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November 23, 2012

Open Thread: Consolation NIT Game

Filed under: Basketball,Open Thread — Chas @ 1:26 pm

Hope everyone had a good Thanksgiving. It’s been hectic, but no major family dysfunction that spilled into the open. No resulting fights or ongoing passive-aggressive behavior that makes everyone miserable.

No real chance to get to a recap. And now there is the early afternoon game on ESPN at 2:30 or so.

Hopefully no lingering hangover from the close, but no cigar loss on Wednesday. The Blue Hens beat Virginia to get to MSG. They gave K-State plenty to fear.





Sorry Jackagain, Bird was not alone against Michigan STATE, teammate Carl Nicks averaged about 20ppg, and was a 1st round pick in the NBA. Fact remains Dixon is a great coach.

Comment by marcus of schaumburg 11.23.12 @ 10:14 pm

I’m 63 and have been following Pitt since the late 60’s…I’m not arguing that Dixon is a bum…we were just talking about systems. Evans could recruit but he had no control over his teams. Howland ended that discipline problem when he came here.

There’s a reason why Dixon can’t recruit elite talent. I like the guy, but Sweet Sixteens and an occasional conference championship are his limit.

Comment by Jackagain 11.23.12 @ 10:15 pm

of course we need dixon no one on here said we didnt all that was said was he wold not know how to use a super star. that does not mean he is a bad coach he will get his 20 plus wins every year.
but untill he gives up his system and builds a team around a super star he will never win the champon ship but he is a good coach and i for one am glad we have him.

Comment by FRANKCAN 11.23.12 @ 10:18 pm

This is absurd. Dixon’s recruiting has improved immensely. Conference championships and sweet 16s are a hell of a ceiling. Keep doing that and you are eventually going to win it all. This is a childish debate amongst “fans” that are glib about the game.

Comment by Omar 11.23.12 @ 10:29 pm

marcus it is ok to have morethen one first round nba pick on a team the point is you need at least one if you want to win it all.
and i never said dixon was a bad coach i will take 20 some wins every year i just saying untill you build your team around 1 or 2 great players
you wont win the whole thing youwill win what jackagein said and that is ok bye me.

Comment by FRANKCAN 11.23.12 @ 10:29 pm

I’ll have to disagree with you Jackagain, Paul Evans could not recruit. He inherited a very talented team from Chipman, and was smart enough to hire Calipari – who did the lion’s share of recruiting. Evan’s controlled his teams – to the point they resented him – as well as his coaching. Howland replaced Willard, who was certainly not a disciplinarian. Dean Smith didn’t win a championship until he was a head coach for over 20 years – despite undeniably great talent – was he limited those first 20 years? Dixon is a great coach, albeit still young and learning.

Comment by marcus of schaumburg 11.23.12 @ 10:32 pm

omar you are right dixons recruting is better
and sweet 16 is good enough for me but he will never win it all till he builds his team different
to win it all you have to build your team like the orange men or kentucky you build it around one or two super stars and every thing is done to support them the team is built to fit them.

you dont try to fit them into the team as larry bird said you want to win get out of my way and give me the dam ball.

that is a bit over the top but kind of true the team supports the star or stars that is why thoes teams win the whole thing becuse talent will win out or cream rises to the top.

Comment by FRANKCAN 11.23.12 @ 10:40 pm

Interesting discussion re Coach Dixon. Wow, we are blessed to have such a leader represent our university!!
I do believe that Dixon recruits a certain type of player…a team player and avoids the “me” guy (birch being the exception). I would take a team full of James Robinson types. No chest pounding, just looking to do his part and make the team better. Dixon has not won it all yet but this group of young men could make it happen. I believe they could be something special but it takes leadership, consistent play, a go-to scorer and some luck!
Great game today!
HTP

Comment by Jason 11.23.12 @ 10:50 pm

Frankcan, a friend tells me the ACC has requested some time on the Texas dance card. How would you feel about Texas and Texas Tech? Says the decision for Texas is whether it wants to join the Big 10 power grab, or counter it. If this is true, then there must be alot of other big name schools with the same worries.

Comment by marcus of schaumburg 11.23.12 @ 11:05 pm

marcus schaumburg sir no one is leaveing the big 12 to go any were they signed over there second ter tv rights to the big 12 all teams in the big 12 did so it is the safest conference out there so texas is not goin any were.
but if you ment we might go there i would say no becuse we are not paying even half of the 50 million to get out of the acc.

so i think your frend is wrong.

Comment by FRANKCAN 11.23.12 @ 11:20 pm

Todd Graham’s offense is kicking ass by the way. Funny what a actual quarterback can do for a team. LOL!

Comment by Upittbaseball 11.23.12 @ 11:22 pm

Omar, you are correct, a ridiculous conversation.

We were one Reynolds run the court away from being in the Final Four. That had absolutely nothing to do with coaching or recruiting.

A great play by a Villanova guard.

Woulda, coulda, shoulda, ya??? However, in this conversation they count.

Can’t recruit elite talent??? Wasn’t Adams the number 2 or 3 player in the country last year?? How much more elite do you want.

We’re not Calipari or Kentucky. Dixon is still trying to sell an education to these kids. He’s not gonna do that.

Everyone is snickering behind their backs, including other coaches at Calipari. “come here and play as freshmen and move on to the NBA”.

Believe me, some would, but most people don’t want a NC like that, because everyone calls it a mockery.

Wasn’t James Robinson the #10 or so guard??

DeJuan Blair, wasn’t he a top guy?? Birch???

Ya, he left, he didn’t fit in, or his “handlers” steered him away, but he was recruited here.

If you’re looking for Kentucky, you ought to stop talking about it, ain’t happening here.

Comment by Dan 11.23.12 @ 11:24 pm

Jim Boeheim didn’t win a NC till his 23yr or so. Same with a lot of other coaches.

Fact is, most coaches DON’T win a NC!!

Comment by Dan 11.23.12 @ 11:26 pm

Oh, I forgot, Adams is a bust allready!! LMAO!!!

Comment by Dan 11.23.12 @ 11:26 pm

By the way, Michigan beat the crap out of Kansas State, by 14 or so, wasn’t even that close.

Comment by Dan 11.23.12 @ 11:29 pm

@FRANKCAN, one thing you should have learned over the past couple years watching all this conference realignment thing…………….

contracts and signatures mean nothing!!! LOL

Comment by Dan 11.23.12 @ 11:32 pm

marcus
this is some things i might know maybe i have read every thing i could abought acc and maryland
for the last 3 days,
1 the acc is looking at 2 schools that are not in the big east one might be penn state dont know that but there are hints

2 the acc is in no rush they have meetings DEC 1
and dec 3

3 they might take 2 schools not just one go to 15 and wait on ND

4 if they take just one and if it is from big east it might be L VILLE NOT U CONN to keep FS in line.
5 dont know any of this as fact but there have been smoke but i will say this there is less out there to find this time last time it wasevery were
6 if big 12 expands it will only take one school they dont want to go to 12 schools but might go to 11 looking at Lville if any one at all.

Comment by FRANKCAN 11.23.12 @ 11:33 pm

Jackagain:

Jamie can’t call a ball-screen on defense. You mean a hedge on the pick and roll. Almost every nba team hedges. How else do you want to defend the high ball screen?

Comment by Omar 11.23.12 @ 11:34 pm

Comment by Jackagain 11.23.12 @ 11:38 pm

good nite all bed time

Comment by FRANKCAN 11.23.12 @ 11:54 pm

Perhaps some people missed the Delaware coach call Pitt’s offense yesterday “the most incredible display” he’s ever seen.

The biggest thing holding Dixon’s teams back the past few years has been its defense. The teams could score against anyone, any system (with the exception of last year). The team just hasn’t been athletic enough to defend the way they needed to against high quality players and teams. I see that changing a good bit this year with the influx of Robinson, Adams, and more PT for guys like Durand J and JJ Moore. Still a work in progress, but definitely on the upswing defensively. In the end, that — and not the offensive system — will get them where we want them to go.

Comment by JW 11.24.12 @ 7:57 am

Systems don’t win championships?

Huh…

On some days I learn more here than I do on others.

Comment by Brendan 11.24.12 @ 7:57 am

Jackagain,

It’s funny you pick his Texas Tech years to use as evidence, but okay, I’m game. He took powerhouse Texas Tech to the tournament four out of six years.

Yeah, what a bum.

You can’t build a team around a college player – it’s impossible. You can teach your best players to run the motion offense. The best players get the most shots in Jamie’s offense and it’s not dictated by position. Brandin Knight pg; Sam Young PF/SF; Aaron Gray C; Chevy Troutman PF, etc.

This is a ridiculous discussion. Year after year, Pitt is in the top ten for offensive efficiency. Where do you think that efficiency comes from?

Comment by Denny 11.24.12 @ 8:03 am

“‘Congratulations to Pitt, that was one of the more astounding offensive performances we’ve seen against us,’ said seventh-year Blue Hen head coach Monté Ross. ‘One of our keys was to make then beat us with outside jump shots, and we didn’t do a good job of that in the first half…'” Pitt 85, Delaware 59

I guess if Dixon had a “superstar” on his team Monté would’ve had to come up with a more superlative superlative. “Stupendous”, maybe?

Comment by Brendan 11.24.12 @ 8:24 am

Ha Ha LOL, ya, for a moment, I’d thought I’d stumbled on the football blog!!!!

Comment by Dan 11.24.12 @ 10:51 am

what pitt needs is a shooter or two, who are also ball security specialist. we have the makings of a good, and sometimes very good ball club. however, travon woodall is a human turnover machine in big games and he has the ball alot in those games which is a recipe for defeat. I know some of you will point out his assist to turnover rate and how good it is , check it and watch how it get worse as the competiton gets tougher. The whole pitt team aside from james robinson is very poor in ball consciousness. Pitt players continue bad habits under dixon that they did not do under howland, they get stripped after rebounds, too much, they passed the ball very unsoundly with careless one handed weak passes, and they give up drives to the basket like there opponent has cooties. toughen up pitt , or it will be another disappointment to a team you should beat in the tourney.

Comment by greg 11.24.12 @ 8:33 pm

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