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January 12, 2013

Open Thread: Marquette-Pitt

Filed under: Basketball,Open Thread — Chas @ 10:13 am

So, has Pitt started to find its footing after getting smacked in the mouth by Cinci and Rutgers? Was Georgetown more along the lines of what can be expected, or was it simply that the Hoyas were the perfect match-up for Pitt? There is an awareness that they have to show that was the norm.

…Dixon has been emphasizing to his players why they were so successful against Georgetown. He said that is the key to building a winning streak.

“We want them to recognize why,” Dixon said. “We watch film to show them what they didn’t do well, but we wanted to watch film of why they did things well, show the things we have to continue to do and improve on. There are not many wins like that on the road. We have to see how we respond to it on Saturday. Marquette won two close games that speaks to how good they are.”

Marquette (11-3) brings a 2-0 Big East record into the game after home victories against Connecticut and Georgetown. The Golden Eagles beat Connecticut in overtime and Georgetown by one point.

Pitt also has the looming issue of a back-loaded schedule in the conference. So they can’t afford the luxury of having off-games against teams in the middle and bottom of the conference. Cinci and Rutgers used up the quota.

The players and coaches talk of practices picking up intensity after the losses.

“Those few days in practice, we were getting after it aggressively,” senior center Dante Taylor said. “Coaches weren‘t calling (fouls), just letting (us) play.”

Redshirt freshman forward Durand Johnson liked it.

“We just felt like enough was enough,” he said. “We just had to get back to the way the normal Pitt team was, being aggressive and getting after it, and stop letting teams get after us and getting us on our heels.”

Johnson said Pitt, which opened the season 12-1 before losing to Cincinnati and Rutgers, was developing bad habits.

“Sometimes, you come out in practice, you might be lazy, you might be beat up and sore,” he said. “The old saying, you practice how you play. When we practice lousy and don‘t get after it, we come out with (losses). And we did that at the beginning of the Big East.”

With Trey Zeigler still struggling to find himself on this team, Durand Johnson has gotten more opportunities and taken advantage of them.

Marquette has gotten off to a 2-0 start in the Big East, but it comes with a caveat. They were both home games. The Golden Eagles haven’t won a road game this season — granted they have only played two losing to Florida and Wisconsin-Green Bay — so they have something to prove.

“Good teams win at home,” coach Buzz Williams said. “But all we have done is hold serve. You’re supposed to win at home. The great teams win on the road. Now we have nine chances. That will determine if we’re going to play in some kind of tournament other than the Big East tournament.”

At least the Golden Eagles have done the prep work for this opportunity to keep their early foothold in the Big East.

On New Year’s night they beat Connecticut in overtime. Then on Saturday, they took No. 15 Georgetown inside the final seconds to win, 49-48.

It’s not often that a team gets such disparate competition in the matter of a week.

To overcome the Huskies, Marquette had to contain speedy guards. To beat Georgetown, it was all about preparing for the Princeton offense that is rarely seen anymore.

“We’re thankful for the first week we had,” Williams said. “But we haven’t had any success thus far on the road, and I don’t know if starting at Pitt changes those odds. They have thoroughly dominated us during my tenure in the Big East at home. “

Hopefully Pitt continues that today. It’s a nooner on ESPNU.





I know this is a BB post but i think i know why
there is no DC yet he wants to hire some one who is in the pro football play off and cant untill the playoff are over or that mans team loses.
cant see any outher reason to wait.

Comment by FRANKCAN 01.12.13 @ 11:41 am

Marquette is the one Big East team I will miss. I hope UConn chokes on IT. IT is too vulgar a word to say.

Comment by TX Panther 01.12.13 @ 11:46 am

Jamie looks worried!!

Comment by alcofan 01.12.13 @ 12:03 pm

Jerry Wainwright on the bench for Marq

Comment by alcofan 01.12.13 @ 12:07 pm

Need to get out on their 3 point shooters or it will be a long afternoon.

Comment by Dan 72 01.12.13 @ 12:15 pm

Why aren’t they attacking the middle of the zone? What the hell are they doing…

Comment by MikePITT 01.12.13 @ 12:23 pm

Thanks for listening sleepy :)

Comment by MikePITT 01.12.13 @ 12:24 pm

Haven’t scored since Woodall went out. Phew

Comment by alcofan 01.12.13 @ 12:24 pm

Better start moving the ball v. zone. Again settling for 3’s, fortunately getting some offensive rebounds.

Comment by Iron Duke 01.12.13 @ 12:32 pm

I forgot that Beth Mowins also does basketball. Ugh.

Comment by Mailman 01.12.13 @ 12:34 pm

Just me or does Ziegler get way too much playing time?

Comment by MikePITT 01.12.13 @ 12:35 pm

I’m starting to hate Patterson. He does nothing. And am I the only one having feed problems with ESPNU?

Comment by Carmen 01.12.13 @ 12:36 pm

I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again: we haven’t had a real scorer since Sam Young. I can’t understand why Dixon can’t recruit a kid who can just create his own shot.

Comment by MikePITT 01.12.13 @ 12:42 pm

This game is extremely hard to watch, they are going to be lucky to score 50 today, they struggle against the zone

Comment by WLAT and The Big Beat 01.12.13 @ 12:44 pm

We’re getting the foul calls but we’ve already missed 6 FTs at least two of which were the front end of 1 and 1s. If we had half of those points this would be a different game.

Comment by Pitt Dad 01.12.13 @ 12:45 pm

If Pitt can make some fts they win. If Marquette continues to hit 3’s they win. It’s that simple

Never seen such “bricks” from the FT line as Pitt has thrown up. Will they EVER get it fixed?

Comment by Dan 72 01.12.13 @ 12:48 pm

D Johnston stepping up

Comment by alcofan 01.12.13 @ 12:53 pm

Marq 71% fron 3

Comment by alcofan 01.12.13 @ 12:54 pm

One of the worst calls ever seen by Driscoll the ref. If that’s basket interference I am a Ravens fan!

Second most irritating announcer to “you know who” is this lady today and all the alto voiced women announcers whom Pitt gets regularly.

Still Pitt lucky to be down 3. With the loss of Woodall, Zeigler and a few others will have to grow up quickly or this will be a Marquette blowout in the second half.

Comment by Dan 72 01.12.13 @ 1:02 pm

Generally we’ve been getting the calls. We have to make our FTs (that got better as the half went on) and we have to hit some shots. If we were shooting even 50%, this game would be much different.

Comment by Pitt Dad 01.12.13 @ 1:07 pm

Now THAT, is what you want to see from Adams

Comment by Kenny Powers 01.12.13 @ 1:16 pm

@KPowers — exactly! Now WHY aren’t we going back to him????

Comment by MikePITT 01.12.13 @ 1:22 pm

Being outrebounded 15-12

Comment by alcofan 01.12.13 @ 1:23 pm

Zanna looks half asleep today…he needs to wake up fast or Pitt’s in trouble.

Comment by Jackagain 01.12.13 @ 1:23 pm

Change in that winning formula posted earlier. Pitt must stop the dribble penetration of Marquettes guards. They can only go right so overplay that hand. Pitt keeping it close.

Comment by Dan 72 01.12.13 @ 1:27 pm

@MikePITT

I dunno but I wished there was more of an effort to get him involved like that. Just seems strange to not try it at least a few times a game. We’re lucky if we see that once every 2 games

Comment by Kenny Powers 01.12.13 @ 1:28 pm

Now THAT was a terrible call. Clean block by Adams.

Comment by Pitt Dad 01.12.13 @ 1:28 pm

Use upo a whole shot clock and Dante can’t dunk it.

Comment by Pitt Dad 01.12.13 @ 1:30 pm

This is the kind of game they must learn to win. Somebody needs to step up.

Comment by gc 01.12.13 @ 1:31 pm

Pitt looks like crap again…the Pete is no longer a tough place for a visiting team to win IMO.

Comment by Jackagain 01.12.13 @ 1:31 pm

Could we please put Durrand Johnson back in the game..please?

Comment by Dan 72 01.12.13 @ 1:38 pm

Whats wrong with JJ Moore? He has looked horrid the last few games

Comment by Kenny Powers 01.12.13 @ 1:41 pm

Ok make me eat crow JJ

Comment by Kenny Powers 01.12.13 @ 1:42 pm

Big East rumble

Comment by alcofan 01.12.13 @ 1:45 pm

Pitt cannot seem to play offense and defense at the same time. Marquette now owns the offensive boards…last three times down it’s been 1 agains 4 and the 1 for Marquette has won the battle. Adams looks a bit spooked with 3 fouls.

Comment by Dan 72 01.12.13 @ 1:45 pm

Patterson, you are forgiven. Now can we start making 5 footers?!

Comment by Carmen 01.12.13 @ 1:46 pm

Outrebounded 22-16

Comment by alcofan 01.12.13 @ 1:46 pm

Zanna seems to disappear in 2nd halves

Comment by Carmen 01.12.13 @ 1:48 pm

I like Moore at the 3 more than Patterson. That way you can have Zanna on the floor also. More of a presence inside w/ that lineup and a little more scoring w/ Moore. Also, I think Zeigler is playing pretty good today and we can definitely use some scoring from him.

Comment by Bones 01.12.13 @ 1:49 pm

Zanna invisible today. Where is Durand. Looking like G’town game an aberration.

Comment by Iron Duke 01.12.13 @ 1:49 pm

Great screen by Zanna. Making up for his 1-7 from the floor.

Comment by CNorwoodAZ 01.12.13 @ 1:50 pm

Should have been a T on Lockett there. Buzz Williams should shut up and sit down.

Comment by Pitt Dad 01.12.13 @ 1:52 pm

Amost broke my tv when Marquette got that last 1 on 4 rebound. Things really not looking good for Pitt

Comment by Dan 72 01.12.13 @ 1:53 pm

Wish Adams would stand his ground a little better on D. Zanna doesn’t have today

Comment by Kenny Powers 01.12.13 @ 1:54 pm

A very frustrating game to watch. Pitt stays within 2-5 points but cannot draw even. Marquette owns the boards in the second half and that is the difference.

Comment by Dan 72 01.12.13 @ 1:55 pm

If you make your shots, offensive rebounds don’t matter.

Comment by Pitt Dad 01.12.13 @ 1:56 pm

Johnson playing his game today. Only one that can take it to the hoop. Someone needs to step up.

Comment by gc 01.12.13 @ 1:56 pm

Adams is AWFUL on both ends. Huge liability on offense. Can’t shoot a free throw to save his life. Can’t even guard one on one, box some one out or grab a ball

Comment by TonyC 01.12.13 @ 1:56 pm

Need to make foul shots

Comment by gc 01.12.13 @ 1:57 pm

Just no fight for rebounds today, Marquette looks like they want it more.

Comment by gc 01.12.13 @ 1:59 pm

As much as Marqette has lead this game if Pitt just shoots 65% from the line, we are up 6 now.

Comment by Dan 72 01.12.13 @ 1:59 pm

Go get the ball!!! 1 guy outhustles all 5 panthers many times

Comment by TonyC 01.12.13 @ 2:00 pm

Now that was just lucky

Comment by gc 01.12.13 @ 2:02 pm

and that was a travel not called by Blue

Comment by Pitt Dad 01.12.13 @ 2:02 pm

Watching Adams getting whipped by this fat ass is hilarious

Comment by TonyC 01.12.13 @ 2:03 pm

We never seem to rotate over when Adams comes out.Pitt without an offense rebound in the last 10 mninutes. Inexcusable

Comment by Dan 72 01.12.13 @ 2:03 pm

cannot win a big east game shooting under 40%

Good strategy. Send Pitt to the line

Comment by Pitt Dad 01.12.13 @ 2:04 pm

Make the shots

Comment by gc 01.12.13 @ 2:04 pm

50% won’t get it done

Comment by gc 01.12.13 @ 2:05 pm

Big break

Comment by gc 01.12.13 @ 2:05 pm

General rule for Pitt games – first to 60 wins

Comment by Pitt Dad 01.12.13 @ 2:06 pm

need a 3

Comment by gc 01.12.13 @ 2:07 pm

Patterson?!

Comment by CNorwoodAZ 01.12.13 @ 2:08 pm

Will we learn how to win?

Comment by gc 01.12.13 @ 2:10 pm

Holy shit

Comment by Pitt Dad 01.12.13 @ 2:10 pm

Lamar!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Comment by alcofan 01.12.13 @ 2:10 pm

Yesssssssssss.

Comment by Mailman 01.12.13 @ 2:10 pm

Killer T’s in the house.

Comment by CNorwoodAZ 01.12.13 @ 2:11 pm

Make the most of this in OT!

Comment by Lou 01.12.13 @ 2:11 pm

Home court advantage?

Comment by alcofan 01.12.13 @ 2:11 pm

Now we’re getting the BS calls going against us. BTW – general rule doesn’t apply to OT.

Comment by Pitt Dad 01.12.13 @ 2:17 pm

Any football recruits in the house?

Comment by gc 01.12.13 @ 2:17 pm

2 points in OT at home….pathetic….

Comment by Jackagain 01.12.13 @ 2:19 pm

game over

Comment by Kenny Powers 01.12.13 @ 2:19 pm

That probably does it, Moore should have stepped back for three

Comment by gc 01.12.13 @ 2:20 pm

10+ missed free throws at home. Just kill me

Comment by MikePITT 01.12.13 @ 2:20 pm

Every call has gone against Pitt in OT. This game will help us later in the season no matter what

Comment by Dan 72 01.12.13 @ 2:20 pm

Team after JD team, year after year, Pitt is one of the worst free throw shooting teams in the county. Today it cost them big!

Someone please help!!

Comment by Dan 72 01.12.13 @ 2:21 pm

Pitt cannot come back to win in games. To many missed free throws and no offense pattern.

Comment by Frank MD 01.12.13 @ 2:22 pm

I dunno Dan, I’m more of the theory that you learn a heck of a lot more by Winning than you do Losing. This isn’t Michigan they’re playing.

Comment by Kenny Powers 01.12.13 @ 2:22 pm

That and Pitt has no offensive sets…..they looks like a pickup team at the YMCA…

Comment by Jackagain 01.12.13 @ 2:23 pm

Pitt always gets out hustled by Marquette.

Comment by Frank MD 01.12.13 @ 2:24 pm

Baby steps

Comment by gc 01.12.13 @ 2:24 pm

13 of 26 FTs. Pathetic. Almost makes me long for the days when we were at least 60%

Comment by Kenny Powers 01.12.13 @ 2:27 pm

We can’t make a layout and everything Marquette throws up goes in.

Comment by MariettaMike 01.12.13 @ 2:28 pm

Now they start making shots?????

Comment by Pitt Dad 01.12.13 @ 2:29 pm

A lot to learn for this young team. Losing our point guard for the game did not help. Next to free throws, the disappearance of Zanna completely in the second half should cost him his starting role. Put anyone else in. He has no offense and is personally responsible for Marquette owning the offensive boards in the second half. His lack of help side defense when Adams is out of the paint is beyond annoying.

Comment by Dan 72 01.12.13 @ 2:29 pm

This team is really fragile. The usual 20 points from Woodall and Zanna were sorely missed. Need all the parts.

Comment by CNorwoodAZ 01.12.13 @ 2:29 pm

Two years of a lackluster product while Dixon makes big bucks. Going to ACC all but ensures Dixon will have 3 bad seasons in a row. No worries, no accountability or action as long as he is part of the worst run Div 1 program under Smug Steve.

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.12.13 @ 2:30 pm

Zanna absolutely stunk today but it’s only one game, not a trend.

Comment by Jackagain 01.12.13 @ 2:30 pm

0-2 at home, outoughed 32-26 on the boards. Free throw shooting ???

Comment by alcofan 01.12.13 @ 2:34 pm

If you truly learn from losing, Pitt should have a PhD in free throws.

Comment by Lou 01.12.13 @ 2:34 pm

Yes Upittbaseball. Fire Jamie. Tear down the Pete. In fact, I think it’s time to close down the entire University. We’re never going to win a championship in basketball or football so let’s face facts and turn everything over to UPMC.

Comment by Pitt Dad 01.12.13 @ 2:35 pm

Miller time.

Comment by frankarms 01.12.13 @ 2:35 pm

Zanna 1-9 shooting,5 rebounds.

Comment by alcofan 01.12.13 @ 2:36 pm

Zanna, Adams, Moore and Taylor = 16 points, 12 rebounds combined.

Comment by CNorwoodAZ 01.12.13 @ 2:38 pm

Pitt Dad…. Peterson breeds mediocrity for all. I guess you have tasted that kool aid as well. 2 bad years and even the good years he never got us close. Crown him if you want I’d take either Miller brother over Dixon.

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.12.13 @ 2:38 pm

On the FT front….and we have had this discussion many times with EMel and Dr.Tom leading the way. Practicing free throws with bad (awful) form and balance is like practicing a bad golf swing over and over…all you do is reenforce the bad habits. Then in the game, when your legs are gone and your arms are tired, you have trouble just hitting the rim.

Get any ‘shot doctor” to visit Pitt and change the form on: Adams, Zeigler, Zanna (the worst form on the team), et al.

Gutty comeback on what should have been a nice win. Pitt was not the better team on the floor.

Comment by Dan 72 01.12.13 @ 2:40 pm

9 points from the 4 position is the reason we lost. We get 8 3’s, +2 in TO’s and 8 blocks and still lose…ridiculous…

Looks like an NIT team…which is an improvement over last year BTW…

Comment by Jackagain 01.12.13 @ 2:41 pm

I’m not crowning anybody and I’ve never had Kool Aid in my life. I’m just saying that its ludicrous to call Pitt basketball mediocre and I’m recalling all the gnashing of teeth and rending of garments on this blog by people terrified of every Jamie Dixon to (insert name of school here) rumor over the past 5 years.

Comment by Pitt Dad 01.12.13 @ 2:42 pm

As as much as no one wants to admit it, Tray Woodall is our best and most important player.

Comment by CNorwoodAZ 01.12.13 @ 2:44 pm

Well they scored 60 but still lost, a very frustrating loss, FT shooting and rebounding problems

I was expecting a better effort.

Comment by WLAT and The Big Beat 01.12.13 @ 2:44 pm

it is miller time

Comment by FRANKCAN 01.12.13 @ 2:45 pm

SSSHHHH…..FFFOOOOFFFF.
Blowing off some steam……yech!

In our own building we shoot less than 40% from the field and a horrible 50% from the line against
a not so great team.

Yes, Tray was out, so what. If he is the only player we have on the court it is time to get our
bullet proof vests ready for next year when we enter the ACC minus the kid from Noo Yawk.

The foul shooting problem has been going on for too many years…DON”T tell me that foul shooting technique can’t be taught. I know that Dan said the same thing that I am echoing from last year.
COACHING//COACHING
SSSHHHH………….FFFOOOOFFFF
I am blowing a gasket.

Comment by isnore 01.12.13 @ 2:46 pm

Over the last 5 years we have been pretty good. Starting last year and continuing this year and especially next year I’m troubled. Free throws, coaching, bad recruiting, etc. I’m saying we are below average… We are not mediocre at this point. The other teams are getting better and we are heading the other way.

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.12.13 @ 2:48 pm

@pittdad

if pitt basketball isn’t “mediocre” what is it? great? premiere??. ok, let’s not use the word mediocre, how about average? (below)

Comment by goalie44 01.12.13 @ 2:48 pm

@goalie44 – before I answer your question, against what cohort would you like me to evaluate Pitt – all D1 teams? All BE teams? BE + ACC?

Comment by Pitt Dad 01.12.13 @ 2:50 pm

Dixon is paid way to much for these results.

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.12.13 @ 2:53 pm

evaluate the team based on final appearences, final fours and all the could of should of losses in the tournaments. last I checked we are and were bottom dwellers in the big east. If you want to include all of the cupcake teams we beat in non-con play, feel free.

Comment by goalie44 01.12.13 @ 2:54 pm

Pitt is slightly above average as a D1 team, and poor to mediocre as a BE/ACC team…that is they’ll wind as as bottom dwellers in the BE this year and middle of the pack (if Adams comes back) in the ACC.

If Adams leaves, Pitt will be in the bottom 1/3 in the ACC next year.

link to espn.go.com

That’s with 2 home games folks…

Comment by Jackagain 01.12.13 @ 2:55 pm

CBI bound! 0-2 big east at home baby. ACC will MURDER us

Comment by TonyC 01.12.13 @ 2:56 pm

I’m sorry, maybe I’m not a basketball buff but I think Adams is a disaster. Comes back? What nba team would want a kid 7 ft or bigger that has zero toughness and scores 4 points a game? The kid may get good but its going to take 3 to 4 years.

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.12.13 @ 2:58 pm

Wow. That’s your criterion? The 95% of all teams are mediocre. I should follow Churchill’s example.

Comment by Pitt Dad 01.12.13 @ 3:01 pm

Not trying to make excuses, but can we keep a little perspective? 4 of the 8 guys that played significant minutes today were not on the team last year. Half our team today played their first D1 basketball game EVER two months ago.

Even if we made one or two more 3’s against rutgers or 3 or four more FTs today, we are still an average, young, inexperienced 15-1, top 20 team that would struggle against anyone in the top 10.

Comment by CNorwoodAZ 01.12.13 @ 3:03 pm

NBA scouts are drooling over Adams already. He does not get pushed around inside….he’s fast and athletic too….and strong at 19 years of age.

All he has to do is work on an inside shot or 2.

Comment by Jackagain 01.12.13 @ 3:03 pm

yes, that’s my criterion. the only difference is i guess, is that i recognize that fact and don’t believe we are some great basketball powerhouse.

Comment by goalie44 01.12.13 @ 3:05 pm

Good teams win close games, bad teams do not…..especially inexcusable at home. Marquette has won all their close games.

Now we have JD being out-coached by Curley Howard :-)

Comment by Jackagain 01.12.13 @ 3:05 pm

I don’t believe anyone on here, including me, would describe Pitt these days as a basketball powerhouse but there’s still no reason, yet, to abandon ship. If some posters on this site were Fletcher Christian, the mutiny would have happened while the ship was still in Spithead.

Comment by Pitt Dad 01.12.13 @ 3:10 pm

PittDad….does that mean we can keelhaul JD and his assistants?…Pederson maybe? :-)

Comment by Jackagain 01.12.13 @ 3:13 pm

Not JD. Do what you like to SP. But my comment was directed at posters who are ready without truly convincing cause to relieve Jamie of his command.

Comment by Pitt Dad 01.12.13 @ 3:14 pm

how would you describe them?? they aren’t good, or they wouldn’t be at the bottom of the be for the past two years. recent success?? well maybe, there have been some tourney wins, be and ncaa. but 5,10, twenty years from now is that going to mean much without some real inroads? hell, duquesne was a powerhouse in 50’s but that is not getting them anywhere today. I’m not ready to jump ship yet, but I am looking for my life-preserver..haha

Comment by goalie44 01.12.13 @ 3:15 pm

Women and children first…but save room for me…

Comment by Jackagain 01.12.13 @ 3:17 pm

amen jackagain!!

Comment by goalie44 01.12.13 @ 3:18 pm

I will say that JDs coaching/recruiting philosophy is being put to the test not having three for four tough, experienced, overachieving upperclassmen like he’s used to having. Also, I think he’s tried to adapt recruiting wise, but missed badly two or three years ago. And the result is 3 Freshman and a transfer playing significant minutes.

I think this season will be better than last year (NIT), but if this ship is not righted next season, he’s on thin ice.

Comment by CNorwoodAZ 01.12.13 @ 3:20 pm

I said it before and I’ll say it again, if Pitt can’t make their free throws they will never be a contender in any conference.

One does not have to have playing experience to make free throws. No excuse for anyone. Pitt needs to work on the simplistic but most important part of their game, free throws.

Comment by MariettaMike 01.12.13 @ 3:24 pm

This team does get pushed around a lot and that starts with the bigs. Both home losses now, they lost in large part because they were the less aggressive team. Well, that and free throws. And our guards are not quick enough on D. And our bigs are offensively challenged, and…

I’m really starting to miss our scrap heap teams from 10 years ago. If this is what top 100 recruits look like, I don’t want anymore.

Comment by Iron Duke 01.12.13 @ 3:27 pm

Give me 5 kids from NY playgrounds (preferably ones who can make FTs) over some random rater’s *** and **** players any day.

Comment by Pitt Dad 01.12.13 @ 3:29 pm

Until Adams can be physical and tough…..haven’t seen yet….and score more than 8 points a game. Embarrassing for a 7 footer…… I’m not buying him. As far as Jamie and his team is young etc, that’s no excuse, he recruits and should never get into a system or rut where it’s a really young team. Juno kids, etc. he is to blame for his team he makes all decisions and calls. By the way, at least Pitt football puts kids in the pros….. Way basketball players are in the nba? Gray and young maybe?

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.12.13 @ 3:35 pm

You don’t like James Robinson Duke? You’ve given up on Adams after only 15 games? They are the only two top 100 on the squad.

Comment by CNorwoodAZ 01.12.13 @ 3:35 pm

Sorry, Zeigler also.

Comment by CNorwoodAZ 01.12.13 @ 3:37 pm

UPitt, completely agree on the recruiting with Dixon. This is all on him. He does not have the excuse that Paul Chryst has (revolving door). He’s failed mightily in recruiting the last three years. I think that has changed this year with Robinsom, Adams and Durand and hopefully with the 2013 class.

As I mentioned JDix’s coaching style and philosophy will be tested next year when he has 8 experienced players coming back and a good mix of young and old again.

If the team struggles next year, I think we can assume that our limited success was the mix of “scrap heap” overachieving players he’s had over the past 10 years and not his coaching abilities.

I think this team is significantly better than it played today, but this particular squad needs to have everyone play almost perfectly to have success and that is not going to be easy game in and game out. If we have the wild swings like between GTown and today in a month, I will be concerned also.

Comment by CNorwoodAZ 01.12.13 @ 3:52 pm

I’ve liked Dixon, last year was horrible, and this year looks a little questionable.

There are 351 Division I basketball teams. Yes, 351 !!!

I’m not the happiest after todays game either.

With that being said…………….

JD 12-13………13-4………..?????
JD 11-12………22-17……….NO TOURNEY
JD 10-11………28-6……..BE CHAMP….NCAA’S
JD 09-10………25-9………………..NCAA’S
JD 08-09………31-5………………..NCAA’S
JD 07-08………27-10…….BE CHAMP….NCAA’S
JD 06-07………29-8………………..NCAA’S
JD 05-06………25-8………………..NCAA’S
JD 04-05………20-9………………..NCAA’S
JD 03-04………31-5……..BE CHAMP….NCAA’S

That’s mediocre???? Really, that’s your definition of mediocre???

One bad year, and a somewhat rocky start this year, and we’re firing the coach for

“mediocrity”?????

Took Jim Boeheim 23 years to get a NC.

You do realize, the overwhelming majority of college basketball teams, have never won a NC, and probably never will. You do realize this don’t you???

I have no crown for him. But, we’re gonna fire a guy after one bad season??????????

Hey, I may be with you in a year or two, if he puts 3 bad years together????

We just won the outright BE Championship not more than 2 years ago with a 28-6 record in the toughest conference in the country, and now, we’re firing him???

I’d even say, you’re being generous with mediocre with last years season, it was actually LOUSY, not mediocre.

But, we’re not gonna look at his overall record, just the last season and beginning of this one???

Interesting.

Comment by Dan 01.12.13 @ 3:56 pm

Foul shooting, foul shooting, foul shooting.

Plus we weren’t lucky, they were.

It can only get better.

Comment by steve1 01.12.13 @ 4:01 pm

Here’s another one for you…………

Say, you get your wish, and they fire him.

1. Has anyone spoken to Sean Miller. Do you know for a fact that Sean Miller would even sniff at coming back here. Looks to me like he’s set up like a king in Arizona.

2. Can you guarantee me that Sean Miller will be successful here???

I mean, if you bring him back, I don’t want any excuses…………..I want final fours every year with 31-5 records every year. You’re gonna guarantee me that???

With what?? Ya, he’s had some success.

Lot’s of coaches have some success for a few years.

I like Sean Miller, he’s a Pitt hero.

Again, if someone has personal info that Sean Miller wants to come back, is dying to come back, his goal in life is to get back to Pitt, then let us know.

I personally haven’t heard that.

3.

Comment by Dan 01.12.13 @ 4:04 pm

woody, if this team hustled more, won more of the 50/50 battles for rebounds, loose balls, etc. and displayed the heart and toughness pitt hoops used to be known for, this wouldn’t be the case: “but this particular squad needs to have everyone play almost perfectly to have success and that is not going to be easy game in and game out.”

Comment by scott 01.12.13 @ 4:11 pm

Dan,
speaking for myself, my frustration lies with the fact that this team has never been to the final four. with all of the hype and promise. even wvu has seen a final four.. The book on pitt is great regular season, disappointment in the tournament. question? with the kind of success you mentioned above what team would you compare them too? syracuse? georgetown? louiville? uconm? butler? all have experienced greater things. I don’t know whether we should fire dixon..but the longer we are bottom dwellers in any conference, or continue go nowhere in the tournament the luster of previous achievements fade away.

Comment by goalie44 01.12.13 @ 4:13 pm

Oy Vey,

Whaaaaa happened. Since we absolutely destroyed Georgetown, who btw put a beatdown on St.John’s at MSG today. You just had to follow up that big road victory with a win at home against a team that lost to Wisconsin-Green Bay.

Losing Woodie hurt, no doubt, but that had no effect on the rest of the team shooting so poorly from the FT line (50%) and FG’s (39%) and if not for Patterson getting hot(out of the blue), this game would have been a rout.

Again not much if anything from the 5 spot, Adams & Sleepy combined netted 7 points and 6 rebounds.
Pathetic. Combine that with the 3 points & 5 rebounds from the 4 spot(Zanna), and that is the definition of “soft”.

Lost all the momentum we got from the big victory over G-Town, and not a very good way to start a ‘softer’ part of the schedule. Now at 1-3 in the BE and really need to go 4-0 in the next four games, before schedule gets exponentially tougher.

Why is this program trending downward, when we’re just about to enter the ACC ?

Well for one, way too many recruiting misses in the last couple years. Too many to list here.

My head is aching. Need a stiff drink ! :-(

Comment by EMel 01.12.13 @ 4:16 pm

Some perspective for the youngin’s………

RW 98-99…………14-16…….NO NUTHIN’….
RW 97-98…………11-16…….NO NUTHIN’….
RW 96-97…………18-15…….NO NUTHIN’….
RW 95-96…………10-17…….NO NUTHIN’….
RW 94-95…………10-18…….NO NUTHIN’….
PE 93-94…………13-14…….NO NUTHIN’….
PE 92-93…………17-11…….NCAA’S
PE 91-92…………18-16…….NO NUTHIN’….

Not arguing with you that are upset, I’m upset too!!! Not happy with the game today.

However, an old cliche’ may be wise………….

“careful what you wish for”.

This season turns out to be a clunker, and next year too, then I’ll be right there with you.

Right now????? Huh???? C’mon!!!

Comment by Dan 01.12.13 @ 4:16 pm

good thing we have stevie p. to make all of those tough decisions!!

Comment by goalie44 01.12.13 @ 4:19 pm

@ Dan — I don’t see Pitt replacing Dixon anytime soon. He is a very competent coach. That said, it’s on him to improve Pitt’s free throw percentage. If Pitt is practicing their free throws Jamie needs to try something else to improve their free throw percentage. It’s inexcusable for a team to shoot under 70% at the FT line. Pitt is no where near 70% this year and it cost them two games thus far this year.

Comment by MariettaMike 01.12.13 @ 4:19 pm

Forget free throws. They lost because they got out rebounded and they shot less than 40% from the floor. Have to make baskets to win.

I don’t get the Adams hate. This is a very talented kid who is an asset when he’s on the floor. No question his offense is weak, but he’s learning and will be better.

Face it, patterson, zanna and moore need to play well/score if pitt is going to win. Zanna was terrible today, and it cost them.

Comment by velvil 01.12.13 @ 4:21 pm

I agree Scott, but what previous Pitt squads that played with heart and toughness had three freshman playing significant minutes? I’d say none. That toughness always came through getting banged around in practice against hard nosed upperclassman leaders for two years and then the fruits of the labor were on display junior and senior years. Who is teaching Steve Adams toughness and heart by hitting him in mouth in practice every day? Tray Woodall?

Comment by CNorwoodAZ 01.12.13 @ 4:24 pm

@goalie, just read yours, I must have been typing.

Hey, I understand, I’m frustrated too.

Shoulda, woulda, coulda of course, but, anyone being honest with themselves, knows for a fact, we were one incredible play (Villanova guy’s name escapes me now) from being in the final four.

Hell, we may have won it all that year with that group. That wasn’t coaching, that was, son of a bitch, I’d knew it’d come back to haunt me, Scottie effin’ Reynolds making a great play.

Hey, I’d like to take the next step too.

I just think we’ve had a hell of a run, a run many teams in the country could only ever hope to have.

Ya, we haven’t gotten the final four. I don’t know the answer. Is it the coach.

Can’t just bring another name in. You’d have to bring a powerhouse coach in.

How many of those are there?? Any of them gonna leave their present position to come to Pitt???

Would Pitt ever pay?? ha ha Has Pitt ever payed?? Dixon has nice money, but, I mean big-time powerhouse money???

I think we all know the answer to that.

I guess Jamie just has a little more credibility with me built up, at least for another year or so.

Comment by Dan 01.12.13 @ 4:24 pm

Forget FT’s? If Pitt would have made their FT’s they would have won this game outright. Period.

Comment by MariettaMike 01.12.13 @ 4:30 pm

@Marietta, hey, free throws, we’re all baffled. For years!!!

I always wondered why they don’t bring a “free throw” guro in to help.

Heard Dixon on 93.7 just a couple weeks ago, a fan asked him that. They’re not allowed.

The players can pay for that during the summer, on their own, but the teams cannot bring someone in.

Learn something new, I always thought they could. I thought I’ve heard story’s of one coach bringing in another coach to show him how his offense or defense works, I’m sure I have, but, there must be all kinds of rules for different things. Cannot bring in a free throw coach at the university for the team.

I don’t know, we all cringe don’t we. There has got to be a way, something, someone.

He also said, he’s had them taking 500 free throws in practice. Checking their form on tape, etc. etc.

Frustrating to say the least. Really frustrating.

Comment by Dan 01.12.13 @ 4:31 pm

I should say, a “free throw specialist”. I guess you could certainly hire an assistant, that is proficient in the teaching of it.

Just can’t bring in guy from the outside, to say, spend a week with the kids to work with the kids.

Comment by Dan 01.12.13 @ 4:34 pm

M 23-30

P 13-26

Forget free throws my ass. If we would have shot 77% like Marquette did, we’d have had 7 more points and guess what?

Comment by steve1 01.12.13 @ 4:34 pm

@dan,

I completely agree with you there are more questions than answers with a coaching change with this administration…the stats above were for NC right? telling indeed and your right about “careful what you wish for”. I guess for me it would be easier to live with down turns, if I experienced the highs of the finals every once in a while. As you pointed out before, there are a TON of schools out there and it’s very difficult to go all the way, but looking at the stats you provided, shouln’d the basketball gods looked down on us just once?

Comment by goalie44 01.12.13 @ 4:35 pm

I was hoping they learned to play physical and work for every rebound and loose ball. It seemed like Marquette wanted it more. The shots were not dropping and they forced a lot of bad ones.

Marquette has three senior starters and have won some close games. Pitt needs to learn how to win the close ones. Robinson is learning under fire, he played well even after losing Woodall. Zanna had his worst game in a while. Moore too.

All is not lost. Johnson is getting better, I liked the way he took it to the hoop, we need a whole lot more of that.

The 3’s were dropping for Marquette in the first half. Fifty percent foul shooting has be corrected , if we don’t make them pay they will foul us all day long.

Patterson may be coming out of his funk. Too bad his 3 didn’t go down in overtime, it may have made a difference.

Comment by gc 01.12.13 @ 4:46 pm

I was wondering when Woodie graduates, who do we have waiting in the wings to play 2 guard.

Aaaaaaaaaaaa.

Nobody.

And since JR isn’t a real good shooter, just who is going to keep the defense honest. As far as from the 1 & 2 spots.

Also the kid he recruited, the Josh Newkirk is a PG, not a 2G. Zeigler has been a bust and even if he starts playing better, he’s not a 3 point shooter, more a slasher/driver and this year a turnover machine and a liability on defense.

There’s been some major recruiting gaffes and in basketball, you can fall from the heights real quick, with either a poor plan to address your needs or gaffes on player personnel (asst’s who can’t recruit doesn’t help either).

But hey nevermind, everything we’ll be just fine.

Comment by EMel 01.12.13 @ 4:50 pm

Pitt teams continue to lack “that guy” they can count on when things get tough. Basketball is the one team sport where having a go to guy, star, whatever you want to call it really matters. Adams may be that guy in the future but the team doesn’t have one at this time.

Comment by Pittastic 01.12.13 @ 4:56 pm

I taught free throw shooting for 7 years. I would be more than happy to offer my services for free and as a Pitt grad it would not be illegal. Just another student manager.

Comment by Dan 72 01.12.13 @ 4:58 pm

goalie44, IMO, we only had one legit team that was good enough for a final four and they missed by the smallest of margins.

The difference last year and this year is that we have no defensive toughness. There are no shutdown guys like Wanamaker, Dixon, Jaron Brown to name a few. Teams get too many easy baskets on us. I think we are getting better but it’s a process. In the past, if we were close at the end or in overtime the d took over.

Comment by gc 01.12.13 @ 4:58 pm

Dan 72, you’re hired, no resume needed. Report to the Pete immediately.

Comment by steve1 01.12.13 @ 5:13 pm

Someone who knows more than I do…please tell me there’s hope.

Comment by panther94 01.12.13 @ 5:15 pm

There’s hope. Adams will only get stronger and better. Durand Johnson will add value. James Robinson is solid, but tired today.

And Trey will recover.

Comment by steve1 01.12.13 @ 5:18 pm

Pitt has a good team this year. I believe they will make it to the Big Dance. We’ll see how they play next week.

H2P

Comment by MariettaMike 01.12.13 @ 5:25 pm

Fellow fans, let’s not take this game for more than it is….a learning experience. Look, we lost our 2 guard and senior play for the game early. Even with that and playing an experienced team who has won 5 close games late, we hung in there and got it into OT. Durrand Johnson will be huge later on, love Robinson at the point. Zanna needs to be replaced in the starting line up, bring him in off the bench.

Jamie is a terrific coach. Let’s give hime the time to develop this team. We have 5 new players.
Also, I believe Ziegler will be a better player. He is going to class, hitting AA meetings and has just transferred into Pitt after his dad was fired. It has not been an easy transition so let’s give him a bit of time. I think, in the long run, he will help this team as much or more than Durrand Johnson.

Last, we play Villanova next. They are “Marquette light”. We have today’s experience to beat them.
No more excuses.

Comment by Dan 72 01.12.13 @ 6:20 pm

Well said Dan72

Comment by Pitt Is IT 01.12.13 @ 6:56 pm

Should of kept j. j. and not t.z.

Comment by frankarms 01.12.13 @ 6:57 pm

Not to be overtly negative, just stating the facts as I see them.

With Jamie’s system, it has been bring kids slowly around, depend on your upperclassmen that have been in the SYSTEM for a few years. Freshmen don’t play much or indeed they’re redshirted unless exceptional or there is an extreme need. (Taft, Fields, Blair, Adams, JR come to mind)

DeJuan was one of the exceptions and maybe since he played at Schenley HS, on Pitt’s campus basically, he was able to play with some of Pitt’s players in the summertime, so he knew the system. Plus he was just special imo.

Now, this year, we’re veering off the SYSTEM bigtime, we have 2 (two) true freshmen starting for PITT. As far as I can remember that never happened in the Dixon/Howland era. And a 3rd, (redshirt freshmen) Durand Durand is starting to get more minutes as Coach is looking for anyone that can shoot and make a few.

While the two true freshmen are talented, in this system it takes several seasons to fully reach or come close to your talent potential (see Sam Young & Aaron Gray as best examples).

So what we’re seeing is kids that would normally be brought along slowly playing minimal minutes or possibly redshirted, instead be in the starting lineup, playing lots of minutes…. BECAUSE WE HAVE NOBODY ELSE. Or the alternative is a lot worse (see last year).

And that imo is why this team is so inconsistent.

So, what we need to do now, looking forward, is follow up last year’s excellent recruiting class with 2-3 excellent years in a row. We have to basically reload. There can not be a near total wipeout of a recruiting class as just happened.

Truth is, Jamie’s system takes to long to learn for the Top players who want to come in for 1 or 2 years and be on their way.

So you either have 2 options:
1) change the system
2) go back to recruiting 2 & 3 star kids (not Top 150 players) that you take a flyer on and that will be in system for 4-5 years. Those type kids are more willing to play tough defense, for the most part, and they’ll be around enough to transform them (see Wannamaker, J. Brown & McGhee)

Anyway, (have a good nite my Panther Brothers)

Hail to Pitt !
Veritas et Virtus
GRP !

Comment by EMel 01.12.13 @ 7:28 pm

Ha ha. Thanks for saying in 7 paragraphs what I said in 2 earlier Emel. Lol. Agreed.

Comment by Cnorwoodaz 01.12.13 @ 7:38 pm

In the past other schools were always trying to grab our assistants. Don’t have that problem with this group. Assistants that can’t coach or recruit are not in demand. Dixon better get some better help sitting next to him quick or were in big trouble. Recruiting is not good enough right now.

Comment by Wayne 01.12.13 @ 7:40 pm

Manning folds like a cheap suit.

Comment by alcofan 01.12.13 @ 8:48 pm

Goalie, ya, brother, you would have thought they would have looked down on us by now. Ugh!!!

Well, by your name, you’re a hockey fan, we got the Pens back!!!

Funny, a few radio people try to make it like the fans will be mad.

Ya, I guess a couple will, and that’s their right.

I myself think it’s just about perfect. 82 games is too long. 60 would be about right.

Once they start next week, we’ll be right in the thick of it, then the playoffs, I’m pumped up!!!

Baseball could due with about 120 games instead of 162 or whatever.

I know it’s money, they’ll never change, but seasons way too long, too many games meaningless.

Well, they’ve been meaningless in PGH for 20 years I guess, but, baseball in general.

Anyhow, I’ve recovered from the game today, hopefully we’ll get going.

I still think we have a chance to have a very good season and get to the tourney.

Time will tell.

Broncos Ravens, hell of a game!!!

Comment by Dan 01.12.13 @ 9:11 pm

Emel well said as usual.. but the systme is an easy one…1-4 offense against man / triangle against the zone, man d and 2-3 zone d. It’s not learning it (brain surgery), it is being able to do it without thinking, make adjustments on the move (like Zanna all day forgetting that when Adams moves out to hedge or goes to the high post, he has to rotate to the bottom of the key). Marquette got many easy baskets and rebounds from Zanna’s inablility to adjust. He does not appear to be the brightest bulb in the ceiling as I listened to JDixon school him on the sideline several times on that point. Zanna is still a thinker and not a reactor.

I know I will get an arguement, but I tell you all that Pitt will learn more from this loss than any easy win (like G’town). Let’s see if they can apply it next game vs Nova.

Here in B’more land they are partying heavy tonight after one of the best football games I have ever seen. May rank second in playoff greatness to the Immaculate Reception.

Comment by Dan 72 01.12.13 @ 11:54 pm

It was a dissappointing loss. Marquette is good athletic team and I don’t think any of us expected a win. The toughgest part for me, is how Pitt hung in there, when I thought the game was over, and then took the game into overtime. You would think after Lamar Patterson hit the 3 point shot to take the game into overtime, that Marquette would have been demoralized. The Panthers were at home and it was a golden opportunity for the them. The table was set, and they needed to finish. I don’t think they are a bad team, but they have a way to go before they are a good one. Pitt is 1-3 in Big East play. It’s gut check time. Either they find a way to FINISH their games, or the season will quickly slip away from them.

Comment by Justinian 01.13.13 @ 7:28 am

The sad part is that they could easily be 3-1, instead of 1-3, if they shoot their foul shots, as well as a girls high school team.

Comment by Justinian 01.13.13 @ 7:38 am

No leadership including from the coach. All must gut check. I just don’t think they have them. I actually enjoyed watching football over basketball this year. Boy has Pitt basketball gone down hill and fast.

Comment by TX Panther 01.13.13 @ 8:09 am

When you can’t win at home to middle of the road teams, you have a major problem. So much for the Pete being a tough place to play. I don’t want to sound overly pessimistic but I truly don’t see an individual on this team capable of stepping up and leading. I know Jamie has not forgotten how to coach and I know he is slowly adapting. My biggest criticism is his recruiting. He needs to recruit better athletes. The ACC is far more athletic than the Big East. Some big bruzers are fine but we need better guards. I like Robinson but he’s a frosh. He has leadership potential and mental toughness but he’s not going to wow you with his athleticism. Pitt needs some big guys with toughness but also better hands and are not afraid to shoot. Maybe the new guys coming in next year are the answer. Why is it so hard to land elite players at Pitt. Basketball should find it far easier than football. Maybe Chryst can help Jamie recruit some guys.

Comment by TX Panther 01.13.13 @ 8:44 am

Agree on leadership (lack thereof) and lack of toughness.

This team is no where near aggressive enough.

What came thru loud and clear yesterday was that the half court offense isn’t working and it is contributing to the overall passivity of the team. It takes 5-7 seconds to get the ball over half court, then they throw it around the perimeter (with no threat to go to the hoop) for another 15-20 seconds, then they aggressively look for a shot. They need to drive to hoop sooner AND go inside sooner. But mostly start looking for shots sooner.

Marquette runs a deliberate offense, but with every pass they are forcing the defense to actually defend.

Johnson and Wright are getting PT because they are aggressive and trying to make something happen. Jamie has to figure out how to get Moore more minutes. He can be aggressive in spots too.

Despite his career high in points and his clutch three, I would reduce Patterson’s minutes. He is a big part of the lack of motor on this team.

Comment by Boubacar Aw 01.13.13 @ 9:03 am

If Patterson would just look to take it to the hoop more, he would be much more effective. He can stroke it, his defense is acceptable, and he can distribute the ball. Just needs to be more aggressive. Whole team needs to be. Cam Wright is by far the most aggressive player on this team. I have been really impressed by him. He’s made tremendous strides.

Moore has got to be more creative. He needs to learn the pump fake and the drive. He settles for too many jump shots. He had the minutes yesterday and did not do enough.

This team needs Zanna to perform at a high level or they are not going anywhere. They need his rebounding and short game around the hoop. Neither was there yesterday and it really hurt us.

That, and the FT shooting. The poor performance from the charity stripe is just unacceptable. I don’t get it.

Even without Woodall, if they make FTs and get some rebounds, they win that game yesterday.

Comment by Carmen 01.13.13 @ 9:41 am

Emel, Norwood, you are on track. That “toughness’ element that Pitt teams were known for over the past decade was almost genetically handed down from one class to another. For whatever reason, it has skipped this generation. Robinson, Adams still learning, but who of the uppers is going to teach it to them?

Eh, guess I just bought into the hype of Adams too much, and thought all the ills from last year would be cured by him, and to a lesser extent, Ziegler who I envisioned as the next Wannamaker. Rather, this team is going to grow with Adams, as long as he is here, and Ziegler just looks unsure of his role. Reality is, we’re still in the midst of rebuilding, and the players who we struggled with last year still play significant roles and are what they are. I guess what we hope for this year is improvement between now and March.

Comment by Iron Duke 01.13.13 @ 10:28 am

When Cincy, Rut and Marq start by hitting easy 3s at the start of the game then Pitt is not ready to play. Pitt needs to come out hard like at Geo and not have to fight back the whole game to win.

BE teams come out hard and fast. Pitt needs to step up quick.

Comment by Frank MD 01.13.13 @ 10:49 am

News for ya fellas, ain’t a rebuilding year! More upper classmen on this team then most in NCAA. Of course, unlike every other program in the country they redshirt several years…. Maybe just aren’t D-1 players to begin with???

Comment by Punxy Panther 01.13.13 @ 12:22 pm

This team has talent so it’s definitely not a rebuilding year. In fact, there aren’t many differences from this team compared to the successful teams of the past. Toughness, which has been mentioned quite a bit, and passing (touch) in the front court are the glaring weaknesses.

I’ve been happy with the guards and they’ve performed well enough to win. Zanna, despite the season he is having, still has brick hands. The same goes for Taylor and Adams. Catching the ball does not come naturally to them and they are all poor passers.

Pitt’s never been overly big up front but they made up for it by being able to catch and pass with ease. These traits are fundamentally missing in our front court now and the biggest reason for the struggles.

Get back to recruiting kids who can catch and pass despite the stars. That doesn’t mean recruit someone 4 inches too short like Robinson but he did possess the skill set that was needed to be successful in Pitt’s program … his lack of height at the position was just too detrimental to overcome.

Comment by Tossing Thabeets 01.13.13 @ 1:24 pm

Terrish Webb just committed, that makes 3 from Clairton.

Comment by markp 01.13.13 @ 1:35 pm

We have an outstanding coach.

Bad break for Woodall
Poor free throw shooting
I like Robinson however he
dribbles too much
Adams has to demand the ball too
passive so far
This team will get better as the season
progresses

Comment by JR 01.13.13 @ 1:42 pm

Some football news:

Webb is a Panther.

Comment by isnore 01.13.13 @ 2:01 pm

In the off season, my high school basketball coach had us shoot 100 free throws a day. In the season we shot nearly 75% as a team. It’s no secret how to get better. When I see college or pro teams shooting between 60%-70%, I just shake my head. practice, practice, practice

Comment by gdodson 01.13.13 @ 2:14 pm

Buzz Williams says, “Good teams find a way to win”, I guess were not good now.

Comment by alcofan 01.13.13 @ 2:44 pm

The big advantage we should have had yesterday against Marquette (as they always have better guards than us) was on the inside. Let’s take a look:
Sleepy 3 points 0 rebounds
Zanna 3 points 5 rebounds
Adams 4 points 6 rebounds

Combined production from the 4 & 5 spots

10 points 11 rebounds.

There my friends lies the answer and the problem with this team (for the most part). These 3 ALL play significantly better in transition. They are all soft and are minimally effective in the halfcourt offense.

Score of note: Cinci 68
@ Rutgers 58

Cinci came out early and put the hurt on RU, as it was 27-15 at halftime at the RAC. Both Cuse & Cinci beatdown RU quickly. RU came out against us and immediately got ahead 15-5. Game over
Other than the G-town game, where the Hoyas couldn’t hit the broad side of a barn, we have not come out with guns blazing. Something is amiss.
This team isn’t ready to play at the beginning of games. Even in the weak non-con against some terrible teams, they were not able to get a substantial lead in many of those games in the first half and even trailed in some. Against lame competition. Again other than the G-Town game and maybe a few other as exceptions, they seem to come out very tentative, not sure of themselves.

They are under pressure more to win at home, and it’s becoming obvious this team doesn’t play particularly well when it feels any pressure.

Don’t know how this is cured since the team is made up of mostly as the same lot as last year. And the new players are not scoring enough points to make much of a difference. While we did get an unexpected 10 points from Durand Durand yesterday, that was more than offset with the near goose egg
by Zanna (3 points) who is the team’s leading scorer.

This team is like a ‘box of chocolates’.

Comment by Emel 01.13.13 @ 4:57 pm

Here’s piece in Cardiac hill about Terrish Webb committing to Pitt.

link to cardiachill.com

Welcome to Terrish Webb, we’re glad to see you sign on. Best to luck to the Clairton Bears as new Pitt Panthers.

Comment by Justinian 01.13.13 @ 5:37 pm

Just meet Ray Graham and Ryan Turnley at shriners hospital very nice they both took time out to talk and sign autographs for my kids! I also talked to the punter from Arizona St. and asked him about Fraud Graham and he said they wasnt too happy with him being their coach.

Comment by FLPOLE 01.13.13 @ 6:12 pm

Good news indeed. Welcome Terrish. H2P!

Any chance those stickers come back for the helmets? My understanding is that players got them for good play but does anyone know more about them. Such as…what specifically did a player have to do to earn one, was there a max number per game, did the player place them on the helmet, any guidelines on the placement, what did they look like, did the design change from year to year, what former Pitt player had the most?

I always loved dem stickers and the script but I’m just a big ole redneck from Texass.

Comment by TX Panther 01.13.13 @ 7:04 pm

Tx panther… Give me your email address.

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.13.13 @ 7:57 pm

Sorry, but it IS a rebuilding year, because this team seems unlikely to achieve what is expected now of Pitt teams. There are only 2 seniors in the 10 man rotation, and 3 freshman – 2 of which are playing significant roles, and who clearly are struggling now but have the highest ceiling of anyone on the team. Lets put it this way: if they are NOT rebuilding, then…what? Treading water? Getting worse? Rebuilding is an optimistic perspective. It means, we will eventually improve.

Comment by Iron Duke 01.13.13 @ 8:18 pm

Same here TX Panther, would love to meet up for a Bball game or something. I’m in Fort Worth.

Comment by tedsptman 01.13.13 @ 8:41 pm

Ted….I’m in Keller.

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.13.13 @ 8:51 pm

Here’s an idea… how about we authorize a feasibility study to judge the cost of tearing down “The Pete” and building a new state-of-the-art Pitt Stadium.

Pitt Basketball can play its games at the Consol.

Wait a minute. Hold the bus. An off-campus facility would never work.

Think of all the inconvenience for students having to make their way down and up Fifth Avenue for games.

Comment by PittofDreams 01.13.13 @ 9:02 pm

Pitt of Dreams – Love your philosophy. I would do anything to have our own campus staduim. Even visit the Pete for the first time to give some free throw lessons!

Comment by Dan 72 01.13.13 @ 9:51 pm

I’m at mandra@santanderauto.com

Would love to meet up with anyone in DFW. I know there’s a Dallas Pitt Club and they meet every once in a while for games. They just haven’t learned to meet in a central location like Arlington. Addison seems to be their watering hole of choice. Too far for me being that I live in Mansfield.

Who is working on that feasibility study again for the new on campus football stadium between Frick and Katz and down to the Hollow? CompLit?

Comment by TX Panther 01.13.13 @ 9:55 pm

Some last thoughts on losing…and Saturday. Michigan lost today, Duke Saturday. There are no undefeated teams.

You will have to give me some poetic license when I tell you that teams learn more from losing…and yes, I loved the comment “that Pitt players should have their PHD.”

These quotes out of the most recent SI issue:

* “success is a lousy teacher. It seduces smart people to thinking they cannot lose” Bill Gates

* “winning is overrated. The only time it is important is in war and surgery” Al McGuire

* “winning!” Charlie Sheen

There, don’t we all feel a little better now!

Comment by Dan 72 01.13.13 @ 9:58 pm

Agree with those above who point out that this is NOT a rebuilding year for Pitt Basketball.

Getting the sense now that even the most ardent Dixon supporters are starting to waver a bit as the evidence mounts.

The question I posed prevously, at what point… how many losses… will it take to realize the USS Dixon is taking on water?

It’s been my opinion going back to last year’s lost season that Dixon is being exposed as being limited in his ability to single-handedly lift a team to success.

It is my opinion that in the past it was some key assistants now gone who played key roles in developiing players while Dixon was getting the credit.

Last year really threw up the red flag when it became apparent that Dixon was totally unable to turn the team around time after time. It seemed as though players did not respond to his coaching style.

A year later, not much has changed.

And this is not going to change unless Dixon is able to bring aboard one or two assistants who complement his style well enough that their effort as a whole will once again make Jamie look like the master of turning lemons into lemonade.

Comment by PittofDreams 01.14.13 @ 1:53 am

POD – you can have different assistants if you want. I much prefer better players, especially at shooting gaurd where we need quicker, taller, & better shooters I think the Marquette guards showed exactly what good guard play can do for a team.

Comment by rayhpgh 01.14.13 @ 6:36 am

Key assistants leaving hurt recruiting and coaching. Some players leaving and transfering out probably isn’t a bad thing. I don’t see any open rebellion on this team. I see frustration. I see a lack of focus and discipline at times. That is on the coach. I don’t see leaders or some guy that will step up and be the man. I don’t think the team knows its identity. That is on the coach as well. Losing is fine as long as it keeps you humble and makes you better. This Pitt team has little confidence and doesn’t seem to learn from their mistakes. This is going to be another long year. But this time, they should decline the CBI invite.

Comment by TX Panther 01.14.13 @ 7:07 am

rayhpgh…

A 7-foot 5-Star center would also help.

OK, he’s got that.

Trust me. It ain’t the players.

Comment by PittofDreams 01.14.13 @ 7:07 am

POD – trust me, it is the players. BETTER PLAYERS MAKE BETTER COACHES. Practice, off-season training, teaching, etc. can only do so much.

Comment by rayhpgh 01.14.13 @ 8:30 am

Funny how it was not so long ago that Dixon had an uncanny ability to take cast-offs and mold them into a perennial Big East contender.

Now cast-offs aren’t good enough. He needs “better players.”

What’s changed?

Comment by PittofDreams 01.14.13 @ 9:03 am

Recruiting???

Got the #2, 3, 4 or 5 top recruit by anyones standards. Think ESPN had him at #4.

Robinson, pretty much the #10 to #15 guard by most services.

Ya, numbers are only numbers, and don’t mean anything, we’ve discussed that ad nauseum on the football posts.

But, they are a general starting point and give an idea of what kind of player they are.

So, a top 5 big man and and a top 15 guard.

Recruiting????

Comment by Dan 01.14.13 @ 9:21 am

Here’s an update that I don’t think made either the Post Gazette or the Trib.

There was a lot of opinions offered as to the likely outcome, a good portion of it from contributors making their living in the courts.

Let’s see who was right.
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PITTSBURGH (AP) — Pitt football players Ray Graham, Lafayette Pitts and Devin Street have cut a deal to reduce misdemeanor assault and conspiracy charges to disorderly conduct counts.

The players were charged in November after police say they surrounded another student on a sidewalk near the campus before one of the players punched the man in the head.

The man told police he didn’t want to press charges but wanted to ensure the players didn’t harass others.

The three players were scheduled for a preliminary hearing Wednesday. But Graham’s attorney, Mark Fiorilli says a deal was struck to have their charges reduced to disorderly conduct — a charge similar to a traffic ticket that carries up to a $300 fine.

The players must complete community service by April 15 for that to happen.

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Comment by PittofDreams 01.14.13 @ 10:10 am

Chris Peak was on one of the sports talk shows last night and he made a good point. He said the problem with this team is that they are not dominant in any one area, everything is about average (including rebounding). If they can improve and excel in just one area, they can start to win on a more regular basis. Let’s hope that happens as the season progessses. HTP. Bring back the script!

Comment by longsufferingpittfan 01.14.13 @ 10:19 am

Far more elite programs than Pitt go through dry spells. It happens. Despite the lack of Final Fours, Pitt has been the model of consistency the past decade, so to potentially miss the tourney 2 years in a row is all the more frustrating. If their struggles extend to next year, then it’s time for the program to do some “re-evaluating”.

Comment by Iron Duke 01.14.13 @ 10:48 am

That was a tuff hit Woodall took and I sure hope he is ok.Maybe this game would have taken a different direction if he was able to play.I wonder if Talib was healthy too because he sure didn’t show much Saturday.Adams was wearing tape on his right hand and it looked like a thumb problem,perhaps that is why his freethrows were so bad. Zeigler sure struggled too.I can’t watch objectively but it seemed like it wasn’t bouncing our way all day.Whatever the problem we need to start to get better soon because without some improvement soon we won’t be dancing again.

Comment by spiritofsection22 01.14.13 @ 10:52 am

@IRON DUKE…..absolutely.

I don’t get it. Yes, last year was horrible, a little rocky so far this year.

8 or 9 years of NCAA’s, 2 outright BE champs, a BE tourney championship.

Now, because of a bad year, Dixon has suddenly been exposed???

Was he exposed the couple years we had 31-5 records??

Was he exposed not more than 2 years ago when he won the BE championship outright with a 28-6 record???

Wow, tough crowd. Ya, I’m not happy either, and if this year goes into the tank, and next year is bad, sure, you have to take notice.

One bad year and a so-so start this year condemns him???

Geesh, tough, tough, crowd!!!

And, if you really want him gone, please elaborate with who you would get to come in here and do better.

Not a wishlist, someone who we could afford, and someone that is known to have said that they want to come here. Ya, Jamie makes good change, you want some elite guy, gonna be double what he makes. We payin’ that??

Comment by Dan 01.14.13 @ 11:05 am

Player ratings are very overrated &/or wrong. Someone please let me know if there is an above average BB player on the team right now? I go to every home game and I do not see one.

Comment by rayhpgh 01.14.13 @ 11:21 am

It was a miracle Patterson was left that open at the end of regulation.Pitt did a horible job of handling the last 20 seconds before that shot.We tossed courtlength and dribbled around aimlessly.It wasn’t pretty and left me wondering what we wre supposed to be doing after our time out.Prior to that Pitt had caused yet another turn over with the press.Pitt only presses out of desperation but has had amazing success with it this year.It makes me wonder if Emel is right about us pressing as a strategy.Everytime we do it ,it works.

Comment by spiritofsection22 01.14.13 @ 11:28 am

If the players are below average, (I don’t think they are) then who is at fault for that?
JD coaches one way only and when that doesn’t work Pitt is screwed.
Needs to be more flexible. And as far as freethrow shooting, they are regressing. I have seen them all shoot better than they have recently, it is called fatigue.

Comment by frankarms 01.14.13 @ 11:28 am

Dan, No need to defend Dixon.stupid talk for those who want him gone but well put on your points.

Problem with this team seems to be confidence..they start to miss a few baskets and it seems to snowball into a bunch more..if they start to fall then things really open up for them…see GT game and some of those early huge blowouts against the cupcake teams.

Dixon didn’t say it outright but whne asked about Zanna possibly being sick because how bad he paid he didn’t say Zanna was ill but he mentioned Zanna got down on himself after missing some early open jumpers and it effected his game. You see the same thing with Patterson at times

Comment by milo bloom 01.14.13 @ 11:36 am

The free throw problem goes back to the confidence problem…I actually think it is a lot harder for them to shoot FT’s at home then on the road…the building gets quiet as a mouse and then if they miss a collective groan. A litle noise would probably help.

Comment by milo bloom 01.14.13 @ 11:40 am

Ya, numbers are over rated, and sometimes wrong.

Everything being equal, would you rather have the #42 big man, and the #87 guard???

I think Adams is going to be an absolute monster, and Robinson has allready shown he will be good.

Are they now, no, probably not.

It is also only their 17th game of their freshmen seasons.

Comment by Dan 01.14.13 @ 11:53 am

If we could all find a bunch of Sam Young’s and know how they’d turn out, we’d all be rich.

Comment by Dan 01.14.13 @ 11:58 am

I would agree, that the overall recruiting may have taken a hit losing some of those assistants we had 04′-09′ ish.

Did seem like they knew how to find those guys.

Comment by Dan 01.14.13 @ 12:06 pm

The guys appear to be robotic & thinking of their next move instead of playing instinctively. Put a zone in front of these Panthers & it’s like a Panther in headlights. JD has won a lot of games but never have been a fan of the way he handles personnel or his x&o”s. Nova game looks like a must win. I would think PITT needs a .500+ record in conference to be considered for the Dance. HTP!

Comment by DC33 01.14.13 @ 12:13 pm

Dan == There is only one name PITT fans would consider their next BB coach == Sean Miller == I”m not stating PITT needs a new coach just commenting

Comment by DC33 01.14.13 @ 12:20 pm

No. 1… If you’re smart, you don’t talk about getting rid of a coach unless you know who you want to replace him.

No.2… Pointing out Dixon’s shortcomings is not the same as saying the guy should be shown the door.

There’s a mounting body of evidence to suggest it’s simply time to put to rest the urban legend of Dixon being the best at getting the most out of average players. In the last two years Pitt players have never been so average and look at what’s happened.

Accept Jamie for what he is and isn’t. A great guy and at times a pretty good coach who with the right assistants and players makes Pitt Basketball fun to watch and root for.

If you want someting more than this, a maximum return on investment for the University’s apparent commitment to building a big-time basketball program as evidenced by the erection of “The Pete” in place of Pitt Stadium… well then it’s time to start coming up with some names.

Then again… maybe the University’s commitment to building a major basketball program is also an urban legend?

Comment by PittofDreams 01.14.13 @ 12:37 pm

PittofDreams, I can agree with your comments.

Like I said, I’ve been a defender, but I’m a little frustrated. Tank it this year and start out horrible next year, I’d probably be doing a lot more questioning myself.

Almost is just a word, I understand that, shoulda, woulda, coulda, I understand that.

However, in comparing to say, a coach that only got to the NCAA’s and lost in every first round, Dixon did in fact get as close to the final four as humanly possible. Scottie effin’ Reynolds.

Bottom line, he didn’t, I understand that.

Not like he wasn’t on the cusp though.

Comment by Dan 01.14.13 @ 12:55 pm

Probably odd, for me to ask this question, having defended Dixon a bit, but just out of curiosity’s sake………….

Has Sean Miller ever made it known that his goal is to come back to his alma mater someday???

Some guys get set up like kings, eventually some family moves around them, and they all don’t have that need and desire to “get back home”.

Just wondering if anyone has ever heard him speak of that???

Comment by Dan 01.14.13 @ 12:58 pm

There is not a sane decent coach at any level that would come to Pitt if Dixon was let go anytime in the next three years. (Yes, he would be given that much time)…unless we see Adams and Robinson arrested a few times then he might be gone. Pitt would seem unrational as a school if it did so.

As far as not getting the most out of average players…who (besides Taylor) who have stayed for their entire career has not at least played to their potential? You might list players who have transfered..OK…which players who have transfer have had more success elsewhere..(Birch perhaps but only because he did nothing while he was here.)

Comment by milo bloom 01.14.13 @ 1:26 pm

Well USC coach fired this morning so let the Jamie Dixon to USC rumors begin…I will go on record right now that Dixon would not leave for USC.

Comment by milo bloom 01.14.13 @ 1:35 pm

I am really tired of the Dixon should go/Dixon can’t/replace Dixon dog drool that shows up after every loss on this site. Dixon is the best hoops coach Pitt has ever had.Only an idiot(peterson does qualify I admit) would consider replacing a man who has done such a great job. I get as frustrated as anyone when we struggle but the reality is we are very fortunate to have Dixon and Pitt should hope to keep him as long as he wants the job.That doesn’t mean he is above criticism only that I don’t think replacing him is a reasonable option.I also don’t think he is at all interested in going elsewhere.USC would be a step down from the Pitt job.

Comment by spiritofsection22 01.14.13 @ 2:09 pm

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