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December 10, 2012

In the best case scenario, Pitt was looking at a perfect 10-0 record to start basketball season. Worst case, 8-2. At 9-1, Pitt’s record is about what was reasonably expected. The way it ended up that way, naturally wasn’t quite as assumed.

Pitt pounded North Florida on Saturday night. Again, that was expected. There were some struggles in the first half with regards to rebounding and defense, but Pitt was just too big and too good for the Ospreys to hang for very long. Even when they were drilling 3s. Offensively, Pitt had one of its best nights. Good shot selection. Aggressive in the paint. Completely blowing North Florida off the court in the second half for the 89-47 win.

It’s been a weak schedule, and it will not be any stronger in the final three non-cons after the kids finish finals week. Surprisingly, Pitt’s RPI isn’t as bad as I assumed. It’s hanging at 59, though strength of schedule is a bad 223d. It will get worse.Oakland and Howard are both sub-200 RPI teams and Bethune-Cookman and Kennesaw State are down in the 300s.

Coach Jamie Dixon has usually been a much savvier scheduler than this. At least to play the numbers. And we all know about the lost game with an SEC team. That still doesn’t explain such horrid scheduling overall. He’s generally done well at avoiding any teams that have RPIs in the 300s — much less the 200s. There’s going to be a lot of pressure on Pitt in the Big East schedule. Even if Pitt finishes in the top-5 of the Big East, this non-con slate will drag them down a notch or too for NCAA Tournament seeding.

And I hate doing any NCAA Tournament projections, much less seedings when it is December. But the non-con scheduling this year is just that bad that it will be a source of angst.

So, time to run down the players and their overall performance in the first 6 weeks or so.

Travon Woodall: Remaining the most versatile guard for Pitt. Playing point or shooting guard. Leads the team in assists, steals and points per game. Shooting nearly 40% on 3s. He is shooting even better inside the arc at over 62% (32-51). His effective field goal percentage (eFG) is 60.4%. He was a project when he was recruited. That project appeared to be blooming last year, until he got hurt. He is even better this year.

His one big glaring weakness is 3-point defense. He keeps his hands down when guarding on the perimeter. The reason, may be to maintain position in front of guards to take away penetration and drives. Given his height, though, it allows bigger guards to shoot right over him from outside.

James Robinson: There is a truism in college basketball that guards have an easier time making an immediate impact than big men as freshmen. James Robinson is proving that point. He is a natural point guard, with a tremendous mix of talent, smarts and fearlessness. Only 10 games in, and he already has the complete trust of his teammates, coaches and even alumni. No where was that demonstrated more than in the loss to Michigan.

“Just look at him,” [Levance] Fields said, unable to contain his smile. “He’s already special. And he’s only starting.”

Fields worked with Robinson this summer. Knight works with him every day. They agree that the line of great Pitt point guards — it started with Knight and continued with Carl Krauser and Fields — is in wonderful hands with Robinson, whose impact has been stronger so far than that of fellow freshman Steven Adams.

“I have spent a lot of time with him on and off the floor,” Knight said. “I see really great things in him.”

Robinson is averaging 7.2 points and 2.8 assists through five games, but statistics reveal only a small part of his value.

Like Fields, Robinson seems blessed with the innate ability to perform late in games. He was the player most responsible for Pitt’s dramatic comeback against Oakland last week, hitting two free throws in the final seconds to force overtime.

Robinson almost produced more late-game theatrics against Michigan, scoring on three consecutive drives in the final minute.

“And that’s something you can’t coach,” Fields said. “He’s got it. He’s always had it. He played at a big-time high school program, and he had it then. He will always want the ball, and no stage will ever be too big for him.

“He probably turned it on a little too late against Michigan, but next time, he’ll learn. He’s a sponge.”

Those scores versus Michigan at the end weren’t simply impressive because they were clutch. They were exactly the right play. Pitt didn’t have enough time to dish and set up shots. They needed the guy bringing the ball up-court to score quickly. He recognized the Wolverines were backing off to avoid the fouls and he attacked the basket for surprisingly easy baskets. But for two really bad calls by the officials on the other end — the anticipatory whistle on the steal rather than a foul, and missing the obvious stepping out-of-bounds — and James Robinson would be in the leading candidate in the Big East for Freshman of the Year. As it stands, he’s in the discussion.

After starting out the season 1-9 on 3s in the first six games, he has noticeably improved to hit 5-8. He obviously doesn’t take a lot of shots, but he is taking — and making enough to keep the defense from crowding too close. Giving him room to shoot, drive or pass.

His defense is a little spotty at times as expected from a freshman, but like every other part of his game: it is improving.

John Johnson: N/A. Transferred to Penn State. Attempts to sour chemistry on team, failed.

Cameron Wright: Outside of Isiah Epps, Cam Wright was probably the player most Pitt fans hoped would transfer after last season. Despite being a redshirt freshman, he looked worse than a freshman version of Brad Wanamaker or Nasir Robinson on offense. He was supposed to be an ace defender, but he did not come close to matching the hype.

This season could not have started with worse news for Wright. Losing his father to cancer on opening night. He wanted to play to honor his dad, and showed that huge strides have been made in his game. His offensive game is still awkward and almost frightening in appearance, but it is significantly better.

Wright shot just 35 percent from the field and 16.7 percent from 3-point range last season. He is shooting 46 percent this season and has made 3 of 4 from 3-point range.

“I definitely grew offensively, but I guess you kind of gain confidence from defense,” he said. “You play so hard with your teammates for 35 seconds, or maybe longer if they get an offensive rebound, and once you get back on the offensive end you have to connect. I’ve definitely gained more confidence in my game. I put a lot of time and effort into my game throughout the summer and the course of the season. Every basketball player has to have that sense of confidence. In the flow of the game, if I have the opportunity to shoot, I’ll take the shot.”

Wright looks a lot more comfortable out on the court on both ends. Unbelievably, he’s picked his shots (most of the time) very well. How else could he be 3-4 on 3s and 17-35 overall to this point? His defense actually looks like what was expected when he signed. He’s shut down Lehigh’s best player and he’s comfortable with the 10-15 minutes he will get each game.

He’s looking like yet another quality cog piece for Pitt.  Someone who helps the team.

Trey Zeigler: It’s hindsight now, but even before the DUI episode — that cost him two games — I was starting to think that the best thing for Zeigler (and Pitt) would have been for him to not have gotten a waiver to play right away. If he would have had a chance just to practice and learn more. To not try and adjust his game so abruptly.

It’s been a struggle on both ends. There were questions about his defense, since he didn’t have to play that much of it at Central Michigan. But his struggles on offense have been surprising. Maybe it’s because he’s coming off the bench. Maybe he’s trying too hard to fit in with his teammates. But he’s getting close to falling behind Wright in coming off the bench.

A 30% 3-point shooter for his first two years, he hasn’t made one yet this year. His free throw shooting, which was a disturbing 50+% for his career, is under 40% this year. There’s definitely a confidence problem right now for him.

More player thoughts in the next post.





A tourney needs to be put together NOW with WVU PSU and the Dukes, would help with the horrible current schedule and give the fans something to look forward to before January.
The stands are not full for the garbage games we are getting and it certainly is not helping the team get ready for the real season.

Comment by Jimbo 12.10.12 @ 1:31 pm

Chas, I think you’re absolutely right about Zeigler. Its not quite a “curse in disguise” but he certainly looks a bit lost out there. He’s shown flashes of a very dramatic scoring touch, but he has not learned how to play in Pitt’s offense yet.

When I first learned he was transferring, I could not help but make comparisons to Mike Cook and Jermaine Dixon, the last two Pitt transfers, both of which played extremely well . . . after sitting out a year to learn.

Zeigler is learning on the fly, and its been a rough transition so far, but I hope that as a coach’s son, he keeps his chin up and can shoot up the learning curve very quickly, because I think of all the players on Pitt’s roster, he has the best ability to create his own scoring chances, and I think as the season progresses, Pitt will need that spark of scoring coming off the bench.

Comment by TartanPanther 12.10.12 @ 2:28 pm

I agree about the calls in Michigan game. They were awful. Particularily the call made on steal under our hoop. It was slapped up, from behind the ball carier and bounced off Cam Wright’s chest. Wright was called for a reach in, when he didn’t reach in. The Panthers were down by two at the time and would have had the steal under our hoop. Robinson was remarkable coming down to end and officials mades some bad calls.

Comment by Justinian 12.10.12 @ 2:35 pm

Zeigler has the most flawed foul shot technique of any coaches son I have ever seen.He takes a last second glance at the basket then throws up a rushed shot.He needs to focus on the front rim then drop the ball over it,how come nobody has corrected this?He can’t possibly play in a late game situation shooting 40% from the line.

Comment by spiritofsection22 12.10.12 @ 2:39 pm

Coach might have have wanted a real easy non-con (Syracuse Style if u will), as he probably knew after last season, this team would still have some rebounding and defensive issues. And they do, especially defensive rebounding, as neither Adams nor Zanna get particularly good position.

Also like me Coach probably knew that he had to insert Robinson in at PG immediately and I’m really glad he recognized that. As much as I like Woody, he is not a great point guard, especially against better competition. Too many turnovers and too many telegraphed passes. So inserting Robinson in at PG from DAY 1 was an essential move.

Coach also probably knew Adams was pretty raw, so it’s actually a blessing the non-con is full of lightweights. And it’s something most teams full of question marks will do and have done.

Since we have a very limited sampling(1 game) of how this team might do against top teams, it’s anyone’s guess how the conf. season shakes out.

But we knew(or at least I did) last year during the non-con, things were a kilter, the defense was horrible and that carried right into league play. The only thing (well actually a couple) but here’s the main one, that I see as being a large concern, since we’re not getting much offensive production from the Center position,
that places a higher importance on getting points from the PF position. And while I like Zanna and he has made strides obviously, he has a tendency to disappear during games for large stretches. Now whether that’s the guards fault for not getting him touches or his lack of aggressiveness for not calling for the ball (think DeJuan Blair), it could be a big problem against higher quality teams. I don’t think you can win without offensive production from BOTH the Center & PF positions. And at this point, neither Adams nor Zanna are particularly aggressive and we know Sleepy is…… well Sleepy.

The other one briefly is; Ziegler hasn’t been integrated into the offense as quickly as I’d like to see, especially considering the opposition. As we’re going to need his offensive skill set against better teams that play tough defense. Remember the 7-8 minute stretch in the 2nd half against Michigan, where we had real trouble generating any offense AT ALL ! That’s what I mean. Now fortunately for us Michigan only shot 17% from 3 that night and we’ve seen some of these rent-a-win teams shoot much better than that (most recently the 1rst half against UNF). So that is also a concern.

If nothing else, the conf. season should be very interesting. Hopefully we make the Dance this year. It’s not a given, again since we’ve only had a tiny sampling against any real competition.
I don’t think our defense is that good to hold Michigan to 17% 3 pt shooting. They were just off that night. We will know much more by the middle of January !

Comment by Emel 12.10.12 @ 2:48 pm

Good point and article Chas. Like you said in hindsight with Zeigler, a year sitting out might have been a huge help. However we all thought before the season started that we might ONLY have Adams for one year and we better put as many good players around him for that one season as possible.

Unless Adams does some Superman change in a phone booth or some NBA GM gets enamored with him, he’s not a one & done guy.

If I was Coach, I would play Zeigler extensively
at SG against these upcoming rent-a-win games, as we already know what Woody can and can’t do. At this point of the season it’s more important to get Zeigler’s game and confidence up to speed, imo. As he has the tools, the skill set and the size to be a difference maker in one of those games we have found ourselves in too often in the past. Against teams that have that one player who takes over a game and lead them to victory.

Having Zeigler averaging in doubles coming off the bench would be a huge huge thing for this team.

Comment by Emel 12.10.12 @ 3:27 pm

Emel if Adams starts to even sniff at his potential he will be one and done, he is like a baby waiting to wake up and go.When he does I think it won’t matter what Zeigler does. I remember us making Carmello look stupid only to see him win a national championship a month later.Adams can do things that no one else can do and when he figures that out the sky is the limit.

Comment by spiritofsection22 12.10.12 @ 3:39 pm

Chas,
Well put.
Maybe I’m looking thru rose colored glasses, but looking at Pitt’s adjusted offense effiency (which is excellent) and adjusted defense eff (which has improved since last year), I think Pitt will win a good amount (12-13 games) in conference this year.

I think the Ziegler should be the 9th man off of the bench (too many turn-overs/charges). And Wright is playing to well to limit PT. I agree that last year he looked worse that Wanamaker, but this year it seems like Ziegler has taken that role.

I also think that the non-con is weak; However, that is just what the doctor ordered with a young team coming off of a tough year.

But I do wonder how the roster is going to shrink in conference play.

Comment by xfmrman 12.10.12 @ 4:00 pm

For anyone who cares about statistics (me i’m more of a forget the numbers show me real hoops kinda guy) Ken Pomeroy’s most recent college basketball ratings shows us at #7. link to kenpom.com
Keep in mind his statistics crunch a whole lot of metrics that most people are completely baffled by, and by no stretch of the imagination does this mean that we’re the 7th best team in the country when we step on the court. But, it’s nice to be acknowledged — for whatever it is we’re being acknowledged for…

Comment by MikePITT 12.10.12 @ 4:13 pm

Rightly or wrongly, I expected a lot more from Ziegler early on. Purely based on the hype and expectations, in his defense. But also he’s a coach’s son and he will be 22 by the end of the season. It’s not like he’s a RS freshman or even sophomore.

The thought of him struggling to get acclimated never crossed my mind. I thought he’d be one of the guys carrying us while Adams and Robinson got caught up to speed.

Comment by CNorwoodAZ 12.10.12 @ 6:06 pm

@spiritofsection22

Yes I agree, if Adams shows any inclination some NBA GM will take a flyer on him for sure (they have in the past). I can’t agree about Carmello though, he averaged 27 ppg immediately (first 3 games) for Syracuse his only year and was the “go to guy” immediately as well. In fact what Boeheim did that year was design the team & the plays around Carmello. He was that good at 18.

Adams is so far away from being the “go to guy” at this point it’s not funny. Carmello was basically NBA ready coming out of HS based on his skills, not his height and/or athleticism.

I didn’t quite understand what your Zeigler comment meant. I was just saying most of us wanted him to play this year since we felt it might be the only year we would have Adams.

It seems like other than PG’s and DeJuan Blair, we’ve had trouble integrating new players into the system. And of course with PG’s, well they always have the ball so it’s kinda easier to integrate them. lol

Comment by Emel 12.10.12 @ 6:12 pm

Emel Maybe I am a little hyped over Adams but why make a big deal out of our 10th guy. Adams isn’t as far along as Carmello was but he has that type of potential. Zeigler might have already played his best ball.Saturday night was the first time I saw Adams fully extend on a rebound and he was a foot and a half higher off the ground than I have ever seen a Pitt player.IN 40 years of watching!when he realizes what he can do that the others can’t and the lightbulb goes off nobody will care what zeigler does.We have three good guards ahead of him and he can’t shoot fouls or threes.He is a nonfactor.Adams is the key to how far this team gets.If he catches on this year he won’t be back ,and if it’s next year we could win the ACC right out of the gate.Preseason I thought maybe Zeigler could make the starting lineup but what appeared good on paper isn’t what I see now.I disagree with playing him extensively and will be surprised if he sees as many minutes in conference play.Other than an ability to drive and slash what is it about his game you like because he certainly has his liabilites.Bad foul shooting,bad 3pt shooter,not used to playing tough defense,off court misstep.How does that equate to more playing time?

Comment by spiritofsection22 12.10.12 @ 6:44 pm

Mikepitt thanks for the sight post I enjoyed it.

Comment by spiritofsection22 12.10.12 @ 6:52 pm

It’s an absolut joke to me that Pitt is still not ranked. How are there possibly 25 teams better than them?

Comment by Vulcan Rob 12.10.12 @ 7:45 pm

Just sayin that I would play him a lot in the next 3 games against these lightweights:
1) Bethune-Cookman
2) I forget
3) Kennesaw State

If he’s not integrated into the offense after that I don’t see it happening in the conf schedule. So then you can write off this season for him.
As Dixon always shortens his bench in the BigEast.

Surely we can still beat these 3 teams handily and you’ll have a chance to get Zeigler going again.
There is hardly any risk and the reward or upside could be great.

What I like about his game is he is the only player on the team (certainly the taller ones) who can take an opponent off the dribble and score going to the hole. Which if we ever get into a transition game is invaluable. And he can create his own shot, another rare talent on PITT teams.
He’s not in the game to shoot 3’s so that doesn’t bother me. How did Gibbs work out last year?
And every player has liabilities. He’s taking Woody’s place at SG so the bad defense is negligible. But he’s not as easy to shoot over at 6-5 as Woody is from the perimeter. So there’s that and he could give you a nice matchup problem for the other team. Provided you know how to use him.

Sorry I was expecting bigger things from a guy with 2 years of D1 college basketball under his belt, that averaged 15 ppg and was a former Top 50-75 HS recruit. Which means he was a 4-5 star.

And yes let’s play him extensively against Bethune-Cookman, Kennesaw State & whoever to see what we got. WE know what we got in Woody.

Comment by Emel 12.10.12 @ 8:00 pm

I’m with Emel. Z needs to play and break a sweat. For many reasons. First, he is crashing the party. He is still new to these guys and there is no substitute to playing with guys…so give him as many minutes as possible with many different lineups.
Next, the DUI has to depress him. I’m sure his Dad ripped him a new one. I am not downplaying the offense, ask the Cowboys, but he needs to get on with his life and the best place is the basketball court.
Lastly, we need him and he needs Pitt. That is avoid relationship in the making.

Comment by SFPitt 12.10.12 @ 8:11 pm

Meant to write “that is a good relationship” in the making.

Comment by SFPitt 12.10.12 @ 8:13 pm

It doesn’t matter if Pitt’s ranked yet…if they beat Cincy then they’ll be ranked.

Comment by Jackagain 12.10.12 @ 9:23 pm

I think Cincy will be the true barometer for how good Pitt is, and where they will be ranked. We will see if the relatively easy non-con helped or hurt. This will be a season where the Panthers can ill afford any bad losses in conference play, and they’ll need to get some wins against the better teams in the BE, in order to get an invite to the NCAAs.

Comment by Lou 12.10.12 @ 10:55 pm

@ Vulcan — When you beat the Sisters of Charity don’t expect to get any respect. Once Pitt gets into their Big East schedule we’ll see what kind of team Pitt will be this season. The rankings are what they are. Pitt needs to earn a top 25 ranking and they are close. HTP!

Comment by MariettaMike 12.11.12 @ 8:12 am

Cincinatti hasn’t beaten anyone either,but they had a big year last year so they are getting a lot of respect by beating patsies.If we had rebounded or got a couple decent calls late against Michigan we would be in the top ten right now.A win against the bearcats will put us securely on the map.I don’t think the schedule has prepared them for facing us.I prefer to be the team doing the stalking,it’s kind of nice to be under the radar for a change.

Comment by spiritofsection22 12.11.12 @ 9:35 am

While Cincy will be the next “test”, they cannot look past B-C, Del St., and Ken.

Cincy has played a tougher sched with AL, IA ST and OR. And they play @Marshall, New Mex, and two locals Wright St and Xavier before they head here. I would not be surprised if Cincy has a loss or two before the Pitt game.

Comment by xfmrman 12.11.12 @ 10:47 am

Cincy will probably lose half their roster after the Xavier game.

Comment by gdodson 12.11.12 @ 12:32 pm

LOL

Comment by xfmrman 12.11.12 @ 12:43 pm

Agree that Zeigler needs more minutes in these games, as does JJ Moore. Both need a chance to get more involved in the games and just get going, particularly Zeigler. Some more minutes, a few hoops, a dunk or two maybe, his confidence picks up and he brings a whole other dimension to an already strong and deep team.

Comment by Carmen 12.12.12 @ 9:54 am

With it now looking possible (maybe even probable) that Adams will not be one and done, next year will be Pitt’s best chance EVER to make a final four run. Having Zeigler takes his lumps getting acclimated this year will put him farther ahead next year when he’ll be really needed.

He, along with Johnson and Jones, will have to fill Woodall’s minutes and points. I expect a third year Gilbert and freshman Young will be able to more than adequately replace Taylor. So if Adams and Robinson mature as expected, look out.

Get Trey as many minutes as possible. Save wear and tear on Tray. Glad to see Zeigler get some garbage time at point.

Beating Cinci at home is critical. Last year the Cinci loss pushed Pitt over the cliff. They got beat up and never really recovered.

Comment by Boubacar Aw 12.12.12 @ 10:50 am

Bcar I think you mean best future chance not best chance ever. I know of 3 previous teams that I felt should have made it.Evans and Howland each had a team and then the loss to Villanova.Everybody seems pretty sure Adams won’t progress enough this year to be NBA ready.I think that is wishful thinking and my hope is that he can grow up this year on the court because the pros won’t neccesarily wait for him to have an impact in college before grabbing him. Several on this sight seemed to share your oppinion on Zeigler but I much prefer the three guards in front of him and think his poor foul shooting makes him a liability at crunch time.

Comment by spiritofsection22 12.12.12 @ 2:27 pm

[…] a previous post, I mentioned how the RPI and SOS numbers for Pitt’s non-con were rather bad. That plays a role in Pitt not being ranked. The other part of why Pitt isn’t getting ranked. […]


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