Maybe I’m actually tired of expansiopocolypse. Or maybe this one doesn’t seem worth the effort.
It started with a report from a 247 site. That the Big Ten would give an offer to UNC to join, and probably take Virginia (or GT or FSU) to make it an even 16. Sure the Baylor and Clemson iterations were dead wrong over the summer, but since this came from a Maryland one. And they got it right with Maryland to the Big Ten, it has to be true. Forget that Maryland-based rumor reports of the end of the ACC at the hands of the B1G could well be the next version of West Virginia-based rumor reports of the end of the ACC at the hands of the Big XII.
Take a breath.
Would the Big Ten like to add UNC and UVa? Probably if they want to go to 16. Delany has made it clear that it is now all about TV markets. It would fit with his East Coast interests and would be geographically contiguous. Is there really an offer to UNC? Maybe. There have been plenty of people saying that UNC has had a standing offer from the Big Ten for years.
I’m just not seeing UNC going anywhere.
1. ACC exit fees. Maryland and the ACC are involved in a lawsuit over the $50 million exit fees. The trial is proceeding, as the motion for dismissal by Maryland was rejected this week. No one is leaving the ACC until they see what they have to pay.
2. UNC is the ACC. Maryland fans were very split on this decision because of their history in the ACC. In the end Maryland left because they are in such a financial mess, they have no real choice. Now think about UNC. Their finances are fine. They have long been the center of ACC power. Maybe not as much as it used to be, but they hold a lot of influence in the conference (real and perceived). As we saw with Texas and the Big XII, power and influence over a conference is a strong deterrent to leaving.
3. State politics. Yes, it took a pedophile to get Pennsylvania to get involved with one of the major state universities, but most other states are not that hands off. Especially when there is more than one prominent university with athletic aspirations, political power and money.
Think about the fight in Texas when the Pac-10 came knocking. How Baylor (a private school, no less) started fighting to stay relevant with as much political pressure as it could bring. Texas Tech would have been brought along to placate state politics and Texas A&M got really ticked. How Texas A&M finally got to go to the SEC — thanks in no small part to political support from their alumni governor.
UNC and NC State are under the same state education board. You really think the NC State faction would support them leaving the conference that easily? You don’t think political pressure would be brought by Wake Forest and Duke?
How about in Virginia where political pressure was used to force VT into the ACC in the 2003 raid of the Big East? Think it would be that easy for Virginia to leave the ACC? No matter how much VT makes googly eyes to the SEC, until they get that invite they aren’t going to easily let Virginia go B1G.
4. They may not be the real targets. This might be the long-con. Delany has to know that UNC is extremely unlikely to go anywhere. But to let it out about an offer adds to the air of abrupt instability in the ACC. The schools that would be easier to persuade, and not have to worry about messy state politics become even more eager. I’m thinking Florida State and Georgia Tech. They fit academically. They are in very desirable areas for population growth, media markets and recruiting territories.
Take a breath.
Is Chris Peak considered a cheerleader or a neutral observer ??
If FSU is blocked from the SEC (the way BC blocked U con)… then their option is the B-12 and do they really want that? Clemson there must be a story there as well???
who else would go SEC and be a doormat? (honest question). b-10 you have to wonder as well in addition to great points here will any of these guys actually figure out that logistics and barren wasteland make for bad long term decisions?
seems ACC under some immediate pressure because of strategic error not blocking b-10 out of north east… but if they can weather the moment and perhaps get more tv $ … long term, just seems more coherent geographically, brand, and quality potential.
always thought the best defense is a good offense… yeah, what about going after Penn State?? or is that totally not realistic?
There are many articles showing the gap between the Big Ten and the ACC is closing. Here is one following this paragraph. Once the ACC network comes on board, the differential will close further.
link to accfootballrx.blogspot.com
One point everyone is missing is that the Big Ten reached out to the weak sister of the ACC, Maryland, because they were getting concerned about Penn State leaving and with the ACC taking Notre Dame on mostly their terms. The Big Ten always thought Notre Dame to the Big Ten was a given. With the Internet slowly weakening cable TV’s pricing power, the Big Ten network will become less of a money generator not more.
Last note, I fully agree the ACC completely missed the boat when they did not take Rutgers with Pitt and Syracuse. That would have isolated Penn State completely. It was a tactical mistake by Swofford.
the big 12 is safe the big 10 is safe the sec is
safe only the big east and acc can be raided
unless espn gives us a tv deal that is the same as the outhers or every one in the acc signs over there tv rights like the big 12 did to the ACC.
they will get 12.3 million in the fiscal year nov 2012 it will go up so mutch every so many years
first to 14 mill then 17 mill then near the end 19 mill . we all went over this when they first signed the deal
if you look into 3 or 4 sights you will see this id true no one in the acc is geting 19 mill per year now or in the next 4 years.
worked in the ACC how it starts out at 12.3 million and ends up years from now at 19 mill
is it call pro rated or something do you all remmer last year when we found out we get just 14 million per school for years.
and how upset we were
or is it called back loaded help me out here explain to john please
Most of these TV contracts are on a graduated scale and are more back-end loaded.
Additionally Nebraska & WVU for instance are NOT getting the same money as the other teams as well in the first few years.
Wbb help me out here.
The Hillbilly factor. 🙂
Sorry John, the money between the ACC and the Big Ten isn’t even close. I’ve read a bunch of articles on conferences and its significant. Conference TV deals are back loaded and increase year by year. However when they announce the deal they say the highest amount to make conference look better. There is also an issue with second and third tier rights that ACC teams get screwed on.
When you guys say ACC should have taken Rutgers you are assuming that was a viable option. I don’t think it was. Rutgers and UConn would have had to add about 30 million a year in new TV money to make it worth that. The Big 12 can’t even get that much or FSU and another school. Rutgers was more valuable to Big 10. Also even if ACC added Rutgers with Pitt. Rutgers still leaves when Big 10 asks. Just like Pitt would leave ACC tomorrow if asked.
The ACC’s TV contract is subject to renegotiation, Swofford said, with the addition of Notre Dame, which will receive an equal share of basketball television revenue. The ACC and Notre Dame will enter a unique agreement that allows both to keep their own football TV revenue.
The five football games between Notre Dame and ACC schools will rotate year-by-year – three at ACC sites and two at Notre Dame one season, and then three at Notre Dame and two at ACC sites the next. Games broadcast at ACC sites will fall under the conference’s TV contract, and Notre Dame will own the rights for its home games.
Notre Dame’s football broadcast partnership with NBC will expire in 2015, but Swarbrick said the university has “had very productive discussions” with the network about future broadcasting rights
Read more here: link to newsobserver.com
As for renegotiation of the media rights deal with Notre Dame in the fold, the ACC has wasted little time opening a dialogue with ESPN.
“We will renegotiate our television contract with ESPN and we’ve already begun those discussions,” Swofford said. “Obviously beforehand we had already done some analysis as far as what impact that Notre Dame’s involvement with our league would have on that agreement and we exepct that to be a positive one.”
As for that timeline?
“I’m not sure negotiations on television ever happen as quickly as you think they will,” Swofford said, “but I would not anticipate that would be a long, drawn-out affair.”
As far as I know those negotiations have not been completed or the details haven’t been released.
and for what 4 years we would get 14 million per school or 5 years something like that and we dont get any of the ND MONEY till they come on board in
what 2015
so what does their alignment do for the ACC other than pissing off the b-10 to get aggressive and F$#% with us?
I posted that 8 or 9 posts ago. (up ^^)
It’s an ‘AVERAGE’ of $17.1 million as it sits now.
It’s not $17 million in year 1 or 2
the acc the acc paid maryland 14.8 million dollars
at same time all big 10 schools recived 23.7 mill
per school and sense then 3 schools have been
added to the ACC .
WVU is languishing and their brand has taken a serious hit; potentially lethal hit at that. The euphoria of finding a port in a storm having work off, their logistics don’t work. Man they have to go a long way just to take a piss.
FSU or Clemson their doesn’t make sense and making money is one thing: how much you keep is another.
UNC to the Big Ten? Never…I can start a rumor about me and Charlize Theron if I want (“I deny any and all rumors that we are involved. she is a lovely woman and I respect her immensely”). But it doesn’t make it true. It doens’t mean it makes sense either. But it does make it news.
Ok here we go:
Texas, Ok, TT & OSU go to PAC 12 making PAC16
K-State & Kansas go to Big 10 making 16
WVU & Baylor(or Iowa St) go to SEC making 16
There you go, all of them have 16 and no teams were poached from the ACC. ACC can add Uconn & TCU (or Cincinnati) they at 16
gets the ACC into Texas, specifically Dallas/Ft. Worth. And opens up Texas a little more for recruiting purposes.
Oh I like it. They should make me commissioner. lol
Other than that, they have NOTHING.
The ACC has what they all wanted….Notre Dame.
Granted for now it’s on a limited basis, but that could change in a couple years.
Don’t tell anyone !
@ sfpitt, LMAO “Man they have to go a long way just to take a piss.” haha, funny…
good stuff on the conferences, thanks… seems if ACC could lock up more TV $ that would take short term heat off? as Frankcan said, why wouldn’t ESPN step up and support football partner?
I agree Paul…all or nothing…unless they agree to go all in after NBC drops their mutual FB contract.
What do you mean you can never make an absolute statement like NC will never go to the Big Ten? I just did!
I get your point, but I don’t agree with it. The Big ten would take UT in less time than it takes Mac Brown to comb his hair. UT is a great school with smoking hot women. Texas is a huge state with huge TV markets! Anyone who doesnt want them in their conference is a fool.
I don’t know who is right, but I see no reason to trust any of the other sources any more than Forbes.
