January 1, 2014

New Changes In Happy Valley

Filed under: Coaches,Football,Hire/Fire — Chas @ 11:46 pm

Yes, we all know that Bill O’Brien has left Penn State after two years.

Yes, this was a devastating piece on some of the things behind his departure by David Jones. Penn State has a particularly virulent,  nasty and visible group that has been able to gain extra influence. At the same time there is no major (and most minor ones) college program that doesn’t have a batshit crazy wing of fans/boosters. It’s really only a question of how much noise and influence they have.

Those are Penn State’s problems. How they deal or ignore their problems are something about which I don’t care to waste my time.

As a Pitt fan my concern is purely about self-interest.

The first thought turns to recruiting. Penn State made the smart move to make Larry Johnson, Sr. the interim head coach. He has no shot at the job. He has no real power. What he will do is help hold together the recruiting class until they hire a new coach. Johnson is their ace recruiter. He will certainly be on the staff for the next coach.

Here’s Penn State’s current recruiting class. First thing that jumps out is that there are only three recruits from Pennsylvania in that 19-man class, and only one from Western Pennsylvania (WR Troy Apke). I’m not sure that Pitt will be able to flip many of these recruits.

Pitt has been very poor in recruiting New Jersey in the last few years. Some because of Pitt’s own upheaval. Yet, despite changes at Rutgers and PSU as well, Pitt has only one recruit from NJ in last three years. Penn State has four kids in the class from New Jersey.

It would be nice to grab a couple of the PSU commits — especially on defense. I just don’t know what kind of groundwork was in place with the kids. Their best defensive commit — Thomas Holley  a 4-star DT from Brooklyn, NY — just chose PSU over Florida.

As for who PSU might hire, this seems like the ideal.

But in reality, the names rumored are about what you would expect: Mike Munchak, Al Golden, Greg Schiano and James Franklin.

There is a lot of skepticism that Al Golden would leave Miami after already having weathered the sanctions in Miami to do it again in Penn State.

There has been plenty of buzz that Greg Schiano was the focus for Penn State. A move that would freak out Rutgers more than Pitt. Schiano was a pretty good recruiter in New Jersey.

Now in an ideal world, PSU reacts accordingly by seeking a “Penn State guy.” That the administration bows to fan howling of wanting a guy that wants to be at Penn State. That is of Penn State. That won’t leave them. That leads them to hire Mike Munchak. He just screams 7-5.

James Franklin would be the inspired choice. Franklin is also a hot name. He’s rumored to be in the mix for the Texas job. He could wait a year for Florida. I imagine Maryland fans would be very upset if this one happened.

The one thing to point out. It isn’t nearly as easy as it used to be to hire a coach already at a place. The money is big everywhere. More and more coaches look at the entire package. Can they win bigger than where they are at? What’s in place? We’ve seen Michigan, Tennessee and UCLA all struggle to get their guy. Usually having to go through a couple options. Despite having the money, facilities and history.

I don’t see direct gains via current recruits, but their instability helps us indirectly long-term.

Comment by panther94 01.02.14 @ 12:07 am

So do the Pedo’s hire a Ped Stater who will have JoePedo’s statue brought out from hiding, have it dusted off and then placed in the Cow field next to Beaver Stadium.

Another question, does Franco have JoePedo’s stature in his living room ?

Comment by Emel 01.02.14 @ 1:04 am

Central Florida makes the AAC look respectable.

Comment by alcofan 01.02.14 @ 5:31 am

Bad news for Penn State is good news for Pitt. It’s interesting that PSU has so few PA recruits. The stink is stronger closer to home.

Comment by Caw Miller 01.02.14 @ 7:20 am

Pedo State wants to find a Guy that knows the Penn State Way. They want a guy that can communicate with the ghost of JoePa. They want a guy that can continue the Grand Experiment. They want a guy who’s good at making Kool Aid. They want a guy that will do anything to win and to glorify their sacred university. They want a guy as arrogant as themselves.

Comment by TX Panther 01.02.14 @ 7:34 am

I hope they hire a guy and he beats up his wife a week later and they fire. I love Penn St misery slightly less than I enjoy Pitt success.

Comment by Justin 01.02.14 @ 7:48 am

So in summary,

– Pitt won its bowl led by several freshmen and underclassmen
– PSU lost its head coach
– WVU didn’t make a bowl
– Fraud lost his bowl

Enjoy the moment Pitt fans for as we know ….

Comment by wbb 01.02.14 @ 8:14 am

After watching all these bowl games in the past couple of weeks I just don’t understand why a kid would want to play for PSU and sit out the bowl season and not be able to win a championship. Should be an interesting couple of weeks as the Nitters sort thru more of their wreckage and try to find a coach.

Meantime lets get Bostad on board and hire a SC coach and get those guys in the weight room and ready for spring ball.

We’ll said wbb.

Comment by Panther Fan in Hoopieland 01.02.14 @ 8:31 am

If they get Al Golden it will be a good hire. He would be nuts to leave Miami now, but you never know. He has many PA recruiting ties also.

I know we are joking about them getting a former Penn Stater, but be realistic. Every time Pitt has an opening most scream for a former Pitt guy whether he is qualified or not.

I don’t see Pitt getting any of their recruits.

Comment by notrocketscience 01.02.14 @ 8:38 am

Penn State in general lives in a state of denial

Prior to the sanctions
– the claim that there would be no sanctions because all the Sandusky since it wass non-FB stuff
– but if so, the entire Happy Valley is dependent upon PSU FB and certainly the NCAA wouldn’t shut off their livelihood (they actually made that claim over and over …. “hey judge, you can’t jail me for the major crimes because my family depends on me working”)

When the sanctions came
– they thought it would be overturned in courts
– despite the claim of PSU having more intgerity than all others, they blamed the NCAA instead of the PSU leaders that put them into this situation.
– they blamed the messenger .. namely the independent group hired by the university which found all ofthe admiistraive inproprieties
– many continue that JoePa was completely innocent

Now many cannot believe that the FB coach will voluntarily Happy Valley

I have little doubt that the FB will ewventually recover … but one of these days the entire PSU nation need to come to terms and realize just how horrendous the crimes were in an effort just to keep their program pristine (I am convinced that very few of them have)

Comment by wbb 01.02.14 @ 8:49 am

Again we see who rates in this town. PSU story on the front page of the PG on New Years Day. Huge articles with big pictures on the front page of the sports section today.

The fact that only one recruit from WPA is going to PSU says a lot about how lean the WPIAL was this year. Big reason for Pitt to recruit nationally. We used to get some good players out of Jersey, I guess no longer a priority.

We didn’t get anything “other than Johnson” when the whole thing blew up, don’t expect us to get anything now.

History tells us it is impossible to follow a legend. Especially in this case. But O’Brien and PSU have shown how indestructible the institution and the football culture is in Happy Valley.

Sandusky is in prison, Paterno is dead, the rest of those involved have ruined careers and reputations and may be going to prison.

Little has changed, PSU will be back on top before you know it.

It has little to do with us, other than we play them in a few years. I think we will be ready.

Comment by gc 01.02.14 @ 8:49 am

as always, I apologize for the gaps in my memo above .. my brain is ahead of my typing.

Comment by wbb 01.02.14 @ 8:55 am

The NCAA didn’t want the death sentence put on PSU,but with the coach leaving it still seems the hole is almost 6ft deep.
O’Brien was the perfect guy for the situation if he stayed throughout the sanctions, but that ship has sailed.
Golden is in the clear now, why would he leave the best recruiting land in the country.
Now who? Schiano? No way I’d stay for him or any other guy they luck into.
If I’m a recruit coming in now, I’d be looking somewhere else.
PSU is still a program in disarray.

Comment by Tackle Made by Hugh 01.02.14 @ 9:13 am

Why don’t we target Ohio for recruits? OSU has been the powerhouse in the B1G forever. This year they have 1 5 star and 13 4 stars verballed. Cinci has 13 3 stars. Seems to be a target rich environment right next door. Parents can drive to watch games.

Comment by gc 01.02.14 @ 9:17 am

If Tom Bradley is such an awesome coach like many of you say on here, why isn’t he rumored to return for the PSU job?

PSU got exactly what they wanted from O’Brien. When O’Brien was hired everyone knew he was going to go back to the NFL. His job was to keep program from completely falling apart. Not only did it not fall apart, he left the team with good recruits like that young QB. Cause of O’Brien PSU is now able to get a head coach that they wouldn’t have been able to get a couple years ago.

Comment by Wardapalooza 01.02.14 @ 9:20 am

agree totally wbb
well put.

Comment by Tackle Made by Hugh 01.02.14 @ 9:20 am

wbb, good posts!

Comment by markp 01.02.14 @ 9:25 am

Penn State is still a plum job. The scandal is now two years in the rear view mirror. The budget is huge. The culture and the will to win is still there. The B1G has few powerhouses and many also rans.

The coaching change is a blip, the clock on the sanctions keeps running out.

They will get their guy, just hope it isn’t Schiano. Wanny would devastate our WPA recruiting.

Comment by gc 01.02.14 @ 9:26 am

it wont be as easy as penn state fans think to get a name coach.
there AD will be gone in a few months there pres also no coach wants to be hired bye some one who is leaveing.
the lack of depth will show up this year this is not the job it would have been 6 years ago.

franklin is on the list of texas and the browns
why go to a school in trouble like penn state
it wont happen.
the penn state people are lost in time they need to ger real

Comment by Frankcan 01.02.14 @ 9:30 am

Penn St will pay plenty for a coach since they can afford to do so and they get so much revenue from FB.

It will be interesting to see what they are able to attract this time. You may remember that a couple of years ago, many potential candidates stayed away.

Comment by wbb 01.02.14 @ 9:35 am

wbb, the PSU nation will never come to terms the way you wish. It’s called cognitive dissonance. Take Franco for example.

Ask the 100,000 + that show up at every home game how much they care about the kids that were raped.

They would look at you like you were nuts.

Comment by gc 01.02.14 @ 9:37 am

Dokish has said the pitt coachs have let it be known that they dont want any of penn states D commits becuse they are done recruiting D players for this year.
he says pitt is really dumb if they mean that.

Comment by Frankcan 01.02.14 @ 9:43 am

The Pedos can’t believe that they are in the same boat as everyone else. Coaches find success – move on to greener pastures. Its how major college ball operates now. Worries about finding the “right guy” and keeping recruiting classes together are issues that they never thought that they would deal with at Happy Valley.

Comment by 2$Chuck 01.02.14 @ 9:43 am

penn state WR coach and strength coach will be going to the NFL with there old coach so i would like chryst to hire are strength coach before they hire theres dont want ue to be sloopy seconds

Comment by Frankcan 01.02.14 @ 9:47 am

How does this work now? Are we all still in the “quiet period”? If so, does that mean PSU cannot even talk to their verbal commits now? Or, are they allowed to talk if the commit contacts them? And, does this mean that we cannot talk to a PSU verbal unless they call us? Who knows the rules?


Comment by pmdH2P 01.02.14 @ 9:50 am

@Comment by Frankcan 01.02.14 @ 9:43 am

How could they be done recruiting defense? They literally just lost out on their two biggest targets in Nicholson and Henry in the past couple weeks?

There’s two spots on D right there.

Comment by BostonsCommon 01.02.14 @ 9:51 am

BostonCommon i dont know just posting what i read
dokish does not get it himself but the pitt coachs put the word out they are done recruiting D players for this year.
dokish said it is dumb and if true i think so to and i guess you do to

Comment by Frankcan 01.02.14 @ 10:03 am

Dokish tweeted this sarcastic gem late last night:

“I can only hope that some day Penn State can have the stability that the Pitt football program currently has.”

Anyway, Frankcan, if he’s right about PITT being “done” on D-recruiting, what can you say? How dumb can you be? But it’s PITT, there’s really nothing on the downside that can shock you.

Comment by BATR 01.02.14 @ 10:11 am

I take all of Doke’s comments with a grain of salt. He’s just another guy with an opinion, and I’ve found him to be frequently wrong.

That being said, his tweet is indeed a gem. Nice one BATR!

Comment by Atlanta Panther 01.02.14 @ 10:19 am

Here is the NCAA Football recruiting calendar for this year:

link to

Comment by Pitt Dad 01.02.14 @ 10:24 am

@Pitt Dad

Thanks. I have no idea what it means, but thanks.


Comment by pmdH2P 01.02.14 @ 10:28 am

Seriously? Because Dokish Tweets something it is true and we are going to start criticizing the Pitt staff once again.

Comment by notrocketscience 01.02.14 @ 10:32 am

@pmdH2P – right now it’s a “dead period” except that:

Institutional staff members may have contact with a prospective student-athlete who has been admitted for midyear enrollment, provided the prospective student-athlete has signed a National Letter of Intent or other offer of admission and/or financial aid to attend the institution and is required to be on campus to attend institutional orientation sessions for all students.

Comment by Pitt Dad 01.02.14 @ 10:36 am

hit send too soon

that dead period ends after tomorrow

Comment by Pitt Dad 01.02.14 @ 10:37 am

Another reason the Penn State drama is not over yet is that the ex-president and ex-AD have still not gone to trial. Until that finishes, there still will be a stink about PSU that will scare away top coaches. Young, hungry coaches will take the PSU job, and maybe has-been coaches, but no top coach should want the job.

Comment by Caw Miller 01.02.14 @ 10:44 am

pitt dad are you sure i did not think it ended till the 15th of jan

Comment by Frankcan 01.02.14 @ 10:45 am

Probably just means that Pitt has no chance with those guys. But the coaches can’t say that, can they?

Comment by maguro 01.02.14 @ 10:47 am

I only hope that the people calling the shots at State College are half as inept at making a choice as our people are. O’Brien was a great choice and they will be hard pressed to do nearly as well this time. We should worry about filling our own vacancies. We need a quality strength and conditioning coach and somebody who knows what they are doing on special teams as well. Chances are good we won’t get either, because there isn’t enough money to attract them. We run a half assed program and in college football you get what you pay for.

Comment by spiritofsection22 01.02.14 @ 10:51 am

@Frankcan – the calendar is confusing. There are various dead periods and quiet periods spread out between now and 4/15.

Comment by Pitt Dad 01.02.14 @ 10:58 am

Good call, Frankcan. Pitt needs to hire the best strength & conditioning coach they can before the cards re-shuffle. Not to mention a special teams coach.

Comment by 2$Chuck 01.02.14 @ 11:20 am

So, given the crazy set of rules that Pitt Dad found, does anyone know if our guys can pick up the phone and call a PSU verbal? Or, can we at least take a call from one—or from his mom? :-)


Comment by pmdH2P 01.02.14 @ 11:31 am


To PSU people: your coach was an obvious
transitional guy when hired. The Paterno
coaching model is obselete. You are
in the same situation as the rest of us. Money
and ambition drive people today. Good
luck and please work with Pitt to revive
one of the great rivalries in college
football. New coach, new AD, and playing
Pa football every year will help in getting
past the scandal.

Comment by JR 01.02.14 @ 11:34 am

I don’t see how even PSU could look at Franklin who is accussed of some rape coverup? Even if the guy is totally innocent I can’t see even PSU being that tone deaf.

Comment by Joe V 01.02.14 @ 11:47 am

PITTDAD if i remmber there are 2 days were they can have limted contact then can not talk to them agein till the 15th.

Comment by Frankcan 01.02.14 @ 11:49 am

Penn State Sucks. Penn State Sucks. P-E-N-N-S-T Sucks.

Comment by Atlanta Panther 01.02.14 @ 11:55 am

@Frankcan – I think you’re right but it’s hard to tell from the calendar I linked to above. That’s why the Athletic Department needs compliance officers. It’s way too complex.

Comment by Pitt Dad 01.02.14 @ 11:57 am

franklin wont go to penn state they are dreaming he is in line for the Texas job and the browns of NFL want to talk to him he wont tie him self to penn state plus as i said a new coach wants to have a AD that he can work with one that hired him
and the penn state AD is leaveing in a few months and there pres also.
so penn state is not stable so why would franklin put him self in that mess he wont.

Comment by Frankcan 01.02.14 @ 11:58 am

Read the comments attached to the David Jones article. Hilarious! They are so delusional that they think coaching at PSU is better than the Pros.

Plenty of trolls, but just plain funny stuff.

PSU was paying O’Brien 3.6 mill. If you think they will have a hard time getting a great coach in that range, keep dreaming.

It will probably go up since OSU is paying Meyer over 7 mill.

When you criticism and compare Pitt’s coaches and results keep that in mind.

Joe V is that a pseudonym? Good point though.

Comment by gc 01.02.14 @ 12:05 pm

Penn State fan base is getting what they deserve. O’Brien told them, in Dave Jones segment, that they are living in the Paterno era and until that cloud disappears they will always want what they will never get. Being a Pitt alum, I have taken more shit from my Penn State and WVU buddies over the coaching carolsel that we have beeen on over the past 4 years. Glad to be the one that can “gloat” a little bit as the PSU brain trust determines who will be the new coach. Can only imagine the bitching from the PSU fans over whomever that choose. Yet, I can almost see the headines from the biased PA newspapers on how the “new” coach will be the best thing ever. Living in the Allentown area, I was shaking my head this morning to see the PSU coaching bullshit on the front page of the Allentown paper(Morning Call). I am so sick as to how PSU has been able to control the news media in the entire state but can’t do much about if(other than to laugh and think to myself that PSU will never again be the school that people think is so GOD DAMN better than poor Pitt)

Comment by Bruce F 01.02.14 @ 12:17 pm

Black shoes dairies claimed b Obrien lacks Pedstate values and doesn’t know what it takes to be a Pedstate coach. So I guess that means he would have turned in a monstrous child molester

Comment by Steve 01.02.14 @ 12:21 pm

penn state fans are delusional they may have got a top coach 5 or 6 years ago but not now. hey the AD is leaveing the pres is leaveing.
the depth will not be there next year what really good coach wants that mess.

Comment by Frankcan 01.02.14 @ 12:23 pm

Jones being intervewed right now on the Fan by Zeise

Comment by wbb 01.02.14 @ 12:27 pm

Jones mentioned that there is minority of PSU fans that is the Paterno faction … but a very vocal minority. He also mentioned Franco.

He said that he thought O’Brien would have headed to NFL anyway, and got a great contract from Houston, probably $25 to 30M.

He thinks Franklin or Golden are the prime candidates but thinks PSU should go after a more offensive-oriented type, and needs to appeal to Hackenburg (QB)

He did mention that possible rape cover-up at Vandy and that the facts wouldn’t be totally uncovered until after a coach was hired

Comment by wbb 01.02.14 @ 12:40 pm

O’Brien’s offense was light years ahead of what they had been running up there under JayPa – of course, any offense would have looked better by comparison. He was also a very good recruiter, and did an amazing job of keeping the program focused on the field and the team united.

The Nitters will be fine in the long run – the program is essentially too big to fail – but I agree with some on here who say they will be challenged to do as well with their hire this time around. Frankcan makes an excellent point about the pending departure of their AD. That muddies the waters even more.

I don’t hold out much hope for flipping any of their recruits. We don’t seem to go head to head with PSU on many recruits anymore. I do wish this Pitt staff would get back into Jersey. That area had been very good to Pitt over the years.

Comment by Iron Duke 01.02.14 @ 12:45 pm

As far as the PSU recruits:

The more questions you ask, the smaller and smaller the audience gets.

1. How many will really not stick to their commitment. Time has shown, most will stay.

2. Out of those that may waiver, how many of these does Pitt actually have positions of need for??

3. Out of those that may waiver, how many of those also had Pitt on their original list??

4. Out of those that may waiver, how many did Pitt even recruit, or get to know??

5. Are we even allowed to contact them to begin with??

So, wouldn’t let any of the “can we somehow get something out of this” stuff let you get your knickers in a knot.

p.s. If someone calls Pitt or gets in contact with someone at Pitt, and says, “hey, I’d like to talk to you about coming to Pitt”, sure, why not.

Comment by Dan 01.02.14 @ 12:52 pm

I know who a lot of PSU’ers are cheering against.

He looks like he’d have the stank of 5-7, 7-5, 6-6 all over him for years.

I can’t say that I disagree.

Comment by Dan 01.02.14 @ 12:56 pm

ha ha, I didn’t put the name!!!!! Schiano.

Comment by Dan 01.02.14 @ 12:56 pm

Dan, once the dead period is over, we can contact any commit from any school that hasn’t signed an LOI. You can claim that it’s unethical but it is not illegal or uncommon.

We flipped Sclieper late in the running, while you may recall Morelli was flipped by the UPS

Comment by wbb 01.02.14 @ 1:01 pm

Todd Graham just ‘checked in’ on Facebook….

“Penni’s favorite place– she has family that owns it, and we’ve always loved the NorthEast!” – Penn St Creamery

Texting your players that you quit is so 2011. Facebook is the way to do it now!

Initially, when I saw the location, I wasn’t sure if he was talking about the ice cream store or showers in the football locker room…

Comment by Big Bill 01.02.14 @ 1:14 pm

good comments by Wbb and others. Thanks, interesting the comments that PSU may have hard time than the past… agreed yet the ‘too big to fail’ aspect is pretty true.

our best luck is that the wacko faction is whipped into a frenzy and forces PSU to make a bad choice/decision…

as for recruits little hope… honestly, in terms of flipping recruits I was holding out hope for something crazy to happen at WVU to see if we could flip some of theirs… such as Henry waking up and coming to his senses (or his mother) and just how terrible a decision he made…

Comment by Pittscript 01.02.14 @ 1:15 pm

@wbb, ya, I wasn’t sure about any of that.

Unethical, is there really such a word when it comes to college football recruiting?? ha ha

I’m good if they can steal some or even a few, my point is, some think that Pitt would be the fallback school to a lot of these kids.

I don’t know. How many kids were down to Pitt and Penn State as their last two choices?? I guess you could pursue them.

I would imagine, a lot of these kids were down to Penn State and say, Mich or Ohio St. or so and so. So, how would we fit into the picture with them??

If we can get some, I’ll take em’!!!!

Would be interesting to know how many were down to Pitt/Penn St. though.

Comment by Dan 01.02.14 @ 1:17 pm

2016 Basketball Mustapha Heron

Comment by cas myzlinski 01.02.14 @ 1:21 pm

Big Bill that’s a 2 for 1! LMFAO.

Comment by Atlanta Panther 01.02.14 @ 1:22 pm

It is enjoyable to watch Penn St sweat. Before we start gloating too much remember they would never settle for what we have in place. Any real football school wouldn’t. They are talking about attracting a front line coach with real credentials. We roll the dice with hopefuls and wanna bes. I am glad they are in a mess but until we are standing strong I am hesitant to start kicking anyone. We could break some windows in our glass house.

Comment by spiritofsection22 01.02.14 @ 1:24 pm

@ cas , I just heard Herron is coming. I hear he is a top 15 recruit.

Comment by spiritofsection22 01.02.14 @ 1:26 pm

Basketball recruiting really seems to be picking up. Not sure if it is just Slice, but it is encouraging.

Comment by cas myzlinski 01.02.14 @ 1:35 pm

Who cares about this PSU nonsense, when Pitt just got Mustapha Heron.

On 247Sports, the guy is the number 7 recruit in the nation, number 1 PG.

Comment by Wardapalooza 01.02.14 @ 1:49 pm

yeah, let’s count coaches now at PSU the way the media did for Pitt … so what is the total? 4 in 3 years?

As for Pitt football it will be interesting to see how PC adjusts and adapts… just like Dixon making moves with his coaching staff that seem to be paying off let’s see how PC makes some small adjustments to help recruiting… Special teams, etc.

Comment by Pittscript 01.02.14 @ 2:46 pm

Rivals BTW has him as a #13 player (how they know this when he’s 14 is pretty funny). They project him to get to 6’9″ going into college.

link to

Hope we can keep him…

Comment by Jackagain 01.02.14 @ 2:52 pm

We got Mustapha? I thought that you meant he is coming for a visit. I vote for a major raise for Slice.


Comment by pmdH2P 01.02.14 @ 2:52 pm

I wonder if we’re recruiting this guy?

“Temple Gibbs, 2016 SG, NY Panthers: The younger brother of Ashton and Sterling Gibbs, Temple looks like he could have a chance of being just as good as them. A talented scorer, Gibbs is a threat to put points on the board as soon as he crosses half court. He has a decent jumper and finds his way to the rim. Right now, he is only 6-foot-1 and may need to work on his point guard skills in the event he doesn’t grow; but there’s no doubting he can score the rock.”

link to

Comment by Jackagain 01.02.14 @ 3:00 pm

We need to recruit better in New Jersey and Maryland. While continuing to work Ohio and getting as many of the top prospects in western PA, as we can. In the Dave Wannstedt years, Pitt did well in New Jersey. They need to bring in someone else from NJ or eastern PA to effectively recruit there.

Comment by Justinian 01.02.14 @ 3:02 pm

Maybe Jamie will lend the football team Slice to help out in the off season.

Comment by spiritofsection22 01.02.14 @ 3:41 pm

ask yourself this maverick rowan is a 6 foot 4 SG also for 2016 will he stay with pitt two 4 star SG for the same year will rowan think he was screwed over

Comment by Frankcan 01.02.14 @ 4:02 pm

@Frankcan, Mustapha will be at least a SF and will be at least 6’6 by then. Duke and NC often go 3 or 4 deep at guard with McDonalds and Parade All Americans. Nobody is getting “screwed over” we are just attracting better talent. The Mustafa kids Dad played with Rohrsen. Get used to a lot of top kids wanting to come to Pitt because that is what our future holds. Top programs with top coaches get top players.

Comment by spiritofsection22 01.02.14 @ 4:14 pm

spirit ok but will maverick know that hope some one is talking to him

Comment by Frankcan 01.02.14 @ 4:33 pm

penn state wants a new coach in place in a few days not weeks.
that tells me that it will be schiano or that they are smokeing good stuff and they are wackey becuse no big time coach will come that quick it will drag on for weeks unless it ie schiano or a coach from the mac or some one like bradley.

Comment by Frankcan 01.02.14 @ 4:41 pm

Frankcan, These kids know what they are getting into. They also know that 2 years is along ways away. They can change there mind. This Mustapha kid looks like he will grow into a power forward but nobody can predict growth for a high school sophomore. I know this ,he can flat out play, and he wants to come here, so much so that he already has verbally committed. That is great news no matter who else is coming.

Comment by spiritofsection22 01.02.14 @ 4:49 pm

@Frankcan, I concur with your Schiano assumption. Face it that is as good as it is going to get for Penn St. Nobody on the way up wants that job , everything is expected and you have your hands tied behind your back. Schiano is the best of those headed the other direction so at least they might be able to get him quick. The Penn St crowd will always think they can do better but about the time he said no, they would be in trouble. In the end he is no great catch but he will do in a pinch, and they are in one.

Comment by spiritofsection22 01.02.14 @ 4:57 pm

spirit it is good news but maverick is a great player also just dont want to lose him.
so i hope they told him that the outher kid will be a SF bye 2016.

Comment by Frankcan 01.02.14 @ 5:01 pm

spirit yes they are in a pinch do to the fact they have painted them selves into a corner with the statement of haveing a coach in days not weeks

even if franklin would go there which i think he wont he would want to see how the texas coach search went first as he is in line for that plus the NFL browns want to talk to him.

so there is no way he would go to penn state in a few days. so it will be schiano or it will take longer then they think

Comment by Frankcan 01.02.14 @ 5:12 pm

Franklin is on the way up and he doesn’t need his hands tied at Penn St to get to the top jobs. The only reason Schiano will take it is because he needs a parachute after the Tampa flight.

Comment by spiritofsection22 01.02.14 @ 5:17 pm

spirit you are so right. and the best part is most at penn state dont want him the fans i mean i just love that. hope he goes there.

Comment by Frankcan 01.02.14 @ 5:22 pm

Frankcan, As much as they don’t like the choice I think they better hope he takes it because it could get ugly. A guy like Franklin doesn’t have to take the kind of chances that are involved at Penn St. If you take a top job you have to produce wins and at Penn St overcome sanctions. Franklin can command just as good of a job without sanctions. He also would be foolish to draw attention to an alleged rape coverup that occurred on his watch. That kind of scrutiny would come with the Penn St. position. I think Schiano is their boy unless Munchak is feeling some heat.

Comment by spiritofsection22 01.02.14 @ 5:41 pm

PSU is new to this coaching-search business. They haven’t taken into account that the first couple guys they offer will end up having a “change of heart” once they get a raise from their present school.

Go Pitt.

Comment by MajorMajors 01.02.14 @ 5:55 pm


Why would an NFlL coach want to return to a college
team? All of these guys must hate chasing 18 year old
kids who hold a news conference and do the hat
thing. In addition to having a recruit’s mother comment
on defensive strategy.

Comment by JR 01.02.14 @ 6:36 pm

I’d love them to get Schiano, I’ve seen that coach before!!!

Disappointed if they got Golden. He’d be in for the long haul and set up camp.

Franklin, eh, he’s good I guess, but it would just be another 2 years or so until he wanted to go somewhere else. Wouldn’t be there long.

Probably won’t be any of these, but would be sweet if it was someone the base didn’t want.

I can name that tune, in 2 notes Tom!!

Comment by Dan 01.02.14 @ 6:47 pm

Oh, from browsing some message boards, the overwhelming majority of Staters want nothing to do with Schiano.

Comment by Dan 01.02.14 @ 6:49 pm

@Dan , That’s what is great about Schiano. The Staters don’t want him and he is probably as good as they can get under the current circumstances. The good coaches that they could normally attract don’t want to take a 2 year handicap so they get stuck with the guys who can’t hold a job. Isn’t it fun to see them suffer. To make it all more fun they have to act quick or they could lose a top recruiting class to attrition. It’s a perfect storm.

Comment by spiritofsection22 01.02.14 @ 7:00 pm

I am a nudge but i cant help that so i will ask this every few days were is are strength and conditioning coach hire one soon.

Comment by Frankcan 01.02.14 @ 8:57 pm

I think Steve Pederson should help with the PSU search. He is good at it.

Seriously, the Pittsburgh Media has failed again to report how many coaches PSU has gone through in two years. (Paterno, Bradley, O’Brien, Johnson). That is four. The 5th is on the way. That is why I don’t pay for local newspapers. The bias is incredibly slanted, which is surprising. One would think that Pederson would have those old-timer reporters out on the course schmoozing, but they caught on to him long ago. He is bad news!

Great to see TD in the Nissan hall of fame house commercials sporting the old jersey! Pederson needs to take a hint. Congrats to Jamie on a good lean! Hopefully we get one of the big guys too!

Comment by dhuffdaddy 01.02.14 @ 9:01 pm

I like Mike Haywood for the PSU job. He’s available and itching to get back into coaching, They could have him signed up tomorrow if they wanted to.

Comment by dinosaur 71 01.02.14 @ 10:39 pm

Went out to watch the 1st half of the Alabama game tonight. Started talking about Ped St with nitter fans, they said there’s a real chance that the Clery Act investigation is going to show a few player transgressions, including one by each of Coach Johnson’s sons. Could they be that stupid to name him coach if they know that’s coming?

Comment by marcus of schaumburg 01.02.14 @ 11:29 pm

Bob Stoops is wearing a sweatshirt during the game tonight.

It’s an outrage!

Comment by Joe Lawrence 01.03.14 @ 12:05 am

He did look like a doofus. At least get a pullover with a collar on it. Also was he representing Oklahoma or nike ?

Make up your mind. This corporate crap has gotten out of control.

Too bad that game couldn’t have ended in a tie.
Can’t stand either coach or university.

Bumpkin U for both fits.

Comment by Emel 01.03.14 @ 5:11 am

nike sux btw, I have a pair of their running shoes, I ONLY wore when I didn’t feel like wearing loafers/etc to go out in. They never saw ANY running nor any sporting activity at all, unless you want to call walking…a sport. (no, not those olympic d-bags who contort themselves to walk)

Anyway the uppers on these things are still in perfect condition, however the soles have disengaged themselves from the rest of the shoe.
Flap, flap, flap. So since it was only one, I said f it. Then the whole back piece of the sole just fell out. These things were not cheap.

Garbage, I’ll never buy anymore nike crap ever again. Made in China naturally. And most if not all China stuff is garbage.

Also Michael Jordan (who’s worth 100’s of millions) should divest himself of nike. He has plenty of money forever, his kids never have to work and might save a few lives of kids who kill eachother to own a pair of his crap shoes.

Rant over.

Comment by Emel 01.03.14 @ 5:20 am

Oh ….buy New Balance shoea.

Made in America !!!
link to

Comment by Emel 01.03.14 @ 5:24 am

Chuck Taylors aren’t the same since they went to Nam.

Comment by alcofan 01.03.14 @ 5:33 am

All that talent and an award winning senior quarterback, Saban should be fired. LOL

All joking aside, that was a great football game.

All four and five stars do look different than what we have been fielding.

Not since Johnny and Jackie have we played in that league.

Defense and recruiting matters, I hope our coaches were watching.

Big Time Football.

Comment by gc 01.03.14 @ 8:47 am

4 star QB michael oconnor will not enroll at penn state in january now.
i guess he will look at outher schools now good anything that is bad for penn state is good.
i hope they lose more commits.

Comment by Frankcan 01.03.14 @ 10:56 am


Why do some of you care about the
clothes a coach wears??? It is bizarre

Comment by JR 01.03.14 @ 11:20 am

@JR, Because Chryst looked so stupid at the Navy game. Then we lost and made it worse.

Comment by spiritofsection22 01.03.14 @ 11:52 am

Listening to O’Brian presser in Houston on the FAN 93.7. Although he thanked the players he did not say anything about the PSU administration. It is apparent that he had issues.

Comment by JP 01.03.14 @ 12:23 pm

Was just in my car listening to the locker room show. For those of you out of towners, this is primarily a steeler show with Tunch Ilkin and Craig Wolfley. For the past two seasons Tom Bradley has been a regular. He was analyzing last nights big game. He is very good at it.

What a shame that his coaching career has been put on hiatus due to the PSU scandal. He is an unbelievably talented guy, who obviously can communicate and coach at the highest levels.

He is extremely well liked and well thought of even by the opposition. A great recruiter.

Too bad no one is able to look past his perceived association with a very sick situation.

Collateral damage, what a waste.

Comment by gc 01.03.14 @ 12:30 pm

Last night proved once again the importance of a ferocious pass rush.

Today’s offenses are so good that the only way to stop them is with turnovers. Pressure on the QB is where it all starts. House, are you paying attention?

Did you see what Michigan State’s defensive line did to Stanford?

We need bigger, badder, faster players, go get some!

Comment by gc 01.03.14 @ 12:36 pm

I heard Munchek has a meeting today with Titan ownership/management. If he feels the heat or gets fired there is another NFL coach on the way down to join Schiano in the mix. I still think Golden and Franklin are on the way up and would be foolish to seek employment among the pedophiles.

Comment by spiritofsection22 01.03.14 @ 12:36 pm

When you get behind, you have to be able to throw and catch the ball. Alabama’s weakness, they were never tested in this area.

Golden would be crazy to leave Miami. Charlie Strong built a pretty good team with Miami’s leftovers.

Comment by gc 01.03.14 @ 12:43 pm

gc, The real damage was to the kids that got abused by these monsters. My heart holds no mercy for them or those who associated with them. Those that covered it up should share the same cell with those who caused the pain. Paterno was a lame excuse for a human being for allowing that to go on. All they touched is stained.

Comment by spiritofsection22 01.03.14 @ 12:55 pm

spirit, agreed 100%. But guilt by association is wrong. People who were not aware of what was going on are not to blame. Bradley as far as I know has not been accused of any wrong doing. Only he knows what he knew and when he knew it.

You are supposed to be innocent until proven guilty.

Comment by gc 01.03.14 @ 1:37 pm

Paterno wasn’t accused of any “wrong doing.” Mrs. Sandusky wasn’t accused of any “wrong doing.” The coach who saw it going on and didn’t do anything wasn’t accused of any “wrong doing.” They all very innocently watched as children got raped. I choose to take a less understanding position when it comes to raping little boys. I feel that those in Paterno’s circle are guilty of the most vile of behaviors and feel no remorse for any of them. You however are welcome to offer mercy to whoever you see fit. You might think Bradley is a fine man, I question his associations and stand by my disdain. Innocents was buttfxxxx by his associates and if I am wrong in my conclusion I’ll live with it.

Comment by spiritofsection22 01.03.14 @ 2:03 pm

Hey GC, you only have 1 vote. ped state fired him and nobody wants to hire him. Why ??? Wonder why the squeelers didn’t hire him.

Comment by joel 01.03.14 @ 2:24 pm

The guilt by association is unfortunate for Bradley, who by all accounts is good guy. I think that in that he became the interim coach right after the scandal broke, he became somewhat of an untouchable. I wonder why Larry Johnson didn’t suffer the same fate. They were Penn State’s two ace recruiters.

Comment by Justinian 01.03.14 @ 2:49 pm

My one thought is that in that Bradley was the Penn State interim coach, that keeping in staff would not have been fair to an incoming coach. New coaches don’t want or need the previous coach around.

Comment by Justinian 01.03.14 @ 2:53 pm

GC, that was a completely different level of athlete on the Alabama roster.

Comment by Justinian 01.03.14 @ 2:56 pm

Spirit, Sandusky is in jail accused and convicted. Paterno was accused in the Freeh report, but he died and can’t be convicted. Two other guys are accused and on trial. What are you talking about?

Again, I don’t disagree with your opinion at all, in fact I think Corbett should be investigated for how long it took to bring charges.

Joel it is pretty obvious that PSU had to go in a new direction, that is why they didn’t hire him.

If you guys know something I don’t know regarding his guilt, let’s hear it.

And Spirit, who do you take a less understanding position than? The coach who saw it going on reported it and has testified about it.

I offer no mercy to anyone. You only need mercy if you are guilty of something. I ask again, what is Bradley guilty of?

Comment by gc 01.03.14 @ 3:10 pm

He is guilty of association with people who looked the other way while little boys got raped. How about the coach who saw Sandusky and went home and told Paterno the next day. I’m sure Mrs. Sandusky never suspected anything while hubby raped all those little boys downstairs. The whole body of people who new and suspected who looked the other way might not be at odds with the law , but they are scum sucking low life and I detest them and any who choose to stand in their defense.

Comment by spiritofsection22 01.03.14 @ 3:18 pm

Right he is guilty of association. Unlike Franco, I don’t remember Bradley defending anyone.

Comment by gc 01.03.14 @ 3:21 pm

I hear all kinds of pity for poor Penn State , it’s not the kids that should have to suffer for what one man did. It was a lot more than what one man did. Lots of people new and looked the other way. There reasons ranged from wanting to protect the image of the school to didn’t want to get involved, and lots of excuses in between. People who can stand by and not act while little boys get raped fall below what I think is the minimum threshold of human decency. Those who associate with those types also fall outside of what I am willing to tolerate. I realize that I risk alienating some who did nothing wrong but feel it is a small price to pay to distance myself from such ilk. I feel the sanctions and penalties fall way short of just punishment. Why for instance is Sandusky still alive?

Comment by spiritofsection22 01.03.14 @ 3:34 pm

Franco was a great running back who got rich and famous playing football. I admire that he is loyal and played football well. Beyond that what redeeming human quality does he have. The biggest defender of the biggest piece of scum that ever coached a football team. Low life scum and friends. Hey Franco did you know about Sandusky too?

Comment by spiritofsection22 01.03.14 @ 3:41 pm

Spirit, glad you weren’t in charge of the Marshall Plan after WW2. LOL

Comment by gc 01.03.14 @ 8:20 pm

gc and outhers if franklin takes the penn state job
we are toast as far as receuiting goes he is as good at recruiting as they come.
if chryst and franklin want the same kid franklin will crush chryst.
he will put a fence around pa and we will be outside looking in.
dont know why he would go there but if he does it will to bad for us till he leaves.

Comment by Frankcan 01.03.14 @ 9:00 pm

Franklin has options. Money does talk. Texas has the big money, they get first pick.

Chryst needs to win for a couple of years before he can compete with the big dogs. Did win a few this year. Chris James, Grimm, Bookser, need more, love to see Jennings on the other side from Boyd.

Comment by gc 01.03.14 @ 10:44 pm

Texas needs to move fast if al golden goes to penn state strong will go to miami. then franklin will go to louisville.
and the so called best college coaching job will have to settle for sloopy seconds and look like fools. way to go texas.

Comment by Frankcan 01.03.14 @ 10:46 pm

but texas wants strong and the ucla coach franklin is 3rd on there list, and if al golden goes to state strong wants miami more then he does texas and if they dont jump on franklin louisville will.

Comment by Frankcan 01.03.14 @ 10:54 pm

Al Golden a fool if he goes to PSU. Too many issues.

Comment by gc 01.03.14 @ 11:02 pm

gc but he meets with them in the AM and said it would be like going home so it sounds like he is thinking abought it.
and they say miami is strongs dream job.
and louisville pays there coach big bucks, so just saying texas needs to move fast or look like fools
the ucla coach has allready turned texas down.

Comment by Frankcan 01.03.14 @ 11:12 pm

For all those celebrating the coaching miss at Ped State, remember it could affect Pitt as well. Whoever the new head coach is there, I can see them snagging Engram for a similar position at his alma mater. That would be a huge hit to our coaching staff. Makes me sick just thinking about it.

Comment by WWADD? 01.04.14 @ 1:20 am

Coaching mess…not miss

Comment by WWADD? 01.04.14 @ 1:22 am

spirit of perfection. I agree whole heartedly.

Comment by frankarms 01.04.14 @ 2:26 am

@WWADD, Engram is a doing a nice job, but if he left to join ranks with pervert U it wouldn’t be a “huge hit” as you describe. How hard could it be to attract a quality coach with the talent we have at the position. Coaches are only as good as those they coach and they know that. They would be begging for the job to hop on the Boyd express.

Comment by spiritofsection22 01.04.14 @ 9:53 am

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