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September 25, 2013

What Will Virginia Do With Watford

Filed under: Football,Opponent(s) — Chas @ 1:49 pm

Virginia QB David Watford has more interceptions (6) than touchdowns (3). His total passing yardage is only 57 yards more than what Tom Savage threw in the Duke game. At the same time he hasn’t had to do too much. The BYU affair was a wet, downpour of a mess. Oregon destroyed them and against VMI there was limited point in passing when you are rolling up over 300 yards on the ground.

Still, this passing game from Virginia has been conservative to say the least.

David Watford completed 47 passes in Virginia’s first two games this season, versus Brigham Young and Oregon. None gained more than 20 yards, a conservative approach that left fans, and perhaps players and coaches, far too cranky by September standards.

Which explains Watford’s reaction to his 38-yard touchdown connection to Tim Smith in last week’s 49-0 pasting of VMI.

“A breath of fresh air,” Watford said Monday at Scott Stadium as the Cavaliers continued preparations for their ACC opener Saturday at Pittsburgh.

And guess what people are thinking about for Saturday.

A breath that needs to become at least an occasional breeze, a breath that could become gale-force against the Panthers.

Last season Pitt ranked among the nation’s top 25 in scoring defense, total defense and pass defense. With eight returning starters, including three in the secondary, that group figured to be an asset in 2013.

Not yet.

Under new coordinator Matt House — he succeeded Dave Huxtable, who took the same position at North Carolina State — the Panthers (2-1, 1-0 ACC) are 122nd, next-to-last, in pass efficiency defense. Only Florida International (0-4) is worse.

So if Watford, Smith and other receivers such as Darius Jennings and Dominique Terrell, not to mention tight end Jake McGee, are determined to go vertical with the passing game, now is the time. McGee, for example, leads the 2-1 Cavaliers with 14 receptions, none longer than 11 yards, with a paltry 5.8 average, less than half his 13.4 norm of last season.

“That’s something we really look to do,” Watford said, “that vertical passing game. … Letting the guys go make plays. … I know Tim can make that play. He’s done it numerous times in practice. Just to be able to do it on the field, in a game where it actually counts, that’s the most important thing. We’re definitely looking to do it more. Not just with Tim, but with Darius, Dominique and all of our wide receivers, because they’re all home-run hitters.”

Watford’s assessment of his teammates is predictably kind, but the truth is, none has emerged as a consistent deep target at any point in his career. A first-time starter this season, Watford is another variable in the equation — he needs to become more comfortable with the longer routes at his disposal.

“I can’t lie,” Watford said. “I have struggled with that, just being able to stretch the ball downfield. And it’s not that I lack the confidence, or we don’t have the playmakers. It’s just something you have to work on. People see it on Sundays (in the NFL) or Saturdays (in college games), people just throwing the ball and people catching it.

“But there’s a lot more behind it than that. … There’s a lot of work that goes into it. We’ve definitely been working on it, and that’s something we’ve been really stressing these last couple of weeks.”

I’d be okay if they try to stretch the field more. I’m more concerned about short  and medium passes to the tight ends or running backs that will call on the linebackers to be in coverage. Frankly, the bigger concern has been quarterbacks that move on the ground.

In the last two games, over half the rushing yards were generated by the quarterbacks. Being unable to stop quarterbacks running with the ball has contributed significantly to a rushing defense that is ranked in the lower quarter of 1-A.

Not to worry, in the first three games, Watford has only run the ball for 48 total yards. Even against the overmatched VMI, he only ran for 30 yards.

It’s just that I can’t help but worry that Virginia is going to look to be a little more active with Watford on the ground rather than deep.

On running the read option, a look Virginia showed for the first time in last week’s victory over VMI: “(It) wasn’t the same kind of read (in high school). I was keeping it either way. It was a designed run, so I would just fake it and keep it, and I’d have a pulling guard (to follow). So it was a much easier read. But now, I’ve had to learn how to read the defensive end, just his body language, his eyes, and stuff like that. I feel a lot more comfortable with it now than I did at first. We’ve continually repped it in practice.”

Watford rushed for 791 yards as a senior at Hampton, 379 as a junior. But with 48 yards in three games this season, and 42 in 10 games as a freshman in 2011, Virginia fans have yet to see the speed he displayed in high school, a subject that he discussed recently with teammate Daquan Romero, a Peninsula District rival at Phoebus.

“I just have to trust my speed,” Watford said. “(Romero) was just like, `Just trust your speed, like we were in high school.’ Because in high school I would trust my speed, I would split defenders and make people miss and just run. But now I’m trying to find holes and lanes instead of just running. My coach is telling me the same thing: ‘Just run. You’re fast for a reason, so just run.’ ”

Which means Pitt defensive coaches won’t have too much tape on Watford running the read option. Which, given the work by DC Matt House to date, is hardly inspiring. Speaking of hardly inspiring

One note on the defense: safety Jason Hendricks hinted that some of the defenses struggles could be tied to the transition to new defensive coordinator Matt House‘s scheme, particularly with the linebackers.

“The linebackers, they have different jobs, different fits, the language is a little different, but I think the guys are working hard to get better at it,” he said.

Now let’s take this with some context. There are a lot of factors in the defensive struggles, but this is the first time I recall a player even getting at any significant differences between this year’s scheme and last year’s. Hendricks (echoing Chryst) also said that a lot of the issues can be traced to guys trying to do too much. Basically, they see a teammate they thing is out of position and they go over to try and help, but really all that does is make two guys out of position.

“I think people are just worried about other people,” Hendricks said. “You need to worry about your job and your job only. If you do your job, then the person next to you is going to do their job.”

House has a scheme?

I don’t know. This is just my thoughts (and biases) right now, but that makes me think that House is trying to be too clever by half. Rather than work from what was in place last year under Huxtable, DC House is trying to show how smart a football mind he has and change things — down to the terminology — that just made things more confusing.

As much as the offense benefits from new guys at new spots, the offense clearly has improved in no small part because of the continuity of the coaches and what they wanted to do. Guys who have been practicing and learning the same system going back to last year. Even if they didn’t get on the field.





On the defense who is starting this year that did not start last year?

Comment by oklahomeboy 09.25.13 @ 2:33 pm

Durham DE; Gonzalez OLB; Vinopal S

and both Vinopal and Gonzalez saw PT last year

Comment by wbb 09.25.13 @ 2:48 pm

I say play caperra at mlb move gonzo to safety in place of vibopal. And use price to supply pass rush from olb. Just a thought

Comment by zach 09.25.13 @ 2:57 pm

read this feb 19 2013 red shirt diaries a talk with mat house when we decide to go to a 3-4 look we can we will be multi not just 4-3
not exact words there was moore go look it up.
on feb 18th nor from red shirt he said my positional focus will be the safeties hank will do the CB.
and besides the LB what looks like shit the safeties
read it and weep.

Comment by FRANKCAN 09.25.13 @ 2:59 pm

Watford has wheels

Joe D would state: fast fast fast

( 11.05 100m fast )

Comment by anony 09.25.13 @ 3:03 pm

one more thing house said he would make the D simple
but above it says the D struggles is becuse of the scheme of the D . so we have had a camp and 3 games
and the LB and safeties still dont get it
i think the same as above he is being to cute
he is trying to be to smart he sucks.

Comment by FRANKCAN 09.25.13 @ 3:10 pm

This veteran D played pretty bad at times last year too. You would think by what I read that the new coaches messed up a good thing and that isn’t the case. There are 2 types of experience, good and bad. I maintain this years team arrived with plenty of the latter. They made some great plays on Saturday and also made some of the worst ones I’ve seen for awhile. People might have figured the D would be the strength of the team but expectations don’t mean squat when you don’t tackle and can’t cover. Florida St. looked perfect in the passing attack because we never covered anyone the whole game. The tackling was as bad as I ever saw a Pitt team tackle. That speaks volumes about desire and heart. We had New Mexico in a box and the untold story of that game was our sorry D let them out of it. Then came Duke. How does a team play very well and horrendous within the same game. You can blame the coaches, but at what point do these players need to man up and start to show some desire. It looks to me like they have some ability but lack heart. If we are going to look like woossies on D we might as well do it with some kids who have some heart. There has to be some players on the bench that can do as bad as these guys and not play this far below their ability. If there isn’t a wholesale improvement against Virginia I would let it be known that heart will determine who plays the rest of the season regardless of results. You can call it a coaching problem and perhaps you are right. When kids show both extremes like this group I think the problem is character related and I find it embarassing.

Comment by spiritofsection 22 09.25.13 @ 3:22 pm

Last year Pitt’s defense overall was 16th in NCAA. This year so far they are 105th. This defense is simply horrible and will cost us a few games. I feel bad for Savage who has improved so much as the D has regressed.

Comment by DJS 09.25.13 @ 3:53 pm

DJS, 16th is a joke they sucked last year too, They had some good moments against a feeble schedule and were horrible a lot too. To paint them as good gone bad isn’t true. Pitt hasn’t played “good” defense since the 80″s. I have to admit they haven’t been as bad as what we have seen so far this year for awhile though.

Comment by spiritofsection 22 09.25.13 @ 4:20 pm

Spirit can’t disagree with that….with 8 returning starters, this d should be improving. They continue to make basic mistakes over and over.

Comment by DJS 09.25.13 @ 4:28 pm

i haven’t seen anything from game one to indicate house is capable of making signifigant improvements.

Comment by goalie44 09.25.13 @ 4:33 pm

House has a scheme ?

Who knew !

Comment by EMel 09.25.13 @ 4:38 pm

If i was virginia’s OC I would call read option after read option until we prove we can stop it. If Pitts and Williams can’t plan man against these receivers they can’t play man against anybody.

Comment by Atlanta Panther 09.25.13 @ 4:40 pm

he is trying to be to smart he sucks.

Comment by FRANKCAN 09.25.13 @ 3:10 pm

lmao….Frankie.

But remember Mattie is ALWAYS home by 10 pm.

From Chas’s post UVA’s offense appears pretty pathetic. At least until Saturday.

Comment by EMel 09.25.13 @ 4:41 pm

On a brighter note, it looks like we are in the lead for a tall, lanky three-star receiver who runs a 4.5 forty. Anybody know anything about JaQuan Davidson?

Comment by Atlanta Panther 09.25.13 @ 4:44 pm

Watford says:

“So it was a much easier read. But now, I’ve had to learn how to read the defensive end, just his body language, his eyes, and stuff like that. ”

Oh that’s just great, cause our Defensive Ends are usually on the ground, looking skyward or hopelessly out of position.

Comment by EMel 09.25.13 @ 4:47 pm

Many of these same kids rose to the occasion to play real well at Notre Dame last year. I don’t care how bad the coach is, that wasn’t even close to a good offense the last 2 weeks, and we were an embarrassment defensively both weeks. Desire and heart, for whatever reason it is absent most of the time so far this year. The jock strap is the most important equipment on defense. This group hasn’t shown much need for one so far. I hope they fix that Saturday because I think they can. If these kids decide to strap a set on they can bury Virginia. HTP

Comment by spiritofsection 22 09.25.13 @ 4:56 pm

Not about desire and heart I don’t think with this defense the last two weeks. It’s about scheme and fundamentals. The linebackers look lost and we have to get pressure on the QB. Not sure why so much confusion since House was on staff and the terminology shouldn’t be all that much different. I am very surprised by this since we all thought the D would be their strength. They better pick it up!

Comment by Sweet Caroline 09.25.13 @ 5:10 pm

Pitt should foreclose on House if the D is still missing tackles and out of position after this game. No more excuses.

Comment by TX Panther 09.25.13 @ 5:18 pm

Sweet Caroline, Don’t know how much football you played but when players are reasonably close in size tackling is always about desire. You are right about the fundamentals and there is nothing more fundamental to good D than bringing a set to the game. You can’t scheme a team into playing as bad as we have. I’m not saying the coaching isn’t bad but when you play this bad it seems like a convenient excuse for no guts.

Comment by spiritofsection 22 09.25.13 @ 5:20 pm

I guess in saying in the past I get your theory of no guts but if you watch the game, the kids were playing hard and giving effort. Most of the time they just seemed to be out of position. But I understand what you are saying. And I was more of a baseball and basketball guy! Did play intramurals at good old Pitt stadium though! Hail to Pitt!!

Comment by Sweet Caroline 09.25.13 @ 5:59 pm

Sweet Caroline, Just because I played doesn’t mean I know anything either. I think I get a little upset with the everything is the coaches fault mentality. Bad tackling is usually always a desire problem. We sure have seen a lot of that so far. I think for a long time the attitude among the players in our football program has been that they are special. Good teams need that confidence too. The problem is our teams have thought they were special and weren’t any good. DJS pointed to last years defense being 16th. They were bad enough to lose 7 games against a lot of cupcakes and few decent teams and 1 or 2 good ones. They weren’t in any way special. PC’s biggest challenge in my opinion is to change that culture. I admit these coaches haven’t proven anything and could be doing a poor job. Even so these kids will never do better until they decide to be special on the field Saturday rather than the prima donna crap hanging around Oakland for too long now. Our D for the last 3 weeks brought this rant out of me, sorry for being such a bitch.

Comment by spiritofsection 22 09.25.13 @ 6:28 pm

just heard, tyler boyd has a sprained ankle??

Comment by goalie44 09.25.13 @ 7:21 pm

I don’t buy the “heart” argument either. I see effort and “want to,” but poor technique. For example, too much looking in the backfield by the back seven.

I think these kids are playing hard, but they don’t seem confident of their assignments.

Go Pitt.

Comment by MajorMajors 09.25.13 @ 7:41 pm

Major ,Then how come so many missed tackles?

Comment by spiritofsection 22 09.25.13 @ 7:48 pm

Major, Playing hard, be serious they just gave up 55 pts. to a second rate offense using a backup QB. How much “want to” did you see in any of the 1st 3 games. Occasional “want to” at best. You can’t play that bad off of “technique”. Our “technique” so far is to give the other team way too many points.

Comment by spiritofsection 22 09.25.13 @ 7:57 pm

Heartless wusses who don’t hit, cover, or tackle. Nobody could be confused into being that bad. I ain’t buying it. You can blame the coaches if you want to.

Comment by spiritofsection 22 09.25.13 @ 8:01 pm

Brainless coaches don’t help the cause either.

Comment by TX Panther 09.25.13 @ 8:21 pm

spirit blame the kids give me a brake if you say they are not good enough i might go for that but they would not let the team down on purpose if they were well coached it would show.
you never want to blame the coach my god it could not be the coach why becuse he has 10 years experence well guess what he has all most no experence.

if he had 10 years i might blame the kids but he does not.
no way these kids are messing up on purpose .

Comment by FRANKCAN 09.25.13 @ 8:23 pm

I dont buy that the coaching is the whole problem. Even Donald there best player has missed his fair share of tackles. Although the sttengh of our corners pitts and williams is in press not zone how long does it take for house to realize that

Comment by zach 09.25.13 @ 9:03 pm

DE Devin Cook out for the year bad foot

Comment by FRANKCAN 09.25.13 @ 9:06 pm

linebackers dropping into badly-designed zone coverages that leave plenty of room for the guy to catch the ball then make a move on them is the fault of the DC

you normally only see the kind of space guys have had in the middle when the LBs are blitzing

but house doesn’t blitz so…

time to drop the awful zones and go man-to-man if they beat us vertically a few times then they do better than not being able to stop the opposing offense ever because the middle of the field is wide open for them

Comment by deepelemblues 09.26.13 @ 1:02 am

I would think if you promoted someone from within on your staff to DC that would logically mean your offense or defense would have some continuity.

In this case it’s the defense and there has been NO continuity at all. It’s like PC brought into an entirely new DC with an entirely new scheme and according to the players, even new terminology.

This is totally absurd. It could be justified if PC had brought in some good to very good DC who had some sort of track record, with this type of defense.

The guy he hired after putzing around for over 2 months before just promoting someone from the current staff with less than 10 year’s coaching experience COMBINED, has confused 8 returning starters for no apparent reason. OTHER THAN TO PUT HIS PERSONAL STAMP ON THE DEFENSE.

Sorry that is a pile of crap and PC needs to sit this twerp down, before the season is ruined.

Because the offense will have some games when they turn the ball over, not exactly light it up on offense and there are not many New Mexico’s and Duke’s left on the schedule.

Comment by EMel 09.26.13 @ 2:17 am

It’s kind of shocking that HCPC signed off on these changes to this defensive scheme (if you can even call it that). So far it’s netted an average of 40.25 ppg scored against it in 4 games. Against 1 really good team (FSU), 1 average team (Miss), 1 below average team (Duke) and 1 terrible team(UNM).

Had the House version of this defense been used against Ole Miss in the Bowl game, the Rebels would have scored 50-60 points, perhaps more.

Again if you were bringing in a completely new proven DC, I could see PC signing off on the changes. But not some unproven kid from the current staff who was hired, I guess to provide some continuity. If it wasn’t for continuity, what was the reason he was given the job.

Which only leads you to question the management capabilities of the guy who hired him.

And if the Defense doesn’t get any better, as in sooner rather than later, that now questionable skill of the Head Coach will again be brought to the forefront.

Comment by EMel 09.26.13 @ 2:36 am

Pitt football shouldn’t be some laboratory for testing unproven coordinators.

It’s insulting to those of us who went to this school when they actually took football seriously, you know the football they’re still trying to make us believe they’re striving for.

That is the point of the constant reminders at Heinz Field of all the past 9 National Championships and all the great players of the past, isn’t it.

Trying to convince us, they’re still serious about making PITT football relevant again.

Well relevant programs don’t hire unproven, non-qualified kids like House to be coordinators, to use them as nothing more than a laboratory experiment.

For somebody like him, he should be at a D3 school like Case Western or CMU running his experiments on them, not us.

Oh and I imagine Cornhole had to sign off on this hire as well.

And that certainly figures….doesn’t it.

Comment by EMel 09.26.13 @ 2:53 am

The Virgina QB won’t be able to read Pitt’s DEs eyes because they are to small and will have their helmets buried In a OTs chest. If they wanna stop the read option then switch to a 3-4, it’s not that hard, keep it simple stupid. If Virginia did their homework they will run the read option to the short side of the field cause there is no one there to stop it the LBs are out of position. Duke went 75 yards when a LB was matched on a WR, why? #9 was in the back corner of the endzone on a 10 slant for a TD,why? Why, because the scheme sucks switch to a 3-4 move Gonzalas back to safety and put #9 and Durham to the second team. That would be simple!

Comment by Steve h 09.26.13 @ 5:58 am

Steve Pederson could have said no to House but he did not. Ultimately he is to blame for the hire. Pitt doesn’t take its football seriously. When you have a clown in charge, you get circus results.

Comment by TX Panther 09.26.13 @ 6:13 am

Really good comments above regarding House.

Evidence is mounting that players are having a difficult time adapting to all of the changes he’s implemented since replacing Huxtable.

Both Post Gazette and Trib running with the story angle that House’s schemes are confusing to players, especially the linebackers.

Ridiculous to think it’s the players when after weeks of practice in the Spring, a month of training camp and three games… players still don’t have it down.

No getting around it, it’s either the scheme implemented by the coadh or the inability of the coach to effectively teach to his players. either way, IT’S THE COACH.

Some have said that Chryst might actually be the one behind House’s schemes.

I don’t think so.

Chryst is anything but a micro-manager. He’s the type of guy who if he hires you for a job, he gives you the freedom to do it the way you think best. That being the case, he’s also willing to let you fail, learn from your failure… and figure your own way out of the mess.

This is not to say that Chryst won’t step in if he sees House and the “D” struggling beyond the point of no return.

That point could be coming soon if it’s not already here.

Contrary to Chryst, House is a stubborn guy who seems bent on showing everyone just how smart he is. Remember this is a guy who NEVER PLAYED college football.

Too bad House doesn’t seem to realize that being smart sometimes means relinquishing some of the things you have your mind set on doing in order to achieve results.

Bottom line… House looks to be a coach who is more set on running his idea of a good defense instead of one that the players on this year’s team might be best suited for and comfortable executing.

That’s a real shame… considering the athleticism and experience of the players that House was handed.

Comment by PittofDreams 09.26.13 @ 6:28 am

Agree 100 percent.

Comment by TX Panther 09.26.13 @ 6:34 am

Last year our D, like this year was only arm tackling. Hux tied all their hands behind their back for a week making them use there body to tackle. D played much better after that. GET THE ROPE!

Comment by pittman4ever 09.26.13 @ 7:10 am

^Like

Comment by Atlanta Panther 09.26.13 @ 7:11 am

More juice on the scheme vs. execution argument. Right now I think we need to hope for execution. One more article – here is how Monte Kiffen more or less stopped Tim Tebow’s read option. Though the Gators still one the game, the general consensus is that Monte Kiffen’s defense was well executed and really held the Gator’s offense in check.

link to smartfootball.com

It’s the closing paragraph that gets me though. Here it is:

“And let me conclude by just saying this. I think these schemes were important, but Monte Kiffin coaches a disciplined defense. His defenders tackle well, fly to the ball, read their keys properly, and take good pursuit angles. If you do those things, you will have a good defense, no matter the scheme.”

At this juncture, a scheme change seems unlikely. There is a chance, I hope, that old House of Cards can get them flying to the ball, reading keys and taking good pursuit angles, oh yea and tackling soundly. Hail to Pitt.

Comment by Atlanta Panther 09.26.13 @ 7:25 am

Did any of you coach blamers notice that our defense has played it’s best when things get tight and disappears when we have the lead. Classic case of we are up 3 touchdowns and expect you to roll over and die because are D is on the field mentality. Hot dog nobodies that think they are good. They only play hard when they have to, otherwise they stand around and watch you score. I am not saying these coaches have a clue, but these kids have yet to play to anywhere near their ability level. They think they are good, and they could be, but so far they are just pretending prima donnas who don’t tackle, pressure, intimidate, or cover anybody. Our D is an embarrassing 0 and 3 and getting worse. This was supposed to be our team strength. You can delude yourself into thinking this is only some scheme or design problem but a D that causes 4 turnovers yet gives up an easy 55 points to a weak team has more than scheme problems. They have a gut problem.

Comment by spiritofsection 22 09.26.13 @ 8:50 am

Frankcan, Please don’t misinterpret what I am saying. I never said the kid were trying to fail. I never said the coaches aren’t part of the problem. What I said is that when kids with this much talent play this poorly , you have more than scheme problems you have a heart and desire problem. You can keep adding to their excuse list if you want to, I prefer to call them what they are so far, Gutless pretenders.

Comment by spiritofsection 22 09.26.13 @ 9:15 am

@sos22

Isn’t it also on the DC to motivate his charges ?
(ie. the players)

And if the DC see’s someone ‘dogging it’ shouldn’t that DC replace that person with another player who isn’t ‘dogging it’ ?

Comment by EMel 09.26.13 @ 9:46 am

@Emel, A month ago when they replaced Thomas for dogging it everyone was posting how the coach was to blame. Damned if you do damned if you don’t. When do the kids have to man up to being responsible for the joke that has been our defense? I think this is more than coaching, but everybody seems to agree with you and Frank. I can’t. Please recognize that I am not patting these coaches on the back, but putting it all on them is ass backwards.

Comment by spiritofsection 22 09.26.13 @ 10:11 am

The blame is shared. So if the players aren’t getting it done then bench them. If the coach isn’t getting it done, remove him as well. House needs demolished.

Comment by TX Panther 09.26.13 @ 12:06 pm

I saw no pass rush, that’s “lack of desire” against a team of Dukes quality.

I saw four interceptions, thats LBs and secondary recognising the offensive scheme and flying to the ball, that showing “instinctive play”.

I saw huge gains both in the Duke running and passing game, with our guys not being around the ball when they should have been. That’s a combination of coaching schemes not being effective and players being out of position within those schemes. Combination of Coaching+player issues=shitty results.

I saw poor tackling, that’s poor technique, more a player not finishing the play than coaching, unless the coaches condone such poor technique, which I don’t think that they do.

So the defenses problems right now are a combination of players ability and upside potential, desire, coaching techiques and the players comprehension of that coaching so they can play instinctively without over analysis when they have to play fast.

Very complicated set of circumstances to deal with, with no simple solution, such as “fire the coach”!

Will this defense be able to get it together. Will know more about that in about 2 days.

Comment by Dr. Tom 09.26.13 @ 1:13 pm

@ sos22

I was one of the ppl defending the coaches on the TT week long hiatus. Really glad they worked that out, as the LB situation would be even worse now. TT had 10 tackles against UNM and looked like the only one who knew how to defend the read option.

Without the gift thrown to Gonzo for that INT TD, we most likely lose that game.

As far as ppl agreeing with me or Frank or anyone else. While it’s nice sometimes to be agreed with, this blog is for sharing everyone’s ideas and thoughts (i think). Being agreed with is not a pre or post requisite.

Actually glad we have a lot of differing opinions on here or it would be kind of boring.

Comment by EMel 09.26.13 @ 1:22 pm

@ Emel, If our defense would get as worked up as the guys on this site we might play a little better. Great blather requires diversity. Glad to help out. Thanks..

Comment by spiritofsection 22 09.26.13 @ 2:06 pm

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