, he would be a nice addition to the receiving corps. #H2P

Comment by Emel 01.05.14 @ 8:42 pm

I highly doubt Franklin would go to PSU. It’s at least 6 or 7 years before they’ll legitimately be able to compete and even that’s pushing it. Munchak makes sense because he’s a loyalist who will play the game with the alumni while keeping PSU afloat. As soon as PSU is in the clear and can compete, he’d be out and that’s when they’d land the big name. PSU is dreaming if they think anything else. Even Golden who said it would be nice to go home turned it down. Munchak has no shot at another head gig in the NFL and would probably be embarrassed to going back to being a position coach.

Comment by Tossing Thabeets 01.05.14 @ 8:53 pm

Blatherites:

Anyone know how “weird” it is to have such a big divergence between a kenpom ranking and the ap/coaches, like pitt has right now?

Comment by DD 01.05.14 @ 9:05 pm

Jennings should come to Pitt for the reasons stated above… as a WR from NJ why Iowa? … and Arkansas?? Particularly with this offense and Chryst’s reputation as a pro style, quality offensive coach.

Franklin does not end up at Ped State… they settle for their 3rd choice from a flawed list because the “Paterno faction” is bitching too much… making a big mistake…. mediocrity. as others wrote munchak on the decline as a coach, not upswing..

Comment by Pittscript 01.05.14 @ 9:13 pm

@wbb, good point on Kamara… I think that was key… no sense coming here when there is only 1 open slot for top received for next 2-3 years.

@wbb, nice angle with the Nashville angle and Franklin too… makes sense.

@ tossing T… good points and why they are making mistake they are about to make…

So now that Kamra committed Jennings has no reason to wait and can pull the trigger with where he knows he fits best.

I think similar to the QBs… once Chryst’s nephew committed Stanford then the other one committed right away.

pretty good look

Comment by Pittscript 01.05.14 @ 9:19 pm

Franklin loves Nashville, Vandy and the West End. His community ties are deep, similar to JD & and his family’s ties to Pittsburgh. Can’t see him leaving the best conference, a city that is one of the top 10 MSA’s in the US for State College and the stigma.

Comment by Old School Panther 01.05.14 @ 9:42 pm

Of course Penn State’s 3rd choice, will be the guy they wanted all along!

Comment by Justinian 01.05.14 @ 9:56 pm

WAKE about to take down UNC in WF

Comment by rhyno527 01.05.14 @ 10:02 pm

Beat me to it Rhyno

Comment by Pitt Dad 01.05.14 @ 10:05 pm

@ DD

I believe Kenpom had us at #2 or #3 earlier in the year.

And Sagarin had us a #10 or so earlier as well.

Major Media has it in for us, so it would seem.

No other way to explain it since ESPN’s own RPI has us at #18.

And their BPI (basketball Power Index) has at a
#7. lol

Surely these AP boobs look at those ranking services.

Comment by Emel 01.05.14 @ 10:06 pm

link to espn.go.com

BPI at #7. AP jerkoffs.

Comment by Emel 01.05.14 @ 10:07 pm

Final – Wake 73 UNC 67

Comment by Pitt Dad 01.05.14 @ 10:10 pm

To go further, EVERYONE in ESPN’s Top 20 BPI is ranked in both the AP and Coaches but us & Creighton.

But we’re at #7 while Creighton is only #20.

Hey it’s like this, we don’t get any respect from our own 2 major newspapers. So why should the National Media sportwriters give us any.

UPMC needs to buy the near bankrupt Post-Gazette.

Comment by Emel 01.05.14 @ 10:11 pm

Then they won’t have to hear about Highmark either.
lol

Comment by Emel 01.05.14 @ 10:12 pm

UNC has now lost to all these unranked teams:

Wake Forest
Alabama-Birmingham
Belmont
Texas

Still ranked though.

Comment by Emel 01.05.14 @ 10:15 pm

@Emel – maybe not by this time tomorrow night.

Comment by Pitt Dad 01.05.14 @ 10:16 pm

Actually we should have been pulling for the Dukies to win yesterday. You would want them as highly ranked as possible when they come to The Pete.

Comment by Emel 01.05.14 @ 10:19 pm

Was perusing our team stats.

Our starting guards have made a TOTAL of 10 3’s this year.

Really need someone else besides Lamar making 3’s. (L has made 26 3’s)

Durand Durand has slipped to 30% from 3 (has 18 3’s)

Comment by Emel 01.05.14 @ 10:27 pm

Emel, As much as we like to matter, who we root for has little outcome on the result. We just take a little pleasure in seeing North Carolina and Duke getting beat every now and then. Particularily when it’s an ACC game.

Comment by Justinian 01.05.14 @ 10:46 pm

Hey anyone hear anything on the Jennings kid ?

@ Justin…my point was we would Duke as highly ranked as possible so that when we beat them, it propels us up the rankings farther.

If Duke keeps losing, and becomes unranked. Beating them is not going to help us get ranked or if we are ranked by then, won’t help us move up in the rankings.

Comment by Emel 01.05.14 @ 10:53 pm

the all-star game is at half, Jennings is supposed to announce sometime in 3rd quarter

No matter what, Pitt has just to keep on winning

Comment by wbb 01.05.14 @ 10:56 pm

wbb, Let us know what Jennings does. I’m going to bed. I stayed up late for the late bowl games.

Comment by Justinian 01.05.14 @ 11:07 pm

Jennings has done little for the East team so far.

Comment by Dr. Tom 01.05.14 @ 11:09 pm

Pitt is it – I’m going to bed

Comment by wbb 01.05.14 @ 11:17 pm

Welcome aboard Mr. Jennings, I may be biased but I think you have made an excellent choice. Hail to Pitt!

Comment by Dr. Tom 01.05.14 @ 11:17 pm

Jennings to Pitt

Comment by MariettaMike 01.05.14 @ 11:18 pm

Pitt it is!!!!

Comment by HbgFrank 01.05.14 @ 11:18 pm

Jennings to Pitt which was expected.

Comment by chethejet 01.05.14 @ 11:20 pm

Welcome to the Panther family, Mr. Jennings!

If we can get some improved play on the offensive line I would say we are looking at the makings of an excellent offense. Excited to see Boyd, Jennings, Green, Weah, Wuestner, Challingsworth, Boyd, Garner & Orndorff in action.

Comment by Bowling Green Panther 01.05.14 @ 11:21 pm

H2P!!!

Comment by panther94 01.05.14 @ 11:22 pm

Video?

Comment by panther94 01.05.14 @ 11:22 pm

Sure makes it a lot easier to take the Kamara to UVA decision in stride now. Jennings makes this average class appear much better all of a sudden.

Hopefully another surprise or two to round out the class and end up with a solid class come LOI signing day!

Comment by Dr. Tom 01.05.14 @ 11:24 pm

Good deal, now we have Tyler, Adonis and Zack.

We’re going to have a real nice receiving corps.

Welcome to Pitt, Mr Jennings !

Comment by Emel 01.05.14 @ 11:47 pm

I think Zack is going to play safety. Crazy week in sports…

Comment by Jackagain 01.05.14 @ 11:51 pm

right BG Panther

Maybe Bookser will be ready since he played d-line, he might be more athletic than a typical O-lineman.

And hopefully Biz will have a transformation (lol) into what we thought he was.

And may DJ gain about 30 pounds !

Could still use a LB or two for this class.

H2P

Comment by Emel 01.05.14 @ 11:53 pm

future is bright on the offensive side of the ball!

link to cardiachill.com

Let’s hope the evolve on the defensive side from coaching to scheme to players…

Comment by Pittscript 01.05.14 @ 11:54 pm

NC goes down at Wake Forest/ 4th loss for the Heels to a non ranked team. UConn is in a funk. Memphis gets hammered at home by Cincinnati. The Dukies get dumped by the struggling Irish. Villanova keeps rolling as does Wichata St. The only team in the ACC that deserves any consideration above Pitt is Syracuse. The Orange barely beat us once last year in 2 tries and although they have had a few big games they have also struggled like at Miami the other night. The ACC is ripe for the taking and the polls are way out of wack. We are as good as anybody in our conference and beyond Syracuse none of these teams deserve to be ranked higher than us. The preseason mistakes don’t hold water at this point and the polls need to adjust to reality.

Comment by spiritofsection22 01.06.14 @ 10:18 am

The only way Pitt loses to the terps at the Pete is to not show up at all. Maryland is a little better than the 113 rpi they are showing because they recently got a guard back off of an injury but they aren’t close to good. Riding in off the NC St win the Panthers should have a good night. Anything can happen in a conference match up but I like our chances.

Comment by spiritofsection22 01.06.14 @ 11:45 am

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