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May 3, 2013

The rumors of Barry Rohrssen’s return have been swirling for a couple of weeks. To be honest, it has been hard to separate fact from wishful thinking that has been put out there. But it seems that Jamie Dixon is indeed bringing back Slice.

Sources confirmed Thursday night that Barry “Slice” Rohrssen will rejoin Dixon’s staff as an assistant coach, replacing Pat Sandle, an original member of Dixon’s staff who spent the past decade with the program.

That detail is surprising. Sandle first started with Pitt in 1999 under Ben Howland. The LA native left for a couple years to be an assistant at UCLA under Lavin. Of course, Lavin was fired by UCLA who hired Howland and Sandle was not retained. And when Dixon became the Pitt head coach, he hired Sandle.

Most people — including myself — figured that if Dixon made a change on staff, it would be with Bill Barton. His recruiting has been lackluster, and no one exactly raves about his abilities as an X’s-and-O’s guy.

Sandle didn’t do much (any?) recruiting. At least not going out on the road. Generally not a big deal since only two assistants can be out at a time. Plenty of coaches employ one coach who is more of a strategy, scouting and X-and-O guy. Billy Donovan, Jim Calhoun and Jim Boeheim immediately spring to my mind as the most prominent head coaches who did that.

Sandle emphasized the defense, and coached the frontcourt. You look at the development of players like Wanamaker, Fields, Woodall, Patterson among others and you have to give credit to Sandle. Presumably the frontcourt responsibilities will fall more to Brandin Knight.

So letting go of Sandle is a big change. Potentially bigger than bringing back Rohrssen.

Rohrssen was a member of Pitt’s staff from 2001-06, serving under Dixon and Ben Howland. He was Dixon’s associate head coach from 2004-06 before accepting the head coaching job at Manhattan.

Rohrssen did not fare well as a head coach. He recruited well enough, but did not win. He spent last year as an assistant with the Portland Trailblazers’ D-League team. He connected well with the players and staff.

The hiring of Rohrssen hopefully suggests that there was more money for paying assistants in the recent extension of Dixon’s contract. It is no secret that Pitt — historically — does not do a very good job of paying assistants. Head coaches usually have to fight the administration for more money to pay assistants. (Oh, and for the love of god, please don’t turn this into a “It’s all Steve Pederson’s fault” thread. This was an issue when Jeff Long was in charge. It was an issue before Pederson. It is an administrative issue at Pitt that goes beyond the AD.)

Obviously there are a ton of open scholarships to fill. This move, now, suggests that the focus is really shifting to the 2014 and even 2015 classes at this point. Not that Dixon and the staff have given up on finding more help for the coming season. It is just that the available players that can provide immediate help has gotten small.





players that can provide help has gotten small
it would not be that way had they brought slice
back 3 weeks ago.
it seems to me as a fan i am no expert that
what they need to do in say 10 days if they have not signed any one.

go the fifth year transfer route they are here 1 year then gone if even just for depth.

there are players out there who are not top notch
looking for a home like the SG from GW that i
posted abought who had 10 ppg ang started abought
15 games last year he is 6 foot 5 and would fill a need
not the best but better then being down 4 players
at least he has experence and did play at a fariley high level in the A 10 .

and there are outher 1 year players out there
like him you would not want them for more then
1 year but they could help get us get bye for next season. which better then being down 4 players.

Comment by FRANKCAN 05.03.13 @ 7:59 am

Chas, did you mena to say ‘backcourt’ instead of ‘frontcourt’ when referrigto Sandle .. it would make more sense?

Comment by wbb 05.03.13 @ 8:12 am

info for you this move was not dixons idea
dont know if that means he wanted to let some one else go insted of sandle.

or if it means he did not want to bring slice
back.

but which ever he was forced into it how abought
that for news.

Comment by FRANKCAN 05.03.13 @ 8:25 am

@ Frankcan – I here Nordy follows your posts here religiously! and an AMEN!

Comment by CompLit 05.03.13 @ 8:45 am

Meant “hear”

Engish is my second language, I have no first!

Comment by CompLit 05.03.13 @ 8:46 am

a good first step in the right direction.

Comment by Coach Ditka 05.03.13 @ 9:13 am

IMO the name of the game is recruiting. And Slice is one of the best, while Sandle can’t recruit.

So while we appreciated Pat’s efforts something had to be done, to add a ‘closer’ to this staff.

And like Frankie said, just wish they would have made this move a month or so ago. More than likely the additional 3 open spots would be filled with decent players.

We can get by with 7-8 scholarship players. I believe Syracuse just went to the Final 4 with the same number this past season. Maybe we find a late addition like the year we added Antonio Graves in the Summer.

Comment by EMel 05.03.13 @ 9:46 am

why sandle here is a thought a 10 year asst will
make more money then a 2 year asst so pitt is cheap
axe the one makeing more money plus he wont recruit

but did dixon want slice back that will be the
question now.

Comment by FRANKCAN 05.03.13 @ 10:22 am

I can’t believe that Dixon didn’t have a hand in getting Slice back. Why would Slice come back if Dixon didn’t want him?

Comment by Benzene 05.03.13 @ 10:29 am

Slice is nice. Open that NYC pipeline again!!!

Comment by DC33 05.03.13 @ 10:29 am

amen EMel & FRANK. 3 weeks ago is milk spilled, slice has the kind relationships, connections & ability to connect that we need. Those that think ACC ball is not relevant to NY/NJ kids dont know history! Now, hopefully, we are poised to carry that torch in our new conference h2p

Comment by ptbreezeb 05.03.13 @ 10:35 am

benzene read my post maybe he wanted to keep sandle
and fire some one else barton maybe.
the point is he didnot want to make the move but which one bring slice back or fireing one of the outhers.
all that was said is this was not dixon idea but which one was not his idea i dont know.

Comment by FRANKCAN 05.03.13 @ 10:39 am

in ray fittipaldo’s article in the pg this morning it said that cam wright is now considering a transfer too now. this is the first in hearing of this and I think it could be a bigger loss than a lot of people realize

Comment by Rick 05.03.13 @ 10:50 am

derrick randall 6 foot 9 250 pounds leaveing
rutgers will vist iona will slice be back in time to try for him who knows.

Comment by FRANKCAN 05.03.13 @ 11:05 am

@ FRankcan

Where did you hear that this wasn’t JD’s idea ??
(bringing back Slice that is)

Comment by EMel 05.03.13 @ 11:26 am

EMel if you read my posts o never mind
it is you so i will explain once more it was posted that the move was not dixons idea.
but which one
fireing sandle and keeping burton
or the move to bring slice back.
what was posted was this the move was not dixon idea
it was on matts tweet i hate giveing up my sorce
but for you there it is

Comment by FRANKCAN 05.03.13 @ 11:36 am

I hope they haven’t given up on this year yet.

Would be quite embarrassing to go from headlines of two years ago, “ACC adds basketball powers Syracuse and Pitt”, to coming out of next season with our head between our tail in our first season in the conference.

Comment by Dan 05.03.13 @ 11:44 am

DAN how are you good to hear from you hope for the best plan for the worst.

Comment by FRANKCAN 05.03.13 @ 11:50 am

EMel bud it was from matt steinbrink

Comment by FRANKCAN 05.03.13 @ 11:54 am

EMel the new recruiting rules that start aug 1
all 3 assistants can go on the road at same time.
old rule as you know was only 2 at same time.

Comment by FRANKCAN 05.03.13 @ 12:08 pm

EMel think abought this i dont get it.
chad frazier the SG pitt is after will vist UAB
this week end.
he could come to pitt play in the ACC get tons
of playing time.in a major city at a first class school.
why even vist UAB tell me why?

Comment by FRANKCAN 05.03.13 @ 12:20 pm

Sounds like Dixon is making structural moves to improve

Comment by Jim from Dallas 05.03.13 @ 12:27 pm

Frankcan – It’s obvious the stigma around our BB and FB teams is not good. Too much negatives out there with Shell, Arrests, Dixon playing them out of position, etc. The brand is weak and Chryst doesn’t exactly scream winning and exciting football. Hope that changes but this is EXACTLY why Pederson needed fired 2 years ago. He is a cancer. I’m going to the FSU with a friend who was a FB at FSU and played with Lawrence Timmons so they better not embarrass us. As a side note, he said Timmons was a freak. Out ran DB’s and was strong as an ox in weight room. We should organize a tailgate!!!

Comment by Upittbaseball 05.03.13 @ 12:42 pm

help rick posted that fittipaldo says cam wright thinking of transfer i cant find it did any one else
read it. that would be to much WTF.

Comment by FRANKCAN 05.03.13 @ 12:43 pm

On a recent tweet Cam said that “This is final straw – will share play time – but NOT pizza!

Comment by CompLit 05.03.13 @ 12:49 pm

Upittbaseball if wright is to transfer also stigma
might be right that would be just to much and i would say then we need a explataion WTF IS GOING ON

Comment by FRANKCAN 05.03.13 @ 12:49 pm

COMPLIT you get 20 points for that one it was very good.

Comment by FRANKCAN 05.03.13 @ 12:52 pm

Yes – very good indeed CompLit, very good indeed :)

Comment by TX_Panther 05.03.13 @ 1:01 pm

I’ve been hearing for a while that Dixon’s staff gets very frustrated with his over-coaching. He doesn’t even let the assistants run with the off-season stuff (summer league etc. etc.), so by the time the fall rolls around the kids have completely tuned Dixon out because he’s been on them for several months already and they’re tired of it.

It’s a management-style and delegation-of-responsibility thing. He’s got to have enough confidence in his assistants to let them grow and let them bring whatever talents they have to the fore (Xs and Os, recruiting, handling kids etc., etc.)

From what I’m hearing, the level of frustration and dysfunction within the staff was increasing, so maybe this change, with Rohrssen back and Sandle out, will help turn it around. God knows it can’t get any worse over there right now…..

Comment by hugh green 05.03.13 @ 1:08 pm

not sure why guys like Moore and Wright would transfer .. both woould have to sit a year with only 1 year eligibility left. Unless, of course, they are going to small college.

Maybe Wright is going back to Cleveland (John Carroll) like Mark Myers. BTW, Myers had a really good year.

Comment by wbb 05.03.13 @ 1:20 pm

It was my contention from the beginning that the Adams family did not go poor to desolite in one year.
A ten man ridiculous rotation with a lottery pick playing 23 minutes a game, restricting him ( the first game against DePaul the fans were yelling for Adams to pout up a 3 point shot because they see him in warm ups and know he is the best 3 point shooter on this team-his remark was I was thinking about it [up 25 points] but coach would have sat me down). Dixon let Woodall shoot 11 that didn’t hit the rim and played him 30 minutes plus against W.S.
Reality says Woodall is a , than 20 minute a game player even in Pitt backcourt.
Adams went because he was rated in top 4 before coming to Pitt. No one can realistically say after watching him play in the Addiadas summer league or against Noels [23 points 14 rebounds 5 blocks to 12 points 7 rebounds)that his game improved at Pitt.
He was more nervous about making a mistake and getting yanked by Dixon as are most players except, Woodall, Gibbs, Fields, et.al., tahn about performing in front of big crowds.
He said this and the reason he was going to the NBA was his family because he did not want to throw Dixon under the bus. Too bad someone better do it soon.
Pitt cannot afford to lose the best player they have recruited because he did not get playing time. Birch fleed for the same reason and that because Dixon was playing him out of position as he did with Taylor and Young before him.
Dixon is not unusual like all coaches he is not concerned with the players he is concerned with winning whatever that takes; a weak non-conference schedule, ignoring player development to fill holes in his recruiting, and in JD case blantant favortism to some players.

Comment by pittisit 05.03.13 @ 1:31 pm

What I’m hearing is that Dixon’s assistants enjoy working for him, and there’s no desire to leave unless it’s for another job — that’s why there’s such low/no turnover. And the players respect Dixon — as shown by the statements from Wanamaker, Fields, others about how he gave this team far more freedom and that it was the players’ failures, not so much Dixon. Remember Wanamaker’s statement late in the season that Patterson is afraid to be great?

Dixon has many flaws — but all coaches do. And he’s smart enough to know he has to change. This hire is for the better, but it’s not exactly likely it’s a desperation move coming off a 5-20 season.

Comment by velvil 05.03.13 @ 1:39 pm

Would suggest other reason for low turnover, no one wants thape assistants that ee have. None of the current group are ever mentioned for bigger jobs, which is abad sign.
The staff just got a major upgrade, lets hope more are to follow.

Comment by Jimbo 05.03.13 @ 2:09 pm

we had a high school coach who was well respected but was a systems coach where players seemed reluctant to shoot or make plays. Not sure if this was the case this year but I saw a lot of open shots passed up this year.

The idea that Adams left because of lack of playing time is almost too ridiculous to address. He averaged 26 minutes a game almost twice the amount that his replacment (Taylor) received at 14 mpg. Further, he was determined that he was returning and even thought that the question posed to him after the Wichita game was kind of silly. His change of mindset after going home has everything to do with financial factors .. it is the only thing that makes sense.

Comment by wbb 05.03.13 @ 2:10 pm

@Upittbaseball
“Chryst doesn’t exactly scream exiciting football” I take it you were not following college football when Chryst was at Wisconsin. Knute Rockne couldn’t have made last year’s Pitt team exciting.

Comment by Floyd 05.03.13 @ 2:18 pm

Wbb – How much guranteed money is he looking at? 1.2M? After taxes that’s not enough for a family of 5 let alone 18 brothers and sisters. He should have waited and with improved play he would have climbed an estimated 8-15 picks. IMHO

Comment by Upittbaseball 05.03.13 @ 2:20 pm

$1.2m is a lot for me let alone an 18 memeber family in New Zealnd

Comment by wbb 05.03.13 @ 2:40 pm

Floyd, Knute Rockne only knew 3 plays on offense… :-)

Student body right….

I kinda agree more with pittisit too concerning Dixon…

Upitt…and that’s 18 siblings and their families!

Comment by Jackagain 05.03.13 @ 2:43 pm

what makes you think the cost of living there is anything close to what we have here?

Comment by wbb 05.03.13 @ 3:13 pm

Again, in a post-game interview after the nCAA game, Adams was adamant he was staying .. and by all accounts, it didn’t change until he came back from New Zealand. Do you honestly think the conversation centered around playing time with his family?

Comment by wbb 05.03.13 @ 3:20 pm

Bigger job is in the eye of the beholder. Maybe the assistants don’t want to follow the Skerry example and be a HC at the Towson States of the world. Or maybe they think Pitt is a pretty big time program, and a good place to be an assistant.

Comment by velvil 05.03.13 @ 3:22 pm

wbb…it’s more expensive to live in NZ for most things.

link to numbeo.com

As for Adams….he was sure he was going to bring a NC to Pitt when he came here. I think he got a wake-up call at the NCAA’s and knew 4 years there wouldn’t do the trick, let alone 2. Just a little something else that added to the decision.

Comment by Jackagain 05.03.13 @ 3:31 pm

with the possible exception of Rohrssen, I can’t see any Pitt assistant commanding a high salary, and would think they are contented

Comment by wbb 05.03.13 @ 3:32 pm

frankcan, I don’t have a link for the article but it was in the one this morning about slice

Comment by Rick 05.03.13 @ 3:33 pm

sheldon jeter to transfer to pitt maybe

Comment by FRANKCAN 05.03.13 @ 3:36 pm

sheldon was a 3 star 6 foot 7 SF from beaver fall
went to vanderbilt rumor is sickness in family
must play closer to home might be able to play next year if he comes a rumor who knows.

Comment by FRANKCAN 05.03.13 @ 3:44 pm

Its my understanding that Sandle never hit the road to recruit & not making road trips was his decision?? HTP

Comment by DC33 05.03.13 @ 3:45 pm

It would be an interesting turn of events if Dixon takes Jeter. Jeter all but said he’d go to Pitt if offered, and Dixon wouldn’t and didn’t. And Dixon was spotted at games where Jeter was playing.

Comment by velvil 05.03.13 @ 3:55 pm

The loss to Akron was tough especially after being on such a win streak, but we really need to focus on BEast games. G-town and Nova are beatable to say the least. We can take the league going out the door at Louisville. Go Panthers!!! Lets close this deal with a strong finish #17! H2P UPone

Comment by UPone 05.03.13 @ 4:12 pm

wbb – New Zealand isn’t cheap. with 30 plus people to take care of he is gonna need 4-6M and that’s just for starters. Should of stayed and got better. 7 foot or not no way he goes in the first round.

Comment by Upittbaseball 05.03.13 @ 4:13 pm

Gtown and Nova are a joke. L’Ville is bad ass. It’s all about winning the tourney. Anything less is not good especially going to ACC which is the equivalent of Football going to the SEC.

Comment by Upittbaseball 05.03.13 @ 4:14 pm

rick thanks will check it out.

Comment by FRANKCAN 05.03.13 @ 4:50 pm

Floyd – I wasn’t impressed with Wisconsin’s offense as they played bad teams in the Big 10. The conference has been bad for awhile so no I wasn’t impressed with what Wisconsin did against the likes of Michigan (Beat by App State) or PSU or Nebraska. The competition was bad.

Comment by Upittbaseball 05.03.13 @ 4:52 pm

Upone – The baseball team is completely out of the Top 25 now. One poll said ranked in the 50’s and the other Baseball America just did Top 25. How far have we fallen?

Comment by Upittbaseball 05.03.13 @ 4:53 pm

There are four major College Baseball Polls:

Baseball America only has 25 and Pitt remains unranked

NCBWA has top 30. Pitt is in the others receiveing votes…

Collegiate Baseball – The oldest and most respected – Has us at 17

USA Today Coaches Poll has us at 29

Our RPI is 48

link to ncaa.com

Comment by Pantherman 05.03.13 @ 5:31 pm

That’s just stupid to have 4 polls.

Comment by Upittbaseball 05.03.13 @ 5:45 pm

UPitt, you feel Dixon and Chryst need replaced now, but the baseball coach who hasn’t won poop in 15 years on the job should stay?

Comment by marcus of schaumburg 05.03.13 @ 5:59 pm

jackagain, Bahamas isn’t cheap either yet many, many natives still live in poverty .. and it’s like that in several places where the gap between the haves and the have-nots is much wider than here. The father died when Steve was 13 — Steve lived on the streets for a while before his brother reeled him in. I have not read anything at all indicating that this famly was living comfortably.

For the 3rd time — Adams was adamant he was returning to Pitt before he went home — playing time wasn’t an issue then, and it shouldn’t have been to begin with at 26 mpg.

Comment by wbb 05.03.13 @ 6:00 pm

marcus, on this site, it is what have you done for me lately?

Comment by wbb 05.03.13 @ 6:04 pm

@ FRankcan

Thanks for the info !
And I always read ALL your posts, lol.

Now, who in the heck is Matt Steinbeck ?
John’s brother :-)

Comment by EMel 05.03.13 @ 6:54 pm

We lost to Akron in baseball? wtf

What is it with Pitt and these smaller Ohio schools?

I mean, Toledo, Ohio U, YSU in football.
Kent State in hoops.
And now Akron in baseball.

It’s almost like they want to embarrass Pitt so we can’t recruit in Ohio and Ohio Fake has it all to themselves.

And why is Ohio putting out better D1 players in football anymore than PA ? Sheesh it’s a flat as a board ugly state. And worse it has Cleveland,
lol.

Comment by EMel 05.03.13 @ 7:00 pm

Here’s some new hoop info:

Villanova sophomore guard Achraf Yacoubou is mulling three schools for his next destination.

The 6-foot-4 Long Island native is considering St. Louis, Pittsburgh and Georgia Tech, his high school coach, John Buck of Long Island Lutheran, told SNY.tv.

“Those are the main three now,” Buck said. “He enjoyed his visit to St. Louis and is planning on visiting Pittsburgh and Georgia Tech soon

Comment by EMel 05.03.13 @ 7:21 pm

It’s finally official

link to pittsburghpanthers.com

Comment by steve1 05.03.13 @ 7:25 pm

link to cstv.com

Looking good tonight

Comment by Pantherman 05.03.13 @ 7:39 pm

Glad that Rohrssen is back, but when he was here originally, as best I can remember, Decade Dixon’s teams still choked in the post season, though, in all fairness, we did have a better class of players choking back then. Probably thanks to “Slice.”

As with Davey “the Stache” Wannstedt, the head coach isn’t going to fire himself, so an assistant has to take the rap. And I suspect we will have the same success in Decade’s case that Wanny did with new assistants. Amazing how, after years as an assistant coach, Decade finally realized Pat wasn’t cutting it. But now, I am sure, it was Sandle that drove Johnson, Gilbert, Birch, Johnson, etc. (sorry if I cannot remember everyone) off the team.

True, we are not coming off of a 5-20 season. But as we are very fond of saying in Pitt world, wait until next year.

Comment by PO'd Panther 05.03.13 @ 7:39 pm

The reason the coach shouldn’t be replaced is because baseball wasn’t given everything football and basketball has. Just recently did we get a new field. He needs another year or so but it’s gonna get ugly quick in ACC. As far as what have you done for me lately? Dixon has been bad for 4 years and Chryst hasn’t done anything. Beat a bad VT team and played a bad overages ND team. Come on everyone knows ND stinks. Name one good team they beat. So Chryst and his bad in game coaching is on a short leash. As far as Dixon is get rid of him this year. He has no success when it matters ever in march.

Comment by Upittbaseball 05.03.13 @ 7:39 pm

Yeah that Dixon guy sucks. 12-6 and 4th place in the best conference. Putrid. Being back Ralph Willard. And that Pitt baseball coach? Fire him too. Never has won anything. And the football coach? He’s a stinker. So’s the AD – what’s his name ? Oh yeah, corn hole or something like that? Hire Walt Harris, Sean miller and bring back the script and pitt will rule the world. Oh wait, pitt would also need Tom Bradley as DC to really rock!

Comment by Velvil 05.03.13 @ 7:49 pm

Upitt…..love your interpretation of history.

Having been one of the more vocal critics of JD and really it has more to do with a stubborness to not change offenses and defenses to the strength of the players that particular year than anything else. Let’s not forget JD did get us to one Elite Eight and had Gilbert Brown not made like a statue on the pint sized Villanova’s guard weaving around pylons drive. We might have been in the Final 4 that year. Funny enough Gilbert Brown came into play again by missing the FT against Butler, which led to the unfornate foul by Nas.

And that team that year really didn’t have great talent, but was an NCAA #1 seed, so JD did get them to overchieve. But again Gilbert Brown couldn’ get it done, when it was on the line.

So Dixon did indeed have 2 very good years of the last 4. An Elite Eight and a two years when we were Number 1 seeds. And again the 2011 team with McGhee, Wannamaker certainly overachieved to get a Number 1 seed.

And yes I’d be up for a tailgate come FSU game, for I want to see you in Pitt gear. :-)

Comment by EMel 05.03.13 @ 7:54 pm

You guys can make fun all you want. I’d love to work for you both. I could give half ass effort make bone headed decisions and never close anything or anyone and you will be me 10! Year contract and a atta boy. Keep accepting mediocrity and you will continue to get it. You sure you guys aren’t related to Pederson?

Comment by Upittbaseball 05.03.13 @ 8:00 pm

Excellent, EMel and Velvil. And on Sabbath, a big OY VEY for the Anti-Alleghenee.

Comment by steve1 05.03.13 @ 8:02 pm

Wow, the football coach didn’t do anything in his one year, so get rid of him. The baseball coach hasn’t done anything in 15 years, but give him more time???? If memory serves, the previous baseball coach won a BE title with the old field.

Comment by marcus of schaumburg 05.03.13 @ 8:08 pm

The field was a shit hole. Notre Dame actually refused to play on it but you know everything Marcus. Keep drinking the cool aid that Chryst isn’t really just a OC. Pederson is serving it at all the alumni events. Keep giving himself to pay his 700k a year.

Comment by Upittbaseball 05.03.13 @ 8:11 pm

The great thing about JD is, he HAS made PITT a consistently very good team after he and Howland set it in motion. And he is a good person, might actually be too good a person in what seems to be a more and more cutthroat dirty business. In an environment where the Pitino’s and the Calipari’s thrive in.

We certainly never get many good draws in the Big Dance, for whatever reason(s). I mean, Butler the one year, who went on to the NC game and the next time we’re in the Tourney we draw Wichita State who gets to the Final 4. If they were the Cinderella’s those years(and they were), what does that make us. The ugly stepsister ?

Comment by EMel 05.03.13 @ 8:15 pm

So because I question your opinion I’m a know-it-all Kool-aid drinker? I’m just asking questions. It appears your the one that knows everything – so who better to ask? But we agree on one thing, Pederson needs to go.

Comment by marcus of schaumburg 05.03.13 @ 8:29 pm

One thing is clear, what is very important to any college program is stability, which is why I was against the DW asked to resign deal. Plus he had just won more games in 3 years at Pitt since the Jackie Sherrill era.

So much as I find PC’s in game decision making, wanting, there is NO WAY you can fire the guy after 1 year. That’s crazy ! Unless Coach Ditka wanted to come out of retirement or Surburban Urban got a hankering for Pitt.

What PITT football needs (and btw what DW gave it) is stability. Had we continued to have that stability I believe we would have cleaned up in recruiting the last several years with Ped State’s problems and WVU’s and even Ohio Fakes.
BUT THAT WAS NOT MEANT TO BE. We were put into an even more unstable situation than those 3 almost combined (maybe combined). Which is hard to believe, but it did happen, I think or was I was dreaming. lol

Anyway to be fair, we have to give PC at least 4 years, while he’s not the greatest recruiter, you can win without having Top 20 recruiting classes year in and year out. As has been documented previously PITT outrecruited Wisconsin in the last 10 years but Wisconsin had the much better record. Same thing with schools like Boise State, TCU and some others.

The common denominator between Wisconsin, Boise State and TCU was Coaching stability, having a good plan and sticking with it.

In pro football, the obvious example of coaching stability leading to success would be the Steelers. 3 Head Coaches since 1969 resulted in turning a annual loser to the team with the most Super Bowl trophys and a consistent winner.

Comment by EMel 05.03.13 @ 8:30 pm

I don’t think anybody thinks I’m related to Cornhole Stevie.

Let’s not get carried away Upitt !

Pitt baseball, while I love it since I played it under Bobby Lewis (who Jordano just passed last year in wins), is irrelevant in this discussion, since it’s a non-revenue producing sport. Hopefully they will continue to get better, we have the new field (wish we would have had something like that, as Trees was a sh*thole) and the opportunity to compete in the best baseball conf. in the NCAA.

But again it’s non-revenue producing. So it’s akin to women’s swimming. And btw our swimming programs use to be great when I was in school, they suck now.

Comment by EMel 05.03.13 @ 8:45 pm

Marcus. Just messing with you. I don’t know a ton but I do know trees field was a disaster. We were the groundskeepers by the way during games it was laughable. The program has come a long way. Emel, lets say you are correct about the consistency piece. Say we give Chryst 4 years just because we need consistency and he is not the right fit or hire and we waste 4 years just because we need him around. That sets us back even more. I say we better really keep a short leash on him this year and by year 3 if we aren’t competitive then he needs cut.

Comment by Upittbaseball 05.03.13 @ 8:45 pm

Concerning PC, it’s just too early to say he’s going to fail. We don’t even know that he’s not a good recruiter — let’s see what this recruiting class and the next one does before we decide. And yes, he’s clearly a very good OC. I’m hoping it’ll eventually translate into a good team. I really don’t expect that this year, but third year — let’s see what he’s got with his guys.

As far as working for me with a half assed effort — first, I don’t see that with Dixon or Chryst. Second, you don’t know me or my history with those I’ve supervised — and there have been quite a few — and how I react to half assed effort.

Comment by velvil 05.03.13 @ 8:59 pm

Velvil…if you are like Pederson then you applaud it and give them raises. There is no setting expectations and managing or coaching with Pederson. He is a fish out of water. He kept Agnes on and she didn’t win a game in two years. Set expectations and if they re not met then you give some motivations and if till not met you let them go. That’s my style and its successful. Pederson has no clue.

Comment by Upittbaseball 05.03.13 @ 9:08 pm

Velvil – or anyone – I know you can cite all of the very impressive reasons why we should all be grateful that Decade Dixon is our coach, but please tell me what Pat Sandler did this year to deserve to be fired? The guy has been here a long time. What happened?

Comment by PO'd Panther 05.03.13 @ 9:18 pm

Upitt and PO’d…can always count on you guys to rewrite history.

Comment by panther94 05.03.13 @ 9:46 pm

PO’d…your stupid nickname for Dixon will not stick. Well, maybe it will with Upitt, but that’s probably it. Upitt, I agree with Emel.

Comment by panther94 05.03.13 @ 9:53 pm

I haven’t said that Sandler deserves to be fired. I don’t know the arrangement that he and Dixon had, that kept him Pittsburgh and off the road. And he must be a good coach; I don’t think he would’ve lasted as a non-recruiter if he wasn’t. But it is clear that in the day and age of one and done, and kids transferring like it’s free agency, it’s all hands on deck and more recruiting has to be done. And if Sandler wouldn’t travel, then he’s the odd man out. And I’m not saying that’s a good thing — only that it’s obvious he can’t stay in Pittsburgh and recruit.

Comment by velvil 05.03.13 @ 9:54 pm

As far as the Pedersen hate. I have yet to see on this blog — and I’ve been reading it for much longer than most of the names I see on here lately — a rationale explanation for the hate. I’m not saying I like him. I just want someone to explain why the hate.

Comment by velvil 05.03.13 @ 9:58 pm

Just to list the football crap…no on-campus stadium, wanny fired, haywood hired (and fired), fraud graham, etc, etc. There’s more…anyone else?

Comment by panther94 05.03.13 @ 10:02 pm

Haywood is enough in my eyes. But to add to that, fire wanny, it’s okay in my book but have a plan and a man in place when you let him go. Graham 1 year, if he did his homework or paid his recruiters to do their’s he would have known Graham was a flight risk. They are southern and his wife is southern, long term that wasn’t going to fit in her plans. He then hired Chryst who the jury is out on. No game day experience, no stadium on campus, uniform looks like Navy or ND. All sports outside of Baseball and or Wrestling albeit both play in a weak conference are very bad. Dixon has had by all accounts average seasons and he rewards him with a 10 year deal. Lastly, he alienated the bigger alumni and past players with his decisions.If you need more reasons phone Nebraksa and they can share the Callahan debacle.

Comment by Upittbaseball 05.03.13 @ 10:26 pm

link to bleacherreport.com

LOL This was written about 1 week before the coach who was to bring disclipline to Pitt beat up his ex wife.

Need more reasons? Read this from a Nebraska fan… I feel for Pitt right now. I am a Husker fan and have been for years and what Steve Pederson did to this program is just unacceptable and now he is doing the same with another tradional College Football team. He has no clue or desire too what makes College football tick. It’s tradition and honor that stands between college and pros; he just doesn’t get that . He is an awful AD and hopefully will get canned before it’s too late at Pitt. Trust me it will only get worse the more time this jack wagon has at the reins. Please no other College hire this clown; he is poison to your sport programs!!!!!!!!

Comment by Upittbaseball 05.03.13 @ 10:32 pm

Comment by Upittbaseball 05.03.13 @ 10:43 pm

Wow, that article goes back a couple years. I know we disagree on a lot, Upitt, but I respect your passion.

Comment by panther94 05.03.13 @ 10:49 pm

Panther94, lol… Just googled fire Steve Pederson and a ton came up. Have a good night man. Pens should were flat tonight. Enjoy our weekend!

Comment by Upittbaseball 05.03.13 @ 10:52 pm

Was close, but should have won. You have a good one as well…I’ll be on here as usual.

Comment by panther94 05.03.13 @ 10:55 pm

Disagree with your point about Pederson. He has a friendship with the chancellor who brought him back immediately after Nebraska dumped him. It’s his job to make sure his coaches have the funds they need. Pederson is very culpable. Given his and Nordenberg’s long tenures, it shouldn’t be a problem (and, conversely, UPMC hasn’t lacked any funds it needed to expand)

Comment by TonyinHouston 05.03.13 @ 11:39 pm

Pederson had a good first run as Pitt AD and deserved consideration for re-hire.

Same for Johnny Majors

Comment by wbb 05.04.13 @ 5:49 am

PO’d Panther, you asked what happened that Sandle should be let go … do you believe Dokish? From Panther Prey:

Rohrssen will replace Patrick Sandle who has been an assistant with the Panthers since 2003. Sandle did not recruit on the road, which was his decision. That left the Panthers with two assistants recruiting on the road instead of the usual three. According to sources, Dixon wants to have three coaches on the road due to the fact that recent player departures has left him with a depleted roster which needs to be filled quickly.
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It seems to me that Sandle sealed his own fate. Just like any one of us, if we weren’t doing the job and we would be let go by our manager

Comment by wbb 05.04.13 @ 6:30 am

wbb:
You are so wrong. By the time Johnny Majors resurfaced for the Pitt job the second time, it was well-known he had a drinking problem. Why would he take the Pitt job again when the circumstances were completely different from what he walked into in 1973?

Pederson wasn’t jusst fired from Nebraska. He was run out of town, hung in effigy.

Neither of these guys should have been considered for rehire.

Comment by TonyinHouston 05.04.13 @ 6:42 am

Wow. This has turned into the whiner board. No matter what the news is it gets turned into fire Pederson, bring back the script and we have no on campus stadium. Same posts every single day. There really are other things to discuss.

Comment by notrocketscience 05.04.13 @ 6:52 am

Tony, you have me wrong. My angle is that Pederson deserved consideration to be rehired just like Majors …and as Majors who was then subsequently fired (I believe by Pederson but not sure), so too should Pederson IMO

Comment by wbb 05.04.13 @ 6:59 am

Tony, fact is that while there may have been justification for firing Wanny (unwarranted IMO), not being prepared for the subsequent step of hiring a replacement is incompetence … and yet to do it for the 2nd time (just as at Nebraska) is the epitome of incompetence.

If you or I, or Reed or Chas would have made a comparable major error in our line of work, we would have been let go…. provided of course our manager really cared about our department’s performance (and that sadly may be the rub)

Comment by wbb 05.04.13 @ 7:10 am

To all Pederson supporters.
Pederson’s record at Pitt is as follows:
Fired wanny without replacement in line
Humiliated Pitt with the Haywood hire/fire with public knowledge that he had a love child
Hired Graham in a panic; panic he helped create
Blindsided by Graham (meaning his fellow AD’s won’t share info with him) going to ASU
Pitt women’s basketball falls to 0-for 2 years in Big East Cellar…0 for 2 friggen’ years!!!
Lowest donations in Big East football schools….Big East football is the bottom dweller.
Love that new Pitt track don’t you?
Pitt football attendance falls to lowest level since move to Heinz
Name one person who donates because of him.
I sure as Hell can’t.
The Pitt athletic department can’t get out of its own way…
You like his so much, you hire him.

Comment by sfpitt 05.04.13 @ 7:47 am

The other coaches Jamie is recruiting against must be telling these kid’s “don’t go to Pitt if you want to showcase your self. You will be stuck in a ten man rotation, your minutes will be down and all the talk will be about defense. Good luck getting to the pros with that system”. Every kid thinks they have a shot at the NBA even if it is just a pipe dream. You have to have the Calipari-used car salesman approach to get kids these days. Dixon is a good coach, just not sure his style is what the modern day player wants to hear anymore.

Comment by Wayne 05.04.13 @ 7:48 am

and to all, on above posting, I didn’t even get to the part where he had to beg Nordy to drastically raise the salary in order to hire a guy who bailed out on Pitt.

I’m pretty sure Nordy wouldn’t have approved Wanny’s firing had he known he would end up paying a new coach almost twice what Wanny was making

Comment by wbb 05.04.13 @ 7:53 am

wbb, Agreed! In spite of the time it took Wanny to get things going, WV up-set and the Cincinatti game, he was only one season removed from a good year, when he was fired. I thought he deserved a least another year. The circus that followed with Heywood then Graham was very damaging to the program. Sometimes “no move” is better, than a bad one.

I’m a also a bit perplexed about the all the criticism directed at Jamie Dixon. He has only really had one bad season, in the last 10 years and in his tenure, Pitt has had the best extended run of success in basketball EVER. I don’t believe it’s anyone’s fault that Steven Adams decided to go to the NBA. You don’t throw the baby out with the bath water.

Comment by Justinian 05.04.13 @ 8:02 am

wayne good post

Comment by FRANKCAN 05.04.13 @ 8:11 am

Wayne, Pitt has used a 10 man rotation for 1 season. They did it this past year, because they didn’t have the complete players they’ve had in the past. If you look back a few years with the Lavance Fields, DeJuan Blair, Sam Young group, you will see that they had a short bench. That’s adjusting to the personnel that you have. People recruiting against you, will always denigrate your program. It’s how some people recruit.

Comment by Justinian 05.04.13 @ 9:06 am

You all have opinions about SP & Nordy, and I ask you to read this article about CSU’s OCS. You know I’m a big proponent for an OCS, and TX_Panther and I will pull your “strings” at some future point, but read this article and just think “Athletics” not stadium, and you will understand that Pitt’s focus from the top misses the primary purpose of Pitt’s Athletics and those of a great college program, in general…

link to colostate.edu

Comment by CompLit 05.04.13 @ 9:13 am

Question not trying to start a rumor just a
question i have not seen a close up photo of dixon
for 3 or 4 years till the one in panther lair
yesterday.
is dixon sick does he have something wrong with him
he looks all most as old as me and he is still young
has he aged that much in 4 years

Comment by FRANKCAN 05.04.13 @ 9:36 am

working in an “asylum” does that to people. Even PC doesn’t “smile” anymore.

Comment by CompLit 05.04.13 @ 9:40 am

Biggest blunder was Pitt Stadium.

Now, before some jump on me with a “hear we go again, Pitt Stadium, blah, blah, blah”, that is not what I’m saying.

Yes, I miss Pitt Stadium, however, that is not my point.

It is the fact that Pederson did not have a plan for the football team after tearing down Pitt Stadium.

Yes, The Pete is wonderful.

However, his plan for football was to move to an off-campus pro stadium.

Anyone that follows college sports, would tell you playing in a pro stadium is horrible. It’s off-campus, there is no atmosphere, hard to get to for the students, no fun for the fans after the game, nowhere to go. Alumni don’t get to hang around campus all day. Go to bookstore, lunch, have some cocktails. Nothin’.

This is nothing new, a college playing in a pro stadium not working has been known to all for 40 years.

The one, and only one way Heinz has atmosphere, is if there are 65,000 people there. That has happened a couple times in 12 years.

Who does that lie upon?? The athletic director. He was quoted as saying that he would have Heinz Field sold out, this is going to work out wonderfully, and it would be the place to be in Pittsburgh on a Saturday afternoon or evening.

Please, please, no excuses. We know them all, and some may even be valid. Not enough of a fan base, playing in a Pro town, not a big enough alumni and on and on and on.

He said that he would make it happen. He knew the “excuses” going in. None the less, he said he would make it happen.

Don’t get mad at me. HE said it!!

12 years later, we got 30K fans and 30K giant packets of mustard staring at us and any television audience every Saturday.

It is not tearing down Pitt Stadium!!!

It is tearing down Pitt Stadium without having a plan, or at best, having a known very poor plan for the football program.

Comment by Dan 05.04.13 @ 9:54 am

@COMPLIT, just saw your link, after I posted ‘War and Peace’.

Fantastic. Someone at Colorado State really did their homework and put together one of the most fantastic presentations I’ve ever seen.

P.S. I’m not even talking about whether CSU will have a new stadium or not.

The clarity, reasoning, and transparency of the presentation was a breath of fresh air to read.

I did not read all of it of course, but I would suggest anyone on the Blather, click on the link and peruse it.

Comment by Dan 05.04.13 @ 10:09 am

Dan good points. Pederson never has a plan. Fire Wanny then what? I’d have had Wanny’s replacement identified before he was let go. They Haywood, then Graham, lol it’s a circus and Nordy has to much power if he doesn’t have the balls or spine to fire him. We need athletic guys over athletic guys not chancellors that know nothing about athletics.

Comment by Upittbaseball 05.04.13 @ 10:10 am

DAN you know how there was a basketball court
under pitt stadium from years ago.
that is what should have been done when they took the stadium down.
they should have stacked them once agein basketball
on the bottom football on top.
and every thing could have benn just as big as it is basketball 12000 seats may be 40000 for football

Comment by FRANKCAN 05.04.13 @ 10:15 am

Dan, I won’t disagree with you. I happen to be one of the people who loved Pitt Stadium. It had great sight line for watching the game. To me I would rather be closer to the action than to have the amenities. In the top rows of Pitt Stadium, you were closer to the action than anywhere in the upper deck of Heinz Field. Peterson’s excuse was that the attendance problems were due to parking issues and to being in Oakland. Being in fancy new Stadium has done nothing to cure the attendance problems. NEWS FLASH, winning football puts people in the seats. Not flashy spread offences, fancy pro Stadiums, or the Jumbo-Tron, but good football. If you have that, people will put up with parking issues, Oakland traffic, or any other bullshit excuse.

Comment by Justinian 05.04.13 @ 10:36 am

May I?? Thank you. To those that post and complain they’re talking about the same thing, or to those that only read, and say they’re talking about the same thing…………..

Please start a new topic. We’ll talk about it. We’ve been having quite a bit of Pitt baseball talk on here the past couple days. We’ve talked about Pitt bars we used to go to, away football trips, even off Pitt subjects like old movies, quotes from old movies etc. etc..

You’ve got the POWER!!! Write a paragraph or two on a subject, and start a new conversation!!!!

If it’s interesting, I’ll guarantee some people comment about it.

Don’t just sit back and bitch at the posters or the subjects being spoken about.

Comment by Dan 05.04.13 @ 10:41 am

DAN Amen i belive what we have here is a failure
to communicate. what there is no crying in baseball

Comment by FRANKCAN 05.04.13 @ 11:20 am

I hated Pitt stadium to go. It was a classic place that needed some improvements but it held history.

I think a new smaller stadium effort should be started now and the ACC money can help. Heinz is nice but for the students it is terrible.

Comment by Frank MD 05.04.13 @ 11:24 am

Dan, I agree you know UPitt will comment. Start a new subject notrocketscience.

Comment by Upittbaseball 05.04.13 @ 11:40 am

@ Frank MD, Justinian and others…

Google: “Pitt Stadium Concept”

Comment by CompLit 05.04.13 @ 11:43 am

I don’t care about the students. They are irrelevant from a financial perspective. I care about winning football games and filling the stadium with enthusiastic paying adults. All we need to do is win and they will come. And would enjoy a script throwback jersey this fall.

Comment by RayHpgh 05.04.13 @ 11:48 am

Pitt would be tied for 1st in Baseball after the road win at G-Town yesterday, but the Irish blew a 2 run lead to USF with 2 outs in the ninth and then lost in 19 innings. 34-11 and 13-3 in league. Scholarships will be increasing from 9.3 to 11.7 next year as we move into the best baseball league in the country. We should be able to add some southern talent to the roster. If we could just drum up some interest from the local media we could easily make this team an event next year and pack that albeit little stadium all season. Little, but very nice stadium I should add.

Comment by Pantherman 05.04.13 @ 11:50 am

have not been to oakland for 30 years or more
so dont jump me if this question is dumb
but i read there is a lot of space given to
intramural basketball and outher things and the
pederson event center it self.

could a football stadium be built above any or all of them on archs or subports you knows the bottom of stadium would be like a roof over them they would stll be there.
is the foot print big enough any were for that
were are the architects

Comment by FRANKCAN 05.04.13 @ 11:56 am

Regardless of whether the Pitt football games are at Heinz Field or in Oakland I would find a way to go. I just don’t like the upper Deck of Heinz because you’re too far away from the action, for my taste. I would rather watch a game on TV, than from high in the upper deck, or in the corners. We need a sustained commitment to excellence to be successful. If the Panthers can put together a strong program, the fans will follow.

Comment by Justinian 05.04.13 @ 11:59 am

Heinz has a shelf life of 25 years. And we are already half way through it. Time for Pitt to begin planning for their new home. Will it be a new Rooney stadium in Washington County or a new stadium on campus in Oakland. I prefer an OCS that we can call our own and not rent from someone. An OCS is a commitment to excellence. An OFF campus stadium is a path to mediocrity. Again, how can basketball play at the Pete instead of the Consol but Pitt plays at Heinz? Pitt needs a true home field advantage and a stadium built for the college experience and not the pros. I guess Nordy wants Pitt to be a basketball school. But, football pays the bills. What a contradiction.

Comment by TX Panther 05.04.13 @ 12:21 pm

@Upittbaseball, agreed.

I do want to make a point. Wasn’t really picking on anyone. Notrocketscience has lots of good comments.

My comment was more a positive. I’ve seen many times (hardly ever seen) posters come on and say, “oh, same stuff. Whining about this, whining about that, that’s why I don’t read this anymore”.

I’m saying, anyone who is reading this, can easily post on here.

Chas has one of the easiest sign ups on the internet. Pick a name, type in your email address and you can be commenting in about 7 seconds.

Also know. The comments usually follow Chas’ topic. Which is mostly Pitt football and basketball. That’s what this is. So, ya, we hash over a lot of the same stuff. That’s what this though. A blog about Pitt football and basketball or any other sports. By that definition, you are going to talk about the same stuff. Coaches, players, venues, recruiting.

I mean, if you’re coming on here looking for dialogue over the Arab/Israeli conflict, or the Great Castles of England, you probably want to find another site.

As for hashing the same stuff over, that’s what I’m saying. Give us a new topic. Lead us. Most of us will comment.

I’ve never seen Chas’ scold anyone for talking about just about anything though, and lots of subjects come up. Mostly will be about Pitt athletics.

Hell, one of his posts turned into about 30 Godfather quotes.

I’m not being a jerk in anyway. I am being totally sincere.

Give us something else to talk about. I’m sure Chas would encourage more people to comment.

Comment by Dan 05.04.13 @ 12:28 pm

dan what abought the stadium as a roof over outher things.all you would need on the ground is one hundred and forty yards build it in the shape of a funnel wide at the top narrow on the bottom it would be a roof to what ever all ready exists
would it work any engineers on here use archs

Comment by FRANKCAN 05.04.13 @ 1:02 pm

Dan, personally I favor the castels outside of England. My favorite happens to be in Spain – Castle Coco – or is it Cocoa?

Comment by marcus of schaumburg 05.04.13 @ 1:09 pm

Saw something about the SEC and ESPN partnering up on some type of television contract. Not sure about the specifics. Just wondering if this will in some way affect the relationship between ESPN and the ACC.

Comment by Floyd 05.04.13 @ 1:21 pm

Guys – You want a thought out concept for a stadium. Go here and volunteer! Piit News was getting ready to do an article on it and we were going to approach Chas to start a thread. But go here:

http://www.panther-hollow.org

Read, it thoroughly as there is lots of information, ideas and concepts. We’re looking for people to get involved. The non-profit is in the middle of being formed. We need your ideas and expertise, fundraising, talking to people, handling social media, legal stuff. TX_Panther and I have laid the groundwork. We have others involved, now we need YOU!

Again, reed through it all before you say “It’s Not Gonna Happen”. There are people that DO, and those who whine about doing anything.

Comment by CompLit 05.04.13 @ 1:29 pm

P.S. Our first goal is a feasibility study..

Comment by CompLit 05.04.13 @ 1:32 pm

@COMPLIT, HOLY COW!!!! Everyone on here, should at least take a look at CompLit’s link.

Even if you think it won’t happen or can’t.

COMPLIT, you and your group have put a lot of hard work into this. Very professional

I’m blown away. I had no idea!!!

Fantastic. I will donate and volunteer.

WOW is all I can say.

Comment by Dan 05.04.13 @ 2:34 pm

p.s., I’m not overly excited that it will happen, I don’t have to temper my excitement, I know all about all of the problems.

I’m overly excited, at the amount of work COMPLIT and Co. have put into this idea.

Comment by Dan 05.04.13 @ 2:37 pm

p.s. CompLit, you know how many structures, buildings and roads have been built when people said, “there’s no way, there’s no room”.

I’m sure you do.

Comment by Dan 05.04.13 @ 2:44 pm

The goal is to reach the feasibility study phase but that will take donations. Once the non profit is formed, we’ll be on our way.

In addition, we’d like to commission some architectural renderings of this land development concept anchored by the new stadium. Seeing will then be believing.

Please take some time and visit the site. Comment and critique. Volunteer and join the cause if you like.

Just two guys with full time jobs and families made it this far. Imagine what some more passionate supporters could do.

This is more than just a stadium. We’re dreaming big for Oakland, the City, the university, the students, the fans, and alumni. Help the dream become reality over time. This is just the beginning of a fun journey.

Mike Andra
Class of 1992

H2P!

Comment by TX Panther 05.04.13 @ 2:53 pm

Thanks Dan.. “I are a Pitt civil eng’neer”, but I fix computers – go figure…

Sign up, we’ll email you and keep you up to speed on what we’re doing (a make you part of it).

Same goes for everyone else!

Comment by CompLit 05.04.13 @ 2:55 pm

Many kudo’s TX Panther!!

Comment by Dan 05.04.13 @ 2:56 pm

& Me

John Mack
’74 & ’77

Comment by CompLit 05.04.13 @ 2:56 pm

I know the boys at HOK Sports VERY as we did 5 NFL/MLB projects together. They now are know as Populous! link to populous.com

Comment by Upittbaseball 05.04.13 @ 3:11 pm

link to populous.com. All this for 250M dirt cheap!

Comment by Upittbaseball 05.04.13 @ 3:15 pm

wbb:
Firing Wannstedt with no real plan would have gotten Pederson terminated almost anywhere else. I agree with you and wrote as much using my real name on bleacher report.

Comment by TonyinHouston 05.04.13 @ 3:33 pm

To those unhappy with any topics here: start your own website. Or go to Cardiac Hill. Many of us on this board donate to Pitt athletics, attend games, or are active in other ways with Pitt. If you’re bored, or disengaged, or want to call us whiners,feel free to do so. In your little fantasy world everything is just right with Pitt athletics. Reality is such a bitch, isn’t it?

In case you haven’t figured it out, Pederson is not King George III in his madness era, tucked away in Windsor Castle. Pederson is still making decisions for Pitt, he impacts the athletic department everyday. The fact that he just doesn’t get it continues to denigrate the athletic department.

Many of us haven’t just whined. We have written letters to Nordenberg, withheld donations, networked with other alums. Maybe you need to find another website where more adolescent items rule the day.

Comment by TonyinHouston 05.04.13 @ 3:41 pm

Well Upittbaseball – sign up on the PHP site – we’re already making plans for your skillset!

Comment by CompLit 05.04.13 @ 3:46 pm

@TonyinHouston, I’ve always said, “it ain’t called whining if there really is a problem”.

Comment by Dan 05.04.13 @ 4:10 pm

I was thinking the stadium piece alone would be 250M and then another 250M for the other components like dorms, classrooms, office space, retail, light rail depot station and parking garage. The site explains the components and rough cost estimates along with a pathwway to fund them. A more detailed cost breakdown and funding workstream would obviously be included in the feasibility study and the total cost will be dependent on how grand the development becomes. But now is the time to start planning or at least discussing the possibilities. That’s the fun part.

Other schools are realizing the benefits of multi purpose development projects centering around a stadium. A place where people can live, work and play. A place that can be used all year round and not just on game day. A place that draws people back to campus to connect with the university and neighborhood. A place where new traditions can be created. A place where we all can take great pride. A place to call our own.

Let’s at least talk about it and bring forth facts and not opinions. We’d love to hear the different perspectives on both sides. If after visiting the site and you still have questions or want to discuss things in greater detail, I’ll provide you with my personal phone and email.

Comment by TX Panther 05.04.13 @ 5:25 pm

If Pitt builds an OCS it must be of more use than just a few football games. The University and the city must profit from its existence. The way to do that is to build something that fills a need in the City and region. A domed stadium would fill that need. You could still have a view of the Cathedral by making that end of the stadium a wall of windows (I think one of the Pro domed stadiums has this feature.). And keep it small…50,000 seats or so. There are many year-round events that such a venue could host. The University makes money, the city makes money…everybody wins!

Comment by HbgFrank 05.04.13 @ 6:22 pm

Very astute point about Adams playing time. Your right he did not do much for the team this year.
Hey, can you explain how the same team without Adams lost 10 more games or how the opponents scored 10 less points per game against Pitt with Adams then with Taylor and Zanna in the post.
This was only playing 23 minutes. Consider the difference if he played 30 or more in the defensive improvement and the number of wins.
If you believe Adams was not the difference between 2010-2012 and 2012-2013 record and defense statistics then you I have to say it know less about basketball then your statement above indicates. I do not like to dump on anyone else but let me ask who was the last 1st round pick from Pitt or any college team selected in the first round in the NBA who played half of the game during his college season before the draft.
Do you think maybe Dixon, just possibly screwed up again in player time on the court. Your probably right Taylor, who will not be drafted, was Adams equal defensively and offensively if Dixon let Adams play (dribbled the entire lenght from half court beating 2 chasing guards and layed the shot up over the rim; dribbled on the baseline and came up under the rim and layed the ball in. Against Dixon’s instructions made 3 out of 4 20 ft. jump shots facing the basket which is his best offesive weapon). Comparing Adams to Taylor is like saying that Woodall is a better ball handler and penetrator than Robinson this would not suprise me either.

Comment by pittisit 05.04.13 @ 6:50 pm

A good bit of the time Adams spent on the bench was due to foul trouble.

Comment by HbgFrank 05.04.13 @ 8:55 pm

Quality starting pitching and run support send the Panthers to a 13-3 win down at Povich Field against G-town. Way to go men! Can we get out a broom on Sunday? Just take care of your business Pitt! H2P UPone

Comment by UPone 05.04.13 @ 9:31 pm

While Adams was a huge component of a better defensive team, it was the also the fact the JD finally recognized they needed to play more Zone defense, which kept Adams in the paint and NOT chasing around ppl 25 feet away from the hoop.
Keeping Adams in the paint allowed him to play more ‘help’ defense as well which was sorely lacking the previous season.

The Zone also helped hide the inadequacies of our perimeter defense most notably, Woodall, who always had trouble keeping his man in front of him and not blowing past.

Which is why it’s paramount we land a big Center, like Uchebo this year, or we face having Zanna at Center and he is just not a very good defender, especially at the 5. So our defense could revert back to the 2011-2012 matador defense team.

And for a team that struggles to score offensively, playing porous defense will lead to many problems and many losses in conf.

So go get a true Big Man, and as you saw with Adams it doesn’t matter if he scores much, it’s the defense he would provide that matters.

Comment by EMel 05.04.13 @ 11:02 pm

As far as the OCS. As I stated previously, PITT stadium should have never been torn down unless it was to replace it with a new PITT stadium, which also included a basketball venue. Since football is what Pitt was known for in 1999 and PITT football actually won National Championships in. 9 in fact. We have won NO OTHER national championships in ANY sport BUT FOOTBALL !

In addition,
NOBODY tears down on campus stadiums to go play in an off campus Pro stadiums. Since we all know football is the economic engine that drives everything else, why on Earth would anyone lessen that economic engine. Not to mention all the historical relevance of all the great players, coaches and teams that played in Pitt Stadium.
Totally absurd it was. Only a guy who isn’t a Pitt man wouldn’t care, and he didn’t.

And he had the money from John Peterson, of Erie Insurance and that was close enough to his name, for the new basketball arena. And in fact a lot of ppl still think the basketball arena is named after our beloved Steve Pederson. Did John Peterson even get honored with recognition at a game?

We could have played at Heinz Field temporarily while a New Pitt Stadium complex was built, in exactly the same footprint where it was, as all that space behind The Pete is being wasted.

Very poor planning, just like the no plan when he asked DW to resign. And we lucked into the ACC, SP played no part in that whatsoever. If you want to thank someone, thank Gene DeFillipo who kept Uconn from being invited which led to us being invited.

In addition to stripping PITT of it’s football heritage and most of the famous players of the past who want no part of SP, he also stripped us of our unique moniker of Pitt and had not DW returned, we’d still be in those hideous uni’s with PITTSBURGH across the front and even worse Chipmunk decal helmets. Not that it mattered to this moron that Pitt and Pitt script was the latest great era of Pitt (not PITTSBURGH) football. And he didn’t care a hoot that Hall of Fame players like Tony Dorsett, Dan Marino, Curtis Martin and too many here to mention ALL played in those Pitt Script helmets and colors.

What utter arrogance !!

Comment by EMel 05.04.13 @ 11:27 pm

Many here complain and blame pederson for his handling of the Wanny debacle. That is just one area where he erred. The bigger area is Pitt athletics in general. All sports. We are a laughingstock and an embarrasment (except in baseball this year).

My point has always been to look at the background and resume’s of the top 15 AD’ teams in football last year. Our guy is not even close. The results don’t lie. You can have both athletics and academic superiority. You just need an AD with a vision in order to get this accomplished. We do not have one.

Before canning Pederson, you need to have a back-up plan. So who would we get that is better? The key components are to get someone who can build consensus between, media(local and national), alumni, administration, faculty and students. Pederson fails in all those areas except for administration.The top 15 programs have that. Several in those institutions are in name only that handle the big stuff and delegate the other day to day tasks. Not our guy, he is about control. Need more proof our guy is terrible? How many of his direct reports have left for AD jobs elsewhere? NO strategic planning!

In order of importance in fixables : The Script, bring it back. The player alumni, bring them back and stay close to them. Right now,they despise you Mr. Pederson. The media – I put them behind the former players because the former players can help sway the media by reaching out to the media, using their influence to sway. WIN -commit to winning. There is no commitment from the AD, period! Don’t blame Nordy here. If Pederson had balls, he would require support from the administration or leave. At some point in your professional career, you either get support for what you are doing or you go where you can get it. Takes confidence and Pederson has none. Arrogance yes, confidence, no.Well stated EMEL. Finally, get a stadium on campus. ACtally plan ahead 6 years to get one and then sell it to recruits. Good news about a 6 year plan for a stadium is that once you start, it defines your career and allws you to leave a lasting legacy. What will he be known for now? Read the comments for the reality!! Thanks for letting me vent, but he must go!

Comment by dhuffdaddy 05.05.13 @ 9:40 am

@CompLit and TxPanther – I’ll help.

Comment by Pitt Dad 05.05.13 @ 10:38 am

Well said EMel. +1 HTP.

Comment by pittbluegold 05.05.13 @ 10:39 am

@ Pitt Dad – Go to PHP website, signup (under Volunteer & Support) and we’ll “drag you kicking and screaming” onboard!

Comment by CompLit 05.05.13 @ 10:43 am

Here is a really informative story of Rohrssen from Pantherdigest. Note that even did a great job of graudating players at Manhattan

link to pittsburgh.scout.com

Comment by wbb 05.05.13 @ 12:14 pm

info for basketball the top targets are all most
the same uchebo and nkos ali but they now want
sheldon jeter and deandre kane
kane is trouble and most years would not touch hin
but he can play the game and it would only be for 1 year.
pitt is no longer all in on chad frazier my be
he should have signed when he had the chance.

Comment by FRANKCAN 05.05.13 @ 12:19 pm

Chad Frazier chose UAB over Pitt according to Twitter and Ray Fittapaldo from the PG. Not that he was even that good of a player, but losing out to UAB says a lot.

Ali had offers from Prarie View A&M and one other low level team. It’s a joke for Pitt to offer that talent level. Funny thing is – they still probably won’t get him.

Kane can play the game if you’re looking for an out of control shooting guard who can’t shoot. Probably a less-talented version of Trey Zeigler, if that’s possible.

They still have no center or even a backup to play when Zanna (who will be forced to play there) is in foul trouble.

Nine total scholarship players (assuming Moore goes). That tells you a heck of a lot.

This program is quickly moving backward and there are no 2014 recruits on the horizon that makes things look brighter. I wasn’t opposed to Dixon staying, but giving him a 10-year contract (which I am sure teams are using against us in the recruiting) was another of Steve Pederson’s great decisions. Yikes.

Comment by Mac 05.05.13 @ 1:59 pm

Mac well said and they bring slice in when it is to late.
he will help next year but this year we could be
screwed
we need a center so bad i would even take Ali

Comment by FRANKCAN 05.05.13 @ 2:17 pm

CHECK THIS OUT.
Duquesne picked up a commitment from jc foward mckoy
Duquesne lands foward LG Gill.
jonathan holton has commited to WVU
chad frazier has commited to UAB
are these players any good well LG Gill is
but that is not the point pitt has offered every one and his brother and they have said no thanks get lost do we have small pox at pitt or what.

the point is every one else signs players WTF.

Comment by FRANKCAN 05.05.13 @ 2:39 pm

SWEEP completed from Bethesda! 6-2 Panthers over G-town! Way to handle your business! Hail to Pitt! UPone

Comment by UPone 05.05.13 @ 2:43 pm

BB teams are using our stability at the HC position against us? What would that pitch be? “Hey kid, don’t go to Pitt because Coach Dixon will be there for at least six years after you graduate from college!”

Comment by HbgFrank 05.05.13 @ 2:45 pm

HbgFrank i dont see how that plays.
had you said they dont want to play in dixons syestem i could go for that but i dont see why they care who is there after they leave the school.
the point is we cant sign any body .
at this rate duquesne will be kicking are ass next time we play.

Comment by FRANKCAN 05.05.13 @ 2:58 pm

Dixon and the BB program in general are laughable. Give him another 10 years Pederson. Oh he would of gone to USC if we didn’t match??? Then let him go to USC. I don’t think his heart is in it anymore. Say what you want but if he truly cared please explain how he let this program fall so fall? We may need to schedule Gannon and Cal U just to hit 12 wins.

Comment by Upittbaseball 05.05.13 @ 3:07 pm

Fall so fast

Comment by Upittbaseball 05.05.13 @ 3:07 pm

Upittbaseball i know i am over stateing this
but it seams as if a outher schools says you want to come here the kid says were do i sign.

and if pitt says do you want to come here the kids say hell no get lost.
i dont get it WTF.

Comment by FRANKCAN 05.05.13 @ 3:15 pm

Sports broadcaster big Bob interviews Pitt coach
Dixon.
big Bob says coach i hear you cant recruit a center
coach Dixon says that is right big Bob.
big Bob says well what are you going to do abought
it coach.
coach Dixon says well big Bob i have a secret
weapon.

big Bob says what is that coach.

coach Dixon says i recruited a 2 foot tall point
guard.
big Bob says did you say a 2 foot tall point guard
Dixon says yes
big Bob says i dont get it coach how does a 2 foot
tall point guard solve your center problem

coach Dixon say well big Bob every time he dribbles the ball he will go between there
legs and hit them in the NUTS a good wack
hell there will be so many player laying
on the floor we cant lose a game.
big Bob says coach did i hear you right

Dixon say yes i cant belive no one else dident think oh it great plain

Comment by FRANKCAN 05.05.13 @ 4:23 pm

@UPone… How about this baseball team. That is the fifth conference sweep of the season and with Villanova up next we may be looking at a 6th. USF lost to Notre Dame today so we are now tied atop the conference and ahead of Louisville. The series against the Cards is 5/16-5/18 and the finale is on ESPNU. Everyone on here should be paying attention!

Comment by Pantherman 05.05.13 @ 5:14 pm

Gill was rate 2-stars as best I could see, and McKoy is a small forward, which is the last thing we need. There is no way Pitt goes anywhere near Holton. But there is no excuse for not landing Frazier.

Not one single commitment for 2014.

I know – this is all because Pat Sandle won’t go on the road to recruit.

Only 1 AD in the country would have given this guy a 10 year extension. And we have him.

We win more football games in the ACC than basketball next year.

Comment by PO'd Panther 05.05.13 @ 6:41 pm

POD PANTHER gill is a 2 star but has had some good
all star games and has been climbing up the boards
i think he will be a good one.
and is better than nothing which is what we got zip
nothing.
cant belive you did not like the 2 foot tall point guard.

Comment by FRANKCAN 05.05.13 @ 7:11 pm

@dhuffdaddy
I have a plan.
I would hire Tom Donahoe right now.

Comment by sfpitt 05.05.13 @ 7:19 pm

Could Pitts new baseball field have anything to do with Pitts recent success on the field?

Comment by TX Panther 05.06.13 @ 6:22 am

@ TX_Panther – Pride is a component (and a component of home field advantage), which translates onto the road!

Comment by CompLit 05.06.13 @ 7:47 am

HbgFrank:
You miss the entire point. Dixon’s long contract can be a turnoff to players who don’t want to play in his system. High profile players haven’t reached their potential recently. Dixon’s blind supporters will always denigrate the kids in their fealty to almighty Dixon. They apparently love Dixon’s system which has resulted in first-game exits from post season tournaments in the past few years.

Comment by TonyinHouston 05.06.13 @ 7:55 am

dhuffdaddy:
Getting rid of Pederson is only one part of the fix. Nordenberg has to go too. If old Nordy would put half of the energy he expends on expanding UPMC into athletics Pederson would shape up or be shipped out. Nordenberg is really the problem, at least in Pitt athletics.

Comment by TonyinHouston 05.06.13 @ 7:58 am

I was going to say something for TX_P’s argument, but couldn’t come up with the right words. But he makes a great point and here is an added component for an OCS.

When you play 6 home games at Heinz, those are usually the only six times a player is on that field for the season. As a receiver and quarterback, you don’t get a “feel” for line-of-sight, background colors, where the sun creeps through, shadows, effects of lights (at night). You are just a more frequent “visitor” in your own house. Add to that the slope of the field to the sidelines (natural drainage, vs. flatter fake-turf fields). For a field goal kicker, both these items apply in spades. This is really a big component of home-field advantage. I remember Majors and Sherrill pumping in crowd noise at Pitt Stadium for practices.

In your “own” house, you have a comfort level with how far 10 yards or 12 yards is. On the field, you cannot see the yard markers well and it is more of a gut reaction. Hell, even when I was in the Band, when we played at an away stadium, nothing “felt” right, am I in the right spot, home many steps & yards to my next position. When we peformed at Pitt Stadium, we knew where we belonged just by looking at our relationship to the stadium walls and sidelines (we didn’t have to think as hard, because it was natural (Pavlov’s Dog effect). Practicing all week on the South Side, no matter how great and state-of-the art the facilities, does not translate to the comfort level on game day.

Pitt’s football team is a visitor every week..

In basketball its the fans being close and right on top of you. Its the players knowing the dead spots on the court. Its knowing how tight the rims are.

And that my friends, is the essense of the “Home Field Advantage”

Comment by CompLit 05.06.13 @ 8:00 am

The Steelers practice at the same facility that Pitt does. They play their home games at Heinz. They have a homefield advantage because of the crowd. So if people would get off their asses on Saturdays and go to the Pitt games the same home field advantage would be there. I would also like an on campus facility but realize it ain’t going to happen.

Comment by JP 05.06.13 @ 8:33 am

@tony, I don’t understand your point about Dixon’s long contract being a turnoff. What kid would prefer to come to a school where there could be coaching turmoil as opposed to one that likely won’t have that. I mean, if they don’t like Dixon, then they won’t come here. No one would come to Pitt on the chance that he may get fired. Maybe I misunderstood what you’re sayin?

Comment by panther94 05.06.13 @ 8:39 am

“Heinz Field will be sold out, it will be the place to be on Saturday afternoons and evenings in Pittsburgh”. Steve Pederson.

100% on him. There are no excuses. NONE. He said he’d do it, knowing the paramaters in advance.

Comment by Dan 05.06.13 @ 9:05 am

Oh, he knew it would never happen???

He was just saying that to calm people down about Pitt Stadium???

Okay, that’s called LYING!!!

Comment by Dan 05.06.13 @ 9:07 am

@JP – There is a world of difference between a 24 yr. old pro and a 17 yr old kid in a football uniform. The pro’s spend a lot more time practicing in the stadium. The pro should be able to run 12 yd routes in his sleep. Just sayin’ there is a difference. :)

Comment by CompLit 05.06.13 @ 9:12 am

I don’t think any Pitt football player is excited to call Ketchup Field ‘our’ house. Pitt basketball players know what the ‘Pete’ does for them. No team in the country wants to play there. The ZOO is legendary and part of it is because the house is smaller, more intimate, screams PITT and the fans are right in your face. I think a smaller, college style stadium could help the football team intimidate teams just like the Pete. If you want to know, ask Pitt’s student athletes. I’m just expressing my opinion.

Comment by TX_Panther 05.06.13 @ 9:47 am

CompLit, to further your argument, a pro will spend approx 8 hours per weekday at the practice facility (practice on the field, meetings, film study, treatment, etc)… Mon, Wed, Thur, Fri .. although Monday is usally not a full day

College players spend less than half this time at the facility

Comment by wbb 05.06.13 @ 10:00 am

Why in the world would they build the Pete when the Consol Energy Center was in the plans and the best part it’s about 3-4 miles from Campus. Moronic Move by a NAIA Athletic Director. Football on the other hand is played about 7/8 miles and draws way more people. If I was a business owner on Pitt’s campus especially a bar, Hotel or eatery I’d be pissed. Keep it in Oakland but Pederson doesn’t get it because he never played ball or has a understanding of pride and Pittsburgh. I blame Nordy, he is a head of the machine and he accepts Pederson’s shit daily. That is unacceptable.

Comment by Upittbaseball 05.06.13 @ 11:26 am

Another subtle negative to playing at Heinz Field, the same field that the Steelers play on: Our kids play all of their home games there, by the end of their FR or SO year, there is nothing special about it. Now, say you are a kid playing for YSU or Bowling Green, or the U for that matter, this may be your only chance to ever play at Heinz Field. Those teams come in jacked up to play just becasue they are playing on the Steelers home field. I have to believe this does take a small amount away from our “home field” advantage. By the way, I love Heinz Field as a football venue. I’m just calling em as I see em.

Comment by HbgFrank 05.06.13 @ 11:28 am

No excuses for no room to build a stadium right in the city from the good folks at GT!

link to ramblinwreck.com

Comment by Upittbaseball 05.06.13 @ 11:28 am

The part that really irks me is b/c the stadium is shared it is never painted right and has stripes in the endzone on a NFL Sunday. Looks like a 9th grade game as far as field painted up. It’s a cluster F and there is one person to blame. Actually 2.. Nordy and Pederson.

Comment by Upittbaseball 05.06.13 @ 11:30 am

Upittbaseball – love the GT pict. Just rotate the endzone to face the big building on the left (thats The Cathedral) and that’s what Pitt needs to start planning for!

HTP !

Comment by CompLit 05.06.13 @ 11:46 am

Complit I agree! They rehabbed this stadium. It’s the oldest NCAA stadium out there. Built in 1913 I think. Pitt Stadium could easily have been remodeled. No foresight whatsoever.

Comment by Upittbaseball 05.06.13 @ 11:55 am

TonyinHouston, I couldn’t disagree more with your comments about Nordy. Under his watch the academic standing of most departments and schools has been elevated. Fund raising has increased dramatically. The quality and quantity of research, including outside funded research has increased dramatically Facilities have improved. Pitt is now truly a world class state university that we can be proud of. He has enabled Pitt to truly fulfill the mission of a university. Even in athletics many things are on the right track-facilities (football is a point of contention although the practice facility is exceptional), men’s basketball is consistently relevant in the national conversation for the first time in decades, baseball this year for the first time in a while and the recent women’s basketball hire looks like the get of the century. Don’t discount the financial stability of our athletics. It is important and not as easy as it may seem. Maryland got into serious financial trouble (and all they tried to do was renovate their stadium for which the anticipated revenue didn’t materialize) and then eliminated teams and jumped to the B1G in a desperate chase for the pot of gold. Even Michigan athletics got into a tight spot (and they have at least 112,000 at every home football game.) They had to hire a financial guy as athletic director for a few years to stabilize things on the financial side. He did that on the money side but did screw up by hiring Rich Rod. Having said all of this it is very possible Steve P. has completed his work at Pitt. Would a new ocs be good for Pitt and Pitt football-possibly. If you want that show me and more importantly Nordy and the BOT the money! Please don’t kick Nordy under the bus because of your and our frustrations with Pitt football and this year’s men’s basketball recruiting. When you do it sounds like you value athletics over a great university’s mission of teaching, research and service. I want stability in the football program (and we appear to be heading toward that) and winning (hopefully we are headed that way) as much as you do but not at the expense of trashing our university’s primary mission and the Chancellor who has led us this far. HTP!

Comment by OPFIM 05.06.13 @ 12:23 pm

They did something similar with the Rose Bowl. The bench seats were removed, and new seating with backs were installed, new press box, restrooms, and other amenities being added. That would have been the ticket. Pederson and company were convinced that being in Oakland with the access and parking issues hurt attendance. They believed that they would draw better at Heinz Field.

Comment by Justinian 05.06.13 @ 12:34 pm

Upittbaseball — Nothing like attending a football game at Bobby Dodd Stadium. I’ve been a Tech season ticket holder for over 15 years and enjoy every home game. The only sell-outs are against Georgia and the likes of Notre Dame when 55k+ jam the stadium. The Pitt game will draw around 45k. Can’t wait… :-)

Comment by MariettaMike 05.06.13 @ 12:43 pm

By-the-way, when Bobby Dodd was updated, the South end-zone was build with study rooms that are used on game day as catering (private) suites. Given that Tech is an Engineering School, the re-design was well though out and well received by Tech students and alumni.

The only poor seats in Bobby Dodd are where visitors sit — southeast end-zone.

Comment by MariettaMike 05.06.13 @ 12:49 pm

I admire Nordy for what he’s done on the academic side, I truly do, but the achievements on the athletic side are too little and too late.

Why did it take so long to build a home for our baseball and soccer teams?

Why are we still searching for a home for our track program?

Why can’t Pitt focus a little more and spend a little more on the quality of its facilities…its own and not shared facilities.

Yes – any real university’s goal is academics BUT an elite university needs proper balance between the mind and the body.

Pitt has consistently ranked near the bottom in overall athletics. Some of it is due to our inept AD. Some of it is due to our average facilities. Some of it is due to our Chancellor not striking the right balance and not fully comprehending what sports can do for a university in terms of brand equity, a better quality student and more diversified student body, and economic impact.

I chose Pitt over Penn State for the better athletic experience. It was a tie on academics if not a slight edge to Penn State at the time. Today, the better athletic experience is definitely found at Penn State despite what Sandusky and JoePa did to ruin football forever there.

It is embarrassing that Pitt does so well in academics yet so poorly in athletics. What is Pitt’s vision to improve our athletic ranking and to bring balance to the college experience? Nordy isn’t the visionary Pitt sports needs. We need another Chancellor to carry that torch and to continue and improve upon what Nordy has accomplished on the academic front.

That vision starts with a feasibility study for an OCS.

Comment by TX_Panther 05.06.13 @ 12:51 pm

I did some work there last Fall. Liked the City Atmosphere. Reminded me of Pitt till I saw an on-campus stadium.

Comment by Upittbaseball 05.06.13 @ 12:52 pm

There were no bad seat at the old Pitt Stadium. If you were down in first row, it was a good bit higher than the playing field, like the drop at the Pete, so no one was standing in front of you. If you were in top rows between the 30s, they were the best seats in the house, you could see the field and you not too far away to the presentations etc. Even in the corners of the end zone you could see the game well. I was sitting there during the Florida State the year after a loss to them in Telahassie cost Pitt a National Championship.

Comment by Justinian 05.06.13 @ 1:04 pm

What if we tore down Schenely High School and built there. There are ways to do anything but it isn’t a priority b/c their is no leadership in the AD.

Comment by Upittbaseball 05.06.13 @ 1:07 pm

@Upittbaseball. Here’s another thing, that many will feel is small potatos, and so minor, but I’ve always been a cross my t’s and dot my i’s kinda guy.

Are we going to have beautiful blue and gold ACC logos on our field. Like the rest of the conference does?

ACC logos, in the particular school colors at about each 20 yd line?

Anyone that watches college football knows what I’m talking about. And they are bright, and colorful and link together the schools that are in the conference.

Or will we just have some white chalk outline. A faded white chalk outline. Some faded blue and gold outline that you can hardly see.

Yep, it certainly is minor I guess, just how they run things, so to be expected.

Comment by Dan 05.06.13 @ 1:10 pm

@Dan – The Logos will be Steeler Yellow to match the seats.. :)

Comment by CompLit 05.06.13 @ 1:16 pm

I don’t know, did they ever even bother having a Big East logo on the field?? I’m drawing a blank in my mind. Go to 5 out of 6 of the games at least every year, I really can’t picture one.

I can picture that lame excuse of a Pitt logo in the middle of the field that looks like a local middle school drew on the field, with teachers yelling at them to not use to much chalk and don’t make it too big.

The logos aren’t comparable either. Talk to any marketing person, I’m sure the ACC logos shout out brand identity.

Hey, why bother, it’s just too much trouble.

No big deal. Nothin’s a big deal, right??

Comment by Dan 05.06.13 @ 1:20 pm

“Slice’ (Barry Rohrssen) on The Fan 93.7 in 5 minutes

Comment by wbb 05.06.13 @ 1:56 pm

Maybe the Pitt Admin has investments on the North Shore (NS)?

But on a more serious note:
How many of you tailgate & spend no money on the NS?
How many go to games and except for parking, spend no money on the NS before or after game?

How many party it up on the NS (not tailgating)?

If there was an OCS, would you change behavior?

Me, I’m a hit & run guy. I did spend $$$ and sober up time (eating) in Oakland in the day.

Comment by CompLit 05.06.13 @ 1:57 pm

The Pitt logo on the Heinz turf is pitiful – a hybrid basketball or baseball with Pitt written across. An embarrassment to the university.

Comment by TonyinHouston 05.06.13 @ 2:11 pm

My comments were specifically about Nordy and athletics. He has demonstrated in other areas (academics and UPMC if you like robber-baron health care organizations) bold initiative. Nordy knows what to do with athletics. He just hasn’t allocated the resources to do it. Pitt can be first class in both academics and athletics and avoid the slime that has engulfed USC, NC, Penn State, and OSU. It’s possible.

Comment by TonyinHouston 05.06.13 @ 2:26 pm

Uchebo signing with Pitt today.

Comment by Randy 05.06.13 @ 2:58 pm

Very hard to find fault with our chancellor from an academic perspective. If anything I would guess he would grade out very high in his peer group. The love affair with the AD is perplexing. As a kid who grew up spitting distance from Pitt Stadium I was distraught when it came down. In retrospect should we have built (or at least considered) a more massive complex that could’ve held both football & basketball (especially considering the size of the green space sitting next to the hoop court), yes. While I completely admire the panther hollow initiative and will consider participating, I cant help to wonder how realistic it is to move the Frick Arts Center, provide any additional parking, work around dedicated park space & figure out how to navigate what is the side of a hill all while preserving the integrity of the center of our unique campus that is littered with historic landmarks (cathedral, heinz chapel, museums & libraries, student union & another major university). Yet, the useful life of Heinz Field argument is valid & if we wait much longer we will be caught with our pants down while the Steelers negotiate with local authorities by threatening a move to Washington PA… I do love the idea of sight lines to the cathedral, but wouldnt it be more prudent to look at Trees Hall, the Field House & beyond? Wouldnt it be easier to buy the additional land we need up there? Couldnt we accommodate all the athletic departments needs there? Couldnt we argue that it would be a shot in the arm for the Hill District too? Certainly Trees & the Field House are well beyond their useful lives! While it is important to look at what other universities are doing, CSU & GA TECH are different animals. The topographical challenges of our city is a self limiting factor. As we all know, in this town you are either going up a hill or down one, we have no beltways & more bridges than anywhere in the world! I just dont know if our real need for an OCS would be best served by dropping a stadium essentially right on Forbes Ave. How many other inner city D1 FB programs from a major city east of the mississippi (say top 30 markets) have a on campus stadium (that sits over 40k)? OSU, GA TECH, UC (i dont think it sits 40k) its a short list right? As much as I want an OCS, I think we should be very careful (heck, we shouldnt have ever leveled Forbes Field!)

Comment by ptbreezeb 05.06.13 @ 3:02 pm

Matt Steinbrink is also reporting the Uchebo is signing with Pitt, and is trying to get in touch with him directly to confirm. Very, very welcome news!

Comment by Pantherman13 05.06.13 @ 3:04 pm

When Football is the Money Maker in College sports, one does not tear down your on campus football stadium to replace it with a basketball arena that sits 12,500. That is/was absurd.

I wasn’t in Pittsburgh when that happened, how in the heck did he get away with such a foolish thing?

While Pitt Stadium was indeed old, old can be cherished, just as Bobby Dodd Stadium is at GT, Notre Dame Stadium in South Bend, The Big House in Ann Arbor, The Cow Palace at Creepy Valley, The Rose Bowl for UCLA and indeed most college football stadiums are old. And old can be updated as far as seats, restrooms (for those that care where they piss when they’re drunk), refreshment stands, etc. Parking problems can be resolved with just a tad of thought, as in busing ppl from parking garages, etc.

Nope SP wanted something basically with his name on it. And Pitt stadium stood in the way of that.
Because remember he was remaking Pitt athletics in his image, teams were to be referred to as “PITTSURGH” by the media and TV announcers, so there was no room for something called Pitt Stadium. His vision was to start calling the University by a different name than it had been known as for over 80 years. lol

That takes a lot of gall and utter arrogance.

You take the four events; of him remaking Pitt athletics in his image(PITSBURGH & the GroundHog Head), the tearing down of an on campus stadium with NO PLANS to replace it ON CAMPUS, the NO PLAN to replace a coach who had won the most football games at Pitt in 30 years and someone who had built great relationships with all the HS coaches in PA, NJ & most of Ohio and the hires he made after that with Baby Daddy & High Octane & Penny.

And anybody standing a few feet away from this walking disaster would assume this person came to wreck all that is Pitt and Pitt football since Pop Warner and his protege Jock Sutherland with his Rose Bowl teams, graced the sidelines of Pitt Stadium.

Since we’re a State University is there anyway we can get the Governor or someone/anyone to fire this moron.

We should be entering a new era of Pitt athletics in the ACC with this clown in charge. imo

Hail to Pitt
Veritas et Virtus

Comment by EMel 05.06.13 @ 3:17 pm

Just got a confirmation of that Randy & Pantherman

Great News, exactly what we needed !!!

Jeff Borzello
One of the best JUCO bigs left on board. RT @RyanJamesMN: Joseph Uchebo just told me he signed with Pitt.

Comment by EMel 05.06.13 @ 3:33 pm

@ptbreezeb…

That was one of the spots we considered early on (there were about 6 places). Trees and The Fitz doesn’t have the “footprint”, so we started working down Wadsworth and Aliquippa Streets. The traffic and projected acquisition/road reconstruction on that steep of a hillside became a non-starter. We also looked at lower Oakland where Frazer Playground/Marino Field is located, but again a traffic nightmare and an awful long hike for students (trying to get away from busing).

The rail line gave us a boost in Panther Hollow as it solves several issues (2nd Ave. Parking), CMU Robo Needs and eventually north and south extensions. Take a look at the photos of PH under the bridge, it is not the “green space” they talk about. That space is from PH Lake going west up along Schenley Park (about 1/4 mi. south of the proposed area.

The Frick wasn’t designed for students. It was a classic library, classroom and art display setting. It has only been more recently that the art and architectural art departments have been using the basement as art studios. There is no natural lighting and not enough space to grow the program. Building a new enlarged basement along Forbes with skylights and such and then moving Frick over on top of it is NOT an engineering feat. It is done all the time by contractors all over the country.

Walking across Forbes and being in the business center (eateries and such) of Oakland is what we thought helped enhance the choice of that location. It didn’t hurt that Forbes Field used to be there.

Enough of me already……

Comment by CompLit 05.06.13 @ 3:46 pm

meant PH Lake going “east”

Comment by CompLit 05.06.13 @ 3:53 pm

one more … @ptbreezeb and others. Your comments, ideas and thoughts are what we are looking for. My above comment wasn’t a “smack”, it was just to say that we didn’t blindly pick the location to put in our effort. “Although I’ve always been enamoured with The Cathedral and I was married at Heinz Chapel. (only one has sexual overtones!)

Comment by CompLit 05.06.13 @ 4:01 pm

You’re right CompLit.

The Cathedral is a grand Gothic building and should be considered in any OCS. As it is the tallest OCB in the United States and is Pitt’s unique identifier.

I remember all the great ‘blimp views’ of Oakland when ABC sports televised Pitt games from Pitt Stadium. Loved the Big Panther on the side of the House overlooking Pitt Stadium, so he would need to be part of any new stadium, imo.

Comment by EMel 05.06.13 @ 4:44 pm

@Emel That’s what the dorms are for! We’ll have PPG etch the Panther in a wall of glass on that side of the dorms.

Crap – I love that idea, it’s going into the pot and get swirled around…

Comment by CompLit 05.06.13 @ 4:57 pm

I would go easy on Nordenberg. I struggle as to why he keeps Pederson around. But what he has done for the school has been outstanding. Top 100 in the world university rankings is pretty good.

The problem with Pitt Stadium was its location. Put the stadium down in the campus area, off of that hill, and without doing anything, you draw 10,000 more per game. Add some parking, and who knows. They should have rebuilt Pitt Stadium on the land the Forbes Field used to occupy, frankly. Put the law school on Cardiac Hill.

But it will never happen with Pederson as the AD. As noted by Emel, he is a “big picture” guy that likes to make bold moves, and needs something for his “legacy.” Moving out of Heinz would be an admission of failure. Not that failure is something new to him. Admitting probably is, however.

Comment by PO'd Panther 05.06.13 @ 6:54 pm

Some of you guys are laughable. Sorry I’m late to the party, so I will try to deconstruct the worst of them:

First of all, CSU (I live there) is a TERRIBLE comparison for an OCS for Pitt. Why? Because there is enough open land on campus to build a stadium. Not true for Pitt unless you raze 100s of homes.

Second, no land is only part of Pitt’s problem. There’s also no parking, and no decent access off the Parkway West for cars (same problem that doomed Ebbets Field, among others). So in addition to having to declare eminent domain and take & bulldoze 100s of homes & small businesses, you’d need to build a 4-lane road off I-376 (3 lanes inbound before games, 3 lanes outbound after), or else a light-rail spur.

In short, building new Yankee Stadium is a LOT closer model to new Pitt Stadium than CSU’s. In my educated opinion, the cost to build new Pitt Stadium would easily exceed $1 billion, and for a stadium that’s smaller than Heinz Field.

There’s no way you can justify spending that much money for a venue that’s used 6-8 times per year. Laughable….

Comment by Imma Man! Im 40! 05.06.13 @ 7:30 pm

One more important factor: Colorado is a right to work state. Meaning CSU’s new stadium, if built (no sure thing…) will likely be with non-union labor.

Think New Pitt Stadium would be open-shop? Ha! Since the answer is not just no but hell no, add another 30%, easily, to the cost (versus CSU’s).

Comment by Imma Man! Im 40! 05.06.13 @ 7:34 pm

Return on investment: Ignoring the cost of money, assuming a $1B pricetag (all-in) and using it an average of 7 times per year over 30 year life (too long, but humor me) means the University must collect tix revenues and/or divert TV money at the tune of almost $5 million per GAME just to reimburse the pricetag (let alone service bonds or pay off debt, cover O&M, etc).

Assume 10,000 seats (of 50,000 capacity) go to students who pay almost nothing, and 10,000 no-shows (could be more). That means every other of the 30,000 fans will pay the freight: avg of $150 per SEAT per GAME! And that’s before they pay for a coach, or any program costs, or whatever.

And with a more realistic scenario to include debt service, more like $300 per seat per game.

Like I said before: laughable.

Comment by Imma Man! Im 40! 05.06.13 @ 7:48 pm

Finally, Pitt would also need to build new dorms (no idea where…) to house the 100s of students which would be displaced by the razing of most of the South Oakland neighborhood.

Or, we can keep using an excellent stadium with easy access to the highway & light rail, with its comfortable seats, good sight lines, and modern scoreboard. And use the $1B elsewhere.

I do agree with what somebody said: yes they should improve the mid-field logo. But we can buy a LOT of field paint for $1B.

Laughable.

Comment by Imma Man! Im 40! 05.06.13 @ 7:54 pm

Imma, I am not laughing.

What you say is based on opinion and not facts. Let the study speak for itself.

The CSU study is meant to show how a real AD conducts business and how an OCS benefits not only the student body but the neighborhood at large. And yes it will cost more than CSU.

We will continue using Heinz until the Rooneys move to Washington County and then what. I for one don’t want to be caught with our pants down.

The concept wouldn’t raze hundreds of homes, and students wouldn’t be displaced. In fact they would get new dorms.

Please visit the site and educate yourself before making opinions. Keep the discussion focused on the facts please.

This concept is more than just a stadium but you would already know that if you visited the site. Your negative vibes are what Pitt doesn’t need but I appreciate your opinion.

But again, facts will move the discussion along. After educating yourself, please reach out directly to me and we can discuss. I’m interested in different perspectives but you will find that I will have an answer to most if not all your opinions since I have actually spent the time and performed my own due diligence over the past 4 months and don’t have knee jerk answers and flame.

Comment by TX Panther 05.06.13 @ 8:56 pm

@Imma Man, you know what is reall laugable?? With that 1 Billion in savings, they’ll still have a middle school looking logo at the center of the field.

Maybe they could use some of that savings to cover the 35k empty seats with some black or dark blue covers so they don’t stand out on tv.

The stadium is nice, the venue is one of the worst in college football. Right there with U of Miami and Pro Players stadium or whatever it’s called these days.

Something else laughable??? We actually bus college students to the games on school buses. The yellow and black kind!!!!

School buses that stack up until they are filled, so the kids have to sit there for over an hour until they head back to Oakland. That’s pretty laughable.

Comment by Dan 05.06.13 @ 9:15 pm

@CompLit. No, we never stay on the North Shore. We go in for the game, have a couple hot dogs and get the hell home.

At campus, we used to go down early in the a.m. for breakfast, then to the Pitt shop and the bookstore. Grab a couple beers in one of the bars. Always walked around campus.

Made a day out of it every time.

Comment by Dan 05.06.13 @ 9:17 pm

I wasn’t going to say this, but after some thought, I’ve decided I will.

Imma Man, you know, your comments and choice of words is rude, if not bordering on being a dick.

You certainly are entitled to your opinion. It is my opinion that you, using the word “laughable” in regards to the amount of work these two gentleman have put into the idea is not laughable.

I will assume you looked at the website. If you have, even a 7 year old could tell that they put a lot of work into the site, on top of a lot research into the idea.

You are entitled to your opinion, there may never be an on campus stadium, certainly the cards are stacked against it, but to call fellow Panthers ideas and hard work “laughable” is really low-rent at best.

Comment by Dan 05.06.13 @ 9:28 pm

I appreciate the work done on the plans for an on campus stadium. Getting the attention of the administration, having the clout to force them to listen,remain challenges. Who are the key alums to contact to support the OCS and, for that matter, other changes we want to see? We may not have the big bucks (and I mean no slight to anyone on this board who has the big bucks) but we certainly have enough field soldiers to make ourselves heard.

Nordenberg and his boy Pederson aren’t listening. We have to change that.

Comment by TonyinHouston 05.07.13 @ 8:24 am

In case anybody is still reading: Dan, you misconstrued what I wrote. I didn’t (and still don’t) use the word “laughable” in regards to the amount of work those two gentleman put into their idea.

The economics are what I described as laughable. $300 per seat per game means there will be even more empty seats than we have now.

Maybe unaffordable would be a better choice of words.

Comment by Imma Man! Im 40! 05.07.13 @ 7:00 pm

I apologize Imma Man. I’m no holier than thou, I did misunderstand you, and that’s on me. Sorry.

Comment by Dan 05.07.13 @ 9:39 pm

Check out our site. My revenue projections are there. Not sure where your 300 dollars is coming from. I have math to back up my forecast based on very reasonable and conservative assumptions. Still not laughing.

Comment by TX Panther 05.07.13 @ 9:51 pm

And no need to call me a gentleman. :)

Comment by TX Panther 05.07.13 @ 9:53 pm

Allthough, after perusing, I do see you actually started out with “some of you guys are laughable”. LOL

Comment by Dan 05.07.13 @ 9:59 pm

Avg ticket price over a 20 year period is assumed to be around 140 dollars.

This takes into account the price of the ticket and annual donation. Bleacher seats would be roughly 20 dollars per ticket and no required annual donation. Premium and priority seating with chairbacks would run about 50 dollars blended per ticket…flexes by yard line, and an annual donation of 500 dollars. Suites and boxes are paid for by annual license fees. That runs everyone in those suites about 600 per game…but a corporation pays for it.

Other revenues are generated through naming rights, advertising and sponsorships, merchandise sales, concessions, parking, office rentals, dorm room rent, other non gameday income.

Pitt breaks even by year 17. And the facility is built to last well over 50 years.

This project pays for itself. However we would need to raise nearly 300 million through private donations over a ten year period. That is roughly 50 dollars per year over ten for every Pitt fan…600k of them. But support would also come from non fans since its not just a stadium idea.

Comment by TX Panther 05.08.13 @ 6:10 am

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