January 5, 2013

Hopefully there won’t be much overlap between the end of Pitt-Rutgers basketball on ESPN2 and the BBBVA Compass Bowl game of Pitt-Ole Miss on ESPN at 1pm. And if there is overlap, it would be nice if it was the end of a Pitt blowout of the Scarlet Knights.

Good news! Pitt will play with 11 players on offense despite Arthur Doakes suspension. Coach Chryst says so.

Pitt coach Paul Chryst refused Thursday to name a replacement at right guard for redshirt sophomore Arthur Doakes, who has been suspended for violating a team rule and won‘t play in the BBVA Compass Bowl on Saturday against Ole Miss.

“We have a plan,” he said. “We are going to line up with 11 (players). I promise that.”

The plan involves shifting the line a little.

Chryst will deal with the loss of right guard Arthur Doakes by juggling the offensive line. Matt Rotheram, who has played right tackle all season, will move to guard, his natural position when he was recruited in 2010 from North Olmstead (Ohio) High School. Zenel Demhasaj will get the first start of his Pitt career at right tackle. Demhasaj, a redshirt junior who is not returning next season, has been at Pitt for the past two years after transferring from Nassau (N.Y.) Community College.

So, plugging in someone new and shifting one of the linemen from where he played all year. What could go wrong? Not saying there’s much of a choice. Just saying, that I’m not optimistic about what to expect from the line.

So, it’s just before his final game. A bowl game. A semi-big game. Let’s talk Tino Sunseri’s legacy:

As for how he will be remembered at Pitt, those assessing Sunseri’s legacy will have to juxtapose Pitt’s 20-18 record with Sunseri’s strong senior year numbers and elevated place in the school’s record books.

“I don’t know what [my legacy] is,” Sunseri said. “It’s whatever people make it. I have no control over that.”

Fair enough. But, there is some control. Play well and get the win in this final game, and the odds are he will have a better departing image than with a loss. The bowl games may have very little real meaning, but they really effect how players are perceived. Especially when they bomb. Think Bill Stull in the Sun Bowl. Or Rutger’s Gary Nova after the Russel Athletic Bowl.

The team feels better prepared than last year. Of course it helps to actually have a coaching staff to help prepare you.

At the pregame alumni tent, looks like an Ole Miss home game.

Comment by WLAT and The Big Beat 01.05.13 @ 11:46 am

I read on another blog that Ray Graham is out with a bad hammy. Anyone else see this? I can’t find a story.

Comment by pghFred 01.05.13 @ 11:56 am

It just was posted on the PG site.

link to

Comment by pghFred 01.05.13 @ 11:58 am

Comment by Pitt Dad 01.05.13 @ 11:58 am

Shane Gordon and Drew Carswell out also.

Comment by Pitt Dad 01.05.13 @ 12:00 pm

Just like Cincy and Rutgers’ BB teams strengths are its guards which play into Pitt’s defensive liability, ole Miss is one the best teams in the NCAA with tackles for loss … which is even more worrisome now that we have 2 OL starting in their respective positiion for the 1st time. (The last time we had at least 2 new OL playing for the 1st time was the Sun Bowl)

Comment by wbb 01.05.13 @ 12:02 pm

The curse lives, looks like a long day.

Comment by gc 01.05.13 @ 12:02 pm

Foster looked great last night.

Comment by gc 01.05.13 @ 12:04 pm

Chryst is going to have to coach one heck of a game today for Pitt to be in it.

No Def Coordinator… No Ray Graham.

Comment by PittofDreams 01.05.13 @ 12:10 pm

Forget the negative vibes man… the past is the past.

This is the day Pitt shows it not “the same old Pitt”!

Today we earn our street cred’ as we enter the ACC!

Chryst has brought the best of Big 10 football mentally to a WPA school…

we had the talent to go 4Q+ with Notre Dame!!

Sunseri solidifies his legacy with a win..

Shell is a man among boys…

This team shows everyone today we are for REAL!!!

F%$^ Ole Miss and the SEC….

Let’s Go Pitt!!!

Comment by PittScript 01.05.13 @ 12:29 pm

hey if anyone hears about boyds announcement can you post.

Comment by pittisit37 01.05.13 @ 12:42 pm

We need about another 20,000 Pitt fans like you PittScript. I know for a fact that Ray Graham will not be available to play for Pitt next season so I guess it is time for the next guy to pick up the banner and run with it as of today.

I’m sure that the Graham issue has been known about inside the team for days now. So its showtime for Mr. Bennett and Mr. Shell. Time to step it up and show what they can bring to the party. They are the future as of today.

Here is hoping that Tino plays a great game. Ole Miss has lost a few games in the fourth quarter. Nothing would be more bizarre than Tino bringing home a win from behind in the 4th Q.

Like I always say, this is why they play the games. Lets go Pitt!

Comment by Dr. Tom 01.05.13 @ 12:47 pm

This is the first game of next football season. Time for Tino to go out strong and the young guns to show what they’ve got.


Comment by Pitt Dad 01.05.13 @ 12:53 pm

At the game. A lot of ole Miss folks but a loud PiTT group. Weather around 50 with clouds. Great football weather.

Comment by Pitt fan in Atlanta 01.05.13 @ 1:05 pm

Hate this for Graham. Tough break.
He has been fun to
watch. Hope he is successful at the next level.

Comment by JR 01.05.13 @ 1:06 pm

Should have been a helmet to helmet call…

Comment by Benzene 01.05.13 @ 1:07 pm


Comment by Kenny Powers 01.05.13 @ 1:10 pm

Tino Time

Comment by gc 01.05.13 @ 1:11 pm

Thanks Tino – we needed that! U f’n gh!Showing why he will never be a pro

Comment by Dan 72 01.05.13 @ 1:11 pm


Comment by frankarms 01.05.13 @ 1:11 pm

Why is Anthony Gonzalez starting on defense?

Comment by Kenny Powers 01.05.13 @ 1:13 pm

nice play by shayne hale.

Comment by ECH 01.05.13 @ 1:13 pm

Ole Miss qb talking sh!t after the td. F them.

Comment by ECH 01.05.13 @ 1:14 pm

Wow. It’s going to be a long game.

Comment by Chris 01.05.13 @ 1:15 pm

self-destructing already..

Comment by goalie44 01.05.13 @ 1:16 pm

I saw that too ECH, pisses me off, hope Donald lays him out

Comment by Kenny Powers 01.05.13 @ 1:16 pm

The streak is over for Tino. The announcers
will have to think of something else to
talk about. Thankfully b

Comment by JR 01.05.13 @ 1:16 pm

I haven’t seen a Pitt fan on TV yet. I can’t blame anyone…Steve Peterson has destroyed any excitement out there and Tino’s unispiring play destroyed the rest. If I was a Big Wig at Pitt I like to think this embarrassing show will have an effect on Peterson’s job at Pitt.

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.05.13 @ 1:16 pm

this is a great time to be a pitt fan…fball and bball team both suck….i can’t wait for the spring for the pirates??…f**k me!!!

Comment by Keith 01.05.13 @ 1:17 pm

I’m so glad they don’t make me watch the Jets play one more time against someone like Detroit in a random Southern shithole.

Comment by Chris 01.05.13 @ 1:17 pm

Ray vinopal went for INT. He could have just batted the damn ball. Need a good drive here. Wasn’t that impressed with Ole Miss offense so far.

Is Hendricks injured also? What the heck happened the past month

Comment by Why me 01.05.13 @ 1:17 pm

I was really hoping this would be a little better than the bball game. At least it will be a slow, 3 hour pain

Comment by Pendlum 01.05.13 @ 1:20 pm

Well, it doesn’t look like Tino will pass Marino today….

Comment by Jackagain 01.05.13 @ 1:21 pm

To be a Pitt fan is to be constantly disappointed. The only godd thing about today is it is Tino’s last game. Unless he comes back to win, he will be the only QB in Pitt’s history to never have brought a team back from a deficit.
Sorry for the negativity….Drinking early now!

Comment by Dan 72 01.05.13 @ 1:21 pm

Tyler Boyd announcement coming within the next couple minutes.

Comment by Mailman 01.05.13 @ 1:22 pm

Boyd announcing next

Comment by Keith 01.05.13 @ 1:22 pm

Amen Dan72

Comment by Pendlum 01.05.13 @ 1:24 pm

Tyler chooses……..PITT!!!

Comment by Keith 01.05.13 @ 1:24 pm

At least I missed the pick.

this might be one of those days, you should have rolled out of bed,….and immediately starting drinking.

Comment by Emel 01.05.13 @ 1:24 pm

Boyd to Pitt.

Comment by Mailman 01.05.13 @ 1:24 pm

we winn boyd…thats the only thing we’re gonna win today

Comment by Keith 01.05.13 @ 1:26 pm

Good news about Boyd. One crack of light in a dark day?

Comment by ECH 01.05.13 @ 1:26 pm

I’d take a hurt Wallace over a healthy Tino. Kid went to Arkansas State originally. You telling me a kid that that wouldn’t have gone to Pitt if recruited?????? He plays with heart and grit. Something I’ve never seen from Tino.

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.05.13 @ 1:26 pm

Alright welcome to PITT Tyler Boyd.

Can you possibly play today ?

Comment by Emel 01.05.13 @ 1:30 pm

Got Boyd. That’s hope we got a qb who can get him the ball

Comment by Why me 01.05.13 @ 1:30 pm

Don’t be down. just repeat “Tino’s last game, Tino’s last game”. God, I feel good!

Comment by Oklahomeboy 01.05.13 @ 1:30 pm

Freeze is light years ahead of Chryst as well.

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.05.13 @ 1:31 pm

Oklahoma Boy – LOL…. I’m saying it as we speak here in Texas.

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.05.13 @ 1:32 pm

Bless you Okie!

Comment by Dan 72 01.05.13 @ 1:33 pm

Ole Miss is making this look easy. We need to step it up especially offense.

Comment by DJS 01.05.13 @ 1:33 pm

Sunseri can put his prolific comeback skills to work now.

Comment by dallas mike 01.05.13 @ 1:34 pm

why does every fucking pitt team suck?? it’s unbelievable!!!

Comment by goalie44 01.05.13 @ 1:35 pm

Defense can’t get off the field….

Comment by Jackagain 01.05.13 @ 1:35 pm

Down 14-0! Not to worry, ” Tino’s last game, Tino’s last game”.

Comment by Oklahomeboy 01.05.13 @ 1:35 pm


sIR Tino 4.4

Comment by Emel 01.05.13 @ 1:35 pm

Hey Dan72, is that a true statement? Pitt has never won a game with Tino when we were losing? If so…

Comment by Kenny Powers 01.05.13 @ 1:35 pm

My pre-season prediction of Sir Tino being named MVP of this game….not looking good.

Got the Bowl though 😉

Comment by Emel 01.05.13 @ 1:36 pm

If Chryst had any balls or sense….He would pull Tino and put in ABT.

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.05.13 @ 1:37 pm

I wish it was not true but alas, save for one of the creampuffs with an early lead, it is.
No QB or single player in Pitt’s history in any sport has irritated me the way Tino has. He has an uncanny knack for mediocrity!

Comment by Dan 72 01.05.13 @ 1:37 pm

Tito’s long ball hung in the air for 11 seconds

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.05.13 @ 1:38 pm

Wow no flag

Comment by Why me 01.05.13 @ 1:38 pm

pitt embarrasses itself again. wonder what stevie thinks??

Comment by goalie44 01.05.13 @ 1:38 pm

Tino must have have untied shoes… maybe it’s lucky or something, he just CANT STAY ON HIS FEET.

Comment by Benzene 01.05.13 @ 1:38 pm

That is a BS no call on the pass interference. Gonna be a long day if this is the way they’re calling it.

Comment by Pitt Dad 01.05.13 @ 1:38 pm

Not that it matters, but that was a horrible no call pass int by the Missippi Official. The rout is on

Comment by Dan 72 01.05.13 @ 1:39 pm

Has the game started yet? Smh

Comment by J Bizz 01.05.13 @ 1:39 pm

The ball was in the air for 11 seconds……The DB has just as much a right to the ball. Tino sucks.

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.05.13 @ 1:40 pm

whoops Tino’s rating fell to 3.5

does this game count towards season stats ?

Comment by Emel 01.05.13 @ 1:40 pm

Todd Thomas has come to play.

Comment by ECH 01.05.13 @ 1:40 pm

Defense has it’s hands full.

Comment by Oklahomeboy 01.05.13 @ 1:42 pm

14 must be our lucky number today.

I think Buttgers was up by 14 in the 1rst half of that horrid affair.

Comment by Emel 01.05.13 @ 1:42 pm

The Ole Miss QB has a destroyed shoulder and still throws a better ball than Tino.

Comment by J Bizz 01.05.13 @ 1:42 pm

How Steve Peterson or the Big Dogs at Pitt can accept not only the performance but the lack of any excitement is amazing. Hell, buy the tickets and give them away free to kids of Birmingham and give them gold shirts for free. At least it wouldn’t look so embarrassing.

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.05.13 @ 1:42 pm

Finally got off the field on third down.

Comment by Mailman 01.05.13 @ 1:43 pm

@Upittbaseball – in college the DB has to play the ball while the ball is in the air. In this case, he played the man all the way. That’s PI in college (but not in the NFL).

Comment by Pitt Dad 01.05.13 @ 1:44 pm

Pitt Dad – Thanks…. Didn’t know.

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.05.13 @ 1:45 pm

Countdown….. Only 3 quarters of Tino left to deal with.

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.05.13 @ 1:46 pm

MOST BLATANT INTERFERENCE I’ve seen………..HOW DO NOT MAKE THAT CALL! It’s a bunch of F#$%&* BULLSHIT!!! Must be SEC refs. It really stinks.

Comment by Justinian 01.05.13 @ 1:47 pm

did Tyler Boyd commit yet?

Comment by Tsingtao44 01.05.13 @ 1:48 pm

The Sunseri Time Clock reads:

3 Quarters

Hail to Pitt !

Comment by Emel 01.05.13 @ 1:48 pm

After this game Boyd may change his mind…

Comment by MariettaMike 01.05.13 @ 1:48 pm


Comment by Justinian 01.05.13 @ 1:48 pm

boyd to pitt, woo hoo!

Comment by pittisit37 01.05.13 @ 1:49 pm

Hugh Freeze says you have to teach the kids attitude and tempo. Pitt has no tempo on offense. Is that coaching or QB. Ole Miss looks completely jazzed up and we look flat. Tempo!

Comment by Oklahomeboy 01.05.13 @ 1:49 pm

I think we should have brought a DC.

Or bought one for the game.

Comment by Emel 01.05.13 @ 1:49 pm

Is Isaac Bennett in the doghouse or considering leaving?

Comment by dallas mike 01.05.13 @ 1:50 pm

ABT. See you guys next year.

Comment by atlanta panther 01.05.13 @ 1:51 pm

Tino time! Tino = slow & stupid….

Comment by Jackagain 01.05.13 @ 1:51 pm

All of these Ole Miss guys are talking shit and showing us up. Who is going to step up and shut them up?

Comment by ECH 01.05.13 @ 1:51 pm

Is 4.4 Tino’s QB Rating or his QB IQ? No awareness of what is happening around him….for 5 years.

Comment by Pendlum 01.05.13 @ 1:51 pm

what a joke of a team this is when playin somebody decent

Comment by Timmeh 01.05.13 @ 1:52 pm


Comment by MariettaMike 01.05.13 @ 1:52 pm

Tino sees the pressure and rolls to his right. Then, inexplicably its like he forgets guys are chasing him. Throw the friggin ball away!

Comment by Kenny Powers 01.05.13 @ 1:52 pm

Really will miss Tino’s pccket awareness!

Comment by Dan 72 01.05.13 @ 1:52 pm

Now repeating Serenity Prayer!

Comment by Oklahomeboy 01.05.13 @ 1:52 pm

We unleash our secret weapon.

Malcolm Crockett

unbeknownst to ole miss

Comment by Emel 01.05.13 @ 1:53 pm

Sir Tino to the rescue…lmao

Comment by Emel 01.05.13 @ 1:53 pm

Come on defense!!

Comment by Why me 01.05.13 @ 1:54 pm

That was a good block, not a block in the back.

Comment by Benzene 01.05.13 @ 1:54 pm

okay, maybe we don’t suck that bad, but still our offense is a joke right now

Comment by Timmeh 01.05.13 @ 1:55 pm

Good INT by hendricks

Comment by HL2Pitt 01.05.13 @ 1:55 pm

Chryst is letting down the team and the university not playing another QB. He can’t make basic high school throws…

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.05.13 @ 1:57 pm

Thank God somebody made a frickin play.

Hendricks !!

Comment by Emel 01.05.13 @ 1:57 pm

Bloodlines seem to trump all else Upittbaseball.

Comment by Emel 01.05.13 @ 1:58 pm


Who is he going to put in? You want him to burn Voytik’s RS for 2 quarters of an exhibition game?

Comment by ECH 01.05.13 @ 1:59 pm

All Tino has to do is not panic and hit the open screen pass….and..he overthrows it…I am shocked!

Comment by Dan 72 01.05.13 @ 1:59 pm

I can’t wait for a new QB. I’m done watching Tino

Comment by HL2Pitt 01.05.13 @ 1:59 pm

My last words on my death bed will be “why didn’t Chryst pull Tino”. He adds nothing to our offense. It is embarrassing.

Comment by Oklahomeboy 01.05.13 @ 1:59 pm

Tino is lost out there. Ole miss talking a lot of trash. Refs are a mess. Defense must score

Comment by Why me 01.05.13 @ 1:59 pm

Let tino finish, this is exactly the way to end his college career.

Boyd…are you sure you meant to pick pitt?

Comment by rhyno527 01.05.13 @ 2:00 pm

Emel….. Freeze was coaching girls swimming and badmitton at the high school level 4 years ago and has a better offensive game plan than us. LOL

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.05.13 @ 2:00 pm

PUT IN TREY ANDERSON! It doesn’t matter who you put in but the kid deserves a chance…. F%$% Voytiks red shirt….He won’t be at Pitt in 3 years anyway with the way this debacle is going.

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.05.13 @ 2:02 pm

Look at the routes Ole Miss is running. We haven’t done that all year.

Comment by Oklahomeboy 01.05.13 @ 2:03 pm

I’m glad Chryst is giggling as this is so funny.

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.05.13 @ 2:03 pm


I get that Tino sucks. But your solution is just stupid. You are an overemotional drama queen.

Comment by ECH 01.05.13 @ 2:04 pm

Red shirt rules end after the regular season. They do not apply to bowl games.

Comment by dallas mike 01.05.13 @ 2:05 pm

ECH – Keep playing Tino then buddy and good luck with that. By the way is Obama the head official looks and sounds like him.

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.05.13 @ 2:05 pm

WTF, talk about home cookin. They musta got the word that SEC needs this win.

Comment by frankarms 01.05.13 @ 2:06 pm

The coach cannot play another QB.
No other player has game experience.
Replacing Tino makes no sense. Grin
and near it. Tina’s last game. By the way
Tino’s ball lacks velocity compared to any
other QB. Also distance. Incapable of throwing
the long ball.

Comment by JR 01.05.13 @ 2:06 pm

I never heard redshirt rules end for bowl games

Comment by Why me 01.05.13 @ 2:06 pm

We must score. We got the big mo. Come in tino

Comment by Why me 01.05.13 @ 2:08 pm

Nice INT

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.05.13 @ 2:09 pm

We need 7 here, not 3…

Comment by Jackagain 01.05.13 @ 2:09 pm

Did we miss the FG yet?

Comment by frankarms 01.05.13 @ 2:09 pm

the playcalling shows no faith in Tino

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.05.13 @ 2:09 pm

You think Ole Miss realizes all Pitt can do is run the ball? Loading up the box and I’m guessing a blitz on 3rd down.

Comment by Pendlum 01.05.13 @ 2:09 pm

Sunseri still terrible

Comment by gc 01.05.13 @ 2:10 pm

I am really going to miss the Tino “run two steps and dive” plays. Deep breathe….only 1 half of Tino-ball left. Luckily 15yd penalty, unlucky injury.

Comment by Pendlum 01.05.13 @ 2:11 pm

I bet we run it three straight times two set up field goal

Comment by Why me 01.05.13 @ 2:13 pm

Where is the Tino countdown clock?

Comment by frankarms 01.05.13 @ 2:13 pm

Will they give us a touchdown.

We got Boyd, more important than either game.

Maybe our luck will change.

Comment by gc 01.05.13 @ 2:13 pm

I can’t stop watching because I have to see how Sunseri screws this up!

Comment by Oklahomeboy 01.05.13 @ 2:13 pm

Ole Miss now has 10 on the line of scrimmage. I think they’ve figured out Tino cannot throw. What happened to Crockett? Do we always pull players when they are playing well?

Comment by Dan 72 01.05.13 @ 2:15 pm

We’re on the board!

Comment by Mailman 01.05.13 @ 2:16 pm

Sunseri comes through

Comment by gc 01.05.13 @ 2:16 pm

Tino with come from behind victory. Mark it down.

Comment by frankarms 01.05.13 @ 2:16 pm

Wow, what a great throwing qb!

Comment by Oklahomeboy 01.05.13 @ 2:17 pm

So if redshirts don’t count here, wouldn’t we be able bring in Savage?

Comment by Big Bill 01.05.13 @ 2:17 pm

Praise Jesus, we scored

Comment by Timmeh 01.05.13 @ 2:18 pm

If Boyd committed to Pitt, then why doesn’t Sam Werner have it in the Ped Gazette?

Comment by frankarms 01.05.13 @ 2:18 pm

Here’s the deal. Ole Miss is no better than we are. They started hot and then cooled off. We started badly and are improving slowly. Just like the bball game today. The difference is that it is easier to come back from 14 down in fball than in bball.

Comment by Pitt Dad 01.05.13 @ 2:19 pm

did i miss anything…I had to take a crap


Comment by Emel 01.05.13 @ 2:20 pm

Tags saves a touchdown

Comment by gc 01.05.13 @ 2:20 pm

hope our steelers draft tino in the 7th round! but seriously, would be nice to see graham in a steelers jersey next year, too bad he couldn’t go today, but for what he was able to do this year, that is a helluva accomplishment!

Comment by pittisit37 01.05.13 @ 2:20 pm

And as if on cue…pitt gives up a 50 yd return

Comment by Dan 72 01.05.13 @ 2:21 pm

Even tinos haircut pisses me off.

Comment by Big Bill 01.05.13 @ 2:21 pm

Need another turnover.

Comment by Mailman 01.05.13 @ 2:21 pm

That was fast….Yeah, they are no better than us.

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.05.13 @ 2:22 pm

And as if on cue 2plays later…a score

Comment by Dan 72 01.05.13 @ 2:22 pm

That was too easy

Comment by gc 01.05.13 @ 2:22 pm


Comment by Jackagain 01.05.13 @ 2:22 pm

Big Bill…. I agree.

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.05.13 @ 2:22 pm

hahaha Big Bill that’s gold!

Comment by Kenny Powers 01.05.13 @ 2:24 pm

When this game is over…I say we form a pact and agree to speak Tino’s name no more…

Comment by Dan 72 01.05.13 @ 2:24 pm

Pitts perennial special teams problem strikes again. So so so predictable.

Comment by Iron Duke 01.05.13 @ 2:25 pm

Nice defense

Comment by HL2Pitt 01.05.13 @ 2:26 pm

Is Bruce Arians our OC? Run, Run, Pass, Punt

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.05.13 @ 2:26 pm

Is it the players or the blocking scheme?

Comment by J Bizz 01.05.13 @ 2:27 pm

Not having coach Hux is hurting us more than I thought it would

Comment by HL2Pitt 01.05.13 @ 2:27 pm

Running plays indicate no faith in Tino.

Comment by JR 01.05.13 @ 2:28 pm

Maybe we are running because it’s working???

Comment by ECH 01.05.13 @ 2:29 pm

Amazing how once you complete a few passes the running game opens up.

Comment by Oklahomeboy 01.05.13 @ 2:30 pm

Sunseri had no one to throw to. That was all coaching.

Comment by Oklahomeboy 01.05.13 @ 2:36 pm

Is it me or did Tino take a sack on 3rd down almost making a tough FG even tougher?

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.05.13 @ 2:36 pm

These announcers keep talking about ‘rebel nation’ …. really?

Comment by Big Bill 01.05.13 @ 2:36 pm

this day is not a total loss

link to

Comment by wbb 01.05.13 @ 2:37 pm

here is PG’s Boyd article. he reason that Sam Werner doesn’t have it is because he is at the game

link to

Comment by wbb 01.05.13 @ 2:40 pm

15 minutes of Tino left. Praise Jesus!

Comment by Oklahomeboy 01.05.13 @ 2:41 pm

Sorry got ahead of myself.

Comment by Oklahomeboy 01.05.13 @ 2:42 pm

Everytime we score, they respond

Comment by HL2Pitt 01.05.13 @ 2:43 pm

At least we didn’t get shutout in the first half

Comment by HL2Pitt 01.05.13 @ 2:45 pm

Tino’s final chance to lead a comeback. What are the odds?

Comment by gc 01.05.13 @ 2:45 pm

Interesting to compare Foster and Boyd in the future.

Comment by frank MD 01.05.13 @ 2:46 pm

Yes, I checked on the Triblive website and Tyler Boyd did in fact, verbally commit to Pitt. It’s nice to have something go well today.

Comment by Justinian 01.05.13 @ 2:47 pm

1 in 150 odds for Tino Led comeback.

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.05.13 @ 2:47 pm

And the Blue and Gold ball has began it’s decent with Tino’s picture on it, the beginning of the end of an era! 15 more minuts…

Off to the liquor store here!

Comment by Dan 72 01.05.13 @ 2:47 pm

This would be a lot worse if we weren’t familiar with the locker room.

Comment by 66Goat 01.05.13 @ 2:51 pm

I must admit, after watching Johnny Football and the speed of Ole Miss, Fraud wasn’t all wrong. High Octane vs. Smashmouth? Maybe it’s just having a good running qb. Maybe just a good qb.

But our D, definitely looks slow today. Need some plays from the big guy.

Comment by gc 01.05.13 @ 2:52 pm

I can’t find any evidence of the “A redshirt can play in a bowl game” clause, mentioned above, according to NCAA clearinghouse guidelines.

@Dallas Mike Are you sure about this?

Comment by ECH 01.05.13 @ 2:58 pm

Odds? I find it really odd that you would even think it could happen! LOL

Comment by Outlaw 01.05.13 @ 3:01 pm

@66goat… hilarious

Comment by Big Bill 01.05.13 @ 3:02 pm

FWIW, according to Trib, Boyd still plans on visiting Mich St and tennessee

Comment by wbb 01.05.13 @ 3:02 pm

in order for the remote chance that Tino leads a comeback, we need some defensive stops. Ole Miss offense had no problems the last 2 drives except they ran out of time on the last one

Comment by wbb 01.05.13 @ 3:05 pm

Someone is f*cking with us.

Both games today we’re losing by 14 points at the half.

39-25 in hoops
24-10 in football.

Must be those pricks at ESPN .

Hey but we got Boyd !!!!!

Comment by Emel 01.05.13 @ 3:07 pm


pick me up a bottle of Bookers please.

Send me the bill :-)

Comment by Emel 01.05.13 @ 3:11 pm

Outlaw, good one.

Why does a guy commit and take two more visits?

Comment by gc 01.05.13 @ 3:12 pm


Comment by Mailman 01.05.13 @ 3:12 pm


Because he’s a high school kid and he can.

Comment by ECH 01.05.13 @ 3:15 pm

He likes to travel for free

Comment by Emel 01.05.13 @ 3:15 pm

Even with giving them a first down on the offsides penalty the D holds. Let’s go Pitt!!!

Comment by Pitt Dad 01.05.13 @ 3:15 pm

Signing day can bring surprises – good and bad.

Comment by frank MD 01.05.13 @ 3:16 pm

What kind of a season would he have had without Thomas? Didn’t he miss the Youngstown State game?

Hendricks playing well today.

Comment by gc 01.05.13 @ 3:16 pm

Deceptive handoff by Tino

Comment by gc 01.05.13 @ 3:18 pm

This O-line is a joke….

Comment by Jackagain 01.05.13 @ 3:19 pm

I’ve never seen a QB have the uncanny knack of running INTO a defender the way Sunseri does. It’s astonishing.

Comment by ECH 01.05.13 @ 3:20 pm

They are manhandling us now, game over

Comment by gc 01.05.13 @ 3:20 pm

QB’s in college are the difference makers. For the good, and in our case, for the bad.

If I had to rank in order of importance, it would be qb, attitude and speed. You either punch first or get hit.

My word, Tino is not quick in the pocket and he runs right into defenders. I think he takes sacks instead of throwing balls away so that his completion rate stays high. Just a thought.

Comment by dhuffdaddy 01.05.13 @ 3:20 pm

This offense looks pathetic. Horrible playcalling, horrible execution. If Bisnowaty and/or Johnson aren’t starting at the tackles next year, I’ll be disappointed. Gibbs is not a Divsion 1 tackle.

Comment by Kenny Powers 01.05.13 @ 3:21 pm

that first down play was coaching … we ran that play every deive opner

The 2nd 3rd down plays are why we never see comebacks — when defenses start teeing off, we are helpless — the QB and especially the OL

Comment by wbb 01.05.13 @ 3:21 pm

I think he takes sacks because his brain doesn’t process information very quickly. I mean that sincerely.

Comment by ECH 01.05.13 @ 3:22 pm

this is a great day, win or lose, tinos reign of misery is done, we get boyd, and i still think we get foster come signing day
but the key is that tino the incompetent is done!

Comment by pittisit37 01.05.13 @ 3:23 pm

You know it’s a sad day when student rap is more exciting than football snaps.

Comment by Panthoor 01.05.13 @ 3:26 pm

notice the lack of TV shots of the Pitt fans in the stadium?

Comment by giffer-in-Htown 01.05.13 @ 3:28 pm

we have to use 69 on the DL …. deosn’t even have a name on his back

Comment by wbb 01.05.13 @ 3:28 pm

This team has no idea what to do.

Comment by frank MD 01.05.13 @ 3:30 pm

according to the roster on Pantherlair 69 is Bisnowaty — hope that’s not him

Comment by wbb 01.05.13 @ 3:31 pm

Screen play on 3rd down…..12 year olds in jr. High kids know that’s coming. Who are these jokers Pitt has. Chryst sucks…..defend him all you want. He was a OC and that’s it.

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.05.13 @ 3:32 pm

Let’s run off tackle on first down! They won’t believe we are doing it 9 times in a row.
When your O line sucks, you can’t be predictable.
But we are predictable.

Comment by SFPitt 01.05.13 @ 3:32 pm

Too bad we can’t just surrender and start
over in spring. If the game was a boxing
match the ref would stop it.

Comment by JR 01.05.13 @ 3:32 pm

Get a QB and OL and we will be fine…consistent 9-10 win seasons if we get those.

Comment by J Bizz 01.05.13 @ 3:32 pm

Freeze is a gentlemen only throwing on 3rd

Comment by JR 01.05.13 @ 3:33 pm

J Biizz we couldn’t win 10 games in D II or the MAC

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.05.13 @ 3:34 pm

The offense is the unit that looks like they don’t have a coordinator either. Disappointing.

Comment by Outlaw 01.05.13 @ 3:34 pm

We’ve needed an OL since the Fiesta bowl. Walt wouldn’t fill that position, Wanny didn’t, Fraud didn’t. Lets hope this Wisky guy will make it a priority. Then we can at least keep our QB off his back!

Comment by giffer-in-Htown 01.05.13 @ 3:37 pm


Comment by goalie44 01.05.13 @ 3:37 pm

Can we trade the Italian QB’s? Benedetti for Sunseri?

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.05.13 @ 3:38 pm

Let Anderson play, probably his last chance.

Comment by gc 01.05.13 @ 3:39 pm

Watching from the game. It is obvious why ole miss is at the bottom of SEC and Pitt the BE. Both team aren’t any good though Pitt is worse

Comment by Pitt fan in Atlanta 01.05.13 @ 3:39 pm

Line was 3 for this game. LOL…was Vegas linemakers drinking heavily?

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.05.13 @ 3:39 pm

If Paul Chryst wants to endear himself to us forever, he will pull Tino now and give us one full quarter of Tino free football. The game is over, has been over, for some time.

And the Blue and Gold Ball with Tino’s face drops further down the pole. An anxious cheering crowd adorned in Blue and Gold, full of anticipation waits at the bottom…I hear the cheering getting louder and louder! Only 15 minutes 42 seconds until joy breaks out in Pitt Nation!

Comment by Dan 72 01.05.13 @ 3:39 pm

I guess Pitt was out coached but the players seem tentative and lost.

Comment by frank MD 01.05.13 @ 3:40 pm

If you are going to bring it out, why just stand there?

Comment by gc 01.05.13 @ 3:40 pm

15 and counting!!!!

Comment by ECH 01.05.13 @ 3:40 pm

Very few with any fight left in them.

Comment by gc 01.05.13 @ 3:41 pm

Tinos stats in the big east are laughable…oh and the NAIA non Conf schedule.

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.05.13 @ 3:41 pm

I’m more worried about possibly blowing a redshirt on Bisnowaty — I hope that isn’t him

Comment by wbb 01.05.13 @ 3:41 pm

hey that was a pretty good quarter for us.

We gained 3 yards on offense, thanks to the last 6 yard run by Shell and…

they only scored 7 points.

Comment by Emel 01.05.13 @ 3:42 pm

We are not bowl worthy. At this point, after one year of Paul Chryst we suck. We may get better but as of today we suck.

Comment by Oklahomeboy 01.05.13 @ 3:43 pm

We’re making Old Miss look good. Shame on us. Why is Tino still in there?

Comment by MariettaMike 01.05.13 @ 3:43 pm

actually Tino stats this year aren’t bad — 19 TDs vs 2 Ints and >3000 yards … but of course that doesn’t tell the whole story

Comment by wbb 01.05.13 @ 3:44 pm

To my fellow panther fans….. I have a solution to being a pitt fan. Bet money on the opponent and when Pitt loses embarrassingly you make money. If Pitt wins and surprises we get the W but you lose money. A Win Win!

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.05.13 @ 3:44 pm

Webb…..stats against terrible teams in big least or NAIA mean zero

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.05.13 @ 3:45 pm

Sonuvabitch! Disappointed again.

Comment by Oklahomeboy 01.05.13 @ 3:47 pm

wow are we actually moving the ball?

Comment by Timmeh 01.05.13 @ 3:47 pm

Sir Tino is alright between the 30’s and against the Gardner Webb’s, USF’s of the world.

Not a D1 QB, never was one.

Comment by Emel 01.05.13 @ 3:48 pm

Running is worthless but we cannot pass anyway.

Comment by frank MD 01.05.13 @ 3:48 pm

Jesus, who the hell is Tino throwing to? Looks more scared than usual

Comment by Kenny Powers 01.05.13 @ 3:49 pm

Tino is horrible

Comment by Timmeh 01.05.13 @ 3:49 pm

Sunseri 8 for 18 for 94 yards. What a joke.

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.05.13 @ 3:49 pm

This is embarrassing

Comment by Timmeh 01.05.13 @ 3:50 pm

let anyone QB.

Comment by frank MD 01.05.13 @ 3:50 pm

Tino is one of the worst college qb’s I have ever seen. Screw the stats, he is a terrible qb.

Comment by Oklahomeboy 01.05.13 @ 3:51 pm

Ok. We know what Tino can do. Please Paul, put Trey in so we can at least be entertained.
This game was lost in the first 10 minutes.
The first 10 minutes after Ray Graham pulled his hamstring.

Comment by SFPitt 01.05.13 @ 3:52 pm


Comment by CNorwoodAZ 01.05.13 @ 3:52 pm

we really are better off without Tino, he plain and simple is not a winner and just not even good

Comment by Timmeh 01.05.13 @ 3:52 pm

have you seen any WR open … I sure haven’t?? Once again, please quit blaming everything on the QB …. LINES DO MATTER

Comment by wbb 01.05.13 @ 3:54 pm

Our special teams are….lacking.

Comment by ECH 01.05.13 @ 3:55 pm

The QB is the leader and fires the team up.

Comment by frank MD 01.05.13 @ 3:55 pm

Folks, I have to leave you to attend a teacher Christmas Party…normally I loathe them. Today I am looking forward to turning off the Pitt/UMiss game.

Sorry I will miss the magic upcoming moment.

God Bless all of you and a Happy New Year to all.

Hail to Pitt!

Comment by Dan 72 01.05.13 @ 3:56 pm

Dorian Johnson blocked this no. 1 propect in the country yesterday, and did apretty good job … seriously!!

Comment by wbb 01.05.13 @ 3:56 pm

Kudos to Tino for personally assuring he doesn’t pass Dan Marino for 2nd on the career passing yardage list.

Comment by Hoopzebra 01.05.13 @ 3:56 pm

The entire team is awful. Tino supposed to be a leader of the team.

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.05.13 @ 3:57 pm

Wbb, the line sucks to be sure. But when the QB is standing in the pocket and not being pressured, and you cannot even determine the intended receiver based on how off target the passes are, I mean come on. We don’t have WRs running wide open, but they aren’t exactly being blanket covered either. These are throws Tino HAS made and completed this year, thats what is extremely frustrating today. He looks very rusty.

Comment by Kenny Powers 01.05.13 @ 3:58 pm

@wbb. Shouldn’t we be able to adjust our routes and get open. Our receivers have been shut down the whole game and we are still running the same plays. Once again I ask, is this on the coaches, qb or who?

Comment by Oklahomeboy 01.05.13 @ 3:58 pm

When Chryst recruits a stud that doesn’t live 15 minutes from downtown Pitt he will get some credit.

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.05.13 @ 3:59 pm

No life in the team.

Comment by frank MD 01.05.13 @ 4:01 pm

Clairton is more like an hour or more from Da Burg.

lol so PC is the man !!!!

Comment by Emel 01.05.13 @ 4:01 pm

That 4th down play call tells you all you need to know about where are passing game as a whole is today. Can’t block, can’t throw it, can’t get open.

Comment by Kenny Powers 01.05.13 @ 4:01 pm


Comment by wbb 01.05.13 @ 4:01 pm

That is all on Shell .. the play was designed to go outside where the pulling guard was

Comment by Hoopzebra 01.05.13 @ 4:02 pm

So is Belle Vernon. Where DJ is from.

I know Western Pa. 😉

Comment by Emel 01.05.13 @ 4:02 pm

We got served a double dose of L’s today. I’m tired of the announcers talking about Tino not throwing INTs but they fail to mention that he doesn’t make any please. Good ridence!

Comment by Pittastic 01.05.13 @ 4:02 pm


Comment by CNorwoodAZ 01.05.13 @ 4:02 pm

Time for some humor….you tube “key and peele east west collegiate bowl names” Flippin hilarious. The names of ole miss reminded me of the video! Enjoy.

I just couldn’t post the link, sorry. All should like it though.

Comment by dhuffdaddy 01.05.13 @ 4:03 pm


Don’t worry we’ll give your regards to Sir Tino, at his ” We’ll call you, don’t call us party”


Comment by Emel 01.05.13 @ 4:03 pm

I would not blame Anderson one bit if he dropped the headset and left the field right now.
This is a bad loss..bad for morale.
Watch the D give up 6 now.

Comment by SFPitt 01.05.13 @ 4:03 pm

Pitt has no speed. Our kickoff returners move like molasses.

Comment by Pittastic 01.05.13 @ 4:04 pm

Perhaps Chryst has a sense of history as well…? Maybe he is intentionally limiting Tino’s attempts so he doesn’t pass Marino. ???

Comment by Outlaw 01.05.13 @ 4:04 pm

Both BB and FB teams walked through their games asleep today.

Comment by frank MD 01.05.13 @ 4:05 pm

Sir Tino learned the trick of taking the sack and not risking a pick. Since he knew only picks would put him on the bench.

Like last year.

Smart cookie.

Comment by Emel 01.05.13 @ 4:05 pm

Easiest money I’ve ever made. A 76 year old could have scored on that hole.

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.05.13 @ 4:05 pm

right up the middle barely touched … fucking Tino!!!

Comment by wbb 01.05.13 @ 4:05 pm

Play Trey

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.05.13 @ 4:06 pm

Lets get this game over with

Comment by MariettaMike 01.05.13 @ 4:06 pm

The bell tolls for ….

Comment by Emel 01.05.13 @ 4:06 pm

Can they leave Tiny in Alabama?

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.05.13 @ 4:06 pm

Our long nightmare is almost over.

Comment by ECH 01.05.13 @ 4:07 pm

38-10 game over, sunseri is what he is.


Comment by Emel 01.05.13 @ 4:07 pm

To reluctantly quote Jodee:
“Shell is slow, slow, slow.”

And does Tino ever throw to his receivers in practice? Or during the summer? Or before practice? Hard to imagine he can be so consistently off target.

Comment by Gas 01.05.13 @ 4:07 pm

Not impressed with Shell. To heavy and slow

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.05.13 @ 4:08 pm


Comment by Timmeh 01.05.13 @ 4:08 pm

LMAO..they’ll prolly give Sir tino a mecry TD here, just like Cincy game and several other blowout losses.

Comment by Emel 01.05.13 @ 4:09 pm

Why is this joke still in?

Comment by Timmeh 01.05.13 @ 4:09 pm

I just feel bad for classy guys like Shanahan, Taglianetti, Graham, etc. they deserve to go out better than this.

Comment by Outlaw 01.05.13 @ 4:09 pm

That pass was beautiful

Comment by Timmeh 01.05.13 @ 4:10 pm

Chryst isn’t the answer…..revisit this post in 2 years.

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.05.13 @ 4:10 pm

It’s become pretty ugly. I think I am going tune out. The ONLY good news today was learning the Tyler Boyd is coming to Pitt. Hopefully with the influx of more talent, next year’s results will be better.

Comment by Justinian 01.05.13 @ 4:11 pm

Good throw Tino!

Comment by Oklahomeboy 01.05.13 @ 4:11 pm

I hope Ole Miss puts up 2 more TD’s

Comment by Timmeh 01.05.13 @ 4:11 pm

I always stay to the END and believe me it is hard sometimes.

Comment by frank MD 01.05.13 @ 4:12 pm

i’m tuning out or I’m gonna say mean things

Comment by Timmeh 01.05.13 @ 4:12 pm

Wasn’t there a CB from Cincinnati today that was going to announce his decision? Any one have anything on that?

Comment by Kenny Powers 01.05.13 @ 4:12 pm

Chas has got to be drunk off his ass right now.

Comment by ECH 01.05.13 @ 4:16 pm

maybe alverez knew something when he didn’t go after chryst..

Comment by goalie44 01.05.13 @ 4:18 pm

He almost had a shuffle pass INTERCEPTED twice. Seriously??

Comment by ECH 01.05.13 @ 4:19 pm

Shame on Chryst!!!
Tino has been treated mire than fairly.
Not playing Anderson is a shitty move.

Comment by SFPitt 01.05.13 @ 4:19 pm

I don’t know. Is he showing loyalty to a senior? I don’t know if I’d call it a shitty move.

Comment by ECH 01.05.13 @ 4:21 pm

Sunseri is going to make next year’s quarterback look stylish.

Comment by Panthoor 01.05.13 @ 4:21 pm

fwiw, that PI call was the same one they didn’t make earlier in the game. Too little, too late.

Comment by Pitt Dad 01.05.13 @ 4:22 pm

surely anderson could’nt be any worse right??? if he is, we are in huge trouble.

Comment by goalie44 01.05.13 @ 4:22 pm

KP: Jaleel Hytchye is announcing at 7 pm est.

Comment by CNorwoodAZ 01.05.13 @ 4:22 pm


Comment by CNorwoodAZ 01.05.13 @ 4:23 pm

It won’t be Anderson next year. It will be Savage.

Comment by ECH 01.05.13 @ 4:23 pm

Wow, completely underestimated how one player could screw up a team so bad…. so much for stepping up to go out in style…

No street cred’ won here today as we enter the ACC…

Now we just have to get over it.

Still… A LOT of good players coming back and now Chryst gets another full off season with his recruits and his team!!

Hail Pitt!

Comment by PittScript 01.05.13 @ 4:23 pm

Goodbye tino! You are going to graduate just in time to start collecting retirement… a 64 year old 36th year senior qb who still makes the same mistakes he did when he was 12

Comment by Big Bill 01.05.13 @ 4:24 pm

Graham not playing really limited options own offense, but really didn’t make much difference. Our worst games this year were vs. teams with fast front sevens, today no different. Linemen can’t just be big, they need some athleticism, and ours don’t have it. Poor Cory King isn’t even out of his stance and his man is past him.

Tino had a good year but he is just so limited. He looks like he is playing in syrup. Telling that down 31-10 in the 4th they are still running the ball on 1st and 2nd down. Like everybody else on here, I won’t miss him.

Really, the D didn’t play horrible, offense and specials put them in bad situations. Still worst beat down since Cincy. Actually a similar game.

Tough day to be a Pitt fan.

Comment by Iron Duke 01.05.13 @ 4:24 pm

Let me put it this way then ECH:
Anderson has given up a year of eligibility for 5 plays.
He has shown much more class than Chryst in this instance.
So yes, it is “shitty”.

Comment by SFPitt 01.05.13 @ 4:24 pm

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Illegal equipment penalty. Just turn the knife.

Comment by CNorwoodAZ 01.05.13 @ 4:25 pm

…now you call it?

Comment by Panthoor 01.05.13 @ 4:25 pm

If Anderson was any good, he’d have been in already.

Comment by Pitt Dad 01.05.13 @ 4:25 pm

guys back off of chryst, he inherited trasho sunseri and the rest of the garbage, he needs time to bring his players in. we are going to be in good hands. we all knew sunseri couldn’t deliver in big games, why are you all surprised, we have seen the same thing for 3 plus years now, tino is a loser and loses, so no shocker that we get blown out. i took a year off to get refreshed from the pitt letdown, so anything is going to be an improvement for me.

Comment by pittisit37 01.05.13 @ 4:26 pm

One more play…….bye bye Tiny Tino!

Comment by Kenny Powers 01.05.13 @ 4:28 pm


Comment by ECH 01.05.13 @ 4:28 pm


Comment by CNorwoodAZ 01.05.13 @ 4:28 pm

Sad day. Pitt coaches have ALOT of work to do.

Comment by frank MD 01.05.13 @ 4:29 pm

OK. Now we can focus on bball. Let’s watch Jamie turn this season back in the right direction against GTown.

Comment by Pitt Dad 01.05.13 @ 4:30 pm


your right about chryst inheriting a lousy qb, not his fault, but for me, I blame him for the team’s lack of emotion, and not ready for games this year. i am glad he stayed for stability, but I don’t see ANY fire from him or most of the team.

Comment by goalie44 01.05.13 @ 4:30 pm

Adios, Sayonara, Ta-Ta, Tino. Don’t let the door hit you on the way out!

Comment by Scott 78 01.05.13 @ 4:30 pm

The Tino era is over.

Comment by MariettaMike 01.05.13 @ 4:31 pm

I’m not surprised that Tino didn’t deliver and I didn’t want Anderson in the game because he was good or better than Tino.
I wanted Anderson to play meaningful downs because he has been a consumate teammate and team player.
Shame on Chryst for not rewarding Anderson for his efforts.

Comment by SFPitt 01.05.13 @ 4:31 pm

Well its a 40 degree day here in Philly so I had to use the time to take down my lights. Just got back in. How did the FB and BB teams do?

Comment by PittStadiumShuffle 01.05.13 @ 4:31 pm

Wow, let’s go sign up this class and get to spring ball! Pitt will be much better next year.

Let’s stay positive and progress this thing forward. If we could only get a new AD and leadership that supports Pitt athletics. Commit to something special Nordy!

Comment by dhuffdaddy 01.05.13 @ 4:31 pm

Why would he play Tino. If Chryst had balls he wouldn’t have.

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.05.13 @ 4:32 pm

Coach Ditka is right. We are Charlie Brown and Lucy just struck again.

At least Pitt has only 3 problems today: offense, defense and special teams.

It’s going to be a long winter in Pittsburgh. Pitt disappoints again possibly in two sports, the Steelers are not in the playoffs and probably no hockey. Hopefully letter of intent day and draft day will be highlights. Optomist (Charlie Brown?)that I am I’ll undoubtedly be looking forward to spring practice, preseason practice and (dare I say it) spring training as will no doubt many of you. Keep the faith! HTP.

Comment by OPFIM 01.05.13 @ 4:32 pm

go get’em next year fellows…pitt’s yearly mantra..

Comment by goalie44 01.05.13 @ 4:34 pm

Chryst has zero emotion and energy. I’m glad he was full of smiles as he was embarrassed by ole miss.

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.05.13 @ 4:34 pm

Not to argue with you SF, but do you really think a couple of late snaps in a blowout of a meaningless exhibition game is payment to Anderson for his positive teammate attributes?

I don’t.

I will look at the flip side and say that Chryst earns a little more loyalty with his players letting the Seniors try to go out together.

Comment by ECH 01.05.13 @ 4:35 pm

Well we know Sir Tino isn’t any good. lol

And so it mercifully ends.

The era of the worst 3 year starting QB in Pitt History. The only Pitt QB EVER to lose to a D2 team and that would be in PITT history. (which is a real long time) Maybe they can include that in the record books.

Cheers and Sayonara Mr. Sunseri

Hail to Pitt !
And Sayonara Sir Tino !
Veritas et Virtus !

Comment by Emel 01.05.13 @ 4:35 pm

Why risk Anderson getting hurt in a meaningless game? And, since he played in only one game, maybe he’s getting a medical RS for this past season? Still, if Anderson gave Pitt a chance to win, I have to believe Chryst would have had him in long before this game.

Comment by Pitt Dad 01.05.13 @ 4:41 pm

One more thing.

Glad I won’t be around when Sir Tino’s future kid shows up on Pitt’s doorstep with his legacy “don’t go to Jail, go directly to starting QB” card

You younger guys will have to endure that ! haha

Comment by Emel 01.05.13 @ 4:42 pm

I do think playing those few plays would have meant something. If they were meaningless for Anderson, they were irrelevant to Tino.
But both are gone.
Neither Tino nor Anderson will wear Pitt uniforms next year.
At least Tino played when burning his eligibilty: Trey got to watch!

Comment by SFPitt 01.05.13 @ 4:47 pm

I don’t believe that Anderson gives us any more chance to win than Tino does; all of our QB’s are terrible. But for God sakes I’d rather see somebody not named Tino go out there and throw interceptions and take sacks.

Comment by Alex P 01.05.13 @ 4:48 pm

The problem I had with Tino (ex QB) is that he can make the easy play some of the time but never the hard play. By hard I mean the difficult play to avoid the sack or make the tough throw, in short under pressure.

Comment by frank MD 01.05.13 @ 4:56 pm

I saw on Rivals that Pitt has 22 recruits listed for the 2013 class. With Tyler Boyd the they have 3 players listed with 4 stars 12 players with 3 stars.

Comment by Justinian 01.05.13 @ 4:59 pm

The defensive coordinator PC selects needs to be an ace recruiter. Did you see the class Ole Miss is putting together? Ole Miss has been arguably the worst fb team in the SEC and not known for It’s great academics. Pitt can do better.

Comment by Pittastic 01.05.13 @ 5:00 pm

No one cares about academics in college football except maybe Stanford.

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.05.13 @ 5:06 pm

The Ivy league was once big time when they de-emphasized athletics. Actually they still are a big deal there, but they don’t offer athletic scholarships and have high admission standards.

Comment by Justinian 01.05.13 @ 5:10 pm

Pitt has a long, long way to go for respectability. We were outplayed and out coached today. We have a lot of work to do preparing for next year or we will jut be the team that assures the opposition a way. Very, very sad……

Comment by DJS 01.05.13 @ 5:11 pm

We picked up Boyd!

Comment by Pittastic 01.05.13 @ 5:15 pm

@Justinian – and some of the alumni get even more apoplectic than any poster on this board about about losing, not recruiting more athletes, etc. Yale’s outgoing President admitted to reducing the athlete admission rate to 13% from the 18% that the Ivy League allows. There was a huge uproar – particularly from former varsity athletes.

Comment by Pitt Dad 01.05.13 @ 5:15 pm

There is something to the lack of emotion and not being ready to play. It happened too man times this year to ignore. Attribute some of that to the sheer mediocrity of the team, but some is also on Chryst, and is my biggest criticism of him after year one.

Comment by Iron Duke 01.05.13 @ 5:19 pm

Say Goodnight Tino.
Goodnight Tino.

Comment by frankarms 01.05.13 @ 5:20 pm

Ray Graham and Cam Saddler both wearing identical olive or brown-colored hooded sweats under their game jerseys instead of the standard navy blue worn by other players.

What’s the story here?

Comment by PittofDreams 01.05.13 @ 5:21 pm

The story is that Boyd committed today. Just read it on scout.

Comment by Pittastic 01.05.13 @ 5:23 pm

Graham had a bad hamstring. Saddler was suspended but permitted to travel with the team.
Don’t know why he was suspended but no one has griped about it. That usually means serious stuff, especially since Saddler has been suspended for the last two games.
I have guesses, but they are nothing more than guesses.

Comment by SFPitt 01.05.13 @ 5:26 pm

Actually Pittastic… there is a story.

But if you’re thinking about the future and trying to forget the past… then I get where you’re coming from.

Comment by PittofDreams 01.05.13 @ 5:40 pm

Just trying to put this day behind us. We took it on the chin but the Boyd news is good. Maybe we can squeeze another 4 star in ….

Comment by Pittastic 01.05.13 @ 5:43 pm

Ladies and gentlemen, the Pitt Panthers won today. Tino Sunseri will never wear a Pitt uniform again.

Good Bye Big Least, Good Bye Tino.

Comment by Coach Ditka 01.05.13 @ 5:44 pm

I don’t know why some folks are getting on Chryst after one year… turns out QB was just exceptionally dysfunctional with no options behind him… he had the incredible skill of doing the wrong thing at the wrong time… big and small.

so today Ole Miss stacks the line and attacks the run…

I say the defense did play well!! they just wore out with all the 3 and outs and short field.

emotion…? Like Holgerson at WVU slamming down his headset, yell, and starting a fight at a casino? Rex Ryan? His demeanor is good for the situation.

Chryst brings Big Ten, winning big boy ball here which is what we need. The man is working a game plan and is not phased by the ups and downs … ins and outs.

I say these guys always knew this year was a ‘throw away’ year but could not tell anyone/or players that. They just needed to get through this year and get their people in place for next…

Now we will see… and we will see good things!

Comment by PittScript 01.05.13 @ 5:53 pm

Anybody else have a sore a$$?

Now the only good to take away from this game is realizing that last year Ole Miss was 2-10. Sooooo wait until next year! LOL

Glad to learn that Boyd will become a Panther though.

Looking forward to next season without Tino.

I’m pretty sure that the sun will still come up tomorrow, but right now it looks pretty dark outside.

Hail to Pitt, even though both teams today played like shit.

Comment by Dr. Tom 01.05.13 @ 5:57 pm

Big Boy Ball in the Big 10? You have to be kidding. The Big 10 is terrible. No you don’t need to scream and yell but every time the camera showed him he was laughing and smiling while he was getting his ass kicked by a SEC doormat and ex girls 9th grade swimming coach. He makes over 1M a year. He is a boring big 10 OC. No more no less. What will the excuses be next year when Clorida State and Clemson and L’Ville embarrass us?

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.05.13 @ 5:58 pm

Since I can remember I’ve heard wait till next year every year in and out. Then next year comes and we still shit the bed.

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.05.13 @ 6:01 pm

PITT’s class up to #27 on 24/7 recruiting site after Boyd’s commitment.

Hytche will announce in like an hour..hopefully we can snag him too so today wont be totally lost

Comment by rhyno527 01.05.13 @ 6:08 pm

Pitt football blows, Pitt bball is on the downswing, the Yankees average starter is 75 years old, the Jets are worse than Pitt, the Nets left the state and the Devils are playing golf. I’m just going to go into sports hibernation for a while.

Comment by Chris 01.05.13 @ 6:16 pm

Coaches look better with better players. Chryst needs to step up his recruiting. Boyd helps but Pitt needs more playmakers. Pitt needs to find someone or two that can really recruit the ACC particularly Florida. Where was the Pitt script today? Don’t read too much into these meaningless bowl games. I am happy that Tino is gone. I am encouraged with the OL depth. Need that CB recruit from Cincy. Also need some more nasties on D. Speed like Joe D says. And some big uglies like FRANKCAN says.

Comment by TX Panther 01.05.13 @ 6:19 pm

@Chris… lol… I hear you.

@upittbaseball… all I’m saying is Wisconsin and Rose bowls are their experience and background… That is our style of football here in WPA… not Big 12, high octane or other bs…. but I get your frustration.

and they came into total dysfunction and a history of disappointment.

If they can’t change the course here, well then…

…but that is not going to happen because they are going to have Pitt Kicking A$$ next year in a division of the ACC we will be competitive in from day one!

All of those redshirts are going to kick tail and now all of a sudden we have a good, big recruiting class and some big, corn feed fellas up front.

yeah, I’ll take that.

Comment by PittScript 01.05.13 @ 6:25 pm

Headed back to ATL from bham. Several observations from being at the game

1) zero energy on PItt sideline
2) Tino is really really bad (I don’t care what anyone says about his Pitt records)
3) O line was pathetic (DJ will be an upgrade in year or two)
4) Pitt fans numbers 7-10k and were vocal and supportive
6) Ole Miss folks really like to Booz it up before during an after the game (no wonder they lost the war)
8) appreciate the invite by BBVA but Birmingham is not a desirable destination
9) Bowl game lacked a bowl game environment
10) Pitt dbacks really struggled to cover. Playing 7 yards off WRs allowed Ole Miss to exploit the quick pass and no huddle (felt like I was watching that sorry fraud Graham offense again)
11) defensive line stayed home in Pittsburgh
12) Shell was a bright spot despite no O line blocking
13) Street is going no where folks. Single coverage today and he couldn’t get open. Boyd will help.

Overall the team showed little desire to play. Saw in on the sideline and on the field. They seemed to have quit. PC should have a lot of open positions next season.

Comment by Pitt fan in Atlanta 01.05.13 @ 6:35 pm

Pitt Atlanta – I just got home from the game too.

Your assessment is 100% right on the money – top to bottom. One note to add – I’m glad that (since they lost) Tino didn’t go ahead of Marino in the record books.

Comment by Pitt Is IT 01.05.13 @ 6:56 pm

just got home from work and watched the game on dvr. a terrible loss to rutgers earlier then this shit? i’m glad i have the ability to do such things because now, we the pitt faithful, will have an unofficial beverage to drown our sorrows in. debuting this thursday 1.10 at voodoo brewery in meadville, pa is a new 8% ipa i have dubbed HTP. if we’re going to continually suck at sports, let’s at least have a pitt themed beverage to imbibe in. chas, hope this is ok… don’t mean to self promote, but i think we can all use a drink after today. at least we got boyd

Comment by usd121 01.05.13 @ 6:57 pm

TX Panther, Rome wasn’t built in a day. I’m pleased with every good recruit Pitt gets. The most pressing need was ofensive linemen. Getting Tyler Boyd is also big. Particularily after losing Foster. Each class you bring in more of what you need. Hail to Pitt!

Comment by Justinian 01.05.13 @ 7:09 pm

Any news on Jaleel? He was supposed to announce at 7:00pm est

Comment by dhuffdaddy 01.05.13 @ 7:15 pm

University of Kentucky

Comment by isnore 01.05.13 @ 7:16 pm

Thanks for good at game summary. Been suffering since 1980.

As I said earlier, Pitt coaches in BB and FB have a lot of work to do.

Pitt FB needs a fast running back and BB needs a consistent scorer.

Comment by frank MD 01.05.13 @ 7:18 pm

Did we get that CB from Cincy. He was a 4 star if stars mean anything.

I’m patient. Year 3 with Chryst will be make or break. Heck, by then Stevie may be gone. That would be progress. And, already Tino is gone so it wasn’t a bad day after all.

Thank you Pitt fans who made the game. H2P!

Comment by TX Panther 01.05.13 @ 7:18 pm

Kentucky? Damn!

Comment by TX Panther 01.05.13 @ 7:20 pm

Script, I don’t care if Chryst ever shows emotion but I want the team to. Read Pitt Fan In Atlanta’s #1 point above; that was evident too frequently this year and again today. At least PART of that is on the coaches.

Comment by Iron Duke 01.05.13 @ 7:21 pm

Jaleel stays near his home by going to UK. Foster runs away from home to Tuscaloosa.

Comment by isnore 01.05.13 @ 7:21 pm

I’m going to toast the end of 2012 season by getting loaded with Bombay Gin.

Similar end to season with an emphasis on the O-line. We need a friggin blue collar, smash mouth line that can actually stand up to a d-line and move THEM backwards.

Comment by Pitt Is IT 01.05.13 @ 7:25 pm

@ Iron Duke,and others… yeah you guys got a good point there… team with no emotion not good…

wonder what was going on in the locker room these past few weeks.

Darn on JH…

Comment by PittScript 01.05.13 @ 7:27 pm

when does wrestling season start…?

Comment by Pitt Is IT 01.05.13 @ 7:28 pm

just a hunch boyd chages mind on LOI day
and goes to MS and foster changes his mind
and comes to pitt.

Comment by FRANKCAN 01.05.13 @ 7:32 pm

Many of the players seemed disinterested and joking, etc. Even saw a few at the fence talking with people – family/friends I assume – during the game.

The other thing that bothers me are the numbers of injuries we continuously seem to have every game. Is this bad luck or poor conditioning? I tend to think it is conditioning.

Comment by Pitt Is IT 01.05.13 @ 7:32 pm

WPIAL has some great players who will be seniors next year. Hope we are recruiting them and offering vigorously.

Comment by frank MD 01.05.13 @ 7:37 pm

The PIAL has some good players, but we need to get beyond our backyard and look to better grounds if we are going to get over the hump of mediocrity.

Comment by Pitt Is IT 01.05.13 @ 7:46 pm

I’m tired of hearing about the PIAL at the college level.

Comment by Pitt Is IT 01.05.13 @ 7:47 pm

Again the pial is good if you are at Gannon or cal u. Pitt needs 70% of roster from Florida and Texas.

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.05.13 @ 7:56 pm

My point exactly baseball. Getting locals from the PIAL in the 70’s and 80’s was the way to go. Aside from the 1-2 who really shine at the collegiate level, the PIAL is no longer the end all be all.

Comment by Pitt Is IT 01.05.13 @ 8:02 pm

Who is Pitts guy to recruit outside the area? They need several with ties to the ACC and not friggen wisconsin or big ten. They need young guys who can sell the program first and then be coaches second. With so few playmakers and depth, if a frosh was any good, they would start or be second string. Chryst needs to start burning those red shirts. Why Voytik got no experience this year is beyond me. He might have even been able to work a comeback or two and that could have led to a better bowl and more confidence going into the ACC.

Maybe Foster will change his mind. I hope Boyd doesn’t. Seems like this Cincy DB was offered by KY first and his family has ties to Dermonti Dawson per KY message boards.

Thank you all who attended the game and represented Panther nation. H2P!

Comment by TX Panther 01.05.13 @ 8:39 pm

The kids in south play football all year…. The teams at ages 7 to 12 are running spread offenses and are way more advanced than we ever were in WPIAL. I have friends who kids are on a traveling team in Louisiana under the Evangel system and they played a national deal in San Antonio this week they are elite 12 year olds and they would have beat handing oh 8th and 9th grade teams back in sw pa. Just stating what I see. Same in Deep South all the way to Florida. Sw pa has a few good men but you build teams with these kids. Heck most teams here in Fort Worth have 7 to 10 kids each year go D1. Tat was unheard of even for our top quad A programs back home.

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.05.13 @ 8:43 pm

Tx panther….. Lets go grab a beer one day. My treat.

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.05.13 @ 8:45 pm

UK football is what Hunts is to Ketchup.
Hell’s fire. Bear Bryant is their winningest coach.
The WPIAL is highly over rated. Sure there are a few very good players, but Cleveland is much better.

Comment by SFPitt 01.05.13 @ 9:06 pm

Glad this year is over. Hard to tell how much of the blame is on Chryst for today. Loses his D coordinator and middle linebacker. On offense we leave home a starter from an already depleted line. Ray Graham, the heart and soul of the team is out.

Tino starts out with a totally stupid interception.

Although Pitt Fan in Atlanta says the 7-10 thousand Pitt Fans in attendance were supportive, you couldn’t tell it on TV. It seems like the only geeked up fans are here on Blather.

It sounds like the players gave up because without Graham the game was in Tino’s hands. Other than Thomas and Hendricks didn’t seem like anyone cared. Donald was being double teamed.

Maybe you can blame the attitude on the Coach, but it seems to me at this level, motivation should come from within. Maybe I’m old school, but when your getting your ass kicked on the scoreboard, don’t you want to inflict a little pain to make them pay for it. All I saw was them hitting us.

Comment by gc 01.05.13 @ 9:07 pm

I think Panther Prey gave a great rundown of the PA recruits for next year. Pitt must get several of those players including Grimm.

Comment by frank MD 01.05.13 @ 9:07 pm

What in God’s name made me leave the office at 10:30, to come home and watch both games, instead of finishing up 2012 accounting??? Could have crossed all the t’s and dotted all the i’s and gone in fresh and ready Monday morning.

Wait, of course my love of Pitt is the answer.

Let me re-phrase that. What in God’s name made me think that I would bolt the office early, to come home and watch rebound off of a terrible home loss on Monday, to smack Rutgers around by 10 or 15???

Then I would switch channels, to watch a fired up Pitt team hold on for an exciting 3 point win against Ole Miss of the SEC???

Why, why, why???? Why would I even lull myself into that kind of belief. I mean, I’m 47, I’ve been through this ad nauseum. What in my mind, would give me some kind of hope for an exciting Pitt day!!!!

I have to be off my rocker.

Comment by Dan 01.05.13 @ 9:11 pm

At least when football stinks, we usually had the hoop team to fall back on.

They should replace ‘Sweet Caroline’ with ‘What Kind of Fool am I?’.

Comment by Dan 01.05.13 @ 9:17 pm

should of played Chad Voytik this year especially with Trayvon Chapman coming in next basically only QB on roster for next year is Savage ..curse of Tino will continue to haunt us :(l

Comment by Tsingtao44 01.05.13 @ 9:21 pm

for some reason only QB with experience is Tom Savage..tyhats what it should say

Comment by Tsingtao44 01.05.13 @ 9:25 pm

Terrish Webb???

Comment by isnore 01.05.13 @ 9:25 pm

Jo Jo Kemp???

Comment by isnore 01.05.13 @ 9:33 pm

Dan I’m 46 and planned my day around these games. Slow learners I guess ;).

GC, players as leaders also responsible for making sure team is ready to play. Not sure this team had those leaders.

Every coach can be fooled now an then, thinking the team is ready when they are not. Reality is, this was a meaningless exhibition between two 6-6 teams, Pitt was banged up, and were back in the BBVA for year #3. And maybe Chryst placed more value on the practices than the game? As a fan, I think this program needs every win it can get. Ole Miss sure looked like they were ready to play and excited to finish the season with a win. Before the game, I said I wouldn’t be disappointed if they lost but seemed motivated and didn’t get blown out. Well, I’m disappointed.

Comment by Iron Duke 01.05.13 @ 9:38 pm

Interesting point iron duke. I did not see a single player get in the face of others on the field OR on the sidelines. I watched for that and there were a bunch of individuals hangin out all day long. As for the comment about not hearing the Pitt faithful from another poster above, the stadium was sold out at 60,000. If Pitt had 7-10,000, I think the other 50,000 fans in red drowned us all out. They even stole sweet Caroline from us in a mocking way.

Comment by Pitt it Is 01.05.13 @ 9:56 pm

Based on the excitement of the Ole Miss fans it must have been a thrill for them to end up in any bowl (3-5 SEC, 6-6 overall). They treated it like big game. Tailgating and all. Their team played like it. That was palpable in the stands.

Pitt fans were between the 40-20 yard line to the right of our bench. Fans were very supportive as the PITT band kept us going (got to love the Pitt band). We were definitely way out numbered which was surely evident on TV but we were loud. Loved the time the Ole Miss band began playing “sweet Caroline” in the 1st Q and the Pitt fans high jacked the verses with “let’s go Pitt… Go Pitt Go Pitt”. The ole Miss fans seemed disoriented.

Overall a decent bowl but it was obvious that the team was distracted and disconnected from this game. Saw no one getting amped up. No coaches. No players. It had the feel of a long practice session with a bunch of players standing around watching the coaches run through a series of playes.
Just my opinion but it did seems like anyone wanted it today.

Comment by PITT fan in Atlanta 01.05.13 @ 10:01 pm

TEX PANTHER ask yourself why did the DC leave before the bowl game whould he have made a difference,
or better still why did they not make him stay.

whell it is all in the past now at least no more tino.

BUT now what kind of DC will we get a good one or one they can get on the cheap.
he has had time to think on it so lets hope it dont take a long time.

who ever it is i hope he can recruit in the south
say orlando FL and that part of the good old usa.

Comment by FRANKCAN 01.05.13 @ 10:07 pm

Just found this on JH… if true we never had a shot at him…

link to

Great insights above from everyone, thanks. Sounds like this was a transition year for everyone. Now let’s see how they reload and fire off next fall.

Does anyone know how they organized their conditioning and strength training… how different from before? Sure hope they know how to get the guys up front strong…

Comment by PittScript 01.05.13 @ 10:13 pm

Team speed for ole Miss was definitely faster which made a difference. Didn’t notice an overall better group of athletes though. Coaching was even. P teams were pretty much even minus desire.

Pitt will need to overall better team speed starting with QB, D line and O line. Our O line has size but slow feet. Very few lanes opened today.

WR and TE were matched step for step today. Not one could create separation. Route running needed to be superb given lack of separation speed. Ole Miss loaded the box on D as they realized we could separate and Tino could make the throws.

Tino looked pathetic. Slow feet. Slow decisions. Just slow. Without Graham he was our go to guy and he couldn’t deliver. The first INT occurred in slow motion. The do jumped the wr before the ball left Tino’s hand and he still threw it.

Special teams make bad chip ounce after bad choice. Fielding it inside the 19. Returning balls from endzone. Didn’t see much corrective coaching.

Coaching / play calling was limited to Shell which didn’t work. I wonder how much of letting the seniors time off played a role in performance. Did they see this game as a read and less an opportunity? Sure felt like it.

The only good thing about the game was the excitement and energy of the Pitt band. They seemed thrilled to be there. Maybe we should have suited up a few :)

Comment by PITT fan in Atlanta 01.05.13 @ 10:16 pm

Even the ole miss crowd near me was saying the band was good.

Comment by Pitt it Is 01.05.13 @ 10:22 pm

My two cents: I don’t care who the QB is next year as long as they can occasionally make a play with their feet. I truly believe that Tino is slower than Marino was…Shell is a stud. No he is not a burner, he is more of a banger. We are going to have one hell of good time watching that kid and our OL take games over in the next couple of seasons.

Comment by HbgFrank 01.05.13 @ 10:50 pm

Dan – hope you are not saying the same thing when you are 62! Like I am…

Comment by Dan 72 01.05.13 @ 11:19 pm

The Pitt football program has gone through a lot in the last two years. From the firing of Dave Wannstedt to the Heywood mess, to the Graham one year circus. The players had go through unusual instability from an interum coach, a quick hire and dismissal and a complete transition in everything with the move to spread offence. Within a year, Graham bolts to ASU without even talking to his players. The university and the team have to endure yet another coaching search, before Paul Chryst is hired. They they have to go through all the changes in offensive and defensive systems again. Recruiting suffers and Pitt brings in smaller classes that they would have liked. Not to mention the differences it personel necessary for the dramatically differing systems. Hey after all that crap, we’re LUCKY players still want to come and play at Pitt. As far as I’m concerned, it’s time to turn the page on this period and move on.

Comment by Justinian 01.06.13 @ 6:48 am

Yesterday was my 70th birthday….my present was knowing that we will REALLY start over next year…ACC…new quarterback….better O Line and….a coach who has lost his virginity under intense fire and is ready to roll with a team that wants to win.

Comment by isnore 01.06.13 @ 7:31 am

It is time to fire Pederson. Our entire athletic department reflects his poor skills. Pitt continually underachiever for good reason.
There isn’t an overachiever in the entire department and Pedersons legacy of failure as outlined by Justinian haunts our football team.
As the mens hoops team sees it’s weaknesses exploited on the hardwood, so too will our entire athletic department.
It really does start at the top. And that is where we are weakest.
I would hire away an athletic director from Appalachian State or its FBS equivalent. Someone who has proven that they can lead, fundraise (Pederson can’t raise money with shit) and has achieved success.
Pitt has a small athletic department populated with small minds. No secret why we fail.

Comment by SFPitt 01.06.13 @ 7:35 am

HERE HERE,Justinian!

Comment by barreman 01.06.13 @ 7:50 am

Barreman, In little League baseball, when one of the kids made an error, we would tell them. “On to the next play!” You have to be positive in life. The thinking was to not let them get down on themselves and obsess over a mistake, but to move on. At Pitt, it’s time to move on.

Comment by Justinian 01.06.13 @ 8:03 am

Did anyone here know that Tyler Boyd’s step-brother is Tyrique Jarrett (DT) who I believe was recruited 2 years ago but went to JUCO or prep school last year?

Comment by wbb 01.06.13 @ 8:10 am

I agree SFPitt. The attitude of the entire department needs to change for Pitt sports to undergo a rebirth. Both Nordy and Stevie need to be shown the door. Academics won’t fall off the cliff without precious Nordy. But the athletic side in all sports might just take off. Pitt needs the script back, funds for an on campus stadium, a large recruiting budget, a large budget for assistant coach salaries, and that’s just for starters. This won’t happen without an emphasis on athletics. So bye bye nerdy Nordy. This won’t happen without money from boosters. So bye bye alienating smug smiley Steve. And wtf is happening with Jamie and his team? Has he forgotten how to coach? Have his players quit on him? Maybe it is Miller time. We Pitt fans can’t move on to another day if people hold us back and obstruct like Stevie and Nordy. They need to get the hell out of the way or else we are doomed to reruns of ground hog day.

Comment by TX Panther 01.06.13 @ 8:15 am

On the ESPN site, under recruiting it says, Pitt rebounds with Boyd. They quote Meatloaf saying “Two out of three ain’t bad.” They go on to mention even with losing Robert Foster, Pitt got 2 of the top 3 targets in western PA in Tyler Boyd and Dorrian Johnson. A sweep would have better, but two out three ain’t bad.

Comment by Justinian 01.06.13 @ 8:23 am

did you see that the Bills are hiring Doug Marone, Syracyse coach?

Comment by wbb 01.06.13 @ 8:52 am

Well guys, as I suspected, the sun did rise again this morning, thats good. I’m glad to realize that the Boyd committment wasn’t something I only dreamed about last night, however I wish that the bowl game would have simply been a nightmare that I came up with in my imagination while snoozing last night though.

No way around it, we were simply outplayed and out hustled yesterday. Yes, the Pitt defense got beat but the Pitt offense just got decimated. The O gave us no chance to win this game, really bad.

As those who were at the game have confirmed, the focus and desire was on the Ole Miss sideline while Pitt looked unmotivated. I’m not sure if Chryst is ever going to be the guy that will wear his heart on his sleeve, providing motivation by getting in his player’s faces on the sidelines yelling and screaming, but really, SOMEBODY has to step into that role to provide some direction and leadership going forward with this team.

When I think of the current senior players, only a couple/three guys stand out as the go to, would be leaders of this group. Obviously Sunseri, Graham, then Jacobson, who has been there forever and then maybe Shanahan. IMO, none of those guys were showing any enthusiasm in this game yesterday. Graham was invisible on the sideline in fact.

I’m not saying that this lack of leadership and motivation was the reason we lost the game but going forward, irrespective of how good our recruiting class ends up or how well the coaching staff instructs the players or how intricate the playbook becomes, WITHOUT that spark provided by the leadership of the team, we will continue to be plagued by mediocrity.

College football is a game of emotion and momentum. If your head is not in the game, you are going to get it handed to you by the motivated guy on the other side of the ball everytime.

I hate to use Sunseri as the scapegoat, since he is such an easy target, but the QB of the team has to be the go to leader of the offense or else, IMO, the team is in trouble right out of the gate.

I don’t have a feel about Tom Savage’s leadership potential. But from all that I’m hearing, he is the anointed one to step into Tino’s role for next year. I could give a $hit about his game experience or his arm strength, etc. If I’m the HC, I’m looking for the guy going forward who is going to give this team the leadership that has so obviously lacked these last few years.

I hope that Chryst gives both Voytik and Chapman a good hard look in that regard, irrespective of their current raw abilities at QB. Either one can learn the positon on the job, in the heat of battle as far as I’m concerned. As long as they lead the team while doing so. That is one thing that Tino never got right and, IMO, has been one of the most blatant deficiencies that Sunseri possessed during his entire Pitt career. I sincerely hope that Chryst can get the next QB right and correct that glaring problem come next season.

Comment by Dr. Tom 01.06.13 @ 9:02 am

Upittbaseball, we should round up other blathers in the area and meet and greet at some central location in arlington after work sometime. I know there is a dallas pitt club that meets for games from time to time. But they always meet in north dallas somewhere and that’s 40 miles away for me. I’m a tarrant county boy livin in rural mansfield and only venture into dallas county for work. Tarrant is like the old west…guns, beer, wild characters and loose women. Dallas is too yuppie, plastic and artificial for me. It has no soul. Pittsburgh has soul. I have a fondness for cow town, ft worth, because its comfortable with itself. And yes, Pitt could steal a recruit or two from this area but it probably wouldn’t be a good tradeoff between cost and benefit. Florida however could work again with serious committment and the pipeline of success with lower star talent from that state proves it. My son may be the only Texas recruit Pitt gets. And he’ll only be a 3 star kicker.

Comment by TX Panther 01.06.13 @ 9:09 am

Dr. Tom, The one thing that no one can say about you, is that you don’t care about the Pitt Panthers. Hail to Pitt!

Comment by Justinian 01.06.13 @ 9:14 am

I just want an honesty open competition for QB. If Savage is the pick because he beats out the kids then great, but a guy that transfers as much as he has; has some quit in him. Not a good sign…

Comment by Pittastic 01.06.13 @ 9:26 am

From staff writer Jerry DiPaola at the Trib, “Boyd could push for playing time right away at Pitt. The Panthers lose two of their top receivers from this year‘s team in Mike Shanahan and Cameron Saddler. Boyd already has qualified academically to compete as a freshman. His verbal commitment makes four Clairton players at Pitt — Boyd, Howard, Trenton Coles and Kevin Weatherspoon. Terrish Webb was offered a scholarship in November and soon is expected to make a verbal commitment to the Panthers”.“All my brothers are at Pitt,” Boyd said. “I am just trying to join the family.”

If Terrish Webb ends up committing to Pitt also, it will be quite a pipeline that Chryst established out of Clairton for this year. I hope that they have more good gets from there available come 2014. With such great inroads that were established with this current class, Pitt should have the inside track on Clairton recruits come next year.

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Comment by Dr. Tom 01.06.13 @ 9:40 am

@ Justinian, my weekend mood would be much improved it I didn’t bleed Blue and Gold, I can tell you that. My wife just says, without even having to watch the game, “I see that Pitt lost” when I come up for dinner from my man cave. She actually thinks its hilarious how wrapped up I get in the fortunes of Pitt football.

I really wish that I could shake it, but ever since attending Pitt, I’ve always lived and died Pitt Football.

Hail to Pitt!

Comment by Dr. Tom 01.06.13 @ 9:46 am


Women’s Basketball score from last night—-
Seton Hall 69 Lady Panthers 56

Stevie has an athletic department disaster on all

Also, Syracuse’s Marrone interviewed with the Bills, however, many are saying that Lovie Smith has the inside track for the job. One thing for sure Wannstach’s putrid defenses will be changed.
Dave it’s time to hang ’em up.

Comment by isnore 01.06.13 @ 9:50 am

Dr. Tom, It was a tough day for Pitt fans. So, it was nice to hear about the Boyd deciding on Pitt. Back in the Majors and Sherrill eras, we got the very best of the local kids, as our nucleus, and still were able to attact talented players like Hugh Green and Ricky Jackson, from other parts of the country. The key is to first go after and get, the best local players. As you begin to have success, more and more players will consider playing at Pitt.

Comment by Justinian 01.06.13 @ 9:58 am

Pitt must continue to be in very very close contact with its recruits until signing day. Commitments are nice but signing is the thing.

There are still good recruits undeclared out there. Pitt needs speed RBs.

Comment by frank MD 01.06.13 @ 10:01 am

For those interested in bowl results:
PAC 12 4 – 3
B12 4 – 5
BE 2 – 2
ACC 4 – 1
B10 2 – 5
SEC 5 – 3

Comment by frank MD 01.06.13 @ 10:14 am

With Rushel Shell getting heavier and slower by the day… Isaac Bennett not seeing the field… and Malcolm Crockett looking to be more average than good… Pitt desperately needs to find some speed to put in the backfield before next year.

Maybe the answer is to tell Tyler Boyd to start bulking up with some protein powder from GNC?

Comment by PittofDreams 01.06.13 @ 10:16 am

PittDreams, All of that disapears when the offenive line gets better. Rushel Shell is a physical runner when the offensive line gets a good forward push a 3 yard run becomes 8 yards. I think the biggest issue for the running backs right now is blocking when you don’t have the ball and picking up blitzes. It takes a while to develop those skills.

Comment by Justinian 01.06.13 @ 10:28 am

I can understand the lack of emotion and here is why it happened! When players know (and they do), that the opportunity to win with Tino at the helm is minimal at best, the reality is that it doesn’t matter how you play because the tape shows…he is terrible. This bowl exercise was an exercise in run blocking and trying to get out of Birmingham without a blowout.

The larger issue with Pitt is that Steve Pederson must go. Now, that person has no emotion. Google the AD’s from the top 20 programs in the country and Pederson would not even rank as an associate AD. Bar none, he is the worst. Pitt athletics is so far behind in all sports since he got here, not just football.

Say what you want about the support from Nordy, but if Pederson was worth his own weight and felt he needed more money for athletic funding, he would have REQUIRED the funds or put his own job on the line. He should have gone to Nordy and said this to appeal to the academic side of Nordy’s brain :

If you want an “A” program, I need the following. If you want a “C” program, I need the following.
If you want a “D” program, I need the following.

That is how it works in higher education. That is how it works at my institution, which year in and year out ranks in the top 20 in most all sports. Once the expectation and commitment level is established, the AD either performs and executes, or he must go. If you are confident enough in your skill set to get it done, you don’t worry about the expectations, you just execute. Simple, simple, simple!

Comment by dhuffdaddy 01.06.13 @ 10:43 am

If shell keeps eating like he is he will be a fullback. Not impressed in the least. You need speed not Ton Dayne. It isn’t 1995. Everything about our AD and teams are archaic. The style, the skill sets…….except the passion. There is zero passion. No leaders and coach has the emotion of a 90 year old corpse. Kids feed off each other and the leader. We have a C+ OC leading our team. Nothing more nothing less.

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.06.13 @ 10:50 am

WOW..I was wrong…Doug Marrone says goodbye to the “Cuse and is hired by the Bills.

I haven’t looked at the Orange recruits, however, this could be a very interesting development if some of the better talent decides to look elsewhere.

Comment by isnore 01.06.13 @ 10:52 am

I honesty wouldn’t hire Peterson as an AD of a high school program. I’ve personal seen him work and talk to athletes and his agendas are all a joke. We just laughed at him when he talked? I’m guessing he was never successful in athletics or business.

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.06.13 @ 10:53 am

Syracuse has one player of interest, Augustus Edwards a running back from Noo Yawk with a huge offer sheet that includes Pitt. He is listed as a ***.

Comment by isnore 01.06.13 @ 11:00 am

PittofDreams, I couldn’t agree more. A change of pace back is needed, hoping there is still one to come in this class. Can’t have enough depth at RB. How many backs did Ole Miss roll in and out yesterday? Didnt notice any drop off when their #1 went down with a hammy. Every recruiting class should have at least one high-target RB and QB.

Comment by Iron Duke 01.06.13 @ 11:07 am

Even if Rushel Shell is the next Ironhead, running backs get hurt and you need more than one. Remember Elliott Walker.

One thing Pitt has had is great runners, Dorsett, Walker, McMillan, Heyward, Gladman, Goldberg, recently McCoy, Lewis and Graham. I am sure I have forgotten a more than a few.

From what I have seen, I am not ready to annoint Schell as the next great one. I sure hope he is, and if he he works hard in the weight room, and stays healthy he could be. Hopefully the O line will be better next year.

He certainly does not have the flash and pass the eye test like the last three. We sure could use a couple with break-a-way speed.

And we still need linebackers.

Comment by gc 01.06.13 @ 11:40 am

I am ready to annoint Shell as the next great power back at Pitt. Will not be the game breaker that Shady and Graham have been. But there will be games where that kid literally carries the team to victory. Frankly, the whole team looked like they had plenty to eat over the Holidays. Most disappointing was the defense that looked similar to the defense in game one (YSU).

Comment by HbgFrank 01.06.13 @ 12:46 pm

Did folks see the PG today (can’t find online) interviews with Saban and Kelly about NFL options… Saban’s comments were pretty strong… if he is for real I now know why he recruits so well and now doubt Foster will be reeled back here unless his family can convince him (his mom).

Shell is a paradox because if he is that good it would be nice to see more ‘flash’ through the holes… yet I think his reputation is keeping other RB recruits away (why come here when the ‘next Doresett’ might be in front of you for 2-3 yrs).

I just focus optimistically on this new staff and really think this guy is a professional who is calmly working a game plan and has been at successful programs that focus on power football combined with some modern trends.

… because Nordenberg is not going anywhere soon, period…. and I don’t think P. is either…

BTW, an honest (not rhetorical) question to those that know a lot more than me… has the problem been Pitt’s inability to have a good AD in place over these years? Haven’t all the ADs for some time just been really bad? P. might be controversial, but the folks before him were not very good… and wasn’t Long weak too?

So if we dump P. who do we get? Isn’t this guy Cochran (I think) the V. Chancellor the guy behind the curtain and is he part of the problem?

Comment by PittScript 01.06.13 @ 12:56 pm

I think Dave Wannstedt would be an up-grade as Pitt’s Athletic Director, but after they way he was let go, I doubt he would even consider it.

Comment by Justinian 01.06.13 @ 1:49 pm

Nordy has let it be known to insiders and the public I believe that his retirement will be soon. I figure in the next 2 to 3 years. Now why stevie didn’t go to nerdy and say I want an elite football program and better overall sports programs is because even smiley knows that his boss is fine being mediocre athletically. I for one am not and I will not donate a friggen penny to athletics until both are gone. I will however continue donating to the academic side. Why can’t Pitt be a well rounded university with proper balance and focus? Because we’ve got the wrong leadership.

Comment by TX Panther 01.06.13 @ 2:11 pm

You hire EJ! He’s smart, well organized, boosters love him and he bleeds blue and gold.

For chanecellor, you replace nordy when he retires with someone who actually wants to excel in both academics and athletics and knows how this can be accomplished. I would chose Michigan, Stanford and Notre Dame as examples.

Comment by TX Panther 01.06.13 @ 2:17 pm

Let me get this straight, we want to fire our chancellor because our football team isn’t good enough? Some people have their priorities WAY out of order. What a joke. Though Pitt grads were better than that…

Comment by Jon 01.06.13 @ 2:32 pm

Maybe if you quit donating to the academic side and tell them it is because of SP and their vision of the athletic dep’t you would pack a bigger punch.
By not donating to athletic dep’t makes no sense if that is what you want to grow.

Comment by frankarms 01.06.13 @ 2:50 pm

PittScript, there is no “flash” with Shell, he is all “boom”. I think that we tend to expect far too much from our true freshman in football and basketball (usually because some extraordinary true freshman on some other team is able to excel). This is what I know about Shell: I have watched him put his head down and gain a yard when there was no place to run. I have seen him blast though the middle and drag a player or two for a few yards. I have seen him come around the corner and put a saftety who had him lined up for the big hit on their backside. To me, these things are just as special as the flash and dash back that breaks off a long run. Both types of players can impact a game significantly. A year of learning his blocking assignments combined with off season conditioning will improve the finer points of Shells game. In case you can’t already tell, I can’t wait to see that kid be our full time back. Add in a QB who forces the defense to back off the line of scrimmage and we could be looking at a 1500 yard season for Shell.

Comment by HbgFrank 01.06.13 @ 3:03 pm

Our nordy is one of the reasons why our athletic programs suck. I want his replacement when he retires to have a much better athletic acumen than this nerd. And don’t worry our academic prowness won’t fall off the cliff. And we won’t need to cheat to reach that next level. I want far better overall sports programs, a relevant football program and a final 4 in basketball. If you don’t think nordy is fine being mediocre, you should know better than that. Nobody is sayin fire the nerd for your reason stated. I am sayin his replacement better love both athletics and academics. That means not taking forever to build olympic sport facilities and still be waiting for a track. That means not being a cheap ass monkey bastard. That means making sports a priority and not an after thought. Continued excellence in academics with a focus on achieving greatness in sport. Other schools can do it with the right leadership. When I tell people I went to Pitt they don’t ever engage me in conversation about sat scores or the number of rhodes scholars or that crazy shit being done by pitt and upmc that is just mind fuckin boggling. No they give me shit about football and basketball. I need some shit to shove back in their faces. My degree like it or not is defined by more than just academics and us news rankings. Its also defined by the AP and USA today polls. And how my alma mater performs on national tv. Please jon get off your high horse.

Comment by TX Panther 01.06.13 @ 3:04 pm

Everyone who reads and posts on here knows that everyone hates Pederson. I don’t get why everyone feels the need to repeat it over and over and over and over. Also, if you are going to post about him, how about actually spelling his name correctly. It isn’t Peterson. I don’t get why after a football loss people pile on Pederson. He doesn’t cause the team to lose games. Besides going to the script or making the mythical Pitt stadium in Panther Hollow, what exactly do you want the guy to do? He fired Wanny because the football team was becoming stagnant. Most of the facilities at Pitt are top notch.

Also any talk about how Nordy isn’t a good Chancellor is insane. The improvement the University has made under him is amazing.

What does Wanny know about running an athletic department? All Wanny knows is how to be a bad football coach. I mean Wanny couldn’t even make bowl games some years at Pitt. Chryst a coach learning on the job to be a head coach with many growing pains made a bowl game this year.

Speaking of Chryst, his first season was not a success in my book. Blew lots of winnable games and the team didn’t show up for multiple games including the Bowl game. For all the talk about how Tino was improved, he wasn’t more successful at what actually matters winning games. So he barely threw any INTs. Big freaking deal. I’m pretty sure I’d rather have a qb who throws 4tds and 2ints over the qb who takes no chances and gets 1td no picks and lots of stalled drives.

Comment by Wardapalooza 01.06.13 @ 3:07 pm

@TX Panther – donate to the Pitt Band. The contribution form I get from the Alumni Fund has a box to direct the contribution there. And, as yesterday showed, the Band is worthy of our support.

Comment by Pitt Dad 01.06.13 @ 3:18 pm

For those interested in bowl results:
PAC 12 4 – 3
B12 4 – 5
BE 2 – 2
ACC 4 – 1
B10 2 – 5
SEC 5 – 3

Comment by frank MD 01.06.13 @ 10:14 am

Thanks frank Md

Big East was 3-2 though.

L-Ville, Cincy & Cuse won. Rutgers & you know who lost.

Comment by Emel 01.06.13 @ 3:42 pm

The book on Shell from Day One has been “power back”. He had enough speed to run away from kids in high school but even then, most of his yardage was gained dragging half the defense with him. He never had what anyone would term “breakaway speed” at this level.

Some of you really need to start seeing the player that’s there and what he brings as opposed to hoping he becomes something he isn’t geared to be. He’s not a shifty, open-field back like Dion Lewis or Ray Graham or Lesean McCoy, but that’s not to say he won’t eventually be as good or better.

In fact, he’s very much tailor-made for this offensive scheme. He has enough burst to get through the hole and into the second level of the defense, and then enough strength to make life miserable for LBs and DBs that have to finish the job. As he gets older, he will continue to add strength that will allow him to break more tackles at the line of scrimmage.

We need to remember we’re talking about a true freshman here. He’s a kid playing in some cases against guys who are 3-4 years older. Yet how many times this season did we see him rip off runs of 7 yards or 8 yards, dragging three or four with him?

Do they need a back to compliment him? Absolutely, especially someone who can work a little bit more out of the backfield and make defenders miss when they’re out in space.

But by the time he’s done here, I think we’ll see far more games out of Shell like what we saw against VT, gashing the defense for six or seven yards a carry and breaking them down to the point that they wanted nothing to do with him by the fourth quarter.

Comment by Stoosh 01.06.13 @ 3:48 pm

What stands OUT in the Bowl conf. record is again the Big Stench (big 10) at 2-5. Yet all the media wants to talk about is the SEC not winning all of theirs.

The Big Stench almost annually flops in bowl season so much so it’s an annually holiday tradition.

And now we have to put up with five (5) of their crummy games on New Year’s day. Oy Vey

This is one person WHO WON’T BE WATCHING.

p.s. agree wholeheartedly with Stoosh.
Maybe we get that RB from Florida to compliment Shell. Although Crockett did well yesterday in that role and then for some reason he didn’t get his number called again. Sad that Ray Ray ended his career with not being able to play. He was one of the most entertaining Pitt RB’s EVER.
What could have been in 2011.

Comment by Emel 01.06.13 @ 4:14 pm

Stoosh, All I know is that after the Virginia Tech game, he’s the guy all of the VA Tech people talked about. The offensive linemen were blocking well and he was hitting the holes and dragging people with him for a LOT of yards after contact. He’s a different type of runner than Ray Graham. I think if you get the big uglies in front of him blocking well, he’ll get you the extra yards.

Comment by Justinian 01.06.13 @ 4:19 pm

ACC was 4-2 in Bowl Games.

With Duke & NC State losing.

And FSU, Clemson, GT, & VT winning.

At least we’re going to a conf. that we should be immediately competitive in. Other than FSU & Clemson, are the other schools are very inconsistent from one year to another. Just like us. And our biggest advantage will be:

We will be Tinoless !!!

And that makes today a Wonderful day in the Neighborhood ! :-)

Comment by Emel 01.06.13 @ 4:21 pm

I have to wonder about Chryst, even though overall I think he did a decent job in his first year as HC ever…there is always a learning curve in every job. My main concern is how he was unflinching in his support of Tino all year — even if he thought Anderson was worse, hard to believe, you’d think he would have benched Tino once in a while to get his attention and light a fire…help him ‘watch’ the game and maybe learn for next week? Imagine his feeling going from Russell Wilson last year and his Heisman caliber year to having to trot Tino out there every week…had to gut him.

Everyone thinks Savage, Voytik, Anderson will be better next year as QB — even Chapman maybe — but how much can we trust Chryst’s judgement after this frequently brutal year? Don’t know what to think really, but happy Tino and his never accept responsibility act is finally gone.

Yeah it wasn’t all his fault and we need upgrades and better performances from a bunch of areas, but I saw a better O line and more talent/speed than apparently some of you saw this year. Of course we’re not ‘Bama or Oregon but that was a 9-3 team talent wise in my book and we sorely underperformed this year…again. Sucks for the seniors but I think Chryst will be smarter next year — just hope he isn’t so loyal to his next QB if he underperforms and needs to ride the pine for a bit. Looking forward to the ACC.

Comment by Matt N. 01.06.13 @ 4:33 pm

@ Emel, yes you definitely are absent of a Tino! LOL

Comment by Dr. Tom 01.06.13 @ 4:47 pm

For those supporting Shell I agree with you and my comment was a concern with not seeing that “flash” or burst into the hole… just did not seem to be hitting the right hole hard and fast… perhaps other factors than him.
He is a man among boys when he hits people.

I guess my main point is we need him to be a great back because his reputation is probably keeping aware RB recruits this year and probably next…

Next year will be a good year.

Comment by PittScript 01.06.13 @ 5:01 pm

*Agreed on giving to the band. They were tops this year in representing Pitt

* A mentally challaged 8 year old would be a better athletic director than SPederson and put more energy into promoting Pitt and pleasing the fans and alums. What has happened to the enthusiasm, image and results of Pitt’s Football program under his watch is a travesty.

* A new HC has a learning curve. Chryst has had his. Enough. Let’s see some F’n results.

* Don’t remember the name of our QB from the last three years. Don’t want to remember…will not think or speak it again.

Comment by Dan 72 01.06.13 @ 5:07 pm

I really liked what I saw from Shell. Runs north to south and lays the wood. I would not want to tackle him in the secondary. A better o line will help as will a year of mental and physical maturity. Is he Dorsett? No. No one is. I saw Dorsett all 4 years: the ND game at Pitt Stadium his jr. Year was where his legend was born. His junior year!
Get rid of Pederson.
Someone on this board slandered mentally challenged 10 year olds worldwide by saying they could do a better job than Pederson. Shame on you!! They would run circles around this ill humored clown!

Comment by SFPitt 01.06.13 @ 5:20 pm

Sorry Dan…it was challenged 8 year olds….8 year olds could do a much better job…when they hit 10 is when they run circles around Ole Cyanide Steve.

Comment by SFPitt 01.06.13 @ 5:22 pm

Wow. The blog is filled with folks who are losing their mind

1) Rushel Shell is a top back in the country end of story. Give him a decent OLine and he will rush for 1500+. Those who compare him to scat backs don’t know football. The kid runs down hill.

2) nordy has been the best thing at Pitt since Thomas Stargyl, Pop Warner, and Wesley Posvar. He single handedlu took a very good university and made it great (Posvar to a good university and made it very good). Nordy’s performance at Pitt has allowed us to consistently be ranked in the top 20 in many disciplines. Under his leadership our endowment has surpassed 2 billion (one of the largest for a public institution). Under his guidance we are now in the ACC and on more firm footing. Under his leadership the quality of student and graduate continues to rise. Nordy has been GREAT for Pitt!

Comment by Pitt fan in Atlanta 01.06.13 @ 5:33 pm

Take a look at the ND Roster. Only one PA player and he is from Oil City. WPIAL and PIAA football are no longer the recruiting bonanza they used to be. We/PC and staff need to really target outside PA players a lot more than we have in the past if we want to be a top 20 team.

Comment by Dan 72 01.06.13 @ 6:10 pm

@Ward – it’s not just after the losses in football. Have you looked at our women’s basketball, our baseball, our basketball, our football, our volleyball, our swimming, our track, our lacrosse, our crew, our wrestling, etc.? Steve Pederson is not responsible for academics, but athletics.

Show me where he is successfully supporting the overall mission! How is our brand? Athletic success leads to academic awareness, creates a buzz amongst academicians! If academics were the end all, we should have applied to the ivy schools and given sports the back seat. This is where leadership has failed in my opinion. Explain to the donors what our brand is. Do we want to be known as an academic institution, an athletic institution or be emminent in both?

I dare ask the folks of the blather to respond. The leadership needs to provide clarity so we know and can set, the proper expectations.

Comment by dhuffdaddy 01.06.13 @ 6:25 pm

oops, sorry…

my point is ….please show me where we have improved because of him in any sport, not in spite of him! Is anyone proud to talk to others about pitt sports?

Comment by dhuffdaddy 01.06.13 @ 6:30 pm

I am ALWAYS proud to talk about Pitt – academics, athletics, quality of life, quality of people. I do college recruiting events for Pitt and I’m not even an alum, just a Pitt parent. Would I like to win FBall and BBall championships? Sure. But I’d rather Pitt be Pitt than give up its core values just to win.

Comment by Pitt Dad 01.06.13 @ 6:48 pm

I can care less about Pitt Academics….. I do we’ll because I work hard not because of my Pitt degree. I don’t talk to friends about our academic programs on Monday morning. We talk football and basketball, etc. who gives a rats ass honestly. We’re a good school for a public school. We are no Harvard and no WVU were in the middle. I care about sports and our AD is a disaster.

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.06.13 @ 7:41 pm

Well, wherever I go and whoever I talk to people recognize that Pitt is a world class instutition – renowned in Medicine, Philosophy, Business among other departments – as well as a having historical success in athletics. They know, as I do, that Pitt will come back again in sports. It’s nice when I tell people my sons went to Pitt that the response is, “wow, great school.”

Comment by Pitt Dad 01.06.13 @ 7:51 pm

Wardapalooza – Your post drew my eye and my ire.
Here’s what I want Steve Pederson to do. His f’n job!

My company was just purchased and we are putting out a new brand. While I am not CEO COO or CFO, I am on the Sales Management side of the business.
Starting at about 6:05AM tomorrow morning, it is my job to make every waking minute of my life about my company’s brand, making it a success, asking my clients about what they would like to see (there’s that “active listening” thing which I will get back to), and putting my enthusiasm, energy and life’s energy forth in trying to make my new company a success.

What in the hell does Pederson do all day. Someone else posted earlier about the state of Pitt Sports…all sports, tennis, badmitton, Women’s BBall, wrestling (the only sport that gets above a C). They are all a mess…Pitt’s Brand is a mess…different Uni colors, awful fundraising, a negative connotation every time any Pitt Sport is mentioned. Hell, two of our players did not even have names on their jersies Saturday!! On national tv…in a bowl game. Who the hell is responsible??

And I will not even get into Saturdays’ disiasters.

Did any one of you…any…have one moment of joy Saturday??? other than “what’s his name leaving at QB”? Someone wrote a post earlier talking about how hard it is to watch Pitt sports…well it sure F’n is!!

So Ward….what does Pederson do all day? Have any of you seen or heard from hi? When is the last time anyone from Pitt called you to ask an opinion, fill out a survey of what you like to see at Pitt?? And then…follow through. The next time will be my first!

And don’t get on me about the Pitt callers who beg for money. I give more money (as do all of you) to Pitt than to my church, charity’s and eartly pleasures (including scotch which I need to tolerate Pitt Sports) combined. As do all of you.

Hell, even Bob Smizek rippped into Pederson on his blog and I haven’t agreed with Bob on anything since they brought back Danny Murtaugh the second time.

We need change. We need a new AD, a national recruiter who will help “ALL” the sports coaches Make Pitt a professional looking operation.

Did any of you see anything “professional” in Saturday’s games? Our football team looked like a bad HS Team they way they handled themselves on the field. Our BBall team was as lost as Pederson.

Branding covers the whole gamut…it sets a tone for the university and permeates the sports atmosphere, win or lose, with a look of professionalism.

There, did I even mention the stadium or the colors or the script. I am furious with Steve Pederson who for all I know sits in his office doing crosswards all day. Bob Smizek hasn’t seen or heard from him, neither has my friend Jerry Mico. Have you???

Comment by Dan 72 01.06.13 @ 8:25 pm

Well Dan, I’m sure Pitt appreciates your BIG BUCKS!! Your church probably would as well!! Just joking!! Hail to Pitt!! Hail to your church!! Rev. George from Columbus

Comment by Rev. George Mehaffey 01.06.13 @ 8:42 pm

Brands? Let’s talk brands.
A few years ago I took care of the owner for the company that makes Nittany Lion Franks.
‘Hey,’ I asked, ‘how much does PSU make from that?’
‘Six figures,’ I was told.
So I asked, “Anyway you would be willing to do a similar deal with Pitt?’
‘Why not?’ the guy told me. ‘Dogs is dogs and I am in business to sell as many as I can.’
So I called the athletic department that very same day. Gave them the guys name, number, and the whole story. They promised to get back to me and of course never did.
This was an easy score for Pitt. They had to do nothing but extend a licensing agreement, and Smiling Steve couldn’t even do that.
So, with that in mind, how on earth can any of us expect him to go out of his way to expand on the Pitt brand?
Bottom line: A new basketball arena is no reason to keep someone who is incompetent,

Comment by Gas 01.06.13 @ 8:51 pm

Good stuff guys… I agree completely. I’d clean house. The whole group has no idea how to run a foot locker let alone a AD Dept.

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.06.13 @ 9:25 pm

Rev George – I give more that bucks to my church. I am a choir director and give my time with the same passion I give my money…and that’s what we are talking about…passion! Pederson exhibits none…anywhere. He is a pompous arrogant aloof figure whom almost no one in the press community cares for let alone the alumni.

By the way…my music (which included the Heinz Chapel Choir and Men’s Glee Club at Pitt)has me singing at Carnegie Hall in NYC Jan 20th with the New York Philharmonic. God has been very generous! Now, if we could only get him on our side at Pitt!!

Comment by Dan 72 01.06.13 @ 9:33 pm

The “Pete” isn’t new anymore. It is now in its 11th basketball season. it is not “new”.
Listen, anyone who is any good in college athletcis has one thing in common….they get swamped with offers for other jobs.
What school in their right mind would hire this Bozo?
Pitt’s athletic department is filled with losers…sorry, but apart from EJ and the lady who really runs the show on football game days, the rest could not get a job at Mc Donald’s…
I don’t want to disparage McDonald’s employees, but the company hires alot.
Did anyone get the flyer from the athletic Department a few weeks back asking for increased pledges? I did.
Know what was missing? A plan. A statement that this is what we are going to use it for. When someone askes me to “give” them money, if they want it they need to tell me what they are going to use it for.
Not Pitt….they just stick out there hands and if any falls in, so be it.
they couldn’t run a cheerleader car wash!

Comment by sfpitt 01.06.13 @ 9:37 pm

Gas 01 – I could fill a book with the stories like yours. My fave was callling for Pitt football tickets (called Pitt tick office) for a game, getting put on hold, and listening to the Duquesne Fight song on the Muzaak trak.

Second fav, is calling Wannstead’s crew to help recruit an elite kicker out of Lynchburg. Sent them his tape and everything. After, no follow up or response of any kind and about 12 calls on my part, I was told we already had a kicker lined up for 2011-12. You Blatherites can watch Darryl Simms kicking for UVA for the next 3 years. I guarentee he will beat us at least once. He was making them off the grass from 55 in HS. He actually wanted to go to Pitt..imagine that. We could not even write him a cover letter saying thanks but no thanks.

And I could go on…and on…and on…all under Stevie P.

Comment by Dan 72 01.06.13 @ 9:39 pm

@Pitt Dad – If Pitt only wanted to be good at Engineering, our leadership would have stopped there.They didn’t. They wanted to be great at law. They could have stopped there, but they also wanted to be great at Medicine. When the right leadership leads an endeavor, the program can be successful.

The point is that we have the wrong leadership in athletics. There is no plan. There is not a sport that has been really successful under Pederson’s rule. Pick one we can celebrate and let’s have Chas or Reed open a thread so we can do it! I never said we should compromise academics for athletics and we don’t have too. Stanford does not. Duke does not. Notre Dame does not.

Why do we allow our athletic leadership a pass. I wouldn’t allow this to go on if he reported to me, especially given all of our academic successes. The opportunity is to have an emminent institution. A complete university of excellence progressing towards emminence. Why do we settle for less when we have an opportunity to be the best? That is all I want answered and to date, have not heard an acceptable answer to me. Others may think this is fine and Pitt Dad, you may be one of those.

I want to be associated with the best in all things, not some things. We can get there if we have strong leaders in all areas, not some.

Comment by dhuffdaddy 01.06.13 @ 9:56 pm

@dhuffdaddy – I’m not giving anyone a pass nor was I suggesting that Pederson has been a success. I was merely pointing out that among those I know, Pitt is highly regarded for both academics and athletics and that I wouldn’t sacrifice one for the other.

Comment by Pitt Dad 01.06.13 @ 10:16 pm

The only way to send the message to our Chancellor, et al is to completely withold contributions to the athletic department…the message should be if you want our money remove Pederson.

Comment by isnore 01.06.13 @ 10:18 pm

Pitt Atlanta- agree with you 100% on Nordy. Not sure why the ire directed at him by some here. Direct it to Pederson – where it belongs.

Comment by Pitt it Is 01.06.13 @ 10:29 pm

Follow the food chain and payroll. Peterson reports to Nordy. Peterson’s a joke of a AD. Therefore it is Nordy’s responsibility to fire him or people will start looking t him.

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.06.13 @ 11:22 pm

I get the academic successes and agree wholeheartedly. I don’t get the athletic success except for the recent mens basketball records for the past couple of years.

I look at the totality of the sports programs, not just mens football and mens basketball. I wouldn’t trade academic reputation for athletic reputation.

I am a firm believer that you can have both. I am hoping to be educated by someone who says we have both, but I just don’t see it. Maybe I am missing it and will gladly apologize if I missed something.

Comment by dhuffdaddy 01.06.13 @ 11:41 pm

I am reading and appreciating the comments. I asked a question further up the thread and would appreciate insight from those that have it.

The ADs before Pederson were weak (I believe)… Long was between his SP’s two tenors and was weak as well. So when have we had a good AD?

My question gets to my concern that institutionally Pitt is incapable of getting good leadership in its sports programs… so we get rid of SP and get what? another lacky with no vision or balls??

… is it because this vice Chancellor ?Cochran? screws everything up? other? The good coaches we have gotten were really strokes of good luck.

Comment by PittScript 01.07.13 @ 12:37 am

On another note, Pitt is now ranked Top 60-70 internationally as a University and when as a Pitt grad. I apply for a job… my resume is my Pitt degree not how good my school did on the football field… so academics absolutely Top #1 and Nordenberg has done a very good job here advancing Pitt’s academic strenght and reputation. We just need to give that to him.

…. that said I have been persuaded by the statements here tonight on the importance of good athletics to improve the recognition and view of institution — Pitt’s Athletic side has not caught up to its academic progress.

… just for the record the ACC picked Pitt because of academic reputation as much or more than athletics… if we were weak academically we would be screwed in the big east.

Comment by PittScript 01.07.13 @ 12:42 am

I hope the bloggers on here who just love, love, love Nordy and his bromance with Stevie buy lots of football tickets next year. Where were you last spring when Pitt set a record for the lowest attendance ever at a CBI basketball game? Strong athletics sell a university’s academic programs. Under Nordy and Stevie, with ESPN cameras almost always in view, Pitt athletics have become a source of embarrassment for many alums. You want to talk about a school that values its academics to the point of snobbery? Look at Rice U. right here in Houston. Even the Owls won their bowl game. Pitt athletics, and attendance at major sporting events, is regressing. The buck stops with Nordy and Pederson.

The best year for Pitt sports in recent memory was 2009, almost four years ago. Your terrific Nordy and smiling Stevie are moving backwards.

Comment by TonyinHouston 01.07.13 @ 12:47 am

You really aren’t using CBI attendance as evidence of anything are you? That’s a little disingenuous.

I have had numerous interactions with the Pitt Athletic Dept on a number of professional and personal levels. There are good people in that office that work hard, are responsive and proactive, and are positive contributors to the Dept and the university as a whole.

Steve Pederson is a very polarizing figure in that he is an outsider to an exceedingly xenophobic community, stripped the old guard fan of the Script and the Stadium which were the only tangible connection to the most successful stretch in the modern era, and has presided over some significantly head-scratching personnel decisions. But he also corrected a number of long time failings that the previous regimes perpetuated and exacerbated over several decades of mismanagement. Let’s not forget that when Pederson became AD the bell weather programs were playing horrific brands of their respective sports in dilapidated facilities in uniforms that were not…uniform. All of that put Pitt at a disadvantage in comparison to its peers.

Give credit to Pederson for having the vision, arrogance and will to break a few eggs in creating a culture change which resulted in a rebirth in the football product, the creation of a perennial nationally relevant basketball program and the addition of one of the most significant capital investments in campus history (The Pete and adjoining sports complex that just so happened to make Pitt a viable candidate for more prestigious leagues). Yes, the casting off of “Pitt” as a brand in favor of the marketing gimmick “Pittsburgh” was a very poor mis-step and the uniqueness of mustard yellow was a calling card (questionable as it may be)…but the other hard decisions and directions were necessary to make Pitt competitive in major D1 athletics.

With that said, I am of the belief that Athletic Administrators (ADs, GMs, Coaches, etc) have about a 10-12 year effective life span in any one position, with few notable exceptions. After that, the arrogance required becomes paralyzing and the message is no longer received. My guess is that Nordy has kept Pederson in place to maintain continuity as Pitt makes the move to the ACC and that once that transition has been completed, at change in the AD will be made.

Comment by ECH 01.07.13 @ 7:35 am

During the second half of last year’s BBVA Compass Bowl against SMU, my brother and I downed an entire bottle of George Dickel Whiskey to numb the pain.

During the fourth quarter of this year’s game, I simply took a nap. This isn’t worth getting upset about anymore because we are what we are.

Comment by AJ 01.07.13 @ 7:37 am

The profile of Pitt has grown under Nordy, the selectivity has improved and Pitt has a major research university. His leadership has done a lot for the school. No, it’s not Stanford, Princeton or Yale, but the university’s stature has improved a great deal during his tenure. That’s good for everyone here.

What I would like to see, is a return to relevence with the football program. I do believe we have a good guy in place, as head coach, and I realize that there will be growing pains. I just hope that he is given the time and resources to be successful.

Comment by Justinian 01.07.13 @ 8:15 am

It’s a good thing Pitt tore down Pitt Stadium to make room for a big-time basketball arena.

Otherwise, how could the basketball program have ever become the powerhouse it is today?

Comment by PittofDreams 01.07.13 @ 8:53 am


That is a brilliantly myopic perspective of the University’s billion-dollar universe.

Comment by ECH 01.07.13 @ 9:23 am

I did not address the content of the character of the people in the athletic department as that is not my complaint with them. My complaint is with performance, including the critical role of development.
But moving Pitt from 1980 to 2000 was fine, but it is now 2013 and we are stuck at year 2000.
The personnel decisions are much more than “head scratchers”. They damn near proved to be fatal.
Simply put, Nordenberg has been a superb leader, but all leaders have their flaws and his flaw is that he has placed his relationship with pederson ahead of the interests of the university as a whole.
A university where, I will add, Pederson is among the highest paid employees.
Time for him to go.

Comment by sfpitt 01.07.13 @ 10:28 am

I agree with the critique of latter years of SP although the changes he made coming in with facilities etc were very important.

… but my question above goes unanswered….

Pitt has demonstrated no ability to hire a good AD… When was the last good one?? Long was not, nor before SP?

so we get rid of SP and get who? a lacky most likely.

my concern is structural problems deep in the university (or people) who need to go as well… such as the Vice chancellor.

we need visionary, strong person… not a “pitt” person (which translates into won’t rock the boat or contradict anyone who has been around forever).

we do need outsiders who come in with fresh perspectives… but…

definitely yes/agree on the comments above about someone with strong marketing in terms of understanding that you have to engage and dialog with your constituents to understand them.

Comment by PittScript 01.07.13 @ 2:25 pm


Sorry, I didn’t intend to infer that you were painting the entire Athletic Department with any particular brush…I was just giving my own perspective formed by my own interactions.

From what I gather from individuals much closer to the administration than I, it’s fairly well understood that Nordy will be retiring from his current position in the not too distant future. My guess is that he feels that the new Chancellor should have the privilege of hiring his own top administrators and is probably hesitant to make a significant change in the AD.

Also, as it relates to Pederson, I believe the same tragic flaw has aided in his poor personnel decisions, marketing mistakes, and general acrimony with many boosters. (And it has nothing to do with the frugality of the University’s senior administration.) He, and many who have been fed by his teat in the AD, believe they are always the smartest people in the room. That kind of mindset lends itself to a lot of blind spots and makes it easy to step in dung at many a turn. Pederson has plenty of dung on his shoes.

If Pederson is worth his salt, he is actively looking for somewhere to land in relative short order…though based on his personnel prowess, he will probably be caught flat footed.

Comment by ECH 01.07.13 @ 2:41 pm

@ech interesting insights. Thank you

Comment by PittScript 01.07.13 @ 7:38 pm

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