March 14, 2013

This week has sucked. Some poor planning on my part has me working late every day this week. So on one of the best weeks in terms of number of games and quality, I’ve largely missed them.

That also will happen with the 2pm meeting at the Garden between Pitt and Syracuse. I have the DVR set, but that means cutting off from media from that time forward.

Unlike the last meeting James Southerland is playing. Syracuse has a game under their belt. They strarted slowly in the first half before overwhelming Seton Hall yesterday.

Hopefully everyone on the team is feeling healthier and mostly recovered from their ailments.

Just saw Jack R. Anderson and the Pitt Band at the garden. AWESOME. Had to go back to the office but had to say hi to Jack. Nicest guy (and he has the best job) in the world.

Comment by Pitt Dad 03.14.13 @ 12:59 pm

Lot of orange shirts here. Hostile environs. This is definitely going to be an away game.

Comment by SilverPanther in NYC 03.14.13 @ 1:05 pm

Let’s get this and shut down Porter tomorrow!

Comment by KeyboardKev 03.14.13 @ 1:11 pm

Too many 3 attempts so far…penetrate the zone!

Comment by KeyboardKev 03.14.13 @ 1:47 pm

Don’t like the pace or sloppiness of this game so far.

Comment by Pitt Dad 03.14.13 @ 1:50 pm

Well, we know which Adams is showing up today. Gonna be a long afternoon.

Comment by MikePITT 03.14.13 @ 1:53 pm

Come on sleepy…

Comment by MikePITT 03.14.13 @ 1:54 pm

Taylor really making a senior splash here today….2 fouls in 2 minutes…

Comment by Jackagain 03.14.13 @ 1:55 pm

Zanna brings the ball down.yet.again!!!!

Adams, one touch so far and not going after rebounds. Nobody posting to the foul line.

Everybody’s 3s too strong, a little too jazzed I think.

Comment by Carmen 03.14.13 @ 1:59 pm

Nice shot by Patterson.

Comment by Panthoor 03.14.13 @ 2:02 pm

No fouls underneath there???????

Comment by Pitt Dad 03.14.13 @ 2:03 pm

Too mamy 3s but nothing going on inside

Comment by Pitt Dad 03.14.13 @ 2:04 pm

Pitt not looking good at the 3’s…

Comment by Jackagain 03.14.13 @ 2:04 pm

Actually we’re 2/7. They’re only 3/8. But that’s half of our 14 shots. They’ve taken 21 shots already.

Comment by Pitt Dad 03.14.13 @ 2:07 pm

we’ve always penetrated this 2/3 pretty well.. settling for outside shots today that aren’t going down.. not a good start at all

Comment by usd121 03.14.13 @ 2:07 pm

9 points from the starters and Woodall is cold….I hope this is Pitt’s bad half in their Jekyll & Hyde style and they cut loose in the 2nd half.

Comment by Jackagain 03.14.13 @ 2:07 pm

Gotta stop Southerland. NOW.

Comment by Pitt Dad 03.14.13 @ 2:08 pm

Gotta work the ball inside. Not sure why the heck we aren’t doing that.

Comment by Kenny Powers 03.14.13 @ 2:09 pm

Poor defense this Cuse run

Comment by KeyboardKev 03.14.13 @ 2:10 pm

Can’t get down by 10. Not enough fire power and game too slow to come back.

Comment by Boubacar Aw 03.14.13 @ 2:10 pm

Syracuse hot, Pitt afraid to go inside to Adams.

Comment by gc 03.14.13 @ 2:10 pm

Over. Back to work.

Comment by Boubacar Aw 03.14.13 @ 2:13 pm

Can’t defend a halfcourt 3

Comment by KeyboardKev 03.14.13 @ 2:14 pm

3’s are killing Pitt….Cuse can’t miss and Pitt can’t make one. Looks like one & done again folks…

Comment by Jackagain 03.14.13 @ 2:14 pm

Glad I decided not to go to NYC.

Comment by Boubacar Aw 03.14.13 @ 2:14 pm

Cuse can’t miss and we can’t hit. I said it before and I will say it again, not a fan of the double bye.

Comment by Pitt Dad 03.14.13 @ 2:14 pm

Never seen Pitt play this horrible against a 2-3. Might be time to go to zone on the other end of the court too.

Comment by Kenny Powers 03.14.13 @ 2:14 pm

I don’t care that it’s still the first half. This game is over. Feel free to call me an unloyal fan. It’s readily obvious when a team isn’t up for a game. Pitt isn’t up for this game.

Comment by MikePITT 03.14.13 @ 2:15 pm

Pitt has gone to sleep on offense and defense. Woodall atrocious on both

Comment by Dan 72 03.14.13 @ 2:15 pm

If we don’t get our heads out of the sand after this timeout, then this game is possibly over.

Comment by Panthoor 03.14.13 @ 2:15 pm

Nice by Adams. Very nice.

Comment by Pitt Dad 03.14.13 @ 2:16 pm

I didn’t think we’d win….but I also didn’t think we’d get blown out.

Comment by JJ 03.14.13 @ 2:16 pm

Give Boheim credit. He has scouted Pitt to a tee and knows we have no inside game. All the guards of Syracuse are overplaying our guards.

Comment by Dan 72 03.14.13 @ 2:16 pm

@Dan 72: Good point. Credit given where credit is due.

Comment by MikePITT 03.14.13 @ 2:18 pm

Losing the rebounding and turnover battles so far. But it is early. Time, however, keeps on slipping into the future.

Comment by Pitt Dad 03.14.13 @ 2:18 pm

lol at people who blame the double bye instead of the coach who can’t beat a lower seeded team 4 years in a row

Comment by DeVanzo 03.14.13 @ 2:18 pm

Good response so far.

Comment by Panthoor 03.14.13 @ 2:21 pm

Adams needs to learn to go up strong everytime. Pitt very lucky to be within 6.

Comment by Dan 72 03.14.13 @ 2:23 pm

Not able to watch but looks like an old fashioned butt whipping.
Is it?

Comment by SFPitt 03.14.13 @ 2:23 pm

There is a stat. Pitt 7-10 on FTs and Cuse 0-0. Our defense is not playing tough at all

Comment by KeyboardKev 03.14.13 @ 2:24 pm

Scottie – Beam up Sean Miller at halftime. Hell, beam up Mitch Miller. Help! LOL.

Comment by Pitt Dad 03.14.13 @ 2:24 pm

They are going to give Adams that shot all afternoon. Get to the basket!

Comment by Panthoor 03.14.13 @ 2:25 pm

Woodall is terrible today.

Comment by KeyboardKev 03.14.13 @ 2:26 pm

Take Southerland off the floor and this is a different game. Need to do something to take away those open looks.

Comment by Pitt Dad 03.14.13 @ 2:26 pm

If Sutherland keeps hitting those threes it’s over. This game has become a huge mismatch. Orange is just a much better team today!So tired of this.

Pitt has been awful pretty much everywhere. I count 12 turnovers but there may have been more.

Comment by Dan 72 03.14.13 @ 2:27 pm

Running into a buzzsaw. Southerland is deadly. Can’t keep up this shooting in the second half.

Comment by gc 03.14.13 @ 2:27 pm

#IWILL change the channel if they let Southerland make a three before halftime?

Comment by Panthoor 03.14.13 @ 2:28 pm

You know it’s not your day when that shot rolls in.

Comment by Pitt Dad 03.14.13 @ 2:28 pm

I’d rather see somebody punch Southerland in the face than let him shoot another 3.

Comment by Iron Duke 03.14.13 @ 2:28 pm

Had a foul to give. Dumb!

Comment by gc 03.14.13 @ 2:29 pm

Jamie,Pitt, and March just don’t mix

Comment by mrmiket 03.14.13 @ 2:29 pm

Pitt has been beaten..ok annihiated in every phase of the game. Men against boys so far with Sutherland and Fair just having their way with us. My greatest worry, that Pitt cannot score with a hot team, has come true.

What an embarrassment.

Comment by Dan 72 03.14.13 @ 2:30 pm

We got em just where we want em, this game ain’t over.

Comment by gc 03.14.13 @ 2:31 pm

Oy Vey.

Doesn’t look good, both Sutherland and Triche have gotten off.

While nobody on Pitt has more than 5 points.

Comment by EMel 03.14.13 @ 2:32 pm

So glad I wasted a half day to come home and watch this crap. Pitt playing horrible all over. No big man can go up strong to the hoop. Adams is being given the 15 ft shots because he can’t make them and we are worse than average from 3. I have always felt the 10 deep means nothing if we don’t have a game changer, kemba walker, Sutherland, etc…

Comment by pendlum 03.14.13 @ 2:34 pm

It was down to 6 I think at 26-32, then everything just fell apart, they scored like 8 points in the last minute while we scored 1.

You can’t end a half like that.

Maybe it’s time to freelance, Boeheim & Cuse for sure know all our sets !!

Comment by EMel 03.14.13 @ 2:36 pm

Meanwhile PSU is hanging with Michigan…

Comment by Jackagain 03.14.13 @ 2:37 pm

lol at the call of playing a zone against Cuse – that worked out well.

Dixon + March = :(

Comment by DeVanzo 03.14.13 @ 2:38 pm

Rough first half. It happens. Pitt has come back more than once this year. Let’s see what happens in the second half.

Bright side, if Pitt loses give a few extra days of rest before the real tournament.

Comment by Wardapalooza 03.14.13 @ 2:38 pm

We’re outscoring them 7 to zero at the FT line or it would really be ugly.

Refs have ONLY called 3 fouls on Pitt.

I guess with all the turnovers they didn’t need to even things up. meh

Comment by EMel 03.14.13 @ 2:39 pm

Somewhere Donatas Zavackas is crying.

Comment by Panthoor 03.14.13 @ 2:40 pm

This is Pitt being Pitt in March. Why would you expect anything else?

Comment by BATR 03.14.13 @ 2:40 pm

Just went over my tape of the first half…ugly as it was. Not much Pitt can do. Orange is just a much better team today. Only real discouraging thing I see is Pitt defense hanging their heads as they set up, in utter shock I guess.

Still, a half to go. Which may or may not be good.

Keep the faith Pitt fans. Opening a new bottle of scotch…suggest you do the same.

Comment by Dan 72 03.14.13 @ 2:42 pm

Don’t understand home Pitt could be so unprepared. Flat emotionally. Confused tactically.

Comment by Boubacar Aw 03.14.13 @ 2:42 pm

If we lose today, means crappier NCAA seed (as most nationally have had doubts about Pitt all season) and a much more tougher 1rst round game and more than likely a 2nd round game against a #1 or #2.

First 5 minutes of the 2nd half is super important, we need to come out and cut this lead by half and put some pressure on them. We need to speed up the tempo of the game.

Comment by EMel 03.14.13 @ 2:44 pm

cmon Boubacar – this is the way Pitt has played almost every first half this year. This time it has bitten them in the ass. Orange have come to play. What’s really hurting us offensively is NO INSIDE game at all.

Comment by Dan 72 03.14.13 @ 2:44 pm

Same crap…different year

Comment by midwest panther 03.14.13 @ 2:45 pm

Dan – you watched that mess 2x? That seems masochistic. Wouldn’t it be easier to just bang your head against a wall?

Comment by Boubacar Aw 03.14.13 @ 2:45 pm

Oh and yeah if we lose it’ll be good cause we’ll be “rested” for the NCAAs. Lol

Comment by BATR 03.14.13 @ 2:46 pm

EMel – I really fear Pitt speeding up the tempo. That plays into Cuse’s hands. I think we have to run out the offensive clocks and try to wear Cuse down. Another 6-0 or 10-0 run by Cuse and this is over.

Comment by Dan 72 03.14.13 @ 2:46 pm

I mean losing to the Cuse in Madison Square Garden isn’t a death kneel or the end of the season. Cuse are a good team.

Comment by Wardapalooza 03.14.13 @ 2:48 pm

Pitt had 8 baskets in the first half ….Cuse 8 3’s! men agains boys

Comment by Dan 72 03.14.13 @ 2:48 pm

Adams was fouled underneath on the rebound long before he had to chase the loose ball.

Comment by Pitt Dad 03.14.13 @ 2:50 pm

Pitt has got to stop working the ball around the zone without making their man play/commit to them
That, my fellow fans is an excercise in futility.

Comment by Dan 72 03.14.13 @ 2:51 pm

Refs helping Pitt.

Comment by Boubacar Aw 03.14.13 @ 2:51 pm

Yeah he was mugged underneath, then 2 guys dive for the ball and he gets called for the foul. Horseshit

Comment by Kenny Powers 03.14.13 @ 2:51 pm

I got beat up for being so negatvie about this team..and now everbody is being negatvie..what gives…this team has many holes..duh!!

Comment by Keith 03.14.13 @ 2:52 pm

Pitt shooting 32%…..bring Durand Durand back in please, he doesn’t have the yips…….yet

Comment by EMel 03.14.13 @ 2:54 pm

The other thing Boheim has done brilliantly, so far, is figuring Pitt switches every screen. When you do that, their is gap in the time it takes to recover and guard your new man. Cuse is hitting 3’s like crazy in those gaps. Jamie has no choice, He has to have Pitt fight through those screens. Hang in there everyone…let’s see if we can get under 10 by 10 minutes

Comment by Dan 72 03.14.13 @ 2:56 pm

Stop watching sports if you can’t handle your team trailing against a very good opponent. What a bunch of crybabies.

Comment by Hollywood 03.14.13 @ 2:56 pm

Just can’t buy a bucket.

Comment by Pitt Dad 03.14.13 @ 2:57 pm

Syracuse has been reeling….Hollywood….or haven’t you been watching. sheesh

Comment by EMel 03.14.13 @ 2:58 pm

Jame Dixon = March Underachiever (Same old tune)Crown him if you want. I’d rather win in March when it counts.

Comment by Upittbaseball 03.14.13 @ 2:59 pm

Pitt sound asleep on the inbounds/ Zanna

Comment by Dan 72 03.14.13 @ 3:00 pm

I have no idea why Zeigler is getting this many minutes. He is contributing even less than he normally does.

Comment by Kenny Powers 03.14.13 @ 3:01 pm

down to 10 with durand durand

Comment by EMel 03.14.13 @ 3:02 pm

DJ showing some style on that layup.

Comment by Pitt Dad 03.14.13 @ 3:02 pm

Cause Coach is looking for some offense from anywhere….Kenny

Comment by EMel 03.14.13 @ 3:03 pm

Pitt needs anyone to drive on the zone. That is Ziegler’s best asset. We cannot continue to just casually pass it around the outside of the zone. Cuse is not even working up a sweat.

Comment by Dan 72 03.14.13 @ 3:03 pm

Also, by the way if you only care about NCAA tournament success then why do you even care what happens today. It has minimal impact on the NCAA tournament.

Comment by Wardapalooza 03.14.13 @ 3:05 pm

I guess, I think we’re gonna need JJ Moore to step up. He’s got the athleticism to make an impact

Comment by Kenny Powers 03.14.13 @ 3:05 pm

alright Woodie down to 7

Comment by EMel 03.14.13 @ 3:06 pm

@Hollywood, isn’t this a blog and post to discuss this game???

What should the posters be saying??

Please, some examples, thanks.

Comment by Dan 03.14.13 @ 3:07 pm

OK EMel -you win. Let’s speed it up. We are going to get beat either way. Might as well take our shot while there is time. Terrible call on Woodall push off. Other than that the refs have favored Pitt. Wish I had not bet my Syracuse buddy who played for Boheim in his first year.
Going to be an expensive day.

Comment by Dan 72 03.14.13 @ 3:09 pm

I guess the blood/foul rule doesn’t apply here. They go to the replay for every little touch, why not in this case?

Comment by Pitt Dad 03.14.13 @ 3:10 pm

I guess we got the whistles in the first half. Cuse gets them in the second.

Comment by Pitt Dad 03.14.13 @ 3:11 pm

Keep drawing those fouls..and make your fn shots!~

Comment by Dan 72 03.14.13 @ 3:12 pm

Whistles coming back but have to make the FTs.

Comment by Pitt Dad 03.14.13 @ 3:12 pm

It’s a game again, Folks.

Comment by Panthoor 03.14.13 @ 3:16 pm

I love the quote:

“Against all odds, the Panthers are back within 4!”

Comment by Pitt Dad 03.14.13 @ 3:16 pm

Trey Lets Go PITT!!!

Comment by DC33 03.14.13 @ 3:17 pm

Down to 4 big 3 by Woodie.

Right in it now !!!

Comment by EMel 03.14.13 @ 3:17 pm

And then Johnson takes 2 dumb shots in a row…THINK! (But not too much)

Comment by KeyboardKev 03.14.13 @ 3:19 pm

We can’t seem to get over the hump. Get close, they nail a 3.

Comment by JJ 03.14.13 @ 3:19 pm

If we play smart, this game is still winnable. Don’t force it. Just make it.

Comment by Pitt Dad 03.14.13 @ 3:19 pm

What is Durand Johnson doing????????

Comment by Carmen 03.14.13 @ 3:19 pm

Pitt got just a little crazy there. Good time for a TV TO. Down 7 and we need to continue driving on the Cuse players with fouls but Johhson, let’s not get too crazy

Comment by Dan 72 03.14.13 @ 3:19 pm

Feel a PITT run coming on !!

Comment by DC33 03.14.13 @ 3:22 pm

Steve Adams is not a very good college player.

Comment by Upittbaseball 03.14.13 @ 3:23 pm

Take the ball to the hoop…they can’t foul us…

3’s are killing us though….70% almost.

Comment by Jackagain 03.14.13 @ 3:25 pm

No foul, unbelievable.

Comment by gc 03.14.13 @ 3:27 pm

talk about swallowing a whistle. Grab an arm and no foul. Should be a T1.

Comment by Pitt Dad 03.14.13 @ 3:27 pm

I once took a course where I got to hear Bobby knight speak on end of the game strategies. He was always confident if his team was behind 5 with 5 minutes, 4 with 4minutes etc. We are down 4 with 4 minutes to play.

Comment by Dan 72 03.14.13 @ 3:27 pm

No quit in this team, unlike a lot of so-called fans.

Comment by gc 03.14.13 @ 3:28 pm

TRy double teaming Sutherland, sheesh the guy’s 6 for 6 from 3.

Maybe create a turnover since they won’t be expecting a double team.

Comment by EMel 03.14.13 @ 3:28 pm

and then they call that????

Comment by Pitt Dad 03.14.13 @ 3:28 pm

Draw blood, no foul. Grab an arm, no foul. I know the refs have been pretty fair to us today but c’mon. Nevertheless, this is still a winnable game.


Comment by Pitt Dad 03.14.13 @ 3:29 pm

If you go back and look. Pitt’s worst losses in the BET and NCAA were to teams who just shot 3’s out of their minds. Syracuse is doing that today.
If they can keep it up…we are toast. Can they???

Comment by Dan 72 03.14.13 @ 3:29 pm

Suprisingly, (actually not, sarcasm intended), in Pitt football and basketball, the better they play and the more they win, the comments become more positive.

The worse they play, and the more they lose, the posts become more negative.

You may be suprised to know, this is the same way it works for Yankee and Cardinals fans, Vikings and Raider fans, Penguin and Blues fans, and pretty much every college team.

Now, I know there are a couple negative knuckleheads, but most people are just discussing the game.

You need to blow off the knuckleheads and trolls and not lump everyone in together.

See, Pitt has played better, the posts are better.

Quite simple really.

Comment by Dan 03.14.13 @ 3:30 pm

PITT Dad — Your’re always positive. Nice!

Comment by DC33 03.14.13 @ 3:30 pm

Patterson just bringing it! Love how he has been attacking the hoop.

Comment by Carmen 03.14.13 @ 3:31 pm

If Southerland doesn’t score in the remaining 4 mins, we win this game.

Comment by JJ 03.14.13 @ 3:31 pm

That’s one down….now get the other big guy out.

Comment by Jackagain 03.14.13 @ 3:32 pm

I am still appalled by our 3 point defense.

Comment by Quvenzhané Wallis 03.14.13 @ 3:33 pm

Guards gotta make FTs

Comment by Pitt Dad 03.14.13 @ 3:33 pm

Chucking 3s is not what got us back in this game.

Comment by JJ 03.14.13 @ 3:36 pm

Oh MY Zanna the little girl with the curl tonight

Comment by Dan 72 03.14.13 @ 3:39 pm

Wow. How bad does that feel?

Comment by Pitt Dad 03.14.13 @ 3:40 pm

Whatta shame ….terrible pass..

Comment by Dan 72 03.14.13 @ 3:40 pm

Dan, big difference between critique and criticism.

Jamie is not an awful coach because Syracuse makes 12 3’s.

Tough loss to a team that played better today.

Comment by gc 03.14.13 @ 3:41 pm

Wow….what a turnover….game

Comment by Jackagain 03.14.13 @ 3:41 pm

Gutty comeback by Pitt..a shame we played so bad in the first half.

Comment by Dan 72 03.14.13 @ 3:41 pm


Good comeback only to fall short

Comment by EMel 03.14.13 @ 3:42 pm

Can’t beat a team that makes 12-19 3’s….Cuse deserved to win.

Comment by Jackagain 03.14.13 @ 3:42 pm

5 or 6th seed?? Hope PITT gets a decent 1st rd game. Lot of scary 11 & 12 seeds

Comment by DC33 03.14.13 @ 3:44 pm

Well now, if we take that 2nd half intensity into the NCAAs we will be OK. SOutherland is carrying the team, and we have no one to do that. It’s OK.

Comment by KeyboardKev 03.14.13 @ 3:44 pm

We had plenty of points left on the line. If we just shoot 75%, this is a tied game.

Cuse was hot. Southerland was hot in the first half of 2 games now.

Anyway, gutty comeback try. Lots of other teams would have laid down.


Comment by Pitt Dad 03.14.13 @ 3:44 pm

I am as exhausted as if I played or coached. Somewhere, somehow, this has got to turn in Pitt’s favor. Hope it’s the NCAA’s. What a disappointment. Syracuse was the better team on the floor this afternoon.

Comment by Dan 72 03.14.13 @ 3:45 pm

Now Pitt is going to be underseeded and should be plenty pissed off. Real games start in a week.

Comment by Wardapalooza 03.14.13 @ 3:45 pm

Perimeter defense was god awful.

Can’t allow any team to shoot 63% from 3
(12 of 19)

Apparently Coach forgot Sutherland was available for this game.

Comment by EMel 03.14.13 @ 3:45 pm

Difference in the game… The bounce in 3 pointer at the end of the first half.

I’m disappointed but ok with this loss. Syracuse hot and Pitt fought back. Some bad decisions down the stretch. There have been worse losses…

Comment by Iron Duke 03.14.13 @ 3:46 pm

I was wrong, Southerland didn’t score in the final 4 mins and we didn’t win.

Comment by JJ 03.14.13 @ 3:47 pm

If they pare us up against a team that shoots 3’s well. We’ll be toast.

One and done !

Comment by EMel 03.14.13 @ 3:47 pm

Hate to lose, but they played much better 2nd half. Saw some things I really liked and, of course, several I didn’t.

Is there a way over the next week to teach Zanna to not bring the ball down, and Adams to attack the rim?

Still feel pretty good heading in to the Big Dance. Take away Sutherland shooting lights out in the first half and Pitt probably wins this by 5-6. I’m not sure what it takes to get these guys to focus for a whole 40, but if that happens, they’re dangerous.

Comment by Carmen 03.14.13 @ 3:48 pm

No need to worry about scalping any tickets. :-)

Comment by EMel 03.14.13 @ 3:49 pm

Pitt is now 0-4 with the Double Bye.

Hopefully the ACC Tourney won’t have that thingie.

Cause Pitt no like it…….

Comment by EMel 03.14.13 @ 3:51 pm

Uncanny. This double bye losing is a guaranted as oxygen.

Comment by Get the Glory 03.14.13 @ 3:54 pm

@gc, true, couldn’t agree more.

To my point however. If you look back over the comments, yes, I just did, had 5 minutes to kill before I take off…….

I counted about 3 posts that mentioned coaching and or Dixon not being able to win in March.

A couple “same ol’ Pitt’s”.

And of course, the troll Upittbaseball. Well, most of us believe him to be a WVU troll. If he is a Pitt fan, I’ve never seen a postive comment from him, football or basketball.

Out of over 144 comments, that’s really not that bad.

90% of the comments were discussing the game.

I guess I do have a solution. If someone wants to call someone out, call them out by name, don’t lump the whole board into the “negative” thing, especially when it’s not true at all.

Comment by Dan 03.14.13 @ 3:56 pm

Horrible 1st half.

Good comeback.

Disappointing to be one and done in BET.

Comment by Dan 03.14.13 @ 3:58 pm

I wouldn’t worry about it Dan-o.

It’s not like those comments come from ppl who post regularly. AD office or FOS’s.

Comment by EMel 03.14.13 @ 3:59 pm

These losses aren’t affecting me as much as in past years .

I must be getting use to it……again.

Comment by EMel 03.14.13 @ 4:04 pm

Didn’t get to watch any action, but I don’t think the double-bye helps us. Too many teams in this conference, and getting to play a warmup game as Syracuse did, allowed them to come out hot. They got a huge lead, and while Pitt showed grit, they spotted the Orange too many points.

Comment by Lou 03.14.13 @ 4:05 pm

I was glad to see Zanna really being agressive this game.
If they can take the focus and intensity of the 2nd half into the NCAAs, they can beat ANYONE.
I do not think that Pitt will face another team that has three 6’7″-6’8″ guys shooting 10 for 12 from 3.

But have to shoot better that 58% FT.

Comment by xfmrman 03.14.13 @ 4:06 pm

I know emel. Hey, I don’t like the trolls, or people that come on once a year to get off a sarcastic remark either.

I let it roll off my back anymoreI guess. (not your comment to me gc, the trolls) Not a criticism, we’re all different, I mean that sincerely. Fires some people up I suppose when see some negative or trolls, and it probably would have done the same to me years ago too I guess.

Hey I deal with a couple Bozo’s at work that say Byslma should be fired, and they tell Crosby and Malkin what they should be doing during the games.

For real, imagine these ass clowns yelling at Crosby and Malkin, telling them what they should be doing during a game???? LMAO!!!

Comment by Dan 03.14.13 @ 4:16 pm

guys, forget it, get on the bus and come home. Then go win 2 games next week. We still luv ya.

Comment by RayHpgh 03.14.13 @ 4:19 pm

Congrats to Southerland, he put his team on his back and carried them with some of the best shooting from the 3 point line this season. Get serious, 81% shooting for 20 points and 6 for 6 at the 3 point line?????

Comment by Dr. Tom 03.14.13 @ 4:21 pm

Syracuse also played fierce defense. Hard to get inside and once we did hands were active. Very difficult to get open shots anywhere.

Still think they need to go inside to Adams more often, had openings would not take them.

Lou is right about the double bye. We were oh so cold in the first half.

The way we used to beat Syracuse was from the foul line, finally tried with Adams in the second half, not enough confidence in his shot.

Wannamaker and some others, I think Fields used to kill them that way. Either take the shot or feed the bigs. I thought they might try it with Patterson or Johnson, but no such luck.

Just wasn’t our day.

Comment by gc 03.14.13 @ 4:24 pm

Just before halftime when Syracuse was trying to take the last shot, Jamie Dixon had his players foul, because we still had 2 fouls to give. It almost panned out but Syracuse got that ridiculous shot off at the buzzard the bounced up off the rim then fell through for 3 points. That’s what Pitt lost by, 3 points. The real reason the Panthers lost today was missing their foul shots. The no call when Zanna was hacked on the basket he made at the end, was terrible. He should have had the opportunity in that instance, to shoot a foul shot for the conventional 3 point play. Later when he made the basktet to pull Pitt within one, he missed the foul shot. Too many missed free throws shots by Pitt.

Comment by Justinian 03.14.13 @ 4:24 pm

I’m on several listservs. Each has at least one participant whose posts, to be kind, would entitle them to be referred to in scatalogical terms. It is most fun to ignore them.

Comment by Pitt Dad 03.14.13 @ 4:25 pm

Pitt could have played better but they got beat by a better team today who was hotter. Someday, and hopefully soon, we will be the better team.

God knows, we all deserve that day to come soon. Especially Jamie. He did all he could as a coach to bring this team back.

One last thing. I do see a way Jamie leaves for USC. Pitt wins the NCAA Championship in Basketball. Hope it’s soon for all our sake.

Hail to Pitt….Gutty comeback.

Comment by Dan 72 03.14.13 @ 4:26 pm

@justinian – 75% from the line and the game is tied at the end of regulation.

Comment by Pitt Dad 03.14.13 @ 4:27 pm

Take this loss and learn from it.
You have to play all 40 minutes!

Comment by SFPitt 03.14.13 @ 4:34 pm

I am still thinking that had Zanna tied the game, Syracuse would have played for the last shot and made it. It was their day, and I can see them winning it all.

Which is how frustrating it is for Pitt fans, we always seem to lose to the team that makes all kinds of waves. We ever catch a team just treading water.

Bring on the NCAAs!

Comment by KeyboardKev 03.14.13 @ 4:35 pm

Failure number 6243. Shocker. Gag choke cough over and over and over

Comment by Dan 03.14.13 @ 4:37 pm

GC, Syracuse also hit an absurd number of 3s. They shot lights out from 3 point range, they played extremely tough defense,and we missed our free throughs. Despit all that Pitt was one free throw from tying the game at the end. If Zanna makes the foul shot, to complete the 3 point play, he doesn’t have to foul. Too many missed opportunities. I don’t blame Zanna because he made the plays to get Pitt close. Patterson also made big plays in the 2nd half, but what happened to his free throw shooting this year?

Comment by Justinian 03.14.13 @ 4:37 pm

Woo hoo now we get to lose In the first or second round of the real tournament.

Comment by Dan 03.14.13 @ 4:38 pm

“They hit their shots.” “We ran into a hot team.” “If and buts and woulda couldas. Blah. Blah. Blah. Do the excuses ever stop at some point over 40 or so years?

Comment by Dan 03.14.13 @ 4:41 pm

Dan, everyone is entitled to their opinion. It’s just the vitriol and hatred that comes out so quickly that needs countered. And like you say, from those who rarely if ever have anything positive to say.

I can chuckle when FrankCan calls for Miller time, because I know he is a real fan. I get just as frustrated when we do something stupid (Nasir) to lose, but then I remember they are just kids trying to do their best.

As Pitt fans we have experienced more than our share of stupid or tough losses. Today was not one of them, our kids fought hard and were just outclassed.

I don’t mind the trolls they are usually not to bright and you can see right through them, it’s the fair weather fans that get to me. It gets awfully dark around here really quick when things aren’t going our way.

Comment by gc 03.14.13 @ 4:41 pm

I fault Dixon for the last 3 before the half,inexcusable with a foul to give.Why can’t we make fouls? I love when the refs let them play but that was absurd ,even by BE standards.Dante all but lost an eye without a call.Shouldn’t have Dixon made enough ruckus to at least got a T ?fficials who

Comment by spiritofsection22 03.14.13 @ 4:43 pm

@Dan – it might be better for the athletic budget if we just forfeited the first round game. We can still say we made the tournament. Please write to Steve P and Jamie and suggest that. Let me know so I can spare my bracket the agony of figuring out how Pitt gets to the final 4. Also let me know if they suggest a visit to Western.


Comment by Pitt Dad 03.14.13 @ 4:46 pm

Isn’t this what Bob Smizik was hoping for, so they wouldn’t be tired for the NCAAs?

Comment by Justinian 03.14.13 @ 4:49 pm

Me thinks there are two Dans

Comment by gc 03.14.13 @ 4:50 pm

If I hear once more that Pitt got beat by an NBA player of some kind…I will…you know what ..they are right! We did.

Someday will be our day…

Comment by Dan 72 03.14.13 @ 4:51 pm

I was on the SB nation UConn site a couple days ago and they referred to Pitt as chokers.

I guess that is just the way it is. :-(

Comment by EMel 03.14.13 @ 5:00 pm

Things could be worse, we could be WVU, PSU, Duquesne or any of those other teams that aren’t going to the dance, like maybe Kentucky.

Comment by gc 03.14.13 @ 5:03 pm

Emel, sour grapes from those that aren’t going to the ACC or anywhere that I know of.

Comment by gc 03.14.13 @ 5:04 pm

I’d much prefer to stomp on everyone and never have to come from behind. But, if we do get down early, all I ask is that the team gut it out to the very end no matter what. Lots of other teams lay down. Pitt doesn’t. This team hasn’t. For that, among other things, they have my undying loyalty.

Comment by Pitt Dad 03.14.13 @ 5:05 pm


Speaking of Kentucky, I really don’t hope they match us up against them. As Lunardi and some other putz had them penciled in.

Comment by EMel 03.14.13 @ 5:07 pm

FINE reg season good job as all ways.
but if you think this team will do good in the big dance stop smoking what your smoking
pitt is really not that good of a team to many holes
we will win are first game then lose then next
year we will have a good reg season 20 wins and
then lose in the NCAA then lose after first round
just like this year.
it is really not that good of a team.

Comment by FRANKCAN 03.14.13 @ 5:17 pm

@FRANKCAN – you may be right. On the other hand, Syracuse was falling apart down the stretch of the regular season and just got hot. Who knows, we could catch lightning in a bottle and make a deep run. Nothing to be gained in doubting at this point and everything to be gained from hoping. I’d rather be optimistic and disappointed than pessimistic and right.

Comment by Pitt Dad 03.14.13 @ 5:27 pm

My bracket will have us winning maybe 2 depending on match-ups. Dan – If you want to call me a troll that’s fine. I care about Pitt but refuse to drink the same kool-aid as you. Dixon has to get better in March. It’s that simple and Chryst needs to quick making idiotic moves before halftime that loses us games. Call me what you want but you know I’m right.

Comment by Upittbaseball 03.14.13 @ 5:32 pm

*TROLL ALERT*…..apparently you are only allowed to say positive things on this site for some people…well things aren’t always rainbows and butterflies with this team…this team has major flaws and some of you are either blind or stupid..or both…WE ALL LOVE OUR PANTHERS, but if you can’t see the flaws that hurt this team it’s crazy..i’ve said all along that i’d be surprised to see us win ONE game in the NCAA tourny..this team is not build to score (worse than other years)….however..with the growth of Adams and the experience on the team..we should be alright for next year

Comment by Keith 03.14.13 @ 5:39 pm

Upittbaseball……thank you for voicing an opinion that makes sense!! Some refuse to look at this team with the realistic lenses that you and i share…..i hope we win the whole damn thing..but thats just not gonna happen…but i’ll root like hell for it

Comment by Keith 03.14.13 @ 5:44 pm


Actually Adams hasn’t really progressed much at all on offense. Defense,,,,yes….Offense no.

He’s not a Center and won’t be one in the NBA.

Next year we have almost no scoring whatsoever returning at Guard. And nobodies a proven inside scorer. Team will be heavily dependent on Patterson and Moore for scoring. Those two are Gilbert Brown times two without the athleticism.

Meaning they are inconsistent as heck.

Comment by EMel 03.14.13 @ 5:59 pm

Even Fab Melo who was worse than Adams at Cuse is playing PF in the NBA.

And Adams is 10 times quicker and more athletic than him.

Again square peg, round hole.

Adams is a 4.

Comment by EMel 03.14.13 @ 6:01 pm

If that Mike Young truly has a low post game he should play the 5 next year on offense.

Comment by EMel 03.14.13 @ 6:04 pm

Dan 72, maybe after a summer of toughening up Adams will be the NBA player that carries Pitt. We can only hope!

Comment by KeyboardKev 03.14.13 @ 6:07 pm

Nobody tends to look to good offensively when they get hammered inside and nobody calls anything.Then when they do make a call you don’t make the freethrows.We played acceptable D and rebounded well.That will win most games,but we couldn’t overcome an awesome shooting performance and some real bad calls,because we didn’t make a few more foul shots.The 3 at the first half horn was bad.We had a foul to give and as soon as Southerland touched the ball he should have been fouled.

Comment by spiritofsection22 03.14.13 @ 6:13 pm

ikr spirit

It was CJ Fair and it was kind of reminiscent of not fouling Barry Goheen. Another coaching gaffe.

In this game not knowing you had fouls to give.

Comment by EMel 03.14.13 @ 6:17 pm

I don’t expect much out of this team in the Big Dance, as the committee 9 times out of 10 usually picks teams that are bad matchups for us. And then loads our side of the bracket with them.

We don’t get any favors or consideration from them like I said, 9 times out of 10.

I blogged several days or maybe a week ago, I’d be happy if we got to the Sweet 16.

That would max out the talent on this team.

Oh btw the bench got it’s minutes cut pretty good today, 49 minutes total and had it’s worse game of the year as a collective bench.

7 points & 4 rebounds. Great time for them to come up a cropper. Meh

Comment by EMel 03.14.13 @ 6:24 pm

Emel,The team showed a lot of heart but I think Dixon let them down and I am beside myself that they shot so poorly from the line.We should have won despite the great shooting by the Orange and the bad officiating.Was Dixon right to let the refs get away with that by not going balistic.I think he should have taken at least 1 technical ,Taylor could have lost an eye for crying out loud.We probably would have missed the fouls anyway but isn’t it the coaches domain to make so much stink that at least they try to be objective.I am not trying to make an excuse here or be a crybaby,we got abused several times without a hint of a whistle.The cumulative effect of the 5 or 6 blatant fouls would have had us well into the Orange bench if we hadn’t made any of the foulshots.

Comment by spiritofsection22 03.14.13 @ 6:30 pm

Maybe Pitt shoulda fouled at the end of the half, but that was one helluva bounce for that shot to to in. I was more frustrated by the Pitt possession with 28 seconds left down 3. They didn’t have to take a 3 yet, but kept passing around the arc looking for a 3, and ultimately turning it over. The entire Syracuse team was above the foul line defending the 3. Take the easy 2 there and make Syracuse make their FTs.

I love the BE Tourney, but after a great run the first half of the decade, I think karma has caught up to us. This tournament sure hasn’t been very fun the last 5 years.

Comment by Iron Duke 03.14.13 @ 6:39 pm

emel,We are going to be lucky to win 1 game at the dance.I don’t see us winning a second game unless we catch some lucky draw,and that would be a first.That one sure hurt today but I was encouraged by the heart they showed after falling so far behind.

Comment by spiritofsection22 03.14.13 @ 6:39 pm

Duke,freshman mistake.

Comment by spiritofsection22 03.14.13 @ 6:41 pm

A team that normally shoots 3s at a 32% clip shot over 63% from behind the arc against us. That says it all. Blame the D. Blame Jamie. Whatever. They were on fire. They were on a mission. And they caught us flat on offense in the first half and we didn’t make FTs when it counted in the second. We got a lot of calls but didn’t get a few that would have made a difference. I can’t recall a game we’ve won when Jamie got T’d up. That never helps us. But I can sure remember a few we lost. Remember the phantom T he got in the Marquette game at the Pete a few years ago? Cuse didn’t need any points they didn’t earn and Jamie certainly wasn’t going to give them any.

Comment by Pitt Dad 03.14.13 @ 6:51 pm

I’m gonna predict a 6 seed out west…against iowa st…ugh..we’l get waxed!

Comment by Keith 03.14.13 @ 6:54 pm

emel….i think adams will be WAY better offensively next year..he needs to be sent to big mans camp or something..he needs to be in the gym everyday all day…i don’t know his work ethic tho

Comment by Keith 03.14.13 @ 7:12 pm

When Taylor got mugged high ,low and sideways and got walked off bleeding like a war victim I think I could have lived with a technical foul.Late when every replay angle showed blatant fouls on back to back plays with no whistle all our bench did was smile.I don’t like that response.The bench has to exert enough pressure to at least merit a make up call.Calhoun would have thrown a tantrum,and got some calls.I didn’t see the calls as an even exchange and we still almost pulled it off.I thought Dixon had a bad game,and that is the second game this year his collar flipped up on his $500 shirt.He needs to get that straightened out too.I just want to win and I thought we should have today.

Comment by spiritofsection22 03.14.13 @ 7:34 pm

Spirit, I think the “non-call” near the end of the game, where Talib Zanna made the lay-up while getting hacked, was a make up for another non call. The three blind mice wouldn’t have missed that call. Zanna should have been at the foul line.

Comment by Justinian 03.14.13 @ 7:45 pm

@Keith, I think all opinions are welcomed on here. Hell, it’s everyones board. More people that just read, should post!!!

I am accused of being negative many times.

If you look above, I was actually defending “negativie comments”, as actually people discussing the first half of the game.

I see no way around it, the first half was absolutely terrible!!!

My point was, people were discussing the game, not the program so much. Teams playing horrible, you’re gonna have people talking about it, doesn’t mean you think the team sucks or hate the direction of the program, people were talking about this particular game.

So, right above, I clearly am defending people to come on and have their opinions without being called “negative”.

Also, I believe gc was talking about people coming on with jackass comments, like “Dixon should be fired”, or “Pitt sucks”, after one game. (not your comments, in general, comments like that).

We’ve had 12 years (except last year) of excellent college basketball.

I want to go to the final four and NC too, but Pitt hoops deserves better than saying “Same Ol’ Pitt” about them.

I’m pissed off about the game too, but some comments are sophmoric.

In my opinion.

Comment by Dan 03.14.13 @ 7:46 pm

Spirit, not blaming JR there, the entire team was looking for the 3. The turnover was the result of a poor strategy. If there must be blame, blame the coaches I guess. That’s just a situation where every armchair coach in America knows you don’t yet need a 3. The game could have been extended.

Comment by Iron Duke 03.14.13 @ 7:50 pm

@upittbaseball, that’s funny, most people give me crap because I say “I don’t wear blue and gold glasses” all the time.

Most would consider me the furthest thing from a kool-aid drinker.

I always try to be a realist.

With that being said, your comment above about Adaams………..

You do know he’s only played a couple years of organized basketball, only, I believe, 1 year of American basketball against American kids, and the fact that he is a freshman, right??

So, me giving him a pass as a freshman, is drinking the kool-aid?? Yep, guess I’m drinking it.

Same with Coach Chryst. I’ve always said a coach gets 2 or 3 years to see what he can do, in any sport, anywhere.

He stinks because of some decisions he made during his first year??? Ya, give me another glass I guess.

And, God love ya, you may be the best Pitt fan in the world, but, honestly, for the life of me, I’ve never seen you have one good thing to say about the football or basketball program.

In fact, when I see your handle, I know it’s gonna be some kind of slam towards Pitt football or hoops.

I try to catch the Blather most days, but, certainly I could have easily missed a lot of your positive posts, I admit that.

So, I apologize for the troll comment.

Comment by Dan 03.14.13 @ 7:58 pm

Give it to Pitt for fighting back but in today’s college game Pitt can only go so far.
In my opinion basketball has been ruined by the 3 point line. It has skewed the game completely to a guards game, making big men obsolete. It has happened in the pro’s.
Chamberlin, Russell in the pro’s would be bite players. David Robinson and Bob Lanier would of been role players in college.
Also I am tired of the Adams critics saying he needs to take it up stronger. My guess each of these bloggers never played a gane of organized basketball.
Taking it up smart, because in the big east under the basket the arm is part of the ball. The closeups should Adams and Zanna getting hacked by at least 2 defenders. Because Pitt has no 3 point shooters 5 men collapse inside when the ball is thrown in or shot. Rather than straight up head fakes today are more effective. Adams needs experience and confidence not talent to be the best center in college (that will not get Pitt to the finals with the 3 point line).
He needs to get familiar with feeling where the defender is on his back and if and when he ever gets a quick entry pass away from the defender chest high or above (not a bounce pass at his ankles from our guards (excluding Robinson) who are marginal players (Woodall/no rotation on his shot, cannot penetrate and cannot guard anyone at this level) then to quickly turn to the hoop.
Also Dixon needs to sit Adams down and tell him when he gets the ball within 20 ft do not hesitate take the shot. Adams is obiously afraid to take that shot or perhaps he wants to fit in more than he wants the team to win. When he was forced to take the shot it was obvious from his stroke he did not want to therefore not following through on his release -although he is one of the better jump shooters on the team.

Adams already has all the tools now to dominate offensively as he does on defense (Christmas 0 pts. 5 fouls).
He is a man among boys everytime he steps onto the court. His problem in my opinion is experience that his innate talent can overcome. More importantly confidence in his offensive game that he showed in the Addidas camp and in Prep school against players as good or better than he is up against now. However that was before the press uniformed evaluations that probably influenced someone like Adams who is sensitive and not use to criticism of the American press. Also his coaches game plan that was not designed for him to be a major part of the offense rather a complimentary player.
So now Adams is giving us what he has been told he is great defensively but a weak offensive players whose skills are just developing and need time. Pitt cannot count on him to be an offensive threat at this time so they do not use him and when he has no choice he has no confidence like he showed in his game before beginning college.
Dixon needs to sit down with Woodall and Adams and tell them both Steve this is your team you honestly do not believe we are going anywhere with Tray being the leader.
Tray you are to compliment the team not try to be the team.
Pitt’s problem is simple their best players by far are freshman Adams and Robinson. Every other player on the team has hit their ceiling. No more “talk” about in and out basketball-Dixon talks about it has never been part of his offense regardless of who played center (Blair, Gray). It has always been a perimeter team with no go to guard or forward (except Young who did not get the ball enough from Fields).
Adams is one of the best if not the best defensive center in the country. It is time to challenge him and say we should of told you to work on your offensive game during the season but that was our mistake. You need to take over on the offensive end of the court. Like another 20 ft shot he did not want to take and missed but went to boards got the rebound put make with left hand over 2 men, and was fouled. Or the time he drove to the hoop took the hacks put it in with the left had and got the foul. He needs to do that every time he touches the ball and has space. He will need to forced by the coaching staff and told do not worry if you miss that is part of the game. You doing this will help everyone else.
Get the guards a step or two further out to avoid double team quick solid high entry passes to Adams.
Even when Adams gets the confidence to be the best center in the country Pitt can only go so far because of the nature of the game.

Comment by pittisit 03.14.13 @ 8:00 pm

here’s a good example, above, mikmet or someone,

“Pitt, Jamie and March just don’t mix.”

What does that mean??

They didn’t mix when they won 2 BE championships, or they didn’t mix when they went to the Sweet 16 several times and to the Elite Eight???

As for the Elite Eight, shoulda, woulda, coulda, I know, but they were one layup away from the Fianl Four. I know, they didn’t get there. I understand that. Being reasonable though, anyone would say that was much closer than being blown out by 20 in an Elite Eight game.

I think those are the type of comments that piss gc off!!! LOL

Comment by Dan 03.14.13 @ 8:06 pm

@gc, lmao, ha ha!! Actually, there are a several Dan’s on here.

I would think you’re referring to me, however, and I understand your comment. I was actually arguing several arguments at one time, and at times, taking both sides!!!

I get it!!! LOL

Comment by Dan 03.14.13 @ 8:09 pm

Cuse seems to own BE tourney at MSG. Officials give them the benefit but Pitt knew that going in. Cuse just seems to hit those 3s and probably will win the tourney.

Pitt must play like they did today to win in the NCAAs. The team must not get down on itself.

Comment by Frank MD 03.14.13 @ 8:16 pm

dan…..i think alot of pitt fans have been spoiled (including me)….and anything less then a final four is not good enough…Jim behiom didn’t win a national champ until a few years ago with melo….but times have changed..and it’s a what have u done for me right now kind of world! fear is pitt will drop from where we currently are as a program…god i hope we don’t..i can’t go back to the 90’s!!

Comment by Keith 03.14.13 @ 8:16 pm

Keith and Upittbaseball, I was really encouraged to read that you both root for Pitt to win. In all honesty, that is the first positive thing that I have heard from you and was not sure that was the case.

They were ranked 17th today Syracuse 19th. Next week they will probably be in the low 20’s if that matters. Based on that they are a borderline sweet sixteen team. Either way they don’t stink.

We all want them to win, it just seems to me that some guys want them to lose so that they can say I told you so. Some set the bar so high that they may never be satisfied.

I have said several times that this team will only go as far as Woodall and Patterson take them. At this point maybe Robinson can be added. He played the best today.

Woodall was awful, 4-10 although he was 3-4 for 3’s. He needs to play better. Patterson was worse, 5-12 and 1-5 for 3’s. Zanna stunk 4-9 from short range and 2-5 from the line. Moore had 2 points and Taylor 0.

Syracuse defense had a lot to do with it, but they need to do better.

It is amazing that they still could have won this game.

Maybe because I was around for Dave Hart and Carl DePasqua, and before Buzz Ridl, I know what it is to be a real loser. Believe me getting a double bye and just going to the Big Dance is something to celebrate. Try going 1-11. After last year, we should all raise a toast.

Comment by gc 03.14.13 @ 8:21 pm

gc….I am a huge pessamist…and realist…and to be real…i do not think this pitt team is good enough to score enough to win in the tourny..wen we were flying a few years ago, i knew we were good….I just fear that we won’t ever get back to that..

Comment by Keith 03.14.13 @ 8:38 pm

Keith, A smart man once told me, Look on the bright side of life, it might have been Monty Python.

You can accomplish a great deal with a Positive Mental Attitude. I hope it is just Pitt sports that is making you a pessimist. That is very understandable.

We were only great offensively when we had DeJuan and Sam, other than that we do it with D and luck.

I agree though, we do need a hot hand or three.

Comment by gc 03.14.13 @ 8:47 pm

I missed the game. How did Malcolm Gilbert do?

Yeah, here come the excuses and the rationalization. Taylor mugged . . . amazing Pitt could get this far . . . amazing Pitt got the game this close . . . Pitt was such a loser in the 60s we should be grateful for what we have . . . if only Zanna had made his foul shots. And on and on and on. Same old, same old. Don’t get me wrong, if I could come up with an excuse I could buy into, I would say it too. Mostly because, unless Dixon begins to realize this act is wearing thin, and does bolt for USC regardless of salary, Petersen is going to give him an f’ng raise to stay (a la Dave Wannstedt), and we will be stuck with this sh*t for at least 5 more years. I swear, you could run Bird, Johnson, Jordan, Malone and Stockton in here and we would still blow the first round of the Big East, and lose to Butler in the round of sixteen.

This has become laughable. It is so predictable. Some coaches clearly can coach a team up for a big game. Like Chuck Noll. Some coaches are tighter than a drum. Like Bill Cowher. We should know by now which category Dixon resides in. Anyone who thinks otherwise is denying history. At least the team can party in NYC now. Man, I just cannot wait to experience this feeling in the ACC tournament. What will the team do in Greensboro on Thursday night?

So who is the frontrunner on the underdog that rips Pitt a new one this year in the tournament? Bucknell? Davidson? Did Pacific make the tourney?

Some people obviously mistake vitriol for frustration. Frustration for those of us that started in the Dave Hart years, and despite our devotions and donations, feel they have absolutely no say in the athletic affairs of this university. And watch its programs year after year bungle so regularly.

Comment by PO'd Panther 03.14.13 @ 8:50 pm

PO’d, your act really is getting old. Chuck Noll should have won two more championships with the players he had. Syracuse would have beaten anyone today.

There have surely been bungles (Mike Haywood) but today we just got beat. It happens.

Comment by gc 03.14.13 @ 8:59 pm

Well the day wasn’t lost. Villimanilli got absolutely hammered.

And the child molesters up at Creepy Valley ended their pitiful season.
Added to a string of abysmal seasons, they have to rank as the worst major conf. basketball program of the major conf’s.

Oh and we can’t forget the Hoopies losing to a pathetic Texas TEch last nite, who lost by 40 today. Way to go Thuggie Bear. lol

Comment by EMel 03.14.13 @ 8:59 pm

Funny enough DAve Hart won 3 games in 3 years but it didn’t deter his career. He spent his entire life in a well paid AD and now his son is doing the same thing at Tennessee.

Nice to be born into an easy lifestyle.
Sort of like being a Baron or Duke in Europe.


Comment by EMel 03.14.13 @ 9:02 pm

College BB today is a crap shoot. One hot player today, a dud tomorrow. I said earlier that Southerland did not play the first Pitt game and it seemed that Pitt just plain forgot about him.

I cannot believe the coaches did not warn the team about him but maybe the players did not remember he hit 6 of 9 the night before.

Much better preparation and execution early must be made against the NCAA teams.

Comment by Frank MD 03.14.13 @ 9:17 pm

It is late Thursday evening and like a lot of you I am still pissed and frustrated over today’s loss. And I am only a fan and alum. Think of what it is like to be Coach Dixon tonight?

Has any other school taken the gut ripping losses that Pitt has? From Vandy to Pacific to Nova to the Butler fiasco….just hope crushing gut wrenching losses!

It got me thinking about coaching, especially basketball coaching.

I was watching Ferehety interview Jack Nicklaus the other night and Nicklaus said he could not remember a single shot in any of his golf losses but could remember all his shots in every win…I found that amazing.

Basketball coaches are just the opposite. I have met Bobby Knight, Ben Howland and many great coaches at the HS level here in MD. They are all the same. They can remember every play of every loss vividly…not so much the wins. I remember losing the championship game as my first team I coached in the 7th grade. I failed to double team the leading scorer on an inbound play. I can remember getting T;eed up late in a game for being on the floor and costing my HS team a game.

So…as pissed as I am and wondering when Pitt will ever have the ball roll “our way” in a big game, I cannot imagine the heartfelt pain in Coach Dixon tonight, or how he ever survived Nova and Butler. I suspect an almost sleepless night for the whole staff.

Small solice to us fans…but very true

Comment by Dan 72 03.14.13 @ 9:28 pm

Today’s game is different. If we had Birch, Adams, and Blair inside we could not make it too the final four.
Somewhere we would hit a guard or small forward having the game of their lives and hitting 14 3’s that is an additional 14 points minus Pitt’s average 4 extra poinst on 3’s equals 10 points.
Ten nothing when the ball is tapped. It will not happen.

Comment by pittisit 03.14.13 @ 9:36 pm

Upittbaseball, you are the most negative poster on this site. At least 85% of your posts are negative. Just go away. Please.

Comment by TMG Panther 03.14.13 @ 9:37 pm

We beat Syracuse 8 out of the last 10, and lost to them today: not exactly same old same old. If that had been ND on the other side today, maybe that comment would at least have relevance. How happy do you think Syracuse fans are to have beaten Pitt for a change?

Lets remember that every year every team except one eventually loses. Good teams lose to other good teams and sometimes lesser teams. Every teams fan base has plenty of woe is me moments. Thats just part of being a fan.

Comment by Iron Duke 03.14.13 @ 9:41 pm

Watching todays game how out of control the game was even as we fought back /Southerland was in the zone and got 3 for every shot no matter how much you were in his face made me realize the comments I posted above about the 3pt rule. I agree with Larry Bird “I’m glad they did not have the 3 pt. line when I was playing in high school I would not been half the player I became. It is a bad rule for basketball.”
As Dixon said players are not as sound mechanically as they use to be.
Now I understand why Boehiem and especially Dixon do not want to go to the ACC. The ACC even the bottom feeders have a least one player on any given night that can score 30 points against any defense if he gets hot outside the 3 point line.
Pitt is not made for the ACC we will be like a Manatee being attacked by paranahs.
Remember one of our best Pitt teams, Blair and Young had to win on a last second feild goal against an uncharacteristically a weak Duke team.

Comment by pittisit 03.14.13 @ 9:50 pm

Pitt/Cuse was a 4/5 seed game decided by 3 pts. Could have gone our way if we do a little better in the first half, if we made some FTs down the stretch, if some calls got made that weren’t, if Southerland misses one 3 pt shot, if that 3 at the end of the first half doesn’t fall. But that’s CBB. If any of those things go our way, Cuse fans are bitching and moaning on their board.

On to the next tournament and, at least this year, it’s the Big Dance.


Comment by Pitt Dad 03.14.13 @ 9:51 pm

Notwithstanding that we lost, anyone else think Pitt/Cuse was the best game of the tournament so far?

Comment by Pitt Dad 03.14.13 @ 10:01 pm

I’m 85% negative because 85% of the time Pitt gives me material to be negative about. Dan – thanks and have a good weekend bud.

Comment by Upittbaseball 03.14.13 @ 10:06 pm

Pitt Dad your right we are going to the big dance.
If anyone still thinks that Adams was not the MVP for Pitt this year and perhaps the Big East look at the the difference between Pitt’s success this year and last year. Granted Robinson playing point rather than Woodall saved perhaps 8 to 10 points a game on turnovers but the primary reason for the complete turnaround was the menacing presence of the best defensive center in basketball.
Did anyone see him pinch out and stop the guards shooting yet have the quickness to get back and stop any passes inside for easy baskets ( Christmas 0 points and 5 fouls/not bad). Most of you are paying to much attention to the box score rather than what is happening on the court. Adams was all over the court. He is quicker than any big man in college basketball.
Next year Mike Young has a big body unlike Zanna who is no help to Adams. Adams boxes out one or two men that’s why Zanna gets rebounds he is terrible on the boards just as he was last year.
Does anyone really believe Zanna got better or do they understand he did not improve only that he has Adams taking all the pressure giving him easy shots he often misses and rebounds he sometimes gets.
Young has a big body like Biggs did. Biggs helped Blair alot by sheilding men away from the boards while Blair cleaned up.
Adams and Young should help each other next year. Hopefully Young can keep the forwards off Adams that Zanna never does. Then you can add 10 borads a game for Adams not counting 10 additional points even if he spends the summer sitting on the beach.

Comment by pittisit 03.14.13 @ 10:17 pm

gc – you are truly the first person I have ever heard to call Chuck Noll an underachiever. I am really curious as to what 2 years you are referring to. He won 4 championships, and built a team from scratch, the bottom of the league. He may have been stubborn, and a lot of other things, but underachiever?

Deny and rationalize all we can. How Pitt won 8 of the last 10 against Syracuse, and how Dixon is the winningest coach in Big East history. Hot team, hot shooter, college basketball is a crap shoot, we only lost by 3. Tell me we have not heard this stuff before, and just about every year except last. He just has not won when it counts, and it is not just that. He consistently loses to underdogs, including Syracuse today, in the post season. Some are worse than others. Today, not so much. Pacific, Xavier and Bradley, pretty bad. Butler in 2011, horrible One year, two, maybe three, maybe 8, you sit back and say yes, well, he deserves a chance, based on his regular season success. But 10 f’ng years? Come on.

It is the same old, same old. And this time next year, if Dixon is back, it will be again.

Comment by PO'd Panther 03.14.13 @ 10:23 pm

@Pitt Dad and Benzene, holy cow, you were right, those ND away uni’s are horrible.

Marketing geniuses?? I don’t get it.

@Keith and Upittbaseball. No problems here. Sorry, was just on a rant.

You actually both make good points with your last posts. Upittbaseball, yes, Pitt has given us a lot of heartache over the years. Keith, well put, we like where we are, want to go forward, don’t want to go back to the 90’s.

You’re both completly right. Agree totally.

Mad they got beat today, subconsciously, probably furious. Maybe they’ll suprise us with a couple wins in the tourney???

Comment by Dan 03.14.13 @ 10:28 pm

To further substantiate my argument about Adams can anyone make an argument that Moore, Taylor, Zanna, Patterson, Zeigler, or Woodall made significant gains in their game over last year.
Another comment, it is time now to stop the, in my opinion the ridiculous 10 man rotation. Johnson is out of control, Wright maaybe defensively-probably not. Zeigler a look to see if he is doing anything.
As much as it pains me Woodall must see alot of minutes Adams covers alot of his getting beat off the dribble. If Adams commitment is hurting us put Wright in for Woodall, Robinson, Zanna and Taylor, Moore, and Patterson and Adams.
Wright/Zeigler in order of preference
Adams showed today he can play over 30 minutes effectively.

Comment by pittisit 03.14.13 @ 10:32 pm

p.s. I wonder if this doesn’t affect us, I think it does me…………..

Had it been back and forth the whole game, Cuse up a couple, Pitt up a couple and so on………

instead of being down 13 for a good part of the game, I think I may have taken the loss better.

Same result in the end.

“ok, we lost, but it was back and forth the whole game between two powerhouses, move on.”

Funny how things like that affect your point of view, at least mine.

Comment by Dan 03.14.13 @ 10:33 pm

Frankly I don’t mind some of the negative stuff here…it’s just frustrated, long suffering Pitt fans letting off some steam after years of frustration.

Sometimes I learn things from reading those posts….and I don’t think that anyone here except Chas should tell someone to leave. We all have out one opinion…..if you don’t like some posters, don’t read their posts. boards are run that way…and negativity and you’re run off. I’ve read posts there for years but I’ve never signed up because of that. Of course I even like JoeD’s posts at Panther’s Prey…LOL.

I’m 63 and have been following Pitt for decades…I still remember the first time they won the NE Tournament….I sat on the couch in my buddies apartment in utter disbelief. I was so used to Pitt blowing any and all big games that I was shocked that they finally won one.

It could be worse though….we could be Cubs fans… 😉 We do have it pretty good though, but we can’t expect too much in March. One win at the BE Tournament would have been nice for a change though.

Comment by Jackagain 03.14.13 @ 10:36 pm

BTW….#12 Marquette who also got the dreaded double bye is going down to #24 ND. I feel better already…

link to

Comment by Jackagain 03.14.13 @ 10:45 pm

Disappointing, and it can’t help confidence level to go out of this tourney without a win. This whole team plays weak. Especially Adams and Zanna inside. Taylor plays harder but got himself neutralized with the fouls even if one was a bad call. I would rather see Dante play more minutes even with the fouls and everyone be more aggressive at the rim. This team just doesn’t have anyone strong enough or with technique to SECURE THE BALL and then take it strong to the rim. Pitt’s rebounding is way too much tapping the ball with fingertips and hands rather than body position and aggressiveness. Patterson is the only one who does it right.

They have improved but no consistency and no floor leader. As much as he is aggressive rebounding, Patterson is too tentative shooting, DJ isn’t tentative enough and JJ just disappears at times. Adams needs weight room work big time, even though that won’t help his rare 15 foot jumper.

That said, I still think we can and will do damage next week as we can beat anyone….or lose to anyone. It is a very long time between seasons, so hope we get to play into the second weekend of the Big Dance. I don’t want to be looking forward to next year too soon. HTP!!!!!!!!!

Comment by TVax 03.15.13 @ 12:19 am

This absolutely sucks. The reason it is so damn frustrating for everyone is that we watch a team that plays a great game while Pitt plays average and Pitt still loses by just 3. Then if Pitt makes a free throw it might go to overtime. We’ve seen it time and time again where Pitt plays only 20 good minutes and is still right there at the end. If this team ever put 40 minutes together consistently this year they’d be top 10, that’s why it sucks so badly. Syracuse, Rutgers, Louisville, Marquette at home, and Michigan all games that we battled back in this year when not playing great, but still losing. It gets real old and Pitt never seems to have that guy that just doesn’t let them lose. They always run into someone playing their best against them and after it continuing to happen over and over again, I’m wondering if it’s more of what Pitt doesn’t do than what other teams are doing. It was even more excruciating for me because I was getting updates from my phone the entire 2nd half as I was in a meeting that was conveniently about 8 feet from a TV that had the game on. Damn you Southerland, damn you.

Comment by Vulcan Rob 03.15.13 @ 12:33 am

I’m not an alum, but I have been watching Pitt hoops since the days of Roy Chipman and Clyde Vaughan. As a basketball program, Pitt has come a long way since the early 1980’s. While Pitt has made great strides solidifying the program as a perennial top 25 team, I understand the frustration that is felt by many of the people on this blog. I do think vitriol is always better than apathy so I love guys like UPittbaseball. No problem with setting the bar high and wanting accountability.

For me, the frustration does not stem from the loss of a single game, but it is more about the long term body of work compared to other conference peers. Envy is a terrible sin. I look at the original 9 members of the Big East and see that all but 2 (Pitt and Boston College) made it to at least one Final 4 since inception.

G-Town (’82, ’84, ’84, ’07); UCONN (’99, ’04, ’09, ’11); Syracuse (’87, ’96, ’03); Villanova (’85, ’09); St. John’s (’85); Providence (’87); Seton Hall (’89)

Looking at where the Pitt program was in 1987, it felt that Pitt was on the verge of getting to a Final 4 and possibly competing for a championship. I still think the ’88 team was the most talented and most disappointing Pitt team in the Big East era. Damn you Barry Goheen!!! It seemed like Paul Evans had the program in the right direction. However, Calipari left and the talent left with him and Pitt was back to mediocrity until Ben Howland re-established things 10 years later.

As the Big East lives its last days as we knew it, I can’t help but feel like Pitt never fully maximized the opportunities like some of the other conference members have. It sounds crazy now, but I can remember when Connecticut was an absolute joke. Calhoun took a program with NO FACILITIES and won 7 Big East tournaments and 3 national championships. Even Seton Hall and WVU reached the Final 4 as members of the Big East.

It is easy to say shoulda, woulda, coulda, but considering Pitt’s past history, Jamie Dixon has done a phenomenal job of sustaining success with a limited amount of NBA talent. However, it is the very lack of talent that makes it seem that some of his Pitt teams do not improve over the course of the season like some of the other talent-laden teams in the conference. And yes, the tournament losses to perceived “mid-majors” over the years have definitely stung considering Pitt plays high level competition in a power conference. However, my eyes tell me Pitt is more comparable to a mid major when evaluating talent objectively. I will be happy when Pitt has a guard that can simply create his own shot when the shot clock is running down.

For the record, I think reaching the Sweet 16 is the benchmark for a successful season, and that should be the realistic measure of success for the Pitt program in its current state. As much as it would be great to see a Final 4 run, this program just needs to continue to win 25 games and get through the 1st weekend of the tournament. Everything else after that is a bonus ball.

If history shows us anything, it illustrates how transformational a single coach can be for a program. With Rick Pitino and Pete Gillen, Providence reached the Final 4 and Elite 8 (’97), respectively. Look at St. John’s and Seton Hall after Carnesecca and Carlesimo exited. Anybody remember the Craig Esherick era at Georgetown or the Steve Lappas era at Villanova? Is Dixon the next Rick Pitino – no, but it could be much, much, worse. There is something to be said for the level of consistency that he has brought to the program. He might never get over the hump, but even the elite programs struggle to find their way with an average coach (i.e. UNC under Matt Doherty).

I definitely hoped the final Big East tournament would have produced a memorable run. Unfortunate to end on 5 straight sour notes, but I guess the end mirrored the performances of the early years. While I am excited about the move to the ACC, I don’t think the transition will be seamless…. At least there is a Zebra Pen CBI banner hanging somewhere, right?

Comment by dallas mike 03.15.13 @ 12:56 am

great insight dallas mike from a fan but an objective and basketball savy fan.
Your point about a “Pitt guard that can simply create his own shot” are right on and coincide with my remarks concerning the 3 pt. circle changing the game into a one position game; the guard.
Dominating centers, Walton, Robinson,olajawon, etc are dinosours. At best they can influence the game partly on defense but only partly since they can not stop a guard you describe.
. Adams may become the best center in college but he cannot take you to the final four, his game is better suited for the NBA – but again the NBA has turned into a carnival of 3 point shots.

Robinson is by far the best guard Pitt has recruited but he is not a shooter by mind set or mechanics. He is a good shooter that because he is a freshman does not have his confidence in his shot at this point.
The Philly/New York guards Pitt get are B level.
Until that guard you describe comes to Pitt and with the exception of the fluk of getting Adams Pitt has not recruited at that level and based on the offense it runs is unlikely to attract a guard you describe.

Pitt does not have a recruiting base for basketball and never will so we have to reasses our expectations and be thankful for the competitive program we have.

It is hard to swallow for me and for everyone else but you are right.

Comment by pittisit 03.15.13 @ 2:31 am

Come on did anyone really think we could win a game in the BET??? We haven’t showed up in Madison Square Garden for 5 years now… no reason to think this year would be any different. Pitt disappoints… hmmm where have I heard that tune before???? Now we prepare to squaek by our first round opponent in the dance and lose our second game and such will end another year of Pitt basketball.

But hey football is just around the corner an we all know how great things have went there… hahahaha

Comment by Coach Ditka 03.15.13 @ 6:19 am

I can see why things didn’t work out for Ziegler at Central Michigan… HE STINKS!

Comment by PittofDreams 03.15.13 @ 7:41 am

ah the self loathing of Pitt fans. Having grown up on a street where we could heat the PA announcer (clearly) at Pitt Stadium I get it. That said, these kids played their hearts out. The fact that we were in the game with :30 seconds left was unfathomable. These kids have largely beaten the pulp out of the oranage. & everyone knows playing them at MSG is brutal (insert self loathing here). One tail wind is all it takes to make up for all the horrific memories that repeat in all our heads frequently this time of year. Hopefully the Crimson & Gold won’t capitalize on this downtime – beware the offer one cant refuse.

Comment by ptbreezeb 03.15.13 @ 7:42 am

And regarding all the hoopla posted here and elsewhere regarding Steve Adams, my scouting reported posted back on January 1 continues to get reaffirmation…

“OK athletically, but not on the level of many others. Has some ability to get up and down court. Jumping ability or lack there of is something else. Appears to be heavy legged. Does not get off the ground quickly or high. A slow, low jumper who relies on his above average reach.

Biggest problem, seems out of touch with the flow of the game. Lack of feel limits his ability to assert himself offensively toward the basket. Hands and touch also looked to be a problem Monday although not a big problem according to most prior scouting reports.

Biggest asset… seems to be a bright kid with a good attitude. And of course, his 7 foot height.

Conclusion… a project who likely will start more games in the NCAA than he ever will in the NBA.”

Comment by PittofDreams 03.15.13 @ 7:45 am

This Pitt team improved dramaticly from last year. Adams and Robinson have been tremendous additions to the team. Adams on defensive side and Robinson, for taking care of the ball and reducing turnovers. Next year we will need more offencive production from both Adams and Robinson. It’s no secret that Pitt’s inside game was lacking and needs to improve. I don’t think that we should be upset with this season, because they certainly turned things around. Hopefully they can win one or two games in the NCAA tournament.

Comment by Justinian 03.15.13 @ 8:24 am

Dallas Mike, good assessment. I’m a bit apprehensive, on the basketball side, about the move to the ACC. Also looking back, wouldn’t it have been nice if DeJuan Blair stayed at Pitt for one more year.

Comment by Justinian 03.15.13 @ 8:34 am

Pittofdreams,Your conclusion is one of the most rediculous posts I have seen recently.Find me a 19 year old anywhere in the history of college hoops,who has less than 2 seasons of real basketball competition,that competes or competed at Adams level at this point.Blair and Bennett are the only 2 freshman centers for Pitt who ever were better at his age.They played lots of pro ball.He is green but to assume he will never mature isn’t smart and I conclude you don’t know squat.

Comment by spiritofsection22 03.15.13 @ 8:42 am

Spirit, To go along with your comments, foreign players don’t normally grow up playing playground ball, like we do in the US. A lot of we do on the basketball court is instinctive. We don’t have think about what to do, it almost a reflex. Adams and Zanna are good players and athletes, but because they didn’t play here, they have yet to develop those instincts.

Comment by Justinian 03.15.13 @ 8:53 am

just,I agree,but to assume and conclude that Adams will never start in the NBA at this point is absurd.In fact one could argue that Adams defensive play combined with his size could merit him a strong shot at the NBA now.Zanna is so close to getting to another level I would like to reach through the tv and shake him,When he missed that foul shot I wanted to barf,it was so close.He was an inch away from taking over the game yesterday.That offensive board on the missed foul which was called a jump ball was a foul on Syracuse.Adams almost rebounded his own missed foul and got called for a tacky foul too.These guys are almost there.In a game that saw the refs swallow the whistle while our bigs got mugged I thought that call and the barely touched foul on Taylor were crap.Taylor took an elbow to the eye and they didn’t even stop play until the blood got so deep someone could have fell from it.We should have won and our big guys were close to asserting themselves to another level,so how can anyone conclude from that,that Adams won’t ever make it big?

Comment by spiritofsection22 03.15.13 @ 9:19 am

@DallasMike, excellent post and points!!

p.s. no need to mention you aren’t an alum.

We need every fan we can get, from alums, to residents of W.Pa., to the kid in Oklahoma that likes Pitt because of the nickname “Panthers”.

Comment by Dan 03.15.13 @ 9:32 am

Pitt of Dreams we must of read different analysis of Adams potential. Most scouts said he had the highest ceiling of all the big men. Kevin Garnett said he has the best foot work for a big man since he entired the league.
You must have been watching a differnt game than I was. Adams going out to pick up the guard and being able to get back to stop any inside plays.
How many shots does he alter/how do you explain going from 17 and 16 to 25 and 7, because of Woodall and the junior class improvement.
There is also no comparison between the Adams and Blair Adams is twice the player now then Blair, especially on defense, blocks and altered shots and offense. Adams problem is not as much his lack of experience, certainly not his talent, it is his confidence that I do not think Dixon or the coaching staff help. He is hesitatant to shot or drive to the basket. He has been told his role, get inside ignore your best part of your game the jump shot(that he refused to take yesterday).
The same can be said of Robinson who has the role of the team leader, Woodall is the shooter.
Woodall is not a shooter he has no rotation on his ball.
If we are going as far as Patterson and Woodall are going to take us as some have suggested we are going to the wrong tournament we should go back to the CBI were we would be without Adams.
Adams is strong and fierce. He simply needs Dixon’s approval to play. Alot of Pitt players have the same problem they have been and still are fearful to play to their strengths if it is out of the system.
Adams is a different breed of player than the self-centered ego inflated by Dixon and swallowed by medicore players like Woodall (slapping hands with the fans when he comes to the bench (the coaches let this go on).
Adams needs positive and honest reinforcement. He does not need restrictions to his comfort zone on the court he needs to use that and be helped to expand in other areas.

Comment by pittisit 03.15.13 @ 12:07 pm

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