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November 26, 2012

The details of Trey Zeigler’s DUI are still unknown. The consequences, however, are. Zeigler is suspended indefinitely following the incident of Saturday night/Sunday morning. Not really surprising. This suspension was a no-brainer.

“The incident involving Trey Zeigler is not only surprising, but incredibly disappointing,” Dixon said in a statement. “Although I believe it was out of character for Trey, he has been immediately suspended until further notice. Trey has expressed his deep regret to me and understands and respects the importance of accountability for one’s actions.”

Zeigler also issued a statement that reads: “I want to apologize to my family, the University of Pittsburgh, my teammates and coaches and the entire Pittsburgh community. This is not indicative of the kind of person I am, nor the kind of person I want to be.”

This is the first incident where Zeigler has gotten in any sort of trouble like this. It was a big screw-up, and hopefully his only one.





It was the right move by Dixon

Comment by Kenny Powers 11.26.12 @ 2:09 pm

Good thing this team is deep.

Comment by Snala The Panther 11.26.12 @ 2:41 pm

Not good at all…
Was hoping to see Zieglar play more minutes… and Woodall less minutes.

Comment by Joe D 11.26.12 @ 2:46 pm

Trib has the details. Passed out behind the wheel of his “HUMMER” early Sunday morning at an intersection somewhere in Oakland.

Comment by PittofDreams 11.26.12 @ 2:55 pm

based on what trib reported… sounds like near Magee Hospital.

Comment by Joe D 11.26.12 @ 3:26 pm

hope indefinite ends up being 4-6 games. think that’s appropriate.

Comment by scott 11.26.12 @ 3:32 pm

dont like the word indefinite would mutch rather have saw 4 games or even 5 not indefinite that seams a bit harsh it is not like he hurt some one
or fought with the cops seams a bit over the top.

Comment by FRANKCAN 11.26.12 @ 3:43 pm

we’ll see what happens. if he was drinking and driving the suspension should be tough – especially if he fell asleep at the wheel. Someone could have been killed.

If he was in a parked car and trying to be responsible by not driving it’s a different story. .12 is a lot of alcohol but generally not enough for you to pass out at the wheel while driving or at a red light … although he did get sick so who knows.

Still seems like we’re missing some facts on this – We’re not sure if he was parked at the intersection or if he was in the middle of the intersection.

Comment by Tossing Thabeets 11.26.12 @ 3:59 pm

shame about Trey Z. But lots depends on the facts of the DUI incident. If simple as reported (no accident, no other charges), then its an ARD (1st time offender program) and he completes classes and gets his record expunged with no conviction. Will learn more at his prelim–not posted yet from what I could see. FB player incident with Street/Ray last mo scheduled in JAN. Hope Jamie is reasonable with his discipline. Its a misdemeanor and Zeigler is a JR. Need him in there. Cincy players were in an all out brawl on the court and only got 6 games.

Comment by Bossdaws 11.26.12 @ 4:04 pm

this may be a over reaction to the 3 football players that were charged and if it is that is to bad
every case shold be on its own merits seams harsh to me .

Comment by FRANKCAN 11.26.12 @ 4:11 pm

Looks like Pitt’s 9 players deep now. Should give Durand Johnson more playing time though…

Comment by Jackagain 11.26.12 @ 4:21 pm

Pitt will be a much better team now.

Comment by frankarms 11.26.12 @ 4:26 pm

Frankarms,

Really? A better team now?

They are better off w/o J. Johnson.

Comment by HLandPitt 11.26.12 @ 4:36 pm

According to court records…
Zieglars Prelim Hearing is 2/5/13…
Lets hope the suspension is lifted well before that.

Comment by Joe D 11.26.12 @ 4:45 pm

3 star Jamel Artis, 6’6″ small forward might be committing soon. Saw news from other sites including PantherLair and Cardiac Hill.

Comment by TX Panther 11.26.12 @ 4:53 pm

Pitt is worse with Zeigler out. Even if he’s out till January he doesn’t really miss anything because Pitt’s remaining non-conference schedule is so weak. It might actually help in the long run because it probably means Durand Johnson will get more minutes, which he needs.

Comment by Wardapalooza 11.26.12 @ 4:59 pm

Dixon could be tough on Zeigler as he may want to put the “fear of God” in his young team. Hopefully he allows Zeigler to practice with the team again after 5 games or so, but I wouldn’t be surprised if he sits him for the rest of the non-con game schedule.
Zeigler is mature and will be able to pick up the speed of the BE quickly enough, but I’ll bet Robinson/Adams/Johnson are closely watching what happens when you screw up under Dixon. For this reason, I bet Dixon is pretty harsh as far as games Zeigler will be out.

Comment by Taxing Matters 11.26.12 @ 5:18 pm

we dont need the headaches and ag, sorry zeigler,i think pitt should error on the side of too harsh,otherwise you never know who you can count on.

Comment by spiritofsection22 11.26.12 @ 5:46 pm

I think the team may be better…in the long run. Assuming a 2-8 game suspension, it will give Cameron Wright and Durand Johnson more time to develop and gain experience before the BE season begins and the bench narrows some.

The down side is that Zeigler could have used this time to work out his kinks with fitting in. So far, he has not appeared that much better than Wright or Johnson but it is very early…

“Indefinite” is just a word that allows the coach to make the punishment fit the offense as the details are sorted out. I’ve always liked Dixons approach to punishment.

Comment by Bowling Green Panther 11.26.12 @ 6:04 pm

You can’t crush the young man. Mistake. Yes, big mistake. No prior errors of judgement or history of problems. Coaches son >> I’m sure this guy is more aware than most that he is under a microscope. Punishment yes, Zeig knows he deserves punishment. Suspend & correct then give him a hug, encourge him & welcome him back to the team.

Comment by DC33 11.26.12 @ 6:10 pm

I. too. am “disapointed on Trey Ziegler.but this error on his part in not something either he or the team cannot learn from. One can imagine how his parents must feel. His dad has been a college coach. The bottom line for this blogger is WILL THE PITT FANS GIVE THE LAD ANOTHER CGANCE OR TWO?? I’m more concerned about the “lack of mercy” in Panther fandom than about a human being who showed a lack of maturity. He will l,earn from his errot. The question is :WILL THE PITTSBURGH MEDIA AND ESPECIALLT :THE BLOGGERS< MOVE ON??? Rev. George from Columbus

Comment by Rev. George Mehaffey 11.26.12 @ 7:12 pm

He made a mistake, but he’s lucky enough to have a chance to learn from it without grave consequences. He’ll be back in a Pitt uniform this season, but when is anyone’s guess.

Comment by panther94 11.26.12 @ 7:18 pm

According to reports he was charged with two (2) DUIs. Each would be a 1st offense. with the following penalties.

High BAC penalties (.10 to .159% BAC)

No prior DUI offenses: ungraded misdemeanor
12 month license suspension
48 hours to 6 months prison
$500 to $5,000 fine
alcohol highway safety school
treatment when ordered

This is a big deal.

Comment by xfmrman 11.26.12 @ 7:22 pm

I can almost guarantee he will go into an ARD program.

Comment by ECH 11.26.12 @ 7:59 pm

not with 2 charges.

Comment by xfmrman 11.26.12 @ 8:01 pm

xfmrman…
the 2 charges… only 1 sticks…
1a is if BAC is between .080 to .1… ability to downgrade..
2a is if BAC is between .1 to .16..

Only 1 will stick.. not both… they will list as many charges as possible to see what sticks.

Comment by Joe D 11.26.12 @ 8:14 pm

.10 is not high, until a few short years ago that was the limit considered drunk. ANYTHING below that was within legal limits.

Plus maybe he was on some sort of medication which reacted with the alcohol, which therefore made the reading higher. Also would be a reason for him falling asleep.

If he gets a good legalman, and a first offense, this shouldn’t be that much of a problem.
Didn’t hurt anyone, car was parked.

I say case dismissed with some community service.
Maybe rehab classes. ;-)

Comment by Emel 11.26.12 @ 8:39 pm

Joe D:
I see what you are saying. But reports say he blew a .129%. How do you write it for less?
I was thinking that there were two separate charges.

Comment by xfmrman 11.26.12 @ 8:46 pm

It is high unlikely that any medication had an additive affect on the blood alchol level. The level is what it is. The real question is who consented to the blood being drawn.

Hope that the kid doesn’t have his life tremendously alter over this huge mistake. Dixon will stand by him as he should. Punishment is warranted and the kid must learn from his mistake. This could have been a lot worse so for that he should be thankful.

Sports takes a back seat to these incidents. Let’s hope that the kid and his family get through this quickly. PITT basketball will be fine and will be there after his current situation resolves.

HTP

Comment by Pitt fan in Atlanta 11.26.12 @ 8:47 pm

Did he have a breath test or a blood test? There is huge difference.

VC

Comment by Pitt fan in Atlanta 11.26.12 @ 8:49 pm

According to reports, Breath.

Comment by xfmrman 11.26.12 @ 8:52 pm

The Trib says he had a Breath test. then was examined by Paramedics.

It also says he vomited in his cell toilet. Like who cares about that. Has no bearing on the case at all. Perhaps he had the stomach flu (or he stopped at the Dirty O). Again vomiting does not signify guilt.

I’ve never heard of someone being charged with two DUI’s on one traffic stop. Ridiculous.

Comment by Emel 11.26.12 @ 8:54 pm

From the Trib:

Williams, 19, was arrested because a woman, Samantha Boggess, who identified herself as his girlfriend, said he assaulted her in his apartment on South Bouquet Street in Oakland at 1:50 a.m. Saturday.

These kids need to live in the dorms not in apts, not at 19. And they should stay away from women.
Had he lived in a dorm with a roommate, a lot less likely to a happen, plus there would have been witnesses to see if perhaps this girl instigated it. Some women are good like that.
And they don’t care if it ruins your life.

And it’s another DB, we just lost the DB Ryles to transfer.
At this rate we’ll have no depth at DB. Yikes!

Comment by Emel 11.26.12 @ 9:00 pm

xfmrman..
I posted the court doc on the other string…
I don’t know why they wrote him up for both… perhaps looking to negotiate it down..

Although it is 2 separate charges… in reality…
it will be either one or the other.. perhaps they are waiting for blood results to verify breathalyzer… then 1 of the counts will be dismissed.

Comment by Joe D 11.26.12 @ 9:01 pm

I hope that he didnt submit to the blood test. A lot easier to fight the breath test.

On any account let’s hope that PITT and the family gets him the proper legal representation and life help. Hate to see this happening to these young guys.

Comment by Pitt fan in Atlanta 11.26.12 @ 9:04 pm

Gentlemen. He is charged with two counts under PA’s DUI law, as are almost all DUI prosecutions. One is 3802a1, based on the opinion of the cop. The other is 3802b, based upon his BAC. He is not charged with the worst DUI rate, that being .16 and greater. It is ONE DUI case, and if he has no priors, he will be admitted into Alleg Co’s ARD program. A first time offender’s program. I have rep Pitt athletes in the past with DUIs.

I have not read the article nor seen the crim docket, but is sounds like an intoxilyzer reading (breath test), as a blood test would not be back yet from the PSP lab. In PA, they get two intoxilyer readings, and prosecute on the lower rate.
If it is as it appears to be, he will be admitted to ARD, lose his license for 30 days, will not be incarcerated nor subject to any house arrest. Its a misdeameanor case and with all due respect to the dangers of alcohol, not a big deal in the court system. He will be on ARD probation for a short period of time, and will move on, having learned a hard lesson. Lets hope as fans his hoop career is not derailed by one bad night. He seems o be a good kid who, like thousands of PA citizens every yr, got caught drinking and driving. Need to keep it in its proper perspective and move forward. Especially we Pitt fans, who have been known to have a drink or two on occasion. HTP

Comment by Bossdaws 11.26.12 @ 9:25 pm

Bossdaws:
thanks. The 2 charges were what I questioned.

Comment by xfmrman 11.26.12 @ 9:31 pm

Unless we got a LOT of lawyers on this board, ya’ll know a little too much about dui jurisprudence. At least he wasn’t giving Carl Ktauser a lift

Comment by Ghost of Hornman 11.26.12 @ 9:39 pm

I’m glad everyone on this site is now a criminal defense attorney…the kid is going to get ARD…this means no guilty plea and no conviction …and 100% no chance of jail! Heck I have represented people who didn’t get jail on their 3rd and 4th respective DUI. Truly a shame though he really did screw up!…and yes I am a criminal defense attorney. If you want more info I’m $250 an hour for advice or $1,250 for a DUI…lol

Comment by Marco 11.26.12 @ 9:50 pm

Just hit a wrong key and wiped out huge kudos for the Pgh. City and University police for working to keep Oakland safe for college kids even though not unusual college kid behavior get noticed and responded to. This doesn’t happen in most college towns, like say State College. Don’t know if this is relevant here but hope so.

The other point was a major rant about the prior Maryland university and athletic department administrations as well as the BOT totally financially mismanaging MD. athletics, hence the new people saw only 2 alternatives, eliminate 7 0r 8 sports or grab the B10 lifeline and the hell with 60 years of tradition and the two terrific universities that just committed to the ACC. As a Pitt fan and a MD. resident I’m doubly pissed. Whatever we think of Steve P. he (and certainly with help and guidance) has done a great job of managing the Athletic department’s finances while upgrading facilities in a major way (and yes the job has changed and it may be time for him to go on with his life’s work.) If the other ACC schools have managed their athletic department finances reasonably well then this B10 excitement is due to those prior doofuses at Maryland. Now I’m even more pissed because they screwed around with my tax dollars! HTP!!!

Comment by opfim 11.26.12 @ 9:50 pm

Bossdaws thank you for injecting some much needed perspective into this thread.

Comment by Atlanta Panther 11.26.12 @ 9:51 pm

Re: Trey’s DUI

There, but for the grace of God, have I gone many, many times in my undergrad years…

Comment by Lou 11.26.12 @ 9:57 pm

Bossdaws you da man! Thanks for stating fact. Let’s hope that you are right. You haven’t been sued for malpractice have you? Just asking.

HTP

Comment by Pitt fan in Atlanta 11.26.12 @ 10:25 pm

Bossdaws thank you for the info you are a good man.

Comment by FRANKCAN 11.26.12 @ 11:33 pm

Thanks Bossdaws!

Comment by panther94 11.26.12 @ 11:53 pm

Speaking only for myself, there, but for the Grace of God or sheer dumb luck go I.
Not proud of it, just saying.

Comment by SFPitt 11.27.12 @ 12:20 am

The Judge Zeigler goes before graduated from some law school in Ohio… never heard of… Ohio Northern??
Anyway… Judge is a woman…. and not a Pitt grad… and she is the Presiding Judge or President.

Comment by Joe D 11.27.12 @ 12:27 am

Jody, you’ve completely gone mad.

Comment by Gordo 11.27.12 @ 2:49 am

What’s the judge’s track times lol…

Comment by Gordo 11.27.12 @ 2:50 am

not yet, Pitt fan in Atlanta (malpractice)! And Marco, you should charge more–except for discounts for Blather Brothers. Trey will get thru this, as many do. We need to get him back on the court for the Big East schedule.

Joey D. You are probably referring to DonnaJo McDaniels, the President Judge in AC. All the prelims list her as the judge in city oourt, but she will not be presiding at Trey’s prelim. It will be some rotating MDJ. relax. it will all play out. HTP

Comment by Bossdaws 11.27.12 @ 7:40 am

link to espn.go.com

Pitt’s in the top 25!

Comment by PantherP 11.27.12 @ 12:09 pm

Granted its only the ESP top 25, but we are also on the cusp in both the AP and USA today polls.

Sorry — i know polls are sort of silly this early but dont have anything to add to the Zeigler conversation or about Howard.

Comment by PantherP 11.27.12 @ 12:11 pm

Geez. Who knew there was such a wealth of legal knowledge on this board! Anybody know a good real estate/land development lawyer in the ‘burgh who can offer some advice to a group of pissed off suburbanites dealing with a zoning thing, please let me know!

Comment by Carmen 11.27.12 @ 12:14 pm

@Joe D
Ohio Northern is located in Ada Ohio. Known as “oh no U!”
Decent school but judges are elected not selected on merit in PA state courts.
Write your state legislators if you want to see that changed.

Comment by SFPitt 11.27.12 @ 9:13 pm

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