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March 24, 2013

Sorry. I have been trying to get healthy and pull double shifts the last week or so. Somehow the two don’t work well together. I was working on a post-mortem post on the Wichita State game yesterday when the news of Dixon’s extension started seeping.

That kind of changed things a bit.

So let’s work from this point. Jamie Dixon is not going anywhere.

Stating that he intends to “finish his career at the University of Pittsburgh,” Pitt men’s basketball coach Jamie Dixon reinforced that commitment today when he signed a 10-year contractual agreement that runs through the 2022-23 season.

Dixon owns the highest winning percentage in school history (.753) with a 262-86 record from 2003-13. He has led the Panthers to nine NCAA Tournaments in 10 seasons, the most NCAA appearances by a Pitt coach.

“Pitt and Pittsburgh are home,” Dixon said. “My family and I feel blessed to be part of such a great institution and wonderful city. It is the people who truly make a place special. I could not be surrounded by better players, staff and administration. These aren’t just people I work for and with every day. They’re friends and I’m very thankful for that. I would like to express special appreciation to our leadership team of Chancellor Mark Nordenberg, Athletic Director Steve Pederson and Executive Vice Chancellor Jerry Cochran. Their guidance and friendship have been invaluable. I greatly appreciate the faith and support they have always shown me since my arrival at Pitt.”

I know there is a vocal minority that feels like Dixon should be gone; along with a very frustrated group after the Wichita State flop ready to say good-bye and don’t let the door hit you on the way out to USC.

I’m not in that group.

I like Coach Jamie Dixon. I think he is the best coach the school has had. You can make a case for Doc Carlson, but that’s about it. In terms of wins. In terms of national respect. In terms of sustained success. Until the Dixon (and Howland) time, Pitt never had finished .500 or better for more than seven consecutive seasons (1910-17). Pitt hasn’t finished with a losing record since 2000.

I love Pitt, but I’m not deluding myself that this is a basketball program of great historical significance or entitled to any success. It is also does not have a local population that provides a steady stream of quality talent to build teams.

Nor am I claiming to be satisfied. Hardly. The losses in the NCAA Tournament — and recently in the Big East Tournament — have been maddening and highly disappointing.

But that’s really what most of the dissatisfaction concerning Dixon is about. Not the performance during the season. Not the lack of off-the-court problems. Not spending most of each season ranked in the top-25. Not the recruiting that continues to get better.  It’s about the losses in the post-season.

It’s easy to say that there are plenty of better coaches out there. Better recruiters. Better Xs-and-Os guys. Getting one of them is something entirely different. And then it is a complete and utter unknown as to whether they will actually succeed.

Oliver Purnell rebuilt Dayton then made Clemson relevant. He was actually getting talent and getting Clemson fans to show up for basketball games. They actually made the NCAA Tournament. There was no doubt he was a good coach. Then he took the big money grab at DePaul, and as big a mess as it was, Purnell hasn’t been able to make it any better.

Over at Clemson, they went out and hired a very successful, respected, local to the region mid-major coach in Brad Brownell. He won at UNC-Wilmington and then at Wright State. It looked like a good hire and fit. They have been sliding slowly and steadily back into their irrelevance in the ACC. Wake Forest found Dino Gaudio not a good enough coach and blew everything up with Jeff Bzdelik — for which Colorado was luck enough to reset and hit gold with Tad Boyle.

Those hires happen a lot more frequently than say, Fred Hoiberg coming back to Iowa State and bringing them to relevance.

There are only a handful of blue-chip jobs. Jobs where the success is expected, the recruiting is national and just the name on the front of the jersey will get the recruit to listen: Kentucky, Indiana, UNC, Kansas and UCLA.

The next tier are jobs where the fans place such a value on the basketball program and/or will the school put the support and resources into it to have success: Duke, Texas, Ohio State, Michigan State, Florida, Arizona, Oregon and Syracuse.

After that it gets a lot flatter in terms of the difference between programs with the appeal and chance to win. It doesn’t take long to tumble quickly. The difference between a Miami and a Clemson is hardly vast. Nor between a USC and a Pitt.

If you’ve noticed anything in the last eight years, it is that coaching searches have hardly been easy for any school. Even Kentucky struck out with Billy Donovan and had no solid back-up plan. Arizona and Oregon had protracted, embarrassing searches that had them trying to shovel money at coaches to no avail. Maryland, NC State and Illinois struggled to find someone to take their jobs. That they have worked out is a relief for those schools but was also an eye-opener for a lot of their fans in terms of ego blow.

Brad Stevens and Shaka Smart would not touch the Pitt job. They have turned down comparable jobs that offered more money without batting an eye. UCLA will want either of these guys, and they don’t know if they can get them.

Sean Miller is not anywhere close to the lock to return to Pitt people like to claim. Not with what he has going for him in Arizona, and how much money and resources that program will provide him.

Andy Enfield of Florida Gulf Coast has people in a rightful swoon over him with the pure dominance of Georgetown on Friday night, and a backstory that now screams destined to win at everything. But the list of Dan Monson, Stan Heath, Anthony Grant, Doc Saddler, Mike Fox and so on is extensive.

Then there’s the practical side of this. Pitt officially enters the ACC in just a few months. Now that the season is over, for all intents and purposes, they are an ACC program. A change of conferences is not the ideal time to hit the reset button on a program that is not in crisis.

If Dixon had left, odds are Steven Adams goes pro. Who knows if Mike Young and James Newkirk still come to Pitt? That leaves a frontcourt with just Talib Zanna and J.J. Moore. The backcourt is suddenly a lot thinner  — and lacking any ball-handler besides Robinson. More transfers become likely as tends to happen with a coaching change.

We saw it last year. The line between a CBI season or the NCAA Tournament is not nearly that huge. An injury here, some chemistry issues there. Next thing you know, the team is a mess.

Then there is this. Losing Dixon means Steve Pederson is making the hire for the next head basketball coach. Exactly how many of you trust or even want him involved in that decision?





Amen.

Comment by Bowling Green Panther 03.24.13 @ 12:33 pm

Great news for Pitt basketball! H2P!

Comment by MariettaMike 03.24.13 @ 12:39 pm

I comfortable with Dixon if he’s willing to tweak his coaching style and bring it up to date with the 21st century. That and get an assistant who can recruit and coach up the offense.

Did Dixon get a raise? And more importantly, did he get more money to pay assistants?

The next couple years in the ACC should be real interesting….that and how he uses the 2 scholarships he has now. I would also like to see Dixon let pure scorers play and shoot before he insists on waiting until he turns them in Julius Page defenders. That will be his hardest transition…

Comment by Jackagain 03.24.13 @ 12:40 pm

Another amen!! Dixon is the best coach we have had! Anyone remember what pitt hoops was like before howland and Dixon? I do! And we were pathetic! The success we have had is because of those two guys and you don’t just write them off! You ride the Dixon train as much as you can! He will make it to a final four with pitt eventually! And I don’t want our ad making any hires so this was the best move!

Comment by Sweet Caroline 03.24.13 @ 12:45 pm

steve pederson would be making the hire
yes that would suck cant trust him.
but i sure hope dixon changes style some what
my be some new asst coachs would help.

Comment by FRANKCAN 03.24.13 @ 12:53 pm

Jackagain, I tried asking Dokish if assistants got raises under his extension. You’d think with all the new ACC money that he’s going to be allowed to pay assistants more and he will be able to beef up the non-conference. Well if they add Severe and the juco guy Darrick Wood that’s a 4-star guard, that’s a lot of offense right there. Also, isn’t the fact that Durrand Johnson played at all this year showing a move more towards offense?

Comment by Wardapalooza 03.24.13 @ 1:03 pm

Very well put, Chas. I think the current dissatisfaction here is normal after such a pathetic effort but surely Pitt’s game on Thursday wasn’t even close of being the most embarrassing when a 15th, 14th and three 12 seeds have advanced.

We have to know our place on the national landscape and you pointed it out quite adroitly

Comment by wbb 03.24.13 @ 1:06 pm

Dixon is the best coach we’ve ever had… as long as you’re comfortable choking every year in March.

Comment by Coach Ditka 03.24.13 @ 1:07 pm

i wish dixon would bring back asst coach
barry rohrssen with his pipe line to NY players
that would help.

Comment by FRANKCAN 03.24.13 @ 1:09 pm

Agree with Jackagain. Having had a few days to allow some sanity to creep back, the alternative to Dixon could be much worse. No one disputes his value to the program, nor his loyalty. As fans though, we believe he needs to do more with his approach to the game. For starters, adjust your offense to the abilities of his players. There are too many Butlers, VCUs, and Wichita States out there–finding success in the NCAAs. We want more from our post season.

Comment by Lou 03.24.13 @ 1:13 pm

Here is a copy and paste from the Panther’s Prey Blog from Bowling Green Panther who is active on this blog:

Dixon has taken Pitt to the NCAA Tourney 9 times. Twice (2 times he has lost in the 1st round. Both times as an 8 seed to a 9 seed.

By my count, since Pitt has been in the Big East, Pitt made the tournament 10 times in 22 years before Dixon. Dixon has gone 9 in the 10.

Before Dixon, Pitt won 7 NCAA Tourney games in 22 years. Dixon has won 11 in 10 years.

Before Dixon, Pitt made 2 Sweet 16′s in 22 years. Dixon has 3 in 10 years.

Before Dixon, Pitt had 0 Elite 8′s in 22 years. Dixon has 1 in 10 years.

Dixon does indeed have flaws that need improved upon. But mediocre just can’t be used to describe the job he has done at Pitt. Can he do better? We will all know in about 10 years or so…

Comment by wbb 03.24.13 @ 1:45 pm

I posted also that Pitt is 11-9 as an average 4 (4.11) seed losing to #8 Butler as a 1 seed, Pacific, Bradley, and the Xavier loss as 3 seed.

Nice job getting into the Tournament…but once in, not so hot.

Comment by Jackagain 03.24.13 @ 2:51 pm

AGREED. There is a slim chance Pitt could part ways with Dixon and end up with something better. But slim is what it is.

We make too much of his “unwillingness to change style.” He has done a lot of things outside his comfort zone the last couple years in response to his players not really being the guys he wants them to be.

Jump shooters are valuable, and Pitt could use one. But we really just NEED the guys we have to be better at their strengths. Robinson can be a scorer when he drives to the basket. Patterson could score if he would take a damn shot. Adams needs work on his hands and positioning but is a real talent. Zanna has raw potential but doesn’t know how to finish against good competition. Some of that is on Dixon, butt he last two years I think it has been far more of a personnel than a coaching issue. And it’s been good recruits not living up to the billing as opposed to poor recruiting.

Comment by pittbaster 03.24.13 @ 3:29 pm

I surely do not want Dixon to go but having said that I hate the huge extension that he got in order to keep him from taking a job that he did not want in the first place. These extensions rarely work out; because he will bolt when the right job comes anyway.

Comment by Chuck Morris 03.24.13 @ 3:31 pm

Dixon’s extension is great news, for not only does he win but he does it running a clean program that graduates players.
Jamie does it the right way ! He will get Pitt to the promise land.

Comment by Spindler's Spirit 03.24.13 @ 3:41 pm

Great summation Chas, nice to have you back. Hope you are feeling better.

How about the loyalty that Jamie has showed to Pitt. He has had many offers, and again has chosen to stay. He is one of very few that hasn’t used us as a stepping stone.

Let’s hope our players realize the opportunity they have coming up and work hard to get the bad taste out of their mouths.

Congratulations to Pitt for doing the right thing.

Comment by gc 03.24.13 @ 4:04 pm

GC, Please explain many offers. I don’t know of any offers, just talk. When did he interview and turn down offers? Thx

Comment by Upittbaseball 03.24.13 @ 4:12 pm

Well said, Chas. I think the last point is the most salient. Who, indeed, would want Steve Pederson making another hiring decision, ever?

Comment by Scott 78 03.24.13 @ 4:18 pm

Upitt,

If you don’t think Jamie could have left for more money on several occasions you would be wrong. Did his agent or he ever talk terms, who knows. Does it matter, does it make him more or less loyal?

Comment by gc 03.24.13 @ 4:25 pm

Upittbaseball, well, you also most got me again … but when you posted last night that Dixon’s regular seasons were mediocre, I realized that you are just putting people on … and nobody could be that ignorant. Another good one!

Comment by wbb 03.24.13 @ 4:28 pm

He has been loyal but to act like the man turned down multiple jobs isn’t true. he wasn’t even offered USC’s position.

Wbb – I truly believe Dixon has been mediocre with the exception of 2 seasons at Pitt.

Comment by Upittbaseball 03.24.13 @ 4:37 pm

Chas, Great summary of where Pitt stands in the college BB world and why Dixon is great fit for Pitt.

I’m a very cynical person when it comes to the whole business of college sports (meaning I don’t normally buy it when anyone in college sports acts like it is not a business and not ultimately about money and winning) , but I actually believe Jamie Dixon really means it when he says he wants to only coach at Pitt.
I am not saying that will happen since his bosses would probably change before he would retire and who knows what changes a new regime would do.
and the saying goes ‘most don’t jobs,,they quit bosses’.
….
But as long as Pitt will have him and he respects those above him, he’ll stay no matter what money is thrown at him.

Comment by milo bloom 03.24.13 @ 4:39 pm

meant to write …and the saying goes..’most don’t quit jobs..they quit bosses.

Comment by milo bloom 03.24.13 @ 4:41 pm

Note on the tourney…I know CBS is trying to get as most money as they can out of the tourney..but I really hate how all afternoon they only show one game at a time and then cram the rest on in the evening.
Only one game to watch up until 6:10 pm ET on Sunday.
At least they were good games to watch today..yesterday’s not the case.

Comment by milo bloom 03.24.13 @ 4:47 pm

relax mike gottfried had a life time contract until pitt decided he was dead,11 sold out seasons, 11,000 on waiting list, its business, thanks for steeppin out chas, u want loyalty look at a class coach ,our baseball coach

Comment by paul shannon 03.24.13 @ 4:49 pm

Upitt, so let me get this straight so if you don’t get the offer in writing you never had an offer. So if Jamie has told all suitors that he is not interested, he never had any offers. Technically true.

Comment by gc 03.24.13 @ 4:51 pm

GC…you are right as well. I’m sure there was interest back n the day from Oregon and recently USC. I just don’t think USC was ready to hand him 2.5M plus the car keys to the program after watching our game vs. Wichita State is all. As a side note, UNC is playing KU pretty tight.

Comment by Upittbaseball 03.24.13 @ 5:06 pm

5 star players

Comment by gc 03.24.13 @ 5:13 pm

Upgrade the assistant coaches. Get somebody that knows how to recruit. We used to have guy’s on our bench that other schools wanted to grab to coach their teams. Doesn’t seem to be much interest in the current assistants. What does that tell you?

Comment by Wayne 03.24.13 @ 5:40 pm

Sources told the LA Times that JD was given right of first refusal on the USC job.

Comment by Scott 78 03.24.13 @ 6:05 pm

great post Chas..I remember when Ralph Willard was one of the hottest young coaches out there and Pitt was estatic to get him to replace Paul Evans…we all know how that turned out…mid-major and small school success does not always translate to major college programs…glad JD will be around for awhile and especially for our move to the ACC…

Hail To Pitt

Comment by Leaseman 03.24.13 @ 6:11 pm

Before Arizona St hired Herb Sendek, they offer Dixon much mmore than what he was making at Pitt, and the AD (same woman who hired Fraud) was reportedly stunned that he didn’t accept.

In the spring of 2010, Oregon went after Dixon with the backing of Phil Knight and no deal was struck.

Meanwhile, if you would do a little research, you would know that the entire LA media was certain that Dixon was coming to USC.

The reason that you haven’t heard that he turned down the deals but you should know by now that Dixon NEVER talks about potential jobs, and the ADs who have been spurned sure as hell aren’t going to say anything out of respect for the guy they do hire

Comment by wbb 03.24.13 @ 6:13 pm

Hope u r feeling better Chas. Thanks for your comments We all have to remember,as has been stated, that we are not in the hotbed of basketball talent and Jamie has done his best with what he could get. I was just thinking today that if you take the regional colleges and compare to where Pitt is , we are sitting pretty. I don’t see Huggy Bear and the 1000 mile trips that the Hoopies have to take on weekdays as much as a threat with potential recurits. Same with Duquense, Robert Morris or Ped State. In Pa, Temple and Villinova will always have us fighting for the same recruit but with the ACC connection we should again be in good shape. I am by nature a positve guy and see things in the near future as much better with Adams and Robinson having a year of college under their belt. Hail to Pitt!!!!!!!!!

Comment by BFoss 03.24.13 @ 6:39 pm

Repost from last one, only need a few more over there to get to ’900′. haha

Had IU & Ohio Fake played anywhere but their backyward, they both would have lost to TEmple & Iowa State.

This POD system is a utter joke.

If the NCAA is going to let them play virtually “home games” the penalty should be they have to play in the same region.

Same thing with Mich & Mich State playing at home at Auburn Hills. And L-Ville playing in KY.
Comment by EMel 03.24.13 @ 6:49 pm

Comment by EMel 03.24.13 @ 6:52 pm

Ok…final thoughts on this whole JD situation…do I like his style of bball?..NO..Do I think he is a descent coach…YES….could we do worse at HC…YES…I just don’t think his style of offense is going to work…and he does not adapt to his players strenghts..thats a problem…Plus the whole choaking in march….20+ wins is great…the success in the tourny is what stings

Comment by Keith 03.24.13 @ 6:58 pm

NCAA like the FB bowls only care about how much $$$ they can make. This homey process for high seeds also makes their seeding system look better than it really is.

Glad Pitt keeps Dixon because who knows what we would have gotten based on Pitt’s salary system.

Comment by Frank MD 03.24.13 @ 7:01 pm

Emel, I was thinking the same thing. Guess I don’t mind for the higher seeds playing neat their home, but as you say IU and OSU lose at more neutrall settings.

What is crap is a 4 seed Syracuse, who is in the EASTERN bracket having to go to the West coast and having to play 2 away games. Not to mention Pitt not only being underseeded but having to go across the country (one or the other please)

Comment by wbb 03.24.13 @ 7:11 pm

But obviously the Committee has done everything in their power to make sure as many Big 10 schools advance to the Sweet 16 as possible.

IU & Ohio Fake playing in Dayton, Ohio.
Mich & Mich State playing in Auburn Hills.

Nobody got the tournament committee favoritism ‘home games’ like the Big 10 got. Only L-ville from the BigEast got a close venue. Well ND did too playing in Dayton and that’s a disgrace as well since ND was a 7 seed. And #12 seed Oregon got placed in the closest venue they could have in
San Jose, CA. which suggest NIKE money influence was involved there. Really you give a #12 seed ‘home court’ advantage over a #5 seed (Okla. State). I would have been livid if I was the Okla. State coach or AD.

And gotta mention both Kansas & K-State got placed in Kansas City to play. That’s a crock too, these are not ‘Neutral’ Courts.

What do the Big 10, ND & Oregon have in common ??

Answer: they all reek of big money $$$$

Hopefully Syracuse will knock off Crean’s overated bunch. At least they’ll be playing in a ‘neutral’ site.

Which none of those 4 games mentioned above were !

Comment by EMel 03.24.13 @ 7:11 pm

you pretty much hit the nail on the head

Comment by wbb 03.24.13 @ 7:18 pm

People who haven’t been around long enough or just don’t want to see this crap like to deny this crap exists.

It’s staring you right in the face. What do they have to do, hit you over the head with a sledge hammer.

And like wbb said, Pitt got the double whammy of the committee, a low seed AND a trip way out west to Palookaville.

I would have liked our chances against say Montana and California. Than Wichita State who was in & out of the Top 25 all year and Gonzaga.

Whereas Montana & Cal never even sniffed the Top 25.

It pays to have a lot of alum at ESPN and in broadcasting…….obviously.

Comment by EMel 03.24.13 @ 7:21 pm

EMel..Pitt got the triple whammy playing at 11:40…

TV money matters to the selection committee…..and I’m sure they’re all spending some of it right now.

Kansas should never have gotten a 1 seed….I watched several of their games this year, including the TCU game, and they are a late 2 or an early 3 seed.

Comment by Jackagain 03.24.13 @ 7:29 pm

lol right Jackagain.

And Pitt played like it was 2 hours behind time.

Wichita didn’t really play much better, but you see they were only playing 1 hour behind time.

Gonzaga had to be a little Po’d as they should have been placed in the San Jose site being a #1 seed.

Comment by EMel 03.24.13 @ 7:35 pm

He is already adjusting to entering into a new conference with the type of players we are recruiting. Last year we got our big man and floor general for years to come and next year it looks like we are getting some slashers and scorers! I like what he is doing! But I do agree that some assistants need to step it up in recruiting or get Barry back. Great day for pitt! Anyone that thinks it isn’t is just a hater and not realistic!

Comment by Sweet Caroline 03.24.13 @ 7:41 pm

The ACC’s position of being the weakest of the 5 BCS or Big Conferences was reflected in their venue placement.

Duke as a 2 went to Philadelphia
UNC went to Kansas City
NC State went to Dayton
Miami as a #2 seed and after winning both the ACC regular season AND the ACC Tournament, STILL got shipped out to Austin, Texas.

Weird there were NO 1rst/2nd round sited in the Southeast/Middle Atlantic at all this year.
(closet site was Lexington, KY)

The sites almost reflected the huge down year of the SEC and a below average year for the ACC.

Comment by EMel 03.24.13 @ 7:43 pm

Relieved that the coaching situation has
been resolved. This year’s team over
achieved. Anyone one who objectively
looked at the individual scoring averages
would acknowledge the challenge this group
faced. Better days ahead. Robinson is a stud.
Adams will be more assertive. The mix
of current and new player will get us back to
the tournament next year.

Comment by JR 03.24.13 @ 8:00 pm

Is anyone watching Florida Gulf Coast? They’re taking San Diego State apart. Remarkable.

Comment by Scott 78 03.24.13 @ 8:01 pm

Amen.

Love that Chas put Duke on the second tier and not the first.

Also, as frustrating as the early exits have been, Dixon’s built a program that regularly makes the NCAA Tourny. I know it feels like banging your head against a wall but you have to keep making the tourny to have even have the chance to advance, and so long as Dixon’s program keeps making the post season however mediocre some of us may think its been, we’re gonna keep having chances. This is whats gonna give us the best odds to eventually make a deep run.

I think college bball (and football or other sports) is radically differnt than any pro game. You have to build a program, a culture, its reputation, and keep momentum going year to year. Other than those first tier schools Chas mentioned (who established themselves in antiquity) and second tier, currently successful school was built over time — Duke, UConn, Mich St (where Izzo, though a great great coach, had the fortune of Indiana then Michigan going into decline when he was building the program). I want a coach who we can name the court after one day, who’s been around and built the school over a long period, established a culture, a brand that is sturdy enough to sustain even after he leaves (years and years from now)

Comment by PantherP 03.24.13 @ 8:02 pm

This post was dead on. I enjoyed it very much.

Comment by Get the Glory 03.24.13 @ 8:07 pm

Want to make a point here.

Pitt wasn’t a totally pathetic all-time program BEFORE Howland/Dixon as I’ve seen written in a few posts. I’ll give some you a pass since you might not be that old.

A little History lesson is in order.

1963 Pitt was 19-6 (NCAA)
1964 ” ” 17-8 (NIT)
1974 ” ” 25-4 (Elite 8) this team won 22 straight games.
1975 ” ” 18-11 (NIT)
1979 ” ” 18-11 (NIT)
1980 ” ” 17-12
1981 ” ” 19-12 (NCAA 2nd round)
1982 ” ” 20-10 (NCAA)
1984 ” ” 18-13 (2nd yr in BigEast)
1985 ” ” 18-12 (NCAA)
1986 ” ” 15-14
1987 ” ” 25-8 (NCAA 2nd round) AP #8
1988 ” ” 24-7 (NCAA 2nd round) AP #2
1989 ” ” 17-13 (NCAA)
1991 ” ” 21-12 (NCAA 2nd round )AP #11
1992 ” ” 18-16
1993 ” ” 17-11 (NCAA) AP #13

As you can see PITT does have SOME basketball history and SOME basketball success BEFORE Howland got here in 1999.

Granted if some of you went to school in the mid to late 1990′s under Willard, he only had one winning season in 1997 at 18-15.

But this notion that PITT’s bball program has been historical pathetic is flat out wrong.

My theory is that if Pitt wouldn’t have invested over $300 Million dollars in The Pete, we would not be riding this success of 2001 to present.

But again we’ve had great teams at PITT BEFORE HOWLAND/DIXON. And in my opinion, the 1974 team along with the 1987 & the 1988 were 3 of the 4 best teams at PITT EVER. Along with the 2009 team.

So please quit whining that Pitt was pathetic before Howland/Dixon.

Comment by EMel 03.24.13 @ 8:08 pm

And if you want to go way way back like we do in discussing football.

Pitt was undefeated in 1928 at 21-0.

Boo-rah !!

Comment by EMel 03.24.13 @ 8:12 pm

Well said, PantherP.

Comment by panther94 03.24.13 @ 8:12 pm

Man, talk about revisionist history. The alibi artists, that gave us this same crap about Dave Wannstedt, are back out in force. Just cut and paste the same comments, and change the name to Jamie Dixon. At least Wannstedt could recruit.

Buzz Ridl was the best basketball coach in modern Pitt history. I cannot speak about Pitt basketball before 1968, so there may have been some great coaches that I cannot name. Ridl got Pitt to an Elite 8 when there were only 32 teams in the tournament, and had to play what was basically a home game for NC State to get to the 4. He had Billy Knight. He did not have Sam Young, DeJuan Blair, Lavance Fields, or a 7 footer. He started with nothing. Not like Jamie “Mr. March” Dixon. He supplanted the then obnoxious Red Manning and Duquesne Dukes as the team in Pittsburgh, and apart from a few unfortunate years during the Grgurich era, Pitt has never looked back. It may be hard for many younger alum to understand that. But Pitt basketball was an afterthought in Pittsburgh and even at Pitt before Coach Ridl. And none of his players were caught underage drinking, or with weed in their cars, albeit in the possession of their “friends.”

So how many more years do we have left? Does this year count? So it is only 9 more? Please tell me yes.

The main question about all of this, though, has to be “Why?” Or, WTF? We had the pleasure of Dixon through 2016. Where the hell was he going in 2017? Did other ACC teams chip in on this? Sheer, sheer incompetence. The same guy that brought Nebraska Bill Callahan, and Pitt, Mike Heywood and Toddy “Praise the lord” Graham.

Can’t wait ’til next year. What powerhouse will Jamie blow it to? My guess is Appalachian State. And then in 2015, I am thinking about Albany. Davidson and Butler will be in there, too.

Comment by PO'd Panther 03.24.13 @ 8:33 pm

Going to a shootout at the Garden. Oy vey.

Comment by steve1 03.24.13 @ 8:34 pm

Keith summed it up perfectly on the other thread. 3 final fours in 10 years at UCLA got Howland fired. One Elite 8 in 10 years gets Dixon a 10 year contract. After one, if not the second most embarrassing performance in the last 12 years at Pitt.

The difference between lofty goals, and content with running a cheap, but serviceable, program. The difference between and AD that has a vision, and one that might have, but for the location of his head in his anatomy.

Comment by PO'd Panther 03.24.13 @ 8:41 pm

Oy vey

Comment by steve1 03.24.13 @ 8:44 pm

Here we go again. Beating a dead horse.

Comment by Scott 78 03.24.13 @ 8:47 pm

And Chas, welcome back. Thank you once again for everything you do for this blog.

We have reached the point where we were willing to let Pedersen make the hire. That performance against Wichita State was that f’n bad.

Dixon was under contract for 5 more years. What the hell does this do? $ Other than make it harder for a future AD to fire his ass, which will happen, mark my words. The kids he is recruiting now will not even be here in 2017.

Why? Why? Why, why, why?

Comment by PO'd Panther 03.24.13 @ 8:47 pm

Emel — your list does not do what you evidently think it does. That’s not a great list, and it gets far uglier when you put ’93-2002 on there. I’m even more convinced Jamie is a very very good coach than before.

Comment by PantherP 03.24.13 @ 8:49 pm

Chas, I’m curious why your top two lines mentioned neither Louisville nor Arizona.

Comment by Imma Man! Im 40! 03.24.13 @ 8:50 pm

PO’d Panther – move on or go back to the old thread. there’s like three of you knuckleheads who have completely lost your perspective and keep harping on this. all things considered, Jamie staying one (whatever the contract structure) is the right move.

Comment by PantherP 03.24.13 @ 8:51 pm

Strike the Arizona non-omission, I didn’t notice them when I read it the first time.

But why not Louisville?

Comment by Imma Man! Im 40! 03.24.13 @ 8:52 pm

Food for thought: if Jamie Dixon maintains Pitt’s hoops success for another 10 years, that’ll make (say) 18 out of 20 years in the NCAAs.

And if (a) he can get to a Final Four (or two?) and (b) the football program continues to slog along with 7-5 to 5-7 records every year, Pitt will have become a basketball school whether it was pre-planned or not.

Comment by Imma Man! Im 40! 03.24.13 @ 8:56 pm

dixon is are coach end of story.
now on to outher things do you think we will get new asst coachs yes or no
what is the chance barry rohrssen comes back if we
do.
and ben howland was fired to night

Comment by FRANKCAN 03.24.13 @ 9:26 pm

This from Wikipedia:

The Dukes men’s basketball team has had great success over the years, playing twice in national championship games in the 1950s and winning the National Invitation Tournament championship in 1955.

Now I would call whoever wrote this line somewhat ‘delusional’. Since we’re talking 58 years and they’re talking about ‘great success over the years”

Now you want to talk about a pathetic program since 1980, talk about Duquesne.
Not Pitt.

You want to talk about a pathetic program since 1990, talk DePaul.
Not Pitt

I’ve been going to Pitt games since 1966 or so and we’ve never been pathetic on the order of DePaul in the BigEast or USF this year and most years.

Not even in the Willard years were we truly pathetic. As his teams did produce several NBA 1rst rounders in Mark Blount & Vonteego Cummings.

In fact Cummings was a better guard than any of the Howland/Dixon era.

And Jason Maile’s 40 points against Nova in 1997 is still a Pitt record.

If you look back at say the 1996-1997 Pitt team, it’s record was 18-15. Ok not great, not terrible, slightly above average. But let’s look at who that team played in the non-con.
It wasn’t littered with rent-a-wins.

#14 North Carolina
Illinois State
VCU
#21 Maryland
Northwestern
#8 Michigan

If Willard would have been more adept at scheduling ‘rent-a-wins’ in the non con instead of say the 6 listed above. Instead of 18-15 he goes 24- 9. Wallah……same as this year.

For that year we did beat Uconn three times, we beat Villanova, Georgetown and ND.

Ralph just wasn’t as adept in scheduling the North Florida’s, the Bethune-Cookmans, the Howards, the Kennesaw State’s. etc.

Comment by EMel 03.24.13 @ 9:28 pm

PantherP – Go read the previous posts… You will notice more than 20 or so wanted Dixon to take the USC job or we keep him under current contract. If you want a mediocre coach for 10 more years so be it but remember in 2-3 more years groundhog day will keep coming. Throw in a maybe .500 record in ACC. Good Luck with that.

Comment by Upittbaseball 03.24.13 @ 9:31 pm

PO’d Panther, many people are saying the people at UCLA are a bunch of delusional idiots for firing Howland.

And it surely isn’t a coincidence that Dixon’s contract extension was 10 years the same exact length that USC was rumored to have offered Dixon. But yeah keep on thinking that USC really didn’t want Dixon.

Comment by Wardapalooza 03.24.13 @ 9:34 pm

** for those not alive or whatever.

Vonteego Cummings was an NBA 1rst round pick.

Nobody playing guard in the Dixon/Howland era other than Brandin Knight ever played a game nor were drafted or even sniffed the NBA.

Comment by EMel 03.24.13 @ 9:36 pm

Did I just hear correctly on CBS that Kansas is going to their 5th Sweet 16 in the last 16 years? That can’t be right, can it? A powerhouse like Kansas with 5/16 and medicore Pitt with 3/10?

And Emel, I usually follow your posts but I’m not sure what your stats are trying to say. I don’t believe anybody called Pitt basketball history pathetic…

But the history you posted shows a tremendous lack of success most years and average success during the best years. If we’re going to include NIT one and dones as success then a CBI Championship should be a success as well. I hope that’s not what you’re trying to say.

Just one or two Elite 8 in previous Pitt history before Howland/Dixon? Is that right? That’s not good. And how many teams were in the tourney that year?

How can anyone not say that the last 10-12 years of Pitt basketball is the best and longest period of success in their history? And that includes the tournament performance.

Comment by Bowling Green Panther 03.24.13 @ 9:36 pm

Great list Emel. I saw the 64 and 74 teams in person. The 74 team was beating NCSt in Raleigh until Thompson got hurt and then NCST got hot. NCST won the title but never traveled out of NC in NCAA playoffs.

Comment by Frank MD 03.24.13 @ 9:37 pm

lol How about this Florida Gulf Coast U.

Made it to the Sweet 16.

And they’re not winning on buzzer beaters or last second FT’s or layups. They’ve won both games by 10 points. Who is Andy Enfield connected to ???

The wifie must be pretty good in the locker room as well.

:-)

Comment by EMel 03.24.13 @ 9:41 pm

Indeed, Ward. The LA Times says that Jamie had right of first refusal on the Southern Cal job. I guess that means they wanted him, alright.

Comment by Scott 78 03.24.13 @ 9:50 pm

Maybe the Enfield Rifle company.

Oh yes the 1974 team with Billy Knight, Pitt’s best Pro player ever and the Amoeba defense of Buzz Ridl and Fran Webster.

Won 22 straight games with a roster of all local Pittsburgh kids. Greatest modern-era Pitt team ever.

Got shafted like most Pitt teams with having to play NC State in Raleigh, a home game for them in the Elite 8. Naturally they won.

I met David Thompson years later, even played against him at the YMCA and he still is fearful of the word …PITT. lol

Comment by EMel 03.24.13 @ 9:50 pm

Don’t forget that team also had a silky smooth swing man named Keith Starr, who Red Auerbach loved until he tore up a knee his junior year.

Comment by Scott 78 03.24.13 @ 10:08 pm

@BG Panther.

My definition of average is average. That is to say .500. You win as many as you lose. The year’s I posted weren’t all the years PITT went above .500, I just listed ones that mostly included post-season tournaments.

The NIT of 1964 would have been a far tougher field than say the NIT of present day. I hope you realize that. The NIT of 1964 would have included prolly the whole field in today’s NCAA field. Back then ‘ONLY’ conf. champions made the NCAA field. Also the NCAA field was only 25 schools in 1964.

So instead of the supposed 69th best school in the NIT, it was only the 26th. So in fact the whole field of the NIT in 1964 would have been in a 68 team NCAA field.

Hope this helps !

Comment by EMel 03.24.13 @ 10:11 pm

Much easier to get into a 68 team field than the old days.

Wouldn’t you say ???

Comment by EMel 03.24.13 @ 10:13 pm

Congrats to our PA bro’s over at LaSalle.

We beat them last year didn’t we.

Anyway they too have made it to a Sweet 16. First time they’ve even been in the Tournament since 1992. Making the most of their time.

Must be killing Nova. haha

Comment by EMel 03.24.13 @ 10:20 pm

I’m happy to have Dixon back. I can’t believe all of you haters have such short memories. I guarantee you were all talking him up when we won the Big East Championships or a couple of years ago when we won the Big East regular season or when we went to the Elite 8 (almost the final 4).

Comment by panther94 03.24.13 @ 10:22 pm

I still think the Charles Smith team here was the best actual team of players ever…inferior coaching though.

link to deadspin.com

Comment by Jackagain 03.24.13 @ 10:25 pm

Here’s some more stats for everyone.

Take away the 12 rent-a-wins.

Pitt was 12-9

Very similar to a lot of years I didn’t post on my list. Slightly above average.

So if you want to get all excited about beating,
Mount St. Mary’s, Fordham, Lehigh, Oakland (almost lost), Delaware, Howard, Detroit, Duquesne, North Florida, Bethune-Cookman, Delaware State & Kennesaw State go right ahead.

Until this team does something in March again I will consider years like this,,, nothing but slightly above average. Which it was !

Nothing more, nothing less.

Comment by EMel 03.24.13 @ 10:31 pm

The Smith team had more stars but the 74 team played like they all had the same mind in different bodies.

Comment by Frank MD 03.24.13 @ 10:37 pm

Emel, I agree…it was only slightly above average. But, that was a big improvement over last season. I think we’re going to make a statement next year in our first year in the ACC. Why don’t you jump on the team and come on in for the big win?

Comment by panther94 03.24.13 @ 10:38 pm

Slightly above average against real competition and below average in March. The exciting thing about Pitt is their play at home against top 10 teams.

Comment by Jackagain 03.24.13 @ 10:42 pm

And that’s pretty damn good for season ticket holders.

Comment by panther94 03.24.13 @ 10:43 pm

Agree Jackagain

No doubt. They had the best collection of players.
Two 1rst round NBA draft picks, with one being a lottery pick in Charles Smith and Jerome Lane being the other. And a great collection of secondary players including Demetrius Gore, Rod Brookin, Darrelle Porter, Sean Miller, Jason Matthews, Bobby Martin and then some really good role players in Nate Bailey and Pat Cavenaugh.

Had not Brian Shorter been Prop 48 and Rod Brookin not flunked out, that team would have been near unbeatable. Also Mike Goodson transferred out and he would have provided senior leadership at PG. We had to rely a little too much on 3 true freshmen that year in Miller, Matthews and Porter. And that ended up costing us in the Big Dance. And the lack of depth with Shorter and Brooking not being eligible.

Best collection of players on a Pitt team EVER, most assuredly.

Comment by EMel 03.24.13 @ 10:58 pm

That team was a lot of fun to watch.

I still can remember when Dickie V said on the ESPN studio show in January when Rod Brookin became ineligible for the 2nd semester. He said, “well that is going to be a real problem for Pitt ”
And he didn’t think they’d make the Final 4.

Of course we didn’t want to believe it, but it became true. Pitt was on TV all the time back then as well and there wasn’t all the other ESPN’s back then. As ESPN 2 didn’t launch till 1993. We were on CBS more back then, as well as ESPN during the week.

Loved the Pitt script hoop uni’s back then as well.

Comment by EMel 03.24.13 @ 11:08 pm

Dude, I went to school after Evans, and I’m telling you we were pathetic! I saw us lose that lllinois st game and nearly losing to Duquesne! And in that long list of seasons I didn’t see many sweet sixteens or elite eights! Until howland and Dixon! Yes we have some tradition with good players that have passed through but we have a consistent program now! Year in and year out! Solid program! I wish more Pitt fans would see how lucky we are! Yes it sucks losing in the first round but I got a lot of friends who went to schools that don’t make the dance every year and they always say they would gladly change positions!

Comment by Sweet Caroline 03.24.13 @ 11:09 pm

I figured you did Sweet Caroline.

But like I posted only two years before Howland arrived we were 18-15 and made the 2nd round of the NIT. So they weren’t pathetic. Record would have been much better with a non-con like this year. They were pretty bad the next year but still not like DePaul.

But anyway it’s nice to be in the NCAA’s near every year, it’s just wearing on me and some others that we nearly underachieve every year.
And this year, the game wasn’t lost on a fluke or a foul shot, it was a blowout !
And when you see schools like VCU, Florida Gulf Coast, LaSalle and many others advancing,

it’s just very very frustrating.

Better days ahead !!

Comment by EMel 03.24.13 @ 11:20 pm

Anybody else a little uncomfortable with parts of this article or is it just me?

link to triblive.com

The whole “AD and Chancellor are my best friends” thing. I dunno, I think I’d prefer a little more of an arms-length relationship in what is, after all, a business.

Comment by BATR 03.25.13 @ 5:30 am

The problem with Pitt is not all on Dixon. The problem is noted by the attitude pointed out by BATR. Until that changes, Pitt won’t succeed. If that thinking or reality exists, you don’t have accountability. You are protected and you can be complacent and mediocre. What happened to the standard? UCLA has one. Pitt needs to get one. Jamie should be given a short leash and specific deliverables. If he cannot obtain them, he should be removed. Again, why is he given a longer leash than Wanny? Why does Stevie still have his job? A new Chancellor changes all of this dynamic. Yes, it is a business. You get paid for results. Time to start getting them.

Comment by TX Panther 03.25.13 @ 6:51 am

I’m glad we have Dixon. Most coaches in his position would have left by now for the money. The guy has been successful, recruited well, is a good person, and has been very very loyal. People need to remember that Pitt is not a destination job for most hoops coaches – there are just a few of those. I don’t want our hoops program to turn into what happened with the FB program before our current coach. If we lose Dixon, we lose Adams and some incoming recruits. A new coach could end up being a flop. My biggest issue is that I doubt we pay enough for top assistant coaches – seemed like some of our best years included some high level assistant coaches who left for head coach positions.

Hail to Pitt and congrats coach. …and thanks for showing loyalty in a business that lacks it!

Comment by Dish 03.25.13 @ 6:59 am

I would like to add one thing to the Ralph Willard debate – yeah, he had some decent players on his teams, but he came from a small school mind set and was in no way capable of handling the discipline needed for his kids. He had a higher criminal element percentage than Wannstedt. THAT is what ultimately got him fired. Put him in a small, non-urban school (Western Kentucky and then Holy Cross) and he was gold.

Comment by KeyboardKev 03.25.13 @ 7:12 am

Comparing UCLA to Pitt is like comparing Pitt to Duquesne. At UCLA you are able to recruit the best of the best, the real one and dones, you have a major league budget and a history of championships.

They will be able to select from the best coaches available.

Let’s be honest, with apologies to Emel, we have a tradition that is above the line, but not by much.
Our Halcyon days were in the Golden era of the Big East which were dominated by names like Sleepy Floyd, Patrick Ewing, Chris Mullin, Sherman Douglas etc. Smith was great, but Lane would be an afterthought if not for “send it in Jerome” great rebounders don’t make the highlight real.

Although our recent success was due to a local phenom, DeJuan Blair, we are in area with a dearth of talent.

We have a University and Administration known for it’s frugality (euphemism for cheap) which is also snakebit by recent hiring experience.

We have a coach that has kept us in the top quartile of our very competitive conference, has had reasonable success in both tournaments, despite, the upsets, close calls etc. Has had a reasonable comeback after his one poor season out of ten. He has provided a great deal of stability and success to a University that is used to anything but…

There are always those that want to get rid of a coach, plenty are highly critical of Chryst, there are naysayers regarding Tomlin.

Luckily, they are not the decision makers.

Comment by gc 03.25.13 @ 7:33 am

Yes, right now, I actually would prefer Sean, Shaka or Stevens … but there is absolutely no guarantee we would get them. Same for the new young hot property Enfield (although maybe you need more than a 1 year sampling.)

But it’s more likely our pool of candidiates include the likes of Toole, Rice, Dambrot, Herrion, Antigua and other top assistants with no HC experience. Would we pick the right one?

Comment by wbb 03.25.13 @ 7:36 am

Saw Dixon on TBS channel last night. Very good ambassador for Pitt.

Comment by Frank MD 03.25.13 @ 7:37 am

To all of those examining Dixon’s accomplishments, on the plus side, not one mention of the CBI Championship he brought home last season. LOL, just remember it can ALWAYS get worse than a couple one and dones in the BE and NCAA tournaments.

Now on to Spring football!

Comment by Dr. Tom 03.25.13 @ 7:39 am

I think Pitt needs to recheck what they look for in recruits… How does Florida Gulf Coast have all these high flyers? We need athletes. If you are going to bring in projects, at least bring some in with some kind of athletic prowress.

Comment by Pittastic 03.25.13 @ 7:40 am

Pittastic, not casting aspersions on FGC, but there are also academic requirements to consider, in getting into school and staying eligible.

Even among the top schools, I am sure there is some variance in what is considered doable.

The NCAA is supposed to monitor this and maintain a level playing field…but when you compare public school test scores among regions, the northeast does well compared to the southeast.

Fl and TX always close to the bottom.

Comment by gc 03.25.13 @ 7:53 am

I understand. I believe they were a community college pretty recently but they are a fun team to watch.

Comment by Pittastic 03.25.13 @ 8:06 am

Dixon is awesome for Pitt. Glad he is staying a long time.

Comment by notrocketscience 03.25.13 @ 8:31 am

Yeah, I like the high flying stuff too. There is a lot to be said for the entertainment value of the high intensity offense.

It would be nice to see the Pitt offense loosen up a bit. Passing around the perimeter using up the clock, trying to find the perfect shot, running out of time, making one pass to many. It is frustrating and boring at times, especially when it is not working.

There certainly is something to playing loose at tourney time.

Comment by gc 03.25.13 @ 8:33 am

I would chose any poster on this blog to make decisions regarding Pitt’s athletic programs over the existing overpaid and incompetent athletic administration. Unfortunately, we are not the decision makers and don’t have the money to buy change. If you are happy with the current overall state of Pitt athletics, keep drinking the Kool Aid. I for one, expect more. We’ll see just how unprepared and uncompetitive we are next year in the ACC. It won’t feel good being at the bottom in overall sports. I actually think we’ll do o.k. in football and basketball but an AD is supposed to represent ALL student athletes.

Comment by TX Panther 03.25.13 @ 9:13 am

Got a chance to see Florida Gulf Coast in person last night. They are for real. They don’t play uptight or hesitant. They can jump!!

Comment by gdodson 03.25.13 @ 9:14 am

Pitt just released it’s 2013 home out of conference schedule.

Nov. 15 Saginaw Valley
Nov. 19 Anchorage Southpointe
Nov. 24 Robert Morris
Nov. 29 West Virginia Wesleyan
Dec. 4 IUP
DEC. 6 Maryland-Ocean City
Dec. 11 Frostburg State
Dec. 14 Philadelphia Technical and Practical
Dec. 17 Millersville-Scranton Campus
Dec. 21 Upper St. Clair

Comment by Dan 03.25.13 @ 9:28 am

I think Dixon can do the job. He should clean house with some assistants.
In my opinion he needs to change his philosophy on recruitning guards (Robinson was a great get) and his offensive scheme needs to be flexible based on the teams strengths not the same offense. Perimeter pitch and catch when you have one of the most talented 7′ players to come along in years. He is inexperienced but he is more athletic than any center in college.
He also has offensive weapons not used last year, ability to gace the basket and to put the ball on the floor.
Dixon needs to tell him he has 100% confidence in him and this year were coming inside.
Hoping that Young is as capable as he appears, stronger and better shooter than Zanna. He should start from game 1 and get plenty of minutes.
Pitt can be the Yang in a confernce of Yings.
Rather than built from the outside (guards) in Pitt is from the inside out.
Get the ball inside foul out their big men, control the boards to reduce fast breaks and use their size to offset penetration. Guards overplay their guards to take away the 3′s and Young and Adams to pick up the consequent penetration.
Could work in the ACC. What will not work is Patterson as the go to man. He is too slow to play the 2 guard in this league.
Options
Adams
Young
Robinson – who I am certain will improve his outside shooting as his confidence will come with Woodall gone.

Comment by pittisit 03.25.13 @ 9:35 am

The “we could do a lot worse than Dixon” argument is valid, especially with Pitt’s current AD and with the transition to the ACC.

It is also very reasonable to argue that Dixon has taken the program as far as he is capable.

Next year is absolutely critical to the long term success of Pitt hoops. A big part of Pitt’s brand has been its association with the Big East. Pitt has built its tough, blue collar reputation by winning nationally televised BE games, BE regular season championships and games/titles in MSG. The move to the ACC will redefine Pitt, the open question is how.

Pitt appears to have a lot of talent coming back next year. Assuming Adams returns, Pitt will have some high potential youngsters mixed with a bunch of older, experienced guys. That has been a good formula for Pitt in he past. Many of us have been pointing to ’13/’14 as Pitt’s best chance to make a run.

So going through a coaching change now would have been Irresponsibly RISKY.

If next year is another dissappointment, expect the voices of the folks who think we can do better to get much louder.

Comment by Boubacar Aw 03.25.13 @ 9:37 am

pittisit – very, very difficult to improve your outside shooting so we will see on that.

Dan, I live in USC and USC has not signed the contract yet. USC wants Pitt to come to USC’s gym.

Comment by rayhpgh 03.25.13 @ 9:38 am

Wonder what the University’s out is with the Dixon contract? After the next year or two in the ACC, they might have to use it.

Comment by PittofDreams 03.25.13 @ 9:40 am

Actually, it’s true. Having Jamie Dixon at Pitt is not the worst thing in the world.

But the question is whether Jamie is too hard headed to make needed changes that can help raise the level of Pitt basketball.

First, a change in assistants.

Next, will Dixon prove flexible enough to adjust his style of play if it is true as many claim that “Jamie Ball” causes talented players to shy away from Pitt?

Comment by PittofDreams 03.25.13 @ 9:47 am

If the great UCLA ends up with Mick Cronin as head coach can we all agree that keeping Dixon was the right move?

ACC was worse than the Big East this year. Pitt would have been fine in the ACC this year.

I can’t see anything but a beefed up non conference schedule next year. No real reason not to. The athletic department needs the revenue excuse doesn’t work in the ACC. But who knows, Pitt knows that people like me will buy the season tickets and pay for those bad games no matter what.

Comment by Wardapalooza 03.25.13 @ 9:48 am

Last article was mine

Comment by Dan 72 03.25.13 @ 9:51 am

ACC has 15 teams next year and an 18 game schedule. So Pitt should play 4 ACC teams home and home + maybe a B10 team in ACC-B10 Challenge.

Pitt needs maybe two or three other tough opponents to have very very good RPI.

Comment by Frank MD 03.25.13 @ 10:02 am

GC – Just because Florida GC has stud athletes doesn’t mean they are stupid or couldn’t get into Pitt. It means your beloved Jamie Dixon can’t spot talent. The studs at Wichita State, Florida GC, etc. were not scouted or recruited by Dixon as he never takes his head out of NYC. All the teams in the tourney have far superior talent to our team and that includes Adams.

Comment by Upittbaseball 03.25.13 @ 10:08 am

Upittbaseball… You’re right on the money.

If DeJuan Blair wasn’t a hometown kid… would Dixon ever have recruited him?

That’s also one of the reasons why the change in assistants is so necessary.

Good recruiters who can counter Jamie’s weaknesses. Not just “Yes Men.”

Comment by PittofDreams 03.25.13 @ 10:19 am

Upittbaseball, the last real NYC recruit was Tray Woodall in 2008. But yeah you are right, Dixon really only cares about NYC.

Comment by Wardapalooza 03.25.13 @ 10:20 am

There are new academic standards starting in 2016 for incoming freshman athletes, we shall see if that really shifts the balance of power.
According to the NCAA:
15.3: Percentage of student-athletes who enrolled in 2009-10 but would not meet the 2016 academic standards
35.2: Percentage of football players who enrolled in 2009-10 but would not meet the 2016 academic standards
43.1: Percentage of men’s basketball players who enrolled in 2009-10 but would not meet the 2016 academic standards.

Comment by Chet Masterson 03.25.13 @ 10:30 am

Well, I guess all the other big name schools are as dumb as Jamie, because no one else spotted them either.

How many kids at Pitt are from NYC?

Woodall had a terrible game and therefore all the teams have better talent than Pitt. It appears to me that there is great parity right now and most teams can win or lose on a given day.

Florida GC and Wichita have great guards and they are hot. It’s rather disingenuous to pick the two overachievers in the tourny and compare them to anyone that is out. Every year there is a number of teams that beat the odds. Some like Gonzaga and Butler do it longer term, most do not.

Your hatred for Dixon is now requiring you to make stuff up.

Comment by gc 03.25.13 @ 10:36 am

Actually, didn’t Pitt have an assistant a few years back who was the one credited with having the NYC connection?

Comment by PittofDreams 03.25.13 @ 10:38 am

Next ten years are gonna be interesting. Cant wait for next season.Pitt basketball is going to ba alright everyone.

Comment by Kohan 03.25.13 @ 10:53 am

@rayhpgh, LOL!!! Gotta laugh or we’d go nuts!!!

Comment by Dan 03.25.13 @ 11:39 am

Pittof Dreams — it was Rohrson (spelling?) and you should know that if you are going to criticize Jamie’s recruiting and his allegedly poor current assistants.

UPittbaseball – look at how the recruiting classes have been ranked the past 5yrs. The schools ahead of Pitt are either 1) IU’s UKs, Duke, etc that have brands we can NEVER compete with, or ii) our peers like Maryland, NC St, Arizona. ALL of the teams in that second class have worse performances than Pitt over that period.

So after we get to the class of athletes left for us after UK, Duke, and UNC have their way, Dixon has actually done BETTER than almost any peer school. I think that may say SOMETHING about either that he actually is a good talent spotter or a good coach. Who are these imaginary schools that are doing things significantly better than Pitt (again other than UNC, UK)?

Let me guess you are also one of the sports commentators who stil, after all these years, refer to Pitt as one of those “hard nosed Pittsburgh teams”, despite that their calling card these days is offensive efficiency and rebounding. Its the same tire, old understanding of Pitt that makes you say Dixon only recruits in NYC even though only like 15% of his players have been from their and more are DC and Philly (and Montreal and Roturra NZ).

Comment by PantherP 03.25.13 @ 11:45 am

GC….okay let’s use Lasalle or ole miss or many other programs that didn’t do super well in the dance. The talent is still better is my point. I’m just saying its time to quit being satisfied. Dixon is who we thought he was.. A great man, runs a clean program, graduates kids, great ambassador for pitt.mhe just doesn’t win when it counts. march.

Comment by Upittbaseball 03.25.13 @ 11:47 am

GC and Ward….don’t waste your time with that poster and a few others of the same ilk. Perpetually and excessively negative…just likes to stir the pot. Troll or worse….a Pitt fan that hates Pitt. Ignore and move to next comment…not worthy of debate.

Comment by FG 03.25.13 @ 11:49 am

Rhorasen sp….was fired from Manhattan after a very bad wins and losses record. To my knowledge that was after the 2011 season. I think he is out of coaching at the moment. Not 100% sure.

Comment by Upittbaseball 03.25.13 @ 11:50 am

Dan, I see Duquesne has been dropped from our schedule. We upgraded to Saginaw Valley

Comment by wbb 03.25.13 @ 12:01 pm

Following up on Chet Masterson’s comment – isn’t there somewhere in the NCAA rules about losing scholarships due to poor graduation rate? And if so, when will that start to affect Kentucky?

Comment by KeyboardKev 03.25.13 @ 12:07 pm

Chas – late to the party, but never too late for kudos.

That was an outstanding post.

Comment by JLawrence 03.25.13 @ 12:08 pm

How do you know Cyanide Steve is lying?
He is moving his lips,
Actually, that isn’t fair of me.
But, this morning on 93.7 he betrayed his lies by beginning each lie with the words “you know, it’s interesting…”
When asked if the non conference schedule would improve , whether JD had proven himself in the NCAA tourney and whether Pitt would have to change it’s style of play, the
responses began with those words:
His actual answers after filtering out all the BS: Jamie doesn’t need to succeed in March if his conference performance is good: we ain’t leaving Pgh to play anyone good and JDs style is fine.
Make up your own minds, but I have to tell you that buying a season worth of tickets for a handful of good games does not appeal to me. I’ve scalped in no show Pittsburgh before and I will again.

Comment by SFPitt 03.25.13 @ 12:15 pm

I should add that according to Cyanide, no one good wants to come here and play.
Had he said no one good wants to play here without us playing at their place, I would have believed him.

Comment by SFPitt 03.25.13 @ 12:18 pm

SF – How that Cyanide makes 700K + is amazing to me. He isn’t worth minimum wage.

Comment by Upittbaseball 03.25.13 @ 12:26 pm

maybe Jamie will hire Tubby as an assistant

Comment by wbb 03.25.13 @ 12:29 pm

We all have our opinions conerning Dixon’s coaching and the players on Pitt’s roster. I completely disagee with the statement that said Adams is no player. When all is said and done he will be the best player to come to Pitt.
I agee with the colr commentarof the Witcha Stae game “the kid is a monster, he is a boy among men I can not believ Pitt is not getting the ball to him.”
The Trib sports writer hit on the head in my opinion with Adams and Robinson.
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Steven Adams vowed Thursday he’d be back for his sophomore year, but don’t tell me that wouldn’t have changed had Dixon left. That’s still another positive to the news Saturday.

And now that both are locks, it’s time for both to fully embrace this notion: The 2013-14 season is it for Pitt.

Because that might be all there is of Adams before he’s off to the NBA. As Dixon said, “He’s going to be a great player,” and those can’t go to waste.

It’s too bad it took until the Wichita State game for the 7-foot Kiwi to assert himself as he did that day with those 13 points and 11 rebounds.

It’s too bad Dixon didn’t demand that his guards pound the ball inside in all those nonconference duds, or Adams might be even further along. He should have touched the ball as often as Aaron Gray in his senior year.

It’s also too bad, candidly, that Adams waited as long as he did to find that next emotional notch.

To be fair, he’s only 19, he came from a background unlike that of most, and he hadn’t played basketball at anywhere near a Big East level. Still, there were times when Adams’ off-the-court aloofness carried onto it, and that will have to change.

“Steven’s got his own way, for sure,” forward J.J. Moore was saying last week, “but he’s a great teammate.”

No one would dispute it, but Adams has got to get fully, visibly engaged. He’s got to stop thinking, much less saying stuff like, “It’s not about me. I’m just one of the guys trying to do my part.” He means well. I get it. But a star’s attitude comes with a star’s acceptance of his or her own talent.

People talk about Pitt needing to get that one special player. Ask me, and Adams is it. I believe more than ever after Thursday.

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This is the critical second step. Someone’s got to get the ball to Adams. Tray Woodall didn’t for whatever reason, but freshman James Robinson often did.

Adams and Robinson can make for quite a combo.

“Those guys put as much effort into it as we did,” Woodall said, comparing Adams and Robinson to Pitt’s seniors. “They came in here as freshmen and fought as if it was their last year.”

Robinson had a bit of a breakout Thursday, as well, beyond his seven points, three assists. While Woodall was imploding, the kid was forced to take over ball-handling duties. And when the perimeter offense was firing blanks, he went hardest to the hoop.

There’s another level here, too. It was easy to forget in seeing Robinson’s savvy that he was so young, just as it was easy to get frustrated with his inability to finish on the drive. But Pitt’s coaches are richly confident the shooting touch will come.

If this past team was Woodall’s, the next will belong to a more polished, more battle-tested Robinson.

That will be an upgrade.

Forward

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Comment by pittisit 03.25.13 @ 1:03 pm

EMel – David Thompson had the best pure balanced jump shot I have ever seen. Still, had Pitt not played a “home” game against NC State, I believe we were at least the 3rd best team in the country. I followed them everywhere as I grew up playing basketball with Mickey Martin, one of their starting 5.

Speaking of great jump shots, I understand that the coach at Fla Gulf Coast, was one of those”shot doctors” to several NBA teams that we talk about every Novemeber when Pitt’s FT shooting is an issue. He quit his multi million dollar company because he wanted to pursue his passion, coaching college basketball and his wife told him to “go for it”. His wife could tell me just about anything and I would do it.

My one post college basketball story is that I played on a team in a summer league and we came up against the great John Lucas and Moe Howard of the MD team who might have been #2 that year.

It was a humbling experience.

Glad Dixon is signed on. Just don’t understand the 10 year thing!

Comment by Dan 72 03.25.13 @ 1:07 pm

@wbb, ya, I didn’t know if it was our turn or not technically on Duquesne.

Another case of money getting in the way. Would love Pitt to go into the Palumbo and Duquesne at the Pete.

Comment by Dan 03.25.13 @ 1:12 pm

Speaking of money, anyone on here want to pick up my property taxes this year??

Just for old times sake??

Comment by Dan 03.25.13 @ 1:13 pm

Dan – they had Florida Gulf Coast on next years pre season schedule of patsies but suddenly dropped them!

Comment by Dan 72 03.25.13 @ 1:42 pm

I think Adams may play the 3 next year, as JD likes players who are versatile and play out of their natural position. He woulda ahoulda coulda been a great 4. Malcom the 5.

Comment by frankarms 03.25.13 @ 1:54 pm

@Upitttbaseball
Cyanide is part of the corporate welfare department being run under the disguise of the Pitt athletic department.
As PSU’s women’s team makes a final four run, our sits on a 2 year conference losing streak.
As PSU’s wrestiling program wins its 3rd straight title, ours wins a diluted EWL and can’t beat anyone in the Big Ten.
Of course Cyanide extended Jamie. Waters takes the path of least resistence and Cyanide hasn’t hired a good coach in 14 years.
700k?
Wow, for that kind of money, the new track and natatorium must already be funded.

Comment by sfpitt 03.25.13 @ 1:57 pm

Some seem convinced Dixon should change his style,others say it is a talent issue and we need more athletic players.I think the problem is execution and attitude.I never saw Woodall play that bad before and Wichita St. seems to have done fine playing the same style we were supposed to be playing.From the beginning of the season til the pathetic end we avoided getting the ball inside hardly ever lobbing passes to Adams and Zanna.Grey used to miss half his inside shots and Mcghee was even worse but at least we got them the ball.Our big guys this year never got a real chance to show what talent they had because we spent a whole season throwing the ball around out front setting picks for guards who couldn’t shoot or drive.I am still amazed at how we completely disregarded any inside advantage we had and focused on an offense that seldom saw any success.Defensively I don’t think we need to do anything differerent and our players rarely gave up seventy points except when our offense was so innept as to require a lot of fouls at the end.I am not concerned about the ACC style or talent as we did just fine in a harder conference than what we will face there.I think what we need to do is what we needed to do all year.Force inside shots,draw fouls,and rebound agressively.It is obvious at this point that as long as you have enough wins to make the tourney the rest doesn’t matter.Next year I think it would wise to show up at the tourney with an offense that can at least take advantage of the talent that we have.We have a 7′ center with long arms and huge hands,we have a 6’10 power forward with long arms who is good at collecting garbage.Why did we just watch 30 some games with a bunch little guys shooting way more shots than them every game?I don’t claim to be Red Aurbach but common sense seems to dicate that we at least try to make use of our inside people next year.I am still scratching my head as to what could have been if we had done it this year.

Comment by spiritofsection22 03.25.13 @ 1:59 pm

Dan 03 – you should send your tax bill to Jamie Dixon. He is rolling in money now….or I could get my friend Bill who bet $5000 on Wichita State to beat Pitt (he has bet against Pitt every year and takes joy in rubbing it in) and let it ride on them to not only cover but beat the Zags. Think he is up to $21,500 with the odds. On top of that he has them going to the final 4.

Had Pitt been where they (WSU) are now, we all would be dancing around our respective desk’s at work. Ah …someday!

Comment by Dan 72 03.25.13 @ 2:05 pm

Glad Dixon is signed. Watch UCLA and Minnesota. Two very different programs but no guarantees that either will get better and not worse with new coaches. HTP!

Comment by OPFIM 03.25.13 @ 2:11 pm

@Dan72, LMAO, “suddenly, they dropped them”.

Good stuff.

Comment by Dan 03.25.13 @ 2:11 pm

spiritofsection22…. what happened to that pipe dream of yours that we we’re going to break out and roll some teams this year in the ncaa??? Remember when you mocked me for my prediction of a 15 to 20 point loss. How’d that turn out?

Comment by Coach Ditka 03.25.13 @ 2:18 pm

Ditka,You were talkin about the Zags,How’d they do?

Comment by spiritofsection22 03.25.13 @ 2:29 pm

I see Mayview had an escape today!!

Comment by Dan 03.25.13 @ 2:33 pm

OK but I think you were words were “we never lost a game the whole year by more than ten”. I think you were supposed to come in here and admit just how terribly wrong you were… still waiting.

Comment by Coach Ditka 03.25.13 @ 2:36 pm

Still think we would have beat the Zags and it will be quite a wait if you want me to admit I was wrong off a game that didn’t happen. I obviously was wrong to think would beat Witchita St.and I don’t recall you posting we would lose to them by that much,but if you did you are quite a guru.It is the only game we lost all year by more than 10,and if it makes you feel juicey I was very disappointed and surprised.I was actually right though and you were wrong,we didn’t even lose to the Zaqs let alone lose to them by 15 to 20 so maybe you should be the one offering admitted wrongs.

Comment by spiritofsection22 03.25.13 @ 2:46 pm

In case you forgot spirit here were your words:

“I refuse to not be optimistic in fact if we lose to Witchita St. or the Zags by double digits I will apologize,but until then you think positive.Fair enough?”

so whenever you would like to apologize feel free…

Comment by Coach Ditka 03.25.13 @ 2:47 pm

here was my exact prediction and as you can see I thought we would lose to witchita state but I didn’t predict just how embarrassing the loss would be:

“I can’t wait for my annual march disappointment with Pitt basketball!!!

If we beat witchita it will come down to the last 10 seconds of the game. That will set us up for a 15 to 20 point loss to the Zags.”

Comment by Coach Ditka 03.25.13 @ 2:50 pm

You never agreed to think positive so no.Very kind of you to point out exactly what I said though.

Comment by spiritofsection22 03.25.13 @ 2:51 pm

Ditka,your prediction wasn’t any closer than mine,but They sure had me fooled I have to admit that.

Comment by spiritofsection22 03.25.13 @ 2:54 pm

how did that positive thinking thing work out for you????

Comment by Coach Ditka 03.25.13 @ 2:57 pm

I wish Jamie Dixon would call the FGCU Coach and help him out with some advice. Jamie could explain to him that he should slow it down and play better defense. I just don’t see James Robinson running the FGCU offense. While he has him on the phone Dixon could tell him the secret to Pitt’s 3 point shooting.

Comment by Wayne 03.25.13 @ 3:01 pm

Works better for me,But it hasn’t worked out the way I had hoped yet.Maybe next year.

Comment by spiritofsection22 03.25.13 @ 3:03 pm

spiritofsection I think you hit the nail on the head. It is the same offensive scheme Dixon always uses. Blair did not get his points from entry passes they were from rebounds Young got his when Fields wasn’t playing around with the ball out front.
Young was awesome and did not get enough touches because of Dixon’s tendency to annoit the senior guard (marginal players) Woodall, Gibbs, Fields, Krauser to run the show and had the green light to shot at any time despite who was on the floor.
Dixon will be forced next year to have someone who understands the game, Robinson, run the offense next year. Someone who does not have an ego way beyond his skill level. This in itself will be worth 8 to 10 points a game.

Comment by pittisit 03.25.13 @ 3:10 pm

This whole conventional wisdom that Pitt is going to be stronger next year seems mostly based on the opinion that Adams will somehow morph into a dominant player.

I believe Adams will be better next year, but incrementally better. Maybe average 10 pts and get 8 bounds a game and block 2-3 shots and change a few more.

The thing is, that isn’t dominant. That’s just a good big man — maybe even good enough to be in contention for all conference 2nd or 3rd team. It’s not that much better than Gary McGhee was and Adams got pushed around a lot more this year than Gary ever did.

It certainly isn’t good enough to carry a team, especially in a guard’s game (did you see LaSalle beat Ole Miss?)…….. especially in a guard’s game in which Robinson is too slow to penetrate and you have no proven shooters.

We have to face the fact that Adams is years away from realizing his potential and we’ll see very little of that happen in a Pitt uniform.

This is the point Fittipaldo was making with the column about needing to do something with the remaining schollies. Pitt has to bring in some offensive punch now. They desperately need a guard who can get in the lane and either get to the hole or set up others and they desperately need a shooter.

With some more firepower on the floor, they can let Patterson get back to being what he is — an effective role player and they can let Robinson be what he is — an effective floor general who shouldn’t be counted on to beat anybody off the dribble.

And just let Ziegler go…….

So yes, Adams could be a nice part of a better team next year………..but only if Dixon scours the country and pulls in a couple ringers.

Comment by hugh green 03.25.13 @ 3:11 pm

pittisit, Adams wasn’t ready to get tons of touches in the nonconference schedule, but as he got more and more used to playing big time college basketball he got more minutes and more touches. That’s what you do with a very inexperienced freshman you take it slow. You don’t just throw him to the wolves and say hey carry out offense. He’s still learning things like how to really play against a zone D and whatnot. I just don’t understand why you continue to hype him to the point that if he doesn’t average 20, 10 and 3 next year that you will say Dixon wasted his talent.

Comment by Wardapalooza 03.25.13 @ 3:17 pm

Hugh Green – Great Post. Very True.

Comment by Upittbaseball 03.25.13 @ 3:20 pm

Also, Levance Fields and Karl Krauser were not marginal guards. Fields was a great PG and look at the roster Krauser had around him when he was a senior. The guy did everything that the team needed. And I wasn’t a huge fan of Gibbs but there was literally no one else on that team that could have handled the ball. So giving Gibbs the ball wasn’t the mistake, not having a competent PG on the bench was the mistake.

Comment by Wardapalooza 03.25.13 @ 3:21 pm

Hugh,What team couldn’t use the mytical firepower guard you descrbe? I think you underestimate Adams which is easy enough to do based on the fact we never made any effort to make him the central figure in our offense this year.I hoped Woodall would rise to the occasion but still can’t swallow how very bad he was.I can understand why some were skeptical of our chances but I definitely didn’t see the turd he through up coming our way.Seemed like a nice enough kid and I feel sorry his career ended so poorly.

Comment by spiritofsection22 03.25.13 @ 3:23 pm

Hugh, if Pitt plays LaSalle 10 times, Pitt wins 7 times. And if Pitt plays Florida GC Pitt wins at least 7 times. Let’s not overreact to a few NCAA tournament games.

Comment by Wardapalooza 03.25.13 @ 3:26 pm

the coach with the ny pipe line was barry rohrssen

Comment by FRANKCAN 03.25.13 @ 3:46 pm

College hoop in 2013 is a game based on penetration and scoring or penetration and kicking out for threes. Passing around the perimeter in the Dixon tradition isn’t going to get it done, especially in closely played tournament games that often come down to offensive playmaking at the end.

I’ve watched some Newkirk video. It looks like he’ll be the first athletic guard Pitt has had in many years. So my hopes are up for him but not as a freshman.

We all wondered why none of the guards would feed Adams this year. My guess is it’s because they saw enough in practice to know it wasn’t a hot idea. So yes, feeding him will be a better idea next year………but not something you can hang your hat on.

Ward…..glad you’re sure Pitt would beat LaSalle and FGCU 70% of the time. See if anyone will take your imaginary bet and pay you when Pitt wins all those imaginary games. One question — would you be expecting Woodall and Robinson and Patterson to be able to stay close to LaSalle’s backcourt? Guard them at the three-point line and also keep them out of the lane?

It’s like everybody thinks this team is just a few bounces away again and everything’s going to be OK when, all of a sudden, Adams becomes Bill Walton. Jeez, folks, I’d be excited if he got close to where Aaron Gray was his senior year.

There just isn’t enough around him on the roster next year. Like I said, very hopeful about Newkirk. But that probably isn’t the answer for next year…..

Comment by hugh green 03.25.13 @ 4:06 pm

A couple interesting comments from the CBS crew I thought were interesting.

Please, I know they’re talking heads, I’m just saying I thought they were interesting.

One was “in general”, the other actually related to Pitt.

Charles Barkely, general comment about recruiting and coaching, and I know he’s a bag of wind but…

“Hey, these kids know what’s going on and who’s playin’ what style. I’m tellin’ ya, these kids want nothing to do with these styles of setting up a play every time down the court.”

Kenny Smith talking about Steven Adams. The main set up guy (can’t think of name right now), said, “well, you know next year, Pitt’s offense will be running through Steven Adams, a 7’0″ athletic guy, it has too, who wouldn’t”.

Kenny Smith replies, “well, if they decide to actually run their offense through him.”

Comment by Dan 03.25.13 @ 4:36 pm

Feeding Adams couldn’t have looked worse than watching Woodall shoot and penetrate last Thursday.You don’t give him near enough credit and LaSalle throws up a couple good games and they become the model for the nation? FGCU has had a great run and deserve credit but I am not willing to anoint them the new order quite yet.The style you describe sounds real good but it didn’t seem to work too well for the Zags when Witchita St. played our style and sent them home.I think you just find fault and like kicking Pitt around.We are an easy target right now but that doesn’t assure we won’t do better next year.Adams looks to me like he will be way better than Gray.

Comment by spiritofsection22 03.25.13 @ 4:45 pm

Hugh, I definitely agree with most of what you say, particularly regarding penetration. We haven’t had anyone proficient at driving to the hoop or posting up and hitting the 5-15 footer. Patterson tries but is not routinely successful. Moore is stripped too often. As you mentioned, JR a little slow. I think Wright may develop, he looks a little like Wanamaker.

I disagree a little regarding Adams. More touches is going to make him better. He may not power to the hoop like our last big men, but I think he will be successful at drawing the D in and hitting the open man. His one on one moves are getting stronger. In any case passing around the perimeter for 25 seconds does not cut it.

I also like Johnson, and I think he will develop into a strong all around player, although I thought that about Moore and was wrong. Moore has next year and I hope he takes it seriously. Unfortunately I think Patterson has topped out.

Let’s hope that giving minutes to Johnson and Wright will pay dividends next year.

I hope you are right about the freshmen. If they fill weaknesses as well as Adams and Robinson did this year, we may surprise some people.

Comment by gc 03.25.13 @ 4:48 pm

Chas excellent post. Yes, we’re all dissapointed with the Wichita State loss, that’s no reason to fire a good coach who helped put you on the map. getting rid a Jamie Dixon, very successfull coach, who incidently wants to be here, would be foolish. Anyone who thinks Shawn miller would leave Arizona for Pitt is delusional. Coaching at Arizona is a better basketball job than at Pitt. Although Miller is doing well in the NCAA tourny, Arizona lost to UCLA 3 time this season. Twice in regular Pac 12 season and once in the conference tournament.

Comment by Justinian 03.25.13 @ 5:07 pm

EMel and Dan and outhers
there was a time if a coach wanted to get a QB
make his school a winner he just drove up to
the pittsburgh suburb of western pa and got one
here is a list of some of them.
john unitas
dan marino
joe namath
joe montana
charlie batch
jim kelly
babe parilli
george blanda
gus ferrotte
mac bulger
tom clements
terry hanratty
alex van pelt
bruce gradkowski
chuck fusina
john hufnagel
johnny lujack
dave havern
richie lucas
fred mazurek
tyler palko
luke getsy
tom yewcic
lou cecconni

i am sure i left a few off
but what happened we used to grow QB the way outhers grow corn and not just QBS but great QBS
some of the best of all time.

Comment by FRANKCAN 03.25.13 @ 5:31 pm

Pitt isn’t the only team playing outdated BB….ND, UCLA (was), Wisconsin, G’Town,….meanwhile Minnesota decides to fire their dinosaur for a…”fresh set of eyes”

link to espn.go.com

As I said though, if Dixon is willing to open things up some with new assistants who can recruit, stop the insane practice of pounding a square peg in a round hole (Taylor at the 5 instead of 4, Nasir Robinson at the 4, JJ Moore gaining weight so he play the 4, etc.) and let talented quick players play before they get to be lock down defenders in their junior year, stop starting seniors just because they stayed with you 4 years and gym pets like Patterson, I will be happy he stayed.

Now to see if this lottery ticket I bought brings me big bucks…

Comment by Jackagain 03.25.13 @ 5:37 pm

jackagain i won 4 dollars is that big bucks.

Comment by FRANKCAN 03.25.13 @ 6:02 pm

NIT just started booby mo up 9 to 2 lets go booby
mo.

Comment by FRANKCAN 03.25.13 @ 6:18 pm

LOL Frankcan….probably more than I’ll ever get.

Comment by Jackagain 03.25.13 @ 7:56 pm

“…i am sure i left a few off…”
Comment by FRANKCAN 03.25.13 @ 5:31 pm

FRANKCAN – you missed George Blanda, Youngwood, PA

Comment by JLawrence 03.26.13 @ 12:14 pm

Excellent evaluation of Dixon’s recruiting success or lack of it in Panthers Prey. Worth reading very insightful.

Comment by pittisit 03.26.13 @ 3:32 pm

hugh Green, Wichita state just beat and dominated LeSalle and I think outside of a Tray Woodall bad game I can’t see how much better the shockers are over Pitt. I think that these two schools are winning games solely based on hitting shots and scoring ahead of the opposing defenses. If you play straight up D and go down low these two teams have no chance. The problem is that Gtown and Miss State could not establish their defenses. But what you saw with Wichita State and you will see with florida is that if you can get back on D these teams aren’t good.

Comment by Native Washingtonian 03.29.13 @ 1:45 pm

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