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April 27, 2013

The situation with Khaynin Mosley-Smith, Eric Williams and Drew Carswell, is not as bad as it could be. But it really isn’t good. I won’t be surprised if all three never play again for Pitt. I also won’t be shocked if two of the three get reinstated by the start of camp in August.

To say they made some bad choices is putting it mildly.

Police had been conducting an ongoing investigation in South Oakland and bought 20 stamp bags of heroin for $185 on Thursday night outside a house on Juliet Street from a man identified as Darnell Reed-Young, 22, according to a criminal complaint.

Police obtained a search warrant for the house, and as they prepared to enter, a man identified as Khaynin Mosley-Smith, 21, left the house.

Mosley-Smith, a member of the Pitt football team, told police that he lived there.

When police searched the home early Friday, they found drug packaging material and paraphernalia. Also inside were Pitt players Eric Williams, 20, and Andrew Carswell, 21. Police found a digital scale with white residue in Carswell’s bedroom.

Police charged the three football players by summons with prohibited acts.

Reed-Young admitted selling the heroin to a detective, police said, and all three Pitt players live in the home. He was taken to the Allegheny County Jail and faces several drug-related charges, including possession with intent to deliver a controlled substance.

Do I think the three were shooting up or dealing? No. Do I think they were knowingly allowing someone who was dealing, do it from their place? Yes.

I think Carswell is done. With the scale in his room he is looking at being the most directly tied  to the dealer and his activities. Not simply knowing what the dealer does, but facilitating. He may be looking at only misdemeanor criminal charges, but those direct connections will be the reason he is almost certainly finished as a player on the football team.

As for Williams and Smith it is less clear. How much did they know? Cynically, do they have plausible deniability?

Now it is possible that Carswell falls on his sword for the other two. He might tell Chryst and the administration that it was all his fault. His “friend.” He let the guy use his room. The other two had nothing to do with it. They, at worst, were guilty of not wanting to get Carswell in trouble.

The problem with that is this part from the P-G story.

Once it was confirmed that the drugs purchased tested positive for heroin, the officers obtained a search warrant for the house. They then called for the city SWAT team to help execute it.

Investigators went in about 1:30 Friday morning. A search of the house revealed drug packaging material and paraphernalia in the common areas of the house, the complaint said.

That’s a little harder to explain away assuming “common areas” means what most of us presume it to mean.

There may be more to the story — there usually is — but right now it does look good for the future of the three as being members of the Pitt football team.





Big question is what will further investigation turn up as far as the possibility of other players who may have been regular visitors to the apartment? How about any parties that might have taken place there?

Let’s hope it stops here.

As for the three charged, don’t worry. They’ll be cut. It’s just a matter of time so that Pitt and the Athletic Department are able to make sure that proper protocol is being followed.

Important to note that Chryst did not recruit any of these players. Believe they may have been Wanny recruits?

But, what a stab in the back this is to Chryst and the program by these players who secretly chose to live on the University dime with an alleged drug dealer as their roommate.

Comment by PittofDreams 04.27.13 @ 10:30 am

It doesn’t look good. Also, I noticed it was posted on today’s MSN page. Even if it’s guilt by association, it’s a black-eye for the University and for the Pitt football program. I would be surprised if any of the three play another down at Pitt.

Comment by Justinian 04.27.13 @ 10:50 am

PittofDreams, you’re sounding a lot like Reed. My question to you is this ….

If these 3 were such bad seeds, then why didn’t the coaches or the admin deal with them before now?

I mean they have been part of this program for 3 years now, where the coaches had contact with them nearly every single day …. which is much, much, much, much more exposure than Wanny could have ever had while recruiting them

Comment by wbb 04.27.13 @ 11:09 am

Bye bye to all 3. Might as well clean house now. And announce to the rest of the team that any dead beats are free to leave now before they embarrass themselves like this. At least if we’re going to be losers on the field we might as well do it with our integrity in check.

Comment by Coach Ditka 04.27.13 @ 11:50 am

Agree with Wbb…you would think that DW was the only coach in America that recruited these three…All three had interest from other programs, including Syracuse, that well known landing spot for bad apples. Also, of the three Carswell had by far the most interest from major programs….I also don’t buy the fact that DW was fired because his players were getting into trouble. He was fired for losing big, nationally televised games on a regular basis. If we beat Cincy in 2009 and Uconn in 2010, and go to two straight BCS games, DW is our head coach today, player arrests or no player arrests. Look at the problems Myer had at Fla with arrests while there (26 or so) The great Alabama Crimson Tide just booted four players for a brutal crime. I’m not saying we should accept this, but lets not act like this is unheard of in college sports. It is pretty simple, when DW was our HC he was responsible for the well being of the program. Today that responsibility lies with HCPC.

Comment by HbgFrank 04.27.13 @ 12:07 pm

******
Pitt is by no means alone when dealing
with off the field issues. However drug
material in the
common area of the house? bags of Heroin?
That said let’s wait to hear the players side of
the story before passing judgment. My bet
Is they are headed to a lower classification in order
to play next fall.

Comment by JR 04.27.13 @ 12:44 pm

Sorry but they are gone! No tolerance policy when it comes to drugs. Chryst will make yet another suspension in just one year as a coach. It seems this team is like a bad episode of Days of Our Lives! But you get a lot of this all over the country especially on urban campuses! It just sucks it was Pitt!

Comment by Sweet Caroline 04.27.13 @ 1:15 pm

A problem that is coming out of the shadows…Pitt’s graduation rate.

I do not have the actual graduation rate numbers, however, the way things have been going the past several years they can’t be too good.

This can haunt us in the future and if the nonsense continues we could eventually face sanctions….Stevie it’s time to leave or to put it another way…Nordy please kick his ass out the door.

Comment by isnore 04.27.13 @ 1:48 pm

Don’t kid yourself, it’s not just an urban problem. This is going on in the affluent suburbs and rural schools like PSU. More kids get caught in the city because of more and better police.

This has always been the case. Not just with drugs. In many small towns and rural areas the police would turn the perpetrator over to the football coach. Remember JoePa making the team clean up the stadium as punishment for some malfeasance.

The rich kids have better lawyers and get to go quietly to expensive rehab.

If this was an isolated incident, it would be one thing, but when will we as Pitt Fans get to stop defending our Alma Mater for issue after issue to our friends and colleagues. We have become the butt of way too many jokes.

Sure these kids will be made an example of, but where is the leadership? When will the death by a thousand cuts end? When will we hear some good news?

Comment by gc 04.27.13 @ 2:02 pm

If anyone thinks this is a problem of urban schools then perhaps they should research what is going on at Auburn University (allegations ofdrugs, grade fixing, arm robbery).

I say let’s wait for the full accounting of things to occur. Would not be surprised to learn that one person let a bad “friend” hang around.

Comment by Pitt fan in Atlanta 04.27.13 @ 3:11 pm

Unless these guys are expelled from Pitt, I’m done donating to my alma mater. I have no tolerance for people associated with selling drugs. It may be that these guys did not sell drugs but they lived in a drug house so it’s guilt by association in my book. Good riddance to these “student” athletes.

Comment by MariettaMike 04.27.13 @ 3:26 pm

Stevie P., block letter Pitt football helmet made MSN!!!! At least it wasn’t your panthersaurus!!!

Maybe you should change to Pitt script to disassociate ourselves, from ourselves!!!!!

Comment by Dan 04.27.13 @ 3:43 pm

Why is the ad not held accountable for all of these problems? The buck should stop with him and he should be fired .

Comment by Kevin 04.27.13 @ 4:00 pm

Post Gazette articles says they will be charged with misdemeanor charges by mail. Can’t believe that the police believe that they are involved other than turning a blind eye. Let’s wait to hear the full story before determining punishment. Would at minimum require a piss test.

Comment by Pitt Fan in Atlanta 04.27.13 @ 4:02 pm

On a related note. I’ve never done drugs but we all might have found ourselves in similar situation had the police raided any of the many frat parties in north Oakland back during our time. Plenty of under age drinking and such.

Probably best to reserve judgement for now.

Comment by Pitt Fan in Atlanta 04.27.13 @ 4:06 pm

just checked the criminal dockets: all 3 charged with an ungraded misdemeanor: possession of drug paraphernalia (under prohibited acts in the Drug Act). In Alleg Co, that is often resolved at the prelim hrg with a disorderly conduct or some summary. Should be resolved early in the crim justice system.
but the comments above are appropriate.

Comment by Bossdaws 04.27.13 @ 4:06 pm

Mygawd, the stuff was in the home of 3 of our players. And the dealer doesn’t even live there!

If they get to play again I vote we leave the ACC and join the Patriot Conference.

Comment by steve1 04.27.13 @ 4:47 pm

Kick them all off the team if true. I’m sick of these entitled losers who can’t even appreciate and respect the incredible opportunity they’ve been given.

I know I know- “everyone makes mistakes”… But not drug-scales-in-my-apartment mistakes.

Comment by Dan35 04.27.13 @ 4:48 pm

Dan, hate to say this, but Pitt Script is synonymous with steroids.

“Fralic is 6 feet 5 inches and 280 pounds. Covert is 6-4, 280.

Both say they experimented with steroids at Pitt. Both say they don`t now. Both agree steroid use is a problem in the NFL.

Anabolic steroids are drugs that enhance muscle bulk and strength. They allow big men to get bigger and strong men to get stronger by lifting more weights. Steroids are not condoned by the league, but they are not illegal unless obtained without a prescription. When players are tested for drugs during their annual physical exams, no steroid testing is included.

When commissioner Pete Rozelle ordered random testing (and was stalled by an arbitrator), steroids were not of primary concern.

“As I read the papers, Rozelle didn`t mention he was going to deal with steroids,“ Fralic said. “I called him up and said I thought it was as big a problem as what you read in the papers. I thought it was something he should address. He said he would look into it.“

Defensive end Howie Long of the Los Angeles Raiders estimated in a Sports Illustrated article that 50 percent of the big men in football are on steroids. He argued that the unnatural weight gain causes muscle pulls.

Also, when artificially enhanced players run into other players on the football field, there is more chance of injury.

Long-term health risks are another argument against steroids. There haven`t been sufficient studies to prove there is no link between steroid use and cancer, for example.

Fralic and Covert shun steroids for another reason. They just don`t think it is right to use them.

“They`re made to get people who are anemic out of hospitals,“ Fralic said. “I don`t see anybody out on the field who`s anemic.“

Fralic and Covert aren`t sure if Long`s statistics are accurate.

“I just know a lot of people are using them,“ Fralic said.

“Kids are the ones who are suffering,“ Covert said. “When they see a player or a successful athlete and hear rumors that he takes steroids, they think the only way to get there is by doing that. That`s bad. You can get there by just being a hard-working person or by sacrificing. There is no easy way to get there no matter what you do.”

link to articles.chicagotribune.com

Comment by steve1 04.27.13 @ 4:54 pm

I’d rather be associated with steroids than heroin!!! LOL

Comment by Dan 04.27.13 @ 6:06 pm

All in all, if we’re gonna have these problems, and still be mediocre……….

what the hell, put the script back on and appease some of us!!! LOL

Comment by Dan 04.27.13 @ 6:08 pm

As far as comparing this to Frat Parties in North Oakland (and I was at many) or at CMU or where ever.

1. None of us were getting a Free Ride (scholarship) to the University

2. We weren’t student athletes representing the University

3. We weren’t shooting up Heroin. Nor were we distributing.

All 3 our associates of a heroin drug dealer who used their house as a distribution CENTER.

Sorry they all need thrown off the team, Yesterday.

Comment by EMel 04.27.13 @ 6:18 pm

** typo

All 3 are associates……

Comment by EMel 04.27.13 @ 6:19 pm

@steve1, I get your point, and actually, I believe 1/2 players probably are on steroids.

However, it wouldn’t be synonymous with Pitt would it???

I would say it is synonymous with football, especially pro, and sure, maybe college too, but there are 120 other div 1 teams that have had huge men for the last 30 or 40 years too, no??

Ah, regardless, quite the mess we always seem to be in.

If you google “name of university player arrested”, i.e. “kansas st. player arrested”, you will see that every other div 1 school has problems too.

I even did that last fall, picking 5 different teams and commented on it on here.

Did it again this morning. 5 random schools, you can’t believe the crap going on.

Anyone reading this, go ahead and try. Just pull up google.

Ya, even friggin’ Harvard and Yale. Brawls, cocaine, domestic battery.

Southern Cal has a guy that beat on his mom.

ND, PSU, WVU. Duke had a baseball player thrown out of school for selling cocaine two years ago.

Maybe it was football, can’t remember.

Kansas St even has a recruit, or should I say, had a recruit committ armed robbery right after signing day!!!!!!!

It does seem like it’s always us, and maybe we have more than most, but, they are all in it.

Very sad.

Society, you can almost hear the last flush of the toilet bowl!!!

Comment by Dan 04.27.13 @ 6:22 pm

Agree Dan35

Entitlement losers. And the scale was bad enough, how about 20 bags of Heroin.

Comment by EMel 04.27.13 @ 6:25 pm

This is a cultural thing Dan.

And really most of these punks shouldn’t even be in college. As most don’t have the grades. And then without EVEN being academically qualified to be in college, they’re coddled, dressed, tutored and fed 3 times a day like heirs to the throne.

We all know why they’re allowed in….MONEY !

It’s a disgrace imo and totally reflective of society as a whole. Universities and colleges are supposed to be teaching young ppl something.
They are a total fail when it comes to life’s lessons.

Comment by EMel 04.27.13 @ 6:32 pm

@EMEL. Thank you brother.

I didn’t want to post something like that earlier worried how I’d sound.

Glad you brought it up.

Ya, I stumbled out of Zelda’s many a times.

I was nowhere around known drug houses, (let’s face it, if there was a SWAT team involved, they weren’t there to get a couple guys smokin’ weed), this was a known nuisance house.

Call me a hypocrite, but I don’t equate some college kids drinking beer, to being involved with serious drugs, armed robbery, rape, domestic assault, weapons possesion etc. etc. (not just talking about Pitt, talking about all colleges”

Hell, didn’t Levance Fields have a gun at a bar a couple years ago??? WTF???

Again, as for the crimes I mentioned above, not talking about Pitt, but all schools.

Again, google it, you’d be really saddened to see the crap going on.

I’m no saint and no better than anyone else on this planet…………..

but please don’t lump me in with the ol’
“hey, you were young once” crap. That’s b.s..

Comment by Dan 04.27.13 @ 6:33 pm

Saw your post after I posted, yep Emel, you are right on the money!!

Comment by Dan 04.27.13 @ 6:35 pm

We have met the enemy and they are us! Yep, these are the people who you are depending on to fund your future social security benefits, good luck on collecting. They will be getting their entitlements while you are still waiting for yours that were actully bought and paid for years ago by your OWN honest hard labor “back in the day”. So ask yourself, where’s the cheese????

Comment by Dr. Tom 04.27.13 @ 6:35 pm

Wanna give the fella his due.

Tyree Glover, Duke football player, arrested for trafficing in cocaine.

Apr. 2011 Friggin’ Duke!!!! LOL

Anyhow, you could sit there all night googling every Div 1 team. You’d probably start by laughing, but, by the end you’d probably be crying!!!

Have a good weekend all!!!

Comment by Dan 04.27.13 @ 6:41 pm

Hey, do Clemson!!! Theres an article where some Clemson fan wants the number of arrests under Coach Dabo.

He’s in a fight with rival S.Carolina fan about who’s had more. Spurrier has had 49 players.

Guess the guy wants to show who’s cleaner, hoping Clemson has under 49!!!!

Thought he was just exaggerating. Looked it up.

Here’s the link to Gamecock arrests. Even universtiy members and coaches!!!!
link to web.archive.org

And I’m not defending Pitt. I’m saying it’s all crap!!!!

Comment by Dan 04.27.13 @ 6:46 pm

Last one for real. Heading out. Just pasting the link again to make it clearer.

It’s called Gamecock rapsheet.

link to web.archive.org

I really suggest taking a look. Has there photos and crimes, and some older USC fellas.

George Rogers arrested for cocaine distribution???

Who knew, I didn’t!!! Bye!!!

Comment by Dan 04.27.13 @ 6:51 pm

Get rid of these poopie heads right Now!

Comment by Hey Joe Where u Going 04.27.13 @ 7:01 pm

Agree Dan

This is going on at EVERY COLLEGE CAMPUS THAT PLAYS BIGTIME D1 SPORTS.

Actually it’s even going on at D2 & D3 colleges as well as they get some of the same ‘student athletes’. And it’s truly amazing it’s going on at those places since they’re not involved in the BiG MONEY aspect of D1 sports.

I guess it’s just a matter of little brother mimicking big brother.

Comment by EMel 04.27.13 @ 7:21 pm

@ Dan

That’s quite a litany of charges, crimes and assaults going on at South Carolina – Columbia.

PITT is like docile when compared.

Gotta love Steve Spurrier and his will to win.

At all costs !!

Comment by EMel 04.27.13 @ 7:29 pm

Ray Graham to the Texans is a great spot for him … he may have to sit but Ben Tate hasn’t exactly grabbed the 2nd string spot. Plus, Houston has a history with late / un-drafted players. Ray Graham in that one cut zone read will suit his talents to a tee.

Comment by Tossing Thabeets 04.27.13 @ 8:35 pm

It amazes me that in the year 2013 with everything we know about heroin. With the movies, the after-school specials, dead rock-stars, celebs etc etc …. people still do heroin. You would think with all this information available to them high school kids turning college kids would make better decisions in their choice of drugs.

“Hey, how about we try heroin?” “OKAY!!!!” “YAY!!!!” “HEROIN!!!” “TONIGHT IS GOING TO BE AWESOME!”

Comment by MelbaPlace 04.28.13 @ 12:37 am

There is no proof yet that any of the players were heroin users. Nonetheless, they of course should have known better and been more responsible … no excuse for taking residence with a dealer

Comment by wbb 04.28.13 @ 5:45 am

Dan – I agree with your premise that criminal/stupidity happens at every school. I do have a problem with your link. As a Gamecock season ticket holder, I know that this list has not been updated in 10 years.

Most of the “current” players listed last played for Lou Holtz or prior to him. South Carolina (the real USC)has had its share of law breakers including 5 time suspended but still starting QB Steven Garcia (until a better one came available in Garcia’s fifth year.) And let us not forget Garcia’s QB coach (T.A. Mangus) who was arrested in Greenville, SC for public urination.

Let’s wait for the facts and then PC’s actions before we chop off heads.

Comment by PITT-cocks fan 04.28.13 @ 7:06 am

Maybe scholarship athletes should have to live in campus housing. At least the football players it seems.

Never did like the joy so many took in PSU’s troubles (not necessarily on this blog.) This seems a bit like karma to me. I know the situations are galaxies apart, but we shouldn’t be pointing fingers and being holier than thou if our own house is such a mess.

Comment by JCE 04.28.13 @ 7:18 am

wbb – I posted this elsewhere but here’s my take on this issue…

“I agree that individual players make their own decisions but when you have a lot of incidents like these, and don’t kid yourself PITT has more than most other schools lately, then you have to start looking at the program itself and that starts with who is bringing in those problem players.

Here is something to think about. Take 115 guys from the general university population at random and compare them to 115 guys from the PITT football program over a period of four years and then determine what group has more problems. Now, that might not be scientific but I’ll bet the results would be eye popping.

PITT fans bitch about that SI article all the time but the results of that research are misunderstood. That wasn’t players arrested only while at PITT but the players on the roster who had ever been arrested before and during their PITT careers. Which is closer to the subject we are talking about.

OK – that article was printed in 2010 before PITT instituted any type of background checks into our recruits…these are the procedures PITT started after that last serious incident, Knox’s arrest, in 2010:

“Before this rash of arrests, Pitt had no procedure for screening football recruits for past trouble with the law. But after Knox’s arrest Pitt’s athletic department implemented a new policy requiring coaches to seek more detailed background information on potential recruits.

“This evaluation is not a legal criminal background check,” the school said in a statement. “Rather, it is a checklist of questions that attempts to gain greater knowledge of the behavior and citizenship of an individual prospect from a variety of people.”

So – I can think of one player recruited after DW’s last recruiting class to have gotten into legal trouble – Lafayette Pitts who was a Graham recruit and I consider Shell to be a Graham recruit also. We don’t have the history yet on players Chryst has recruited – this 2013 class and beyond will be all his choices so we’ll see how well all this plays out in the future.

Sure – there will be times kids get in trouble but I don’t see how looking more closely into a recruit’s past and using the results of that as an additional factor as to whether to offer him or not can be considered a bad thing.

There are a lot of schools who do just that and succeed on the field also. I believe Stanford doesn’t lower their academic standards for recruits.

Just look at the attrition from that 2010 class – 14 out of 24 players either transferred, were dismissed, were suspended for a year, were arrested and/or disciplined in some way. 58% of that class were disappointments in some way other than their play on the field. I’ll not do too much digging into this but I’m sure that is way above what most other D1 schools have to deal with.

The 2009 class had 12 out of 19 players who had disciplinary problems and eight who transferred out or were dismissed – a 50% rate.

When that happens it greatly affects the quality of play on the football field and leads to losing seasons. IMo if you want to have solid winning seasons you need to recruit quality athletes and have them on the roster for four years so that you can coach them and get the best play out of them during their JR & SR years that you can.

But when you have that type of attrition, 21 of 43 recruits who would be JRs and SRs in 2013 are no longer in the program, then that constant turnover means your talent in the upper class ranks is missing and you’re left with FR and SOs who aren’t ready to contribute yet or senior players who might not have been starters if the others had stayed and progressed over the years.

Just because I JR or SR is a starter doesn’t mean that there weren’t better and more talented players who might have started in front of them had they hadn’t had problems.

Gee – any wonder why these last two seasons have sucked? The talent level kept turning over and we had less talent among the upper class players. Think that might have been a factor in that we haven’t had anyone drafted in two years?

So, yes I believe a rising tide lifts all boats. Target kids who show the type of character that you want in a player, research into their background to get the true story and if you are faced with a choice between players alway take the one who has a track record of success in areas other than just football. The best starters are most usually the ones who are the most coachable and progress year to year. That won’t happen if our turnover is so high.

It doesn’t have to be one way or the other – talented criminals vs untalented angels as some on here state. It needs to be more positive than negative though.”

If you’ll notice I haven’t once said these kids were ‘bad seeds’ or have even called for their dismissals. My outlook on this is that when these things happen they demoralize others in the program along with hurting the talent level we can field on game days. All three of these players were starters and upperclassmen and if they are dismissed that is a big chunk of experience we lose.

It isn’t DW vs OC either. Here is another thought I wrote.

“I think Paul Chryst has been inconsistent with this also though. I wonder why an arrest for harassing and punching a kid in the face by three players is not deserving of any formal actions but then living in a house where a drug dealer resides also is. Chryst suspended six players for ‘breaking team rules’ the night before the opener then doesn’t do anything to three established starters just a few months later.

Again, it is inconsistent and I think that is a problem and sends a message to the other players on the roster.”

Successful programs that have solid upperclass players usually have good football teams, those that don’t, don’t.

Comment by Reed 04.28.13 @ 7:40 am

“DW vs PC”

We need an edit button on comments.

Comment by Reed 04.28.13 @ 7:42 am

Reed, to emphasize your point regarding how attrition affects talent, we need look no further than this weekend’s NFL Draft, with a big fat ZERO Panthers drafted. Sure there are more reasons for that than attrition, but it is certainly a factor.

A dearth of talent is the primary reason the program regressed the last 3 years after what appeared to be a springboard 2009 season. That lack of talent that resulted in poor on-field results ultimately led to the coaching turnover fiasco.

If you look at the number of draftees from some of Pitt’s conference foes, you could almost make the argument that Pitt has OVER-achieved: Rutgers had SEVEN players drafted. UConn had 5 – friggin UConn! No wonder we couldn’t beat them. Syracuse and USF 3 each.

Our hated rivals to the south and east had 3 and 4 respectively. Ga Tech was the only 2013 ACC foe with zero. FSU had 11. How do they not win the ACC every year?

Chryst not only needs to find some good citizens, he needs some who can actually play.

Lastly, anybody who thinks heroin or drug use in general is an urban problem is not paying attention. It is a suburban problem, a rural problem, a national problem. Addiction and drug abuse affects the poor, the rich, the middle class. If your family has not been directly affected, consider yourself fortunate.

Of course we don’t want dealing dope associated with Pitt athletes; we want, and should expect more from them as representatives of the university.

But other than their athletic ability, the players are more a reflection of the student population than we assume. Don’t forget that for every dealer, there are dozens of buyers. Most likely, many of the buyers are also Pitt students. Sad but true.

Comment by Iron Duke 04.28.13 @ 8:25 am

@Kevin

I think Steve P. is an idiot for firing Dave, but how in the world is the fact three players are associated with a drug dealer his fault? Pederson sucks, but come on…

These three criminals should be thrown from the university. I would rather lose than have them on the Panthers. And yes, it is a crime to be associated with a drug dealer.

Comment by Brian 04.28.13 @ 9:30 am

The pressure to win sometimes causes one to gravitate away from their established boundaries. Great post by Reed. DW and Fraud gravitated away from character expectation. Too early to grade PC.
I love Pitt athletics but winning at all cost isn’t ok with me. The reputation of the school from a branding perspective is way too important.
I don’t know what happened with these three kids and am of the opinion that we let it play out. If they are bad apples then they should go.
What is critical is that we have stability so they expectations can be created and enforced. 10 coaches in 40 years doesn’t allow for stability in terms of building a culture of expectation. I hope that PC works out. DW was a good start in some ways but we need a DW with strong discipline (the anticipated SI article is what ultimately got DW fired – not W’s and L’s)

Comment by Pitt fan in Atlanta 04.28.13 @ 9:44 am

Pitt made bad hires after DW was fired but that doesn’t mean firing DW was the mistake. Allowing DW to address the public with current players and not having a game plan following the firing was the mistake.

DW had run his course. He was bland, a bad game day coach and had a team riddled with trouble makers. Hiring Haywood was an awful fall back plan and hiring Fraud was desperation. Both came back to bite Pitt in the ass.

These arrests are a product of that disarray and shows that the purge is not yet complete. The quicker we get the DW era players out of the system the better. It’s unfortunate that they haven’t had the guidance most players get but that was the hand that was dealt. I’m not blaming DW for their actions because they’ve been through the ringer since he left. There haven’t been leaders on the team to stop them from going astray to set examples because of the coaching turmoil. I can’t wait for Chryst to get his guys in place. The sooner this happens the quieter Pitt’s offseason’s will get.

Comment by Tossing Thabeets 04.28.13 @ 10:10 am

Pitt fan in Atl, you’re being naive. You know who had more people arrested than Wanny in recent times …. Urbam Meyer at UF and JoePa at PSU (ESPN had special Behind the Lines episodes on both!) But neither were fired.

If Pitt wins the BE in 09 or 2010, Wanny is not fired and we are mostly likely spared of this circus we hve expereenced since Dec 2010.

Remember this:

1) the plaayer issues at Pitt was a one year deal. There is absolutely no evidence of this being a trend in the 6 years Wanny was at Pitt
2) Wanny was not hired by Pederson, and there were many behind the scenes disagreements between the 2 …. including the cutting of the recruiting budget after the 2008 season.
3) The SI article thus gave Steve the opening he was craving for, along with winning only 8 games in 2010
4) Wanny was the lowest paid HC in the BE but apparently had the highest expectations .. and I’m posiitve it took Idiot Steve about 5 days after firing Wanny to realze that fact (he apparently had no idea what HCs were being paid)
5) Wanny had a 2011 recruiting class that was highly rated, and to my knowledge, none of those players (most who went elsewhere) were problems

One more thing … it seems to have been forgotten that Wanny would actually show up at classrooms to check if his players were attending. Would a coach with the lack of character as Reed has portrayed him do something like this? His record of graduating players was actually exemplary

Comment by wbb 04.28.13 @ 10:23 am

OK, JoePa was fired but not due to the amount of his players’ arrested

Comment by wbb 04.28.13 @ 10:28 am

Glad they didn’t have fighting dogs.

Comment by alcofan 04.28.13 @ 10:32 am

Some good news: Ray Graham signs with Texans
link to blog.chron.com

Pitt baseball sweeps Cincy yesterday.

Comment by TonyinHouston 04.28.13 @ 10:34 am

Let me get straight to the point. DRUGS ARE FUCKING POISEN!
Anyone who deals or allows dealers are killers in one form or another.
I will have nothing to do with anyone or anything who tolerates this.
Spend an hour in the family of a kid addicted to drugs and see how forgiving you are to these criminals.
Sorry but I look for your friends and kids and loved ones on the FACES OF METH website.
Football ain’t that important!

Comment by SFPitt 04.28.13 @ 10:40 am

Like the rest of you, I follow Pitt sports everyday, several times a day. I don’t think Wannstedt was fired for poor on field performance, although the losses we don’t even need to mention didn’t help. It was the hit he was going to take in Sports Illustrated. I still believe lazy-ass Pederson never addressed the on field issues or the arrests prior to firing Wannstedt. Pederson freaked out, knowing full well Nordenberg had little intolerance for player arrests. Wannstedt may have been salvageable, but Pederson never gave him forewarning. Simply put, Pederson failed to do his part to lead the football program and to guide a head coach he was charged with supervising. Three and a half years after Pederson’s clumsy dismissal of Wannsted, there is still no evidence Pederson exercised the oversight of the football program he was bound by contract to do. We’ll never know until Wanny writes his tell-all.

Comment by TonyinHouston 04.28.13 @ 10:46 am

sorry..tolerance

Comment by TonyinHouston 04.28.13 @ 10:47 am

So Tony, if Pitt goes to BCS games in 2008, 2009, and 2010 DW still gets fired based on the SI article?

Comment by HbgFrank 04.28.13 @ 11:07 am

I understand that the three arrested Pitt football players were Criminal and Justice majors. I wonder if they went to class? I’d rather have Pitt drop football from its sports activities than settle on players of questionable character. There is more to Pitt life than football. Being associated with heroine dealing is the lowest form of human life. We Pitt alumni deserve better representation. Where are the Martha’s and Generalovich’s of this era? ????

Comment by MariettaMike 04.28.13 @ 12:17 pm

The PG hates Pitt. Article: “No Pitt players taken in draft again.” Picture: Penn State football player.

Comment by panther94 04.28.13 @ 12:33 pm

Looks like pitt has a new basketball player juco 6’4″ Chad Frazier a shooting guard We need him to finalize and sign Pitt is it!

Comment by Hey Joe Where u Going 04.28.13 @ 1:01 pm

I agree with my fellow Atlantan (Marietta Mike). Pitt is bigger than football and therefore an intolerance to bad citizenship should be the expectation at the university.
I also agree with TnHouston that leadership in the AD position matters. One common theme to repeated problems with players despite multiple coaches is …. Pederson. I am not saying he needs to go but he needs to answer for the recurring problems with discipline under his watch.

Again I don’t know the full details of the recent Sting Operation and I am willing to reserve judgement but … Enough is enough. A team that under achieves and gets in trouble is a two striker in by my count.

With the transfers, expulsions, and suspensions it is setting up to be a humbling welcome to the ACC on Labor Day night

Comment by Pitt fan in Atlanta 04.28.13 @ 1:08 pm

hey joe dont count on chad frazier at pitt till he signs his loi.
becuse he has decommited from 2 teams all ready oklahoma st and A&M so dont count on him till he signs the LOI.

Comment by FRANKCAN 04.28.13 @ 1:17 pm

It’s amazing that some here actually think these kids have a future with the team.

Comment by PittofDreams 04.28.13 @ 1:22 pm

These schools that have kids in trouble and arrested at least win games. Out kids are constantly in trouble and we never win anything even though we played on one of the nations west football conferences. The AD Department falls under Steve Pederson. He sits on top of the food chain therefor this is his problem. He is killing our beloved university and still many of you praise him because he built the Pete which had many issues and he ch paw to answer the phone when the ACC called him. He’s a f ing disaster and laughing stock of all AD’s in the business. I know a few and they Just shake there heads. Not Nordyke though. We give him 700k to be a cancer.

Comment by Upittbaseball 04.28.13 @ 1:26 pm

Spellcheck killed my post. Nordy not Nordyke

Comment by Upittbaseball 04.28.13 @ 1:30 pm

Panther94, the story is 100% fact. The post gazette could have phrased it better but it’s a sad fact that in 2 years not one player got drafted.

Comment by Upittbaseball 04.28.13 @ 1:32 pm

It is of no minor import that these kids were living on the University “Dime” while allegedly allowing a heroine dealer to turn their apartment into an on-campus drug depot.

A key question is whether the players’ bank accounts and/or credit card accounts show that they might have actually been getting some kick-back from their alleged drug dealer friend for making their apartment available?

Curious if the authorities are checking into this possibility or if it’s being completely overlooked?

Comment by PittofDreams 04.28.13 @ 1:35 pm

@uptt, I’m not denying the facts. You said they could have phrased it better…that’s what I was pointing out.

Comment by panther94 04.28.13 @ 2:16 pm

Thank whomever that the ludicrous NFL Draft is history. The talking heads at the mics were having fun and getting more wealthy—as were the draftees. One of my conclusions was that Paul Chryst must be a better coach than some give him credit for because his rookie Pitt season produced more “ups than downs”. No Pitt gridder was chosen by the so called experts on the payrolls of the pro teams. They must know something??? But, Paul Chryst put together a fairly decent squad in 2012. He made lemonade from lemons. I’m particularly thinking of the South Bend game which should have been won by the Panthers and with some unbiased officiating would have been. This corner us anxiously awaiting Chryst’s next two recruiting classes. I believe Pitt finally has a made a good hire wit the former Badger OC. The future will tell the tale!! Aye mates!!! Rev. George from Columbus

Comment by Rev. George Mehaffey 04.28.13 @ 2:32 pm

Rev who knows. The only thing I know is Alabama made Norte Dame look like a disorganized 8th grade team. They should never have been playing a team of Alabama’s level. I’d rather see a 4 loss SEC team play them. Chryst definitely had little to no talent and the same can be said for this year with the exception of 2 to 3 freshman. Not good.

Comment by Upittbaseball 04.28.13 @ 2:43 pm

Not sure what you are talking about. Pitt has some very good players this year -Thomas, Pitts, Holtz, Donald, etc. who will play in the NFL. GO PITT

Comment by RayHpgh 04.28.13 @ 4:29 pm

Ray, how many of the kids you mentioned will go in the first, second, third rounds? Pretty good kids doesn’t win unless we are playing Youngstown State. Oops, you get my point.

Comment by Upittbaseball 04.28.13 @ 4:53 pm

A basketball note a top shooting guard from N.C. decomitted to U.C.L.A. because Howland was fired.
Could be a strech but maybe he liked Howland’s style of ball. If so maybe Dixon’s. Gives him a chances to come home playing in ACC. Aleix Freeman ranked 65th in nation (6’4″).
Kansas and Duke offerred.
Just dreaming

Comment by pittisit 04.28.13 @ 5:38 pm

I scanned down this list to see if someone blamed Steve Pederson. Sure enough….

Comment by Imma Man! Im 40! 04.28.13 @ 5:44 pm

I still think Jarred Holley will play in the NFL

link to lehighvalleylive.com

Comment by steve1 04.28.13 @ 5:49 pm

Upittbaseball, I much prefer Rev. George’s the glass is 51% full vs your 91% empty approach. Comparing Notre Dame or anyone other than another top level SEC team to Alabama is ridiculous. Alabama should just move to the NFL.

Pitt has the potential in its players and coaching staff for us to optimistically look forward to their winning 7 games this year if things (injuries, delinquent behavior etc.) break the right way. And if things really break the right way………

Regarding the three knuckleheads, if the facts keep indicating that things are the way they seem HCPC should cut them loose. I’d like to think that they can be salvaged as human beings but at this point this probably can best happen outside the football program.

Some of you are getting all warm and fuzzy about DW. While I do think he is a good guy and a good Pitt man it is funny that I seem to remember many complaints on this blog about him not being prepared on game day, not being able to win the big ones, not being able to win in the crunch. Perhaps I am delusional or was dreaming. Ok, I’m going to shut up before I sound like even more of a curmudgeon than I already do. HTP!

Comment by OPFIM 04.28.13 @ 6:01 pm

My point exactly. Bama should have played LSU, Georgia, Tex AM. Make it a game. No one else is close. Yes Steve Pederson is to blame. It happened on his watch. He is the AD. He is a joke. 91% is about right with our performance on and off the field in both hoops and football. Thank The Lord for baseball.

Comment by Upittbaseball 04.28.13 @ 6:11 pm

The PG hates Pitt. Article: “No Pitt players taken in draft again.” Picture: Penn State football player.

Comment by panther94 04.28.13 @ 12:33 pm

What’s new. That’s being going on for over 30 years. I suggest all PITT ppl just boycott that ragsheet.

Comment by EMel 04.28.13 @ 6:40 pm

Lots of times they’ll post Pedo State articles on the PITT page. Just to irritate us. The f*cks.

Comment by EMel 04.28.13 @ 6:41 pm

I see Reed is on his anti-DW rant so:

Blaming this on DW is way too convenient.

In fact it’s laughable.

DW hasn’t been around since 2010 and didn’t let these 3 kids associate with a heroin drug dealer.

Reed that is way off base.

>Also posting that scout link on the 2010 recruiting class and using that as some sort of evidence because of the high attrition rate.

Let me see…the 2010 class had 4 different Head Coaches in 3 years (DW, Heyward, Graham & Chryst).

Do you think that might have had something to do with the high attrition rate. lol (just maybe)

Get serious dude.

Which is the NCAA record for most amount of Head Coaches in a 3 year period. Pitt finally has a record in the NCAA record books to be proud of.

There were so many in such a short time it even confuses me sometimes.

>And yet the AD is still here collecting his huge paycheck and his agts are out blaming DW.

Comment by EMel 04.28.13 @ 6:47 pm

While we are all waiting to find out what level of stupidity and legality has occurred, I thought I would share a few stories about herion.

When I enrolled my daughter in an all white urban HS, I was shocked when she told me that “dime bags” of herion were being sold in the bathroom daily. I thought she was exagerating until her best friend hung himself while high and my daughter developed addictions to H, alcohal etc.

I had to move her to a new HS and spend 3 years of her living with me to sober her up. She is lucky to be alive and if it wasn’t for her basketball skills, no doubt she would be dead today. Today,she is one of the youngest principals in Baltimore and I am proud of what she accomplished but we barely speak because of the 3 year period of tough love we spent together.

I coached BBall at 3 different HS’s. Heroin was the #1 or # 2 problem at all 3. These were high end suburban HSchools so this is NOT just an inner city problem.

I hope you will all take my story into accound when all the facts come out. Unless the 3 players were being held by a “gang’ at gunpoint and forced to live at that house….I think they should all be prosecuted to the max and toseed off the team immediately.

Comment by Dan 72 04.28.13 @ 6:58 pm

My point exactly. Bama should have played LSU, Georgia, Tex AM. Make it a game. No one else is close. Yes Steve Pederson is to blame. It happened on his watch. He is the AD. He is a joke. 91% is about right with our performance on and off the field in both hoops and football. Thank The Lord for baseball.

Comment by Upittbaseball 04.28.13 @ 6:11 pm

Bama just played LSU the year before for the NC.
NOBODY but SEC ppl wanted to see them play another SEC for the NC.

Both Oregon & Kansas State would have given Bama a better game than ND. Who knows one of them might have beaten them. Texas A & M did.

ND was annoited to go the NC game last year, if Pitt’s game (29-26 OT) wasn’t proof enough, then might I suggest you watch the key plays on Youtube of the ND/BYU game (17-14) and the ND/Stanford game (20-13).

ND should have had 3 losses last year and played exactly like a 3 loss team in the blowout loss to Alabama.

Hey but it deliver the intended result. Biggest TV ratings for a NC game !

Comment by EMel 04.28.13 @ 7:00 pm

Thanks for sharing your story Dan72. I hope you and your daughter work things out.

Comment by panther94 04.28.13 @ 7:03 pm

Excellent post Dan 72

Thanks for sharing that with us and I feel for you friend. Hopefully you and your daughter will have a reconciliation.

I like to think of myself of being somewhat informed but I had no idea Heroin has made such a comeback in our school. Probably because I have no children and the main stream news media is keeping this hidden as possible. Because of various factors no doubt, dealing with the Billion’s being spend on Public Education in this country, the Teacher’s Unions and the Dept of Uneduction.

And as I posted previously, at the least, the 3 are living in a Heroin Distribution Center and need to be off the team, as early as Yesterday.
And quite frankly they should be expelled from
Pitt promptly as well.

Our University should stand for something and let’s take the lead in this kind of matter and turn a disgusting Negative into a Positive.
Something other univerities can model themselves after in how we handle this situation.

That is called Leadership and that is what is sorely lacking in America today.

Pitt has the opportunity here to become a Leader.
I hope someone in the University has the courage to do what is necessary.

Comment by EMel 04.28.13 @ 7:11 pm

Twitter is blowing up with word that J.J. Moore is transferring…what the hell is going on?

Comment by Kenny Powers 04.28.13 @ 7:12 pm

Hearing the same thing about JJ!

Comment by Moe Greene 04.28.13 @ 7:24 pm

That was the rumor on twitter several weeks ago.

If he leaves no big deal, just more playing time for Mike Young.

And yes another open scholie !!!

Comment by EMel 04.28.13 @ 7:26 pm

Emel, you crack me up. No one would touch Bama last year or probably this year. Foster will get reps as well. Hell the gamecocks as average team in the SEC had 8 guys drafted. No idea on Bama but I’m sure 10+

Comment by Upittbaseball 04.28.13 @ 7:30 pm

kenny powers i saw that this is the fifth time he has done this but has never really done it.
so i would wait and see.

Comment by FRANKCAN 04.28.13 @ 7:30 pm

Yea I see that

Alex Schwartz RT @tsnmike: RT @JonRothstein: Pitt’s J.J. Moore will transfer, per a source. 6-6 wing has one year of eligibility remaining.

Some other guy named Alex Klein is reporting it too !

Comment by EMel 04.28.13 @ 7:31 pm

upittbaseball.

You seem to forget Texas A &M beat Bama on Bama’s home field. So obviously they were beatable.
No ?

Comment by EMel 04.28.13 @ 7:32 pm

If the SEC was so great.

How did Louisville (from the worst BCS conference) rout the 2nd best SEC team, that being the great Florida Gators in the Sugar Bowl.

Surely a lowly BigEast team could not beat the 2nd best SEC team with all those NFL prospects and draftees.

You SEC ppl kill me.

Comment by EMel 04.28.13 @ 7:35 pm

I wouldn’t say it’s no big deal. It’s not the end of the world either though. I’ll be curious to hear what the rationale for his leaving was.

What’s that leave us with? 5 guys who played last year?

Robinson, Zanna, Wright, Johnson and Patterson?

Sheesh

Comment by Kenny Powers 04.28.13 @ 7:36 pm

Rumor on Rivals that Pitt is about to land Frazier, Freeman and either Marcus (Purdue Sr. Transfer) or Uchebo. If that’s the case maybe Moore thinks he will not see the floor next season?

Comment by pitt1972 04.28.13 @ 7:36 pm

EMel joe uchebo will vist minnesota
if they sign him some one at pitt should hang
there head in shame.
to be beat out bye minnesota is worse then severe
to fordum.

Comment by FRANKCAN 04.28.13 @ 7:37 pm

@ Dan 72 and EMel
As the parent of a 10 year old, the threat of drugs is number one on my list. I can only imagine the anxiety and heartbreak you endured Dan.
Society climbs all over itself for cowards with bombs but “justifies” cowards with drugs. Boston closed itself to the world but the drug trade went on unimpeded.
Simply stated these things kill people, they destroy families and they incubate other crimes and other criminals.
There are higher punishments in PA for doing these things near schools…what a croc! As if simple geography matters to these peddlers of torture.
Get them out of Pitt right now!!!

Comment by SFPitt 04.28.13 @ 7:40 pm

Upittbaseball, you seem to think playing in the NFL in not a great accomplishment, well you are wrong. It does not matter what round you are drafted in. You stii have to make the team. Pitt has many good college players and a few pros like always.

Comment by RayHpgh 04.28.13 @ 7:42 pm

Other than the non-con and games against DePaul, JJ Moore’s contribution to the team is/was negligible.

Just when you thought he was “getting it” he would go into a funk and disappear for 10 games.

JJ was in love with his 3 point shot, problem was most of them never went in (33 % overall, far lower in conf. games)

2012-2013 8 ppg & 3 rpg

Comment by EMel 04.28.13 @ 7:46 pm

EMel i read that this is the fifth time the jj
transfer has been out there i would wait and see it has never happened before might be all smoke.

but if true we are fucked next year we were all ready down to many players and dixon has signed
all most none,

dont count on freeman or chad frazier till they sign a loi it is all talk and chad has decommited from 2 schools all ready.

Comment by FRANKCAN 04.28.13 @ 7:46 pm

@ Frankcan

Minnesota was in the Round of 32 I believe so they did better than Pitt in the NCAA’s.
Certainly Fordham who has won like 6 A-10 conf. games in 6 years isn’t on par with the Gophers.

Ironically the Gophers beat our old buddy’s team, UCLA in the 1rst round, in a game they said Howland had to win to have ANY chance of keeping his job.

I believe Minnesota fired Tubby Smith after the Gophers got crushed by Florida in the 2nd round.

Comment by EMel 04.28.13 @ 7:52 pm

Minnesota has a new coach and plays in a very dark & dank 40 year old smelly arena called Williams Arena.

Why anyone would want to play in that sh*thole compared to play at the magnificent Peterson Events Center is beyond me.

Plus as someone mentioned about weather, Minnesota is lovely in the winter isn’t it. lol

Comment by EMel 04.28.13 @ 7:56 pm

oh get this …

Little Ricky’s kid is the new coach at Minnesota.

And Louisville was on Uchebo’s list. So Little Ricky must have turned Uchebo on to his kid’s new job as HC of the Golden Gophers. (Richard Pitino)

This is too funny !!

Comment by EMel 04.28.13 @ 8:01 pm

what i mean is jon can say he wanted to stay close to home fordham.
and joe was here and they let him leave with out signing plus playing time here at pitt he would have been the only center. and no madder how good
did lat year it is not the bb be all of be all
and with us moveing to ACC we should be racking up the recruits what is up with this.

Comment by FRANKCAN 04.28.13 @ 8:01 pm

EMel jj is gone we are down to what 7 players or 8
i dont count walk ons.
are first year in the ACC IS GONE TO SUCK.
DIXON should bring you in to close on the 3 or 4 recruits he wants. becuse he cant sign them we are so very fucked.

Comment by FRANKCAN 04.28.13 @ 8:13 pm

Hey I’m with ya Frankie.

However signing period just started this past Weds so I guess until it gets to be really late in this process, we can’t push the “panic button” yet.

In this current crazy world of college sports who know’s what some of these schools are offering players to sign on the dotted line.

These kids today seem to be dictating the whole process instead of the other way around.

As I posted that ESPN insider article on ‘The Entitlement attitude in AAU basketball’ the other day suggests it does.

And oh yea……we need Slice back ! :-)

Comment by EMel 04.28.13 @ 8:21 pm

In case you missed the link the other day:

link to insider.espn.go.com

Comment by EMel 04.28.13 @ 8:36 pm

I’m sure it’s exactly the same for football players.

Comment by EMel 04.28.13 @ 8:36 pm

Pitt basketball in shambles no front court.
slice were are you.
dixon earn your money sign some players
before more of them say lets get out of dodge.
if he signs no one we are so fucked.
as some one said all ready to night what the fuck
is gone on.

Comment by FRANKCAN 04.28.13 @ 8:43 pm

lol Maybe JD can lobby the NCAA to change the rules.

No shot clock !

We can do the 4 corners again like UNC with Phil Ford.

We’ll be alright, JD is ready to bring in a flotilla of new players.

Comment by EMel 04.28.13 @ 8:49 pm

Thank you SFPitt…the pain seems neverending at times which is why I sometimes go overboard in my reactions to the University that I love, the Steelers, Penguins and Pirates whom I follow passionately.

You cannot overprotect your kid but I have to tell you, I am not naive, but the things I have seen in HS over the years I coached and the years my daughter was in HS and College would scare any parent to death. I swear that I thought my daughter was making most of it up!

Comment by Dan 72 04.28.13 @ 8:50 pm

EMel i will belive it when i see it when they have signed there LOI not before.
if not we will be pulling people out of the zoo to make a team.

Comment by FRANKCAN 04.28.13 @ 9:03 pm

I made a veiled reference to Joe Del Sardo the other day.
Read Gormans article in the Trib if you feel sympathy for pushers.

Comment by SFPitt 04.28.13 @ 9:13 pm

Baseball now 32 – 10!

Comment by Pantherman 04.28.13 @ 9:15 pm

Dan72, I have a 10 yr old daughter and your story scares the hell out of me. I know that no matter how hard I try, I could one day face the same trials as you have. You have strengthened my already strong resolve to take every opportunity to speak with my child about the dangers of drugs, especially hardcore drugs like heroin, meth, crack, etc. I wish you and your daughter a bright and healthy future together.

Comment by HbgFrank 04.28.13 @ 9:31 pm

and another one bites the dust.

Comment by FRANKCAN 04.28.13 @ 9:52 pm

@Pitt-Cocks fan. Please don’t take it personally.

That is the one I found first.

Believe me, you can find them on every team.

That was my point. I actually found USC because I googled Clemson and stumbled upon a feud!!!

LOL

No offense intended. Google a team with the words “players arrested”.

You will find every one of them, with a few, if not many articles.

And, like I said, not condoning nor defending Pitt, I’m saying there is garbage and crap everywhere, just like society.

My apologies.

Comment by Dan 04.28.13 @ 9:59 pm

@emel, read the article.

Many schools have courses on “how to dress, manners and how to treat women”.

How sad. Really, really sad.

Comment by Dan 04.28.13 @ 10:16 pm

Dan 72, Thanks for sharing. Having worked in mental health (and I still do a little bit) I’m somewhat aware of what is out there. It takes courage to share as you have. I’m guessing that you have before and that it helps you as well as us, something you know far better than I. In any case, thanks man. My wife and I have 2 wonderful grandsons, 7 and 9 that we moved to Maryland for and it always helps to be reminded, what the risks are. We are lucky that our son and daughter in law are strong, loving, smart, committed parents and we are part of a wonderful village of an extended family. But, no one is immune, no one. Thanks again. You’ve done everyone on this blog a service. All the best to you and your daughter. I have a hopeful feeling that things will ultimately work out between you and your daughter.

Comment by OPFIM 04.28.13 @ 10:18 pm

Dan, thanks for sharing and hope your daughter’s journey continues on the straight and narrow. As a parent, I respect you for being a parent and not a friend to her. Well done!

As far as the recruits being wannies, graham’s or PC’s, we should take a lesson from Dan. At some point, the kids were not taught the difference between right and wrong. If parents don’t do it,society will. Parents need to know that they give their kids a better chance at success versus what socety will give them. There are no free passes. Again, well done Dan. This isn’t a head coach problem, but often the head coach needs to provide the solution. Marijuana, not addictive and not a gateway drug. Any other drug, they need to go away from football. Give each an opportunity of rehab, without football. Require drug testing monthly until graduation. Fail another drug test and you are out of school completely under the “student conduct code”.Sorry and welcome to adulthood,

As far as Pederson is concerned, he needs to go. He leads the programs. All of them. Does he put on monthly mandatory seminars about drugs, gambling, compliance and academics? NO. He sits back and collects a check. Big time programs educate their kids about pitfalls. There are no big time sports alumni that want anything to do with Pederson. That tells you everything you need to know about him. Player behavior falls under the ad.

Comment by dhuffdaddy 04.28.13 @ 10:24 pm

Look guys, here’s the thing…Pitt’s FB & BB programs are in the toilet. Dixon is radioactive to any really good recruit now too. Sad but true…

Comment by Jackagain 04.28.13 @ 10:34 pm

Post Gazette confirms that JJ Moore is out.

Moore was the 4th leading scorer last season so his loss will be felt.

Leave us with 6 players from last season.

What is going on with the program?

Comment by Pitt Fan In Atlanta 04.29.13 @ 3:25 am

4/29/2013 – 2010 SF J.J. Moore (6-6, 215, 3.7?) | Overall Rank: 79 | Position Rank: 16 will be transferring. – Per Jon Rothstein, CBS Sports

Word is, Moore is transferring to ….of all
places…….Fordham.

If that’s true, what a loser !

Comment by EMel 04.29.13 @ 5:44 am

Just another talented player (of many) forced to play out of position for JD … it’s shameful! I support JD but he needs to refocus.

Comment by wbb 04.29.13 @ 6:18 am

I think it is evident that if JD wants to continue with his methodical offense and focus on defense (and I’m OK with it since he has had so mcuh success), then he shouldn’t recuit athletic,offensive-first players (like Moore and Zeigler). And apparently, many of them are stayiing away from this program.

Robinson, on the other hand, seems like a perfect fit …. and can only hope that Young and Newkirk fit in also.

Comment by wbb 04.29.13 @ 6:38 am

Per Dan’s story above, recently attended a program about drugs and alcohol held at my son’s upper elementary school — nice school, mostly white and pretty affluent district — and the police chief said that heroin is now quite cheap to produce — even very high grade stuff and, as a result, quite abundant in many high schools. It’s become the drug that many suburban kids graduate to after prescription painkillers cease to do the trick. Scary stuff.

Comment by Carmen 04.29.13 @ 7:21 am

@dan72, real life. Thanks for sharing and hopefully as time marches on your relationship warms. She’s a principal?? Obviously, you did right and saved her.

@jackagain. I’ve thought about him being radioactive also. After hearing some of the color guys and talk radio people the past year or two, they confirmed what I assumed.

These players pretty much all know each other from all star games, summer camps etc. etc., and all exchange email’s, become Facebook friends and exchange cell phone numbers.

I hope we aren’t starting to become a “don’t go there” place.

We got Newkirk and Young, we’ll see how the next couple years go I guess.

Comment by Dan 04.29.13 @ 8:09 am

We know what we have had with JJ.
I wish him luck, but he is neither a Big East nor an ACC player at any position.
Were he transferring to a big time school I think it would be more of a red flag.

Comment by SFPitt 04.29.13 @ 8:36 am

I’d rather see Pitt scholarship athletes leave than stick around and perform poorly on the court/field. I want Pitt people who are proud to wear the blue and gold. And eventually graduate.

H2P!

Comment by MariettaMike 04.29.13 @ 10:08 am

I have never said that DW lacked character, not once.

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