November 21, 2012

I went to pick up my son from kindergarten this afternoon. The principal helps direct out car-riders. He brought my son over, and I noticed he was wearing a Michigan tie. I was wearing a Pitt shirt, so I tried to engage him about the game tonight. Big surprise, he had no clue.

Sure they have a top-5 team. They are playing a big non-con game in prime time on ESPN2. Considered the best game of the night. Nothing. It’s all about Michigan-Ohio State this week. Their news coverage is really, really limited. Basically it’s, “hey, this is the first real game for Michigan, but, whatever.”

[As an aside, here I was all primed to give the Trib some grief for not using a regular beat writer so far this season — leading to some uneven coverage — but compared to the effort in Michigan…]

For Pitt, it is a little more coverage. And, you know, actually caring about the game.

“We’ll see how good they are,” Pitt coach Jamie Dixon said. “And we’ll see how good we are.”

“They’ve got a lot of great players,” Pitt guard Tray Woodall said. “We’re all aware of that.”

Michigan, through three games, is one of the nation’s best 3-point shooting teams.

“They do a lot of things very well,” Dixon said. “What makes them so good is their guards, and how experienced they are.”

In classic Pitt fashion, don’t expect Dixon to alter his defense to stop Michigan’s outstanding guards. Instead, Woodall and blossoming freshman James Robinson will be asked to stare down Burke and Hardaway.

“We’re just going to defend,” Woodall said. “We’re a better defending team this year. We’re just going to defend and help each other. That’s what we do. You’ve got to love playing against guys like that. These are potential NBA players, all-Americans.”

The three point shooting will be huge. It is a Beilein team, after all. They are going to take a lot of 3s. Pitt is going to have to have the guards play a lot tighter on them. That means the front court has to be ready to defend if they drive and get past the guards.

While the talent on this Wolverine team is high, there is the fact that Coach Dixon has familiarity with the coach and his system.

As I said, it’s a 9:30 game on ESPN2. I’ll be on twitter tonight, because up until game time I have to do all the Thanksgiving prep for tomorrow. No time for setting up and being sure I won’t have to DVR  delay for moments if need be.

I still have nightmares of Pittsnogle knocking down 3’s

Comment by Tossing Thabeets 11.21.12 @ 7:31 pm

If Michigan has great guards… then Cam Wright (or another tall G/F at SG) should get some good playing time… put size in there to stop the MI guards.

I think Pitt can win…
if… 9-10 man rotation… nobody gets more than 30 minutes… and Woodall takes less than 10 shots.

Pitt’s strength is their bench… they should rotate them in… keeping fresh players on the floor… and blow the doors off the arena… run run run… This is like no other team Dixon has had and he needs to change his strategy.

Comment by Joe D 11.21.12 @ 7:39 pm

or was Tossing T will tell me…
it will be a long season…

Comment by Joe D 11.21.12 @ 7:39 pm


Comment by Tossing Thabeets 11.21.12 @ 7:50 pm

… your growing on my Joe D … slowly but surely

Comment by Tossing Thabeets 11.21.12 @ 7:51 pm

It will be long season for all of us if we have to endure someone who bases their game analysis on one assanine improbability and then shits all over the blog repeatedly in every thread multiple times to assert and then defend it.

The bench offers defensive depth and offense at a couple of positions. Guard is not really one of them. My advice on Woodall is to suck it up and move on. Football is much better for getting peg theories to stick.

Enjoying dinner now and headed to Garden in a few. Happy to have my T’giving bookended by a couple of trips.

Comment by SilverPanther in NYC 11.21.12 @ 7:58 pm

Go watch Kentucky v Morehouse…
Kentucky used 6 players so far…
Morehouse used 10..
Right now.. Morehouse leads by 2 with 14min left in game.

Comment by Joe D 11.21.12 @ 8:35 pm

Tossing, I know, it’s tough to block a 6’11” guy who can nail 3 pointers. The good news is that Pitsnogle isn’t on Michigan’s roster.

Comment by Justinian 11.21.12 @ 8:40 pm

Seriously… since when does a B1G team at MSG scare us? Fuck Michigan

Comment by Pauly P 11.21.12 @ 8:43 pm

I saw the same thing in that article….Dixon usually lets the other team bomb away from 3 point land before he adjusts the guys to guard the perimeter if they are making them.

It’s usually a fine idea, but not tonight…I don’t want to Pitt try to come from behind big against this team.

I did like the fact when looking at the schedule that Michigan had 8 days off before this game. I hope they are flat and a little out of shape.

Comment by Jackagain 11.21.12 @ 8:56 pm

Who’s the refs in this game….Little 11 or BigLeast?

Either way we might be screwed. lol

Comment by Emel 11.21.12 @ 8:59 pm

I’m hoping our farewell tour of the BigLeast venues is a lot better than it has been on football side.

The current BigLeast commish, wished Buttgers good luck, etc. I don’t remember us getting any kind words on our leaving a conference we helped keep together after 2003. And us joining in 1982 for hoops helped made sure it survived as well, as Joepa had plans back then which would have surely killed the BigEast in it’s formative stage.

So they should be very kind to us, the pricks. lol

Comment by Emel 11.21.12 @ 9:04 pm

Joe…Joe….certainly you know by now that these games with the marquee teams are fixed…too much money involved…like how about 11 billion over 14 years. (NCAA Tournament). You really think they don’t care about TV ratings?

Examples from tonight and last night:

Indiana – G’town. 36 FT’s to 10 for G’town.

Kentucky – Moorehead St. 39 FT’s to only 13 for MS.

Yeah I know…..Kentucky & Indiana are that much more disciplined….you know, with all the freshman on their teams :-)

Comment by Jackagain 11.21.12 @ 9:05 pm

What’s everyone worrying about. The game really doesn’t mean anything. It’s early in the season, it’s not a conference game, and it’s not the NCCA Tournament. It’s in Madison Square Garden a place the Panthers love to play. So let them go and play and see how they do. I think they’ll do fine.

Comment by Justinian 11.21.12 @ 9:08 pm

Before I have too many and forget.

I want to wish all my PiTT brothers in arms a


Though we may argue on occasion we all share a commonality and a heritage that is unique.


Happy Thanksgiving to you & yours !

Veritas et Virtus


Comment by Emel 11.21.12 @ 9:09 pm

Emel, Hail to Pitt………… and have a happy Thanksgiving!

Comment by Justinian 11.21.12 @ 9:12 pm

@Justinian….this is Pitt’s only big non-conference game on the schedule. Ever hear of the RPI? Lose it and Pitt is an 8 seed.

Comment by Jackagain 11.21.12 @ 9:13 pm

Likewise Justinian. Happy Thanksgiving !

Also nice blogging with you, bro.

Us Roman Emperors have to stick together.

Hail ______ haha


Corpus Juris Civilis

Comment by Emel 11.21.12 @ 9:19 pm

Jacksagain, Having the number 1 seed in the past didn’t seem to help us. They just need to better and win their games at the end of the season.

Comment by Justinian 11.21.12 @ 9:21 pm

Is it a little early to worry about seeding. Let us wait to see how the season plays out. And hope for the best.

Comment by xfmrman 11.21.12 @ 9:25 pm

In a previous life, I was referred to as;

Emel Augustus Hadrian Caesar


Comment by Emel 11.21.12 @ 9:29 pm


Comment by xfmrman 11.21.12 @ 9:42 pm

EMel same to you may you eat to mutch and drink to mutch that sounds so fine and my we win.

Comment by FRANKCAN 11.21.12 @ 9:42 pm

ticky tack fouls both ways

Comment by Kenny Powers 11.21.12 @ 9:44 pm

Happy Thanksgiving. Let’s kick it off right!

Comment by panther94 11.21.12 @ 9:47 pm

Looks like Dixon agrees with the strategy…
2 players subed already… in 4min of play.

Comment by Joe D 11.21.12 @ 9:49 pm

Nice start for Pitt. Forcing Michigan to play a more physical game. That’s how you beat a Belien team!

Comment by Dan 72 11.21.12 @ 9:50 pm

Is it me, or does Pitt seem to be having some trouble with Michigan’s zone? Gotta find a way to get that ball inside more.

Comment by Lou 11.21.12 @ 9:51 pm

Any thoughts on how Adams would fare in this game? Could he contribute?

Comment by Lou 11.21.12 @ 9:57 pm

I have no idea how this game will turn out but color me impressed with Pitt’s atleticism, speed and “want” to attack the basket. A totally different team from last year.

Comment by Dan 72 11.21.12 @ 9:59 pm

9 players so far in first 10 min..
Michigan used 6 players..

It will come down to last 5min of game and who has legs if rotation continues.

Comment by Joe D 11.21.12 @ 10:00 pm

Gotta get Adams back in. Need him on the glass

Comment by Boubacar Aw 11.21.12 @ 10:00 pm

Terrible call

Comment by Boubacar Aw 11.21.12 @ 10:02 pm

Adams – two fouls in less than 4 minutes…takes his eye off the ball

Comment by markp 11.21.12 @ 10:02 pm

taylor is more atheletic

Comment by xfmrman 11.21.12 @ 10:03 pm


Comment by xfmrman 11.21.12 @ 10:05 pm

Moore is forcing it

Comment by xfmrman 11.21.12 @ 10:06 pm

Michigan is a good club…hope we can stay with them.

Comment by markp 11.21.12 @ 10:07 pm

Need a big contribution from Patterson. Looks positive so far.

Comment by Boubacar Aw 11.21.12 @ 10:08 pm

zanna at 5

Comment by xfmrman 11.21.12 @ 10:09 pm

Robinson is playing like an upper classman

Comment by Lou 11.21.12 @ 10:13 pm

Michigan has made a defensive adjustment ..pulling all the bigs in tighter and letting the guards roam. Better helpside D…let’s see how pitt adjust..

Comment by Dan 72 11.21.12 @ 10:14 pm

foul calls are ridiculous

Comment by xfmrman 11.21.12 @ 10:15 pm

Are these PAC 10 refs? Really ticky TAC calls.

Comment by Boubacar Aw 11.21.12 @ 10:16 pm

Michigan has the better looking cheerleaders!

Comment by markp 11.21.12 @ 10:20 pm

Markp, don’t the cameras always seem to pick the chubbiest, homliest Pitt cheerleader to show on national TV?

Pitt up 8 with 44 seconds in half.

Comment by Lou 11.21.12 @ 10:22 pm

Halftime recap…
10 man rotation… check
Woodall only took 3 shots… check
Appears nobody will be over 30min… maybe Robinson…
Wright getting lots of playtime… and not only for defense… scoring points.

Score… Pitt winning… 33-29

Comment by Joe D 11.21.12 @ 10:24 pm

A Pittsburgh Chunkie…huge thighs!!
Way too many fouls(some really cheap)…H2P!

Comment by markp 11.21.12 @ 10:25 pm

Maybe one of the best first halves of basketball I have seen Pitt play. Wow!

One small thing I’ve noticed. Pitt is a better team with Woodall on the bench. He slows the team down when he’s in.

Comment by Dan 72 11.21.12 @ 10:26 pm

Thank you Dan72…
Woodall reminds me of Gibbs last year… when Woodall is in… seems others don’t want to shoot.

Comment by Joe D 11.21.12 @ 10:27 pm

Survived a half of foul trouble – I’m a little worried about everyone having 2 fouls but it could be worse. Cam Wright earning his stripes … kudos. Go Pitt!

Comment by Tossing Thabeets 11.21.12 @ 10:28 pm

As an official dirty old man, totally agreed on the cheerleaders. Pitt’s are better than I have seen in years past. Michigan’s are adorable to a person.

Comment by Dan 72 11.21.12 @ 10:28 pm

playing good defense. I expect Moore to slow down and contribute in 2nd half.

Comment by xfmrman 11.21.12 @ 10:30 pm

Personal fouls… Pitt – 10, Michigan – 4…
Where are the refs from?
too ticky tacky…

Comment by Joe D 11.21.12 @ 10:30 pm

Woodall at least makes some move to the basket, Gibbs just stood around looking for the kick out.

Comment by Dan 72 11.21.12 @ 10:31 pm

Before we get intense in the second half, I would like to wish evryone at Pitt Blather a SAFE, and as happy as possilbe Thanksgiving. Anyone heading north …..I95 is a parking lot from DC to Connecticut!

Comment by Dan 72 11.21.12 @ 10:33 pm

Wright has played well.

Comment by Mailman 11.21.12 @ 10:35 pm

Adams is taking the early McGee route – will he have more fouls than minutes played tonight?

Comment by Tossing Thabeets 11.21.12 @ 10:35 pm

Good job w/subs. No one has more than 2 fouls. I don’t like that Robinson has 2, though.

Comment by panther94 11.21.12 @ 10:35 pm

thanks Dan. U2. drive safely

Comment by xfmrman 11.21.12 @ 10:36 pm

Not one free throw in the first half? Huh?

Comment by Pitt Dad 11.21.12 @ 10:37 pm

Post over at ESPN “This is some one sided stuff. Pitt shoots 14 times inside the arc. Pitt gets mugged in the paint and nothing.

8 free throws for Michigan

0 for Pitt”

My reply: “Did you watch the Indiana & Kentucky games?

Comment by Jackagain 11.21.12 @ 10:37 pm

Gotta be careful on the perimeter. Michigan is a good 3 pt shooting team. Not likely to keep at a 1 for 7 pace.

Comment by Pitt Dad 11.21.12 @ 10:39 pm

At the half, 20% of Michigan’s points are from the free throw line.

Comment by Pitt Dad 11.21.12 @ 10:40 pm

Pitt is mauling Michigan in the paint, thus the fouls. Many ticky tack, but I like the physicallity of Pitt’s game. It has taken Michigan, a very very good team, out of it’s finesse game.

Comment by Dan 72 11.21.12 @ 10:40 pm

Yep, bench has come up big. Cam Wright forced into a couple 3’s and knocks them down…Offense looks great. Patient and deliberate but working clock down late a lot…. Zanna moved to center to make room for JJ at 4 for last few minutes of the half. That was interesting.

Michigan guards are great. Really impressive one on one players. If it is close late, it will be scary.

Way more Michigan fans around me….MSG final renovation looks nice, but upper bowl is closed and most lux boxes empty. Bummer.

Comment by SilverPanther in NYC 11.21.12 @ 10:40 pm

Dan72, what did you think about the Woodall charge?

Zero free throws in the half???

Comment by Jackagain 11.21.12 @ 10:41 pm

@SilverPanther – hearing a lot of “Let’s Go Pitt” on the TV. Is it loud in the Garden?

Comment by Pitt Dad 11.21.12 @ 10:41 pm

All Adams is doing is trying to set picks

Comment by markp 11.21.12 @ 10:46 pm

Terrible drive by Woodall

Comment by markp 11.21.12 @ 10:47 pm

Need to move Robinson back to point guard…and sooon

Comment by Dan 72 11.21.12 @ 10:48 pm

Burke is just schooling Woodall..
bench Woodall.. force a shot… turnover..

Comment by Joe D 11.21.12 @ 10:48 pm

Michigan has ID’s Woodall as the weak link and are going after him on every play now.

Comment by Dan 72 11.21.12 @ 10:54 pm

Pitt also a better team with Dante in …than Adams

Comment by Dan 72 11.21.12 @ 10:55 pm

Terrible call on Taylor – he was pushed into the player

Comment by markp 11.21.12 @ 10:56 pm

Make up all on the block…I like these refs

Comment by Dan 72 11.21.12 @ 10:59 pm

these refs suck. both ways. so it is even.

Comment by xfmrman 11.21.12 @ 10:59 pm

Getting the foul calls now but only 3 of 6 from the line.

@markp – foul calls have been fairly lousy both ways but mostly favoring Michigan. Starting to even up.

Comment by Pitt Dad 11.21.12 @ 11:00 pm

i know nba teams make millionaires out of 7 footers based on potential all the time but…adams is no where near being able to contribute to an nba team. i don’t think he’s one and done at pitt.

Comment by scott 11.21.12 @ 11:02 pm

that was a good call. not a flop

Comment by xfmrman 11.21.12 @ 11:04 pm

Great play by Woodall to draw the charge..worried again about Pitt’s Ft’s they’ve missed a bunch already

Comment by Dan 72 11.21.12 @ 11:05 pm

Hardaway has 3 fouls. Somebody has to take a charge.

Comment by Pitt Dad 11.21.12 @ 11:08 pm

Officiating is very inconsistent

Comment by Outlaw 11.21.12 @ 11:09 pm

Adams is much more of a project than expected, the pub machine overhyped him. Taylor is the better option this year.

Comment by Jimbo 11.21.12 @ 11:09 pm

@Outlaw – you’re just being kind. It sucks.

Comment by Pitt Dad 11.21.12 @ 11:10 pm

Right on cue Pitt Dad…

Comment by Outlaw 11.21.12 @ 11:11 pm

Adams looks lost out there

Comment by OrlandoAlum 11.21.12 @ 11:11 pm

woodall is killing us. Put him on the bench!

Comment by Pitt fan in Atlanta 11.21.12 @ 11:12 pm

Every time we start to pull away a bit, there is a bs foul call

Comment by Outlaw 11.21.12 @ 11:13 pm

4 point turn around on bad plays by Patterson

Comment by Boubacar Aw 11.21.12 @ 11:14 pm

Patterson can’t even make a layup…Woodall is over matched in this game.

Comment by Jackagain 11.21.12 @ 11:14 pm

Tossing T…
do you want to respond to Pitt fan in Atlanta..
RE: Woodall.

Comment by Joe D 11.21.12 @ 11:14 pm

Pitt cannot buy a basket..missed their last 7 and 5 of 6 FT’s. Michigan’s quicknes and smoothness is overwhelming Pitt now. This one is beginning to get away. Again, Woodall has been a huge liability. Cannot shoot,pass or defend…a bad place to be.

Comment by Dan 72 11.21.12 @ 11:14 pm

Dunk the damn ball Adams.. geesh..

Comment by Joe D 11.21.12 @ 11:15 pm

Adams is sucking so bad! Does he know how to dunk?

Comment by OrlandoAlum 11.21.12 @ 11:15 pm

Adams is pathetic. 5-star? NBA? How about water boy

Comment by TonyC 11.21.12 @ 11:16 pm

Adams is a waste of size. 7-0 tall and zero points! Dunk the damn ball!

Comment by Pitt fan in Atlanta 11.21.12 @ 11:16 pm

Looks like Adams was afraid if he went in for the dunk he’d get called for a charge. When games are called this inconsistently, inexperienced players don’t know how to react.

Comment by Pitt Dad 11.21.12 @ 11:17 pm

Right now… Dixon is the liability..
not coaching like he did first half…
not rotating players..
and players need to be agressive and take the damn shot… geesh… slowing it down and too many shots with less than 5 sec on clock.

Comment by Joe D 11.21.12 @ 11:18 pm

adams looks like he missed a step out or switch

Comment by teezy 11.21.12 @ 11:18 pm

OMG – 4-18 shooting…

Comment by markp 11.21.12 @ 11:19 pm

Adams has 1 rebound and zero points. Are you kidding me. he is 7 ft tall.

Comment by Pitt fan in Atlanta 11.21.12 @ 11:20 pm

I don’t think we have to worry about Adams going pro for awhile

Comment by Kenny Powers 11.21.12 @ 11:20 pm


Comment by TonyC 11.21.12 @ 11:21 pm

I’m 6’2″ and sitting on the couch drinking a beer and we have the same amount of points.

Comment by OrlandoAlum 11.21.12 @ 11:21 pm

Unfortunately, getting schooled is valuable experience.

Comment by panther94 11.21.12 @ 11:21 pm

Watch the white kid school Woodall….

Comment by Joe D 11.21.12 @ 11:23 pm

wright and JJ need to get back in the game>

Comment by markp 11.21.12 @ 11:23 pm

Watch everyone school Adams. I knew this kid would be a major bust

Comment by TonyC 11.21.12 @ 11:24 pm

Same problems, different year. Pitt doesn’t have a go-to player. Who gets the ball when we absolutely need a bucket? Can’t shoot 20% in a half and win the game.

Comment by ABomb 11.21.12 @ 11:25 pm

Come on! Let’s go!

Comment by panther94 11.21.12 @ 11:25 pm

Pitt getting crushed on the boards 38-26 Pitt 5-20 from the floor in the second half. Down only 5 but Michigan has all the momentem and quickness.
Agreed on Adams, he is lost against superior opposition. Has a lot to learn Dante was good early but has disappeared along with most of the Pitt team in the second half. Michigan is really good!

Comment by Dan 72 11.21.12 @ 11:25 pm

Dixon has to know when the kid is not ready. Adams is not ready. Being 7-0 gets you at least 5 rb and 4 points. They spot you that when you step on the court.

This is a typical PITT team. No real superstars. That always bites us as we never have that one player that can take over the game.

We need for Adams to grow up fast.

Comment by Pitt fan in Atlanta 11.21.12 @ 11:25 pm

I wouldn’t call Adams a major bust. But the kid is obviously raw and unpolished. Far from being a finished product, not his fault that he’s been hyped up big time. A lot of work to do, but he’ll get better.

Comment by Kenny Powers 11.21.12 @ 11:26 pm


STFU…he’s a freshman. Give him a chance to learn.

Comment by panther94 11.21.12 @ 11:26 pm

You guys aren’t watching he same game. Patterson is killing us. Missed a block out then could defend and then a dumb foul

Comment by Boubacar Aw 11.21.12 @ 11:27 pm

Pitt goes zone…putting up the white flag of surrender…Pitt getting schooled…hope they learn the lessons. Still, like this Pitt team. Tons of potential

Comment by Dan 72 11.21.12 @ 11:28 pm

We need Levance to stand up and make the Bronx X to get them fired up

Comment by OrlandoAlum 11.21.12 @ 11:28 pm

Sorry bub. He just doesn’t have it. No athleticism

Comment by TonyC 11.21.12 @ 11:28 pm

everything going um’s way now

Comment by teezy 11.21.12 @ 11:29 pm

game over… down by 7 with 90 tics left.

Comment by Joe D 11.21.12 @ 11:29 pm

Just consider the team we had last year and what we have now. We gave #5 a hell of a game.

Comment by panther94 11.21.12 @ 11:30 pm

Typical Pitt offensive performance against tough least it’s early in the season

Comment by Outlaw 11.21.12 @ 11:30 pm

I’m OK with this game. M is obviously very good. This will help us for the future.

Comment by OrlandoAlum 11.21.12 @ 11:30 pm

team collapsed down the stretch. Coaching disappeared as well. Pisses me off!

Keep Adams on the bench until the boy gets some heart. Woodall needs to handle the ball better. Taylor needs to remember that he was once a McD All-American.

Comment by Pitt fan in Atlanta 11.21.12 @ 11:30 pm

Adams needs some Dejuan Blair nasty. Otherwise enjoy the bench

Comment by TonyC 11.21.12 @ 11:31 pm

Cam Wright was having a hell of a game…
on offense… AND defense…
and got little play time in 2nd half.

Comment by Joe D 11.21.12 @ 11:32 pm

about time woodall did something!

Comment by Pitt fan in Atlanta 11.21.12 @ 11:32 pm

Woodall hits a 3 ..we are still in this game down 3 with 39 seconds left.

Comment by Dan 72 11.21.12 @ 11:33 pm

Collapsed? What game have you been watching? It’s a one possession game with 31 ticks left.

Comment by Pitt Dad 11.21.12 @ 11:33 pm

Pitt within 3, with 30 seconds left-do we have another miracle in us??

Comment by Lou 11.21.12 @ 11:33 pm

This loss is on Dixon..
the players are there…

Comment by Joe D 11.21.12 @ 11:33 pm

Yeah Michigan literally has two “guys” that they can go to with Robinson and Hardaway. No shame in this showing. But they’ve got to develop a low post game. It’s inexcusable to not utilize Zanna, Adams, Taylor more than this.

Comment by Kenny Powers 11.21.12 @ 11:33 pm

Yeah I would not say we collapsed. Gave #4 team all they could handle. I like this team a lot better than last year’s.

Comment by OrlandoAlum 11.21.12 @ 11:36 pm

Refs missed the steal. Damn,

Comment by Pitt Dad 11.21.12 @ 11:36 pm

This loss is on our lack of execution. Too many poor passes

Comment by TonyC 11.21.12 @ 11:37 pm

Lots of lessons to learn from this game: Patterson totally invisible again, JJMoore needs more floor time, Adams less. Dante needs to play for the ENTIRE game not just in spurts, Woodall cannot match up with quick guards/ Zeigler is special…I have watched him off the ball and he is a hard working heady player. Robinson is very special. He needs to play point the whole game.

Comment by Dan 72 11.21.12 @ 11:38 pm

If this really is the #4 team, look out for Pitt

Comment by TonyC 11.21.12 @ 11:38 pm

We’re going punch for punch, toe to toe with a top 5 team early in the season. We could have done better but this is way better than last year.

Comment by Pitt Dad 11.21.12 @ 11:38 pm

We’re all here for the same reason, so let’s recognize just how far this team has come. We’ve got the whole season to get better. And what does this game tell us? We can beat anybody.

Comment by panther94 11.21.12 @ 11:39 pm

we were up the entire game and then got cold on offense and defense. We collapsed. For sure.
Moral victories mean nothing folks. Could of, should have, if we would have…

Comment by Pitt fan in Atlanta 11.21.12 @ 11:39 pm

Something tells me this is how all the ACC games are going to be called from the officials. Can’t stand this

Comment by Kenny Powers 11.21.12 @ 11:40 pm

Ziegler can’t shoot. Like at all

Comment by TonyC 11.21.12 @ 11:40 pm

M is 12-12 on FTs to end the game. That’s how you win close ones.

Comment by OrlandoAlum 11.21.12 @ 11:43 pm

Moral victories mean a lot if we learn from them. The only losses that actually matter are in the NCAA’s. We’ve proven that 1 seeds mean absolutely nothing. Just get in.

Comment by TonyC 11.21.12 @ 11:44 pm

this team is still young as a team.

they played michigan tough and they will get better.

feeling good about this year after tonight. in march, we’ll win a game like this.

Comment by deepelemblues 11.21.12 @ 11:44 pm

OK….now why do I bother watching college BB again?


Comment by Jackagain 11.21.12 @ 11:46 pm

Called foul with no time off the clock so Michigan can beat the spread….amazing. No steal….no out of bounds….someone call me in April when this farce is over….

Comment by Jackagain 11.21.12 @ 11:48 pm

tough loss. We were the better team for 2/3 of the game. Big time teams know how to finish the game. Team is young (but so was Michigan).

WE have a big team with Zanna and Adams but we need for Adams to do something, anything.

We need clutch guard.

The team will get better but remember folks that the Big East isnt a cake walk this year with UofL, Cuse, UConn, and UC. Don’t forget the pesky fighting irish.

I like what we saw for 2/3rd of the game but we need players to take over the game. Defense keeps you in the game but a game changer wins it for you. We need the latter.

Michigan is good but NOT a #4 team. Top 10 but not top 5. UK, Cuse, UofL, Duke, and Indiana would kill the michigan team.

Comment by Pitt fan in Atlanta 11.21.12 @ 11:51 pm

looking forward to rest of season.

Comment by xfmrman 11.21.12 @ 11:55 pm

Pitt got jobbed on the strip that went into Wright’s hands. They called a foul and it was tipped from behind. Down by 2 under our hoop it would have been an open layup to tie. Instead Michigan got to walk to other end and shoot 2 which they made. I thought the Panthers played well and were in control until Michigan went to Belien’s 1-3-1. When it looked like the game was over the Panthers continued to play them tough.

Comment by Justinian 11.21.12 @ 11:57 pm

I think the officiating stunk, especially down the stretch. Love Robinson at point guard. Our rebounding needs work. Grab the ball like you want it.

Comment by Rex 11.21.12 @ 11:59 pm

WTH happened to Pitt’s rebounding? A win would have been nice because it meant one more game against a BCS conference foe (K-State).

Very impressed that this team has no quit. Played hard until the final buzzer and had a couple calls gone their way could have really made things interesting. Officials are still in non-con officiating mode when this was played with the intensity of a mid-February game. Not fair to either team.

James Robinson almost willed this team to victory – the next four years will be fun with him at the helm. Now that we know he go to the basket – make it part of the offense.

Comment by Tossing Thabeets 11.22.12 @ 12:00 am

Dixon should know the 1-3-1 by now….it’s all WVU ever used…

Looks like Adams will be getting his degree after all….

Comment by Jackagain 11.22.12 @ 12:00 am

All in all I’ll take this loss. If these two teams would meet again in the tourney I think Pitt wins because Adams will get much better as the year goes on. Right now he is lost in both ends of the floor.

Comment by HbgFrank 11.22.12 @ 12:00 am

TT….Robinson was able to go to the hoop because he knew they couldn’t foul. Every team does that….

Great player though…..amazing for a true freshman.

Comment by Jackagain 11.22.12 @ 12:02 am


Comment by Pitt Dad 11.22.12 @ 12:05 am

Ya, Steven Adams stinks. Take his scholarship away!!! LMAO

Comment by Dan 11.22.12 @ 12:08 am


I was implying that he needs to take over the game earlier rather than later and should be more of an offensive threat than just 3’s and jumpers … but he’ll learn.

Comment by Tossing Thabeets 11.22.12 @ 12:12 am

Your comments about Jamie Dixon obviously reflect your vast elite coaching experience (which I am sure you will elaborate on). I will take Jamie Dixon coaching my team any day. The season is young….PITT will be fine. We all expected more out of Adams at this point. Hopefully he continues to work hard and learns quick.
Have a safe and happy Thanksgiving everyone!

Comment by Jason 11.22.12 @ 12:15 am

Patterson invisible??? He dropped 14

Comment by Pitt2Cali 11.22.12 @ 1:04 am

Great game by our Panthers against a Michigan team that has Final 4/NBA talent… This type of loss will keep us working hard and keep hunger alive. It was a good loss… We’ll only get better from here. Gotta stay positive.

Comment by Pitt2Cali 11.22.12 @ 1:11 am

Was it just me or was Dakich creaming his pants over the Maize n Blue? Holy cow that guy had a hard on for that team. I hate ESPN

Comment by TonyC 11.22.12 @ 1:56 am

This game played out like most of PITT tourney losses. The other team has an established star they go to while PITT has a collection of good players. Hopefully someone will be a clear cut star for PITT at the end of the year. Good game to build on.

Comment by Pittastic 11.22.12 @ 7:03 am

Glad Adams played against a serious foe in November. I won’t flatter the “bust” comment with a reply.
This team has it between the ears. We will lose games.
But name a player from the past in Robinsons image.
You can’t because he is different. Maybe Branden Knight but that is it.
This team has a high ceiling. Congrats to Michigan. Ask Michigan if they want to play us in March.
Dokich is a fool. Times 2.

Comment by SFPitt 11.22.12 @ 7:36 am

The loss was on Dixon…
2 players over 30 min…
Can’t believe Cam Wright was having a hellava game and only played 9 min…. scored 8… didn’t see any action in 2nd half.
albeit 10 players were in the rotation… 4 players got less than 10min of playtime..

Dixon rotated well in first half… if he did the same in the 2nd half, Pitt would have won.

Comment by Joe D 11.22.12 @ 7:40 am

Cam Wright played better than I ever thought he could. Dixon coaching was poor the second half. Steven Adams is nowhere ready to even think about the NBA, he looks lost. Robinson looks solid. Michigan is really quick. Pitt needs big men to step up and control the boards to stop quick teams from running.

Comment by Wayne 11.22.12 @ 8:04 am

Rex, the officaiting was awful and it cost Pitt the game. Calling Wright for a foul at the end when the ball tipped from behind into his hands was a terrible call and cost Pitt the opportunity for a comeback win. That strip was clean and under our basket, so it would have been a layup.

Comment by Justinian 11.22.12 @ 8:08 am

Pitt didn’t play well in 2nd half. Loss is on Dixon. Poor 2nd half coaching. Robinson is a stud, and Adams is just too raw…needs a lot of work. Dixon’s assistants just sit there, they do NO coaching.

ESPN crew all night were talking about ticky tack calls on Pitt. Wasn’t the reason they lost though.

They’ll win 10-12 games in the Big East and make it to the tourney. They’ll be a top 15 team by end of year.

Twitter was abuzz with the national guys saying the NIT messed up cause they ALL though Pitt and Michigan were the 2 best teams in the NIT. The other game was so bad, it wasn’t even on ESPN networks except

Comment by Joe Bull 11.22.12 @ 8:15 am

Wow. we are demanding fans. Which is a good thing. Pitt took the No. 4 team in the country down to the wire and lost a close game. Big improvement from last yr. Yeah, Adams sucked and I screamed at him too, but the kid has a big upside and will learn from this game. To call him a bust is ridiculous. Dante is playing better but disappeared down the stretch. As noted above, Jamie’s frontcourt with JJ and Talib was interesting and an attempt to score some pts on a very tight Michigan D in the 2nd half.
Robinson is the story of the game. A star is born in da Garden. He might be our best talent on the floor at this pt. And yeah, the refs blew that steal, which could have led to a hoop and OT. Cam made 3 big shots and deserves more playing time, especially when Trey tanks as he did most of the night. A loss, yes, but this young team played good D against a very good team and if we made 1 or 2 more shots during that 2nd half cold spell or our FT like Michigan did (22 to 11 advantage Mich)we might have pulled off the upset. Relax and enjoy the progress of this young team. HTP. Happy Thanksgiving

Comment by Bossdaws 11.22.12 @ 8:50 am

Bossdaws, I’m pleased with what I saw. The Panthers controlled the flow through much of the game and very easily could have had a much bigger lead at halftime. Down the stretch, Michigan out rebounded Pitt coming up with several key rebounds. We had some problems with the 1-3-1, as Pitt teams have had in the past. However,I was impressed with how this Pitt team played and how they refused to go away, even when they were down by 8 at the end. None the less, I still wanted to see them pull out the win.

Comment by Justinian 11.22.12 @ 9:02 am

Assistant coach Steve Adams is one & done allright – he plays 1 minute & he’s on the bench. Not all his fault , teammates make no effort to pass him the ball – Dixon needs to evolve – Pitt just passes the ball around the perimeter for 25 seconds with no inside entry passes at all !! We’ ll get our hearts broken ib the tourney way too soon again because the coaching makes us offensively challenged due to a lack of cr

Comment by ROCKY20 11.22.12 @ 9:10 am

Meant to end with – ” offensively challenged due to a lack of creativity “

Comment by ROCKY20 11.22.12 @ 9:15 am

The worse thing about a loss is that the fringe fans show up to complain … A young team that didn’t even make the post-season NIT last year took the #4 team in the country to the brink on a neutral court. Pitt, once again, showed heart and passion fighting to the very end. James Robinson almost willed the team to a victory again a la the Oakland game … had a couple calls and bounces gone Pitt’s way, we’d be talking about how great they closed the game. Even thought they were mired in foul trouble most of the game, Pitt showed their depth. We saw Cam Wright show up again this season … looks like he’s turning a corner … we were practically running him out of the program last season. Durand Johnson probably played more than he should have but you can see the potential … Dixon was coaching like it was the BE Tourney – to criticize his coaching is ridiculous. It’s his program and he wants the team to play a certain way. I understand if you don’t like the style but it’s been Pitt basketball for a decade and the reason we’re even relevant. The team struggled against the 1-3-1 but kept TO’s to a minimum … shooting is the team’s achilles heal and credit Michigan for making them shoot. Of all things, rebounding lost the game for Pitt … in years past after a bad rebounding effort the team has come out ferocious on the boards for an extended amount of time. That will be fixed. Look at the stats of the game. Very even down the line with Michigan … except rebounding and FT’s attempted. The sky is not falling. Pitt is legit.

Comment by Tossing Thabeets 11.22.12 @ 9:28 am

Good pt on the rebounds, Justinian. Pitt usually loses the game when we lose the RB battle. I too wanted this win badly, like we all did, but saw a gusty performance against a good team and look forward to watching this young team grow. HTP

Comment by Bossdaws 11.22.12 @ 9:31 am

I was at the game.

During a time out in the 2nd half on comes Sweet Caroline with the appropriate silent interludes to insert “Let’s go Pitt.”

The Blue contingent was stupefied.

Hmmm, it was all downhill from thereon in.

Happy Thanksgiving!

Comment by steve1 11.22.12 @ 9:57 am

Didn’t like what I saw last night. PITT made 8 3’s to their 3, Mich shot 17% from 3 and we still lose.

Same old offensive sets, as I posted previously we need some new sets. This constant perimeter passing until the time clock is dwindling down and then a panic shot has got to stop.

Yea teams will let you pass the ball around the perimeter if your not trying to penetrate or pass inside. Yea they’ll let you do that all day, pass & pass & pass around and around.

Ziegler was the only one I saw out there in the 2nd half who could actually take someone off the dribble. He should have been playing more, he played a GRAND TOTAL of 9 minutes. Plus he had to be jacked to be playing Michigan. What gives !

Comment by Emel 11.22.12 @ 10:01 am

A few items, Pitt is a good team but they need more from the center position. Adams has the tools but needs developed, is he a one and done? Unsure, let’s see if he improves, he is not a bust, so far.

I think Taylor is playing in pain with his knees, just a guess.

I didn’t watch all of the game but a lot of fouls were called that were questionable, what was the final fouls per team?

Pitt played a resonable game but didn’t make enough plays, a few rebounds here, more made foul shots and a few turnovers less would have won this game.

This loss is nothing to cry about Michigan is a very good team but Pitt demonstrated they can play with a top 4 team.

Comment by WLAT and the Big Beat 11.22.12 @ 10:02 am

Point being if Michigan shoots a typical game of 35% from 3, that was a blowout in the 2nd half.

And I don’t even want to talk about what’s going on with Adams. Is this going to be another, forcing someone to fit into a square hole, when he’s not a square. I thought we learned that lesson last year.

Comment by Emel 11.22.12 @ 10:05 am


Mich shot a bunch of FT’s in the last minute as PITT was fouling to stop the clock, trying to steal the ball, etc.

I think they shot at least 10 and made like 8 in the last minute and a half.

Comment by Emel 11.22.12 @ 10:09 am

Emel – they mentioned that it was a surprise Zeigler even played. Hamstring issued prior to the game … I’m guessing we’ll be seeing more and more of him as he settles in. I agree – penetration is a must but the rebounding is what lost the game for them. Only 5 offensive boards is very low for a Dixon team and is critical to their success.

Other than that, only 10 TO’s and assist on 80% of their baskets. Once again the press looks like it can be successful – heres to B Knight convincing Dixon to go to it more often.

I’m a fan from what I’ve seen so far – as I mentioned previously, anytime Pitt gets out-rebounded, they come back with a vengeance for an extended amount of time on the boards. This loss will only make them better.

Comment by Tossing Thabeets 11.22.12 @ 10:11 am

Oh this quote was incredible I thought:

They outrebounded us by 11,” Pittsburgh coach Jamie Dixon said. ”It was obviously a very close game, tight game. I think this is a good game for us. We got some good performances.”

We had one guy in double figures.
A good game ?

I thought this program had reached the point, we don’t take moral victories from losses.
Apparently not !

Comment by Emel 11.22.12 @ 10:12 am


Well we won’t know if it makes them better, until sometime in January as the non-con has no challenges or good teams remaining on the schedule.

They better pick themselves backup for the game on Friday at MSG or they could lose to Delaware.
Which only lost by 3 to Kansas State.

Comment by Emel 11.22.12 @ 10:17 am

And as far as Michigan being #4, well it’s still way early. And if they shoot like they did last night from 3, they won’t be #4 for long.

Need I remind everyone when PITT beat VA Tech they were #13 in the country, they are 5-6 now and need a win in their final game to get to some schmuck bowl.

So moral of that story is, the rankings mean absolutely nothing right now.

Comment by Emel 11.22.12 @ 10:24 am

Tossing T..
Pitt has the team (depth) to press the entire game if they want to…
I know I keep harping on Depth… but that is what IS Pitt’s strength and they need to use it to their advantage. Dixon didn’t use the depth appropriately in 2nd half. 9-10 min for 4 players doesn’t cut it…

Pitt played well…
but Dixon didn’t use the same rotation strategy from 1st half to 2nd half… that is why Pitt lost.
Adams needs to get physical… he played very tentative last night. He is NOT a one and done.

Comment by Joe D 11.22.12 @ 10:26 am

During this non conf schedule Pitt needs to get Adams involved in the offense . I know he has talent, saw him play prior to enrolling at Pitt. He seems like he is overwhelmed by the offensive and defensive sysyems Pitt plays and can’t do what comes naturally to him. I’m sure he will be fine but we need to get him more involved offensively.

Comment by spindler's spirit 11.22.12 @ 10:26 am

Happy Thanksgiving guys & girls (if we have any)

Enjoy the Day !

Comment by Emel 11.22.12 @ 10:29 am

I sat behind the Pitt basket last night & a few observations:
– The Oakland Zoo should be proud. Loud for the whole game while UM fans sat back, waiting for their weekend football game.
– There were two Pitt possessions, back to back, in the second to last minute when Zanna & Taylor were under the basket, bobbling rebounds that UM recovered, that they scored on both times. Neither Zanna nor Taylor seemed to know the other was there and they did not help each other, each touching the ball! Why Dixon, why? If you go with the big men, make sure they communicate.
– Robinson, Zeigler: like! Might grow to love. JJ Moore was an animal last night.
– Patterson: he felt absent to me too, and then I saw he had 13 points! He is a hesitant shooter, and while I *think* he *might* be trying to develop a Sam Young pump fake, UM read it every time and it came across to the crowd as hesitant. He needs to get more comfortable taking his shot.
– I was disappointed Woodall didn’t lift this team on his back with 2:42 left to go. He was on the court and Levance Fields he was not. Zanna started playing sloppy, and Woodall was not the senior in front of his NYC family I expected. I don’t think Woodall has ever had a *great* game in NY/NJ, am I correct?
– However: as I mentioned, I saw behind Pitt’s basket in the second half. The officials made sure Pitt could not come back in the final minute, as those boys were playing loose and could have won the game.

Very excited about this season! H2P and Happy Thanksgiving Pitt Blatherers!

Comment by Rieur1114 11.22.12 @ 10:41 am

IDK Emel it’s not like losing a FB game. Games like this against superior opponents make teams better in the long run…That is why I can accept this loss. I saw a lot of positive things with room to improve….BTW I think Pitts defense had a part in UM’s poor 3 point shooting.

Comment by HbgFrank 11.22.12 @ 10:56 am

What time is the Delaware game/TV ? Talk is increasing we’re going to get Foster AND Boyd !! Coming from an alumni – Pitt is the greatest all the way around !!

Comment by ROCKY20 11.22.12 @ 11:00 am

Emel – I think the team needs to learn how to win. The soft non-con will help them with that. I do think that winning was important though – it would have ensured a 2nd BCS conference opponent. They’ve showed a lot of character the last two games … playing until the end even when the games were seemingly out of reach.

Are you implying Michigan is overrated? Maybe at 4 but they certainly have the “look” of a top 10 team. One thing the announcers hit on were that they have “NBA bodies” on the court. Reminded me of a Pitt team – men among boys. Give some credit to Pitt’s D for Michigan’s lack of 3’s.

Joe D – The ONLY reason for the rotation in the first half was because fouls were piling up. Michigan made adjustments at halftime and employed the the 1-3-1 much more often and effectively. The impressive part was Pitt keeping TO’s to a minimum … they needed shots to fall though.

I don’t think Pitt should press the whole game but stretches would be nice. Typically, as conference games roll around Dixon shortens his bench – I don’t think that will be the case this year. I would expect the minutes you saw last night to be the norm – both Cam and Durand getting about 9-10 mins a game.

Pitt was lacking a go-to player. Woodall needed to step up between the 15 min and 5 min mark of the 2nd half … I’ve been on his side forever but these are the games where he has to make a name for himself and show the Pitt faithful he’s a legit BE player … otherwise it just fuels Joe D.

I thought Moore should have been on the court more – Pitt needed his athleticism to offset Michigan’s length. It seemed like Dixon was trying to get Patterson going this game – he did but at the expense of Moore. Not sure that is a good thing. Patterson played 10 minutes more than Moore. I know they are playing diff positions but the entire front court rotation was a little off last night. I’d say fouls played into it but Patterson had the most and eventually fouled out.

DE won’t be easy – especially after a tough and emotional loss to a “big time” opponent.

Comment by Tossing Thabeets 11.22.12 @ 11:37 am

The game is 2:30pm Saturday – not sure of TV exposure though. I’m sure it will be on if it’s not televised.

Comment by Tossing Thabeets 11.22.12 @ 11:38 am

Blue Hens (minus Flacco) 2:30, ESPN2

Comment by steve1 11.22.12 @ 11:39 am

Happy Thanksgiving everyone and Hail to Pitt!

Comment by Pitt Is IT 11.22.12 @ 12:13 pm

This was a good learning experience. Still not sure who the go to guys are. Who should be on the floor at crunch time. A little disappointment in Adams. Had hoped he’d be further along. Still not sure why he was benched so much. This team is big but doesn’t play like it. They looked a little intimidated.

Michigan does have more thorobreds. We know we can play with them, have to learn how to finish.

Comment by gc 11.22.12 @ 12:15 pm

Agree with Joe D above that the strength of this team is depth. They have several 6’5 clones who Dixon can sub in and out. The stage was a little big for Adams but he will continue to grow and calm down as the season progresses. Michigan is more seasoned and further ahead at this point. If this game is played in February, Pitt wins.

Comment by Floyd 11.22.12 @ 12:25 pm

@SFPITT, I’m sure you realized my comment about Adams was sarcastic, and referring to another poster seriously saying “guess Adams will be getting his degree”.

Comment by Dan 11.22.12 @ 12:26 pm

Tossing – the game is 2:30 tomorrow (Friday), not Saturday on ESPN (the main one)

link to

Comment by KeyboardKev 11.22.12 @ 12:34 pm

This thought occurred to me while watching last night’s game, and it may put things into some kind of perspective — EXIT SUNSERI; ENTER ROBINSON! Has to put a smile on our face!

Comment by Stanley Schweiger ('60) 11.22.12 @ 12:39 pm

Thanks – I thought I saw Sat.

Comment by Tossing Thabeets 11.22.12 @ 1:09 pm

I’m too tired right now to go back and look at who in particular mentioned that this game was on a neutral floor, but I was at the game and this was in no way a ‘neutral’ site game. There were about 25 kids from Pitt in one section representing the Zoo, but almost everyone else at MSG was a Michigan fan. The place ERUPTED at about the 8:30 mark in the second half and from then on it was basically a home game for Michigan fan-wise. Very, very loud “DEFENSE” chants and tons of applause and yelling on their scoring possessions. As soon as the Garden got loud in favor of the Wolverines, our team basically collapsed. Take a look at a replay and you’ll find exactly that. When the place was hush-hush except for the condensed ‘zoo’ and the few of us other scattered fans throughout the arena, Pitt had the ability to set up the offense. Once the noise kicked in, all hell broke loose and we couldn’t set up the offense at all. Not making any of this up, go back and watch tape and see if you can see where the crowd noise picks up at the 8:30 mark.

Comment by MikePITT 11.22.12 @ 2:19 pm

I would like to see Adams be more aggressive. Not sure this can be coached but I guess it will come as he gets more comfortable. if we are going to to run a half court offense, I would like to see dixon run some plays for Adams early as maybe a few early baskets will help him get comfortable.

On Robinson, love this kid and thinking he is our starting point guard. Woodall needs to be coming off the bench as back up point as he is not a 2 guard and is a poor shooter. Jamie can spot him at 2 guard but he can’t start there.

Comment by pittfan92 11.22.12 @ 2:21 pm

This team hasn’t been good at feeding the post players since DeJuan Blair was around and that was mostly LeVance doing the feeding. (what over 3 years ago)

Now granted McGhee didn’t have great hands, and Sleepy and now Adams are having much difficulty playing with their backs to the basket. But whatever the problem, this has been going on for quite a few years now.

Before Adams gets totally frustrated, let him play PF, facing the hoop, let him score some points and freelance a little and use his unique athleticism for a guy his size. All that athleticism gets bottled up with him stuck in the middle. However they let him play at ND Prep, let him play that way.

He can practice his post moves over the summer.
Maybe they can hire someone to teach both him & Gilbert who also appears to have limited offensive skills with his back to the basket.

Maybe get a two for one deal :-)

Comment by Emel 11.22.12 @ 3:01 pm

I was thinking the same thing Emel…Pitt can’t operate it’s offense without feeding the center. His job then is to either score or pass the ball back out to someone who’s open. That’s Pitt’s basic and best offense offense.

It looks like Robinson and anyone else with the ball is afraid to feed either Taylor (too short & weak), or Adams who doesn’t know what to do with the ball. Hopefully he’ll yearn soon…

Adams has no post moves…his chuck it up layup leaves much to be desired. He needs to dunk the ball….he seems worried that he’ll foul someone trying to score. That’s almost impossible…

I don’t like the idea of Adams playing the 4 though…it will just waste another year for him and Taylor will have to play 35 minutes. Would take Zanna off the floor too….not to mention moving Moore to the 3.

Well, no matter what happens with Adams, Pitt won’t have the most improved player in the BE next year :-)

Comment by Jackagain 11.22.12 @ 3:18 pm

Still am baffled how these weren’t set up to play in the final. Robinson and Moore will be the go-to guys by the end of the year. We should all be happy, this is what we’ve been waiting for a team that will grow as the season goes and being playing it’s best ball come March. They are a young team, but they fight for everything. If these teams play again in March Pitt wins by double digits. H2P

Comment by Pitt Rob 11.22.12 @ 4:55 pm

It as a fun game to watch and should show that this should be a good team by tourney time. Would like to see one of our two starting guards get more incidence in their shooting. We should see Adams get better with time. Zanna, Adams, and Patterson also will get better working together more as they get experience playing together. Seems like they still gotta work out some bugs and get used to each other. Michigan is a good team and so is Pitt.

Comment by Dish 11.22.12 @ 6:02 pm

Yeah I got it. I was aiming at those who label him a bust.
Wow. That comes outta nowhere.
I like this team. I hope I like it more after we play the chickens from that slave holding state (they don’t talk about that part if their history) of Delaware!

Comment by SFPitt 11.22.12 @ 6:42 pm

I coached hs basketball off and on for 16 years. I have been a Pitt BBall fan for 40 plus years.
This is the best total group of Pitt players I have seen in a long time. Yes, we lost to a very good team and lost our poise a few times. It happens. Adams has a lot to learn and does not have the physical presence to match up with top talent…Ziegler is the real deal. JJ Moore is an animal and needs much more PT..Patterson looks good, Woodall a liability against quick talented guards but solid as a rock against non top 20 teams. Dante is better but still needs work. Robinson is a freak of nature and the best (and headiest) player on the team.

We are all going to have a lot of fun and the sky is the limit for this Pitt team!

Comment by Dan 72 11.22.12 @ 6:52 pm

I honestly don’t get the negativity. Saw some very good things and some room for improvement in several areas. I like what I see so far and think this team has a very high ceiling. Adams is clearly raw but will improve as things slow down for him. Patterson showed some signs of life and Zeigler did as well. One or two shots fall and a call or two go their way and this may have been a W. I am hoping to see some more inside out play. But overall, at this point in the season I was happy despite the loss. Big things ahead. H2P!.6

Comment by Carmen 11.22.12 @ 7:00 pm

After 24 hours I can give a less emotional response.

PITT will be fine this year. They are a legit top 15 team. We will surprise a few top ten teams in big east .

Expect us to make the sweet 16 as we have the talent. We simply need more experience.

I love Moore, Patterson, Robinson and Zanna. Typical PITT hard nosed guys. Tough to go against them in march.

Team seems hungry this year along with Dixon. That’s a great thing for us.

Adams needs a lot of work. A lot of work. Let me say it again. Adams needs a lot of work. Clearly he hasn’t faced this type of athleticism in talent in the KiWi nation. HE MUST GET AGGRESSIVE and stop letting folks take his lunch. Dixon must slowly give him more PT but he should watch for now. He isn’t ready

Comment by Pitt Fan in Atlanta 11.22.12 @ 9:44 pm

I watched in pure shock & amazement as Jamie Dixon & Company turned Gary McGhee into a forceful talent, who’s being paid to play basketball. Remember when GM picked up 3 PFs in one second against Thabeet & UConn, trying to spell Blair? Remember how GM couldn’t even catch a ball to save his live?

What I saw last night was a guy who isn’t nearly ready to play D-1 hoops, let alone in the NBA. But he has more natural ability & upside than McGhee. Adams will get there if he stays, they say big men are the slowest to develop.

But if Adams leaves early, then all bets are off

Comment by Imma Man! Im 40! 11.22.12 @ 10:57 pm

Michigan was using 3 OLs from their football team. There is no way Adams could survive that, let alone Sleepy.

Both must bulk up.

Comment by steve1 11.23.12 @ 8:30 am

Pitt missed a lot of easy shots in the second half of the game. Adams, Patterson and Robinson missed layups. I believe Zanna may have also missed one. Moore missed two short, open jumpers.

Plus the refs made one definite bad foul call near the end on a clear steal. They may have made another on slight touch by Patterson as the player was going, or may have already been, out of bounds.

Besides poor shooting, offensive rebounds hurt Pitt in the second half.

The team looked great in the first half.

Other than poor defense on Michigan’s last possession of the first half, Cam Wright played really well. I wonder why he didn’t play in the second half.

I see the athleticism in Adams. I saw the potential on a blocked three in the Oakland game. However if he is one and done somebody in The Association is taking a flyer.

Comment by Barvo 11.23.12 @ 8:41 am

IMHO James Robinson is the most impressive freshman to wear a PITT uniform in the last 20 years. Poise & confidence. Sees the entire floor & runs the offense like a senior. PITT played a nice game against Michigan. Team gaining confidence & learning to play w/each other. Need to follow up w/a win today against the Bluehens. Hail To PITT

Comment by DC33 11.23.12 @ 8:42 am

DC33 you are right on point with Robinson. I have never seen a Pitt freshman play with such poise. This young man is by far the best point guard on the team. When things shake out, Robinson and Zeigler will be the starting guards and Woodall will be coming off the bench. Woodall is too small and slow to guard two guards.

Comment by Floyd 11.23.12 @ 9:31 am

Things i think i know maybe, i have read every thind i could find on maryland and the ACC in the
last 3 days.
1 the acc will take its time on expansion they
are meeting on dec 1 and on dec 3.
they are thinking abought 2 teams who are not in the big east.
2 they are thinking to may be go to 16 teams
i dont know if that is 2 and holding a space for ND, or 3 and leaveing ND as bb only.

3 if they take just 1 to go to 14 and if it is some one from big east it will be L VILLE to keep
FS in line.
4 one of the teams not in big east might be penn state dont know this but there are hints.
5 could GEORGETOWN move up to div 1 in football.
who knows ?

Comment by FRANKCAN 11.23.12 @ 9:47 am

Adams has played in us for all of one year and in 5 meaningful d1 games. Also his first road game and on a big stage at that. Blair spoiled us. Adams is normal and there’s no reason to panic. Teams recognize that he’s getting acclimated to the game and he’s a bit indecisive. Again – normal. They’re attacking that to get him into foul trouble. He’ll adjust.

Comment by Ghost of Hornman 11.23.12 @ 9:58 am

I live in DC – impossible for G-Town to move up to D1. It would be like Carnegie Mellon trying to move up to D1. Very very small school.

If they go the G-Town route, it would be to add Navy for football only and G-Town for basketball only. It would be harmonious for both because Navy would not want to compete in the ACC for basketball and G-Town couldn’t in football.

L’Ville is probably the choice but I still think they should at least reach out to PSU to gauge interest. PSU would have to sacrifice a lot but if they joined and it was a catalyst to ND joining full time, ESPN would be in a position to re-look at the conference contract.

Don’t underestimate ESPN’s influence in college football here. ESPN has a vested interest in the ACC and will not just sit around and let it get ripped apart from the SEC (CBS) or Big 10 (FOX).

Comment by Tossing Thabeets 11.23.12 @ 10:24 am

Zeigler cannot shoot at all. Seen him miss the rim on fts in the summer and he just nipped it against Oakland. He can only drive and when teams pack it in he is useless.
He is the weak link (IMO).
JD I think is limited in his ability to coach up the centers. He also is too damned stubborn.

Comment by frankarms 11.23.12 @ 10:51 am

Tossing Thabeets i know espn is screwing them selves if we stay under paid.
if acc should go to 15 and with ND giveing us 5 games then espn has to review the tv contract it
is writen that if there are changes they have to revist the deal.
so would that be enough to get ACC UP TO 24 MILLON
per team.
if it were Penn state and L VILLE yes.
if L VILLE and just the 5 games with ND most
likley not unlees they just want to bring us up to par with every one else to save them selves
becuse the ACC IS ESPN.

Comment by FRANKCAN 11.23.12 @ 11:06 am

Pitt got beat by the better team and no shame in that. The younger guys will benefit from playing in this tourney and against quality opponents. Don’t overlook this Delaware team this afternoon. They beat a decent Virginia team and nearly beat K State. This Pitt B-ball team is easy to root for and fun to watch. Why can’t football be this way?

Comment by TX Panther 11.23.12 @ 11:41 am

Still too early in the season around here with all the football-centric fans making wacky comments. Players that were floated as transfer candidates only a month ago are suddenly saviors. And every game, coach’s comment, decision, etc. is suddenly calling into question the status of the program. Hopefully this type of crap will get weeded out at some point.

A few comments to offer as things to look for going forward:

-Adams seems to have a few problems to work on. First and foremost is committing stupid fouls. That’s obvious. Another is that when he is getting fed on balls he is taking too much time to make a decision. He needs to read the situation faster and turn and shoot or kick out in a more timely fashion. He looked a little behind the speed of the game. The defense doubles down on him and the longer he waits to decide, the more chance they could steal or tie him up. And the more time he gives the other defensive players to re-calibrate their coverage… Lastly, he needs to turn on the killer instinct. Needs to put himself into beast mode. He can’t let the fouls get into his head and become passive on the boards. He’s got some ways to go with that but his physical skills will not be worth a dime if he can’t light the fire inside.

-As if responding to popular demand, Dixon played both Zanna and Moore at the same time. Zanna switched to center and Moore stayed at power forward. It will be interesting to see if he did that because Adams wasn’t dependable or in foul trouble, or if this is a usable combo going forward.

-Just as we saw last year, desperate times call for desperate measures. Late in the second half Pitt switched to a 2-3 zone. Dixon played a bit of possum with Beilein after a couple of time outs switching and then sticking with zone. But then he kept it on for a few minutes longer. It seemed like it was pretty effective- at least as a change up from man. Wonder if we will see more of it.?.?.

-I’m not completely sure if Dixon knows when to use JJ Moore or not. In both the Michigan and Oakland games it seems he was holding him back until it was nearly too late in Oakland game and it was too late vs. Michigan. JJ’s an inconsistent shooter but I just think he’s a weapon that needs to be on the floor if we are down late in the game.

-The crowd was overwhelmingly Michigan on Wednesday night. That SUCKED. But Oakland Zoo made some noise. They did a great job. Sucks that they didn’t have the bands for this tournament.

Headed out for lunch and the game soon.

Comment by SilverPanther in NYC 11.23.12 @ 11:56 am

Generally, Moore does need to be on the floor more and so does Zeigler. He needs more opportunity to get into the flow of the game. If this comes at the expense of Durand Johnson seeing more playing time, then so be it.

And a more concerted effort needs to be made to get the ball to Adams early in the game today, get him some looks, maybe make a shot or two and gain some confidence. I suspect that some time in the next 3-4 games Adams is going to have a “breakout” kind of game where he puts up 14-16 points, has a bunch of blocks and rebounds. Of course, the upcoming schedule is pretty weak, so that scenario is more likely, but it will still be important to happen so that Adams can begin to gain some confidence and make meaningful contributions.

Comment by Carmen 11.23.12 @ 12:09 pm

That little chuck it up bunny shot of Adam’s has to stop too…he needs to go strong to the hoop and dunk. He only dunks when he’s alone under the basket. Let him draw fouls…

I also agree that they need to feed Adams inside. He should be instructed to score if one guys on him….if two guys are on him he needs to find and feed the open man. Should be simple enough for him to understand that.

Comment by Jackagain 11.23.12 @ 12:31 pm

Zeigler looks like a player that is used to playing w/the ball more & when Moore is on the floor he plays his best when he lets the game come to him. JJ usually has a shot in the air w/in 30 seconds of hitting the floor. Both have nice size. I agree, it would be nice to run the offense through Adams/center position

Comment by DC33 11.23.12 @ 12:35 pm

Also, i wasn’t overly impressed w/Michigan. Nice guards but thats all. PITT did not adjust to 1-3-1 & shooting went cold. PITT should have won. (How many times in my life have i said that mostly regarding football)

Comment by DC33 11.23.12 @ 12:39 pm

Anyone know what time the Delaware game is?Channel?

Comment by Dan 72 11.23.12 @ 12:41 pm

2:30, ESPN

Comment by steve1 11.23.12 @ 1:18 pm

chryst makes 1,750,000 per year TG made 2 million.
so i guess we did go cheap.

Comment by FRANKCAN 11.23.12 @ 2:09 pm

The Penn Stater’s are probably thinking this:

They’re going to get stuck playing Maryland & Rutgers probably more than the others. Since they are the ‘Easern Wing’ of the conf. Plus PSU had pretty much the exclusive big 10 recruiting rights in NJ & MD & NY. Now they are going to have 2 more big 10 schools that will be sharing that 3 state talent. And if you read that article on Grantland I linked, you saw that there aren’t that many D1 players coming out of NJ, NY & MD. Well that 3 state pie, just got sliced into 3 slices. They can’t be too happy about that as well.

Also Penn State is probably going to be scheduled annually against both Rutgers & Maryland, as the conf. prolly sees them playing in larger off campus venues when RU & MD had the home game.
So that means two less games against maybe quality opponents, Wisconsin maybe, Michigan maybe, Mich State maybe, Nebraska maybe, and maybe even Ohio State.

So you take all this and the $100 million dollar fine the big 10 imposed on PSU and the feeling of being a big 10 step child all these years and…..
who knows.

Comment by Emel 11.23.12 @ 2:28 pm

Emel, I think anything is possible, but with the big 10 talking $40M per team in the future it is not likey they make the move to the ACC. Their scheduling will actually be worse then you state for teams in the other side of the Big 10. For example, it is possible that they will play Mich once every six years (once every 12 at PSU)

Comment by HbgFrank 11.23.12 @ 3:38 pm

what the ACC needs to do is have off the books talk with espn you know one of thoes that never happend kind of talk.
it would go someting like this how mutch will you pay per team if i get penn state.what can i tell they they will get if they come to the acc 24 million a year good and we never talked ok.

Comment by FRANKCAN 11.23.12 @ 3:46 pm

I think i know how to explain it kentucky or
u conn or L ville get 1 or 2 super stars and the coach makes the team fit in with the super star
were if dixon gets a super star he makes the super star fit in with the team.
that is why they win titles and go to final 4 and we dont.
they build the team around the super star
and we make the super star blend in with the team
that is why players like KB will go to outher teams.
becuse with out one or two super stars who can take over games you will never win it all.

Comment by FRANKCAN 11.23.12 @ 6:08 pm

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