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January 14, 2013

One Stuffed Recruting Class

Filed under: Football,Recruiting — Chas @ 2:51 pm

Over the weekend Pitt added another recruit. Not saying it was strictly about making sure Tyler Boyd sticks with Pitt, but it doesn’t hurt.

Clairton senior Terrish Webb became the third player from the Class of 2013 to verbally commit to Pitt to play football, joining teammates Tyler Boyd and Titus Howard. Boyd committed on national television during the first quarter of the U.S. Army All-American Bowl in San Antonio, while Howard verballed prior to the season.

Webb came with Boyd down to Pitt this weekend. Took in the Marquette-Pitt game and still verballed. He initially gave a verbal to Kent State but Pitt made a late offer that had the wide receiver reconsidering.

Webb has 2-stars from Rivals.com and Scout.com. 247 Sports bumps him up to 3-stars and ESPN.com has no evaluation/ranking of him. He’s 6-0 and 170-175 pounds.

Webb is the 23d commit to this first true recruiting class for Coach Paul Chryst. With four of the commits signed, taking classes and counting in last year’s group, Pitt has room for up to six more kids.

This season has seen a lot more of transfers and attrition than Pitt has had in some time, but it really is rather typical when there is a change in coaching regimes. A lot of transfers by the end of the first year. There was no chance to see that with FraudGraham but it would have happened with a significant number between the personality of the coach and the change in style. A lot of players either hung on after last year with the change in regimes — again — or because they didn’t have a better school to go to so they waited another year to see if they could adjust.

The roster overhaul means a couple things.

Mike Farrell, national recruiting analyst for Rivals.com, said Chryst is following all of the proper procedures.

“They are targeting positions of need,” Farrell said last week on TribLive Radio. “But they are also trying to find guys who are being overlooked by other programs. They can sneak in and turn out to be great players. He is the guy to do that. He has a great eye for talent.”

Pitt has landed verbal commitments from three four-star recruits: Clairton wide receiver Tyler Boyd, Belle Vernon offensive lineman Dorian Johnson and quarterback Tra‘von Chapman of Roosevelt High School in Kent, Ohio.

The others, however, are just as important because they could provide desperately needed depth, even though many three- and two-star prospects won‘t play until 2014, at the earliest.

Meanwhile, the roster will be young next season, with as many as 52 freshmen, redshirt freshmen and sophomores. Last year, Pitt started the season with a total of 34 from those groupings.

Depth will likely remain an issue once more in 2013 — especially on the O-line. Chryst does not seem to want any quick fixes, so expect redshirts for all but the best talent.

Hopefully the next commit will be tomorrow. Jaryd Jones-Smith from the Philly area will be announcing his choice on Tuesday at 2:45.

Jones-Smith is a near consensus 3-star offensive tackle — only Rivals.com puts him at 2-stars. He’s exactly the size of the offensive lineman Chryst wants. He’s 6-6 or 6-7 and 290 – 313 pounds. The offer sheet includes Wisconsin, Virginia, Michigan and Oklahoma (at least according to ESPN.com on the last two).

Bring more O-linemen into this class. Even if they redshirt. Depth is desperately needed.





Based on the link, it makes me a little worried that Jones-Smith might not even qualify. Anybody have an inside info?? Frankcan??

Comment by JJ 01.14.13 @ 3:18 pm

Good stuff! The formula they used at Wisconsin worked well for him. I have no doubt that some of these recruits rated as 2 star players, will suprise people. He has shown an eye for talent and getting good players, who for some reason or other, were not rated that high. In addition to that, they did a terrific job at Wisconsin of developing their players. Now that Paul Chryst is bringing in players to fit the things he likes to do, I expect him do do well. I love the fact that he is able to bring as many recruits as they doing. It helps make up ground for the two smaller classes in the last 2 years.

Comment by Justinian 01.14.13 @ 3:19 pm

I also love Chryst cleaning house of the smurfs that Graham recruited.

Comment by TX Panther 01.14.13 @ 3:28 pm

Very promising.

I don’t care if the team goes 6-6 or even 5-7 next year. As painful as that would be it’s clear to see that Chryst is building for the long haul and we need to give him until year 4 to really judge whether or not he’s a success.

Comment by Atlanta Panther 01.14.13 @ 3:43 pm

I am not that sure that jaryd jones smith is
comeing to pitt. butwhat the hell there is allways prep scholl if need be.

Comment by FRANKCAN 01.14.13 @ 4:14 pm

Frankcan;
Who do you see as Pitt’s primary targets with the six scholarships remaining? I think we need some beef for the DT position as well as a LB or two. JJ Smith would be a good get. Maybe a RB like Woodley or Kemp as well.

Comment by Rex 01.14.13 @ 4:32 pm

Having the muscle up front will make 1 & 2 star QB’s and RB’s look All-American.

Go Coach Cryst…………!!

Comment by Mtoolmn 01.14.13 @ 5:31 pm

Does anyone know which players are being asked to get on ‘with their life’s work?’
Lippert?
The Smurfs from Ohio?

Comment by Gas 01.14.13 @ 5:57 pm

Smith two finalist are Virginia and Pitt two schools that take academics more serious then most. If he has a chance to qualify he’ll qualify. Not to many spots open. We had some kid from hawaii visit yesterday a 6’1 320 pound DT. We should be able to get him or Kenton Gibbs for an additional defensive tackle depth. Hopefully at least one of Veii or Kemp will be a panther. The last I can think of would be LB Nigel Harris mabye Jester Weah. Other then that it would have to be a sleeper or a commit from somewhere else to flip like Joshua Jones.

Comment by Beantown-Sean 01.14.13 @ 5:57 pm

Nice post, good article and comments….

level headed, methodical… a man working his plan. Chryst is taking long-term view and that is really encouraging (not trying to make a quick name for himself to jump!)

Now we have the biggest recruiting class in decades and he is focused on kids that work hard and have the attitude he wants. I love it… goes with his demeanor. He does not want to yell and carry on to get his team to play. So he is building that right type of physical player… but also mental makeup.

I can handle so Ls in 2013 if I am watching a team becoming a physically tough and dominant team.

Comment by PittScript 01.14.13 @ 6:04 pm

REX you are right on allways line men but we
are very thin at RB we need them.
WVU has 6 RB commits in this class alone for 2013
we have 5 for the whole team and only one in this class and he will be played at safty.

so you tell me do we need RB .

Comment by FRANKCAN 01.14.13 @ 6:06 pm

“He has a great eye for talent.”

Sounds like a puff piece on the Tribradio.

If he truly had an great eye for talent, after looking at the tape of our vaunted QB for the 2 seasons previous, he would have brought in a juco transfer, imo. Who wouldn’t have ?

Also he wasn’t too involved in recruiting at Wisky so…….(eye for talent)

Get the JoJo Kemp guy, like Frankcan said, we are very thin at RB, in a position that gets injuries to boot. (knock on wood)

Comment by EMel 01.14.13 @ 6:29 pm

Just a thought on the DC for pitt.
the NFL has 4 teams left if chryst is thinking
of our next DC comeing off one of thoes teams
this is who is on thoes teams
Teryl Austin
Jim Tomsula
Tim Lewis
not saying they are his picks but all have benn
in pitts thoughts in the past.

Comment by FRANKCAN 01.14.13 @ 6:47 pm

Did Kerry Cook and Tim Tibesar interview?

Comment by Beantown-Sean 01.14.13 @ 6:53 pm

Frankcan, any coaches on those teams with Wiscy ties?

Comment by marcus of schaumburg 01.14.13 @ 6:55 pm

Beantown sean it seams thoes were just rumors he has not talked to any one abought the job.
so he is eather waiting for the nfl games to be over.
or he is just in no rush and if you wait till the end who ever is left will come cheap.

but i think he is waiting for the nfl to be done.

Comment by FRANKCAN 01.14.13 @ 7:02 pm

Marcus i have not looked yet i know i should have
i will try to do that soon.
i dont know this it is just a feeling buti think
he might want a man with a pitt tie in this time
so he does not have to get a new coach every year.
just a hunch dont know any thing.

Comment by FRANKCAN 01.14.13 @ 7:08 pm

lets look at teryl austin he was DC at FL for one year he did not do very good job but he
has a ton of NFL EXPERENCE and knows the state of
FL which would be good for recruiting and he is older and maybe wont may the same mystakes naxt time.

JIM TOMSULA is from pittsburgh and a frend of chryst brother every one who metts him loves him
the players think he is great they say you could not find a better recruiter and he was thought of for the job chryst got.
and also a ton of NFL experence.

and tim lewis well a pitt man for sure a ton of nfl experence .

who knows.

Comment by FRANKCAN 01.14.13 @ 7:37 pm

Frankcan, I’m not saying I’d pick him – but take a look at Ed Donatell, defensive backs coach on the niner’s.

Comment by marcus of schaumburg 01.14.13 @ 7:45 pm

Thanks Frankcan. I have a love hate relationship with rumors.

Comment by Beantown-Sean 01.14.13 @ 7:48 pm

I don’t think Austin was a bust at Florida; his defense was still in Top 15 but, on the other hand, he didn’t make anyone forget of Charlie Strong either.

Since the Ravens and 49ers are both still playing, you can make an argument that Austin or Tomsula are being considered by Chryst and this is the reason there has been no annoucement.

Comment by wbb 01.14.13 @ 7:51 pm

While JoJo Kemp would be a good pickup, note that commit James Connor, from Erie, who was recruited as a DE before his senior season, had a really good years as a RB and have read that the Pitt staff now like him as a RB

Comment by wbb 01.14.13 @ 7:53 pm

marcus i will do that now.

Comment by FRANKCAN 01.14.13 @ 7:54 pm

I read that all so Wbb but still one RB which would give us 6 on whole team when WVU has 6 in one class i still think we are very thin there
need more depth.

Comment by FRANKCAN 01.14.13 @ 7:58 pm

Yeah, I’d like know who they are considering as the next defensive coordinator. Unfortunatey, none us will know until the announcement is made.
I don’t expect Paul Chryst to call me home to ask my opinion.

Chryst is bringing in a big class and if he is right with the players they’ve recruited, it should begin to pay off in a couple of years. Because unless you’re a phenom, it takes a while for most athletes to develop and to acclimate to the college game.

Comment by Justinian 01.14.13 @ 8:00 pm

Seriously, purge the smurfs, find some speed on D at linebacker along with big linemen. On O it seems like big guys and running game is how Chryst plans to win. And a QB with a strong arm with some scrambling ability. That’s pretty much the Steeler philosophy. Can’t argue with that.

Comment by TX Panther 01.14.13 @ 8:06 pm

justinian you never know he might.

MARCUS he has a lot of nfl experence but i see no ties to pittsburgh or wisconsin or chryst
but who knows.

Comment by FRANKCAN 01.14.13 @ 8:08 pm

Oh, and Graham can go FUCK himself…seriously.

Comment by TX Panther 01.14.13 @ 8:08 pm

TX Panther, I second that, himself and horse he rode in on!

Comment by Justinian 01.14.13 @ 8:14 pm

once again bill mc govern and now bob babich from the bears both good recruiters, keep coming up

Comment by paul shannon 01.14.13 @ 8:19 pm

For once I agree with Mike Farrell. He wasn’t too high on Shell or Boyd. And loves any Nitter recruit because everybody loves Penn State and they can do no wrong. Depth is needed this year. Elite recruits in key positions next year. I consider Chapman, Johnson, Boyd and a few others to be elite or high upside recruits this year. So not too bad for Chryst this year. Still need more speed however. Would love for the new D coordinator to play a nasty and aggressive style D. We do need a running back like Kemp in this class. Another LB as well. And the horse that Graham rode in on was actually a donkey. That would make Graham a Jackass.

Comment by TX Panther 01.14.13 @ 8:35 pm

Glad to see you back posting hot and heavy FRANKCAN, I guess you got the flu beat by now. How you feeling?

Comment by Dr. Tom 01.14.13 @ 8:48 pm

TX Panther, bad day at the office? Your in rare form.

Comment by marcus of schaumburg 01.14.13 @ 8:50 pm

TX Panther very good i love it.

Comment by FRANKCAN 01.14.13 @ 8:51 pm

DR TOM no and yes been sleeping a lot takeing
Q Tussin and Zpack and NYQUIL
THIS IS DAY 9 so am feeling some what better this
is the best day so far still have trouble with the breathing but dont do mutch not yet but soon thanks

Comment by FRANKCAN 01.14.13 @ 9:18 pm

With Tussin and NyQuil you should be feeling pretty good.

Comment by panther94 01.14.13 @ 9:21 pm

@FRankcan

Get well soon buddy. Take it slow & easy.
Good way to drink as well. :-)

Comment by EMel 01.14.13 @ 10:46 pm

This saturday should be a huge weekend to lock up some nice recruits : Pitt – Uconn & forecast = sunny and upper 40′s !

Comment by ROCKY20 01.14.13 @ 11:45 pm

Original Pitt verbal Danielson, who went and verballed at Nebraska, has switched again and verballed Michigan. That makes 6 Offensive linemen for Michigan. Would be nice to send some feelers out to those folks.

Obviously 6 can’t play at the same time and I think they signed 5 last year. I know they had 12 sophomores or less on that offensive line. Go get some more recruits Paul Chryst. Execute the plan!!

Seriously, I am good with Tomsula or Austin. I like Austin alot because of his ties and will be an Urban disciple. He would have to recruit against Urban, so that makes some sense. Anyway, go get em PC!

Comment by dhuffdaddy 01.15.13 @ 12:50 am

In 1960 PA and OH had more recruits in top 20 programs that all of california, texas and florida combined. Now those states have over 6 times as many as PA and OH per espn today. We need to go south to Florida to find the speed. Why we don’t have a recruiting budget and plan for florida escapes me. We aren’t serious about winning until we develop a pipeline to florida and find some assistants from that state.

Comment by TX Panther 01.15.13 @ 6:26 am

Like Austin and Elko. Don’t like Cooks. Hate Lewis and hate is not strong a word.

As for Chryst’s 49ers connection. Don’t see Tomsula as a viable candidate. The D-backs coach maybe.

Knowing Chryst, it’ll probably end up being some guy we didn’t think of but who coached with Chryst along the line, probably Wisconsin.

Comment by PittofDreams 01.15.13 @ 8:23 am

I really didn’t think Chryst would hire an NFL guy to DC position at Pitt. But the longer the search or lack of search goes; I think NFL is the way he is going. I have a feeling someone contacted Chryst showing interest in the position. I don’t think it will be any of the guys mentioned above. Lewis, Austin, or Tomulsa. But if it’s a NFL guy, I don’t see him keeping current Defensive staff in place. I think he would bring a guy or two in. Not sure if Chryst would like to make drastic changes like that. Who knows, Chryst doesn’t seem too worried about it.

Comment by Why me 01.15.13 @ 9:25 am

It’s too bad the defense didn’t play well against Ole Miss. I’d have wanted to promote from within in order to keep the players from having to learn a new system…again. Maybe that’s what’s taking so long…Chryst looking for someone that can adapt.

Comment by Atlanta Panther 01.15.13 @ 9:32 am

No way is Chryst going to cut ties with any of the assistants who followed him to Pitt. He’s all about loyalty.

Huxtable was the exception due to their internal disagreements and the opportunity Huxtable had to go to NC State.

Comment by PittofDreams 01.15.13 @ 9:43 am

Whoever it is for DC, I hope it’s a guy who’s take charge and brings a lot of emotion. These qualities also usually translate into a good recruiter.

Chryst needs that to offset his demeanor and skill set.

Comment by PittofDreams 01.15.13 @ 9:46 am

I don’t know why Chryst is getting such a bum rap as a recruiter. He’s inherited a mess of a program and he’s put together what appears to be a top 30 class. He’s retained 2 of the top 4 talents in the WPIAL and he’s got something like 8 of the top 25 players in PA. That’s pretty good for a guy who has never been a head coach before.

Comment by Atlanta Panther 01.15.13 @ 10:11 am

@PittofDreams
What exactly was the internal disagreement between Chryst and Huxtable that you refer to?

Comment by notrocketscience 01.15.13 @ 10:16 am

Amen Atlanta Panther! Yes, the Pitt football program was reeling when Paul Chryst took over. No he didn’t light the world on fire his first year. But he stabilized the program, that had lost much of 2 recruiting classes. He had to take them from a spred back to a traditional offence. He’s bringing in what looks be very good recruiting class in his first full year on the job. Considering all the above, I think he’s doing a pretty good job.

Comment by Justinian 01.15.13 @ 10:36 am

I want a D coordinator versed in an aggressive and attacking D. That will take recruiting better athletes and some more speed. Need tough kids with a mean streak.

Comment by TX Panther 01.15.13 @ 10:49 am

I agree TX Panther. Those kinds of defenses are fun to watch. Blitz packages out the wazoo. I think most fans would agree with you too.

The question is, what does Paul Chryst want in a D-coordinator? haha

Comment by Atlanta Panther 01.15.13 @ 10:51 am

notrocketscience, I’m not sure that there was a specific diagreement or incident; I believe that Chryst really didn’t care for his style and language – things like that (believe I read that somewhere).

Comment by wbb 01.15.13 @ 11:12 am

Cardiac Hill has as peice about the ACC looking into an ACC network.

link to cardiachill.com

Comment by Justinian 01.15.13 @ 11:49 am

Power running game and blitzing D. Recipe for success at any level. That’s why this coordinator pick is very important.

Comment by TX Panther 01.15.13 @ 11:53 am

I have said since Pitt joined ACC that ACC needs to get its own network. There is plenty of inventory of BB and FB and baseball for an ACC channel. Otherwise ACC faces raids by other richer conferences.

ESPN would not like the competition but ESPN cannot bring all ACC games. Plus ND in ACC mix and ND is a national product and would trump B10 in NYC market and maybe even DC/MD market.

H2P

Comment by Frank MD 01.15.13 @ 12:05 pm

there is a __% chance foster changes his mind and signs w/ pitt on LOI day. anyone want to take a guess? i say 40%.

Comment by scott 01.15.13 @ 12:08 pm

I say less than 10%.

Comment by TX Panther 01.15.13 @ 12:19 pm

TX Panther, saw that ESPN article too. Fla, Tx, Cali rule for top recruits. No surprise but reinforces the need to tap into Fla. Interesting also that NC on par with PA, and VA superior. We should be working those states now as well.

Agree see very little chance that Foster changes his mind. But…would not be surprised if he transfers down the road.

Comment by Iron Duke 01.15.13 @ 12:35 pm

VA, GA and NC have all pretty much overtaken OH and PA as fertile recruiting grounds. I would also venture to bet that many of these kids have relatives in OH and PA.

I find a lot of Northeast and Midwest transplants down here in Texas. Although their kids may be Texan (like mine), many families still head back North to see the grandparents and cousins. Kids will have a connection with your past.

That’s why I think it may not be too difficult to recruit a kid from the South since their parents may have originally been from the North.

However, I find it ridiculous that Pitt hires a coach with connections to California and Hawaii. No kid will come that far east and cross 4 time zones. Pitt needs to find some experienced coaches who are familiar with the ACC footprint. I want Pitt’s new DC to have ‘southern’ ties.

Comment by TX Panther 01.15.13 @ 12:55 pm

Scott, What Foster is too inexperienced to realize, is the that getting the opportunity play right awayy is BIG! When he’s sitting on the bench and fithting for playing time, he will learn, how big a deal really it is. Devon Street is going into his senior year and Boyd will probably have a good opportunity to possibly play the other WR spot right away. Other recievers at Pitt will have opportunities as well, if not this season, then next year.

Comment by Justinian 01.15.13 @ 1:05 pm

No way a defensive coordinator from a pro team is going to take the same job for Pitt. It must a position coach. Maybe Jim Leavitt from the 49s? He knows Florida…

Comment by Caw Miller 01.15.13 @ 1:12 pm

Zero percent chance Foster changes his mind. The kid simply feels Alabama is the best choice for him everything considered.

Tears on announcement day were due to his feeling bad about not being able to pick Pitt as his Mother and others close to him would have liked.

Comment by PittofDreams 01.15.13 @ 1:13 pm

Ohio is still up there with Florida & Texas or pretty close. PA, not so much. Which is kind of strange, Ohio & PA were neck & neck for decades with producing quality D1 players.

Ohio has had as much migration to the South or other points as PA, I would imagine.

Perhaps PA has lost more industry and with that, some of these former really fertile recruiting hotbeds, like for instance the Beaver Valley.
Yes we still get a few kids from that area but it’s a trickle now where it use to be a River.

The Carolinas produces some really good D1 talent these days, as their kids are all over the rosters of Clemson, UNC, NC State, Wake Forest, Duke, East Carolina and even the border states of Virginia & Tenn.

Losing Huxtable was big since he had some ties down here, so he should be replaced with someone who has Southern ties. Have to expand that recruiting base ala L-ville and Wvcc, or we just won’t have the speed to compete. Well compete well that is.

Comment by EMel 01.15.13 @ 2:36 pm

What a lot of you guys don’t realize about why the southern states are better recruiting grounds is because many of them allow spring football practice. Yes, they may have better athletes over all as well, more speed, etc. But don’t underestimate the impact that an extra 60 practices has over a four year career in player development. Somebody needs to lobby the PIAA…

Comment by Atlanta Panther 01.15.13 @ 2:36 pm

emel, I agree that western PA is not producing as many good prospects as they did in the past but the eastern part of the state is producing more good prospects than it ever has…Pitt is not pushing hard enough with recruting efforts east of Harrisburg… We need to own the entire state, not just western Pa.

Comment by pittfan92 01.15.13 @ 2:50 pm

good comments… very insightful.
Power football is what we believe in here and on D as well. Intriguing to see where DC will come from. Tomsula intriguing given his years on DL. (link to pro-football-reference.com).
You would think he has that mentality for tough physcial D. Some of the other folks mentioned have DB background. On top of that he knows Chryst’s brother and has connection here… intriguing.

Chryst is building this from the ground up and that is just really great to see.

Given comments above on recruiting it is great to be in ACC now. Big East imploding and no where (geographically to go really)… Big 12, as others mentioned who wants 800 miles plus as shortest trip and out to the middle/west of the country… who is going to get fired up about playing there? ACC really positions us to take advantage of what you folks are highlighting here.

Comment by PittScript 01.15.13 @ 2:58 pm

Any word on Jones-Smith?

Comment by Atlanta Panther 01.15.13 @ 3:00 pm

He committed to Pitt according to reports I just saw on the web!

Comment by JJ 01.15.13 @ 3:01 pm

NJ has decent recruits as well. But, Pitt needs to go after EPA given Pedo State’s probation.

I agree that spring practices help but weather accomodates. Coaching appears to be better (coaches are well paid). Competition is better with the bigger schools (many more larger districts in my area). There are 5 high schools in my 55k town. Each has their own football team. Each plays in either 4A or 5A equivalent divisions. My town is small for the area.

BTW – JJ Smith is now a Panther!

Comment by TX Panther 01.15.13 @ 3:01 pm

JJ Smith Oline or Dline?

Comment by Why me 01.15.13 @ 3:04 pm

He chose Pitt – for all the grief HCPC got for not being a good recruiter, he ending up with a really good class. Give him 3 years and we may be competing for the ACC title!

Comment by markp 01.15.13 @ 3:05 pm

They plan on building a 6th HS to accomodate the growth. More HS’s mean more teams and more opportunity to play. Plus summer leagues/clinics for football as well. The kids never stop playing or learning. I’m surprised more kids don’t burn out.

Can’t find old people in my town or anywhere in DFW. That’s the first thing I notice when I go back to the Burg…how old and gray it is. Youngsters are steered towards football at a very early age. The best athletes generally play football here. These things may explain some of the differences between North and South recruits.

Texas also builds new $60M, 18k football stadiums for their high schools. Cheap Pitt may not fork over an extra $100k to get a decent DC. Differences in priorities I guess.

Comment by TX Panther 01.15.13 @ 3:10 pm

offensive tackle. massive in size. the kind Chryst likes.

Comment by TX Panther 01.15.13 @ 3:11 pm

Awesome. Welcome to Pitt JJS!
@ TX Panther

Practicing in April in PA is no worse than practicing in November. But yes, higher population and a focus on HS football (especially in Texas) do also make a difference.

Comment by Atlanta Panther 01.15.13 @ 3:12 pm

They’ve got friday night lights.

But we’ve…got THIS

link to youtube.com

Comment by Atlanta Panther 01.15.13 @ 3:15 pm

JJS – another recruit from EPA. There is talent on that end of the state. Chryst doing a very good job mining it.

@Atlanta Panther – I’ve become soft livin down here for over 12 years. I’d rather practice in 80 degress come April than 50 degrees in PA.

Although the kids down South may be better athletes and have more speed, I’ll take a kid from OH or WPA for toughness any day.

Hopefully, Pitt gets to play FSU and Miami in November. Those Florida softies won’t be able to catch the ball or tackle in that cold weather.

Comment by TX Panther 01.15.13 @ 3:19 pm

emel, I spoke to soon about eastern PA! JJS is a solid prospect. Have seen him play in state playoffs when he had David Williams on his team as junior. He needs to get stronger but is massive and from what I hear, a good kid that is very coachable. BTW – did Williams committ anywhere yet?

Comment by pittfan92 01.15.13 @ 3:23 pm

I listen to the UNC games locally here, as the local big talker AM station carries their games as well as things like the Roy Williams show, the Larry Fedora show (ikr) and the weekly ACC radio show, Primetime in the ACC.

Last night it was kind of interesting what Roy Williams said, when asked by the host about playing Maryland for the final time in Chapel Hill.

He said; ” well for the final time with Maryland being in the ACC”. The he laughed. That alone is a little interesting, but taken with some other things I’ve heard on the radio…..is really quite interesting.

The weekly ACC radio show I mentioned, is called:
“Primetime in the ACC” which is heard on 65 radio stations thruout ACC country and is hosted by this fellow named Dave Nathan.

I listened to this hour long Tuesday evening show just about every week this past football season and now into basketball season. Ok, so it’s an ACC radio show that’s supposed to be supporting & promoting
ACC football, sports, etc.

Wrong,.,,just about every week, the host (Dave Nathan) was incessant on telling the listening audience just how truly horrible ACC football is. I thought this to be kind of strange since a show about the ACC shouldn’t be putting it in such a bad light, you know not exactly promoting it.
He frequently has former East Carolina football coach Steve Jones to add to the anti-ACC football banter and to add some light comedy, as this Jones character is known for his bluntness.

Anyway when Tarheel basketball season started, guess who is doing the pre-game and post-game show for UNC? Right… this Dave Nathan guy, who spent the whole fall bashing ACC football. So I found out he’s part of the Tarheel Network.

When you add this all up and the fact that there have been rumors that the Big 10 would like to expand farther southward from Maryland and UNC might be a prime candidate, what better way to justify the move, than to have conditioned a lot of people into thinking ACC football is so bad, that we just had to move to the Big 10.

Even though the ACC had a good bowl season at 4-2, Nathan even belittled that. Including the Clemson win over LSU, saying well it was in the last minute, intimating Clemson got lucky, said GT’s win was over a weak USC team (guess he forgot GT got a bowl bid at 6-7, so in fact it was an excellent win for GT) and made fun of FSU’s win over NIU. And called out Duke (6-7) for not beating the co-champion of the BigEast, Cincinnati, who was a much better team and should have won. He also dissed Va TEch for barely beating Rutgers.

I can’t believe that all of this was done without some other agenda behind it. For that is the only way it would make any sense, if that is indeed what UNC is angling for.

Comment by EMel 01.15.13 @ 3:30 pm

I think David Williams committed to South Carolina.

Comment by JJ 01.15.13 @ 3:40 pm

Furthermore I don’t recall him bashing NC State for losing to Vanderbilt in the Music City Bowl or bashing them much during the season. (for that would have made for some fodder since Vandy has only played in 6 Bowls EVER !)

Maybe the plan is for both UNC & NC State (for I imagine one couldn’t move without the other) to both join the ACC.

Also interesting, is UNC hoops doesn’t look so scary this year….to say Big 10 schools.

Comment by EMel 01.15.13 @ 3:45 pm

typo** line 5

other) to both join the Big 10.

Comment by EMel 01.15.13 @ 3:46 pm

Note that I have posted the actual data on this site in the past … but stats show that despite PA having almost a million more students than OH, OH has produced almost a thousand more D1 commits for the past few years.

Comment by wbb 01.15.13 @ 4:00 pm

You have to love it more big line men keep thoes
hogs comeing .
bring me more the biger the better.

Comment by FRANKCAN 01.15.13 @ 4:01 pm

Some guys on Scout.con think this guy could be the next DC:

link to 49ers.com

Comment by Jackagain 01.15.13 @ 4:20 pm

right wbb

I posted an article on national recruiting a month or so ago. Had each state color coded and the states with the most D1 recruits and color coded the same were Florida, Texas, Ohio & CA.

Hate to admit Ohio has more than us (PA), but there is it. PA was about color coded the same as SC I believe or maybe it was NC.

Comment by EMel 01.15.13 @ 4:22 pm

Now, how about a quick back to run behind “those big palookas up front?”

Comment by PittofDreams 01.15.13 @ 4:38 pm

Chryst and some other names connected through Wisconsin…

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After the Badgers made their first Rose Bowl appearance in 11 seasons, nine members of coach Bret Bielema’s staff received inquiries from other teams. Defensive coordinator Dave Doeren landed the head-coaching job at Northern Illinois. Two assistants, John Settle and Greg Jackson, left for posts in the NFL. Offensive coordinator Paul Chryst turned down a lucrative coordinator offer from Texas to remain with his alma mater.

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Comment by PittofDreams 01.15.13 @ 4:55 pm

wbb you make a good point but you have to figure that the pletora of MAC schools in Ohio contribute to all those D1 Commits.

Comment by Atlanta Panther 01.15.13 @ 5:27 pm

dman i pselled plethora wrogn

Comment by Atlanta Panther 01.15.13 @ 5:27 pm

Wbb, Yes Ohio has more D1 players than PA, because in Pennsylvania about 30 years ago we went through a lot of school district mergers. The idea was that they offer greater course offerings and reduce their administation costs etc. The result is that Ohio has many more school districts. Although many of them are a lot smaller the result is that more kids are playing football. The more kids playing the more that develop. It’s not unusual in smaller schools in Ohio for kids to play multiple sports. If a kid at a small school is on the football, basketball and

Comment by Justinian 01.15.13 @ 6:06 pm

Wbb, Yes Ohio has more D1 players than PA, because in Pennsylvania about 30 years ago we went through a lot of school district mergers. The idea was that they offer greater course offerings and reduce their administation costs etc. The result is that Ohio has many more school districts. I believe they almost twice as many kids playing football. Although many of them are a lot smaller the result is that more kids are playing ball. The more kids playing the more that develop. It’s not unusual in smaller schools in Ohio for kids to play multiple sports. If a kid at a small school is on the football, basketball and volleyball teams they practice every day and get to be pretty good. That’s not so easy to do at North Allegheny, Woodland Hills, or Mt. Lebanon.

Comment by Justinian 01.15.13 @ 6:12 pm

If any of you are still interested in farting around with ideas for a Pitt Stadium, KF (a poster here, and a practicing engineer with skills and tools) did some great drawings and overlays which I put up on the Pitt Stadium Concept site thingy.

Comment by CompLit 01.15.13 @ 6:17 pm

I don’t hear anybody whining about the lack of offensive line recruits that Pitt has anymore.
Thats good. With today’s committment of JJ Smith, that makes five guys for the O line. FANTASTIC!!!!
Glad to learn that you’re hanging in there FRANKCAN, don’t rush your recovery.

Comment by Dr. Tom 01.15.13 @ 6:42 pm

Dr. Tom, I imagine it’s purely coincidental that running backs and quarterbacks do better, running and throwing behind big strong offensive linemen.

Comment by Justinian 01.15.13 @ 6:56 pm

“It Fits!”

Not that there was much doubt, but this is the major conclusion that comes from the preliminary collaboration completed by CompLit and KF on the new Pitt Stadium proposed for the Frick Fine Arts site.

Next up… a professional feasibility study.

Ideas?

Comment by PittofDreams 01.15.13 @ 7:16 pm

@PittofDreams.. throw some ideas into the comments of the stadium thing. Need a 3rd, 4th, 5th….. person with ideas (collaborator) and don’t want to step on Chas’s toes or hijack anything.. P.S. I like big words.. w/ 5 syllables

Comment by CompLit 01.15.13 @ 7:27 pm

Complit – can you repost the link to your stadium work?

Comment by dinosaur 71 01.15.13 @ 8:01 pm

Its….

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Comment by CompLit 01.15.13 @ 8:04 pm

Comment by CompLit 01.15.13 @ 8:05 pm

I was leaning the wrong way….

Comment by CompLit 01.15.13 @ 8:05 pm

I was hoping Frick could be saved. Could Frick be incorporated into the stadium design or is there another place for it. Demolishing and reconstructing will cost more money and there will be resistance from the art program and community. Isn’t it possible to wedge this stadium between Frick and Katz? Or maybe just a partial demolition to the existing Frick structure on the west side with expansion on a new build out towards Schenley and down towards the Hollow.

Comment by TX Panther 01.15.13 @ 8:24 pm

How about a recruiting finish of these five (assuming Foster changing his mind is not going to happen.
Jo Jo Kemp – RB
Kenton Gibbs – DT
Nigel Harris – LB
Josh Jones – S
Jester Weah – WR
I doubt it happens but it would put the finishing touches on a great class. Next year looks like another good year for OL if we can get Bookser, Grimm, Troutt and LaRubbio.
Would we take Kincaide and Chryst for QB?
Does anyone know who will be the Center next year?
H2P

Comment by Rex 01.15.13 @ 8:36 pm

Good site CompLit.

Not sure how these feasibility studies work and what must be done for them. I imagine involment from urban development and city engineers is needed along with initial signoff from the BOT. Would help if Frick supported this. I think only if the arts program gets a fantastic upgrade or substantial donation would they favor such plans.

And Pitt needs another running back in this class and LB. Pretty solid on the O line now. Building depth with some big bodies.

Comment by TX Panther 01.15.13 @ 8:45 pm

Looks like Josh Jones visited this past weekend and “likes the town of Pitt.”

link to insider.espn.go.com

Comment by panther94 01.15.13 @ 8:45 pm

Now no one will have to ask, “Where’s the beef?”

Comment by Justinian 01.15.13 @ 8:50 pm

It does fit so those that say no place for it can move on to other more valid issues. Existing roads seem spared or can easily be reconfigured slightly. Parking will be a beef but really with heinz taking away spaces each year, that arguement carries less weight. Plenty of parking garages now in oakland since old pitt stadium was up and some more could be built in panther hollow. Public transit is key as well for fans from the burbs. Park somewhere even and take a bus in if needed to avoid the Oakland traffic. Adults wouldn’t mind this hassle free option. Subway would be ideal however. Frick relo or demo is an issue.

If needed, I can contribute whatever ideas or questions on your site. Does it have a comment section? I will also donate some money for the study. Money that Stevie P can’t touch. Don’t know how much they cost for a professionally done one that will be able to navigate the red tape of city hall. But I figure that would be a separate donantion to some BOT or city council member to grease the wheel so to say.

Comment by TX Panther 01.15.13 @ 8:59 pm

somebody asked who the staff could be likely to finish out with. There are several more players that you guys might not have heard of yet.

jacquille veii-5’10″ 175lb ATH told one reporter he ran a 4.27 but every site has him at sub 4.4
chris britton-6’3″ 210lb olb- boblichtenfels, recruiting coordinator at 247 and previously scout says that he would be the most athletic linebacker on pitts team and the only guy that could compare to him is todd thomas. he was a bball star, only played 3 games his jr year, exploded this year and made the big 33, has no offers but is visiting pitt this weekend (i personally hope pitt offers)
jeremiah taleni-6’2″ 300-340lb dt from hawaii- pitt has offered, he just visited pitt, is big and can move, said he could commit to pitt as early as today, also has a nevada offer and a wash state offer

kenton gibbs is very unlikely for pitt. josh jones is possibly favoring pitt

Comment by pk 01.15.13 @ 9:12 pm

Thanks pk. Very informative. You must be related to FRANKCAN. That’s a compliment if you didn’t know.

Comment by TX Panther 01.15.13 @ 9:22 pm

Give me some more time to work on the layout and come up with some sketches on parking and relocating some roads etc. I can take it to another level just need longer lunch breaks to work on it.

Highly unlikely to save frick bldg but I will look into it.

Comment by KRF 01.15.13 @ 9:30 pm

As a member of the Class of ’63 I have very strong memories of an on-campus stadium. The proposed plans for a new Pitt Stadium are nothing short of brilliant and a product of quite a bit of work.

But, and this is a BIG BUT (No BUTT joke please),
The Frick Fine Arts Building is a historical landmark and not so easily torn down or moved.
In fact, it is one of the very best buildings on the entire campus. So, the location for the new stadium will have to be tweaked…I truly hope there is a way to get this project started, however, $$$$$ will be a MAJOR factor!

Comment by isnore 01.15.13 @ 9:32 pm

Complit… will do.

However, I think a natural next step would be to see if any contributors to this Blog know of a qualified Pitt Alum owned engineering firm that could be approached with the idea of doing a feasibility study?

Of course, it would help if they were similarly inspired by your base concept for a new Pitt Stadium and the realization that a new on-campus facility is paramount to any hope of Pitt Football fully re-establishing itself as a major Division 1 program.

Comment by PittofDreams 01.15.13 @ 9:34 pm

On another note the naysayers who said that Coach Chryst and his staff can’t recruit have been proven to be totally wrong. No, we will not get every top recruit given the mess Pitt football has been in, however, we are on our way to a class that will bring winning records in the ACC….and the best is yet to come.

Comment by isnore 01.15.13 @ 9:36 pm

I’m no engineer but can’t the seating elevation of the stadium be made steeper to help wedge it in without having to demo part of the Frick building? And we don’t need a track around this one if that will help. That Frick building and classes there got me interested in art. Without that culture rubbing off on me, I’d be an total ignorant cuss. I’m ignorant enough.

Comment by TX Panther 01.15.13 @ 9:46 pm

The footprint for the stadium is relative small compared to most stadiums these days. There is no track around this stadium. There is another exhibit under topography that shows Rutgers stadium and overlayed it. I brought in a few other stadiums and they were much larger.

Comment by KRF 01.15.13 @ 9:51 pm

I can save frick but Katz business bldg will have to be relocated along with Roberto Clemente way.

Comment by KRF 01.15.13 @ 9:53 pm

Moving Katz means that the heavywight donors will have to step up to the plate and hit huge homeruns beyond Mr Clemente’s way.

Comment by isnore 01.15.13 @ 9:57 pm

There’s always room if they buy a helluva lot more parcels and regrade everything on south side of that area.

Comment by KRF 01.15.13 @ 9:59 pm

i messed up on veii, every site has him at sub 4.5. regardless, he still has elite speed. also will visit this weekend but does not curently hold pitt offer

Comment by pk 01.15.13 @ 10:04 pm

Oakland needs an extension of the train system. Then a new Pitt stadium becomes realistic.

Comment by Frank MD 01.15.13 @ 10:06 pm

Terrish Webb is not an add-on to make Boyd happy, If Webb has couple more inches he would be household name as well; has the skill and I think will make a great D-Back and special teamer. Luv players with speed and skill …

Comment by Cooper Barr 01.15.13 @ 10:14 pm

Nice idea to extend trains to Oakland…ain’t gonna happen. $$$ No money from Harrisburg…no money from GOP House of Representatives that will not fund infrastructure projects.
NO TRAINS TO STADIUM

Comment by isnore 01.15.13 @ 10:14 pm

Could be part of a bond package. Paid back via revenues from the gate and extra student fees. Maybe even Fed money but nobody wants to spend these days for economic investments in infrastructure.

Even without a train, people who drive cars in from the burbs could park and ride to avoid the traffic mess in Oakland. Students could just walk a few blocks. Reason why students don’t go to games is cause they need a car. What student has a car. And shuttles for students aren’t cool or whatever they say these days. Students want to leave at half but shuttles don’t start until that aweful sweet caroline is over.

As an adult, I would park in a garage on campus, drink at the local bars. Or I would park and ride while taking a shuttle in. Don’t need a big investment to make it work to alleviate traffic congestion. Fine to think big but also need to be realistic.

Katz is an eye sore much like posvar hall. Both need to be demolished. You would have my support to raze them both and put something more pleasing to the eye in place. Frick should be left for the most part untouched.

Terrish is a very solid recruit. He should make an impact.

When will Chryst pick a DC and will he have pro ties or southern ties or wisky ties?

Can Pitt be the old Pitt against Nova tomorrow? The Pitt that beats their ass in the regular season. Not the Pitt that loses to them in the Elite 8.

Comment by TX Panther 01.15.13 @ 10:48 pm

In the words of Mr. Holland in “Mr. Holland’s Opus”, after he got canned in a budget crunch (to the football coach): “The day they cut the football budget…..that will be the end of western civilization as we know it”

That’s why I know that should they decide to build a football stadium on campus again the Frick Fine Arts building doesn’t stand a chance….

Comment by TOURMAN 01.15.13 @ 11:19 pm

Instead of taking out Katz, why not build further west across Boundary (we would need a traffic study). It might necessitate moving train tracks but it wouldn’t require any buildings be demolished.

Comment by Pitt Dad 01.15.13 @ 11:49 pm

Mazeroski Field could then be part of the plans as well.

Comment by Pitt Dad 01.15.13 @ 11:49 pm

To keep costs reasonable and to prevent a crisis of shutting down the art and business programs with the demo of their buildings, there has to be a way to squeeze it in. I personally like a stadium with steep sides, a semi open end on the north side…doesn’t have to be horseshoe, scoreboards on the side ends of the open end so as not to obstruct the view of TD cathedral, and a very high south end much like seattles pro stadium with an observation walk…you could overlook the hollow and see down to the Mon. Impressive view. Those would defintely be nose bleed seats but sitting right over the end zone basically. Unlike heinz where you are far back and high to boot.

Again with new garages in the hollow and park n rides for burbites, this could help alleviate traffic congestion and major parking issues. Bear in mind, congestion is bad at heinz today and parking space is being lost each year. So what’s the difference?

Comment by TX Panther 01.16.13 @ 7:32 am

@TXPanther . Site does have comments section. Please comment.

PS: Thankx KRF for your work..

Comment by CompLit 01.16.13 @ 8:47 am

will do

Comment by TX Panther 01.16.13 @ 9:47 am

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