November 4, 2013

Not Much Time

Filed under: Football — Chas @ 12:55 pm

Left in the season or after every snap on offense.

Four games left in the regular season. Pitt needs to scrounge two more wins to get to bowl eligibility and the promised land of Shreveport.

And while Pitt is trying to find some of that early season offensive magic, it really comes down to not having the time to take the deep shots.

“Me and [Devin] Street, we love to go deep and make plays but we didn’t have enough time to go deep all the time,” [Tyler] Boyd said. “We just had to take what we did short. Once we caught the ball, we just tried to get what we could.”

Pass protection was an issue for the Panthers again. It wasn’t quite as dismal as the back-to-back games against Virginia and Virginia Tech, in which Pitt gave up a combined 15 sacks, but the Yellow Jackets got to Savage five times for losses totaling 32 yards.

“Wasn’t quite as dismal.” Now, there’s progress.

And while Pitt is trying to find ways to get the team going once more, it is doing so with more of an emphasis on the younger players.

• Senior middle linebacker Shane Gordon has been injured and hasn’t started three of the past five games, providing freshman Matt Galambos and sophomore Nicholas Grigsby increased opportunities. Galambos responded with a fumble recovery against Georgia Tech, and Grigsby had six tackles.

• Senior defensive tackle Tyrone Ezell played fewer snaps than sophomore Darryl Render, who displaced him in the starting lineup and recorded seven tackles. Render’s fumble recovery in the third quarter could have been a big play had the offense taken advantage.

“He’s been practicing well the last couple weeks,” Chryst said of Render. “He’s earned the right to get some snaps.”

• Freshman offensive tackle Dorian Johnson struggled against Georgia Tech, but he is an important part of the line’s future with tackle Adam Bisnowaty and centers Artie Rowell and Gabe Roberts. And that’s not counting four freshmen who aren’t playing this year and a 2014 class that includes Mike Grimm (6-foot-6, 328 pounds) of Bethel Park.

Going and sticking with Johnson was significant since Juantez Hollins never got a chance. Hollins may not have been a great OL, but he’s an experienced senior. The kind of guy you would think would be played especially against a good D-line like GT’s. Especially when it was clear how much Johnson was struggling.

The one place where a change hasn’t been made, or an opportunity for a younger player made, is at QB. Not surprising. Tom Savage has taken plenty of beatings on the field this year. Not likely Coach Paul Chryst is going to start beating on his ego by playing Chad Voytik over him.

Here’s a thought that fills me with dread. How does Pitt DC Matt House get his squad to readjust to facing a more conventional offense after two weeks of the triple option?

Congrats to Aaron Donald on being the ACC DL of the week.

Big weekend game for recruits. And by remarkable coincidence, Tony Dorsett will be in town.

Some thoughts:
– Dorian Johnson looks thin to me lol. No, really he does. He looks very thin for an OL. Since his redshirt is burned, I’m glad he got some valuable experience. He played about how I would expect a true freshman to play on the road in his first college start against a pretty talented speed DE. I do wish there would have been some mixed packages to get Hollins in there as well.

– The fake punt. Geez that one had me fired up. If there was ever a time to try a fake punt it was there and we were left clueless. Obviously, that play was a huge swing in the game.

– Where is the TE screen to the middle of the field we saw quite a bit last season? IMO, there were many times where this play (or a draw to Bennett) were wiiiiiiiiiide open.

– AD is unreal!

– Nice adjustments overall on D. The big pass at the end of the game was a backbreaker where we really needed a stop but at least the D was in position to make the play. I haven’t watched the play again but watching it live it seemed like Pitts and Vinopal were in good position but the huge GT receiver just made a nice play. I’m not happy about it but I won’t bash Pitts and Vinopal for it either.

-Hats off to the freshman kicker, Blewwit, for another nice FG.

Comment by JAM05PITT 11.04.13 @ 1:24 pm

We need to develop a plan to replace Steve Pederson.
He is the reason we are here today.
I told my alma mater BU that I will never give another penny after Eric Holder was the commencement speaker.
I am a Pitt season ticket holder/life long fan and I donate money.
I want to continue, but I want a plan to come out of the darkness.
This group of loyal people should be able to come up with some ideas to take this jerk (smug Steve) head on.

Comment by kman 11.04.13 @ 1:36 pm

Johnson is lean and looks more like a D-lineman. He has the frame. I saw Bisno in there for at least one play, what was up with that?

It is very odd that they went with Johnson against their Star pass rusher. Is Hollins that bad, he is a fifth year senior with some experience. To put a green freshman out there on the road is somewhat dumbfounding.

I just don’t get a lot of these coaching decisions.

Good to see Render stepping up, we will certainly need him to be big next year.

Comment by gc 11.04.13 @ 1:43 pm

I thought some of the young LBs played well. They showed some speed and a nose for the ball.

The offensive line is absolutely killing this team.

No more saying it is a missed assignment here or small mistakes there. Something needs to drastically change and the coaches need to admit things suck.

Sorry, Vinopal went for the interception on the long pass play instead of knocking it down and he missed a key tackle that went for a TD. He should not be playing.

Read the latest SI about Oregon and Stanford football. Nike big shot Phil Knight pumped 300 million into the Oregon program to make it a success.

Pitt is seriously lacking talent, specially on the O line. PC better keep landing O linemen and think about firing Hueber if there is no turnaround.

Comment by notrocketscience 11.04.13 @ 1:45 pm

Nobody tells the plaid set at Pitt what to do. The plaid set thinks the world of smiling Steve.

Comment by spiritofsection22 11.04.13 @ 1:46 pm

O-line will improve. I believe there were quite a few posts earlier this year pointing to that. Chryst is really bringing in some big men that we won’t see be truly productive until 2015…

Right now we are going to need a few solid RB’s and DLine in the upcoming classes.

I know this can’t be proven, but I think if we had a strong O’Line we would only have one loss on our record this year so far.

Comment by Benzene 11.04.13 @ 1:56 pm

gc – agreed that it is a nice (and essential) sign that Render is stepping up his play. Durham doesn’t bring much at DE so let’s hope that the playing time Soto is getting this year pays off. Also, I hope Juan Price can get healthy because he showed flashes this season too.

notrocket – I agree that the LBs played pretty well and they have improved throughout the season. Thomas & Grigsby in particular “look” like they belong and can be impact players. Gonzalez has improved. Galambos is filling in pretty well for a true freshman and Bradley shows flashes.

Lots of recruits will be in attendance for the ND game, Pitt needs to overachieve for once.

Comment by JAM05PITT 11.04.13 @ 1:59 pm

as i said before the poor coaching is what is killing us. after we lose 2 more there will be no need to play savage,
if he does not switch to the back up QB for the last 2 games he is a dunce the kid must get playing time for next year.

Comment by FRANKCAN 11.04.13 @ 2:00 pm

Words cannot express how much the OL’s struggles have contributed to the overal failure of the team. If we had the 2009 OL, this team is 7-1 and ranked with ND coming to town.

Comment by Justin 11.04.13 @ 2:01 pm

FWIW from’s ACC Blog. Pay careful attention to the last sentence.

The freak: His team fell to 4-4 after losing its second straight game, but we must recognize Aaron Donald for his ridiculous stat line in Pitt’s loss at Georgia Tech. The defensive tackle had 11 total tackles (all solo), two forced fumbles, one sack and an outstanding six tackles for loss, the most by an FBS player this season. To put that into perspective, the Yellow Jackets ran 63 offensive plays Saturday. As my dear friend Jerry DiPaola notes, that meant nearly 10 percent of its snaps ended in a Donald tackle behind the line of scrimmage.

Comment by Pitt Dad 11.04.13 @ 2:18 pm

Benzene, “If” I had won the lotto I would have been lap danced to death by now too. Unfortunately I haven’t and being strong isn’t enough it helps if they can block and are quick enough to stop the rush. The fact that our line is young and bad doesn’t mean they will be any good in the future, but we can hope.

Comment by spiritofsection22 11.04.13 @ 2:19 pm

@frankcan, I disagree. You always play the best players. Coaches cannot have a double standard. You will lose the team that way. Besides, no guarantee that Voytik is the starting QB next year.

Comment by rayhpgh 11.04.13 @ 2:21 pm

@Justin , See post directed at Benzene.

Comment by spiritofsection22 11.04.13 @ 2:39 pm

“Four games left in the regular season. Pitt needs to scrounge two more wins to get to bowl eligibility and the promised land of Shreveport.”

lol Chas…the promised land of Shreveport.
That would mean the famous Avrocare 100 Bowl.
Damn right, the holidays in Shreveport.

Have to get upittbaseball some of those drive-thru Daiquiris.

Comment by EMel 11.04.13 @ 2:46 pm

From Shreveport’s Wikipedia page:

Shreveport is the commercial and cultural center of the Ark-La-Tex, the area where Arkansas, Louisiana, and Texas meet.

Wow. Must be tough to be the cultural center of NE Texas and SW Arkansas.

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Comment by Pitt Dad 11.04.13 @ 2:50 pm

As long as they have the Avrocare Avrocar there, I’ll be there !!!

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I thought by now we’d all have one and the automobile would have went the way of the horse & buggy.

Comment by EMel 11.04.13 @ 2:51 pm

Actually, some interesting culture did come out of Shreveport. Also from Wikipedia:

By the 1910s, Huddie William Ledbetter—also known as “Lead Belly”, a blues singer and guitarist who eventually achieved worldwide fame—was performing for Shreveport audiences in St. Paul’s Bottoms, the notorious red light district of Shreveport which operated legally from 1903 to 1917. Ledbetter began to develop his own style of music after exposure to a variety of musical influences on Shreveport’s Fannin Street, a row of saloons, brothels, and dance halls in the Bottoms. Bluesmen Jesse Thomas, Dave Alexander, and Kenny Wayne Shepherd and the early jazz and ragtime, Bill Wray (composer) and composer Willian Christopher O’Hare were all from Shreveport.

Shreveport was also home to the Louisiana Hayride radio program, broadcast weekly from the Shreveport Municipal Auditorium. During its heyday from 1948 to 1960, this program spawned the careers of some of the greatest names in American music. The Hayride featured names such as Hank Williams, Sr., and Elvis Presley, who made his broadcasting debut at this venue.

In 1963, headlines across the country reported that Sam Cooke was arrested after his band tried to register at a “whites-only” Holiday Inn in Shreveport.[8] In the months following, Cooke recorded the civil rights era song, “A Change Is Gonna Come.”

Comment by Pitt Dad 11.04.13 @ 2:52 pm

The bowl is actually sponsored by Advocare

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a multilevel marketing company. They have already announced that this is their last season as sponsor. The bowl was started in 1976 as the Independence Bowl to commemorate the Bicentennial.

Comment by Pitt Dad 11.04.13 @ 2:54 pm

Congratulations to Aaron Donald, he is THE MAN, ACC DEFENSIVE PLAYER OF THE WEEK!

Anthony Dorsett absolutely loved Notre Dame in High School. The ONLY reason Majors got his hands on Dorsett was that his family convinced him that playing at Pitt would guarentee that they would have the opportunity to see most of his games in person. That is one of the reasons that he had career days against the Irish. He went from loving them to loving to beat them. Tony still managed to get into the Notre Dame record books, even as a Panther. 303 yards rushing, STILL the most ever laid on the Irish in a single game.

So now I hear that Dorsett is in town for the game. No better time than this for a pregame heart to heart with the team then before taking the field against ND at home and no better alumni to present it than Mr. TD himself.

Beat the Irish!

Comment by Dr. Tom 11.04.13 @ 3:02 pm

Bringing in big O-linemen isn’t the entire answer.

Plenty of overweight kids that play football.

The key is, they have to be fairly big, but with quick feet and can think on their feet.

The Wisconsin blueprint against slower big 10 teams might not work in the ACC. In fact their blueprint might just work in Madison.

For years nobody used the 3-4 defense but the Steelers. And it didn’t seem to work anywhere but Pittsburgh. And maybe after yesterday’s beatdown, they should junk it too.

After all the Steel Curtain was a 4-3 defense !

Comment by EMel 11.04.13 @ 3:02 pm

I know I was joking Pitt Dad.

The Independence Bowl had the best name for a bowl ever.

“In 1990, the contest became one of the earliest college bowl games to use a title sponsor, becoming the Poulan Weed-Eater Independence Bowl.”

The Poulan Weedeater Bowl.

Bet ya didn’t know that ! haha

So Shreveport’s other claim to fame is being partly responsible for all this bowl sponsor name silliness.

Comment by EMel 11.04.13 @ 3:11 pm

@EMel – I know you were but there are others on here who might well have taken you seriously.

I did know about the Weedeater Bowl. If we play there next year Poulan might well want to sponsor again since we seem to be doing a lot of that.

Comment by Pitt Dad 11.04.13 @ 3:16 pm

I remember 303 against the Irish like it was yesterday. Pitt Stadium still had wooden bleachers. It was very cool 30’s and clear and sunny as a fall day could be. I’d call it crisp. Dorsett made monkeys out of the Irish All Americans in the 1st half. The first 3 times he touched the ball were long touchdown runs the shortest of which was about 60 yds. On TD’s third long touchdown run Ross Browner could be seen prone on the turf pounding his fists and feet into the carpet like a baby having a tantrum. In the second half the Irish were happy to hold him to 10 to 15 yarders by forcing him to the sideline. The second half was a let down after all the fireworks of the first half but Dorsett did manage a long gain on a screen pass. This game remains one of my favorite Pitt Stadium memories. My guess is it is one of Tony’s too.

Comment by spiritofsection22 11.04.13 @ 3:25 pm

Comment by Pitt Dad 11.04.13 @ 3:45 pm

The carpet at Pitt Stadium was made for Tony. If you stood on one sideline you couldn’t see the other sideline because the drainage hump was so high. Tony would run out of the I formation and was going downhill as he took the pitch. He ran about 4.3 40 so it wasn’t really fair. He had great vision and could cut without losing speed better than any back I ever saw. Our lineman lined up with about a yard and a half gap between them and they didn’t have to open a hole, all they had to do was create an opening by spreading the defenders because once Tony broke the line nobody could get a hand on him. The Irish finally quit trying and just adjusted to forcing him out of bounds. If they hadn’t he would have gotten 500.

Comment by spiritofsection22 11.04.13 @ 3:50 pm

link is to the game the following year in South Bend when they let the grass grow to 6″ to slow down TD. Didn’t work.

Comment by Pitt Dad 11.04.13 @ 3:53 pm

@Pitt DAD, It worked, they held him to 181. If the grass was set up for cattle grazing he would have gotten another 300.

Comment by spiritofsection22 11.04.13 @ 3:58 pm


Comment by spiritofsection22 11.04.13 @ 3:59 pm

@SoS22 – very true.

Comment by Pitt Dad 11.04.13 @ 4:00 pm

Pitt is blessed with opportunity far above what it deserves based on its lukewarm commitment to athletics and the lame, faulty reasoning that it cannot have both academic and athletic success. Numerous schools in the BCS rankings prove that notion to be fallacious.

Compare Pitt to UH. UH recently achieved Tier 1 status. Young people I know quite well are working just about round the clock – like many students at Pitt – to get decent grades.

UH does not have the history of athletic and academic success Pitt has, nor does it have the good fortune of being in a conference that will pay members $17 million a year.

UH football, unlike Pitt, finds a way to win, now 7-1.

Unlike Pitt and the many obstacles thrown up to obstruct even the possibility of an on campus football stadium, UH, with fewer funds, is building an on campus stadium right now. Unlike Pitt, UH has six or seven more popular, better funded Tier 1 programs to compete with in the state.

Pitt has the opportunity to make a statement Saturday night and to give Pittsburgh fans, who make disparaging comments about Chryst (and Pederson) in a wide range of media, something to be positive about. After all, it is Notre Dame.

UH would die for an opportunity to be on prime time ABC, the national game of the week, against ND.

Pitt can win. We are left to wonder how the Panthers will commit suicide this week. Do the Pitt players realize what an enviable opportunity they have been given?

The ACC couldn’t do more for Pitt football than it has done this season. Based on experience, though, many of us think Pitt will piss away this opportunity.

Comment by TonyinHouston 11.04.13 @ 4:02 pm

Thanks for the link Pitt Dad, always a pleasure to watch the great TD. He made it look easy.

Comment by gc 11.04.13 @ 4:17 pm

I guess some things never change.

Tino made his CFL debut taking over in the 3rd quarter for a struggling Roughrider QB. He was 14 for 18 for 167 yards and the team scored 16 pts to get right into the game …… however (from a newspaper acccount) …

Riders needed a TD drive out of Sunseri to win the game as they started at their 27 with 1:01 left. 10-yard pass to Simon. 11-yard pass to Garrett. 11-yard pass to Bagg. 5-yard pass to Alex Anthony to the Edmonton 45 with 0:22 left. 9-yard pass to Taj Smith to put him over 1000 with 0:13 to go. Odell Willis sacked Sunseri at the Edmonton 43 with 0:07 left. Timeout Riders. It came down to the last play; 2nd-and-17 at the Edmonton 43 to win the game. Check that. Eron Riley caught a pass to get out of bounds at the 25 with 0:01 left. On the last play Sunseri took a sack to the end the game.

Comment by wbb 11.04.13 @ 4:19 pm

@gc, The easiest he ever made it look was that day at Pitt Stadium. It was so amazing. I never saw anything like it before or after. One of the finest defenses ever shredded like confetti on the Pitt Stadium turf.

Comment by spiritofsection22 11.04.13 @ 4:21 pm

Yinz have not been to Shreveport…..once you have had the local favorite, marinated crab claws with some good bread and a cold one you will instantly wipe all memories away of Birmingham!!!

Maybe we can top Notre Dame this year by having 3 players on the field with the same number LOL.

Comment by isnore 11.04.13 @ 4:22 pm

Spirit, I was there, recent graduate, friends got me in to the student section. Tony kept running to us and holding the ball in the air. People hugging, kissing, laughing, crying. My best sporting experience ever by far.

Comment by gc 11.04.13 @ 4:25 pm

isnore, by the way, do we really have to have two 23’s on the team. Announcer keeps saying Pitts with the runback when it’s Boyd. Ridiculous

Comment by gc 11.04.13 @ 4:27 pm

A Sign of Life…


Read it here… link to

Now We’re Talk’n!

Comment by PittofDreams 11.04.13 @ 4:31 pm

@GC Very few could celebrate better than Tony, he got to do it so much he got creative. The best celebration I remember him inventing was the make believe crap game in the end zone. He rolled the ball like he was rolling the dice while the others lined the table making bets. Funny as hell, and probably one of the reasons celebrating became illegal.

Comment by spiritofsection22 11.04.13 @ 4:33 pm

I Hate Notre Dame too!

Comment by PittofDreams 11.04.13 @ 4:33 pm

Nobody I would rather beat, but embarrassing in ’75 was the best.

Comment by gc 11.04.13 @ 4:36 pm

there are 99 numbers … 85 on scholarship, a large handful of walk-ons and I believe 9 retired Nos. … thus the need of duplicate Nos.

Two years ago, we were penalized for two No 5s in the game at the same time … I remember one was E Price, can’t remember who the other one was.

Of course, ND was guilty of same thing on our infamous FG miss in OT last year but wasn’ flagged

Comment by wbb 11.04.13 @ 4:36 pm

I remember sitting in a bar one Saturday after Notre Dame beat Penn State. A drunken Irish fan walks in and hollers we kicked your ass. I hollered back in a tone that shut him up ” we are Pitt fans and thanks because we hate them even more than we hate you.”

Comment by spiritofsection22 11.04.13 @ 4:40 pm

@gc Pitt has a total of 10 duplicate numbers .. if the announcers are getting it wrong it’s their fault or their spotters .. Pitts has dreds that hang out under his helmet so his 23 is easily distinguished from Boyd’s …

Comment by hoopzebra 11.04.13 @ 4:53 pm


Aaron Donald was outstanding last
Saturday. Congrats on being named
Conference D lineman of the Week.

What will we do without him next year?

Comment by JR 11.04.13 @ 4:54 pm

@JR, Probably win 5 or 6

Comment by spiritofsection22 11.04.13 @ 4:55 pm

If you have 90 numbers you don’t have to have two starters with duplicate numbers.

Comment by gc 11.04.13 @ 5:12 pm

I could only catch a few minutes of the press conference.

The softballs were sweet. Leading questions into there are lots of things to build on.

The coach hit the softballs, actually seemed positive of where this going and how it’s coming along.

Saw a lot of good things. Gonna work on some things this week. Gonna take a look at some things. Found a lot of things interesting.

Comment by Dan 11.04.13 @ 5:30 pm

My prediciton, is we actually beat Notre Dame this week.

We then proceed to crap the bed the last three.


Gotta a lot kids coming in we can coach up. Like to coach em’ up. Gonna work on some things. I see a lot of good things. Gotta get to work, gotta improve, improving, I’ve seen some stuff.

Comment by Dan 11.04.13 @ 5:33 pm

Actually only listened to a minute, a more nauseating minute there could not be, other than listening to a Mike Tomlin news conference.

If anyone did listen, did anyone ask him about the fake punt???

Comment by Dan 11.04.13 @ 5:42 pm

@Dan, No need to, It was obvious he missed it.

Comment by spiritofsection22 11.04.13 @ 5:45 pm

Let’s talk about hoops.

Comment by Don Walnut 11.04.13 @ 5:58 pm

Poor coaching is killing us there is not much more to say.

Comment by FRANKCAN 11.04.13 @ 6:04 pm

Pitt is going to BEAT Notre Dame on Saturday. The only question is… “How?”

Admittedly, on paper… the odds are not in Pitt’s favor.

Last week, I said the key to stopping Georgia Tech’s Running Attack was for Pitt to substitute a faster, more athletic player at Middle Backer. My choice was Todd Thomas. It turned out to be Nicholas Grigbsy. But it seemed to do the trick.

Back to facing a more conventional offense this week, I don’t think you’ll see the Middle Backer lining up SEVEN YARDS off the line of scrimmage. What I do think you might see is HOUSE getting really CREATIVE, possibly lining up FOUR “BACKERS” close to the line… one of them a back who can quickly get back into pass coverage when he’s not BLITZIN! Did I say “BLITZIN”? Yep, I did.

While House has been hesitant this year to put his DBs on an island… the key this week for Pitt looks to be putting an IMMENSE amount of PRESSURE on Tommy Rees… ANY and EVERY way possible.

Rees’ strength is READING the Defense and knowing where to go with the football. Give him time… and it’s “GOOD NITE. THANKS for COMIN.”

By the way, on the way to quarterback… the FIVE or SIX Pass Rushers HOUSE sends might think about tackling anyone who looks like a back with the ball.

Not an easy assignment Saturday. But Notre Dame is RIPE for the PICKIN… and Pitt looks ready to pick them some Golden Domers.

Just ask JP Holtz.

Comment by PittofDreams 11.04.13 @ 6:07 pm

@ JR, Aaron Donald was outstanding,
what will we do without him next year? ANSWER: Continue to be frustrated Pitt fans.

Mr. Donald will prove to be a Pitt legend in the years to come. There is always something to be proud about concerning Pitt football. Just have to look harder for those bright points in some years more than others.

Comment by Dr. Tom 11.04.13 @ 6:13 pm

If our inside game Patterson ,Zanna , and Young are able to hold their own I think this could be a pretty good year. The overall schedule is softer than we have seen in a few years and this team could win 25 games or so. We are probably going to lose at North Carolina, Syracuse, and Notre Dame on the road. The tough home games look like Syracuse , Duke and Virginia. If we win one or two of those and beat the softer ACC teams half the time on the road we will be 11 or 12 wins in the ACC to go with 11 to 13 in the soft non/con. Looks like 23 to 27 wins to me.

Comment by spiritofsection22 11.04.13 @ 6:16 pm

Dr Tom

Wish we had more players like AD.

Very tired of same old Pitt.

Comment by JR 11.04.13 @ 6:43 pm

@PittofDreams, don’t have any x’s and o’s for you.

Just a feeling. Match up against them somewhat better than who’ve we been playing?? No??

Watched ND several times this year, haven’t shown me that much.

Just a gut feeling, that’s all.

Comment by Dan 11.04.13 @ 6:51 pm

Actually only listened to a minute, a more nauseating minute there could not be, other than listening to a Mike Tomlin news conference.

If anyone did listen, did anyone ask him about the fake punt???

Comment by Dan 11.04.13 @ 5:42 pm


Coach speak is only bearable if the guy giving it, is a great speaker, has a personality and actually believe it.

Chryst and Tomlin are a fail on all 3 levels.

Comment by EMel 11.04.13 @ 6:55 pm

JR, you’re preaching to the chorus my friend!

Comment by Dr. Tom 11.04.13 @ 6:55 pm

@PittofDreams, just responded to your first sentence or two running by.

Just read your whole comment. Sounds good to me.

Like I said, my comment was just from watching college football for 30 or 40 years, just seems like a game Pitt is going to win.

I’m not that happy about the feeling. Not going to be a sudden cure all. Don’t feel that good about the year any longer.

I’ve said it 10 times if I’ve said it once. Not jumping ship on HCPC, but disappointed in the lack of progress for the year.

Not even wins and losses, I have not seen the team grow. IMHO.

Comment by Dan 11.04.13 @ 6:58 pm

The 1975 Pitt-Notre Dame game was a huge catharsis for us Pitt fans – like what would have been had Wanny’s 2009 team held on to beat Cincy. But let’s remember who made that victory, and the many others which followed, happen: Chancellor Posvar, who was just sick and tired of losing, and Cas Myslinski, the greated AD Pitt ever had. Majors surrounded himself with the best assistants available, and despite Pitt’s financial situation in athletics, was given the funds to pay them.

Until we have a chancellor who is as committed to greatness on the field as Nordenberg has been to squeezing every cent out of UPMC, and a competent AD, we will be old men dissecting sub par football performances on the field.

Comment by TonyinHouston 11.04.13 @ 7:02 pm

I don’t think either could sell an iceball in the Sahara. Unless it was offered at a substantial discount. haha

Comment by EMel 11.04.13 @ 7:03 pm

Don’t get AD (Tony’s son)confused with TD (the original)

Cause we had both of them.

Sat in the endzone(closest to Cardiac Hill) when I was in HS for the 303.

Mark Mangino with Russ Grimm as asst HC and O-Line goach. We could get them both and really become good again !!!

The beef brothers !

Comment by EMel 11.04.13 @ 7:10 pm

Or vica versa.


Comment by EMel 11.04.13 @ 7:14 pm

@Tonyinhouston, “we will be old men” some of us already are. Lol

Comment by spiritofsection22 11.04.13 @ 7:14 pm

Say what you will about Wanny.

But no one can ever say he wasn’t totally INVESTED in Pitt winning. And had a vision of making us great again.

Only person in Pitt football in the last 30 years besides Johnny that did.

Comment by EMel 11.04.13 @ 7:20 pm

So true EMel.

Comment by TX Panther 11.04.13 @ 8:03 pm

I don’t know if HCPC will get his [poop] together fast enough to survive x more years at Pitt or not.

But sure as God made green apples, we don’t want Mark Mangino, not even as a volunteer assistant, let alone as head coach.

Read about what he did at Kansas that got him (justifiably) canned, he’s lucky he wasn’t arrested for assault (no joke). He make what Mike Leach was accused of at TxTech seem like a Sunday School picnic in comparison.

If we’re looking at essentially tainted goods, I’d FAR rather have Tom Bradley. Who, as far as I know, didn’t do anything wrong, yet everybody says has zero shot. Thus I gotta think Mangino has less than zero.

Comment by Imma Man! Im 40! 11.04.13 @ 8:18 pm

ND is an early 5 point favorite. I expect that spread to increase to 7. I do think the Domers will cover.

Comment by TX Panther 11.04.13 @ 8:47 pm

I have really come to like Tom Bradly also. He has a wealth of knowlege and would be a help to Pitt Football in any capacity. No one will hire him as a coach and you can hear in his voice how that bothers him.

I rank the Pitt/ND clash of 75 as maybe the second best football experience ever as a Pitt Fan. First was beating PSU in 76.

I remember the game like it was yesterday and TD running all over the field. We were in Section 23 and I remember a rabid Pitt Fan and former player under Dave Hart holding up a ND Pennant and setting it on fire at the end of the game. We were all in tears of joy and as trashed as we could be.

While hatred of the ever coddled Irish grows daily, one of the worst moments in Pitt Football history was Ara asking the Pitt coaches at halftime at ND if it would be OK to let the clock keep running in the second half. How demeaning

And for this week’s example (as if last year’s phantom interference call wasn’t enough)Sports Illustrated gives a lead 4 page article on the EX ND QB Golson who was thrown out of school for disciplinary actions. Amazing…no other school could have that happen.

As always, I will be there to watch the carnage.
We Cannot beat ND, please don’t get your hopes up. They will dominate us on both lines of scrimmage. The only thing that could overcome that disadvantae would be Unitas like QB Play from Savage. Not likely

Comment by Dan 72 11.04.13 @ 8:55 pm

I guess if Bradley swears on the Holy Bible that he knew nothing, he could replace House and be the lead recruiter for the Northeast. However, Still don’t know what will come out in the trial for Curley and Spanier next Spring. That’s the big unknown so he won’t be touched until after.

Comment by TX Panther 11.04.13 @ 9:04 pm

if we would beat ND it would make my day no it would make my year i think i would party all night
but i have no faith any more ND bye 14 i must be real kids will play hard but poor coaching will let us down.

Comment by FRANKCAN 11.04.13 @ 9:55 pm

No one cared about pitt as much as dave wannstedt. It just turns my stomach when i think about how his blue and gold heart was ripped out by the bastards that let him go. Do u think russ grimm or any part of the pitt alum that could be the nxt coach want to work for them. I doubt it. I realize he failed in big games but i thought he had us in the rite direction. Hindsight is 20 20 but since they left him go this program has regressed. If an upgrade was hired i would have supported it but haywood to graham wow shame on this athletic department!!!! With each loss i seath in anger. Im 30 years in my lifetime dave wannstedt wad the winnest coach in a 3 yr sttech we had.

Comment by zach 11.04.13 @ 9:57 pm

Nordy wanted discipline and a team that didn’t make the police blotter even though Pitt players transgressions were no worse than any other school. Our AD with Nordy’s support fired proud Dave in the worst way and didn’t even have his replacement ready but given time goes on to botch the next three hirings. That’s how much those bozos care and know about football. That’s why Pitt football stinks worse than the Mon after a sewage discharge.

Comment by TX Panther 11.04.13 @ 10:09 pm

I remember the first time I saw TD. My parents lived in my hometown Johnstown and Pitt practiced at UPJ. I went up to practice on Saturday. UPJ sits on top of a mountain. The team was going through light workouts and sprints. There must have been over 100 players there. I looked around to see TD. He looked small compared to the rest.

Comment by Frank MD 11.04.13 @ 10:12 pm

It is a crying shame so sad. Lets face till we get a new ad and chanclor that care about fielding a good athletic program we r doomed. Ill always be a pitt man but out future looke so bright 3 short years ago. Good luck hope we stick it to nd ill be there. Sadly even if we win dont c it as a win to get this program on track. That will take money and a real commitment to change.

Comment by zach 11.04.13 @ 10:18 pm

I have been saying Tom Bradley for years! He would have been a great defensive coordinator and then back up plan just in case. He recruits his butt off and maybe we could get some playmakers at the lb spot! Stevie just turns everything he touches into a pile of crap! He still is bad mouthed to this day on Nebraska boards, he’s a punch line!

Comment by Sweet Caroline 11.04.13 @ 10:51 pm

I’m with Dan – Pitt not only covers this week, but wins outright. There I said it. I also agree it will mean little as they will proceed to drop the last three games for a 5-7 finish.

Why does Pitt win? In recent years, ND has been a good matchup for Pitt. Every game is close. The last time we had ND at home under the lights we won. Pitt will play with emotion for once, thinking about last year’s loss.

Oh, and most importantly, Pitt wins by feeding off my intense dislike for all things Notre Dame and Brian Kelly; a dislike that exceeds even that of young Mr. Holtz, who I assume is no relation to Dr. Lou. Yes, I plan to will Pitt to victory from Section 532. Wish me luck…..

Comment by Iron Duke 11.04.13 @ 10:52 pm

Isnore and Emel, from SW PA went to Pitt and lived in Shreveport for 8 years and 2 in Fort Worth. For a bowl experience its a great spot and nice stadium. I saw Saban take his boys there a few years back and saw OK State there etc. the town loves the game and it is supported. Food in LA and Isnore, you have to be talking about Earnests for crab claws. If we get there I will drive over and throw a big tailgate. All are welcome and we will be merry. Emel, we can get the drive through or I can get the Daqueri man to set up for a few hours at the tailgate.

Comment by Upittbaseball 11.04.13 @ 10:56 pm

As far as advocare they are a national supplement company. Work out stuff, etc. yes they have sales folks, etc but the stuff is pretty good and has some legit sponsors.

Comment by Upittbaseball 11.04.13 @ 10:57 pm

Sing to the tune of “You’re So Bad,” by Tom Petty.

The Panthers were a wreck, destroyed by GA Tech,
So bad I can’t give my tickets away.

We’ve lost to the Navy, a win against Youngstown State, maybe?
I remember Furman in Double OT.

Help me Paul Chyrst, I need you to save us, but…

You’re so bad, only Alma Mater I’ve ever had,
another season gone bad, we’re so bad…I wish we joined the MAC East, I’d drink things that didn’t have yeast.

I miss Walt Harris and Larry Fitzgerald,
I remember once we defeated Texas A&M.

But Old Dominion threw fire like Satan’s minions,
how the hell did we stop UVA?

I pine for the old days, Paul Rhodes’ D and a dino, it looked cooler than what we wear now.

Tyler Palko give us your father, it’s true he couldn’t do any worse.

We’re so bad, this is the worst season I think we’ve ever had, I miss Fraud Graham, Penny was hot, Paul you’re so bad….for me.

Comment by AJ 11.05.13 @ 12:47 am

lol we really are headed to ‘Rock bottom’

Pining for the dinocat ???? Please drink some more
whiskey and pass out please AJ. :-)

p.s. the lyrics weren’t bad till you hit that line. And you would have never made it thru the mid-90’s if you think this year is bad.

Comment by EMel 11.05.13 @ 1:10 am

Aaron Donald for Heisman

Comment by gc 11.05.13 @ 5:40 am

A few thoughts:

I wrote on here during the 2013 spring practices that I stood next to Dorian Johnson (he in civilian clothes and visiting a practice) and was surprised at how thin he was. He is not a big guy at all and certainly not compared to the other OL.

Re: Tom Bradley. Forget about PITT ever hiring him and he is a good indication of why. Some fans assume that part of why PITT won’t hire Bradley is because of his being an ex-PSU coach and that is our rival. Bobby Engram puts that theory to rest.

The salient fact here is that it isn’t only PITT who won’t touch Bradley. Every other school in existence won’t hire him either. You think that if some MAC school who needed a DC offered a job to Bradley he wouldn’t jump on it? Of course he would but they still don’t offer him anything.

What some fans don’t realize is that there are national conventions for ADs and football coaches where all this crap is discussed without reporters around and that is where the details of all thing college football are discussed. Bradley is nuclear and every school that plays college football, no matter the division, knows it.

Hiring and Firing: We have talked about this subject to death but all anyone has to know about the PITT football program is this: PITT fires championship HCs who are leading winning programs if PITT isn’t 100% satisfied with what is going on with the program behind the scenes and off the field. That is what PITT does.

That is a fact and is what any PITT fan has to understand when discussing PITT football and why we don’t sustain winning seasons. Anyone who knows me also knows that I don’t necessarily disagree with the above approach, but there is is.

This even goes back to the great Jock Sutherland in the way past, Jackie Sherrill, Mike Gottfried (after a 7-3 record) and continues on through Harris and Wannstedt in recent history. The PITT administration just does not put the same emphasis on winning football games as the PITT fans do and the won-loss record isn’t the only factor in the firing decisions and it isn’t even the highest priority.

So this isn’t just Steve Pederson or Nordenberg or even Posvar, Jeff long or Bowman, etc… It is what PITT has always thought and felt about the importance of PITT football in the big scheme of things at the University. Even our very best modern day football was somewhat of a flash in the pan and then we didn’t stand in the way of Majors going to Tennessee at all.

“Majors 2″? Well, we hired a lush HC who was so out of favor he was forced out of a job at his alma mater even after four straight winning seasons. We went the cheap and easy route then; the safe choice as it were, and we still do that now.

Comment by Reed 11.05.13 @ 6:22 am

“Chryst Revival”… 8:00 PM Saturday Heinz Field.


*Beer and Hot Sandwiches will be served at Halftime at all Club Level Sections.

Comment by PittofDreams 11.05.13 @ 6:27 am


As usual, some good and interesting perspective.

To be honest, I was totally shocked to actually see Dorian Johnson lined up with the other Linemen. Not only did he look thin, he absolutely looked out of place at Tackle. His build is much better suited for Guard or better yet Center.

And this is the guy with all the “STARS” who people have been screaming for to start? WOW.

And regarding Pitt Coaches and the downturn in the program… one guy who keeps getting overlooked is Foge Fazio. Another “GREAT” Defensive Coach who was a HORRIBLE Head Coach.

When he took over, Fazio promptly went about wasting away everything that was the Pitt Dynasty of the Early 80s that was handed to him on a platter by Sherrill.

Comment by PittofDreams 11.05.13 @ 6:58 am

When you say Pitt, who is Pitt? Some secret Druid society that pulls the strings? It doesn’t have to always be this way. The BOT can be replaced. The Chancellor can be independent minded and finally devote some attention to football. The AD can be replaced with someone competent. What athletic booster doesn’t want championships. So who are these powerful people exerting influence on the state of Pitt football. Are they the evil Mellon, Hillman or Heinz families? Name names. Sounds like a conspiracy theory to me. Things can change with the right leader and a supportive BOT. You sound resigned to accept some fate like its Pitt’s destiny to suck.

Comment by TX Panther 11.05.13 @ 7:03 am

One more comment on Fazio…

It is almost sacriligious to criticize such a Good Pitt Guy who contributed so much over the years as a player and Assistant Coach.

However, you talk about someone who was in “over his head” as Head Coach?

One of Fazio’s flaws, in fact, maybe his BIGGEST FLAW… was that he really wanted to be liked by his players.

On the other hand, Sherrill was only concerned that players performed well enough to WIN.

Comment by PittofDreams 11.05.13 @ 7:09 am

@ Dan72, I fully realize that your comment is just you being practical about this Pitt team, I hear you, I’ve been watching the games too.

But, you don’t know, I don’t know, nobody knows. That’s why they play the games.

Comment by Dr. Tom 11.05.13 @ 7:40 am

Reed, I completely agree with your email.

There are 2 times in my memory when Pitt prostituted itself:

1. It paid off handsomely — Majors brought 85 recruits (causing a rules change) in ’73, and in large part due to the fact that Western PA was an oasis of high school FB talent, it resulted in a national championship and several more Top 10s

2. It was a disaster — in Jan 2011, after a horrific hire, the AD was forced to make an expedited hire and lobbied the chancellor to pay way above his budget, and you all know what happened. This program hasn’t been the same since.

Comment by wbb 11.05.13 @ 7:44 am


Tired of talking about the 70s, 80s, etc. Wish we knew
precisely the reasons why DW was fired? Nevertheless
PC is our guy and despite the boring HO-hum uninspired press
conferences my guess is he gets four years to demonstrate
progress. I believe he is a sincere guy who never points a finger at his players for mistakes. He deserves respect for
being a stand up guy. Like all leaders he is responsible and his fate will be determined by his ability to hire talented coaches and recruit talented players.

Comment by JR 11.05.13 @ 7:51 am

Part 2 …. maybe a lesson is to be learned.

What I’m going to say will anger many here especially the owner of the blog, but on the other hand, it is no second guess on my part.

When Wanny was fired, I wrote in this very blog about the problem with stability with this program. You can call Wanny a doofus all you want … but he recruited well, had connections, was competitive, and more importantly, was loyal and had a better recent (3 yr) record than the guy they ended up paying twice as much for.

Wanny had a program .. something we haven’t had for a long, long time. Walt built one but as soon as he got there, it began to crumble.

This is why we need to find a guy who is willing to stay and produce a consistently good FB team even it cannot compete with the big boys. PC may be this guy … he needs at least until next season to see improvement.

We need a Don Nehlen, not a Rich Rodriquez

Comment by wbb 11.05.13 @ 7:53 am


When you say “horrific” hire… do you mean like in Freddy Krueger?

Comment by PittofDreams 11.05.13 @ 7:55 am

I’m afraid Chryst is another Foge. I agree that Foge was a nice guy but not head coach caliber. His sister, pretty sure some direct relative, used to live in my neighborhood, a house behind my childhood home. Saw him as a teen after his coaching stint was over on several occasions mainly during the summers and had the chance to talk with him. He was a true Pitt guy and sold me on the school.

We need someone like that as our AD. Wanny also needs a role and some other prominent Pitt greats who have been alienated. We need a uniter. We need a great fundraiser. We need someone who doesn’t kow tow to old money academics living in the 50’s.

We need to redefine Pitt.

Comment by TX Panther 11.05.13 @ 8:09 am

PittofDreams, yes .. a grown man with the responsibility of a head coach physically attacking his mistress, the mother of his son … pretty Kruegerish

Comment by wbb 11.05.13 @ 8:13 am


If you remember, the thing was Haywood actually referred to “Freddy Krueger” during his first news conference when tried to describe the kind of attitude he expected from players when it came to playing defense.

Remarkable then, more so now.

Comment by PittofDreams 11.05.13 @ 8:26 am

The Alabama football brand literally makes hundreds of millions each year through donations, sponsorships, gate receipts, merchandise, other branding efforts, and the SEC TV and bowl affiliations. I’m not saying Pitt can do the same but just pointing out that football is a business and needs to be treated as such. What department at Pitt comes even close to those figures? UPMC?

If Pitt is to compete in the ACC, we need a strong football program to pave the way. Did you see that both our men and women’s soccer teams were winless this year in conference play. It will be the same story for other sports like baseball, track and women’s basketball although Suzie will eventually turn things around. We are truly an embarrassment in athletics. And don’t tout academics too much since we are in the lower half of this new conference.

Comment by TX Panther 11.05.13 @ 8:27 am

Our shiny new head coach isn’t Foge Fazio, Foge was a Pitt guy.

Rather, HCPC is Paul Hackett, forever the poster child for “Peter Principal” promotion one level above his God-given skill set. Foge had that same promotion, but at least he bled blue & gold.

I still hold out (fleeting) hope that HCPC is the answer. But I think he’s not, and I predict in 2 years he’ll end up as an OC for some NFL team where he doesn’t have to recruit, and he’ll thrive….

Comment by Imma Man! Im 40! 11.05.13 @ 8:30 am

Reed, I agree that Tom Bradley is toxic, at least for now. I just wonder WHY he’s toxic.

Other PSU coaches who where there (and presumably knew something terrible was going on, even if they presumably didn’t know the specifics…) got jobs after leaving Nits Nation. Why not Tom Bradley?

I mean, if Bobby Petrino (guilty as sin) can get a gig, why not Bradley? I don’t get it, unless there’s suspicions he aided Sandusky. And I haven’t heard a single syllable about that in any of the horrible allegations surrounding that sickening saga…. We’dda head something by now if so.

Comment by Imma Man! Im 40! 11.05.13 @ 8:37 am

POD, I completely forgot about that .. now your email above becomes pretty amusing

Comment by wbb 11.05.13 @ 8:39 am


The other problem with FOGE was his disorganization. Chryst doesn’t have that problem.

However, I am a little concerned that, like Foge… Chryst might be a little too nice of a guy. However, the COLD SHOULDER he gave Shell and a couple of others shown the door might suggest otherwise.

The other concern I have with Chryst is that he might not “HATE TO LOSE” as much as you need with a Head Coach.

Chryst is a BIG PICTURE Guy who has a life away from Football. That could be the problem.

Still, it’s my opinion that people should be patient and buckle up for the rough ride until Chryst gets a chance to show what’s possible once he has a Quarterback he recruited running his Offense.

So far, he’s had to endure a couple of Quarterbacks who just can’t get the job done when it comes to pulling out BIG WINS.

The kid in Florida that Chryst has coming next year… looks like he MIGHT be that kind of WINNER.

Comment by PittofDreams 11.05.13 @ 8:42 am

A few years back I worked (in fact, shared an office) with a guy who got fired for sexual harassment, about 10 women complained. I never saw a thing.

The Tom Bradley equivalent would be that I would be the one considered toxic, couldn’t get a job in my field, for the crimes that my office mate committed. Seems patently unfair and illogical to me.

Comment by Imma Man! Im 40! 11.05.13 @ 8:45 am

speaking about Sandusky … did you see the latest?

Now the lawyers for the EX president, security chief and AD are attacking the credibility of McQueary … in other words, blaming the messenger. They are really reaching IMO instead of manning up and doing something they realize they shoued have doen 15 years ago … take responsibility.

One thing they must consider …. what possible motive would McQueary have for lying? I can’t think of anything

Comment by wbb 11.05.13 @ 8:47 am

As poorly as Pitt played against GA Tech they looked better than the over-paid and under-achieving Steelers. Maybe the Steelers’ performance is infectious and Pitt needs to have their facilities away from the NFL.

Comment by MariettaMike 11.05.13 @ 9:07 am

Johnson is better suited to play tackle – due to his size / length – and athleticism / feet

primary reasons he was recruited to play tackle – and is playing tackle as a true freshman

Johnson did not struggle containing Tech pass rush due to his lack of weight

Comment by anonyz 11.05.13 @ 9:48 am

I’d rather read a million posts about that stupid plan to build a stadium in Panther Hollow (which is a stupid/impossible idea) than read another post about Tom Bradley. He was near the top of the totem pole when the Sandusky stuff was going on. There is no way he was completely clueless. Not saying he is guilty of anything but why would you even go near him. Say there is a 1% chance something comes out at trial, why would you ever take that risk to be associated with such scum? Besides Tom Bradley is pretty overrated. PSU’s D hadn’t been that good AND recruiting in the northeast isn’t that big of a deal. I’d rather have a DC who can recruit in the south.

Speaking of DC recruiting, House so far has gotten 3 recruits, a 2 star and 3 stars. The guys he is targeting are a 3 star, a 2 star and a 0 star. So if he gets all his guys he will have a great average recruit of 2.2.

PittofDreams, Chryst offenses have never been dependent on the QB. They would run the ball a bunch, which Chryst wasn’t even responsible for.

Comment by Wardapalooza 11.05.13 @ 9:55 am

Can anyone tell me, do we have a recruiter concentrating in Florida, Georgia and South Carolina yet??

Are we even interested in having some of those recruits.

Do I expect us to steal recruits from FSU, Miami, the Gators, Georgia, GTU, Clemson or USC???

Of course not. But guess what, the left overs of those schools show up every week as top players all over the country. Yes, even in cold weather universities, and other universities with all kinds of built in excuses too.

I digress. Do we have anyone even trying???

How about even in Viginia and North Carolina??

Not hotbeds, but strong talent.

Seems like our base is W.Pa, E.Oh, and W.NY..

Not a criticism, just a fact. If that’s what we’re relying on and moving forward with, we will be 6-6 (plus or minus one) for the end of time.

Comment by Dan 11.05.13 @ 9:56 am

HCPC is looking at the “Big Picture” and said as much in a recent interview. He is attempting to build a program from the ground up in the right way and for now, is not too concerned about the win-loss record in so doing.

Now in another year or two, that attitude about the record has to change because ultimately it is all about the win-loss record, isn’t it? But for now, Chryst is getting a pass on that by the Pitt administration.

The key for Chryst will be his ability to recruit, however. I’m not so sure that is a forte of his though. If no, he has to hire the guys who can recruit and close the deal on a lot of high level recruits or all other efforts to build a program go for not.

Chryst’s seat doesn’t get hot until the 2015 season and if he has not produced the program that he is striving for by 2016 I think that he will be gone.

Comment by Dr. Tom 11.05.13 @ 10:04 am

If blogs had existed when Chuck Noll took over as the new Steelers coach, what would we find in the comments back then? Probably many of the same things people are saying on here about our coach.

I want us to win today as much as anyone else—but, unfortunately, we are going to have to be patient for awhile longer.

However, it is going to feel so much better after we beat the Irish on Saturday. H2P

Comment by pmdH2P 11.05.13 @ 10:16 am

Good comments by all this morning. Time will tell on Chryst, but no doubt he has to swim upstream for a while. Many of us have lost or are losing patience, which is probably unfair. He is compared to the best of the best in turn a rounds, but the situations are not comparable.

No one had to follow the Sports Illustrated article, then Kreuger, then Fraud, the cupboard being bare, and the negative impact on current recruiting. Face it, we have been a laughingstock to local high schools and unknown to others.

An additional concern is the low budget for assistants and recruiting. Make no mistake, recruiting is the lifeblood of any program.

Next add the morgue that is Heinz Field on game day compared to the winning programs.

That is why it is far to early to condemn Chryst’s performance.

Under normal circumstances it takes time to build a program. Our’s are far from normal.

We need to lobby administration to give him the resources and support he needs. Not another flashy, dumb marketing plan, but money to upgrade assistants and bigger recruiting budgets.

It is fair to criticize poor decisions, but we have to hope he learns from them and becomes the winning coach we want.

Bradley may be a great guy and a great recruiter, but Sandusky was his boss and McQueary was his roommate. He had to know something, unless he was blind, deaf and dumb. Maybe unfair, but when you consider, it is easier to recruit for Penn State, and he has been coaching vastly superior players. You don’t know whether he would be Jackie Sherrill or Foge Fazio as a head coach. Anyway, it is not worth the risk.

More Aaron Donald’s would make Chryst on hell of a coach. As poor a coach as he is suspected of being, he hasn’t been able to stunt Donald’s greatness. LAMOJ

Time will tell if he can recruit them.

Comment by gc 11.05.13 @ 10:26 am


To Webb

Agree with your point of view on DW. Guys loyal to Pitt
and willing to deal with all of the inherent obstacles are few and far between. Wish I knew why DW was fired.

Comment by JR 11.05.13 @ 11:12 am

DW was fired because the grass is always greener, the Cinci loss, and the SI article.

That, and Steve is a schmuck, ask Nebraska

Comment by gc 11.05.13 @ 11:26 am

Dr. Tom, if Chryst is not concerned about wins and losses and building the program from the ground up why is Savage still starting?

gc, could you show me any evidence that the budget for assistants and recruiting is low right now? Seriously, there is zero evidence that Chryst is being hampered by the budget. Pitt was cheap in the past but the revenue from ACC is so much more. And if Chryst thinks he doesn’t have the resources but keeps quiet that’s even worse. Chryst let last year’s experienced DC go because he was too loud and not because he couldn’t pay him. Heinz Field is only a morgue right now because Chryst’s coaching loses games.

Comment by Wardapalooza 11.05.13 @ 11:55 am


We actually beat Cincinnati three days before DW was fired. It was the horrible loss to WVU the week before that sealed his fate—plus the reputation our program was getting (warranted or not can be debated) as being out of control. The unbelievable loss to Cincy happened the year before.

Beat the Irish and make Brian Kelly cry. H2P

Comment by pmdH2P 11.05.13 @ 11:56 am

based on my research (which by no means is as comprehensive as I would like) … DW was fired becasue the AD felt threatened by him. He was not the AD hire, and had serious issues with the AD including staff salaries and the recruiting budget. The AD also noticed how some prominent backers were on DW’s side and he was begiinning to lose the power struggle.

The SI article was his way out .. the chancellor who was grateful for what the AD did in his 1st stint (The Pete, sharing Heinz Field, etc) went along with AD, and thus DW was let go.

This is not uncommon in many areas where a manager is threatened by one who is supposed to be his underling. (Cowher and Donahoe had a similar circumtance for the Steelers in late 90s)

Once again, this is based on what I have been told by some people close to the program … so this may not be the gospel .. but it makes a lot of sense.

Comment by wbb 11.05.13 @ 12:28 pm

Ward, history tells us that the budget is lower than average, Chryst’s salary is lower than average. That is the Pitt way. If you have proof that has changed you show me. Just because they got more money from the ACC doesn’t mean they are spreading it around.

Heinz field has been a morgue forever, Old Dominion was before the losses.

By the way Savage is starting because he is a better QB and they don’t want to get Voytik killed.

I know you and others have made your mind up about Chryst and will blame him for everything to make your case. You probably will be proved right, it is Pitt after all. I know one thing, bringing in a new coach every other year never works.

pmd I was talking about the Cinci loss the year before. If he wins that he doesn’t get fired.

wbb, you explained it well, Steve is still a schmuck, and I bet Wanny doesn’t get boo’d when he makes an appearance at Heinz.

Worse than firing Dave was not having an heir apparent or any kind of plan in the wings.

Comment by gc 11.05.13 @ 12:49 pm

@ Wardapalooza, Good question. I guess Chryst feels that Savage brings more to the table than Voytik for 2013, allowing for better development of the rest of the offense, although if you’re going to be playing for the future, Voytik should have seen the field a lot more than he has up to this point in the season. Savage has no Pitt future of course, after this year.

Heinz Field sure won’t be a morgue this Saturday, unfortunately 30,000 of the seats will be filled with frickin leprechaun lovers.

Comment by Dr. Tom 11.05.13 @ 1:14 pm

Love to put a blood pressure monitor on Bashful during the game.

Does our robot HC’s blood pressure even rise during the game.

Team also reflects this lifelessness. Plays unemotional and mostly listless. Boring as hell to watch, I want fire & brimstone, come hell or high water.

If we don’t win, nobody comes back alive !!!

Comment by EMel 11.05.13 @ 1:20 pm

If we find a way to win 2 of our last 4 games, as I honestly think we will, then it’s two years of bowl elligibility for HC Chryst. Unlike nearly every other new FBS headcoach – especially in an AQ conference – he has never once at any point beeen a headcoach before Pitt.

If his first two years on the job are his worst from a coaching standpoint, it’s hard to argue that even with nominal improvement – just a little each year – that he won’t be a decent-to-good coach.

If his floor for winning is 6-6 and bowl elligbility that’s a fine start, IMHO. Even if you view him only as a stabilizer, if he gets all 5 years of his contract and never has a sub .500 season – something ZERO Pitt headcoaches can claim in 30 years – then we’ll be in significantly better shape when the next guy taks over than we were for Chryst.

Comment by PittHW 11.05.13 @ 1:25 pm

agree wbb

It’s also not uncommon for threatened ppl in positions to undo their perceived enemies.

Including leaking information to news sources to write a ‘hit piece’ on that threat.

Comment by EMel 11.05.13 @ 1:29 pm

^^in positions of power to undo their perceived enemies^^

Comment by EMel 11.05.13 @ 1:30 pm

I saw this headline: “Texas Makes Surprise AD Hire”
Then this one: “Texas Hires Steve Patterson as its New Athletic Director”
I got a thrill in my chest, ‘til I saw Patterson, not Pederson.

Comment by Caw Miller 11.05.13 @ 1:31 pm

Cornhole was so anxious to get rid of Wanny, he didn’t care if he wrecked the Pitt program, lost a Top 25 recruiting class or destroyed relationships with many PITT NFL football alumni, including Bill Fralic.

The anxiousness is proved by the fact, Cornhole had no plan of who he wanted to hire to replace DW.

Also DW being a true blue Panther and being so should have been given the respect he deserved. As well of giving us the best 3 years in Pitt football in 30 years. One season removed from a 10 win season, he’s asked to resign. Incredible since the last 10+ season we had was in 1981.

The fact that Cornhole is still here after the nationwide ridicule Pitt has absorbed due to his incompetence and then being celebrated, makes me burn.

Comment by EMel 11.05.13 @ 1:40 pm

HCPC is looking at the “Big Picture” and said as much in a recent interview. He is attempting to build a program from the ground up in the right way and for now, is not too concerned about the win-loss record in so doing.
Comment by Dr. Tom 11.05.13 @ 10:04 am

If that is true Doc, not too concerned about the win-loss record, should he not then be playing Voytik at QB. Since TS is one and done.

Or is he not to concerned about the win-loss record for next year either. haha

(since he’ll have to break in a brand new qb next year as well)

Comment by EMel 11.05.13 @ 1:58 pm

We all know we are long over due. That one Saturday where all aspects of the game come together and Pitt plays beyond all expectations. I pray it is this Saturday. If that happens I will consider it a very good year. A very good year indeed!

Comment by oklahomeboy 11.05.13 @ 2:16 pm

Can anyone tell me, do we have a recruiter concentrating in Florida, Georgia and South Carolina yet??
Comment by Dan 11.05.13 @ 9:56 am

Guess I’ll answer since no one else did.

The answer is ‘No’.

Bashful & staff are concentrating on recruiting the Upper Peninsula of Michigan.

Comment by EMel 11.05.13 @ 2:26 pm

@EMel Traverse City isn’t in the U.P. it’s in the L.P.

Though, on this subject there are going to 60 recruits at the ND this weekend including several from VA, GA, and FL. So someone is doing something in those states.

Comment by PittHW 11.05.13 @ 2:30 pm

Too bad for the kid, and UNC, but great news for our bowl chances: Bryn Renner out for season link to

Comment by PittHW 11.05.13 @ 2:35 pm

Hopefully Pitt leads most of the game and at the end, so the recruits think the crowd is mostly there to watch Pitt.

Wouldn’t look good to the recruits, for ND to go up by 21, and half the crowd is cheering.

Unless they’re being recruited by ND too!!

Comment by Dan 11.05.13 @ 3:04 pm

ND favored by 5 points. The question is whether this includes the points they get from bad calls by the refs—all of whom graduated from Notre Dame.

This week we show how good we can be for a full 60 minutes. We win by more than 14 points. Tony D sits with Dravon Henry during the game and they high five after each of our TDs. Please.


Comment by pmdH2P 11.05.13 @ 3:07 pm

Savage is still the starter because that’s PC’s guy, he brought him here and he is being loyal to him and probably keeping some promises he made to get him here. Voytik is part of the salvage of Fraud’s class, PC probably never would have recruited him. I would guess that Chapman would have been the front runner for next year, it will be interesting to see who is the starter next year probably 50/50 on Voytik being the starter.

Comment by Steve h 11.05.13 @ 3:31 pm

On the hoops side, we just got a commitment from a 2015 point guard, Damon Wilson, who is from the same school as two other guys who are major targets of everyone—below is from Panther Prey old post.

Cheick Diallo, Our Savior New American School (Centereach, NY)- A top 10 prospect in the 2015 class, the 6’9″ power forward has offers from the likes of UConn, Syracuse, Louisville, and Kansas but just getting a player of his immense talent to even visit is a big step up for the Pitt program.

Kassoum Yakwe, Our Savior New American School (Centereach, NY)- A classmate of Diallo and a top 25 prospect in the 2016 class, the 6’7″ small forward is a fantastic player with offers already from the likes of Pitt, Syracuse, and St. John’s. Like Diallo, just getting players like this on campus is a step in the right direction.


Comment by pmdH2P 11.05.13 @ 3:40 pm

@ Dan-o

Perhaps they should hustle the kids out after they watch the Pitt band & the Golden Girls at halftime.

As we don’t want them to see the mass exodus after Sweet Caroline.

They could use some excuse, well they’re High School kids and we didn’t want them out after 11 pm.

Comment by EMel 11.05.13 @ 3:44 pm

@ pmdH2P

Is this kid a PG or a 2g, the rivals site says,

Chas says 2G, so he must be a 2G.

Regardless 2015 is a long ways off, a lot can happen between now & then with these kids.

Comment by EMel 11.05.13 @ 3:49 pm

The various hosts for those 60 recruits should be specically instructed to point out who’s actually playing for the Panthers come Saturday, as in “Look! He’s a true Freshman, and he’s a Freshman, that linebacker, he’s a redshirt Freshman, and he’s a Freshman,,,,,,,”

The most attractive feature of being a Pitt recruit, early playing time if you’re ready to do so!

Comment by Dr. Tom 11.05.13 @ 3:49 pm


One day Pitt’s luck will turn and when it does
like BB team life will be good for all of us.
Hope I am alive as a loyal fan my time
is running out.

Understand building a progrM from the ground up
Easy for the coach. Painful for us who
have seen rebuilding for 30 years.

Comment by JR 11.05.13 @ 4:00 pm

Kool-Aid scenario on how the ND game will go:

Pitt will wear its blue shirst and gol dpants
PC will wear hist blue Pitt jacket
Great weather and filled house
Pitt breaks open close game in 2nd half with some amazing catch andruns by FRESHMAN Boyd,
and the game is preserved by some great runs by FRESHMAN Conner to milk the clock
Savage is interviewed post-game and doesn’t mutter the F word

Joe D scenario as to how the game will go:

Pitt wears blue on blue, and PC has his sweatshirt on for all of the country to see
It rains and there are man yellow seats
Boyd gets only 3 touches and Connor gets 12 yards on 11 carries, as Pitt loses
Savage is heard on TV yelling the F word as he is being sacked for the 7th time

Comment by wbb 11.05.13 @ 4:06 pm

JR, “good for all of us” Have you looked at the basketball posts lately? You would think we were coming off 30 years of mediocrity and were still struggling to break even on the hoops side. Sometimes I think it is harder having a decent basketball program than a bad football team. Today Pitt landed a stud guard out of NYC and the basketball blog is talking about Fraud Grahams AD. Really who gives a shit about ASU.

Comment by spiritofsection22 11.05.13 @ 4:16 pm

One of my colleagues is Dravon Henry’s cousin (no, really). We talk about recruiting a lot, though he rarely says anything that I haven’t read elsewhere. But today was slow so we actually had some time to talk for a while. His younger brother played D1 football a while ago and he’s got a good feel for the recruiting scene, or so it seems to me. None of this is gospel or anything, it’s all hearsay. But I did find it interesting and I thought you guys might too.

First, he said he’d be shocked if Henry doesn’t come to Pitt. I hope that’s true. Dokish seems to think that as well, so here’s to hoping.

Second, most of the local guys feel like Pitt takes them for granted, that Pitt doesn’t wine-n-dine ’em like other schools do and that its been that way for a long time. Not just with Chryst. I guess even when guys do official visits to Pitt the coaches don’t go out of their way to make the visits special, and for a lot these guys despite being from the area they’ve never been to nice restuarants in the city or really been shown around, very unlike how they’re treated by other schools. And that treatment really stands out in a negative way.

The coaches who recruit them also apparently don’t stay for the whole game when they come and don’t really spend a lot of time in the locker room or hanging around the way out of town coaches do when they visit. He specifically mentioned that Jaleel Fields was offered a scholarship by Pitt but then they took it back when they thought a few guy higher up the chain were committing only to have some players back out and now they subsequently want him back. This has left a bad taste in the mouth of several undecided guys from the WPIAL.

Third, and this goes into pure speculation IMO, but was intersting none the less. I said to him, Pitt should be pitching all these guys with “do wanna be Tyler Boyd playing, getting headlines or Robert Foster?” and he said to me, well Foster is actually going to be transfering to Pitt. Said Foster’s told local guys as much. Doesn’t like it in Alabama, wants to get guaranteed playing time etc.

Take it all as internet speculation, but I did find it interesting.

Comment by PittHW 11.05.13 @ 4:33 pm

of course, Foster told his peeps the night before, he was going to Pitt

Comment by wbb 11.05.13 @ 4:36 pm

With all the coaches going down with heart problems this past weekend, at least we don’t have to worry about that with our coach. He rarely gets excited enough to even breathe hard.
So….there’s a positive! or not

Comment by Dan 72 11.05.13 @ 5:23 pm

lol Dan72

Maybe we can find a sick relative for Foster so if he transfers he doesn’t have to sit out a year.

Out luck though we would have Boyd & Foster at WR with no QB who can get the ball to them.

Comment by EMel 11.05.13 @ 9:07 pm

Chances that Robert Foster is ever seen wearing a Pitt Panther uniform, somewhere between SLIM & NONE! And I sincerely hope that I’m proven to be totally wrong on the matter!

Comment by Dr. Tom 11.06.13 @ 9:00 am

TX Panther – “PITT” is the administrations who have been the guiding hands for the university over the last 100 years. Those entities have never really cared for football as much as the PITT fans have wanted them to. I thought I was pretty clear about that in my post.

You mention replacing the BoT members and replacing Chancellors who don’t value football but the bottom line for this university has always been academic progress, and raising the endowment, and that has happened, especially recently with Nordenberg at the helm.

There are many, many universities in Div 1 football who approach football the same way PITT does. As a matter of fact it is much more the norm than the schools who put great emphasis on the sport.

You seem to think that having a great football program is a given as an overarching goal for universities and that really isn’t the case at all. Most programs want a football program that returns money spent on it, makes a profit if possible and isn’t an embarrassment to the school as a whole. I believe PITT is in that class of schools.

As far as PITT’s missions go having a great football program is obviously pretty far down the list and that has tacit approval from the current and past administrations, alumni and students.

I certainly don’t believe there is any ‘conspiracy’ involved in the state of football at PITT. I think it just is what it is and mainly because PITT football is pretty far down the list of things Western Pennsylvanians are interested in.

Certainly that is true as far as sports go in that the Steelers, Pens and Pirates trump PITT football, as does Penn State football also. There seems to be more attention given to PSU football then PITT’s and it has been that way for a long long time.

So, I don’t think there is any evil doings at work here, quite the opposite. I believe that PITT football has had a level of existence and attention given to it which has been remarkably steady and unsurprising. It just isn’t what some PITT football fans wish it to be.

Comment by Reed 11.07.13 @ 7:11 am

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