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June 26, 2013

Steven Adams in the Lottery

Filed under: Basketball,Draft,NBA — Chas @ 2:39 pm

This is not a strong draft. If you have been following the NBA draft chatter since April, you have been hearing this. Expect to hear plenty more of it in the next 36 hours (leading up to and after the draft). As such, Steven Adams is sitting at the end of the lottery. Most projections have him going anywhere from 7 to 14. 10-12 being the most reasonable zone.

Depending on who you want to read, Adams is either undervalued or overvalued.

Overrated:

If he goes in the lottery … Steven Adams
Considering all of [Alex] Len’s flaws, how can a really poor man’s version of Len sneak into the top 14? Didn’t any scouts watch Pitt play this past season? Adams is raaaaaaaaaw. If he didn’t get stuff off the offensive glass, he barely got touches in the Panthers’ offense. He has poor hands. Even in a draft with this many question marks, the lottery is way, way too high for a long-term project like Adams.

Underrated:

Steven Adams, C, Pittsburgh — Adams is a just a perfect specimen. He can run, jump, catch and can even shoot a little, and though he struggled to break through in his only year at Pitt, some of that was due to the Panthers’ guards not sharing the ball, and the depth up front that Pitt had. Adams needs to develop, but the positive signs are there.

Yeah, that helps.

Here’s the thing. It’s not if Adams is overrated or underrated. Or if he should go that high. He almost certainly will. He’s loaded with potential, and in a draft that has no sure things, you are not wrong late in the lottery to roll the dice on a guy with such a high ceiling. If Adams takes longer to develop or is even a bust, he’s hardly the first or last. Especially in the second half of the lottery.

Just look at the picks in the 7-14 in past drafts. Here. Here. Here (good god, Joe Alexander went #8!!!). Here. Here. You get the idea.

As the anonymous scout report from Seth Davis notes:

Regular readers know all about Finch. He is an amalgam of five NBA scouts whom I talked to in recent weeks to get their insights into the main college prospects in this year’s draft. Since NBA teams don’t like to give away secrets (as if there are any), the scouts spoke with me on the condition that I would grant them anonymity. This also allowed them to tell me what they really think. I’ll warn you now: It isn’t always pretty.

(Incidentally, I must give credit as always to my colleague Alex Wolff for coming up with the pseudonym Finch. Several years ago, he assigned it to an anonymous scout whom he followed for several months for an SI magazine story. Alex, he of the literary bent, chose the name because it was the character Scout’s surname in To Kill A Mockingbird.)

I cherry picked the highlights of what the scouts had to say and gathered them as if they were said by a single person named Finch. Can you feel the draft? Good. Here’s what Finch had to say about this year’s crop. It’s everything you need to know from A (Adams) to Z (Zeller):

Steven Adams, 7-foot center, Pittsburgh: “You see him work out and he does some things athletically at that size that are impressive. He’s a funny kid. Different personality than we’re used to dealing with. He had no clue how to play. Remember, he’s from New Zealand. It’s not like he came from Lithuania, where the culture centers around basketball. He grew up on a surfboard.”

He’s handled everything well to this point. His interviews have been solid. He’s been personable. And for Pitt partisans, he has said nothing but glowing things about Pitt and Coach Jamie Dixon. And Jamie Dixon will join the trend of college coaches being on-hand (and on-camera) at the Draft to “support” their player getting drafted.

I’m looking forward to the Big Kiwi’s big night.





Adams is not 7′

Adams is not 6’11″

Adams IS 6’10.75″

Comment by steve1 06.26.13 @ 3:01 pm

Adams is not 7′

Adams is not 6’11″

Adams IS 6’10.75″

(Just pickin’ nits)

Comment by steve1 06.26.13 @ 3:01 pm

oops, sorry

Comment by steve1 06.26.13 @ 3:02 pm

There has been many players going higher than 12th based solely on potential. Some have been successful, many have not.

Teams needing immediate help will shy away with good reason … but a 7 footer with potential is hard to pass up.

I happened to come across a documentary on ESPNU about Sam Bowie, who was drafted 1 pick before M Jordan .. and nobody at the time thought it was a bad pick. As a sophomore at UK, Bowie averaged 17 and 10, but was injured at the end of the season and subsequently sat out 2 straight seasons. Came back and helped UK to Final 4, only being at 80%. Problem is that he remained injury prone throughout the career …. something that doesn’t seem to apply to Adams.

Nowadays, the big man isn’t valued as highly as they used to be, but an atletic big man may be hard to pass up.

Comment by wbb 06.26.13 @ 3:04 pm

.. excuse me .. a 6’10.75″ is hard to pass up!

Comment by wbb 06.26.13 @ 3:06 pm

(Just pickin’ nits) wbb

Comment by steve1 06.26.13 @ 4:00 pm

he does not play in his bare feet with shoes on
he is 7 foot plus he has a long reach he has the
forth longest arms of any one in the deaft i read that some were. put that with 7 foot in shoes
you have a good thing

Comment by FRANKCAN 06.26.13 @ 4:18 pm

Wait that means I’m not 5’9″ rather I’m 5’11″ because I wear my shoes all day….what crazy rational is this?

Comment by Marco 06.26.13 @ 4:31 pm

Slow day so we’ll be good for at least 10 more comments on Steven’s height.

Meanwhile he says this on Twitter:

Steven Adams ?@RealStevenAdams 23 Jun
I just wanna say a big thank you to all of Pitt. Like or hate me. Still got love for the Zoo! Amazingly Majestic. @OaklandZoo #Hailtopitt

I met him once. Great sense of humor. Good luck in the draft and onward.

Comment by steve1 06.26.13 @ 4:56 pm

marco are you all there he plays bb he weres
shoes when he is on the court he is 7 foot tall
he does not play in bare feet what abought that dont you get.
who gives a fuck how tall he is in his bare feet
that does not madder on the bb court unless you play in your bare feet.

Comment by FRANKCAN 06.26.13 @ 5:44 pm

Frank,
When you played sports did the sports program measure your height with shoes on or off?…does your driver’s license state your height with shoes on or off? So are you all there?

Comment by Marco 06.26.13 @ 5:57 pm

that has nothing to do with how tall is is when he plays BB does it .
if you want to list him at 6 foot .75 on the program
fine.
but when on the BB court he is 7 foot i dont care how he got there magic or shoes he will still measure 7 foot on the court.
and that is were it counts

Comment by FRANKCAN 06.26.13 @ 6:14 pm

It’s all about how everyone else is measured. If everyone else is measured in their shoes, then he’s a 7 footer, otherwise he’s not.

Comment by panther94 06.26.13 @ 6:19 pm

marco no i am not all here i have been half nuts
for 55 years or more.

Comment by FRANKCAN 06.26.13 @ 6:29 pm

this is the 10th posting about height … the driver’s license height is whatever you say it is .. (or do they start measuring now?)

Comment by wbb 06.26.13 @ 6:33 pm

We’re half there. C’mon boys, you can do it!

Hail to Pitt!

Comment by steve1 06.26.13 @ 6:34 pm

Does anyone know if McKenzie is still visiting tomorrow? Or did the twitter harassment get to him?

Comment by panther94 06.26.13 @ 6:50 pm

Adams should have stayed at least a year longer and the whole thing about supporting the family seems to have not held up. Anyway, good luck to him and all the best.

I hope McKenzie still comes… Can twitter create an “idiot button” or something so as soon as some maroon starts acting like an a$$ AND claims to represent you in the process…. that we could push it and delete the post…. actually delete the person from existence would be a plus… but I’ll settle for not having Pitt take hits from its “Fans”….

Comment by Pittscript 06.26.13 @ 7:38 pm

Nice article on McKenzie and insights into his recruiting… I like what he says about Ohio State… and Pitt. Sounds like he is not deciding soon and why should he.

link to blog.preps.com

Comment by Pittscript 06.26.13 @ 7:42 pm

What’s the short version of what happened with McKenzie and twitter? Missed that.

Comment by Dan 06.26.13 @ 9:10 pm

not sure but some alleged Pitt twitters caused him to cancel his visit to Pitt or something

link to cardiachill.com

Comment by wbb 06.26.13 @ 9:18 pm

“Adams used a very strong draft combine performance, displaying a surprisingly accurate midrange jumper to likely ensure a place in the lottery.”

link to hoopshype.com

Yeah Jamie, who knew he had a good mid range shot…..I mean other than every team he was on before Adams came to Pitt….

Comment by Jackagain 06.26.13 @ 9:33 pm

@jackagain…holy crap, man…where have you been?

Comment by panther94 06.26.13 @ 10:20 pm

It is called twitter, but if you use it, you tweet, so you’re a tweeter.

Comment by panther94 06.26.13 @ 10:24 pm

on McKenzie hopefully he was just blowing off some steam threatening not to come.

I believe he tweeted about Shell’s situation (Basically taking the position it was Shell’s own doing) and then some people… supposed “Pitt fans”… actually they are total, F$%#ing idiots, started ragging on him…

… so every fan of other schools quickly jumped in and started stroking McKenzie and ridiculing Pitt…

It’s easy to see if you look at his Twitter account… seems to have died down now.

Comment by Pittscript 06.26.13 @ 11:07 pm

Shell wants to transfer to Ohio State, Kentucky, or Hoopieville.

Comment by Scott 78 06.26.13 @ 11:37 pm

I think the scouting reports on Adams only confirm what every Pitt fan knew (or should have known).

Adams had star potential but may have been the most inexperienced and raw player Pitt has ever had. Since Dixon has been scouting the kid and has known him for years, I’m sure he knew this.

The scouts all seem to agree: Physically & athletically he may be worth a top 5 pick.

But at the same time, the scouts agree he is also raw; has little to no offensive moves; bad hands; trouble catching the ball and just seems lost by the speed of the American game.

All of these are aspects of his game that had us fans going bi-polar during the season. Judging from his tweet, it even sounds like he realized how frustrating he was to us.

Comment by Bowling Green Panther 06.27.13 @ 6:59 am

Intersting article on how the Pitt Shell game played out by Sam Werner in the PG. I found this part the most intersting –

Shell, a Hopewell High School graduate, reached out to Pitt director of football operations Chris LaSala about a potential return, according to Zuccaro.
The talks only reached a preliminary stage, and Zuccaro said phone calls and text messages to Chryst went unreturned. After a couple of days in limbo, Shell and his mother found out Pitt would not allow him to return when they saw a report on the news.
“It was a little frustrating when coach Chryst wouldn’t answer his calls or his text messages,” Zuccaro said.

link to post-gazette.com

Comment by Winedogs 06.27.13 @ 7:44 am

I take it that Chryst has decided that Shell has wasted enough of his time … and my guess is that he thought he bent over backwards to accomodate Shell back during spring drills.

I am glad that Pitt has now released him to any school.

Comment by wbb 06.27.13 @ 8:33 am

On another subject, does anyone know the status of Travon Chapman as far as his standing with the football team? Is he on campus and participating in the voluntary workouts? H2P!

Comment by Panther Fan in Hoopieland 06.27.13 @ 8:47 am

Good point wbb. Once you cross the line with PC that seems to be it. If true would have been good to have someone reach back and give the kid a direct answer.

I do hope he does well… not sure he is going to fit in spread type schemes?? Seems he’s best running down hill? OS and WVU might take him but not sure if he would be featured. Don’t know how Kentucky plays offense?

Comment by Pittscript 06.27.13 @ 8:55 am

We don’t know how PC left it when Shell left, maybe PC said “don’t bother asking to come back, I won’t even answer the phone call” but it seems rude to not just answer and say “no.” Also, we’re hearing Shell’s side of the story and in the past that has been slightly biased.”

Comment by Caw Miller 06.27.13 @ 9:04 am

Oh, and all the best to Adams!

Comment by Caw Miller 06.27.13 @ 9:05 am

anyone know if McKenzie made it to Pitt today as previously planned?

Comment by Pittscript 06.27.13 @ 9:31 am

If Adams makes it to the pros, maybe he’ll payback his scholarship $$ that he took from Pitt. After all, it was Jamie and Pitt that got him into the NBA.

I’m not in favor of Pitt becoming a prep school for the NBA unless the players stay four years. That’s just my opinion.

Comment by MariettaMike 06.27.13 @ 10:35 am

Jaime and Pitt did not get Adams to the NBA. He would have been a first round pick last year if he didn’t go to Pitt. His stock actually likely dropped because of his low numbers at Pitt.

Comment by Dish 06.27.13 @ 11:41 am

Adams was a disaster all the way around. Didn’t get much out of him as a player AND he got out of Dodge the minute he could.

What a complete miscalculation on Dixon’s part.

If you know he’s that raw and you know he’s probably gone in the blink of an eye, don’t even bother.

Comment by hugh green 06.27.13 @ 1:11 pm

A few mock drafts that were out a year ago for this year’s draft did have Adams as the 2nd overall pick. Nerlens Noel was the 1st. Even though it is kind stupid to project a draft that is a year away, it does give you an idea of the player’s “stock” at that moment.

Noel did enough in a short time at KY to keep his stock high. Adam’s stock fell while at Pitt and has started to climb since he left. Fair or not, Pitt and Dixon will be seen as NOT helping Kiwi Steve’s draft status. And that won’t be good for recruiting.

Let’s hope he gets picked in the 10-12 range.

Comment by Boubacar Aw 06.27.13 @ 1:17 pm

hugh, although it couldn’t have been predicted, I agree that Adams was a disaster. It could have well swayed the center (forogt his name) to transfer, and may have deterred another tall recruit or two from coming.

Further, this past year was primarily based on getting Adams his minutes and learning his craft, when in fact, there were time when Sleepy seemed more productive (I do know that Sleepy’s stats-per minute were better.)

It would have all apid off only if Adams would have stayed at least 1 more year … but such is the life of a Pitt fan.

Comment by wbb 06.27.13 @ 2:11 pm

i know, frustrating. I feel like that was a conversation Dixon had to have with the kid on the front end. If you come to the states to play for me, this is a minimum 2-year commitment you’re making and we’ll spend those two years doing everything in our power to get your game ready for the next level.

Comment by hugh green 06.27.13 @ 2:32 pm

Hugh Green, You sure have a talent for finding fault with JD. Let me make sure I understand you. 1) Adams was a disaster 2) Dixon made a complete miscalculation. On your first point Adams came to Pitt very green and way lost and left a force inside and at minimum a competent Big East big man. He is about to be an early 1st round draft pick after helping Pitt to better season than most experts projected. Where is the disaster? Concerning your 2nd point how was Dixon to know how quickly Adams would progress let alone calculate the length of time he would spend here before moving on to his pro career? I suggest that he welcome any and all potential 1st round draft picks who express an interest in playing here. I for one am glad Steve Adams played here, I think it reflects well on Pitt and Dixon and was of great benefit to Steve Adams and our team. I regret he has moved on but I wish him the best and trust the past year was of benefit to both parties. Your negative take on a positive situation says a lot more about you than it does about Adams or Dixon. Why are you so critical?

Comment by spiritofsection 22 06.27.13 @ 2:44 pm

wbb, Who were these tall recruits that were deterred? Your assessment of the season being spent teaching Adams his craft is even more bizarre than Hugh Greens assertions. Dante got plenty of playing time and if anything too much. You two are rewriting history, Adams was a plus, it’s too bad he won’t be back, but there was no disaster other than the one in you and Hugh’s imaginations.

Comment by spiritofsection 22 06.27.13 @ 2:54 pm

Let me say this…..IT IS NEVER A BAD THING TO HAVE A PITT PLAYER TAKEN IN THE 1ST ROUND OF THE NBA DRAFT.
NEVER.
To the contrary, his photo and allthe phtos of Pitt basketball greats should line the interior walls of the Pete.
How friggen’ long does it take for Pederson to take action on what is obvious?????
Ever been in a real basketball powers’ arena? Pictures of the greats are verywhere!

Comment by sfpitt 06.27.13 @ 3:14 pm

HG, Now you are telling us about conversations Dixon should be having with recruits demanding they stay 2 years while Dixon gets them ready for pro ball. Why and how would Dixon hold a player back from a multi million dollar contract based on such a conversation? Furthermore it isn’t Dixon’s job or should he be promising to do everything in his power to prepare a player for his professional career. Your implication is that somehow Dixon should have gotten Adams to stay or he should have never brought him here. I can’t figure out which assertion is more misguided. Adams is about to see a huge payday. Pitt and Dixon benefitted from Adams playing here. It would have been good for Pitt if Adams could have come back but not as good for Adams so he left. That’s how it works and the only disaster is in your head ,get over it.

Comment by spiritofsection 22 06.27.13 @ 3:18 pm

Boubacar, You could be right about the mock drafts but I disagree with the suggestion that Pitt and Dixon will look bad by his current draft status. Both will get kudos for helping a player reach that level and only Dixon’s harshest critics would suggest he wasn’t instrumental in helping Steve Adams get where he is today. Unfortunately some of Dixon’s harshest critics are regular contributors on this site but they aren’t indicative of public opinion.

Comment by spiritofsection 22 06.27.13 @ 3:33 pm

Please note the beginning of my quote .. “although it could have not been predicted”

I am not saying that Dixon shouldn’t have recruited Adams; I’m just saying everything worked out for the worst. Adams was a year away of making a big impact IMO .. but as we saw, Pitt was dug into a large hole when he decided to turn pro unexpecetedly … hopefuly Uchebo is healthy .. and good.

I didn’t say that Adams wasn’t aplus, but if anything, you have been rewriting history by implying Adams was the savior of this year, and was misused as you have been campaiging for these past 2 months.

Remember, we lost to both teams that competed in the national title game by 3 points each … and Mr Adams contributed next to nothing in those game (in fact, he looked silly vs Michigan)

Comment by wbb 06.27.13 @ 3:46 pm

Marietta Mike, Steve Adams doesn’t owe Pitt anything. The university made a huge profit on the basketball program last year and Adams was a significant contributor to that team. Adams is about to cash in on his athletic gift which we were lucky to enjoy for one season. We all wish it was more but that doesn’t mean he owes us anything. I hope he appreciates the experience and would hope he “pays us back” by having a long and very successful NBA career and a productive positive life.

Comment by spiritofsection 22 06.27.13 @ 3:54 pm

I never implied Adams was some kind of savior, I said he helped us to a better season than projected and he was a plus. You agreed with Hugh Greens statement that he was a disaster. I think my take is a whole lot closer to reality than yours. You blamed The loss of Gilbert (transfer) on Adams, and suggested he cost us other recruits, when I don’t see any evidence that either happened. Gilbert left hoping to play with his brother and was at best a project. I have seen no evidence that any recruits were lost due to Adams. I agree Adams would have made a huge positive impact at Pitt next season but that doesn’t make his time here into a disaster. The Michigan game wasn’t his finest moment but it was a long way from some gym in Auchland to The Garden a few months later. I think we should have gotten him the ball more and I think we would have done better if we had forced our offense through him. That doesn’t mean he or we were a disaster. I blame the guard play but I am not an authority. I do know enough to know that Adams wasn’t a disaster nor was last season.

Comment by spiritofsection 22 06.27.13 @ 4:21 pm

wbb, Adams had 8pts 7 boards 2steals and a block against Louisville and was a huge defensive presence in that game. That is a lot more than “next to nothing” but I would have liked to have seen him contribute more too. He played the game with a hand brace and went 0 for 4 from the foul line. If he would have been healthy I think we would have won but I sometimes become delusional in my optimism. I thought we were going to beat Witchita St. as an example.

Comment by spiritofsection 22 06.27.13 @ 4:39 pm

With the crucifixion of Adams on this board, he bears a slight resemblance to the only perfect person to have lived.
Holy sour grapes guys, get over it and make some lemonade!

Comment by Sfpitt 06.27.13 @ 5:58 pm

nobody is crucifying Adams. How come everytime a negative comment is made about a Pitt guy (Adams, HCPC, etc), people go apesh*t.

My point is that because the way things turned out, it was a disaster, mainly because we put our eggs all in his basket. Again, I remember when the backup center (still can’t remember his name) transferred out last December and nobody was worried because we had Adams for another years or two … yea right! Also, who’s to say that someone like BeeJay Anye, who was high on Pitt and a teammate of James Robinson, shied away because he thought he wouldn’t get much PT behind Adams for the next year or 2?

I liked Adams as a pickup, routed for him, was disappointed when he decided to leave, and hope he does very well tonight and in the near future …. but to be honest, looking back, I believe Pitt would now be in better shape had he not attended here.

Comment by wbb 06.27.13 @ 6:32 pm

wbb, The reason can’t remember his name is because he wasn’t any good. Where is the disaster? Last years team exceeded preseason expectations and your “disaster” scenario is based on imaginary players not coming here that you don’t know to exist let alone assume they made choices based on Adams status. What concrete positive difference would have been gained by Adams not having come to Pitt? Would last years team have been better? Would next years? I don’t see any great available “eggs” who were diverted from our basket because of Adams. I admit the basket looks a little light right now but it remains to be seen as to how next year will pan out. I repeat where is the disaster?

Comment by spiritofsection 22 06.27.13 @ 6:51 pm

@wbb
Last year was far from a disaster. We rebounded from a horrid season, made the NCAA tourney and had some lovely wins.
Adams left because of money. Gilbert left I suppose in part because of Adams and JD didn’t have a plan B.
But calling the challenge of 2013-14 a disaster is premature at the least and sells Adams short.
If Adams had stayed one more year there were no guarantees.
I just don’t see what is gained by labeling our first 1st round draft pick a ” disaster”. Recruits in a year snot give a crap, but will be persuaded by the FACT that Pitt had a lottery pick.
To 17 year olds, 1 year is an eternity.
INRI

Comment by Sfpitt 06.27.13 @ 6:56 pm

I agree last year wasn’t a disaster but I honestly believe Adams’ presence was not as big factor as many seem to believe.

But more than that, I really believe the program is worse off because of his one and done … same as Birch, who I thought ended up hurting the program in the ling run.

But PLEASE … I have nothing personal against Adams, I really like the kid and hope he does well

Comment by wbb 06.27.13 @ 7:16 pm

Malcolm Gilbert said he left so he could play with his brother and be closer to his family. He was a good kid and a good student. He wasn’t going to make any big contribution here unless he found some game that he hasn’t yet demonstrated. He helped provide depth at center in practice and the fact that he was being redshirted as a sophomore says it all. He might, repeat might, have helped provide depth next year. He was no big loss and his departure is certainly no “disaster”. Keith Starr tearing his knee, Reynolds last second heroics, Nasir’s foul, those were disasters.

Comment by spiritofsection 22 06.27.13 @ 7:22 pm

wbb, I agree that Birch hurt the program by leaving. He could have made a big impact on last season and certainly would have helped his freshman year. Next year he would have been poised to be a star in the ACC. Instead he is playing out west, but we had better get used to a generation of players that come and go. It is the new normal and there are no guarantees or certainties. I think Dixon will actually benefit by developing players who want to be here. This coming season will be a chance to see if he can coach. Don’t be surprised if he gets a lot out of the “disaster squad!”

Comment by spiritofsection 22 06.27.13 @ 7:33 pm

Adams @12 to old thunder. Congrats to kiwi Steve! HTTP!

Comment by Ghost of Hornman 06.27.13 @ 7:53 pm

How dare ESPN list Adams as 7′!

Comment by wbb 06.27.13 @ 7:53 pm

Adams gets picked ahead of Olynec, Muhamed ,and Plumlee.

Comment by spiritofsection 22 06.27.13 @ 7:54 pm

by old meant OKC

Comment by Ghost of Hornman 06.27.13 @ 7:55 pm

did you notice that Bilas had fellow Dukie Plumlee listed higher than Adams and Olenyk? We’ll see how long Plumlee lasts

Comment by wbb 06.27.13 @ 8:00 pm

Check out the colors of Adam’s hanky…

link to triblive.com

Comment by Jackagain 06.27.13 @ 9:01 pm

There is a reason Bilas does not get asked to comment on NBA matters.
I have it on good authority that Adams will publicly thank the Blather faithful!

Comment by Sfpitt 06.27.13 @ 9:06 pm

Wow. Adams @ 12. I’ll never be a NBA GM for sure!! Sure I wish Adams was still @ PITT but 12th selection w/a 5.5 million 3yr guarantee based on potential.

Comment by DC33 06.28.13 @ 9:56 am

I said a year ago that Steve Adams would one day star in the NBA, not just play. Obviously somebody in Oklahoma agrees.

Comment by spiritofsection 22 06.28.13 @ 10:40 am

spiritofsection22, just in case you’re reading this …. I owe you an apology

I accused you in a posting above of a 2 month Steve Adams campaign, when in fact, I believe the one I was referring to should have been ‘pttisit’

sorry

Comment by wbb 06.28.13 @ 1:23 pm

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