November 24, 2012

Open Thread: Big East Home Finale

Filed under: Football,Open Thread — Chas @ 7:44 am

Sorry for nothing but open threads the last few days. Between the holidays and some traveling to see family, there just hasn’t been time (or an internet connection). Heading back home late this morning so I couldn’t go to the game and I can’t even watch it live. Going to be a DVR-delay day.

This is the final home game for Pitt for the year. Their final home Big East game. Naturally, given the present state of the Big East it makes perfect sense that at the last minute it becomes a meeting of teams heading somewhere else.

Though Rutgers — most likely — will be playing one more year in the Big East. Don’t forget, the exit fee was raised to $10 million after Pitt and Syracuse announced their plans to leave last year. So, to pay extra to leave after the 2013-14 season (instead of 2014-15) will still cost the Scarlet Knights some where between $12.5 and $15 million.

Rutgers has had a very good year under new coach Kyle Flood. Aside from that home loss to Kent State, they have been winning games primarily behind the defense. They are set up to play for the Big East title and the BCS bid next Thursday against Louisville (assuming Louisville takes care of business against UConn today). Sadly, Pitt can’t even play the role of spoiler as Louisville already has a conference loss.

The last time I saw a Big East team come into a game like this, knowing that they were really playing for the Big East title the following week, was back in 2009. Pitt sleepwalked through the Backyard Brawl and gave it away. We’ll find out if Pitt can at least muster the effort in the home finale and Rutgers is looking to their own finale.

Maybe we could play at the Wolverena??? LOL

Comment by Dan 11.25.12 @ 12:11 pm

If the ACC is going to expand, why not add the 3 biggest TV market teams – Houston, SMU & Temple? That should pay off in the long run with the most $ for our conference, whetther its thru TV ratings or an ACC cable channel. And I don’t want to see a Big East North. That would royally suck.

Comment by RayHpgh 11.25.12 @ 12:24 pm

Glad to see the b!@#$%^ and moaning (Tino, Stevie P, playing at Heinz field, the script, etc) right after a nice solid win or I would of thought that I was on the wrong site!…

Hail To Pitt!

Comment by Leaseman 11.25.12 @ 12:39 pm

since i read that you are calling out the “haters” we are still here and yes, sunseri still sucks! and yes, i will still celebrate when he leaves. A couple of solid games, which i give him credit, does not make up for his inconsistency, glad to see we live in america where you can forgive and forget so quickly. pitt in general is going to be better off when this group of seniors graduates. they have been through a lot, no one can deny that, and i give them props for riding things out. heck, feel quite bad for them actually, but it is time to let chryst mold his team with his players. on paper we should have won the big east, but we failed to show up on gamedays. the one thing to take away from this season is the growth and improvement on defense and coaching. it looks like we will be heading in a decent direction and i am excited about that. looks like recruiting for next year is also picking up and it was good to see kids like challingsworth (sp?) tweeting on twitter how excited he was to come to pitt. i share that excitement for the future.

Comment by pittisit37 11.25.12 @ 12:49 pm

Tino was excellent this year at protecting the ball and minimizing mistakes. But, his leadership is questionable. He does have heart and is tough. Although next years quarterback will be more dynamic, have a higher ceiling and may just lead a 4th quarter comeback once or twice, there will be more mistakes. That’s called growing pains. Much like what Chryst experienced this year. But I think the future is bright particularly with Shell and potentially Foster.

Now anyone thinking stevie should stay has got to have their head examined. Stevie is a poor hire of football coaches, alienates alumni and big boosters, does a poor job at fund raising, took away Pitt script, and the olympic sports results are a disaster mainly beacuse it took too long to build facilities and still haven’t hired good coaches due to overall cheapness. I give him credit for razing Pitt stadium, it was a dump, and putting the Pete in its place. I give him credit for the football facilities. I give him partial credit for the ACC and only half blame him for the attendance since if Pitt wins, fans will show and Pitt fans need to be less fair weathered. Posters on this blog I do not consider the casual fan but true diehards. Stevie is being protected by his friend Nordy. When Nordy leaves, Stevie is gone as well. His time has run its course. We need new leaders with fresh ideas for the ACC. And no, an on campus stadium is out of the question.

Comment by TX Panther 11.25.12 @ 1:06 pm

Fire Steve. Why?
Look at his tasks when he took over the job. In football, he started as the beneficiary of 13-9.
Stated publicly that the goal was to fill Heinz Field.
As I looked around yesterday, it seemed to me that the stadium was 20-25% filled.
The announced attendance was 38k.
My left nut!
I hate liars because they always lie. That is why they are liars.
Now Pederson fires Wannstadt. Forget the shitty way it was handled.
Fired him for who? You don’t fire a winning coach unless you are certain to get your man.
So, you either accept that he did not get his man or Haywood was his guy.
Either move is idiocy. But, it was Deja vous for Pederson. He fired Solich years before and then couldn’t find a coach. What happened at Nebraska was repeated at Pitt with Haywood with the added humiliation of Haygood’s firing.
Or, if Haywood was his man then that was the miss of the century.
Then Pederson hires a guy who would never have fit here. Granted, the hire was under pressure, but it was self imposed pressure.
Another disaster.
Pederson has two tasks. Hire the coaches and raise money.
Now someone, anyone on this blog or on this planet tell me if he has performed at even an adequate level and I’ll listen to you.
Chryst was not his hire.
Pederson alienates people because he treats others like they are stupid. Witness the constant lies about attendance. Anderson got out because Pederson has treated him like shit.
Fund raising fir athletics is low, even by Big East standards.
Pederson didn’t start or secure funds for the new athletic complex. Long did that.
Pederson has the responsibility of funding and getting a new track.
Don’t hold your breath.
Pederson is an abject failure at all his core job functions.
I don’t want a new stadium and I ain’t calling for a new one so don’t lay my complaints on that argument.
Empty seats don’t pay bills!!!
End of discussion.

Comment by SFPitt 11.25.12 @ 2:14 pm

The premise of your comment is on giving Sunseri credit for being an average QB. That simpreciselynthe reason that so many think that he has failed us. We don’t need an average QB.
College football is about 3-4 guys dominating and unfortunately the QB position is one of them. Having an average or bad player at that position kills you. (see USC vs ND last night where inexperienced average QB gave you zero point on 5 attempts inside the 5 with the game on the line)

Impersonally like Sunseri but would never want him as my QB. He simply never can show up for a game when you need him. It isn’t in him. Some players are winner and other are not. As much as I hate fraud graham it is obvious that he knew that Tino didn’t have it. Fact is fact.

So what is the standard fir a QB in college? Leading your team to wins. Tebow is a terrible QB but was great in college. Why? Because he could carry his team through leadership. Thismismthe character that we need in a QB. This is why so many fans refuse to give home any real credit. He has yet to LEAD this team. Passing yards alone (against some of the worst competition in the history of PITT football) for a 3 year starter doesn’t earn you my praise. Leading and winning does.

I would personally thank Sunseri for sticking arounfpd and giving PITT 5 years but I am never going to believe that he was good enough. The W’s and L’s prevent me from doing so.

Comment by Pitt Fan in Atlanta 11.25.12 @ 3:45 pm

@Leaseman, there are 257 comments on this thread. Most of them were about the game, including my 3 or 4.

Someone brought up a different subject. This usually happens on posts, after the subject has been talked about to death.

Instead of criticizing, why don’t you add something to the conversation.

I rarely see you add anything to the conversation.

Were you even at the game yesterday??? Or did you watch, nice and comfy cozy on the couch????

Comment by Dan 11.25.12 @ 4:34 pm

Let me guess, you don’t comment because it’s always so negative!!! LOL

Comment by Dan 11.25.12 @ 4:36 pm

Pitt v. USF – 7PM Saturday ESPN2 .. win and the Panthers could be in Memphis on New Year’s Eve or Birmingham (again) the first week of January …

Comment by Hoopzebra 11.25.12 @ 6:16 pm

Glad the game is at night. Covered in a blanket at the game Saturday (Yes Pederson I AM A PAYING CUSTOMER) my 9 year old son asked if we were going to the USF game. “It’s in Florida” I replied. “I know” he said smiling.
Lots of coaches walking the plank. NCState, Purdung, Auburn and others I’m sure.
In case no one has noticed, the stakes are being raised in CFB.
Saban makes no bones about the best case scenario being a separation of the top 60 teams from the rest. While you ponder that ponder this.
Is Skip Holtz on the hot seat at USF? I think he has to be.
We get up on this team and and step on their throats, we could rout them.
18-22 year olds aren’t oblivious to what is going on around them.

Comment by sfpitt 11.25.12 @ 7:25 pm

Reed, WADR, Sunseri didn’t win the game yesterday, Pitt’s defense did. They didn’t allow Rutgers on the field long enough for them to gain traction. Witness by Tino barely completing 50% of his passes, a number which allows little if any room for praise. And that despite playing most of the game with a big enough lead to be considered “garbage time” — where a talented QB should have padded his stats.

The best I can say for Tino the Magificent’s effort yesterday? He didn’t take enough of his normal allotment of bonehead sacks — always at the worst possible times — fumbles, and pick-sixes (together known as the “Tino Trifecta”) and 4th Quarter meltdowns to single-handedly give the game away, as we’ve seen him do too many times to count.

I’ve been begging for ABT since the very first time I saw him play 3 years ago, in the Blue-Gold game on NFL Network. All I’d heard via Zeise’s blog in the Post-Gazette was how amazing Sackseri was, albeit then only in practice (I live out west, so PZ’s were my only eyes). I recall my utter shock at watching him in that game: how his weak-armed passes from his far too short stature looked more like pooch punts, that he couldn’t hit the broad side of a barn with his scatter arm, and so on. I just wish I’dda been wrong on all that.

Pitt needs a guy at QB who knows how to close, not how to choke. I don’t know who will end up being ABT next year, but I’m glad that it’s almost time.

Comment by Imma Man! Im 40! 11.25.12 @ 8:07 pm

Dan…appreciate the comments…

Just making the point that regardless of the subject (football, basketball, expansion, recruiting, etc) or circumstances (win, lose, etc) we inevitably devolve into the negative…

Tino is an average at best QB which we have known for the past three years…he has been crucified here and elsewhere when he plays badly as he should be…but by the same token, as Reed mentioned, when he does a good job he should get credit for that as well…

Peterson is a lousey AD…he should never have been rehired and should have been canned after the Haywood fiasco but to blame him for loss to Youngstown State or Notre Dame or any other loss on the field is ridiculous…

A new on campus stadium in Panther Hollow?…really?…where would the money come from?

I think that just like our football team needs a cultural shift that we fans need one as well…just like the team needs to learn how to win, we fans need to enjoy and appreciate it when the team does win…

To your credit, Dan, your comments re the game yesterday were in that vein…

And no, unfortunately, I was not at the game yesterday as I had planned to be…I had two teeth pulled on Monday and have been on pain killers since and secondly my mother suffered a stroke last week while visting us and is still in the hospital…

As for commenting more ofter, I wish I could, but usually life gets in the way…but I still bleed blue and gold…Hail To Pitt!

Comment by Leaseman 11.25.12 @ 11:31 pm

@Leaseman, I apologize for being salty at the time yesterday, had nothing to do with you. I apologize.

Thinking on it, you do post often, and they are always good and well received. My mind was other places and I was just banging keys. Sorry.

My best to your Mom, this is all minor compared to that. Prayers to your family and her.

Comment by Dan 11.26.12 @ 10:34 am

No offense taken Dan and thanks…Mom is doing well and watched the game with me on Saturday…at 88 she doesn’t always understand what is going on but loves to watch Pitt football as much as i do…Hail to Pitt!

Comment by Leaseman 11.26.12 @ 1:10 pm

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