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April 25, 2013

A Little More Severe

Filed under: Basketball,Recruiting — Chas @ 1:10 pm

The Severe post yesterday came from my phone, because I was in the midst of work. Just wanted to get the news out so I didn’t have time to get into it.

As I wrote back in March, late in the game recruiting, is a bit of a strange things. Kids like Severe who are borderline recruits between high mid-major to fringe-major get elevated as coaches have open scholarships to fill and limited choices.

That was the situation with Severe. A good, but undersized shooting guard at 6-2 (officially). He doesn’t play great defense. And he went from most of his offers being from the lower-half of the A-10 to getting offers from Pitt, K-State, Wake Forest and WVU. Yes, he was named Mr. Basketball for New York, but the runner-ups were not exactly 4-star recruits. His game didn’t get that much better from November, just the supply of available players went down.

It is the same thing we are seeing with the pursuit of transfers — 5th year and other wise. Coaches have the open scholarships. The same way that nature abhors a vacuum, coaches hate to leave those scholarships sitting on the table. So they try to fill them, and you see them willing to reach on kids.

Remember Jai Lucas? Son of John Lucas. A 5-10 point guard who was somehow considered a 4-star player. He was even a McDonald’s All-American (don’t tell me that politics don’t come into play with the selections) who finally chose the Gators and then transferred to Texas for more playing time and to run point after one year. Even at Texas he never averaged more than 12 minutes a game.

Yet, the longer Lucas waited to decide, the better and more offers he got so that in 2007 the best programs in the country were coming at him and it took on a weird intensity. That’s the sort of thing Severe was getting, and the reaction from Pitt fans (and Wake and WVU) over this kid deciding to stay local is outsized to the likelihood of how important a recruit he was.

I would have liked Pitt to get Severe, but it hardly seemed like a big loss if he went elsewhere. The odds of him actually helping immediately at Pitt (or any of the other major schools recruiting him) were slim. Yes, Jamie Dixon went hard after him (and is now working hard on Eli Carter, the Rutgers transfer who I fully expect to go to transfer to Florida). Big surprise. There aren’t many kids to go after at this point, and he’s got three extra scholarships. It’s why he (and others) are going so hard after Josh Davis. And Joseph Uchebo. There aren’t many other options and some help (especially if they can play immediately) is better than none.

Players like Josh Davis and Tarik Black are especially valuable. Not just because of the position they play. But because they are low risks. These are 5th year graduate transfers. The scholarship is not tied up for more than that one season. If the player doesn’t pan out or only provides spot minutes, it’s not like a coach has to force him out after one season. The kid is done regardless.

Just because a coach is hotly pursuing a player in April does not mean he will make or break the team (Trey Zeigler, anyone?). It just means they are getting a lot more attention because there aren’t any other players to pursue.





Again, it appears that the chance to play for Dixon is just not that big of a draw to a lot of players.

Does not bode well for those who have great expectations for Pitt basketball becoming the kind of program fitting for the arena in which it is housed.

It is what it is.

Comment by PittofDreams 04.25.13 @ 1:48 pm

What if Dixon gets none? How many players will be on our roster in November?

Comment by Dan 04.25.13 @ 1:59 pm

13-4+3. 12 I guess.

Patterson, Zanna, Moore and a lot of frosh and sophs.

Comment by Dan 04.25.13 @ 2:05 pm

Zanna F/C
Young F
Moore F
Artis F
Nwanko F
Patterson F
Wright G
Jones G
Newkrk G
Robinson G

Did I leave anyone out? (note that Nwanko is on academic scholarship)

Comment by wbb 04.25.13 @ 3:04 pm

Left out Durand Johnson F/G

Comment by wbb 04.25.13 @ 3:08 pm

Another one JD offered.

“Since decommitting from Texas A&M, JUCO guard Chad Frazier has collected offers from Pittsburgh, UCF, UAB, Georgia Southern & Robert Morris. ”

Don’t ask me why ????

Comment by EMel 04.25.13 @ 3:11 pm

lol wbb

Durand Durand might be our best scoring option next year.

Please don’t leave him out :-)

Comment by EMel 04.25.13 @ 3:12 pm

you’re right, he may play the 2 and is the best shooter … don’t now much about Jones and Newkirk

Comment by wbb 04.25.13 @ 3:16 pm

We’re really thin at guard.

Chris Jones is a large question mark at SG

Wright is not a scorer.

Newkirk will be a freshman, not known for his Outside shooting.

Robinson while a somewhat competant floor leader, his game tailed off dramatically against BigEast competition. Also not known as an Outside shooter.

Which is why Severe was somewhat important, by all accounts this kid could fill it up. And why JD made a last ditch home visit the other day.

Comment by EMel 04.25.13 @ 3:16 pm

With the current players, no real inside threat.

This team could really struggle to score.

Imperative we land Uchebo and/or Josh Davis.

Comment by EMel 04.25.13 @ 3:21 pm

Anybody hear……how Lennard Freeman’s PITT visit went yesterday ??

Inquiring basketball junkies want to know.

Comment by EMel 04.25.13 @ 3:26 pm

As a Panther I am reluctant to say anything positive about the hicks to the south and the pedos to the east but you have to admire Bill O’Brien for what he did last season. The questions are 1)can he keep this shell game going on limited resources. S. Bench his only experinced qb is transferring immediately, after being outgraded by a juco transfer this spring. I know the Hack is arriving this Fall but can a true frosh handle even a stripped down pro style offense? 2.) How long can he stay @ PU? There will be no contending for the Conf. title for at least 5 years. Last year’s defense graduated! While he has a college background (Terps and GT) how much did he enjoy the pros. Kraft raves about him enuff to put O’Brien on every NFL GM’s speed dial. And it will come, the money that is, BIG MONEY!!! Look to Buffalo, he11 we were wondering if Cuse was going to fire their head coach 18 mos. ago. Now he runs the Bills on what resume? Holgie is in deep in denture land. How long will OBrien be @ Pedu U. Point is ya think coaching turnover impacts a college football program? Know anyone that might be familiar with that issue? We’ve got your back PC! Oh yea and please do let the door hit u in ur fat a55 on the way out Shell! H2P UPone

Comment by UPone 04.25.13 @ 3:26 pm

Good post Upone.

However I never think that much about Pedo State.

It’s not good for the soul :-)

Comment by EMel 04.25.13 @ 3:48 pm

Have hard nothing abought freeman Wbb list
is 10 players nawanko does not count so we are 3 short.
when you say severe is no big deal or freeman
what happens when you go into the season with
10 players and 2 get hurt.

and the outhers are signing players duquesne
even signed a 6 foot 11 center witch might not be a big deal except when you dont have a center

tell me it is no big deal when we are down to 8 players in the acc and they are eating are lunch.

Comment by FRANKCAN 04.25.13 @ 3:49 pm

Un fortunately I have to agree with Pittof dreams. It is not that Pittsburgh does not have a recruiting base does Syracuse, Storrs, Lexington have loads of D1 talent. No. Remember our fan in Texas who aptly said kids come to play for a coach not a location. If not Pittsburgh, a great university and a very liveable city would be attractive to many recruits. Facilities are top notch.
Dixon’s use of top talent Taylor, Birch, and Adams is not.
The best we can hope for is occassionally recruit a Robinson and Young but these will be not be players we will get every year.
Instead get players at the level of the 2010-2011 team (B players)win all games in a weak non-conference schedule, play tight defense (harder in ACC with quality outside shooters/few in big-east) and hope to sneak in NCAA for a round or two.
To best honest since Holland and Dixon arrived Pitt has only had 2 teams that had the talent, if used properly to get to the elite 8 or better.
Young and Blair if Dixon would have limited Fields role on the team and this years team if Dixon had played Adams at least 30 minutes per game from day and force the ball to him helping him gain confidence and helping him dominant every center as he did in the Addidas summer camp and Norlen Noels in prep school.
Like Fields eliminate Woodall from the picture that would have helped Robinsons game not feeling the need to defer to a player would could not start on most if not all big east teams.

Comment by pittisit 04.25.13 @ 3:57 pm

freeman might still be in town EMel he was to be here 3 days if he came in may,
so mabe this is all so a 3 day vist.

Comment by FRANKCAN 04.25.13 @ 4:02 pm

I’m not as inside this stuff as the rest of you guys, but I do enjoy the banter and insight.

I do have a simple question: If Dixon isn’t that great as a recruiter, why doesn’t he hire someone who is?

Are people with that skill set too rare, too expensive, what?

Thanks

Comment by BATR 04.25.13 @ 4:12 pm

BATR he had a good one slice he is out of work
he got a head coaching job but was fired.
dont know why he doesent bring him back.

Comment by FRANKCAN 04.25.13 @ 4:20 pm

Emel, I know it seems like desperation time but after looking up the history on this Uchebo kid I can’t say I will be too disappointed if he goes elsewhere. Other than size he really hasn’t shown much at his many stops and detours since coming to America. I think our best chance at this point is to do the best we can with what we have and hope for a better group of recruits next year.

Comment by spiritofsection 22 04.25.13 @ 4:24 pm

EMel freeman is still in town he and some coachs
went for a milkshake.
so he is out and abought.

Comment by FRANKCAN 04.25.13 @ 4:35 pm

hope they went to the ice cream shop on Atwood (?) … think it’s till there, haven’t been to Oakland in ages

Comment by wbb 04.25.13 @ 4:45 pm

EMel he was in the quake and shake at 11.53 am
hope we sign him. they said freeman is huge just what we need.

Comment by FRANKCAN 04.25.13 @ 4:45 pm

BATR, I don’t think Dixon is a bad recruiter and others here would disagree I am sure. It doesn’t matter what we think, the only valid consideration is what JD thinks and my guess is he thinks he is a good recruiter. Dixon has had considerable success taking players that were not considered hot recruits and doing well with them. He has had a poor record with the McDonalds all planet types but hasn’t attracted many. Recruiting and coaching while both part of a coaches duties are two different things and Dixon has been good enough at the latter to cover up any shortcomings, real or imagined, in the recruiting phase. My guess is he prefers to coach kids who will let him control style and tempo and follow his direction as opposed to super talented don’t want told what to do types. What Dixon does works better than anyone has ever done at Pitt before, but many feel we will never advance any further and might even eventually slide backwards continuing in this direction. The question marks become even more intense due to Adams going pro, defections from transfers, and what appears at this point to be a weak recruiting class. Please keep in mind the best recruiter in the country won the NCAA championship in 11/12 and lost to Bobby Mo in the NIT in 12/13.He usually ends up getting caught cheating and JD is a straight clean gut who graduates his players.

Comment by spiritofsection 22 04.25.13 @ 4:52 pm

*guy not gut

Comment by spiritofsection 22 04.25.13 @ 4:55 pm

KK thanx Frankie

What you have somebody following him around town?
lol

If he’s in town for that long (3 days) we have to put the screws to him and close him !

Freeman is a PF, still need the Big man, Uchebo at 6’11″ 265 lbs to be the spaceeater. By all accounts he averaged a double/double at the Florida JUCO he went to, and was an NC State recruit I believe before hurting his knee.

If he doesn’t work out, he gets released that’s all. Plus if he does work out, he still has several years of eligibility left. Which would be better than a one & done 5th year senior not named Josh Davis.

Welcome back spiritofsection22, we all thought you went to South America and got kidnapped or something. Missing in the Squirrel Hill Tunnel.
:-)

Comment by EMel 04.25.13 @ 5:00 pm

spiritofsection22 that was the best description
of dixon that has been on here.
what he does good what he does bad.how we think of him both sides pro and con.
and you made points for both sides it was very well written and even thou i said i would not talk to you and you should not to me.

i have to say i am impressed with what you wrote.

Comment by FRANKCAN 04.25.13 @ 5:07 pm

Uchebo wouldn’t have to score much, as we didn’t have much scoring from Adams. But it’s important to have a big man who can play defense and rebound. If he score all the better. We really haven’t had good scoring from the center position since DeJaun Blair when pro. If Jamie Dixon can bring in a shooting guard and a big man I’ll be pleased.

Comment by Justinian 04.25.13 @ 5:51 pm

Frankcan, You are wrong again. Nothing I have ever written could be described as well written and you are one of the few here even more challenged in that area than me, so your complement is a lot like being named the handsomest hog. I even had a spelling correction which I know would never happen to you. lol Thanks though for the kudos.

Comment by spiritofsection 22 04.25.13 @ 6:02 pm

Thought i read somewhere Uchebo was going to announce his school today. it appears that wasn’t good info. Anyone heard anything on it?

Comment by pitt1972 04.25.13 @ 6:31 pm

spirtofsection22 i meant what you said and how you
said it and your understanding of both sides
the pro side and the con side.
not the english 101 as you said i would not know abought that.
i stll think you made it clear how we both see things thoes for his style and thoes who are not.

Comment by FRANKCAN 04.25.13 @ 6:37 pm

pitt1972, I thought I read the same thng about Uchebo .. but maybe you read what I wrote on this site last night. I can’t find or remember where I saw it so apparently it’s not true

Comment by wbb 04.25.13 @ 6:43 pm

FC,I get your drift, I was attempting humor concerning our shared literary shortcomings. I do appreciate the complement even if people go blind trying to read it.lol

Comment by spiritofsection 22 04.25.13 @ 7:08 pm

If Uchebo were to come to Pitt I would be surprised. Everything I have been able to find out about his short basketball career stinks. He has bounced around and backed out and hasn’t completed anything in his short unimpressive career. He looks to be a headache and non graduate in a big overhyped body. I would rather have a walk on. The last thing we need is a big foreign project who probably can’t spell two years, let alone complete them.

Comment by spiritofsection 22 04.25.13 @ 7:26 pm

Spirit, You could be right, but apparently he has the abilities to be a good player. After losing Gilbert, Adams, and Taylor, Pitt needs to get a big man, who at the very least can give them minutes in the middle.

Comment by Justinian 04.25.13 @ 7:52 pm

Justinian, It takes more than ability, and I even question that based on what he has actually done. Google him and see where he has played and what he has done and you won’t want him either. His greatest accomplishment was being offered by NC St. two years ago. He was a mistake and we don’t need another one.

Comment by spiritofsection 22 04.25.13 @ 8:04 pm

Until Robinson Dixon has not recruited a guard suited for the ACC. Pitt guards are notorious poor shooters (Gibbs possible exception) and bad defenders of perimeter shooters.
This could be a major problem unless Newkirk is legitimate. The ACC in my opinion relies more on motion offense and shooting guards then the Big-East. The lack of dominating big men in the ACC may help Pitt stay near the middle of the pack next year.

Comment by pittisit 04.25.13 @ 8:38 pm

@spirit
i agree with most of what you say, however you mention kentucky winning the title then losing to bobby mo the next year. i would love for pitt to win one year, then lose to a scrub the next. also, do you really know the kids are actually graduating? it seems most are transferring.

Comment by goalie44 04.25.13 @ 9:02 pm

even with the doubts about Uchebo, the fact is that currently our fromtcourt is Zanna and Moore or Young, a natural frshman. There is not much height or bulk …. Uchebo is probably the best we can do right now, especially since we still have 3 open schollies (not much to lose right now)

Comment by wbb 04.25.13 @ 9:12 pm

@pittisit, you could very well be correct.

And speaking of that, I have a wish. An early wish as it’s only April.

I sure hope we don’t see anyone using the “moving to the ACC” crutch next year.

We’ve had almost 2 years to get ready.

The BE and the ACC have been jostling back and forth for “best conference” for the last 10 years, so there should be no excuses. We’ve been in the toughest conference, and were one of the toughest teams in that conference for several years.

How Pitt does, will have have much more to do with what we’ve put together and who we have as a team, than some of the buzz phrases.

“we have to get used to how they call fouls”, or “we have to get used to the style of play”.

That’s b.s..

Why I bring it up?? Allready heard it from a couple of guys at work.

No excuses for Chryst either. Allthough, the coaches and staff are incomparable. One has been here for 10 years, maybe 13 or so counting asst., and the other, just their second season.

So, in my book, Chryst has a couple years to get a couple of his recruiting classes in, then he will get the same scrutiny.

Like I said, it’s early, but let’s just nip those excuses in the bud.

Comment by Dan 04.25.13 @ 9:38 pm

@pittisit, you could very well be correct.

And speaking of that, I have a wish. An early wish as it’s only April.

I sure hope we don’t see anyone using the “moving to the ACC” crutch next year.

We’ve had almost 2 years to get ready.

The BE and the ACC have been jostling back and forth for “best conference” for the last 10 years, so there should be no excuses. We’ve been in the toughest conference, and were one of the toughest teams in that conference for several years.

How Pitt does, will have have much more to do with what we’ve put together and who we have as a team, than some of the buzz phrases.

“we have to get used to how they call fouls”, or “we have to get used to the style of play”.

That’s b.s..

Why I bring it up?? Allready heard it from a couple of guys at work.

No excuses for Chryst either. Allthough, the coaches and staff are incomparable. One has been here for 10 years, maybe 13 or so counting asst., and the other, just their second season.

So, in my book, Chryst has a couple years to get a couple of his recruiting classes in, then he will get the same scrutiny.

Like I said, it’s early, but let’s just nip those excuses in the bud.

Comment by Dan 04.25.13 @ 9:38 pm

Chas, why do I keep double posting. Only hit submit once. Any thoughts??

Comment by Dan 04.25.13 @ 9:39 pm

Pitt, UCONN, Syracuse and Louisville, could have easily substituted for UNC, DUKE, NC St. and say Miami the past 10 years.

So, Pitt should not be intimidated. However, Along with the ACC powers, we are bringing along most of the BE powers.

It could get brutal.

Also, allthough they fought back and forth, I think one thing the ACC has, or should I say, doesn’t have, is a DePaul, Seton Hall and St. Johns.

There may be some bad teams on any given year, but the days of having some gimme’s is over.

Definitely have their work cut out for them.

Comment by Dan 04.25.13 @ 9:44 pm

Miami a bad example, only good recently. Substitue another team. Maybe a combo of Maryland, WF and GTU over the years.

My point, we’ve played with the elite for quite awhile.

Comment by Dan 04.25.13 @ 9:45 pm

It’s not if we are sliding backwards…we are sliding backwards since 2010-2011. Mini-dramas on the recruiting front right now but next year has sliding backwards written all over it in Pitt hoops.

Comment by TonyinHouston 04.25.13 @ 10:25 pm

chad frazier guard from jc school he and pitt
are very close looks like dixon might sign
one we should know in a few days
EMel does not think much of the kid but he was one of best guards in jc ball this year and was in the top 30 of jc top 100 players i think nummber 19 but to lazy to look it up.

Comment by FRANKCAN 04.25.13 @ 11:19 pm

@frankie on the spot…I hope you’re right.

Comment by panther94 04.25.13 @ 11:41 pm

So what happened with Okie State and Frazier?

Comment by panther94 04.25.13 @ 11:44 pm

@FRANKCAN–The Chad Frazier thing is weird. Scout has him having committed to Texas A&M on March 3, 2013 (less than 2 months ago). I suppose the guy is having 2nd thoughts about that commitment? Did Texas A&M lose their coach?

Comment by pitt1972 04.26.13 @ 8:01 am

wbb04, Can’t argue with your logic concerning our frontcourt which means we might be in the deep dung. If Uchebo is the best option we had better make room for another CBI banner.

Comment by spiritofsection 22 04.26.13 @ 8:18 am

TonyinHouston, I think you are calling the ship sunk before manning the pumps. I think it is quite possible for Dixon to have a good showing next year with the team we have in place. Zanna will be a reasonable center and he could be close to good. It will be JJ’s shot at finally reaching his potential and Patterson will need to be a true senior. Robinson should shoot better and Durand could be a star in the making. We will have to rely on Wright to back up and the freshman for any depth, which is in serious short supply. Dixon will like this team and I think we will be in the middle of the pack in the ACC. That is as good as we did this year and if the recruits pan out we could win a game at the dance which is better.

Comment by spiritofsection 22 04.26.13 @ 8:33 am

You don’t need forwards and centers 6’10″ and over in college. Plenty of teams are successful without big men.

Comment by notrocketscience 04.26.13 @ 9:10 am

Here are the last three seasons under Dixon:
1. A one seed with one of the worst losses ever, the 2010-2011 team wasn’t just a nice team that won bad non-conference games hoping to win a couple games, that team was one of the best teams in the nation.
By the way say what you will about the weak non-conference schedule, Pitt wins tons and tons of conference games with Dixon. Just look at where Pitt has finished in conference every year in the best conference in the Nation.
2. Bad season mainly due to the fact that Woodall was hurt all year.
3. Bounce back year where team finishes 4th in the conference and could have beaten any team in the nation.

Really where is the backslide trend? We have being one of the best, fall off, then improvement.

Comment by Wardapalooza 04.26.13 @ 9:15 am

wpalooza, good post

Comment by spiritofsection 22 04.26.13 @ 9:22 am

pitt72 he decommited from a&m close to 10 days ago
dont know why but he said he needs a coach he can trust becuse basketball wont last for ever.
dont know what he meant but that was what he said.

Comment by FRANKCAN 04.26.13 @ 9:30 am

spiritofsection:
No, nothing to do with skunks. Middle of the pack in the ACC and win at least one game in the NCAA would be a slight improvement. We finished fourth in a sixteen team conference, a better finish than middle of the pack. But, overall, where are we? The pinnacle of Dixon’s career is the 2008-09 season. Are we going to be close to that season next year? Isn’t the goal to reach the Final Four at least one time? First, bloggers were saying he needed five years to do it, then 10, so where’s the bar now, 15? I understand where you’re coming from, but it looks like we’re merely trying maintaining the plateau Dixon reached a few years ago, with little hope of surmounting it.

As long as Dixon keeps feasting on TastyKakes for non-con games, the chances of repeating the other
distinction of 2008-09, being ranked #1 in the wire service polls, will remain elusive. So on rankings, we have are backsliding as well.

Comment by TonyinHouston 04.26.13 @ 9:48 am

Where’s the backslide?… How about the roster?

And sorry, “ONE-AND-DONE” in both the Big East Tournament and NCAAs does not exactly spell stability.

Love the devotion. But those blinders must be dark.

Comment by PittofDreams 04.26.13 @ 9:50 am

@ward

a one seed that went nowhere, your right, finish high just about every year in the conference and flame out in the tournament. this was a “bounce back” year, and you say the couldn’t have beaten any team in the nation, except one, witchita state. multiple players transferring. maybe there are not falling off, but i sure don’t see an upswing either.

Comment by goalie44 04.26.13 @ 9:53 am

Speaking of football…

Stories in both the Post Gazette and Trib Review today about Pitt’s runningback situation. Clearly gives the impression that Chryst is uneasy with Bennett and Crockett as his 1 and 2 backs.

Bennett is an absolute class act. Crockett also gives the impression of being a solid team player. Unfortunately, neither has shown the kind of ability that makes you think the running game won’t be a problem.

At times Bennett looks good, but lacks the ability to cut without losing speed. That is a problem.

Crockett looks like a decent slasher, but lacking in the speed and vision necessary for making big plays.

Both papers report Chryst specifically mentioning James Conner. Looking pretty obvious that the 230 lb freshman is being counted upon to come in and make an impact.

Despite all the talk of receiver, also believe Tyler Boyd is going be be called upon to inject some big play ability into the backfield.

Comment by PittofDreams 04.26.13 @ 9:54 am

rankings, we are backsliding…

Yes, PittofDreams, one-and-done reeks of instability.

Comment by TonyinHouston 04.26.13 @ 9:55 am

Major disagreement about Woodall coming back after injury. Woodall was completely ineffective after the injury maybe because of the injury but I would argue based on this year and his sophmore season because he was a poor ballhandler, a turnover machinge against the press (fewer turnovers this year because of Robinson), a terrible defender Adams saved him this year as he was, if you watched, continually beaten by his man off the dribble. Pitt played more zone this year because of him.
A terrible assist guard never getting the ball into Adams. Terrible penatrator who when he got close and feed Adams would bounce pass it to a 7′ man at his ankles. (everyone said Adams has bad hands – you do not know basketball if you believe that).
Forced more shots up from outside causing several long rebounds limiting Pitts only strength last year offensive rebounding as the ball bounced beyond the foul line. Who takes 16 shots in a game when they are obviously cold and are not a pure shooter, no rotation on his shot and have only made one.
What coach plays a player over 30 minutes regardless that he’s a senior who makes one shot in the first half gives the other team the ball (not stolen)5 times and never attempts to get the ball inside to a 7′ player dominating his undersized 6’9″ defender who is one of the teams better offensive players that you would like to foul out.
What coach does not demand his players to go to Adams every time down court under such circumstances.
Like the color commentator said of Adams in this game I cannot understand Pitt’s offense Adams is a monster he is a man playing with boy’s but they continue to ignore him.
This is why I question Dixon as a coach and think Adams did the right thing.
Every year, be honest, Dixon annoits a senior guard recruited from Philly or N.Y. as the heart and soul and leader of the team. This player has an ego that does not need this and does not have the skills to carry the team. To the contrary especially last year and the year of Young and Blair by dominating the ball eliminated any chance for either of these teams to improve between November and March.
Krauser, Fields (do not be fooled by assist/turnover ratio [high assists because playing with 2 all-americans low turnovers because opponent coaches wanted the ball in his hands], Gibbs, and the worst Woodall.
Woodall only made all-conference 3rd team because Pitt had to be represented by some player

Comment by pittisit 04.26.13 @ 9:56 am

like it or not, SG Woodall was a better assist man than the PG Robinson as evidenced by 5.1 apg compared to 3.1 apg. Robinson should improve but I thought his biggest weaknesses were (1) lack of penetration that would open up opportunties for the biggies, and (2) lack of feeding the ball into the low post.

Comment by wbb 04.26.13 @ 11:12 am

pittsit you make great points. in retrospect i may have loved woodall because i perceived him to be the opposite of gibbs – a team man. him not knowing how to get the ball to adams certainly became increasingly apparent as the season progressed (often driving at him & perhaps laying on him a late dish or hard & low bounce pass in traffic that the softest & experienced of hands may have struggled with). Robinson, however will not have this problem as he has played with legit big men for the last 5 years at the High School, USA & D1 level & should continue to evolve (pray he has a big man or 2 in his tenure). Recruiting is a issue & boy do we miss slice (although remember he filled the cup with the previously described NYC/Philly soldier style baller – Ive been & remain a sucker for those story lines). He seemed to connect with kids in a Al McGuire, et al kind of way. Which I contend is a problem many have with HCJD – some contend that they dont see that demonstrative passion for the kids. Bottom line is no one knows if the glass is half full or empty – its all the liquid we got. I say run TZ at the 5, JJ at the 4, LP at the 3, DJ at the 2 (I’m hoping to see him walk around oakland dribbling 2 balls this summer, I know hes a high risk in the backcourt but his potential as a match up problem at the 2 could out way his liabilities (ball handling & on the ball D) with the General at the 1 (he could be one of the finest starting sophmore PG’s in the country?). You come off the bench with MY (hows that for an acronym? who I pray to every higher power anyone believes in will be the beast we (& he) believes he can be), CW, CJ (who could also be a matchup problem) & JN. Thats who we are throwing down with no? Yes there is no backup 5 & 1(shoot there isn’t really a starting 5!). Yes these are the ripple effects of losing a solid recruiting assistant, being stung by transfers (Dating back before KB – heck we could have maybe used zigs to backup JR?) & early NBA entry (dating back to blair?). And no matter where you go, there you are. Throw DJ at the 2 (we can all agree that WE NEED BUCKETS, right?). Thats the 9 ballplayers I see.

Comment by ptbreezeb 04.26.13 @ 11:18 am

ummm, “out weigh” instead of “way”…

Comment by ptbreezeb 04.26.13 @ 11:21 am

Eric Williams, Andrew Carswell and Khanyin Moslesy-Smith arrested last night on drug charges.

link to pittsburgh.cbslocal.com

Comment by Kenny Powers 04.26.13 @ 11:26 am

this is not good … Williams and Mosley-Smith were supposed to have had good springs and were to be counted on this coming fall

Comment by wbb 04.26.13 @ 11:42 am

Wow..Someone commented on a post a little while back that they knew several Pitt players that regularly smoked pot (Disclaimer: I am not shocked by a story about college students smoking pot). What I am shocked by is the fact that these players apparently have no fear of being caught through whatever testing process is currently in place at Pitt. If these players went to that house to score some weed and wound up in the wrong place at the wrong time, they need to be disciplined accordingly. However, if it turns out that these players were regulars at this house and hanging out while Heroin deals went down, these players need to go. As always, we need all of the facts, but this does not look good. The Pitt Administration needs to institute a structured, year – round, testing regime for all scholarship athletes. And no, they don’t need to do the same for academic scholarships.

Comment by HbgFrank 04.26.13 @ 11:55 am

*regimen*

Comment by HbgFrank 04.26.13 @ 11:58 am

this is the kind of thing that got Dave fired

Comment by FRANKCAN 04.26.13 @ 12:05 pm

back to basketball EMel lennard freeman is
traveling home to day so i guess he did not sign.

Comment by FRANKCAN 04.26.13 @ 12:13 pm

The 2011-2012 team won when Woodall was healthy. When Woodall wasn’t healthy they weren’t good.

Fields was arguably the best PG in college basketball his senior year. And Krauser had nothing around him and scored, rebounded and distributed the ball.

Comment by Wardapalooza 04.26.13 @ 12:44 pm

NCAA tournament results have nothing to do with if the team this year was better or not. They were better than the year before. Finishing 4th in the Big East proves that. And roster wise, there are two pretty good recruits coming in for next year. Dixon has won with much less talent. They will be fine in the ACC.

Comment by Wardapalooza 04.26.13 @ 12:47 pm

@FRANKCAN–Traveling home may have nothing to do with whether Freeman “signs” or doesn’t. The spring LOI signing period goes until May 15. Coaches cannot say anything publicly until they have a signed LOI in-hand. Often guys verbally commit either during or just after a visit with a signed LOI done later.

Comment by pitt1972 04.26.13 @ 2:12 pm

@FRANKCAN–RE: Chad Frazier. Your quote by Frazier makes sense. He committed to TA&M and then was recruited over when TA&M signed a more highly regarded (and 6-8 vs Frazier’s 6-4) JUCO 2G on April 18. Guess he believes TA&M weren’t honest with him.

On Freeman again–is he old enough (e.g. 21) to sign his own LOI or does he need a parent or guardian co-signer? I sure don’t know that answer. He may need a co-signer who wasn’t with him on his visit, or he may just want time to think things over as he doe shave other offers.

Comment by pitt1972 04.26.13 @ 2:18 pm

pitt1972 did not say he would not sign later.
just said he is leaveing and has not signed.

but dixon has lost one more eli carter said he is down to maryland or florida.
and a few days ago dixon paid him a in home vist.

he needs to get some one soon before they are all gone.

Comment by FRANKCAN 04.26.13 @ 2:19 pm

Scratch off another one :-(

“Rutgers transfer Eli Carter is down to Florida & Maryland, with a visit to Florida setup for Sunday. “

Comment by EMel 04.26.13 @ 2:22 pm

Did Lennard Freeman get out of town without
committing ?

If so, he’s going somewhere else as well I would imagine.

Comment by EMel 04.26.13 @ 2:24 pm

Joseph Uchebo averaged 12.3 ppg and 12.3 rpg in his only season in JUCO.

Yes, that’s right he scored the same amount of points as he grabbed rebounds. Exactly.

If nothing else we need a backup center as let’s pretend Zanna’s light is finally going to come on and he doesn’t disappear when the conf. games start(which would be a first). He can’t play all 40 minutes and he will be in foul trouble ocasionnally.

Most of the experts are saying if you’re PITT, you take the chance on Uchebo, as ALL of these kids are chances. If we haven’t learned this by now with Sleepy, Diggs, Birch, Johnson, etc. when will you. Oy Vey !

Comment by EMel 04.26.13 @ 2:38 pm

Did DW have any players get arrested for drugs ?

Comment by EMel 04.26.13 @ 2:41 pm

EMel good points at this point i would even like to have had the one duquesne got .
you know the old saying a bird in hand is better
then 2 in the bush.
and yrs freeman has left with out signing.

Comment by FRANKCAN 04.26.13 @ 3:11 pm

Uchebo wasn’t playing in the JC tourney games at the end of the season, does anyone know why? I don’t think he has completed a season anywhere since he came to this country. I think it is sad that we are this desperate for some size inside. I remember Villanova doing pretty well with 4 guards.

Comment by spiritofsection 22 04.26.13 @ 4:20 pm

he played his first year had 13 points and 13 rebounds per game which is very good.
last year he was hurt and was healing a bad knee
they say he is better now.

Comment by FRANKCAN 04.26.13 @ 4:32 pm

when he came out of high school he was rated the in
top 100 ball players was rated 83rd best player i think could have went to ncs or kentucky.
but did not have the grades
this is what i remmber to lazy to go back and look it up.

Comment by FRANKCAN 04.26.13 @ 4:40 pm

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