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May 21, 2013

Kane But Not Able

Filed under: Basketball,Recruiting,Transfer — Chas @ 6:03 am

Dammit, I’m going to shoe-horn in the bad puns while I still can.

The formality that was supposed to be DeAndre Kane’s transfer to Pitt for as a graduate transfer, now is not.

However, the 6-foot-4 guard, a Pittsburgh native, did not wind up pulling the trigger, whether it was due to the fact that Panthers coach Jamie Dixon was non-committal about taking him at the time, or whether Kane just wasn’t enamored with the visit.

Now Kane told CBSSports.com that he is still open, with both Pittsburgh still under consideration and Memphis also in pursuit.

From my own perspective, I’m not exactly broken up by the possibility that Kane may not be coming to Pitt.

The thing everyone wants to know is why. Did Kane not hear the sweet nothings of assurances of how much he will be featured? Was it that Dixon started to review what went down in Huntington, WV and get a little nervous. Did Memphis make a really strong push that made Kane reconsider? Some of this? All of this? None of this?

The one thing that doesn’t add up with Memphis are the minutes. Memphis has a deep and experienced backcourt in place for the upcoming season. Kane would not be a lock to average big minutes with the Tigers. Pitt has bodies in the backcourt but not a lot of experience. Especially with J.J. Moore’s ever-impending departure. Kane seems a lock to get more minutes at Pitt compared to Memphis. That is unless Pitt is the one that started having second thoughts about Kane rather than the other way around.

It is somewhat amusing that the first school he visited and rejected was USC. Now his top two choices are playing for two coaches that got nice salary raises and extensions from USC’s interest in Josh Pastner and Jamie Dixon. And the circle of life continues.





Chas, behave. Stop raising Kane.

Comment by steve1 05.21.13 @ 6:15 am

I never thought Kane was a good fit for Pitt.
I looked at it from the perspective of Dixon adding a body for practice.
However, Kane could cause problems in the locker room if he is not getting his minutes, etc.
Jeter is a better fit albeit he is a SF.

Comment by Pitt.Dan83 05.21.13 @ 6:42 am

Would Marshall let Kane go to another CUSA team?

Comment by Dub 05.21.13 @ 7:23 am

I think once he graduates, with one more year of eligibility, he could go to any other scholol and that Marshall would have no power to stop him.

Comment by PetePitt73 05.21.13 @ 7:39 am

Is Memphis going to be a “new big east” team next year? I forgot amid all the reconstruction…

Comment by JW 05.21.13 @ 8:34 am

IMHO, he is Dixon’s fall back. I suspect (but have no inside info) he has been put on-hold until things play out on the recruitment of Trevor Lacey.

Comment by pitt1972 05.21.13 @ 9:14 am

@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

Lets defer to the coach on this one. He
knows this guy very well.

Comment by JR 05.21.13 @ 9:35 am

link to post-gazette.com

pretty good deal, Pitt apparently don’t have to win the prelim games at the Pete on 11/17 and 11/21 to go to Brooklyn

Comment by wbb 05.21.13 @ 9:49 am

Apparently Vanderbilt is blocking Sheldon Jeter’s transfer to Pitt, according to Ray Fittapaldo.

Comment by PatMac 05.21.13 @ 10:16 am

PatMac, where did you see/hear this?

Comment by Benzene 05.21.13 @ 10:21 am

I figured Vandy would block Jeter from Pitt.

For the last few weeks, numerous media made it sound like Pitt had contact with Jeter before he was granted transfer.
That is tampering.
benzene… it is in the PG.

Comment by Pitt.Dan83 05.21.13 @ 10:28 am

Benzene,

Here is the article link -
link to post-gazette.com

Comment by winedogs 05.21.13 @ 10:31 am

Way to go Dixon and Pederson!!!! Houston, Stanford and or Texas Tech. Way to sign up the tough Non Conf schools…Anyway to get to 20 wins. What a joke.

Comment by Upittbaseball 05.21.13 @ 10:46 am

If JD isn’t confident Kane is Able (couldn’t help myself) to contribute immediately, then Pitt should walk away. However, if Kane is good enough to be a positive factor on the court, Pitt has no choice with the lack of alternatives currently on the roster or available.
I’m not afraid of the “cancer” possibility, as Kane is a one year fix, will be on a short leash, and can be cut anytime he steps out of line since he’s only got one year and he’s not preventing a “better” player from getting a scholarship.
If JD wants Kane but isn’t Able (ugh!!) to land him, then this is another indictment of JD’s recruiting especially if he goes to Memphis and gets very little PT.

Comment by Taxing Matters 05.21.13 @ 10:53 am

@Upitt, I don’t know. Not sure how you get into those tourneys, invitation? Get’s Pitt into NYC, with Rohrsen coming back. Stanford usually not too bad.

Not disagreeing with you, I’ve bitched as much as anyone about Pitt’s non-con.

I’m mostly concerned with the 10 or so games at the Pete.

The fans DO deserve to be thrown a bone. Pay for the seats, pay for souvenirs, parking, food….

we are in fact, The Customer.

Is it any of our business who they should bring in, how to do it, who to call, absolutely not, we shouldn’t have a say in that aspect.

We should be given one or two games that have at least some interest and flavor from another BCS conference or national name from a non BCS.

I don’t care who you bring in, but 10 games against Milquetoast State and Pansy Northern is ridiculous.

KANE: I don’t know enough to comment, from what people have said on the Blather, seems like a malcontent. As TaxMat says though, would be 1 year and short leash. Leave it up to the coach.

Comment by Dan 05.21.13 @ 11:43 am

p.s. I know “all” the other schools do it too.

That is false. A LOT of them do it, not all.

There are some teams that do home and homes.

I know about the money too, having all the home games blah, blah, blah.

You’re gonna start getting 20M a year, bring in someone besides Savannah State for cryin’ out loud.

Comment by Dan 05.21.13 @ 11:47 am

@ Dan

They did bring in someone besides Savannah State last year. What….you didn’t enjoy Bethune-Cookman or Kennesaw State ? :-)

Comment by EMel 05.21.13 @ 12:17 pm

Looks like this kid could still make it to PITT !

“Jeter has several options to deal with the situation. He can appeal to the Vanderbilt athletics department to overturn coach Kevin Stallings’ ruling. He can enroll at Pitt and pay tuition for one year before being put on scholarship. Or he can transfer to a school other than Pitt.”

Meaning, if there’s a will, there’s a way !

Comment by EMel 05.21.13 @ 12:26 pm

Here is the quote from Vandy head coach Kevin Stallings yesterday: “Sheldon has indicated that he’d like to play closer to home, and we wish him the best.”

well at least I hope he’s not blocking him from going to Geneva (I guess)

Comment by wbb 05.21.13 @ 12:33 pm

@ wbb

Maybe we can find a sick relative for Sheldon.

;-)

Comment by EMel 05.21.13 @ 12:39 pm

btw I was in The Burg (5 days) and on campus (Sunday) for the first time in awhile. Walked down Bellefield, down Fifth past the Cathedral and then up Bigelow past Soldiers & Sailors. CMU was having their graduation commencement at S & S.

The campus looked great, very lush shrubs now border the Cathedral’s lush lawn. Our campus looks better now than it EVER HAS !

With everything PITT has going for it, it should be easy to recruit top talent to. All you need now is PITT men to do it !

Hail to Pitt !

Comment by EMel 05.21.13 @ 12:46 pm

If kane wanted to come to pitt dixon should have taken him all the outhers they are looking at
would have to sit out a year even jeter but now he is blocked.
we only have 10 players for next year and if cam
goes 9 so to put kane on hold is dumb.
plus kane would be here for just one year.

so i am going to say dixon did not put the hold on kane he cant be that dumb.
it must be kane and if not to bad for pitt
becuse players are not in line to come here.

Comment by FRANKCAN 05.21.13 @ 12:50 pm

If duquesne has room for one more player and will
take jeter i have no problem with his coach blocking pitt.
but if they are full . i do becuse penn state is to
far for a kid that wants to be close to home.
and bobby mo is to much of a step down for a player like jeter.

Comment by FRANKCAN 05.21.13 @ 1:20 pm

This from Draft Express on Steven Adams at the NBA combine. Since I was out of town, I’ll post it here, confirms my belief Adams is just as good as Nerlen Noels (who’s projected to go #1). Steve was boxed in, in the paint in JD’s scheme, never allowing him to use his “face up” game.

Also he played 90% of the season with a jammed thumb. For those that think he had “hands of stone”. Try catching a pass with a jammed thumb.
Shame on you ! lol

“Steven Adams – Adams looked like a different player than the one we analyzed on film a few weeks ago, as he showed a higher skill-level than expected and was not tentative or calculated in the least bit. Adams had a tendency to overthink things in his one year in college and looked very mechanical for the most part offensively, but that really wasn’t the case here in Chicago. His hands looked much better, as he didn’t bobble the ball even once on any of his catches, which was a major issue for him as a freshman. He shot the ball relatively well from the perimeter and put in great effort on both ends of the floor, which goes a long ways considering how impressive a physical specimen he is. Adams has a terrific frame and a near 7-5 wingspan and can run and jump with the best of them, so NBA scouts were definitely paying attention to how much further along he looked offensively in the drills. How much this really means in the grand scheme of things is still very much up for debate, as he still appears to be a few years away from contributing, but Adams did a nice job of increasing his popularity among scouts with the work he put in, and then complimented that by reportedly interviewing extremely well off the court too.”

From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com#ixzz2Tx9reYC9
http://www.draftexpress.com

Comment by EMel 05.21.13 @ 1:34 pm

Frankcan, you must be living in the past. Robert Morris is better than Duquesne in BB.

Comment by RayHpgh 05.21.13 @ 1:36 pm

As far as Kane, my thoughts are: we really could use another player who can score. And we certainly need a player who is agressive, albeit in JD’s system he tends to beat that out of them.

It took 3 years and a threatened transfer to Kansas State until JD took the reigns off Sam Young.

As of right now, Patterson will be counted on heavily next year to score from the 3 (SF).
Now as we all know, this year he crucial situations he was a “shrinking violet”.
Zanna is mostly a “shinking violet” as soon as conference play begins. So just who (presuming Moore is a goner) is going to be counted on to score ?

The rest are unproven commodities.

Comment by EMel 05.21.13 @ 1:45 pm

EMel you are so right 5 of the 10 have never played in a college BB game . and zanna and patterson
are not that good at least most that post on here
say they are less then good.
so next year we have a hope and a prayer.
and not much else .

Comment by FRANKCAN 05.21.13 @ 2:28 pm

Rayhpgh but the dukes play in the A 10 dont know
what bobby mo plays in plus if you go to say
NY they know who Duquesne is they would not no who robert bobby mo is most would not any way.
plus the dukes are on the up swing next year.
but you are right i do some what live in the past.
i like bobby mo dont get me wrong but if some said what school did you go to i would rather say
duquesne then Rodert M

Comment by FRANKCAN 05.21.13 @ 2:37 pm

This 4 star Top 50 Center just…..

RT @UN_Lincoln: @TheHawk_3 Dominic Woodson just decommitted from Baylor. You should recruit him to help you out at Nebraska!

Pitt should send out Slice …on a mission !!!

Immediately

Comment by EMel 05.21.13 @ 3:07 pm

This kid is a Man Mountain at 6’10″ 295 lbs.

Coast 2 Coast Hoops @Coast2CoastHoop 53m
Florida, UConn, UCLA, Purdue, Bama, Cincy, Charlotte, URI, Pitt, Marshall, Memphis, Nebraska, Texas & Oklahoma have called Dominic Woodson.

Comment by EMel 05.21.13 @ 3:12 pm

Are we getting “outmanuevered” again.

If Josh Pastner (of Memphis) somehow adds Deandre Kane and Dominic Woodson…sheesh..kudos.

Oy Vey !

Comment by EMel 05.21.13 @ 3:16 pm

EMel 3 times in the last 4 weeks i have posted
that pitt should look at Lasan Kromal SG from
GW a transfer who could play this year as far
as i know pitt never gave him a call or look
he is on his way to U Conn if he is good enough to play for them he should have been good enough
for us.
my point is a bird in hand is worth 2 in the bush
or if you snooze you lose.

all this waiting for kane and he might not come and jeter is bloked and players who are as good or allmost as good are signing some were else.
i just dont get it.

Comment by FRANKCAN 05.21.13 @ 3:17 pm

Agree Frankie,

If he was good enough for Uconn, he’s most assuridely good enough for us.

We seem to be a little slow out of the gate.

Football is like molasses out of the gate.

Yikes !

Comment by EMel 05.21.13 @ 3:32 pm

Oh to be a transfer with proven ability. Enjoy it guys. It is your last hurrah!

Comment by SFPitt 05.21.13 @ 3:35 pm

EMel the worst part is memphis does not really
need him they already have signed for 2013
four 4 stars and one 5 star..
is that a great class or what.
but dixon would not know what to do with thoes
kind of players any way.

he is better off with the kind of 3 stars that can be coached up till he has them molded
to the way he wants them.

Comment by FRANKCAN 05.21.13 @ 4:07 pm

Yep FRankcan,

I understand, neither did NC State need Leonard Freeman. Neither team can offer many minutes for these kids, yet they’re still plucking them away from PITT. Worse Memphis U. is a real sh*thole.

Comment by EMel 05.21.13 @ 4:44 pm

Frankcan, please stop repeating this nonsense. Good college players can thrive in any system and are not limited by the system. This is not the NBA. The key to college coaching is to recruit players who still have an upside and continue to improve in college, thereby making the team better.

Comment by RayHpgh 05.21.13 @ 4:51 pm

Rayhpgh did you read what the NBA GM said abought ADAMS
adams has shocked the nba gms his skill level is much better then thay thought
the pitt system kept it hidden and the role in the system kept them from seeing how good he really was

i fill cheated that i did not see adams play his game at pitt.

go on line look this stuff up it is out there
adams was not used right at pitt
did dixons system hold adams back

go look it all up then tell me dixon knows what to do with a 5 star player.

even sperit of section 22 says i am right and dixon is better with his kind of player and he hates me.

look all this up it is out there on the wed after they saw what asams gould do they moved him up from say pick 28 to a top 10 he was hidden at pitt
used wrong read this stuff before you get on me.

Comment by FRANKCAN 05.21.13 @ 5:09 pm

Heck even Michael Jordan was limited in Dean Smith’s system.

Sam Young was limited in Pitt’s system for his first 2 years. Playing behind Levon Kendall, lol.

First time I saw Sam Young play as a freshman against South Carolina in Columbia, SC., as soon as he came in off the bench he immediately changed the whole flow of the game and Pitt’s fortunes in the game. The USC ppl around me, were like; “Who is this guy”.

Players can be limited, and it is non-sensical to suggest otherwise. imo

Comment by EMel 05.21.13 @ 5:31 pm

btw Sam Young was so “limited” in the system he came very close to transferring to K-State when Bobby Huggins was coach there. From my understanding the only thing that stopped that transfer from occuring was Huggins taking the job at WVcc.

And had Sam transferred, no way we get close, to even sniffing that Elite 8 appearance.

Comment by EMel 05.21.13 @ 5:41 pm

EMel i dont know how to cut and paste thoes
posts like you all do when you want some one to read them.
or what ever you call it.
there are at least 10 storys out there on adams
at the combine
like adams shocked gm with his game
could you post some of them on here please
i would have to type them word for word it would
be easy if i knew how to that but i dont.

Comment by FRANKCAN 05.21.13 @ 5:50 pm

Frankcan, Right-mouse click and copy link

Comment by panther94 05.21.13 @ 5:57 pm

Oh, and right-mouse click and paste.

Comment by panther94 05.21.13 @ 5:58 pm

panther 94 how are you are we ever going to
get to 13 players for next year.
it gets hard to get there kane chages his mind
jeter blocked.
it is bad luck or a curse i dont know which.

Comment by FRANKCAN 05.21.13 @ 6:35 pm

Players who can help are hard to come by and we’ve had some bad luck with those that can. It’s easy to think we’re cursed because bad luck is not supposed to happen over and over again. I think we’ll be in better shape next year than it seems right now…at least I hope so. Good to hear from you, Frankcan.

Comment by panther94 05.21.13 @ 6:55 pm

panther94 good to hear from you to.
hope you are right abought next year but we better have more then 10 players.
some times it does seam like a curse.
what bothers me most is that 5 of the 10 have not
played in a college basketball game you talk abought
a lack of experence.

Comment by FRANKCAN 05.21.13 @ 7:17 pm

Here ya go Frank…..

link to youtube.com

Comment by Jackagain 05.21.13 @ 7:31 pm

Nothing like piling on Dixon when he hits a little valley. I can’t believe some of the negative nonsense I read about him here.

I feel like a broken record, but Adams is not a good offensive player at this point in his development. If he wasn’t dunking on put-backs or in transition, he was firing bricks and air-balls from five feet away.

Once again, the NBA drafts big men on potential, not current skill level. Does Adams have the potential to be a good offensive player someday? Sure. Was he even remotely close to being the first or second option on a top 25 team as a 19 year-old? Not even close.

And please don’t tell me Dixon can’t coach talented players — that’s ridiculous. The same was said about Howland until he went to a traditional power and got great players. He then proceeded went to three straight final fours with rosters full of lottery picks.

If you want to beat on Dixon, blame him for not recruiting offensively talented players. He puts too much emphasis on defense and rebounding and not enough on scoring ability.

Comment by Denny 05.21.13 @ 8:07 pm

denny you are so wrong adams has a great jump shot read the results of adams at the combine.
you are talking of the adams you saw at pitt and that is the point dixon did not use his skills read all the posts from combine then come back on here and say he has no offence game you wont do it.

Comment by FRANKCAN 05.21.13 @ 8:50 pm

jackagein thanks the next time i want to try it
i will clik on your post and fallow along.

Comment by FRANKCAN 05.21.13 @ 8:53 pm

panther94 pitt still in the ball game for SG lacey
he is to come for a vist.
but even if we get him he has to sit out a year.
so no help this year.

Comment by FRANKCAN 05.21.13 @ 9:09 pm

Still good news, although we do need the help next year.

Comment by panther94 05.21.13 @ 10:02 pm

X&Os, sure.. Got it

But, as I’m typically off topic these days.. (Wasn’t always the case case, incidentally.) Just wanted to ask @ ya, Chas:

Where’d the nice girl with thong go away to, anyway? Yeh, you know the one; beach bathing sl*t, black thong,.. the one I’m baited to @$!?&$@!!¿2 for money.. Her, yes, that one.

Who was the genius to pull that ad? Easy to market on a sports blog I should think. And it was a cheap thrill FCS..
C’mon, it’s the off-season.
HTP, of course .. Yeah

Comment by Neil 05.21.13 @ 10:03 pm

Specifically referencing advertisement gigs @ right column under Blather email address where now LEARCAPITAL stands. (For those blind to miss former said advertisement.)

Comment by Neil 05.21.13 @ 10:10 pm

@Neil, you don’t have to reference where it was on the blog. We all know exactly where it was!!!

LOL

Comment by dan 05.21.13 @ 10:17 pm

No kane, no pain. I personally do not think it is a good idea to bring in kane, even if he were able. Not good in the locker room. Coach Herrion will attest to this so Pitt should stand clear. Kane will take up minutes of a younger guard that needs minutes.

I do think we should go after the big man with everything we have. Glad to see the campus looking nice! Is steve p still our AD? He did great things for Nebraska. Also, someone commented that he was responsible for the Pete and for migrating Pitt to the ACC. The answer to both would be no, not really. These things happened in spite of him, not because of him.

Comment by dhuffdaddy 05.21.13 @ 10:30 pm

Dixon is on downward spiral and dragging the BB team with him. Not even a top 25 recruiting class is inexplicable when Kentucky signed 5 first team all-americans ! Players leaving in droves and even average players don’t want to come here because they don’t like Dixon !

Comment by Rocky20 05.21.13 @ 11:26 pm

@Rocky Balboa, Don’t even try to compare us to Kentucky. I mean, really? And if Dixon were on the downward spiral, how would he NOT be dragging the bb team down with him? Anyway, what evidence do you have? We had 1 bad year out of how many? 10 or 11. Who do you propose we get instead? If you’ve got the answers, maybe you should be coach. lol

Comment by panther94 05.21.13 @ 11:45 pm

Frankcan, Sometimes your posts are not to my liking ,but I don’t hate anyone including you. Although I agree that Dixon has had better success with the 3 star types than 5 stars I never agreed that he misused Adams so don’t stretch what I posted to support your position when it conflicts with I actually think. I take enough heat for my own wrong positions and certainly won’t need any help from you in adding to that number.

Comment by spiritofsection 22 05.22.13 @ 9:10 am

Rocky20, Kentucky signed several last year too, in fact most years. Then they didn’t make the NCAA and lost to Bobby Mo in the NIT. Maybe they are the one on a “downward spiral”, because Dixon did better than them. Where have you ever seen it reported that anyone didn’t like Dixon? He might have some faults but he is one of the most likable guys in sports and has an excellent record. Don’t mistake some transfers and projected recruiting classes as proof he won’t succeed. They still have to play the games and Dixon always wins his share. Your post is absurd.

Comment by spiritofsection 22 05.22.13 @ 10:36 am

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