May 31, 2013

Moore, Lacey, Kane

Filed under: Basketball,Recruiting,Transfer — Chas @ 6:44 am

Welp, DeAndre Kane was definitely going to come to Pitt for his fifth year. That is if USC didn’t sweep him off his feet. Then Memphis made a late push that seemed to sway him. But in a typical way for Kane, none of the above. He’s heading to Iowa State.

Consider me less than broken up by this. Or, for that matter, surprised that Kane flitted about from option to option. Poised to pick and then reconsider. Mercurial is one way to describe Kane. A headache might be another. You will pardon me if I don’t think Pitt is in any worse shape without Kane.

The Alabama transfer, Trevor Lacey was at Pitt this week. He was getting the full treatment with Brandin Knight taking him around to the Steelers practice. Later it was a Pirates game. Reports are it was a very good visit, but we will see. Lacey would be a great transfer to get. Yes, he would have to sit a year, but it would be worth it.

J.J. Moore is finally transferring. He’s headed to Rutgers. Why? Because, um, they are in the New York City area and his other options since he wanted to be close to home in Long Island were Iona or Quinnipiac. Moore will apply for a hardship waiver so he won’t have to sit before his final year of eligibility. His grandfather is ill according to the reports.

While Rutgers is in upheaval. Players are gone. A new coach is there. Moore anticipates a faster tempo.

“I’m just a running guy and with the athleticism here, they look like a running team,” Moore said. “I like to run and get out there and be more assertive.”

If by assertive, he means spot up for a long jumper or three rather than attack the basket. Then yes, he likes to be more assertive.

From a depth perspective, losing Moore hurts. Not a question. From his talent and potential, he was and is so tantalizing.

But his stroke is terribly inconsistent. He never bothered to develop any shot fake that could have aided him. He eschewed driving to the basket unless there was no chance of contact. His ball handling was suspect, and his defense was much the same.

I do wish him well, though. This has been a quiet transfer by Moore, despite it being well known that he was leaving. No big proclamations. No mixed signals. Quietly looking at the schools and generally keeping things close to the vest.

If you are hoping for a Sheldon Jeter update, there is none. Neither Jeter or Vandy have said a word.

I have no inside info—but, I suspect Kane had more interest in Pitt than Pitt had in him from the very beginning.

Hope Lacey commits since he is more of what Pitt needs than Kane–a decent a sufficiently tall 2G that can actually shoot the jumper very well and isn’t primarily/solely a slasher.

Comment by pitt1972 05.31.13 @ 7:49 am

A pain in the ass he might have been
but kane would have given pitt the 2 guard they
need for this year and would have been gone when lacy was ready to play if we even get lacy ok
we have 3 to give now we are down 3 players for the comeing year with jeter in space and lacy a maybe but both could not play this year.
so unless they find some one for this year
we have 10 men for first year in ACC .
and 5 of them have never played a major college
basketball game i wish us luck we will need it.

Comment by FRANKCAN 05.31.13 @ 8:06 am

I think most of us will agree that with all the positives of JD’s program and success over the past decade, the problem with getting top talent to Pitt is two-fold: 1.Pitt basketball is simply too boring, who wants to go to college and play “boring ball” (bocce ball may be more exciting) 2. The highly publicized negative national commentary that Pitts type of approach crashes and burns in the Big Dance, which our failure validates all too well, also keeps top players away. Jamie, please, pretty please, start playing some exciting offensive basketball with our strong defense.

Comment by pittman4ever 05.31.13 @ 8:29 am

So, I’ll take it, you’ve never played strip bocce???

Comment by Dan 05.31.13 @ 8:47 am

Hey Chaz. Are we still in the mix for the 7 footer Ali. Also Jamie was after a juco 2 G. Don’t remember his name

Comment by Wes 05.31.13 @ 9:02 am

From what I was able to observe, Moore was a good teammate who had great potential. I think he would certainly benefit in an uptempo system.

Of all of the players mentioned above, Lacey would be my top preference. Jeter would also be welcome but a guard who can score is a big need.

Hope he is not ineligible (can Pitt brig him to a Pirates game?)

Comment by wbb 05.31.13 @ 9:05 am

bring him to a Pirate game but don’t shake hands with AJ or Grilli. Is there any connection to their very good performances the last two years and the fact neither has looked like they have washed or cut their hair in all that time. New meaning to grease ball.

Comment by chethejet 05.31.13 @ 9:40 am

Lacey is the best player I played against in high school

Comment by TonyC 05.31.13 @ 10:29 am


Pitt BB is not boring. Hustle on D, teamwork, and a 75% winning percentage over a ten year period in the toughest league in the country.

JD’s largest hurdle to overcome is the lack of top talent
in WPa. If u don’t like Pitt’s style watch the NBA.

Comment by JR 05.31.13 @ 11:15 am

wes no thoes players are history.the guard signed
some were else.
and i think they stoped recruiting the outher kid

Comment by FRANKCAN 05.31.13 @ 11:57 am

Moore, Lacey, Kane…sounds like a porn flick roster.

Comment by yup 05.31.13 @ 12:13 pm

Dear fellow Pitt fan JR,
Thanks for helping to make my point. What top prospect is going to want to go to a school so he can concentrate on playing defense for 4 years? Very few – and that’s the problem. Pitt needs to be dynamic on BOTH the defensive and offensive side of the floor. Then we will field a balanced team that will go deep into the Tournament.

Comment by pittman4ever 05.31.13 @ 2:09 pm

pittman4ever, Pitt ran one of the most efficient offenses in the NCAA’s last year and the 5 star type recruits were 2 deep on the Kentucky roster when they got beat by Bobby Mo in the NIT 1st round. Witchita St went pretty deep with the exact same style of play we have. They didn’t have a single 5 star offensive hot dog on the roster. Your theory sounds good on paper but it doesn’t play on the court. Pitt has a lot to offer to attract good players and Dixon will find a way to keep us in the top 20 most of the time. If you are counting on more than that you will probably be disappointed.

Comment by spiritofsection 22 05.31.13 @ 2:33 pm

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Comment by steve1 05.31.13 @ 3:49 pm

The majority of college players need a system to get open – screens, picks, reverse the ball, etc. the other 10 percent can play 1 on 1 and they go on to play pro ball. Pitt is the same as most schools. JD has proven he plays faster when he has the talent to do so. Just look back to how they played with Young, Blair, etc.

Comment by RayHpgh 05.31.13 @ 3:52 pm

Dear spiritofsection 22,
I agree with much of what you are saying. Like you, I am a diehard Pitt fan, and because of that, like you, I want our team to be the best that it can be. I happen to believe that if our offense was more dynamic in points per game than in being efficient, we would be a more exciting team to watch and also be able to better compete with final four teams at tournament time. It’s our lack of scoring, not our efficiency, that ultimately hurts us. Look, I had Pitt going to the final 4 and winning the national championship last year in my bracket picks. I’ve now concluded that we can’t get there without more scoring. In closing, who is the greatest Pitt BB player in the last 50 years? Easy to answer: Billy Knight. Why? Because he could score!!!

Comment by pittman4ever 05.31.13 @ 4:11 pm

2nd round.
2nd round.
No Tourney.
1st round.

Hope we’re going to go “deep” into the tourney again sometime soon!

Comment by Dan 05.31.13 @ 4:59 pm

JD’s system motion offense works when you have a low post player who can score. (see Aaron Gray, DeJuan Blair, even Chevy Troutman)

It really struggled the last two seasons without any low post scoring. As neither Sleepy or Kiwi Steve had any low post moves, nor could either play with their back to the basket. And of course much scoring at all.
Therefore the offense could not be run thru the low post which is what JD’s system requires.

In the halfcourt offense, in games against better teams, this team really struggled to score as the flameouts against Syracuse and Wichita State indicated. Although again our last two losses were to 2 teams in the Final 4. Incredible as that is since in 2011, the last 2 losses were to Uconn & Butler, again two Final 4 teams and one the National Champion. It would seem the selection committee has a cyrstal ball or something and we get some terrrible matchups.

I thought this years team was much more suited to playing an uptempo, running style since all our bigs could run the floor and I suggested this ad nauseum thruout the season. Whereas JD loves to limit possessions, playing uptempo creates more and this team also showed that it could create turnovers when it rarely pressed. Kids wouldn’t mind playing defense if it involved pressing and creating turnovers which leads to the easy points and high flying dunks they love.

They really don’t like, just the grinding same old defense possession after possession, which doesn’t really produce turnovers and breakouts for the easy hoops and dunks. Which is only successful it seems in the regular season when teams don’t play as hard, every game they play.

Perhaps the return of an older asst. coach (Slice) will have another voice in JD’s ear to not be so stubborn in the way Pitt plays. There is some hope, as JD played more zone than ever, last season. And to beat the better teams, you really need to be able to play more than one defense successfully.

As for the Billy Knight, he was the featured player and scorer on his team in ’73 & ’74.
Don’t think he would of averaged 24 & 22 ppg in JD’s motion limited possession offense that uses most of the shot clock. There isn’t just enough possessions to have one guy average that many points. If you look back over the last 10 years, you can probably count on two hands, how many Pitt players scored 25 points or more in a game.

Not a real good indicator of exciting basetball is it. We win, but we win mostly ugly, I think they call it.

Comment by EMel 05.31.13 @ 5:20 pm

Most of the diehard Dixon defenders talk about what his teams have done in the past Right now the discussion is about how few players Dixon has for next season. This past season put Pitt among the best 66 teams in the country, but it didn’t bring overall satisfaction to fans, just disagreements over the status of Pitt’s basketball program. It doesn’t bode well for the downward-trending program when players criticize the tempo of play. So whose betting on Pitt to finish in the top six of the ACC next season at this point?

Comment by TonyinHouston 05.31.13 @ 8:52 pm

Pitt has had 8 players leave the program the last two years….who or what is to blame????

Comment by Keith 05.31.13 @ 9:20 pm


Answer: Dixon boring system is to blame.
When a player is thinking to much (pass pass pass) and passing up an open shot because he thinks he is going to get benched for taking a shot toooo early in the shot clock, that is a problem.
Dixon has become a control freak controlling every possession both on offense and defense.

Comment by Pitt.Dan83 05.31.13 @ 9:50 pm

The system is to blame for guys leaving? So, before these players signed their letter of intent, they never watched any Pitt games? Hard to believe. It’s not like Dixon changed his philosophy overnight. He must be showing kids alterned footage or something to get them to come to Pitt.

We’ll see how many of these players makes a huge splash at their next stop in their journey.

Comment by Mailman 05.31.13 @ 10:08 pm

Wow, Dixon haters abound this evening. Don’t count me in that.

Comment by panther94 05.31.13 @ 11:30 pm

No Dixon haters (your words). Reality can be a bitch.

Comment by TonyinHouston 05.31.13 @ 11:51 pm

I think your view of reality is skewed, Tony. Who would be a better bb coach for Pitt? Don’t even say Sean Miller…he’s not going anywhere. Other than him, name someone we can get who would be better.

Comment by panther94 06.01.13 @ 12:37 am

It started 11/12 season and 12/13 got worse.
Dixon coaching style has become soooo controlling. Have you noticed how many players want to jump on board recently (transfer-in to Pitt?).

They are transfering out because they are not having fun playing. If you played HS BB you would understand.

Comment by Pitt.Dan83 06.01.13 @ 7:05 am

Billy Knight would have averaged 65 points per game for Pitt the last 2 years. He would have been the only one on the team allowed to shoot.

Comment by RayHpgh 06.01.13 @ 7:21 am

Whatever the reasons, the transfers are not a good sign. This is what happens to programs with instability due to coaching changes or scandal (see Pitt football). I think it can be partially blamed on transfers being the new norm, but I am already weary of talk of Pitt trying to build/rebuild this program with with 5th yr senior transfers, other’s cast offs, and JUCOs. Have we become St. John’s?

Comment by Iron Duke 06.01.13 @ 7:51 am

So there are over 400 transfer players not having “fun” across the NCAAs this past year. Blame Dixon!

Comment by JW 06.01.13 @ 8:07 am

Not my question. I didn’t make the leap to firing Dixon. We have a highly paid AD who should be wondering about the direction of the program. The questions about Dixon aren’t going away. A year from now the volume will be even higher.

Comment by TonyinHouston 06.01.13 @ 8:08 am

Lots of better coaches out there. Smart, Stevens, etc.
The question is, will Pitt be able to land any of them? That is why they stuck with Dixon but I would not have given Dixon a 10yr extension. I would have called the bluff of moving to USC. If he went, so be it and I wouldn’t match a USC offer.

Comment by Pitt.Dan83 06.01.13 @ 8:09 am

Pretty much.
There was either a coaching change or they are looking for more playing time.
How many of those 400 are knocking on Pitt’s door??

Comment by Pitt.Dan83 06.01.13 @ 8:11 am

I personally really like Dixon as a coach,I love his integrity and being a positive spokesmen for the university and the program. He is an excellent defensive minded coach and in my opinion all he has to do is in some way adjust his low scoring “efficient” offensive mindset to a higher scoring option and much of his self induced problems (like bombing in the Big Dance) we talk about will dissipate.

Comment by pittman4ever 06.01.13 @ 9:46 am

Time to wake up this post is not abought dixon
but abought the team.
the missesota doctors who checked out uchebo say
he wont play this year.
so that leaves us with 9 players for next year.
half the people that post on here say zanna sucks
that he gets lost in big games they say the same abought patterson that he just stands around.
i dont say that but they do and they know more then me.
durand has played a little but they think he can shot but they are not sure how good he will be.

wright cant shoot has no shot but plays the D

that leaves 4 players who have never played a
college basketball game jones was a red shirt
so how does that mean a top 20 program sa some on here say wake up take off the rose glasses
we wi ll finish in the bottom half of the ACC this year not top 20.

Comment by FRANKCAN 06.01.13 @ 10:14 am

Totally agree, Frankcan.

Comment by TonyinHouston 06.01.13 @ 10:33 am

right now the only good player we have is robinson

Comment by FRANKCAN 06.01.13 @ 10:35 am

I believe Dixon is a good coach. But he’s definitely reached his ceiling. Anybody can point to a few teams here and there that have made deep runs without NBA talent but to do it consistently you need some elite players. Yes, Pitt has won a lot of games over the past decade, but to not acknowledge Dixon’s system has limitations is just plain ignoring the statistical data. Also, if you don’t think other coaches across the country — that are competing for some of the same guys as Pitt — aren’t bashing Dixon and his system every chance they get then you’re just not living in reality. I’m not saying Dixon needs to go, but he simply must make some offensive adjustments to lure an elite guard or two. So please, enough with the Dixon-hater hyperbole. The up-tempo, guard-oriented style employed by most college basketball teams is not a fad, and it’s not by accident that Pitt hasn’t advanced further in the NCAA tourney. No, Dixon doesn’t have to go. But part of his offensive philosophy must if Pitt is ever to take the next step.

Comment by WorkinOnMyPittness 06.01.13 @ 10:43 am

Well said workinonmypittness and I agree.

Comment by Pitt.Dan83 06.01.13 @ 11:16 am

“haters”. Started really to be used in politics a few years ago.

Has now watered down and diluted the actual meaning of the word and trivialized it.

It now has come to mean, someone who disagrees with your opinion.

I think Dixon has done a great job, great guy, past couple years haven’t been so hot.

That’s just a fact.

2nd round
2nd round
no tourney
1st round.

There’s no hate, animosity or anything else about that. FACTS.

I was just replying to someone else by the way.

Comment by dan 06.01.13 @ 11:37 am

leta tell the truth lets say you coach a top notch BB team like louisville or duke and you say you can have any player from pitt you want and make him a starter on your team robinson is who they take.
of all the outher players on pitt basketbal team
they might take some for depth.

so we have one player who could stare for a top flight team the rest they might take for depth
maybe young would go before the ones who have been here for years how sad of a team is that.

Comment by FRANKCAN 06.01.13 @ 11:56 am

Interesting analysis and true.
You forgot to add, the response to those who call others haters is to call them koolaid drinkers. lol

Reality is, the last 2 years have been ugly Pitt basketball. Yes they won many games but half the wins are against powderpuff teams.
There are no excuses. Pitt has great facilities. On campus arena! lol. etc
I think Dixon was forced to make a coaching change and bring back Rohrson as I don’t believe that was Dixon’s idea.
Pitt BB should be a Top 20 team every year. They should be in the NCAA every year. Those are the minimal expectations.

Comment by Pitt.Dan83 06.01.13 @ 11:56 am

Robinson would not start for Duke or louisville. He is tooo slow paced.
He didn’t have offers from either out of HS.
I don’t see anyone on the current roster who would get any minutes on Duke or Louisville so doubtful they would want them for depth. But you always need bodies to run a practice.

Comment by Pitt.Dan83 06.01.13 @ 12:00 pm

pittDan83 and panther 94 but i think you get my point which is that robinson is the only first class
good player on the pitt team at this point.
the rest are the 9 or 10 of the bench maybe
the point is are players are not very good .

except robinson and may be young but he has not played a college game yet.

the team is made of players who might be depth
on a team like duke.

Comment by FRANKCAN 06.01.13 @ 12:25 pm

The doom and gloom set is back in vogue here and it is getting ugly. I think Pitt will definitely finish in the top half of the ACC next year even with the defections. I think Zanna and Johnson both have more big time potential than Robinson and I love Robinson. Dixon will figure a way to get the most out of next years team and we will be in the top 20 at some point and make the NCAAs. We always do. This the sky is falling mentality is rooted in a bunch of posters thinking they are way smarter than Dixon, and he has an amazing record of consistency to fall back on ,while the posters wish they actually knew something that he doesn’t. We didn’t have a very good team last year and we still finished 4th in the Big East. We beat Final 4 bound Syracuse once and lost to them tough once. Louisville barely got by us and we pounded a good Gtown team on their home floor. We lost to an excellent Witchita St team in the 1st round launching them towards a Final 4 run. Now the posters explain how much more we would have accomplished if Dixon would just listen to them. He also would have better luck recruiting if he played their style. I think he is doing just fine and Pitt will be just fine. The sky is not about to fall.

Comment by spiritofsection 22 06.01.13 @ 12:40 pm

It’s not a sky is falling kind of thing.
It’s an expectation…
not in the near future but every year!!

Who’s fault is it that Pitt didn’t have a good team the past 2 years?
Your definition of “just fine” is different than mine. And that’s just fine.

Pitt BB is soon going to look like FB with that “loser” attitude. And that is NOT FINE.

Comment by Pitt.Dan83 06.01.13 @ 12:52 pm

spiritofsection22 no the sky wont fall all i am saying is to expect a top 20 finish with what he has for a team seams to much. not real thinking if we were talking abought st johns with every thing being the same would you still say top 20.

i dont think so it is top 20 becuse it is dixon and pitt well i hope you are right i just dont see it this year with the players he has.
but i hope you are right.

Comment by FRANKCAN 06.01.13 @ 12:52 pm

Dan 83, We are not Duke ,but the last time we met we beat them as a 10 point dog. How does Duke ever lose? They don’t have to recruit, just an invitation will do. Duke comes to the Pete next year and even with our bunch of nobodies I like our chances. Dixon has consistently gotten more out of a cast of “bench depth” type Duke players than anyone could expect. He will do the same in the ACC which is a step down in some respects as far as competition. I think we would have beat Duke last year and most of the last decade if given the opportunity. We are what we are but don’t sell us short. Dixon has a great knack for giving the 5 star type teams all they can handle.

Comment by spiritofsection 22 06.01.13 @ 1:03 pm

Sorry, but Pitt should be considered one of the Top 20 programs a HS kid wants to go to.
It isn’t. Why?
Sure, the top programs are: Duke, UNC, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisville.
Do you think they would be on top with your attitude. NO
It’s an expectation that starts with the fans and enforced by admin. Pitt has the BB facilities to compete to be a top BB school destination for HS players. I can’t/wont say that about FB.

Comment by Pitt.Dan83 06.01.13 @ 1:14 pm

any team can give any 5star type team all they can handle on a given day. That is just a dumb comment.
RMU v Kentucky?
Can they do 2 out of 3… No.
Did you every play sports or are you a female? just askin.

Comment by Pitt.Dan83 06.01.13 @ 1:16 pm

We have spent time in the top 20 for the last decade every year and suggesting that we won’t next year is gloom and doom. We were picked to finish 7th in the Big East last year and were 4th. History says you are assuming we will fail with a track record that says we won’t. I admit that recent developments would tend to make one nervous, relax, Dixon will figure it out he always seems to.

Comment by spiritofsection 22 06.01.13 @ 1:19 pm

ok, I’m responding to a skirt who never played sports. ok I see where you are coming from.

Comment by Pitt.Dan83 06.01.13 @ 1:23 pm

Stop talking about the past, you need to only look at the last 2 years.

Comment by Pitt.Dan83 06.01.13 @ 1:24 pm

spirt but will the ref let us play rockem sockem big
east style BB IN acc like we did in big east i bet they call a different stye of game.
which means a different kind of player what we got away with before we might not now.
what say you pitt Dan83 is that a good point or

Comment by FRANKCAN 06.01.13 @ 1:25 pm

pittDAN 83 PLEASE no name calling you make very good points you dont need to call spirt a skirt
spirt is and can have his points of view and you yours
which you state very well.
please let us fight nice with ideas not name calling
spirt and i did that once and we both were wrong
so let us fight nice with just ideas no name callng

Comment by FRANKCAN 06.01.13 @ 1:32 pm

So why just the past two years? Is it because that’s the timeframe you prefer to use to make your point? If the team had been bad the past 5 years, I’m guessing you would have used 5. Btw, my apologies for calling those with a different opinion haters.

Comment by panther94 06.01.13 @ 1:38 pm

Pittdan.83, You needn’t insult me to show how brilliant you are or what an amazing athlete you were. I am male season ticket holder, fan since early 70’s, and was a good enough baseball player as a young man to be drafted by the Athletics. I am so old they were in Kansas City at the time. My favorite interest in sports is Pitt hoops and I think all the points I made were valid so rather than make me the issue why don’t you show me what I said that don’t agree with and why.i promise not to call you names or make you out to be of inferior background. By the way I know a couple women who are pretty sharp on Pitt hoops.

Comment by spiritofsection 22 06.01.13 @ 1:39 pm

women have a different perspective with competition. If they lose, they will say thats ok. lol Men and women are different when it comes to sports competition generally speaking.
I go to Greentree every summer at least once.
Last summer, what I saw was an elite 8 type team. Then Dixon style took over and bam… t

Comment by Pitt.Dan83 06.01.13 @ 1:42 pm

pittDan83 all i am saying is you make very good points thet you back up fine you dont need to call him names.
i know some times he can make you nuts he and i got into it but he can say what he wants the same as you i was wrong when i fought with him and he was wrong when he fought with me just saying
let the ideas go back and forth with out the name calling.

Comment by FRANKCAN 06.01.13 @ 1:56 pm

no name calling, I was asking if spirit was a woman who never played sports. Then I can understand that position. Women are different then men.

Comment by Pitt.Dan83 06.01.13 @ 2:01 pm

pitt.Dan look at one time i thought he was a kid
and should not be on here . but i was wrong he just thinks that dixon can do great things .
he has a right to the way he thinks and you or i can try to change his mind as he will try to change ours.
but he is over 60 and all i am saying is lets fight nice with ideas back and forh exchange of ideas with out name calling.
spirt means well he is just a die hard fan.

Comment by FRANKCAN 06.01.13 @ 2:11 pm

Thanks Frank Dan I still am finding your posts abusive, what is it you disagree with and back up your opinion. Pitt has spent time in the top 20 both of the last 2 years and has had 1 bad year in the last decade ,so I don’t care what happens in Greentree your post is the one that shows a lack of understanding and knowledge.

Comment by spiritofsection 22 06.01.13 @ 2:27 pm

spirit you are right pitt is allways in the top 20
i will give you that.
but do you really think they can do it this year with only 10 or 9 players 4 of which have never played in a college game before.
in the ACC with diferent refs do you have that much faith.
really just becuse he allways did it before if
you do i hope you are right i just have a hard time seeing it. i want to see it but my mind says no way he pulls it off.

Comment by FRANKCAN 06.01.13 @ 2:45 pm

We don’t get any Top level men’s BB recruits because western PA is devoid of them. Our recruiting has suffered recently, hence the hiring of slice. Reopen the tri-state pipeline slice! I am glad he has 3 scholarships to work with! I am amazed at the level of winning JD maintains. Many of us cast about the title of Top 20 basketball program at Pitt. Glad you feel that way but prior to Howland/Dixon you would have qualified for Western psych saying that re: Pitt men’s BB! If it wasn’t for Jamie and our Top flight program we are NOT in the ACC! H2P! UPone

Comment by UPone 06.01.13 @ 3:09 pm

Spending time in Top 20 due to powderpuff non-conf and ending Top 20 are 2 different things.
They weren’t in Top 20 near end of last season and ended in CBI. They weren’t in Top 20 before NCAA and were knocked out 1st round.

Comment by Pitt.Dan83 06.01.13 @ 3:10 pm

Not to derail, but did anyone notice that Steve Adams is now listed at #12 in the ESPN top 100 draft list?

Back to topic, I do wonder about the message Dixon drills into his teams. Remember the post game interview with Woodall where he used the word “selfish” about a thousand times?

One thing Pitt has been very good at is not being selfish under Dixon and I love that type of ball. But maybe what some are saying is that we need to attract THAT type of player with the talent to be selfish and successful and feed the selfishness.

Or maybe Woodall just needed that message drilled into him as evidenced by the WSU game.

I like Dixon and look forward to the next 2 or 3 years in the ACC, but I too am getting to the point of not being satisfied with early exits.

Next year will be interesting and if we are successful, Dixon will deserve a ton of credit. If not, I think we will learn a lot in the next couple of years to decide whether the contract extension was too much and too soon given.

Comment by TVax 06.01.13 @ 3:12 pm

Not sure on Robinson. At start of season I thought we has something, but as year went on and we hit BE schedule, I think a lot of weakness showed up.
Granted he was a fresh, but the speed of te ACC game might leave him in the dust.

We also will see how good a coach JD is this year. Unless the new arrivals are for real it is going to be a long season. Young just may be the real deal and that could save things.

Comment by Jimbo 06.01.13 @ 3:14 pm

PittDan83, all due respect, when does whatever happens at Green Tree ever matter come NCAA time where defense is actually played?

Comment by wbb 06.01.13 @ 3:18 pm

Hey Pitt.Dan83

you don’t think you’re fooling anyone pretending to not be Joe D, do you?

Comment by Gordo 06.01.13 @ 3:21 pm

upone and spirit i hope you take take this in the
spirit that it is given i mean nothing bad
with this statement but you two are the largest
kool aid drinkers on here.
and i hope you two are right abought pitt BB but i
think we are in for a bad year.

Comment by FRANKCAN 06.01.13 @ 3:21 pm

Wbb you are right D must be played but it would be nice to have more offence to go with it.
we need both yes.

Comment by FRANKCAN 06.01.13 @ 3:26 pm

Gordo, Please don’t insult me.

Comment by Pitt.Dan83 06.01.13 @ 3:36 pm

pitt steelers ot adams stabed in robbery on south side
i dont belive it who robs a 6 foot 6 330 pound
ot with a knife.
you got to be nuts to try that there are easyer
what do you think a fight when you are drunk
just saying who robs a man that big.

Comment by FRANKCAN 06.01.13 @ 3:47 pm

FRANKCAM, I believe these guys were trying to steal his truck in front of his house, and he came out to try to stoph im.

Comment by wbb 06.01.13 @ 3:52 pm

FANKCAM, I stand corrected. I read an earlier posting about 2 hrs ago that he was a south side resident and kind of implied that it was in his neighborhood. This latest posting has more info

link to

Comment by wbb 06.01.13 @ 3:56 pm

Wbb they found him at cambod ican kitchen.
my be it was a car jacking but i am sure that there were easyer people to take a car from.
just saying if you are a pro or college player
you are only asking for trouble when you are out after the bars close on south side.

are not the steelers doing workouts now he should have been home in bed.

Comment by FRANKCAN 06.01.13 @ 4:07 pm

Story updated here. It was at 3am at 17th and Carson. Someone said that is where drug dealers and prostitutes hangout. Is that true?

link to

Comment by Pitt.Dan83 06.01.13 @ 4:29 pm

if memory seves, it’s also a place where you can buy (hopefully) chicken kabobs at a very reasonable price in the wee hours

Comment by wbb 06.01.13 @ 4:38 pm

but i think he had a joint problem the smoking kind
that was why he all most wasent drafted bye them

i guess i am just thinking the worse things but
still i wonder go home to bed bye 1 am then
things should be ok.

Comment by FRANKCAN 06.01.13 @ 4:50 pm

Winovich to Michigan.

Comment by marcus of schaumburg 06.01.13 @ 5:02 pm

he tested positive for marijuana while in college but the Steelers drafted him anyway, andhe was the Steelers rookie of the year last year. It appears that he was just prtecting his property here, but then again as the saying goes, ‘nothing good happens after midnight’ (unless you’re at Primanti’s on Smallman of course)

Comment by wbb 06.01.13 @ 5:10 pm

pitt football recruiting last year on may 31
2012 we had 4 football recruits.
this year we have 1 so not only are we behind
every one in recruiting for football this year
but we are behind what we had last year at this time
in recruiting i hope things get better i am just a worry wort i guess.

Comment by FRANKCAN 06.01.13 @ 5:12 pm

i know it is just the start and it is how you finish that counts but so far 73 outher schools
have better football recruiting class then ours.

just saying ok.

Comment by FRANKCAN 06.01.13 @ 5:37 pm

The rich get richer. Michigan’s ’14 class is alreay rated as No.1 according to at least on recruiting service

Comment by wbb 06.01.13 @ 5:46 pm

football recruiting Pitt
Brock Ruble
Brock Boxen
if pitt does not get 2 of thoes 4 then i say are recruiting class will suck we need at least 2 of them any thing less and chryst should go just how i think just me but we need at least 2 of them before i will say we did well this year.

Comment by FRANKCAN 06.01.13 @ 5:54 pm

Even with all our problems, I still think we finish in the Top half of the ACC.

Tony Bennett brought in a Pitt style offense to Virginia and they immediately are one of the better teams of the ACC. And UVA had far less talent and recent history than PITT.

ACC scoring totals have been way down the last two years and are more like BigEast games now than ever. Other than UNC & Duke the other schools should be quite beatable.

Again if I didn’t imply this is my last post, Dixon’s biggest strength is getting his team to outwork the opposing teams. While this works in the regular season (as some of the elite teams take night’s off), all the teams play hard come tournament time. And when both teams play hard defensively, our lack of offense usually costs us the game.

The one year we had two viable threats of the 3 forward positions (Young & Blair) quite naturally got us our farthest in The Dance.

So while the system will produce a 20-25 win regular seasons, as always you need the studs when push comes to shove.


Comment by EMel 06.01.13 @ 5:55 pm

EMel hi bud do you think we need at least 2 of the 4 linemen i listed to have a good year in football

Comment by FRANKCAN 06.01.13 @ 6:05 pm

EMel you think dixon can do that with just 9 players
a 20 to 25 win season.

Comment by FRANKCAN 06.01.13 @ 6:08 pm

I’m much more concerned with PITT football than PITT basketball entering the ACC.

While the ACC isn’t the SEC, they do have lots of speed in the ACC at the skill positions and Defensive back, Safety’s and LB’s and they almost produce as many NFL pro’s as the SEC.

The best PITT team since 1983 was the 2009 PITT team that went 10-3 with Dion & Jon Baldwin & Bill Stull. If one remembers, one of those 3 losses was to a below average(middling) NC State team (5-7, 2-6 in ACC). And to get our 10th win in the Bowl game we had to pull out the win in the last minute against another average ACC team, that being North Carolina (8-5, 4-4 in ACC).

While Pitt could run the ball, both of those ACC teams had much more overall team speed than us.
And again they were average or below average ACC teams that year.

JD has shown he will get his team to play very hard for him and outwork the other teams. We don’t know yet if PC has that ability. Last year they did not, as they didn’t show up for YSU, Cincy, Cuse, UConn & Ole Miss.

Anyway, enjoy Saturday nite brothers !

Comment by EMel 06.01.13 @ 6:18 pm

Yes Frankcan,

We only had 10 players this past season and the BigEast (basketball) was far better than the ACC.

Of course scouting the opposition, (which will be all new) will be a key.

Comment by EMel 06.01.13 @ 6:20 pm

Yes we should get Grimm and at least one of the other top linemen.

Although if we don’t, Bisnowaty is only a Redshirt freshman and the kid from Belle Vernon is only a true freshman as well.

If we land 1 or 2 of the studs we could have an early 1980’s type O-line, which was one of college football’s greatest.

Let’s hope !

Veritas et Virtus !

Comment by EMel 06.01.13 @ 6:24 pm

dockish is bashing chryst on his receuiting or should i say lack of on his tweets site.
pitt has no sales men etc etc.
i guess he has not got it yet pitt offers you come or you dont pitt wont try to sell you.
dockish wont understand that and he is going a little nuts on his site becuse chryst lets kids get away that are in his back yard.

Comment by FRANKCAN 06.01.13 @ 6:49 pm

When was the last time a top kid from TJ didn’t select Pitt since Cherpak was HC?
This was after Apke of Lebo selected PSU. His former HS coach, Haering, couldn’t land him.
It should be reason for concern.

Comment by Pitt.Dan83 06.01.13 @ 7:26 pm

pittDan83 dockish is down on chryst
but dockish does not undestand chryst does not recruit he just offers and if you want to come youcome if not do what is best for you.
chryst does not sell pitt or recruit players the way outher coachs do dockish does not under stand that or if he does he dont like it and says so.

Comment by FRANKCAN 06.01.13 @ 7:39 pm

I enjoy a good stiff glass of kool-aide from time to time FRANK, hey I’m a Pitt fan. All the prognostication aside, how exactly does everyone think that the Panthers became a member of the ACC? The single most important athletic action that has happened to us since maybe the 1976 NC! What were the factors? Okay we maybe had friends @ ESPN, that Pitt is a fabulous research univ. (member of the 62 member AAU), Pittsburgh is sports crazy and has a decent television footprint. I can swallow all that, but really it was Pitt’s recent men’s BB history led by a reputable man on track to be one of the best coaches in college BB history. U, me, we owe Jamie Dixon BIG TIME! Why else would Coach K, Roy Williams and the like be in our corner? UPone

Comment by UPone 06.01.13 @ 7:47 pm

upone me to most times belive it or not.
but i just dont see that he has the players this year.
but EMel thinks he does so i guess i am wrong
but we will see wont we.

Comment by FRANKCAN 06.01.13 @ 8:04 pm

Upone, Pitt is in the ACC because of football which generates the TV money. BB was simply a small bonus.

Comment by RayHpgh 06.01.13 @ 8:15 pm

PENN STATE just signed there 10 player .
we have one dockish might be right chryst is a bad recruiter per dockish i might jump on that band wagon my self if he does not do some recruiting soon
come on chryst your way better start working before every one goes some were else.

Comment by FRANKCAN 06.01.13 @ 9:02 pm

Winovich to Michigan and McKenzie isn’t coming to Pitt so there is 2 more gone. Everyone closing except the cheese farmer with no coaches with South Florida ties.

Comment by Upittbaseball 06.01.13 @ 9:10 pm

Summarize the difference in football in the SEC and Pitt. My buddybhas a middle schooler. He sent an email and film to the following schools.

He received an email correspondence back acknowledging the email and film from UGA and Auburn. They invited him to have son attend summer camp. No response from Pitt or Gtech. Not even a form email response.

Clearly both UGA and Auburn (SEC) understand the value of building a relationship and following up on any and all leads. At worst they get camp money. At best they build an relationship with a future recruit.

Two different approaches (SEC vs ACC) and we wonder why the SEC schools are dominate in football? The are more organized in an early stage in a football players development (recruiting)

Comment by Pitt Fan in Atlanta 06.01.13 @ 9:26 pm

penn state is selling there football program
chryst seams to sell nothing while trying to be forest gump.

Comment by FRANKCAN 06.01.13 @ 9:35 pm

what chryst needs is a LT DAN to play next to his forest gump.
then maybe he could recruit or some one could.

Comment by FRANKCAN 06.01.13 @ 9:41 pm

I think Justin’s next blog posting should be “NvP” – Neutrality vs Pessimism

Comment by wbb 06.01.13 @ 9:42 pm

Damn that Gorgon Lee at OSU is like that relative that we all have that can’t keep any of the family secrets.

Here are his comments in regard to why PITT will not be added to the B10

“You know Penn State just abhors Pitt. It would be the same way. Even though we love Cincinnati as a city, we want it to be an Ohio State city. They’d have to take Gene out and shoot him to let Cincinnati into the Big Ten. There are some things that we just would not to. And that’s the way that Penn State also feels about Pitt.”

link to

That guys has loose lips for sure.

BTW – Piss on Penn State!

Comment by Pitt Fan in Atlanta 06.01.13 @ 9:44 pm

It has not been a good week for me so I have avoided stepping into the fray.

An avid ACC BBall fan for 32 years, I can tell you Pitt will not win 12 league games this year with this team. If JD wins more, we should start building the statue of him to put in front of the Pete.

Bad week end for Pittsburgh Sports also. Pirates have not scored in 22 innings and are showing Cinncy they are still the patsies of old.

Pens have fallen apart in front of a superior Boston defensive team. Why Blysma is not playing Vitale is a mystery as we are losing 2 of every 3 face offs. If we keep playing like this the series will not go more than 5 games. Boston goalie has thoroughly outplayed Volkune. Oh well, it’ s only a game….exept if you are a Pitt fan and then every game becomes a life and death situation. Many times, I have wished I could just be a normal fan. Oh well…peace out!

Peace to all you Blather bloggers our there! Remember although we disagree, we are all die hard riciculous Pitt Fans.

Comment by Dan 72 06.01.13 @ 9:49 pm

Hey….some good news…Smizek is on vacation for 10 days. Bad news (for me) he’s in Maryland@

Comment by Dan 72 06.01.13 @ 9:50 pm

pitt fan in atlanta but with all the shit that is
happening there they are still out recruiting us in football.that is becuse chryst does not recruit he offers.

Comment by FRANKCAN 06.01.13 @ 9:51 pm

DAN72 PEACE TO YOU BROTHER glad you mixed in on the BB that is what i said bottom half of ACC.
glad to hear from you.

Comment by FRANKCAN 06.01.13 @ 9:55 pm

wbb, Justins next story/analysis should be “How Just Offer doesn’t work in college football recruiting”.

Comment by Pitt.Dan83 06.01.13 @ 10:00 pm

@Pitt fan in Atlanta. Absolutely. Goes with business as well.

I was taught, and have taught my people, we chase down any and every lead.

Even if you know you’re not even gonna come close to getting a sale.

Say hello. Introduce yourself. Let them know who you are. Who knows, they have friends, they have relatives they know people.

Might not get you a sale that day. Maybe a year from now, two years. That’s how you build a clinetele. How you build a busniess.

Same thing in recruiting. Send a letter, make a call. Maybe you can’t use him, but you do things first class, so even if you don’t get the recruit, you’re talked about as being a first class organization.

I don’t get that at all. Anyone that takes enough time to send Pitt a tape, should get at least a phone call and letter.

Hey, that’s me though.

Comment by Dan 06.01.13 @ 10:07 pm

You might have hit the nail on the head. Who recruits and who offers?

Comment by Pitt Fan in Atlanta 06.01.13 @ 10:08 pm

pittDan83 last year i read someting joe joe kemp
said the RB that went some were else.
he said chryst said to him you have a offer to come to pitt and we would like to have you but you have to do what is best for you if that means going some were else so be it.
and he did go some were else.
that would not get you a passing grade in the
rick pitino class on recruiting that is for sure.

Comment by FRANKCAN 06.01.13 @ 10:21 pm

2 comments I have for Orville Reddenbacher at Ohio St are:

– How’s that Rutgers thing working out so far for the B1G?
– Maybe Tressel should have fired you

Comment by wbb 06.01.13 @ 10:31 pm

as you read what jo jo kemp said you think that chryst is a really nice man a good guy yes.
well i dont want a really nice guy i want a top notch recruiter a go getter who can get a kid to come to pitt i want a coach that wins football games

you know what they say abought nice guys they
finsh last.

so knock off the forest gump act and get busy

Comment by FRANKCAN 06.01.13 @ 10:35 pm

Frank, Here is what gets me. Rivals and Scout were practically tracking Winovich’s every move. After Winovich announced, not a peep.

Comment by Pitt.Dan83 06.02.13 @ 6:54 am

While I am generally an optimist, this off season has been a real test and certainly has given the pessimists the upper hand.

While getting Slice back may help, times have changed, will New York kids be interested in the ACC, probably. However, expectations are much higher here than they were in Slices first stay.

Something more than bad luck is going on with Pitt BBall, JJ transferring makes absolutely no sense at all, considering the lack of depth and stars on this team.

I think we will be bottom feeders this year and don’t see the NCAA’s in our future for a while.

I am not as down on Pitt Football. I think we have enough to be competitive this year. While not as obsessed as Frankcan, I agree that recruiting is a major concern. You can’t win without great players.

Great head coaches surround themselves with up and comers. Guys that have skills to offset their weaknesses and supplement their needs.

Jamie made an effort to get a recruiter. He still needs someone to help with player development. It’s been a while since a player has shown dramatic improvement ala Wannamaker or McGee.

I’ll give Chryst a chance to clean house, but like Frankcan, I am concerned about the philosophy. I remember stories about recruiters sleeping on Tony D’s front porch.

Unfortunately the superstars have egos, a simple offer won’t get it done. We are not Alabama in football or Duke in BBall, kids don’t grow up dreaming of playing for Pitt.

Salesmen that sit by the phone waiting for it to ring with an order don’t last long.

Go sit on someones porch.

Comment by gc 06.02.13 @ 9:39 am

The simple truth with Pitt is that the bar is set low. You can argue with me, but when I ask for facts, someone had better come up with something to support their argument that Pitt seeks nothing more than mediocrity.
I wont hold my breath waiting for the counter argument.
Gee is an idiot/genuius with an incredible love of hearing himself talk.
But, PSU does abhor Pitt.
Glad to hear confirmation of that….

Comment by sfpitt 06.02.13 @ 9:58 am

Obviously recruits recruit other recruits. If Pitt can just get a couple more recruits they can get together to get others. That is why getting a few early ones is so important.

Other schools are reaping the benefits of having this advantage.

Comment by Frank MD 06.02.13 @ 9:58 am

this is bad when you grow up in pitts back yard and
your father played at pitt and you go to penn state
this is bad when you grow up in pitts back yard
and your high school coach coachs at pitt and you go to a big 10 school.
this is bad when you are behind 71 outher schools in recruiting

Comment by FRANKCAN 06.02.13 @ 10:19 am

Frank, If you had to advise say the top 5-10 wpial recruits on where to go to college.
Would you really say Pitt over some of their other choices?? The only thing you have to sell is playing time.

These select few kids are eying the NFL!! How many Pitt players got drafted this year? How many invited to combine? Look at the assistant coaches on the defensive side of the ball. How can you tell them to select Pitt with a straight face?

Comment by Pitt.Dan83 06.02.13 @ 10:29 am

pittDan83 that is not the point the point is chryst
or pitt needs to sell them om pitt. recruit them to pitt make them want to come and that is what dockish is all mad abought chryst is not doeing it.

Comment by FRANKCAN 06.02.13 @ 10:36 am


Comment by panther94 06.02.13 @ 10:39 am

Chryst selected his defensive coaches.
No top recruit will come to Pitt on the defensive side of the ball.
But yes, I get your point about Chyrst recruiting tactics are not working, but it is more than that.

Comment by Pitt.Dan83 06.02.13 @ 10:42 am

Chryst cheese Farm will open in 2015. How a HC doesn’t hire a coach with South Florida ties is moronic. I hope I’m wrong but Chryst will be let go at the end of 2015 unless Pederson extends his contract another 10 years. Which as much of an idiot Pederson is it might happen!

Comment by Upittbaseball 06.02.13 @ 11:17 am

Our coach completed one year and some bloggers are driving a moving van in front of his house. Lets give coach Chryst a chance of at least two more years before we cast aspersions.

Hail to Pitt!

Comment by MariettaMike 06.02.13 @ 3:58 pm

Marietta, agree, and if Pitt gets 7 or 8 wins, all wil be forgotten

Comment by wbb 06.02.13 @ 5:07 pm

Bunch of Debbie downers as usual.

Emel said it right earlier. Jamie Dixon has his team ready to outwork most opponents during the regular season and secure wins. The problem arises in the tournament when all the teams want to work hard for the entire game. At that point, talent and coaching wins out. That is why Pitt doesn’t go far. Would be nice to have Pitt play a full court press once they get into the tourney. Turn it up a notch, if you will. Either that or start getting 4 and 5 stars in here and let them run all year as that is “fun” for players. Would be good for recruiting in the future.

As far as Paul Chryst and recruiting is concerned. I am fine with his approach. He has a 5 year plan. Clean house year one and two. Get player’s that want to be here. Pitt football needs a foundation, not quick fixes (no heroin pun intended). Let the foundation be built, get rid of the druggies, the primadonna’s, and the drama and get back to football. Year three, make the push. The entire blather community and dokish have no other option. Complain, complain, complain. Not going to matter. The decision maker makes the rules and it ain’t us!

Comment by dhuffdaddy 06.02.13 @ 5:15 pm

The fact that the recent number of departures from Pitt BB shows that Jamie Dixon & Company did not recruit the right young men for the program.

Paul Chryst and his staff need more time to prove that they can make Pitt a competitive FB team. Wannstedt won 10 games in 2009, which was his fifth year as head coach.

Dan 72, as for the Penguins, one game does not make a seven game series. The Pens had their chances to score and did not convert. It happens.
The Bucs came back from a 4-0 hole and won in 11 today.

Finally, G. Gordon Gee is an absolute jackass. He can take the Ohio State University and the Big 14 and their network and shove it all up his ass – or I will do it for him.

As a daily Mass going Catholic,I would not consider Notre Dame to be a Catholic institution.
Pitt’s former Big East members deserve the same consideration. Seeing that Notre Dame did not want to deal with the likes of Gee, it’s easy to see why the never joined the Big Greedy Conference. Gee made some snide comments about the Polish Army. Gee is too chickenshit of a man to know that the Polish Army also landed on the beaches at Normandy, helped to close the Falaise Gap and it was to the Polish Army that the Germans surrendered to at Monte Cassino. Nor would I expect Gee to know what John Sobieski and the Polish Hussars did at Vienna in September 1683.

Given that tOSU had its basket weaving and fingerpainting degrees when Woody Hayes coached there, pulled shenanigans when Tressel coached there and has long played creampuffs in the Ancient Horseshoe to build up wins, I vow never to allow my sons to go to OSU except to spit on the sidewalk in front of the residence of the school president. OSU sucks.

Comment by Penguins Fan 06.02.13 @ 5:30 pm

Bucs win Bucs win !

Reds do NOT get the Sweep.

Big 2 runhomer to tie in the 8th by Garret Jones.

And the clutch game winning hit by Travis Snyder in the bottom of the 11th to win it .

Pirates are leading the NL in batting in the last 3 innings of a game at .265.

Strange they are 3rd from last at .229 thru the first 6 innings of a game. If they can clean that up some, they could become dominate.

They are 3rd & 2nd from top in pitching in same categories.

@dhuffdaddy…thanks bro. It should be obvious to see that our success in the regular season is due to JD getting PITT to play harder (outwork) the other team. And that only gets you so far, when the other teams (with better talent) turn it up a notch come tournament time. I like your suggestion of doing something different come tourney time. Full court press would be nice, or some gimmick defenses. You need to give these teams something different come tourney time, rather than what they’re expecting. The Wichita State asst. coach wasn’t concerned or worried at all about playing PITT and he expressed that to his boss Greg Marshall.

PITT is too predictable on defense and much to easy to defend on offense. Perhaps Slice will give JD some new sets or ideas on both offense and defense. You don’t have to junk the old system, just tweak it a bit. Again our biggest asset is the ability to play hard. Now if we can find some really talented players or at least 2 or 3 that can, when needed, create their own shot and take over a game. We could get to the next level !

Comment by EMel 06.02.13 @ 5:43 pm

Don’t understand the concern about the transfers. We are just Sabanizing our basketball program. How do you think old Nick keeps the football arsenal fully loaded? Oh a few of those recruited kids in the air we are juggling turns out to be duds, out the door. If you disagree then please tell me which one of those transfers do you want back and why? Those NYC/jersey recruits will want ACC action beginning with Cuse and choices 1a- Pitt, bc and lville. Don’t think they will line up for the johnnies and buttgers to play smu and ecu. H2P- UPone

Comment by UPone 06.02.13 @ 5:50 pm

Oh the Penguins loss was predictable.

Due to the long long layoff.

They will come back strong next game !

Comment by EMel 06.02.13 @ 5:51 pm

Dhuffdaddy…good to hear some reality with a dose of optimism. I was feeling a little beat down.

Comment by panther94 06.02.13 @ 5:54 pm

Upone, I’d like to see Gilbert and/or Birch back. We need C/PF types as there is no depth. Playing a SF at PF is not an option in Dixon system. Dixon doesn’t know how to play small (playing small means fast pace)

Comment by Pitt.Dan83 06.02.13 @ 6:07 pm

The Big East has been consistently superior to the ACC for the last decade. Why do I keep reading things like “can they compete in the ACC?” Crazy talk.

How can anybody that watches college football not understand how a kid would choose Michigan over Pitt? They have 100k fans for every game and Pitt has 25k to 35k. If it were me, I’d take the full college football experience everyday of the week.

Pitt football will never be much more than mediocre. The glory days are gone.

Comment by denny 06.02.13 @ 6:23 pm

@ Penguins Fan

Great insert about the fighting spirit of the Poles.
Gee is such an ass, using Polish jokes that were in vogue (if you will) back in the 1970’s. The fact this jackass is involved in ‘higher learning’ is an indictment of the American secondary education system.

Oh and don’t forget about the great Pole, arguably the 3rd most important man in the American Revolution. That being Count Casimir Pulaski, the ‘Father of the American Calvary’.

link to

Today’s history lesson ! lol

Comment by EMel 06.02.13 @ 6:24 pm

@ denny

just a few short years ago (2009) Pitt finished ranked #15 in the country and was a high as #7 or #8 in late November that year.

That is far better than mediocre. The last two years were mediocre at 6-6.

We were on the right track back in 2008, 2009 and even 2010. But we had our locomotive (DW) pulled off the track with no plan in place as to who would be the new locomotive. And then we also had the little engine, that never could. Which would be hard for ANY program to overcome !~!!

I do agree with you about being able to compete in ACC basketball. Chas wrote a post the other week about just how few ACC teams have gotten NCAA bids the last several years.

This isn’t your father’s ACC basketball league.

2013 Standings

Atlantic Coast Conf All

Miami (FL) (5) 15-3 29-7
Duke (6) 14-4 30-6
North Carolina 12-6 25-11
N.C. State 11-7 24-11
Virginia 11-7 23-12
Florida St. 9-9 18-16
Maryland 8-10 25-13
Boston Coll. 7-11 16-17
Georgia Tech 6-12 16-15
Wake Forest 6-12 13-18
Clemson 5-13 13-18
Virginia Tech 4-14 13-19

UVA plays a very similar plodding offensive style as Pitt with hardnosed defense.

Yes we can finish in the Top half of this conf.
Without a doubt.

Comment by EMel 06.02.13 @ 6:37 pm

That didn’t come out too good !

Atlantic Coast Conf All

Miami (FL) (5) 15-3 29-7
Duke (6) 14-4 30-6
North Carolina 12-6 25-11
N.C. State 11-7 24-11
Virginia 11-7 23-12
Florida St. 9-9 18-16
Maryland 8-10 25-13
Boston Coll. 7-11 16-17
Georgia Tech 6-12 16-15
Wake Forest 6-12 13-18
Clemson 5-13 13-18
Virginia Tech 4-14 13-19

Comment by EMel 06.02.13 @ 6:39 pm

Pitt will be better than Va TEch, Clemson, Wake, GT, BC, UVA, Miami and possibly both MD and FSU, as well as NC State.

The latter three might have better players than us but they won’t outwork PITT.

I would think we would be there in about 4rth thru 6th place, as Syracuse is losing several of their key players like Michael Carter-Williams and Howard Triche and Pitt killer James Sutherland.

Only Duke & UNC will really outclass us in terms of elite players. We’ve already proven we can beat these teams like Syracuse & Uconn who consistently have much better talent than us over the last 13 years.

And Pitt has been pretty good beating the teams you’re supposed to beat. So that would include 75% of the teams of the current ACC.

Comment by EMel 06.02.13 @ 6:49 pm

• 3:07: “And I want to make it very clear, we have never invited Notre Dame to join the Big Ten. And the reason is the fact that they — first of all they’re not very good partners. I’ll just say that. I negotiated with them during my first term and the fathers are holy on Sunday and they’re holy hell on the rest of the week. You just can’t trust those damn Catholics on a Thursday or Friday. Literally, I can say that.”

What a bigoted remark by this bigot.

This farce needs drummed out of the University system ALLTOGETHER !!

Comment by EMel 06.02.13 @ 7:15 pm

• 11:03: “You know Penn State just abhors Pitt. It would be the same way. Even though we love Cincinnati as a city, we want it to be an Ohio State city. They’d have to take Gene out and shoot him to let Cincinnati into the Big Ten. There are some things that we just would not to. And that’s the way that Penn State also feels about Pitt.”

This flys in the face of the rhetoric that has come out of Creepy Valley these last 13 years doesn’t it.

That they just don’t care about PITT. Well they care enough to block us from the Big 10.

Comment by EMel 06.02.13 @ 7:22 pm

Maverick Rowan chooses Pitt! Nice to have a white boy with skills.

Comment by Upittbaseball 06.02.13 @ 7:38 pm

What year will he graduate??? It is my understanding he is a freshman but repeated 8th grade and may have even started kindergarten late. In other words, he should be in 11th grade but he is in 9th grade.

Comment by Pitt.Dan83 06.02.13 @ 8:02 pm

What are you implying Pitt.Dan? That he should attend WVCC?

Comment by marcus of schaumburg 06.02.13 @ 8:05 pm

’16 I believe..

Comment by Upittbaseball 06.02.13 @ 8:11 pm

Its the thing some kids do to get an advantage in basketball, they will repeat 8th grade. Micah Mason did the same.
Rowan went to 8th grade in Hopewell then homeschooled 8th grade as a repeat then went to Lincoln Park for 9th grade. He will be a sophmore this upcoming school year.

So, he may be able to “reclassify” to a junior next season meaning 2015 graduate.

Comment by Pitt.Dan83 06.02.13 @ 8:21 pm

EMel 9 times out of 10 i think you are right
but not this time .
you said only duke and unc will outclass us in terms
of elite players.
unc state last 2 recruiting classes 2 players who are 5 star 4 players who are 4 star and the 3 star
is the player pitt wanted PF FREEMAN 6 FOOT 9.

wa dont have any thing near as good as that.

Comment by FRANKCAN 06.02.13 @ 8:39 pm

Where is the Rowan commitment being reported?

Comment by marcus of schaumburg 06.02.13 @ 8:50 pm

Florida st last 2 classes 4 players who are 4 star
plus 3 star players like we got.
Georgia tec last 2 classes 3 players who are 4 star
plus 3 star players like pitt got.
who on pitt is a elite player besides robinson
and may be young no one.

Comment by FRANKCAN 06.02.13 @ 9:07 pm

Never fear Frankie.

JD’s slick back do is worth 10 points a game.

(uchebo was a 4 star coming out of HS)

(and like I said we will outwork the FSU’s and NCSU’s)

Comment by EMel 06.02.13 @ 9:12 pm

Rowan is 16 and should be in at least 10th grade. There is talk of him reclassifying eventually. He may also go to a prep school outside of the state to develop.

Comment by Mac 06.02.13 @ 9:14 pm

EMel i guess you missed this post the minnesota doctor who looked at uchebo knee said he wont play this year.

Comment by FRANKCAN 06.02.13 @ 9:32 pm

Frankcan, What did the Pitt docs say?

Comment by panther94 06.02.13 @ 9:45 pm

panther94 good to hear from you every thing ok.
i dont know what pitt doc said i post what i find
what i dont find i cant post.

i do it so we have things to talk abought dont
know if it is fair but better then being board .

chris dockish just took a new shot at chryst
and football recruiting or should i say lack of
it was funny .

Comment by FRANKCAN 06.02.13 @ 10:02 pm

panther94 you may think dockish is being un fair
but check this out he sees this kind of thing

chryst offered 9 OLB 5 of them have commited to outher schools 2 of them were in are back yard so to speak.
of the 4 that are left 2 players are 4 stars
he wont get them.
why becuse of the way he recruits or does not recruit and dockish sees this and it drives him mad.

Comment by FRANKCAN 06.02.13 @ 10:24 pm

Missed the Doc report on Uchebo. Isn’t Little Ricky Ricky the new coach at Minnesota ?

And he would never (just like the old man) readily admit to losing a recruit to JD & PITT.

Perhaps it’s a cover story for Little Ricky Ricky losing a recruit.

For I can’t find anything about it on the web.

Never put anything past a Pitino !

Comment by EMel 06.02.13 @ 10:46 pm

Pitt doctors cleared Uchebo or we wouldn’t have offered.

He better be playing or we’re going to be stuck with disappearing Talib at Center.

Maybe the change of conf’s will help Zanna. Couldn’t hurt right ?

I seem to remember Zanna having a ‘breakout’ game against Maryland at MSG a few years ago.

Comment by EMel 06.02.13 @ 10:50 pm

As far as PC, I thought we all knew coming into this era that PC isn’t a great recruiter.

And Wisconsin wasn’t exactly loaded with star recruits the last 6-7 years.

In fact Chas had a lengthy post on the fact that Pitt had better (and in some instances much better) recruiting classes, yet Wisconsin had the far better record.

PC’s strength and Joe Rudolph as well, is supposed to be the ability to coach up the 2’s to play like 3’s and the 3’s to play like 4’s. And according to some, his ability to find players who will (hate to say this), fit his system.

So whether he can recruit top players or not, he’s going to be here for at least, at a minimum, another few years.

Hopefully his ‘in game’ decision making ability will vastly improve this year as well.

But hey it’s got to get better, since The Little Engine that couldn’t is gone. Am I right ? lol

Comment by EMel 06.02.13 @ 10:57 pm

Btw, that doesn’t mean I wish we didn’t have a more aggressive type guy as HC.

But it is….what it is.

Some wouldn’t like a guy that was as well.

Just win baby !

Comment by EMel 06.02.13 @ 11:08 pm

For all you Pitt BB and FBI naysayers, I attended Steelers games at Pitt stadium when they could not beat the Sisters of Charity. Let’s be true Pitt supporters and believe that our coaches know how to coach. Winning will come. Maybe winning another FBI national championship is not in our future but as long as Pitt maintains its academic standards and is competetive we should be happy.

I’m also a GA Tech alum and us Tekoids have some gripes but we support our teams. H2P

Comment by MariettaMike 06.03.13 @ 1:47 am

Correction: FBI is FB. Darn iPhone…

Comment by MariettaMike 06.03.13 @ 3:17 am

Forget about my time stamp, I’m in London.

Comment by MariettaMike 06.03.13 @ 3:18 am

Paul Chryst and Jamie Dixon are doing their best to save the university money by doing very little recruiting. Chryst being plain boring and Dixon’s boring style of play is really helping Pitt’s bottom line. Smiley is hiding in his office. Nordy is home reading a good book. Go Pitt!

Comment by Wayne 06.03.13 @ 6:06 am

Who says JD doesn’t recruit (1) Western Pa or (2) pure outside shooters?

link to

Comment by wbb 06.03.13 @ 6:14 am

We’ll see if Rowan sticks. Pryor and Pope committed to Pitt in 10th grade also.
His Dad was a transfer 30+ years ago when it was rare for a kid to transfer.
The kid will be 17 in July meaning he should be going to 12th grade instead of 10th grade.
It wouldn’t surprise me if Ron Rowan uses his son to get a coaching position somewhere.

Comment by Pitt.Dan83 06.03.13 @ 6:20 am

@Penguins Fan
I’m with you. ND is certainly NOT a Catholic School. Not close.

Comment by sfpitt 06.03.13 @ 6:56 am

PittDan83, If I was an oddsmaker, I would make the odds 4 to 3 of him ever attending Pitt, and 20 to 1 that he plays at least 3 years.

Nonetheless, I would like to see it happen …. and if nothing else, this is something to talk about in a dead news period.

BTW, I have friends (whom I haven’t seen in a while) who are good friends with his dad or at least were.) I actually played in a pickup game with him back in circa 94 … kept feeing him the ball and we won as I recall (rocket science)

Comment by wbb 06.03.13 @ 7:34 am

Pitt.Dan83- don’t speak for women because you don’t have a clue.

Comment by nw pa pitt fan 06.03.13 @ 12:54 pm

Is ralph willard looking for a job? We can bring him back, oh yeah!!! Paul Evans?

Comment by Native Washingtonian 06.06.13 @ 3:20 pm

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