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December 1, 2012

Open Thread B: Pitt-USF

Filed under: Football,Open Thread — Chas @ 6:32 pm

Curse the fates that have two games at the same time. No way to avoid the basketball score, even if I stayed off the net. Our TV is a projector so the painter tape over the portion of the screen that is the ticker on ESPN trick, just won’t work.

Big game for Pitt as it is the difference between bowl eligibility and the ignominy of not even managing a 6-6 record. To say nothing of only managing 2 conference wins in the final go-round.

The options are either the Pinstripe or Beef bowl if Pitt wins. The Beef O’Brady Bowl just announced that incoming Big East team — but presently a C-USA refugee — Central Florida will be the C-USA rep. Pitt, as you may remember, had to cancel their home game with UCF for this year when the Big East thought TCU was joining. That led to the need to schedule Gardner-Webb at the last minute. So there could be a whole logic to it all.





Cam Saddler did not make the trip due to discplinary reasons…
It took this long (5yrs) to displine Saddler? then on his last game of his career??

Comment by Joe D 12.01.12 @ 6:34 pm

Maybe this will be a chance then for Ed Tinker to get some more PT, as he hasn’t had much chance to get on the field. He made a nice TD catch last game!

Comment by Emel 12.01.12 @ 6:38 pm

I’m going with the basketball game then switching over to the football … Go Pitt!

Comment by Tossing Thabeets 12.01.12 @ 6:59 pm

Alabama -Georgia great match up!

Comment by Oklahomeboy 12.01.12 @ 7:03 pm

Sunseri is on his way out but I have a feeling the phrase “That was so Sunseri” will live on for a while … for example,

Announcer: “Voytik goes down with the sack”
Me: “That was so Sunseri”

Announcer: “Voytik at 15 quadruple pumps and throws the ball out of the back of the endzone as time expires and Pitt is down 3″
Me: “That was so Sunseri”

Comment by Tossing Thabeets 12.01.12 @ 7:20 pm

The SEC Championship game just took a TV ratings hit now that PITT v. USF started! Good start! HTP

Comment by JAM 05 Pitt 12.01.12 @ 7:20 pm

Tossing, that post was so Sunseri!

Comment by Oklahomeboy 12.01.12 @ 7:21 pm

You got the hang of it … I needed a distraction from the 15-0 run by Detroit. Pitt was up 8-0 then down 15-8.

Comment by Tossing Thabeets 12.01.12 @ 7:24 pm

Two turnovers not too shabby!

Comment by Dr. Tom 12.01.12 @ 7:26 pm

Those of you not watching the basketball game are missing Pitt do it’s best to imitate last year’s team.

Detroit 22-4 run since being down 8-0 … all since Detroit switched to the zone.

Comment by Tossing Thabeets 12.01.12 @ 7:29 pm

Zanna has air balled an open 1 footer, clanked a dunk and been blocked by the rim … all in the first 10 minutes.

Comment by Tossing Thabeets 12.01.12 @ 7:31 pm

Sunseri just took a 22 yard loss on a typical Sunseri play…taking a sack holding the ball too long and staring down a receiver

Comment by Dan 72 12.01.12 @ 7:32 pm

Correction, Dan 72: it was a 29 yard sack! What 5th year senior 3-year starting QB does that except our beloved Dip Shitseri, Tino the Magnificent?

I’d LOVE to know what goes thru his bonehead thick skull as those plays start to develop. If I can see what’s about to happen, why can’t he??

Comment by Imma Man! Im 40! 12.01.12 @ 7:36 pm

WHY oh WHY is our knucklehead QB soooo alergic to simply throwing the ball away? Tino you dip stick, THROW IT AWAY!!!

Comment by Imma Man! Im 40! 12.01.12 @ 7:59 pm

I really don’t think we are playing all that well. SF just sucks. Hated the Tino pass play on third and one? Why? He still stares down his receiver and still gets sacked for a 4 yard loss.
Pitt’s O line is getting beat a lot up front.

Comment by Dan 72 12.01.12 @ 7:59 pm

Our defense is looking good

Comment by Dr. Tom 12.01.12 @ 8:03 pm

He was in there

Comment by Tossing Thabeets 12.01.12 @ 8:07 pm

Sunseri is so bad!

Comment by Oklahomeboy 12.01.12 @ 8:09 pm

THAT was funny! ESPN’s announcers just assumed that Dip Stickseri wasn’t on the same page with his receiver when he ran a post and Tino the Magician threw a flag.

Those of us who have watched Scatter-armseri for three years knows the odds are that Tino WANTED to throw a post but couldn’t.

OMG, I cannot WAIT for the Sunseri regime as Pitt QB to be OVER! I’m soooo tired of being cynical!

Comment by Imma Man! Im 40! 12.01.12 @ 8:13 pm

Going from the SEC championship game to this is awful. Enough of this 4 or 5 major conference crap, there is only 1.

Comment by Chris 12.01.12 @ 8:15 pm

Okay, nobody’s harder on Tino the Magi than me. But THAT sack wasn’t his fault….

Comment by Imma Man! Im 40! 12.01.12 @ 8:18 pm

These ESpn announcers have to get memo’s to promote Sir Tino. Yea he protected the ball alright, right into the turf on another nosedive sack.

Brightside at least he didn’t fumble.

Should be 17 or 21- 0

Comment by Emel 12.01.12 @ 8:20 pm

Good first half….I have both games on my computer at the same time :-)

Back to hoops…

Comment by Jackagain 12.01.12 @ 8:20 pm

Imma….face it…you’re rooting for one more game for Tino… ;-)

Comment by Jackagain 12.01.12 @ 8:21 pm

They keep referring to his leadership. lol

Yea that’s why he wasn’t voted a team captain as a 5th yr senior QB.

Comment by Emel 12.01.12 @ 8:22 pm

Is it me or is Nick Saban an arrogant bastard?

Comment by Oklahomeboy 12.01.12 @ 8:23 pm

We have found another team though with a worse QB than us, so we have a good chance to win.

Comment by Emel 12.01.12 @ 8:23 pm

Yes but their qb is a red shirt freshman ours is a 5th year douche bag!

Comment by Oklahomeboy 12.01.12 @ 8:29 pm

Oklahoma boy, didn’t you get the memo about five years ago. Yes Nick Sabin is a big time arrogant bastard!

Comment by Dr. Tom 12.01.12 @ 8:38 pm

I will never forget the year Bama beat PSU in the championship game. Still brings a tear to my eye.

Comment by Oklahomeboy 12.01.12 @ 8:42 pm

Very happy for Shayne Hale. He has been playing well for several weeks now

Comment by Outlaw 12.01.12 @ 8:49 pm

Did anyone else just hear ESPN’s color commentator call him “Suckseri”? MY HERO!!!

Comment by Imma Man! Im 40! 12.01.12 @ 8:50 pm

Another fumbled snap!! That was so Sunseri….

Comment by Imma Man! Im 40! 12.01.12 @ 8:51 pm

I think I just blacked out. For a second, I thought I saw Tino step up in the pocket under pressure and fire the ball down field. I was unconscious, right?

Comment by CNorwoodAZ 12.01.12 @ 8:52 pm

That’s more like it!

Comment by Dr. Tom 12.01.12 @ 8:54 pm

Mr. Norwood…it actually happened…followed by a 5th year senior QB pulling away from the line on the wrong snap count again. Tino is showing us his full range of flaws tonight…but we are winning and he still hasn’t thrown a pick! good for you Tino…go getem…OK no more scotch!

Comment by Dan 72 12.01.12 @ 8:55 pm

No, it was Sunseri that was unconscious.

Comment by Dr. Tom 12.01.12 @ 8:55 pm

Sunseri must be good look at his stats! Heehee hoho.

Comment by Oklahomeboy 12.01.12 @ 8:58 pm

When did Ray Graham grow 4 inches to 6′-1? Because (since) Tino the Great is 6′-2, and RG is no more than an inch shorter….

Comment by Imma Man! Im 40! 12.01.12 @ 8:59 pm

Pitt hoops pulls away in the last 10 minutes, FYI. 74-61 final.

Comment by CNorwoodAZ 12.01.12 @ 9:03 pm

USF = Train wreck according to ESPN commentators. Ba!

Hail to Pitt!

Comment by Digdug 12.01.12 @ 9:03 pm

Wow. The Bulls are terrible. How does Skip Holtz still have a job?

Pitt football winning. PITT basketball gets the win.
Nice Saturday. Let’s hope the Black and Gold can bring one home tomorrow.

Comment by PITT Fan In Atlanta 12.01.12 @ 9:03 pm

This USF offense is in a complete shambles! Great catch by Shanahan

Comment by Dr. Tom 12.01.12 @ 9:05 pm

Serious question. Any predictions on Shell in the future?

Comment by Oklahomeboy 12.01.12 @ 9:08 pm

Holtz is an animal as a true freshman!

Comment by Dr. Tom 12.01.12 @ 9:08 pm

Our Holtz is better than your Holtz.

Comment by Outlaw 12.01.12 @ 9:09 pm

SHE

Comment by RayHpgh 12.01.12 @ 9:09 pm

Just did what they should have done earlier in the drive, if not for one of the chinciest holding calls I’ve ever seen.

Comment by Digdug 12.01.12 @ 9:09 pm

Come on Dr. Tom, Lou Holtz could have caught that TD!!!!! Lol.

Comment by CNorwoodAZ 12.01.12 @ 9:10 pm

Except for that flash of brilliance against Virginia Tech I think Shell still has a lot to prove!

Comment by Dr. Tom 12.01.12 @ 9:10 pm

Skip Holtz has a buyout clause of 2.5 million…..that’s why he has a job.

Comment by Jackagain 12.01.12 @ 9:11 pm

collegefootballnews.com, a fairly tuned in source has us in Liberty Bowl against Tulsa.

Comment by BCE 12.01.12 @ 9:12 pm

@Chris. I highly disagree, and have said this ad nauseum.

There are 3 great teams in the SEC, no doubt, Alabama, LSU, and Florida.

Then there are some good ones. Georgia and Texas A&M, without question.

I get that, and I give that up unconditionally!!!

What gets me though is, no one ever talks about the el crapola in the conference.

Kentucky, Tennessee, Vandy, Auburn this year, the Mississippi’s most years, Missouri.

Yes, they are the best conference, but it just bugs me when announcers and such talk about the conference year after year like it’s 14 teams of the Steelers, 49′ers, Cowboys and Packers.

Nothing but Super Bowl teams. I mean, some of the announcers literally embarrass themselves sometimes.

They’re the best, they’re great, I get it.

Pitt just beat Kentucky (SEC) a couple years ago.

Comment by Dan 12.01.12 @ 9:13 pm

What a great day to be a Pitt fan.

Watched another second half of an emerging Pitt basketball team on the computer.

Watching the game on TV… an asswhoppin’.

Hopefully tomorrow they announce that we will play the Hoopies in NYC.

97 is a beast. Hail to Aaron Donald.

HTP

Comment by Jeff in CPa 12.01.12 @ 9:13 pm

Nite all…Hail to Pitt in an easy one. Hope we get to see any other QB play.

Going to the Ravens/Steeler game tomorrow. Hope we can get the trifecta. Don’t want to make losing to these assholes a habit.

Comment by Dan 72 12.01.12 @ 9:14 pm

USF gave Skip Holtz to 3-year contract extension through 2017 in July.

Oooopsie.

Comment by CNorwoodAZ 12.01.12 @ 9:14 pm

That play by Todd Thomas was the EXACT same one flagged as (phantom) PI by homer Irish refs, the only reason ND and not Oregon is playing in the NCG…

Comment by Imma Man! Im 40! 12.01.12 @ 9:14 pm

@Chris. Not picking on you or your comment either. absolutely, Alabama, Georgia, LSU and Florida are like watching another level.

I understand your point.

Comment by Dan 12.01.12 @ 9:16 pm

Good point about bottom half of the SEC, Dan. However, just one minor correction: this year, Vandy is actually pretty good…

Comment by Imma Man! Im 40! 12.01.12 @ 9:16 pm

Get #78 a hearing aid…

Comment by Jackagain 12.01.12 @ 9:17 pm

Way too many penalties on the offensive line

Comment by Dr. Tom 12.01.12 @ 9:20 pm

And to be fair, Missouri, Kentucky, Mississippi St., etc have to play 4 or 5 teams that send 6-8 guys to the NFL every season.

Missouri played five teams ranked in the top 10 this season.

Comment by CNorwoodAZ 12.01.12 @ 9:21 pm

As well as our defense has played tonight I hope that they can get their first shut out of the season

Comment by Dr. Tom 12.01.12 @ 9:25 pm

Yoklic having his best day as a panther. Going to miss Shanahan, how many career catches without having to play for fraud?

Hope they can put together the Manhattan Brawl

Comment by gc 12.01.12 @ 9:26 pm

Well I cursed them by mentioning the shutout

Comment by Dr. Tom 12.01.12 @ 9:32 pm

Skip doesn’t want a shutout on Senior Day…the fans don’t like it though.

Comment by Jackagain 12.01.12 @ 9:33 pm

You have to hand it to the USF fans hanging in there. I think we can all relate!

Comment by Oklahomeboy 12.01.12 @ 9:34 pm

And there goes Ray for his first 1,000 yard season!!!!!

Comment by CNorwoodAZ 12.01.12 @ 9:36 pm

you’ve got to be kidding me

Comment by panther94 12.01.12 @ 9:36 pm

i’m on a delay…go Ray!

Comment by panther94 12.01.12 @ 9:37 pm

Defense got better all year, except for the burp in Connecticut

Ray padding stats, well deserved.

What’s the over/under on Tino throwing an interception?

Comment by gc 12.01.12 @ 9:39 pm

Tino passed Marino so he must be better….right? I mean, stats don’t lie…..right? ~throwing up~

Comment by Jackagain 12.01.12 @ 9:40 pm

We should be shell-acking them now.

Comment by panther94 12.01.12 @ 9:40 pm

Gonna miss Shanny so much…

Hail to Pitt!

Comment by Digdug 12.01.12 @ 9:43 pm

Dan Marino was just heard to comment WTF!

Comment by Oklahomeboy 12.01.12 @ 9:43 pm

I would like to see Tino come from behind in the 4th quarter against the hoopies and win the Brawl going out….

Comment by Jackagain 12.01.12 @ 9:44 pm

Let’s get Shanny a TD catch.

Comment by CNorwoodAZ 12.01.12 @ 9:44 pm

chances pitt vs. wvu in the bronx??

Comment by Keith 12.01.12 @ 9:45 pm

Hail to Pitt

Comment by gc 12.01.12 @ 9:47 pm

^^^^^^^^^^
That!

Comment by CNorwoodAZ 12.01.12 @ 9:49 pm

Bring on the Hoopies. H2P!!!!!!!!!

Comment by TX Panther 12.01.12 @ 9:50 pm

Sorry, but this team should not be going to a bowl. I know it will be good for the players and blah blah blah, but ……

Comment by Oklahomeboy 12.01.12 @ 9:51 pm

Thank goodness USF has no offense…glad to see them eligible though.

Comment by J Bizz 12.01.12 @ 9:52 pm

Oklahomeboy…how can you say that when this team has been through so much turmoil? We are eligible and our seniors deserve it.

Comment by panther94 12.01.12 @ 9:58 pm

Panther94 you are right but we are not good. I guess I am just frustrated.

Comment by Oklahomeboy 12.01.12 @ 10:01 pm

In closing there is always next year!

Comment by Oklahomeboy 12.01.12 @ 10:02 pm

I guess ESPN will tell us what bowl we play in.

Two victories in one hour – hard to top that.

Congrats to players.

Comment by frank MD 12.01.12 @ 10:04 pm

Can I say…. told you so..

I predicted 6-6 at the before the 1st game..

Comment by Joe D 12.01.12 @ 10:07 pm

We are who we are. We are Pitt. And we will beat the toothless inbred couch burning Hoopies in New York or my name isn’t TX Panther from Mansfield TEXAS.

Comment by TX Panther 12.01.12 @ 10:10 pm

I was thinking 2-10 after that YSU game. They pulled it together. Goodbye Big East. It’s been real.

Comment by Chris 12.01.12 @ 10:11 pm

No you can’t Joe. lol

Comment by Emel 12.01.12 @ 10:16 pm

Thank God for (what is it) 36 Bowl games and counting. Oy Vey !

Amazing you can still reach a bowl game when you lose to a D2 team and some other horrendous teams, like Uconn.

But according to ESPN we should feel fortunate to have been led by the great Sir Tino. The way they talk him up, I’m expecting Mel Kiper to continue the diatribe and get our Tino drafted. After all he did pass HOF’er Marino in Total Offense. Right

Good victory, lol
It helps to play a team like USF who basically layed down in the 1rst Q. Reminiscent of the 1rst Q of the Va Tech game. That was one of the worst teams I’ve seen for awhile in FBS, even worse than UConn. Still can’t believe we finished below .500 in this version of the BigLeast. IKR.

Well at least we leave this schmuck conf, as a winner, sort of. Don’t know how I feel about possibly playing the Hoopies in a Bowl. They have actually played a lot of real football teams this year. We would need a lot of turnovers to stay in the game I believe. Anyway we can get the USF QB to somehow tranfer to Wvcc before the bowl game.

Just a thought :-)

HTP
VEV
GRP

Comment by Emel 12.01.12 @ 10:25 pm

I personally think they finished pretty strong.

Won their last two games. Could have easily lost them, and been 4-8, and we would all be saying the same things of “wait till next year”, “let’s see what the coaches recruits can do” etc. etc., including myself.

They didn’t, they won the last two.

Chryst’s first year. Pounded Va. Tech, shoulda, woulda, coulda, but had Notre Dame beat, and was Notre Dame’s closest game to being eliminated from the NC.

Had some horribles, YSU, the UCONN abyss.

6-6, won the last two. Going to a bowl. (yes, meaningless, watered down, but better than being in the group of 60 that aren’t going.) i.e. recruiting, practice time, and at least giving the seniors that fought so hard a trip.

Ya, we had some penalties tonight, and the “o” line had some lapses, etc. etc.,

but, frankly, what I saw was a total ass-whipping.

This game was a lot closer to 49-3 than it was to 27-24!!!

I don’t get to say this too often, but after the 1st quarter, there was no doubt in my mind who was going to win this game. None at all.

Hail to Pitt!!!

Comment by Dan 12.01.12 @ 10:33 pm

Your are correct sir (Dan-o)

The game should have been closer to 49-3. Just looked at the stats, USF had like 121 yards of Total Offense. Pathetic and just what the Doctor ordered for our boys in Blue & Gold.

Onward to……Beef, Liberty or Pinstripe.

Please, please anywhere but Birmingham Bridge Bowl again. Although is that closer for Sal & Roxy or would the Liberty be closer. Memphis should be closer to Knoxville than Birm. if Sal still has a job at UT. Didn’t see anything.

Comment by Emel 12.01.12 @ 10:44 pm

Hey Emel, you seen wbb posting lately???

Comment by Dan 12.01.12 @ 10:53 pm

Neat way to end the season…defense has been awesome the last 2 games (gave up only 9 points)…the offense has shown promise…and I know that I will be lambasted for this comment but…I think that Chryst’s best coaching job has been turning Tino into a serviceable QB

So I actually have some optimism for the future of this team…I think that if we had this coaching staff last year, this year might well have turned out a lot different…

Lets hope we get a chance to meet the Hoopies in NY…Hail To Pitt!

Comment by Leaseman 12.01.12 @ 10:56 pm

I think Chryst deserves great credit because he found what Tino could do and could not do. I am sure he already has an idea about the QBs next year because that is how he will design the offense.

Comment by frank MD 12.01.12 @ 11:16 pm

Interesting, first time we have ever had a 3,000 yd passer with a 1,000 yd rusher in a season, and yet we are 6 and 6. If nothing else, PC knows how to get the most out of offense. I think we are trending up as we move to the ACC.

Comment by HbgFrank 12.02.12 @ 12:27 am

All I’m saying is we need to score first in our bowl game.

Comment by panther94 12.02.12 @ 12:40 am

Sunseri didn’t pass Marino – he passed Palko in all time yardage.

Comment by Reed 12.02.12 @ 4:37 am

Defense, Defense, Defense.
If your O is always 3 and out it puts a strain on your D.
Toni took one of the worst sacks ever: certainly the worst sack by a 24 year old non-Mormon college QB!
Todd Thomas is a stud.
The suspension of Cam reminds me of the guy in Buffalo a few years back: the special teams whiz who on the day of his last game, after pre-game ceremonies in his honor, got kicked out early.
If Cam committed a suspendable offense, then he needed to be suspended. Candidly, Jones is a better player.
Anyone see the 2007 rankings on TV. Granted it didn’t last long but USF and BC in the top 5!
I like USF’s future more than BC.
I like ours even better.

Comment by SFPitt 12.02.12 @ 5:57 am

Huxtable has really turned things around nicely with this defensive unit. And to think that many on here were calling for all his resignation. Now, I hope he isn’t going anywhere. This really was a rebuilding year for Pitt, and despite of that, we did well! I know all of us Pitt fans are tired of hearing this, but we really do have a lot to look forward to in the future. Stevie P got it right with this hire and we are in good hands. Now more than ever I am looking forward to next year and the years to ocme. H2P

Comment by pittisit37 12.02.12 @ 7:20 am

SFPitt – we had 11 series last night and had two 3 & outs. We held the ball for more than 41 minutes on offense which is almost unheard of.

Not sure what else you can ask for in a football game rather than that.

Sunseri still takes terrible sacks. Always has and always will no matter where he’s playing.

Comment by Reed 12.02.12 @ 7:21 am

Reed.
My point precisely. Good to see you come around on this!
Someday, I’ll grace the board with my overtime strategy regarding offense and defense and which to choose and when.
Yeah, I know Tino takes silly sacks, but that 29 yard sack AND FUMBLE set college football back 60 years.

Comment by SFPitt 12.02.12 @ 7:59 am

Overall, good game for the players and coaches. Tino made his standard mistakes but also threw a few nice passes. Reed you are so right though, Tino will always take bad sacks no matter what.

Comment by Floyd 12.02.12 @ 8:16 am

No one was injured when a Pitt bus carrying broadcast and equipment staff members hit a gate and police barricade in front of Raymond James Stadium.

Can you say “Live Wire?”

Comment by PittofDreams 12.02.12 @ 8:22 am

ESPN’s fifth team announcers made Tino sound like a 1st round draft choice.

LOL My Noo Yawk Jets are dumb enough to pick Tinoboy in the 5th or 6th round.

Next year will see a much improved Panther team against better competition…HTP!!!

Comment by isnore 12.02.12 @ 8:23 am

Sunseri went over 3,000 yards passing on the season and Ray Graham broke the 1,000-yard rushing barrier. That’s the first time in Pitt history that the team has had both in the same season – Sam Werner Post Gazette

This little tidbit tells us we have something to look forward to.

Wait until Chryst has a quarterback who can win the close games.

Comment by PittofDreams 12.02.12 @ 8:27 am

Did Tino set the ncaa record for sacks or yds sacked??

Comment by alcofan 12.02.12 @ 8:52 am

Given the circumstances surrounding this Pitt football team and all the negative press by “Pitt fans” everywhere, a 6 and 6 finish and an invitation to a bowl game is a nice gift for Pitt’s senior class. Hopefully, returning players will learn from the highs and lows of the 2012 season and prepare for playing in a new conference. With the way teams are moving in and out of conferences, it would not suprise me if Pitt ended up in the B1G conference. But for now it’s the ACC.

I’m hoping to see Pitt play in the Big Apple against WVU but any bowl invitation is better than having players sitting home dreaming of what might have been.

Good luck to this senior class. You have memories that will last a lifetime – we Panther Alumni and fans sure do.

HTP!

Comment by MariettaMike 12.02.12 @ 9:08 am

Neither Pitt or WVU will be at the Pinstripe. WVU wants and deserves a better bowl. We will be in Memphis against Tulsa. One more game with Tino can’t come fast enough.mim going if its in Memphis and I will bring Texas Panther with me! Haha.

Comment by Upittbaseball 12.02.12 @ 9:28 am

Although we maligned Tino in this blog all season for his “bone head” actions, we have to believe that coach Chryst knew that Tino was our best quarterback this season. Now that AT (After Tino) is upon us, speculation on Tino’s successor should keep this blog churning until the spring game.

It would have been nice to see a backup quarterback get some playing time this season but coach Chryst’s decision to stay with Tino should help Tino’s successor know that he will not be pulled from a game for making a bonehead play.

One aspect of Tino’s game that I’d like to see in our next quarterback is that he be as durable as Tino. I’m sure other Pitt fan’s will have other wishes… :-)

Comment by MariettaMike 12.02.12 @ 9:29 am

I’m gonna miss seeing Mike Shanahan play in a Pitt uniform. I’m happy for him that he survived a year of obscurity in Fraud’s offense. The kid’s been money since he was a freshman.

Comment by Joe Lawrence 12.02.12 @ 9:35 am

@ Upittbaseball — Why do you think WVU deserves a better bowl game? Admittedly, WVU has a decent offense but a very poor defense. WVU has been overrated from the start of the season.

If Pitt gets an invitation to the Memphis bowl, so be it but I’d like to see Pitt play and defeat WVU to squash all Mountaineer fans’ braggadocio who like to invade this Pitt blog. HTP!

Comment by MariettaMike 12.02.12 @ 9:39 am

Love that shanahan. I think Pitt ends up in that Beef Bowl in Florida. WVU does deserve a better bowl but it comes down to what ESPN wants and they want the highest TV ratings so they make the most money. Pitt should be proud how they finished the year. I knew the finish would be more telling than the beginning. I now know that Chryst is the right coach. Pitt’s D has been something special these past 2 weeks. And, with a better QB and one that becomes familiar with the system, look out on offense. Foster should be announcing soon. We’ll know our bowl by days end. I’m hoping for the Pinstripe. Way to go seniors. You deserve it.

Comment by TX Panther 12.02.12 @ 9:45 am

@ Joe Lawrence, I concur your comments.

Comment by MariettaMike 12.02.12 @ 9:46 am

“Sunseri went over 3,000 yards passing on the season and Ray Graham broke the 1,000-yard rushing barrier. That’s the first time in Pitt history that the team has had both in the same season – Sam Werner Post Gazette”

Just curious, how many total yards receiving + YAC did Shanaham have, and did that also break a record?

Comment by 17YearsAtPitt 12.02.12 @ 9:52 am

Now my man Shanahan IS NFL Draft material. I see him going by the third round. Like he said “MONEY”!

Comment by Dr. Tom 12.02.12 @ 9:56 am

Would be nice to see PITT vs. WVU in NYC but would be easier to make the 1.5 hr drive over to Birmingham on Jan 5. Simply an easier trip for me. Projection is that they will play the Ole Miss.

PITT BBall looks goods. I really like the second half adjustment that Dixon does. Could be a fun year.

Comment by Pitt fan in Atlanta 12.02.12 @ 10:07 am

Dr. Tom – let’s wait on that 40 time for Shanny first … I have a feeling it’s going to be in the 5.2 range. Maybe as a TE I guess but I don’t think he’s athletic enough to be strictly a pass catching TE a la Gates, Gonzalez and the other basketball rejects.

I wish him well though.

Comment by Tossing Thabeets 12.02.12 @ 10:16 am

MariettaMike, I think the conference they WVU competed in was substantially better than the Big East. Look at the strength of schedule and who year beat and who they almost beat. They beat Texas, Baylor and almost beat OU. I agree their defense is atrocious, but overall they competed in a solid conference. As far as us, I’m excited about they future and I do agree the end of our season was way better than the beginning. I guess we see tonight but my guess is we play in Memphis and WVU in San Diego.

Comment by Upittbaseball 12.02.12 @ 10:19 am

More than Shanahan, Pitt is really going to miss having Ray Graham next year. In my opinion, it’s Graham more than any other player that makes this team go.

Shell has yet to show he’s capable of being counted on to carry the load.

He’s obviously got some talent, but certainly not the breakaway back many mistakenly thought he would be coming out of high school.

By next year, after adding at least another ten pounds, Shell will be limited to being more of a power back than anything else. And the way he runs, he’s going to need every one of them with the pounding he’s going to take.

A better offensive line will help, but Chryst has to get lucky and find a back, if not with true breakaway speed at least someone, who can get through the holes quickly.

Corey Clement would have been that back. Maybe it’s Jo Jo Heath who’s coming in for a visit.

Comment by PittofDreams 12.02.12 @ 10:20 am

Congratulations to Coach Chryst, his staff, Tino and the Pitt Football Team on the win and going to a bowl. While it is easy to look back and see what could have been (win overYSU UConn, ND etc.)
you can only win the game in front of you and Pitt did that. I don’t think there is a person on this board who doesn’t believe the Pitt Program is on an upswing and in good hands with the current coaching staff! HTP!

Comment by Dan 72 12.02.12 @ 10:21 am

Jo Jo Kemp.

Jo Jo Heath would be good too but he’s a little old.

Comment by PittofDreams 12.02.12 @ 10:26 am

Syracuse will end up in the Pinstripe Bowl playing…??? The large Orange alumni base and limited travel distance to Noo Yawk makes them the pick to represent The Teeny Weeny East.

Pitt will once again head to a bowl played in an empty stadium somewhere south of the Mason-Dixon Line. In any case it will be a big plus for our younger players and a chance for our seniors to showcase themselves for the NFL.

Comment by isnore 12.02.12 @ 11:03 am

Shanahan is an ideal TE in the NFL…
He will get drafted by 5th round…
Many people have said, Shanny is a TE playing the WR position.
Pass catching TE are extremely valuable and highly sought after in the NFL these days.

Comment by Joe D 12.02.12 @ 11:27 am

Those of you saying WVU deserves a better bowl, don’t you think players and fans alike would rather play Pitt in NYC than some other middle-tier bowl game. I mean really would this even be a discussion amongst the hoopie faithful, they want Pitt and we want them. End of story.

Comment by Vulcan Rob 12.02.12 @ 11:29 am

MariettaMike – there was never any question that Chryst was going to start any other QB over Sunseri. Nor was their any real competition in either the Spring or Summer camps. PITT fans hate to hear this but Sunseri was, by far, the best QB on the roster this year.

Next year is a different story though with at least two QBs who will battle it out – and could be three depending on whether the staff wants to give Anderson a shot.

Comment by Reed 12.02.12 @ 11:32 am

It’s got to be tough for you Tino bashing boneheads to keep the ABT going in light of the counter opinions from objective analysts and any objective evidence that can be gleaned from statistics. Of course if those statistics, that are used to evaluate every collegiate QB, don’t conveniently support your subjective opinion, then dismiss them as irrelevant. That makes a hell of an argument. It also demonstrates a lot of arrogance. You’re smarter than objective statistics and three FBS head coaches.

Comment by Barvo 12.02.12 @ 11:35 am

The good news is that…..
Pitt won their last two games.
Pitt is 6-6 and is bowl eligible.
Pitt has put behind it the turmoil of the last two seasons.
The bad news is that….
Tino Sunseri will play quarterback for one more Pitt Panther game.
The better news is that…
Tino Swunseri’s Pitt career ends after the next game.

Comment by Penguins Fan 12.02.12 @ 11:36 am

Who is going to be QB next year?

Comment by Chris 12.02.12 @ 12:35 pm

Pitt will play in the Pinstripe or the Beff bowl. Officials from those games have been quoted as being interested in Pitt. Also read that the Pinstripe would have to move “down”
to take both Pitt and WVU, so I’m not sure WVU deserves better than the Pinstripe.

Comment by HbgFrank 12.02.12 @ 12:41 pm

One more thing…I think Shell is going to be a dominating RB for the next few years at Pitt. I love watching that kid play football.

Comment by HbgFrank 12.02.12 @ 12:44 pm

Barvo – most fans realize Tino hasn’t been awful this year. He’s become such a lightening rod for criticism (some very justly so) that he will never be able to prove himself. Part of his problem and the reason for the adverse fan reaction to him has been his attitude. Some of the stuff he’s said has been just as boneheaded as any plays he’s made on the football field. Pitt fans never embraced him and, unfortunately, he’ll never get the credit he deserves for having a very good senior year (numbers wise).

Bill Stull was disliked almost as much heading into his senior year. He had two things in his favor though. 1. He was likeable 2. He won and put the team on his back a few times and won Panther Nation over.

Tino has not been very likable and has never “won” a game in the 4th quarter (at least as far as I can remember).

I’m not saying it’s fair but it’s the way it played out.

Comment by Tossing Thabeets 12.02.12 @ 12:50 pm

Tino was never as big as the opportunity. He never put the team in his back, never brought the team from begin for a win, never made “the play” when it was needed the most and the game was in the line.

He was subject to a lot of criticism, but that comes with the position. Especially for a 3 year starter. He put up some nice numbers, but I think those stats in proper context will always be his legacy.

Comment by ECH 12.02.12 @ 1:05 pm

In Vegas for a meeting, has to really lobby hard to get one of the 40+ TVs in the bar I was in switched over from the SEC Championship to Pitt/USF, haha! Not a great game for the offense mostly because of drive killing penalties, but they did enough. Great game for Shanahan. USF offense awful but still give D credit. After the first 2 games, they’ve been pretty stout with the exception of Q3 vs Louisville and not showing up for 1st half vs UConn. Todd Thomas makes a huge impact and Donald really turned it on down the stretch. Was it me or was PC actually showing a hint of emotion at times during this game?

Comment by Iron Duke 12.02.12 @ 1:09 pm

It was interesting to hear the announcers talking about Tino last night — Brock Huard especially seemed “critical without being critical” of Tino’s INT mark, citing how he rarely takes any chances, even to the detriment of the drive (i.e. holding onto the ball, taking 20 yard sacks).
A lot of the announcers all year have just been playing up the “three year starter” and “fifth year senior” angles but the guys last night offered a slightly different context — one that a lot of people have been pointing out on here for awhile.

Comment by JW 12.02.12 @ 1:13 pm

@ Cris, the more important question,,,, who WON’T be our quarterback next year? No offense intended to you BARVO, but ,,, all together now ABT Club, TINO SUNSERI!

Comment by Dr. Tom 12.02.12 @ 2:17 pm

No Birmingham please!

My first choice, obviously, is playing WVU in the Pinstripe Bowl. NYC is nowhere near me, but at least it won’t be just another meaningless bowl game.

My second choice would be the St. Pete bowl game because it’s 45 minutes from my house.

Comment by Jimbo Covert's My Dad 12.02.12 @ 2:28 pm

Hey Emel, you seen wbb posting lately???

Comment by Dan 12.01.12 @ 10:53 pm

Nope haven’t seen wbb for months and haven’t seen Frankcan for awhile either. Week or two.

Comment by Emel 12.02.12 @ 3:09 pm

Sunseri didn’t pass Marino – he passed Palko in all time yardage.

Comment by Reed 12.02.12 @ 4:37 am

That’s what ESPN said during the game. Think it was Total Offense they said. Palko was a lot better QB, took us to a BCS bowl in his Sophomore year. No comparison !

Comment by Emel 12.02.12 @ 3:12 pm

One aspect of Tino’s game that I’d like to see in our next quarterback is that he be as durable as Tino. I’m sure other Pitt fan’s will have other wishes… :-)
Comment by MariettaMike 12.02.12 @ 9:29 am

lol I agree with that, nothing but nothing, come hell or high water could get Sir Tino OUT of the game.

Not even 3 different head coaches. :-)

Comment by Emel 12.02.12 @ 3:18 pm

More than Shanahan, Pitt is really going to miss having Ray Graham next year. In my opinion, it’s Graham more than any other player that makes this team go
Comment by PittofDreams 12.02.12 @ 10:20 am

You are exactly right PoD
Ray Ray was the only game changer, play maker on this team. The kid just needed a slit in the line or one block and he was gone.
He was the best RB in the country last year before he got hurt. His performance in an offense which created space, was just incredible.

If you remember he even caught the attn and got commented on by LeBron after the USF game last year. One great athlete recognizing another. He certainly should have a good career in the NFL, as their offenses are starting to create more space, score more points, etc. In an effort to make the league more exciting, Steelers/Ravens non-withstanding.

If Ray Ray gets on the right team like Larod Stephens did, he could be a real star. Another in a long line of great PITT RB’s.

Comment by Emel 12.02.12 @ 3:27 pm

Not so sure about Shanahan. Doesn’t have exactly NFL speed, only had 4-5 TD catches. But who knows, he like Sir Tino do some amazing things with their talent.

Comment by Emel 12.02.12 @ 3:30 pm

@Barvo

So you’re saying Sir Tino is then the 3rd or 4rth best QB to ever play at PITT based on statistics ?
Or some objective (?) ESPN analysts (Brock Huard ?) Who have seen Sir Tino play a couple times. lol

Is that what you’re saying ? Really

Comment by Emel 12.02.12 @ 3:37 pm

Appears Skip has been canned from USF, after Pitt put the proverbial nail in the coffin last night.

Hail to Pitt!

Comment by Digdug 12.02.12 @ 4:18 pm

Small consolation Prize, we now have somebody to blame all this Conference Palooza reshuffling on: now we know for certain, yes indeed the Devil did inhabit Creepy Valley, in more ways than one ! lol

“Twenty-one years ago, when Penn State’s move to the Big Ten caused colleges’ tectonic plates to rumble, coaches first began whispering of the superconferences that might one day form. Now, as the rumbles have turned to earthquakes, with one school or another changing allegiance seemingly every day, they speak openly of a superconference utopia. ”

From ESPN the Magazine “The Rise of NCAA SuperConferences”

Comment by Emel 12.02.12 @ 4:30 pm

Just told by my buddy Pitt vs Tulsa in autozone bowl. Wvu playing Oregon state in San Diego. Hope it’s not true.

Comment by why me 12.02.12 @ 5:02 pm

Syracuse confirmed for Pinstripe Bowl according to ESPN

Comment by KeyboardKev 12.02.12 @ 5:21 pm

Ball rushed for 202 yards and three more touchdowns Saturday night, leading the Badgers to a 70-31 rout of No. 14 Nebraska for a third straight Big Ten championship and a third consecutive trip to the Rose Bowl.

Wisconsin’s offense appears to be just fine.
70 points with a 3rd string QB against someone the caliber of Nebraska. That ain’t Gardner Webb folks. :-)

Yes I’ve been hearing the Libery Bowl as well against Tulsa ( and guess who’s spread) (current Tulsa coach is a leftover of Graham’s staff, Tulsa won C-USA)

Comment by Emel 12.02.12 @ 5:28 pm

Interesting, Syracuse has only been bowl eligible like twice in the last 10 years or so.

Both bowls would be the Pinstripe. Seems like that bowl was created for them by ESpn. lol

Comment by Emel 12.02.12 @ 5:29 pm

College football is ALL about money so not surprised by anything unless it is NOT about money.

B10 looking at GT but I cannot believe GT would entertain going to play all sports in Midwest.

It is musical TV chairs.

Comment by frank MD 12.02.12 @ 5:57 pm

BTW…Pitt did not cancel with UCF. UCF dropped Pitt in lieu of playing in Columbus for a real big pay day.
UCF could have beaten OSU that day: only their “wide eyed” mistakes took them out of the game.

Comment by SFPitt 12.02.12 @ 6:05 pm

frank MD, I sure can. Money, stability, and a seat at the table. What’s not to like?

Comment by Chris 12.02.12 @ 6:05 pm

“Pittsburgh is headed back to Birmingham for the third year in a row, where it will meet Ole Miss in the BBVA Compass Bowl”

Comment by Bossdaws 12.02.12 @ 6:47 pm

With about 75 yards receiving in a bowl game, Shanahan or 125 by Street, Pitt would have an unprecedented 3,000 yard passer, 1,000 rusher & receiver in the same year.

H2P

Comment by Hey Fralic, what do you do for fun? 12.02.12 @ 6:48 pm

Pitt will NOT be in BBVA bowl next year because BBVA not affiliated with ACC.

Comment by frank MD 12.02.12 @ 6:56 pm

Post Gazette: WVU vs Syracuse in Pinstripe Bowl.

Comment by Bowling Green Panther 12.02.12 @ 7:02 pm

lol apparently wvcc didn’t rate a better bowl.
PG says our ACC conf. pals Cuse get NYC with
the Hoopies.

Which confirms my hypothesis from above. lol

Comment by Emel 12.02.12 @ 7:06 pm

Got the trifecta – I was the one standing in the end zone with the Black and Gold with Suisham’s kick. Hail to Pitt…Glad we are not playing the wretched refuse from WVU/ Getting my ticks to Birminghan on Monday. Great weeked for Pittsburgh Sports##

Comment by Dan 72 12.02.12 @ 7:42 pm

Birmingham again stinks.

But, I love the matchup. Ole Miss. SEC. Someone we haven’t played in forever, if at all.

Comment by Dan 12.02.12 @ 7:50 pm

Don’t know if there is a Song named this, but there should be !

Singin the Birmingham Blues

Comment by Emel 12.02.12 @ 7:51 pm

Since BBVA in January at least Chryst has much time to work with team although practice times fixed.

Comment by frank MD 12.02.12 @ 7:54 pm

So it’s the Redmont Hotel in Birmingham with their 14th floor rooftop bar.

I was hoping for the Peabody Hotel in Memphis instead. Oh well drinks will be more economical at the Redmont. Always a bright side !

Comment by Emel 12.02.12 @ 7:55 pm

yep all that extra practice time for Sir Tino.

Helped a lot against YSU !

Comment by Emel 12.02.12 @ 7:57 pm

@dan

must live in the same area!! i saw u on the tube. yellow shirt right?

Comment by goalie44 12.02.12 @ 8:03 pm

I can’t ever remember playing the Rebels as long as I’ve followed Pitt football. Will Archie Manning be at the game?

BigEast teams have done well against lower echelon SEC teams this year.

Buttgers won @ Arkansas
Syracuse won @ Mizzou (when Mizzou needed a win to get to 6 wins)

Ole Miss has a dual threat QB who passed for 19 TD’s and ran for an additional 8 TD’s. Also throws a lot of picks (15). Haven’t seen him play so I can say if he’s worse than Sir Tino.

Comment by Emel 12.02.12 @ 8:34 pm

Since I live in Atlanta, I’ll go to see Pitt play the Rebels. HTP!

Comment by MariettaMike 12.02.12 @ 8:40 pm

Nashville here. I think I may go as well.

Comment by Pitt Is IT 12.02.12 @ 8:57 pm

That loss to YSU continues to pay dividends. I was pumped to get a shot at WVU in the Pinstripe. Although, I do like the chance to take on an SEC team. If you listen to Finebaum you know that even the worst SEC team is better than any other BCS Conferences best.

Comment by HbgFrank 12.02.12 @ 9:00 pm

Per an old Media Guide, Pitt has not ever played Ole Miss (nor Miss St. for that matter).

Kind of weird for a program with over 600 wins.

Comment by Hey Fralic, what do you do for fun? 12.02.12 @ 9:24 pm

Really pissed about not getting to play WVU, but the worst part is playing in January when it’s meaningless. I like playing during ‘Bowl Week’. I’m happy that Pitt gets another game, but I was really preferring the beef or pinstripe bowl.

Comment by Vulcan Rob 12.02.12 @ 9:36 pm

I blame Stevie for not getting us the Pinstripe or Beef. He is worthless.

Comment by TX Panther 12.02.12 @ 9:52 pm

While I like playing old Miss, the powers that be really blue this one. Back Yard Brawl in the Big Apple would have been a real winner. I think Pitt Fans would have attended and the PR and viewership would have been amazing. Outside of the immediate fans, who is going to watch either one of these bowls? Pitt vs. WVU would command more of a National audience, and a much better build-up.

Comment by gc 12.02.12 @ 9:59 pm

Per link to cfbdatawarehouse.com

Pitt has never played Ole Miss. That’s the one thing that will make it interesting – but Go Pitt!

Comment by KeyboardKev 12.02.12 @ 10:22 pm

Worthless? We should all get down on our knees and thank Stevie the Pete for getting us to the Birmingham Grand Kleagle Bowl three years in a row. And packing litterally hundreds into Heinz Field for Pitt home games.

It is not just any AD that would give Dave Wannstedt a contract extension, then have no Dave Wannstedt, then hire Mike Heywood, then have no Mike Heywood, then hire Toddie praise the lord Graham, then have no Toddie Graham, then hire Paul Chryst (maybe, because all of the reports were he was against him, and wanted to hire the legendary Mario Christobal).

Hats off to Paul Chryst. If Pitt had a real QB this year, even a Bill Stull, it would be playing in a BCS bowl. This may be the best 6-6 team in the country. And there could not be a person that deserves a bowl game more than him. The guy is a total class act.

But, I will admit, he is no Bill Callahan.

Comment by PO'd Panther 12.02.12 @ 10:24 pm

Ole Miss under Hugh Freese is legit. They had LSU beat and they beat the piss out of Mississippi State. They are in first year under Freese who was a top coach option last year. They are on the upswing. Offense is just like Tex AM. I hope we destroy them but I’m afraid it won’t be close. Plus 3/4 of Legion Field will be Red and Blue.

Comment by Upittbaseball 12.02.12 @ 10:31 pm

Considering how the Panther’s lost the 1st two games and then after the heartbraking loss in South Bend, laying an egg at UConn, I’m just glad they were able to play well in the last two games and make it to a bowl.

Any word on recruiting on the recruiting outlook?

Comment by Justinian 12.02.12 @ 10:42 pm

Don’t worry Upittbaseball,

We will fall behind by 3 TD’s and Sir Tino will lead his first ever and last ever 4rth quarter comeback to lead us to victory.

I’ve had a vision ! lol

P.S. won some money on Charlie Batch today so anything is possible :-)

Comment by Emel 12.02.12 @ 10:47 pm

After all I did predict ND in the NC game before we played them.

And Georgia covered the spread !!

Comment by Emel 12.02.12 @ 10:48 pm

Sagarin’s rates Old Miss 4 points better than Pitt. Giving home field advantage to Old Miss based on likely butts in seats, Sagarin’s would have them a 7 point favorite.

Comment by Pitt1972 12.02.12 @ 10:50 pm

Well, at least we are going to a bowl. Something that I would not have predicted after the YSU loss. NYC would have been nice (and cold) but so be it. I’ll fill up the tank and make the short trip across the border 1.5 hours to Birmingham to watch PITT. Will load up the SUV with the family and friends. Not so bad after all.

It will be nice to see how we play now that we have a head coach for the first time in this bowl.

ole Miss should be an interesting game.

HTP

Comment by PITT FAN in ATLANTA 12.02.12 @ 10:55 pm

@Po’d Panther
Just hope/pray that SP does not get a contract extension.

Comment by sfpitt 12.02.12 @ 11:33 pm

I’ve always been a fan of Ray Graham, but this quote makes me cringe:

“To get to run out of that tunnel with my boys one more time before I take my talents to the next level, and I’m happy about this.”

Comment by panther94 12.03.12 @ 12:39 am

Woke up to find out we’re playing Ole Miss.

Very solid team at 6 and 6.

Passing offense competitive with Pitt. Rushing better than Pitt. Overall Defense better than Pitt.

Ole Miss Qb Bo Wallace does have a tendency to turn the ball over. The other good news is he’s no relation the other Wallace from Ole Miss and not nearly as fast.

Guessing Pitt will be the underdog in this one.

Two pretty evenly matched teams. Sets up as a hard fought physical football game.

Comment by PittofDreams 12.03.12 @ 5:14 am

Correction… Pitt Defense better overall than Ole Miss with regard to Points Allowed.

However, Ole Miss is ranked 13th in sacks with 34 to Pitt’s 23.

When you’re playing against Tino this alone can make you the BETTER Defense.

Comment by PittofDreams 12.03.12 @ 5:36 am

7 point spread sounds right given home field advantage. Pitt’s D is peaking and Chryst will have a full month to work on the offense. Injured and banged up players get to rest. I like our chances. Think Pitt will get a good turnout at this bowl? I’m hoping for at least 5k fans to bring some yellow to the sea of blue and red. Is Ole Miss the school that used to parade the Confederate flag?

Comment by TX Panther 12.03.12 @ 6:44 am

Monday morning,lets get ready for “The City Game”.

Comment by alcofan 12.03.12 @ 8:02 am

I just finished doing the math and even though I would have loved the “Brawl in the Bronx” match up I must admit that my checking account is going to start off much fuller in 2013 than it would have if Pitt played WVU in the Pinstripe Bowl.

See, my wife caught scent of that potential last week and already has us ready to make reservations at a NYC hotel with a room overlooking Central Park. She wanted to see “The Lion King” on Broadway and ring in the New Year in the Big Apple as well during our stay in the city. So needless to say, we were going to spend a few days in New York City if Pitt played there.

Tickets to the Pinstripe Bowl x2 $250
Three nights hotel reservations $1,900
Three nights hotel parking $180
Three days dining $400
Broadway play tickets x2 $225
New Year’s Eve party tickets $180
The required “shopping” bill $900

Sitting at home watching the Panthers beat Old Miss on TV with beer in hand on Jan 5th, PRICELESS!!!!!!!!

Comment by Dr. Tom 12.03.12 @ 8:14 am

TX Panther & PO’d Panther, you do realize that if PC grows into a decent HFC and good recruiter, I’m afraid yinz might need to find a new cause to champion. With that, the Pete, football facilities second to none (yes, thanks to the Stillers), Jamie Dixon, getting Pitt into the ACC… and my personal fave: renewing the PUS series (even if only briefly for now), I think Steve Pederson done a pretty good job, all considered. Excuse me for a moment as I dodge flying tomatoes (smile).

I LOVED Wanny and really wanted to see him thrive. But I got tired of getting kicked in the onions by losing every game — EVERY!! game — which would have given Pitt a BCS bowl, especially with too much talent for such continual underperformance.

And an argument can be made that Wanny should have been fired just for recruiting Tino the Magician, but I’ll let Wanny write off that brain fart as 20/20 hindsight.

Plus Wanny played NFL-style offense from 20 years ago (read: boring) instead of learning & adapting to the modern college game. All of which was tolerable (barely) until his guys started a private crime wave.

Todd Graham was absolutely the right idea, albeit maybe the wrong guy or two years ahead of time, or both (Coach-Killer Tino running TG’s offensive was like running the Kentucky Derby riding on a donkey…).

My main knock against Stevie-P was killing the Script unis and “Pitt” brand.

Comment by Imma Man! Im 40! 12.03.12 @ 8:39 am

@Dr. Tom – where were you getting two New Year’s Eve party tickets in NYC for $180??????

Comment by Pitt Dad 12.03.12 @ 9:13 am

@Kev – interesting chart. Thanks. Also interesting to note that we have played WVU 104 times and PSU only 96.

Comment by Pitt Dad 12.03.12 @ 9:18 am

I’m a proud member of the ABS fan club. I stopped paying my dues in the ABT club.

Comment by TX Panther 12.03.12 @ 10:14 am

I thought 6-6 was a disappointing record until I really thought it over. Given the turmoil in the program, the impact it had on the past recruiting class, Chryst learning on the job, new O and D systems again…etc, PC did a pretty good job.

He is obviously a damn good O coach. His best characteristic IMO is that he is aggressive during games. Something we have been longing for.

This spring the staff will not be installing from scratch. They will start with player already having a good understanding of the play book. That is a huge difference from this past spring. Add the extra practices for the bowl game and you are advancing even more before next year.

PC will prove Pitt found its coach next year!

Comment by notrocketscience 12.03.12 @ 10:30 am

As the alumnus who first & proudly coined the acronym “ABT” (during halftime of the Blue-Gold Game in 2010 on the NFL Network, when I first saw how poorly the lad played despite hype by the P-G’s then Pitt blogger & beat writer…), I think we’d better hustle to collect ABT Club’s back dues, as the club is about to go out of business.

Is that Handel’s “Hallelujah Chorus” that I hear?

Comment by Imma Man! Im 40! 12.03.12 @ 10:44 am

I was going broke paying those ABT dues.

Comment by TX Panther 12.03.12 @ 11:21 am

You guys think Tay Graham even gets drafted? I know the nfl loves small backs but I don’t see it especially with a bad knee. He will sign as a FA. His comment also made me laught. My talents to the next level.

Comment by Upittbaseball 12.03.12 @ 11:50 am

wishing the best for Ray “at the next level”. His knee injury may hurt him with the NFL scouts–despite his Sr. yr stats—unless he posts good times (40, shuttle) at Pitt’s Pro Day. He may get an invite to Combine or more likely one of the new regional NFL Combines in 2013. think he finished around 40th in NCAA rushing. He is not a feature back, but either was LaRod, and he is doing quite nicely in the NFL. Don’t remember Ray returning any kicks (post-ACL injury), which would help. Short and under 200. Prob looking at 6-7th round or FA.

Comment by Bossdaws 12.03.12 @ 12:22 pm

King of Kings, Hallelujah, Hallelujah!
Forever and ever, Hallelujah!!!

Comment by Dr. Tom 12.03.12 @ 7:49 pm

@ Pitt Dad, that was jusT one ticket for me, my wife would be too tired out from shopping all dayon News Year’s Eve! LOL

Comment by Dr. Tom 12.03.12 @ 7:59 pm

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