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November 2, 2012

Needless Distractions

Filed under: Football,Players,Police Blotter,Scandal — Chas @ 8:28 am

UPDATE: Pitt has issued a statement on the players situation, it is below the fold.

Really not much that can say about the assault charges that are filed against Devin Street, Ray Graham and Lafayette Pitts. I won’t outright call them a load of bull, but let’s just say there doesn’t seem to be much meat to the charges.

Pittsburgh police wrote in a criminal complaint that they were working an overtime detail early on Oct. 21 when they tried to disperse a crowd from the intersection of Oakland Avenue and Bates Street and three people remained in the roadway.

One those people, Karl Olsheski, told police he had just been assaulted. He refused medical treatment and said he did not want to file a report, he just wanted officers to stop the man who had punched him, according to the criminal complaint.

In an interview with police, Mr. Olsheski said he was walking in Oakland with two women when Mr. Graham stopped him, said, “What’s up?” and uttered a racial slur. Mr. Olsheski said that he replied “nothing” and tried to leave but Mr. Graham, Mr. Street and Mr. Pitts surrounded him and then Mr. Street slugged him on the left side of the head, according to the criminal complaint.

The players are being mailed their summons to appear. It is simple assault and conspiracy. The stories do not make clear how the three were identified or whether they were detained at the incident. They were not and will not be arrested in connection to the charges. They haven’t even received notice that they are being charged, since the summons are being mailed to them.

It doesn’t really add up. None of the players have been in trouble before. It seems that whatever happened that night, the police report did not involve detaining or interviewing Street, Pitts and Graham so it is only the version from the victim. So, it makes it appear that the three randomly targeted and surrounded a guy for abuse. Uh, what? And, I have to believe that if an athlete with the size and strength of Street actually “slugged” someone in the head, it would leave some sort of mark.

I don’t see how they get suspended for this, but who knows. This is Chryst’s first public incident involving team discipline. The previous incidents at the start of the season involved “violations of team rules” to keep everyone in the dark. He may feel that he has to do something.

Something the players, coaches and team didn’t need.

UPADATE: Pitt has issued a statement. Street, Graham and Pitts traveled with the team and will play on Saturday. There’s the boilerplate “we are still gathering facts”  and “no rush to judgment” stuff. The statement also confirms that the police have yet to interview the players, so this whole thing will very likely fade to nothingness.

“The University of Pittsburgh Athletic Department was recently made aware of a police report relating to an incident allegedly involving three of our football student-athletes on October 21. Those individuals have denied any involvement with the situation and have offered to speak with authorities, although to date they have not been questioned or received any court documents. We take matters of player discipline very seriously and will continue to cooperate with any investigation. However, we will not, and hope others will not, rush to judgment on these misdemeanor allegations. All three players will remain active members of our program while we gain more clarity on this situation.”

Also like the subtlety of pointing out that even the charges amount to misdemeanors. Not exactly hard crime stuff.





Too early and too little info to pass judgment one way or another – from a legal side. As for the the football side, Coach has to do what he feels is best for the team. The team this Saturday, as well as the team going forward. Either way, this will be an interesting look into how Coach wants to run this program.

Maybe I missed it, but how do you conclude that the alleged victim had no mark on his head?

Comment by Ghost of Pete Gonzalez 11.02.12 @ 8:53 am

I got my power back on…
wow the devasatation just 15 min away from me…

anyway.. Chryst needs to do some due diligence…
but.. he needs to suspend all 3…
This happened Oct. 21… what took so long for it to come out???

Comment by Joe D 11.02.12 @ 8:57 am

@Joe D.

Why does Chryst need to suspend all 3, or even 1?
Not a rhetorical question.

Comment by sfpitt 11.02.12 @ 9:06 am

need to get all the facts before they suspend a kid before the biggest game of his life. sounds like a sketchy story at best

Comment by mike 11.02.12 @ 9:11 am

sfpitt…
sounds similar to what happened at 1st game with Shell, etc…. it was a group of them that got into a scuffle of sorts at Burger King or some fast food place.

My big question… this is 10 days later and coming out??
Why didn’t the 3 tell Chryst 10 days ago…
anyway…
need to make an example with the 3 starters… otherwise it is Wanny all over again.

Comment by Joe D 11.02.12 @ 9:34 am

I assumed Chas meant a mark on the pavement. ;-)

Comment by KeithS 11.02.12 @ 9:45 am

Joe D
10 days later in Pgh is an eternity. Pitt draws attn; and legit reports spread like wildfire, aka Sheard tossing some jerk thru a window.
Burger Kings have independant witnsseses.
I don’t know if the 3 told Chryst or not.
I am not a fan of making people “examples”. I am a fan of facts and justice.
If facts come close to criminal activity, then I agree. But assertions in a late filed, then mailed complaint aren’t facts.
I sit with the 3 and any violation of team rules occurred, then I punish consistent with previously outlined rules. If assaults are confirmed (and I think you are allowed to trust your players to tell you the truth) then you suspend.
If they lie about it, then you kick them off.
But if they aren’t lying, and right now, Chryst has to be the judge, then they have full player privileges.

Comment by sfpitt 11.02.12 @ 9:48 am

If it was a “bully” type incident…
it doesn’t have to reach the level of criminal..
it would then be violation of team rules..
and suspension should occur..

10 days later… and Chryst doesn’t know anything?? smells..
treating starters different than backups…
Wanny all over again.

Comment by Joe D 11.02.12 @ 9:55 am

Chryst and Pitt Admin obviously knew this was coming. They’ve had time to decide how best to deal with it.

There would seem to be a possibility that only Street will be subject to immmediate disciplinary action since he is the only one alleged to have thrown a punch. However, my bet is that Chryst announces right before kick off that all three will not play.

Don’t think Chryst really has much of a choice given that all three were actually charged.

Keep in mind that authorities apparently have witness testimony from the two women reported to be in the company of the alleged victim. And there’s also the possibility of additional witnesses since it appears there was a “crowd” in the vincinity of where all this allegedly occurred.

Not good.

Comment by PittofDreams 11.02.12 @ 9:56 am

Presumed innocent until …lets not jump to conclusions. Oct 20th was our game AT Buffalo. Where they back already that night (early SUN)? The delay in filing the complaint doesn’t mean the players didn’t report it timely to Coach Chryst. If the “victim” was seriously injured, it would probably be Agg Assault. I doubt you will see suspensions for the ND game, unless there is more to this. If no injuries to victim, and IF one or more players are culpable, then it will probably result in a summary DC at the magistrate. not making excuses. We don’t need any more Fulmer Cup pts.

Comment by Bossdaws 11.02.12 @ 9:59 am

Joe D, You should direct your question regarding the time-lapsed mailing of the summons to the appropriate police authority. While Chryst may be chastised for his recruiting abilities, he has ZERO control over the wheels of jurisprudence.

Comment by ECH 11.02.12 @ 10:00 am

@ghost – I would have to assume that if there were any kind of mark, bruise, or cut on the guy, then an arrest would have been made. That’s usually an automatic. It sounds like the only evidence at this point is the claim of the alleged victim.

If this actually happened, then I’d be the first to say that all three should be thrown out of school. However, I agree with others that the whole thing sounds a bit fishy. The Trib article says that none of the 3 people involved were able to identify all three players from photos, but each was able to identify one of them. That sounds a bit too convenient. Why do three guys who have everything going for them and who haven’t been in trouble before suddenly decide to randomly attack a stranger on campus? It’s certainly not unheard of, but seems hard to beleive – unless enough alcohol was invloved, I guess. Still, this seems like either complete BS or there’s more to the story.

Off the topic – the one guy said he knew Street from a class they took on Vampires. There’s a real comment on our educational system. College students can’t write or do math anymore, but we’ll at least make sure they know how to deal with the undead…

Comment by SteveS 11.02.12 @ 10:08 am

Some of you sound like Pedo State…
Innocent until proven guilty…

that is not the standard for player suspension…
the standard is violation of team rules to merit a suspension… and it sounds like it met the standard!!!
I agree with Pitt of Dreams analysis..

Comment by Joe D 11.02.12 @ 10:09 am

Not sure the “starters vs backups” argument applies — obviously these are 3 of the team’s best players, but the opening game suspensions involved some starters and and extremely-highly touted recruit. That said, it’s possible the first suspensions were made because of the opponent involved (though we saw how that turned out).

Frankly, though, this all sucks. The rumors of this involving Street’s ex makes the charges seem more plausible unfortunately. Even if it was simple bullying/harassment, if there was any physical contact you’d assume there’d be a suspension for all involved.

Comment by JW 11.02.12 @ 10:11 am

steves..
Perhaps you don’t know…
but Ray Graham is Big Man on Campus… so if he saw some women he was interested in.. well… he goes for it!!!
And since multiple women… enough for the other 2… typically bully manuever..

Comment by Joe D 11.02.12 @ 10:12 am

link to espn.go.com

None of the 3 victims could positively identify the faces of all 3 Pitt players that were charged. As a group they identified all 3.

Comment by Kenny Powers 11.02.12 @ 10:13 am

Sounds more like the person who got hit didn’t want charges pressed, yet the police are making an issue of it. Also sounds like Street was upset that his ex-girl friend was with the guy and hit hit him upside his head ala NCIS! Try a public apology and all items will be dropped.

Comment by markp 11.02.12 @ 10:25 am

BTW, for those golden doomers…Pitt wore gold helmets before ND!

Comment by markp 11.02.12 @ 10:33 am

@SteveS, best comment I’ve seen in awhile. paraphrased, “can’t write or do math but at least they’ll be able to deal with the undead”.

LMAO.

Comment by Dan 11.02.12 @ 10:33 am

Joe D,

I’ll respectfully disagree that with your statement that Chryst treats backups differently than starters. He’s already proven that he doesn’t.

Ezell was a starter and he was suspended for the YSU game. Shell was also suspended and while he’s technically not a “starter”, it’s pretty safe to assume he likely would’ve seen playing time that day.

And even before the “Suspended Six” incident occurred, he suspended Juantez Hollins for the year for violations of team rules. Hollins was in the mix for a starting job on the offensive line.

Comment by Stoosh 11.02.12 @ 10:33 am

For all the verbal abuse Tino has taken, at least he hasn’t embarrassed the University by taking part in or being accused of any childish behavior like this.

These guys have to know, if you go out, you can get in trouble real easy. I know they are only teen to early 20′s, but they have a great free education and an opportunity to play in the pro’s and they ruin their rep’s over doing something stupid. Even if they didn’t end up doing anything but throwing an insult, that’s what people will think of first when they hear Graham, Stree, and Pitts.

Comment by AJ 11.02.12 @ 10:35 am

Yeah, I’m not sure whether to be more embarrassed over the fact that the incident happened or that Pitt offers a class on VAMPIRES in the curriculum that athletes take. I guess it’s better than at Chapel hill where they just make up classes for people NOT to attend.

Comment by Spartan Panther Fan 11.02.12 @ 10:36 am

Another embarrassment. Vampire class….. Fights 10 days before big game. Get rid of all of them and start a real program. F ing ridiculous. Just putting ourself in that position is half the issue. To the poster about Tino. You are 100 % correct. He never has been in the media for any nonsense.

Comment by Upittbaseball 11.02.12 @ 10:38 am

Who appointed Joe D as Prosecuting Attorney?? From where did he receive his law degree?? Seems to this writer that once again a few individuals desire to get their names before the public. No, I am NOT referring to the gridders. Of course, the media fans the flames! If I may suggest, the Pitt officials should withold judgement until afer the facts are in and the court has officially commented. If that, indeed is not till Jan.9, so be it. Rev. Dr. George Mehaffey, Columbus, Ohio

Comment by Rev. George Mehaffey 11.02.12 @ 10:39 am

From the ESPN article:

“each player was recognized by at least one, including Mitchell who recognized Street from a class they took together on vampires.”

A class on vampires? WTF? Vampires 101?

IDK, this seems to be pretty tame and the guy didn’t even want to press charges initially. Two sides to every story too. It would be interesting to find out if there were any other witnesses. I’m not doubting that these 3 players might have been a little cocky and maybe even bullying, but this still sounds like it might be much ado about very little to me. Investigation needs to be completed and with the court date not until Jan.9th, it should not impact their ability to play. If these were more serious charges and there was evidence that the alleged victim was hurt, I’d say the players should be suspended until more information was obtained about the incident.

Comment by Panther Pride 11.02.12 @ 10:41 am

link to updates.deadspin.com

Here is the link to the story … fantastic.

Comment by Tossing Thabeets 11.02.12 @ 10:43 am

Class description:

This course examines the phenomenon of vampirism in verbal and visual texts from different time periods in various cultures (Russia, Poland, France, England, America). Why do vampires capture the imagination especially of Anglophone readers? What qualities does the vampire incarnate? Which historical events and customs have triggered particular enthusiasm for depicting the undead? How have the depictions of the vampire evolved over centuries? Our discussions will address these issues as we analyze stories, novels, and films focusing on vampires from a variety of critical perspectives, contextualizing the works in the cultures that produced them.

Comment by Tossing Thabeets 11.02.12 @ 10:45 am

Pedo state comparison? simple assault with no apparent injuries to a series of child rapes? Please. Legit pt on team suspensions vs. criminal prosecutions, but if our justice system relied on newspaper reports as evidence there would be no justice. A game at ND is huge for a college player and before you suspend you must give these young men the benefit of the doubt, as in presumed innocent. I trust Coach Chryst will be fair with these 3. Or if nothing else, they can switch sides and play for Alan Pinkett’s “we need more criminals” Notre Dame on Sat. HTP

Comment by Bossdaws 11.02.12 @ 10:48 am

What was the racial slur? Whitey? Honky? Cracker? We need details people! Seriously though, this doesn’t even sound as bad as the Lucas Nix screen door incident and that was a mail summons too. If anything I’d sit them for a quarter or the first half, that’s it.

Comment by Kenny Powers 11.02.12 @ 10:59 am

I’ve heard from a few people that know Ray Graham that they can’t imagine him behaving in this manner, particularly with regards to the charge of a racial epithet.

I think Chryst talks to these 3 to get their stories. If anything even smells of an assault (even if they claim they didn’t provoke the incident), then he probably suspends them. I think it is also very possible that all three have a story that is very different from what is in the police report, possibly even a full denial. If that is the case, no suspension until more facts come out.

Comment by Pantherman13 11.02.12 @ 10:59 am

Anthony Covington decommitts…
18 so far…

Comment by Joe D 11.02.12 @ 11:00 am

yes kenny powers…
I said the same thing… racial slut to a white guy??? lol

Comment by Joe D 11.02.12 @ 11:01 am

Horrible timing for the charges to come out. If this was Temple, the guys would play. But playing a number 3 ranked ND, the national media is all over this. I doubt ESPN would put this on their front page if this was another Big East game. No win suspending or playing them. I wouldn’t want to be in Chryst shoes right now.

My gut is they won’t play. Pitt admin won’t want the national media playing Pitt has a “Rogue Football Program”. The Sport Illustrated article is still in their head. This is my take on situation.

Comment by why me 11.02.12 @ 11:02 am

NEWS FLASH! People lie. And to Kenny Powers, it prolly was “What’s up n***a?”

Comment by Timmeh 11.02.12 @ 11:03 am

The story just sounds so fishy to me. The witnesses couldn’t even pick out all three players who were supposedly involved. It sounds to me like “Oh hey the guy who punched me was the black guy from my Vampire class.”

Also even if it was true, why would all three players be suspended when only one person punched the guy.

As everyone is well aware, I’m not a Chryst supporter. However, saying that he treats starters differently is a bunch of BS. He sat 6 players for the first game, which helped lead to a loss. Mind you these players weren’t charged with anything, which meant he could have done nothing and no one would have know.

BTW, I took the vampire class when I was at Pitt, the professor is pretty wild. You had to read a bunch of vampire stuff and watch vampire movies. Not the hardest class in the world, but some people thought it was too much work and was hard.

Comment by Wardapalooza 11.02.12 @ 11:03 am

if they did it they are a horses ass they should grow the fuck up.

Comment by FRANKCAN 11.02.12 @ 11:04 am

The apparent existence of multiple witnesses tells me we’re going to see a whole lot of Shell and Bennett starting tomorrow… more passes to Saddler and a possible reimergence of Brinson… and I don’t know who in place of Pitts.

This looks like a game that’s really going to have to be put on Tino’s back!

Comment by PittofDreams 11.02.12 @ 11:05 am

Another person I don’t want to be tomorrow, Tino Sunseri. If Street and Graham don’t play, that young man will be feeling pretty rough getting out of bed Sunday morning. All preparation for the game is thrown out the window. ND will send the house on every freakin down. Oline better be ready to play.

Comment by why me 11.02.12 @ 11:13 am

Some of us can remember in 1982 when Notre Dame led by the very undistinguished coach Gerry Faust upset the then top-ranked, Dan Marino-led Pitt Panthers, 31–16. Notre Dame was 6-4-1 that year. I think that was more improbable than Pitt beating Notre Dame this year. Not saying it will happen but it could.

Comment by Houston Panther 11.02.12 @ 11:16 am

Nickle dimers, call DelGreco.

Comment by alcofan 11.02.12 @ 11:18 am

The one girl was a ex girlfriend. This was random until he saw his ex girlfriend.

Comment by Upittbaseball 11.02.12 @ 11:20 am

In light of everything going on… I’m quickly transforming into a BIG TINO BACKER.

Think you can expect him to have a really big performance tmorrow.

The one thing we know about Tino, just as everyone thinks he can’t pull it off… he loves to prove everybody wrong.

With the loss of Mason, all the other injuries… and now this… tomorrow’s game is being set up as an All-TIME PITT CLASSIC!!

I say “Why not?”

Comment by PittofDreams 11.02.12 @ 11:36 am

If the conduct violates team rules and if the violation of those rules call for suspension, then suspension it is.
But if so, which game?
The comparison to PSU is foolish. 10 days of ostensible knowledge compared to 14 years; a mailed complaint of a misdeamnor versus statory rapes. No comparison whatsoever.
Get the players version before you do anything. Facts are important in my world. Finding them is difficult sometimes.

Comment by sfpitt 11.02.12 @ 11:49 am

Frankcan’s response made my day!
As much as it sucks to say it, I think the 3 will miss this game. Just cant see Chryst or the administration allowing this.
That being said, and as much as Ray Graham has done for Pitt, if he doesn’t play, I will be excited to see Shell be #1 for the whole game. I keep getting this vision of Jerome Bettis truckin Urlacher at the goal line in the ’05-’06 season. And nothing, short of a Pitt win, would make me happier than seeing Te’o picking himself up after Shell beasts him into the endzone.

Comment by Big Bill 11.02.12 @ 11:49 am

I understand and glad the Pittsburgh Police did their job. Not giving special treatment to athletes or celebrities. But I wonder if South Bend, State College, or any SEC school law enforcement officers would summon players two nights before their biggest game of the year. I’m glad our police did their job but I have a feeling those other locations would let things sit on their desk until Monday morning.

Comment by why me 11.02.12 @ 11:58 am

“I felt secure in the campus and felt wanted by Wisconsin and could become a better person.”

Corey Clement, Wisconsin Runningback Commit.

Funny. I believe this is the same campus where Star Runningback Monte Ball was mugged and beaten by a group of guys on the way home.

Hey Corey. Hope you enjoy the winters in Madison.

Next.

Comment by PittofDreams 11.02.12 @ 12:04 pm

Pantherlair (Chris Peak) is reporting that Pitt issued a statement..
The 3 denied being involved…
They will not be suspended until investigation… and that won’t start until they get a summons which is in the mail!!
LMAO
Media is going to have a ball with this one!!

Comment by Joe D 11.02.12 @ 12:16 pm

Here’s the statement:

link to pittsburghpanthers.com

Comment by Stoosh 11.02.12 @ 12:23 pm

NBC will make this an issue every time Graham and Street touches the ball. NBC has a huge stake in ND staying undefeated. They will make it out Pitt will do anything to knock ND out of the National Title picture. That means playing criminals.

Comment by why me 11.02.12 @ 12:34 pm

why me…
yep.. the national media will eat this up!!
They aren’t PG and Trib… ask PSU…
Bad move by Pitt in my opinion.

Comment by Joe D 11.02.12 @ 12:42 pm

Street has released an official statement on the charges:

“After the first midterm, I had an odd aversion to garlic and crosses … therefore playing at Notre Dame was not an option. Hmmm, how do I get out of this … aha, assault charges should do the trick.”

Comment by Tossing Thabeets 11.02.12 @ 12:43 pm

Good move by Pitt not suspending the three players. If the players have a half decent lawyer, this should not be a problem for them. Wonder if the police were being a bit over zealous just because they were Pitt football players.

Comment by John In South Carolina 11.02.12 @ 12:51 pm

People are worried about NBC talking about our players during the game? Hahhahaha. This game will be a three hour paid program to get Te’o the Heisman. This is the WWF equivalent of the Ultimate Warrior vs. Duane Gill in the eyes of the media.

Play the guys so, play to win the game, and suspend them against UConn if we must.

Comment by AJ 11.02.12 @ 1:02 pm

@JoeD – I haven’t lived in Pittburgh for some time, so no, I didn’t know that Graham was the “big man on campus” who is going to “go for it” whenever he sees a woman that he wants. However, I’ve never heard anyone characterize the guy that way except you. So, maybe that’s the case, but you’ll forgive me if I don’t simply take your word for it. If you’re going to call someone a thug in public, then you should have some evidence to back it up – do you?

BTW – the PSU comparison is completely idiotic.

Comment by SteveS 11.02.12 @ 1:02 pm

steves…
I didn’t call Graham a thug…
Big Man on Campus has it’s own meaning…

Comparison to PSU… all the PSU supporters did not like the NCAA sanctions, etc… they wanted due process to occur before sanctions, etc… no interview of Paterno, etc… just used the Freeh report.

That is the comparison to Pedo State… everyone wants “due process” to occur… guess what… Chyrst doesn’t have to wait out criminal court to issue sanctions. It is a different standard to sit a game!!!

Comment by Joe D 11.02.12 @ 1:07 pm

Breaking News: Many college football players do not go to college to get an education.

@joeD
I read that Covington did not decommit, his scholly was pulled.

Comment by CNorwoodAZ 11.02.12 @ 1:08 pm

cnorwoodaz…
why was Covington scholly pulled???
He was one of the later commits.. I think 17th?
Chryst did this to several of the 2012 class..

Comment by Joe D 11.02.12 @ 1:23 pm

Program reminder, Panther hoops tonight, if you can’t be there its on Panther TV.

Comment by alcofan 11.02.12 @ 1:35 pm

@AJ, ha ha ha, absolutely!!! I would bet a chocolate chip cookie or two this whole episode isn’t even mentioned!!

Ok, maybe to start the game, but, it will just be to let people know who is starting and who isn’t.

This is exceptionally very, very, small potatoes nationally. Nothing more than a blurb or a byline.

In a demented way, I wish this was some big huge story. It would mean Pitt was probably 8-0, ranked in the top 5, and playing to get into the BCS championship.

Would also mean, we’ve had a top 10 team for years and in the national spot light of games just about every weekend.

There is no one at a Notre Dame bar in South Bend even talking about this or even know about it.

Unless a couple faithful Pitt fans stopped in, and are talking about it amongst themselves.

Comment by Dan 11.02.12 @ 1:50 pm

I dunno Dan, it was the second headline on ESPN.com’s front page. That’s probably the number 1 sports website in the world so it’s definitely out there nationally

Comment by Kenny Powers 11.02.12 @ 1:55 pm

Ah Chas the maximum penalty of a misdemeanor of the first degree which is what these fools are charged with is 5 years in state correctional facility and a $10,000 fine. I do consider that serious!
However, you are correct that this will be resolved either by a plea to one summary count of disorderly conduct ($300 fine and / or 90 days in county) or withdrawn in its entirety.
The real question is why the hell are the leaders of this team constantly getting themselves into criminal trouble year in and year out?

Comment by Marco 11.02.12 @ 2:19 pm

@ Wardapalooza, You say that you took the Vampire class at Pitt, is it true it was a three hour class held twice a week? No wonder why students feel this class SUCKS! Get it? vampires, 3 hr class, that sucks. Geez, sometimes I feel I should be getting paid for this stuff.

Comment by Dr. Tom 11.02.12 @ 2:29 pm

Surprise… Relief… ?

Here’s a clip from the Pitt Press Release on the decision to allow all three Street, Graham, and Pitts to remain active.

“These individuals have denied any involvement with the situation and have offered to speak with authorities, although to date they have not been questioned or received any court documents,” the university statement said.” – Tribune Review

How is it that the players are considered charged without having been questioned by police?

Bungling by the cops? A convenient loophole? A whole lot about nothin’?

As the Pitt Turns!

Comment by PittofDreams 11.02.12 @ 2:31 pm

Ya, but, it’s gone allready. Just a blurb on the side.

Not arguing with you, just throwing this out there.

Will it be on ESPN’s sportscenter between the 6 and 7 pm hour???

You make a good point, but websites go over a ton more information than the tv news shows. If you look at ESPN and Fox sports or others, their headlines and blurbs are constantly changing.

Maybe you’re right.

I will have sportcenter on, (not to check on this), just because I’ll have it on.

I’ll be suprised to see it mentioned during prime time sportcenter. I will report on this. I don’t care one way or another.

I just think it’s a non story other than to us, and maybe some Notre Dame fans, because they happen to be playing us this week.

example. Say Cal Bears are playing Oregon this weekend (maybe they are???), and a couple of Cal players got in a fight a couple of weeks ago.

Who cares???? Some people at Cal, some fans of Cal, who else????

Again, not arguing, good point, I may be totally wrong. Websites publish everything though.

Maybe I should have been more clear.

I mean this, as, is this story going to be talked about for 5 minutes or more on the 6-7, 11-12 Sportscenters tonight??? Is this going to be a big story on “Gameday” tomorrow morning???

Yes, it made the news. So did a female UCONN soccer player getting in a fender bender the other day too. (yes, I saw it on the side bar).

I mean, is this really gonna make the “NEWS”???

Comment by Dan 11.02.12 @ 2:32 pm

IF and i say IF they did it that is high school stuff
and for being that stupid and risking there college as well as pro future they will deserive
what they get.
that is what happens when they think with the wrong head.
and for the outher 2 to risk everything for that
is even worse.
dont the coachs talk to these kids abought how the should handle them selves.
this IF true is the kind of thing that got wanny fired.
and so child like no reason for this grow the fuck up if true.

Comment by FRANKCAN 11.02.12 @ 2:34 pm

Dan its still on my espn web page. But now No. 3

Comment by alcofan 11.02.12 @ 2:42 pm

Here is another way to look at it: Maybe it’s better to have three of your stars suspended for a game “you’re not going to win anyway” and get them back for the three games that could make or break your season. Just sayin’

Comment by Atlanta Panther 11.02.12 @ 2:44 pm

Why would this guy and witnesses ID these three particular players? Why not Tino (that would be great!), Ray G., and Aaron Donald? Unless you assume the kid got payed by an ND operative…who was doing some good early planning on 10/21 — and do they really worry about Pitt this year? — it seems very strange he would make a false accusation and then not press charges…on 10/21? Sounds like three rowdy, maybe drunk, dudes were jealous and bullied some guy with two female friends — gosh, I’ve never seen that before…especially on a college campus.

Comment by Matt N. 11.02.12 @ 2:46 pm

Wanny got fired because he couldn’t win the big games but generally had a good track record with player behavior. If Chryst beats the Domers, all will be forgotten. Kids do stupid things. This to me appears to be a minor incident if even true. I’m more interested in the class on Vampires.

Comment by TX Panther 11.02.12 @ 2:47 pm

I hear what you’re saying Dan, and don’t disagree, it’s not going to be a huge talking point nationally even though it’s getting some website exposure. But I do agree with what someone said about the NBC announcing crew making mention of it, especially if Pitt is competitive in the game. Like if it’s the 3rd quarter and Graham scores a TD to cut the lead to 3, I can envision the crew making comments about how perhaps he should’ve been suspended…yada yada, if Notre dame had this issue we would’ve suspended them…yada yada.

The Irish love their holier than thou attitude so that’s why I see them playing it up. If were playing WVU or Louisville or anyone else, it’d be much to do about nothing.

Comment by Kenny Powers 11.02.12 @ 2:49 pm

Make fun of Wanny — and I couldn’t stand his game calls — but he did suspend a fair number of guys…his issue was apparently not screening them carefully in the first place.

Comment by Matt N. 11.02.12 @ 2:50 pm

I just read the updated ESPN article and quite frankly, this is an embarrassment. PItt is an an accredited University and a member of the prestigious American Association of Universities. We are headed to the ACC, a conference which prides itself on academics as much if not more-so than athletics. Twenty five percent of our incoming freshman class had SAT scores higher than 1310. We have turned out numerous Marshall and Rhodes Scholars. And we offer classes on vampires. Wonderful.

Comment by Atlanta Panther 11.02.12 @ 2:54 pm

Hey Kenny, I know how it could become a bigger story, if ya know what I mean????

That’s a funny shaped ball, it bounces oddly sometimes.

As I’m typing this, I also see it made the MSN website, on it’s rotating stories. If you’re familiar, they ususally have 7. They keep moving and you can click on 1/7, 2/7, 3/7 etc. etc.

Maybe more noteworthy than I thought. I’m embarrassed to say (not that I may be wrong, I’m wrong lots of times, but, at least I do admit it),
that MSN has it as “3 Pitt football players involved in assault”, and I took some joy in the fact that MSN is using “Pitt”, not “Pittsburgh”!!

LMAO.

Yes, it is embarrassing, and this might be a cliche, no, it is a cliche, but true, these things happen at every school.

Doesn’t make it right, absolutely not, but the fact is, it does.

I don’t know what coaches can do about it. I would bet a million bucks, that Coach Chryst and all of the other coaches tell these kids almost everyday, “stay in, study for your classes, study the playbook, play computer games, go to the gym, watch tv, don’t be going out and drinking especially late at night”.

I know some coaches at small little div 2 and div 3 schools, and they tell their kids, to stay in and stay away from trouble, these are schools with no spot light.

Not condoning it, can’t stand it, but, what can be done?

Coach Chryst allready kicked a guy off the team, suspended 6 players at the beginning of the season, they know there are consequences. I don’t know what I’d do if in their shows. Micro chip them all so you know where they’re at??? LOL

Comment by Dan 11.02.12 @ 3:18 pm

I wanted to see if my “happens everywhere” was really true, or just an off hand comment of mine.

Again, not condoning in any way, shape or form. I’m the opposite, I’m probably quicker to jump on the players for being stupid, than taking their side on innocence.

However, I had a couple minutes here at work, so, I did some “googling”.

I typed in the name of the school, followed by player, and the word assault.

For example, googled: Alabama player assault.

Don’t ask me why I picked these teams, just popped into my head, but, I did it for these 5 teams.

Alabama, Iowa, Iowa State, Texas Tech and UCLA.

I quit at 5, everyone of them came back with an article of an athlete involved in an assault within the past 2-3 years, several of them had dates of 2012 on them.

You figure, I just used the word assault. Know telling what you’d find, if you used the words, robbery, public drunkeness, fighting, theft, drugs. I just used the word assault.

Try yourselves, make a game out of it, pick a school, use the word ‘player’, and pick a crime. Google it you’ll probably get an article.

I’m not making any point, I don’t know what any of it means, is it just this way in society??

I guess the only slight point is, every college, has or has had a problem with an athlete and the law.

It’s not just a Pitt thing.

Seriously, I don’t know what can be done?? Keep beating it in to these kids, show them there are consequences, and they still keep getting into trouble.

Comment by Dan 11.02.12 @ 3:44 pm

Maybe Chryst suspends the 3 for the season, the ND game, a quarter, a half or 3 quarters.

Play Shell and 2 backups. It is what it is.

Go by his decision. No one better then the team.

Comment by Frank MD 11.02.12 @ 3:51 pm

LMAO, I quit. For kicks, I thought, “Ivy League”!!!!

I googled, “Yale player assault”, knowing that nothing would come up for them.

First thing, smacks me in the face……….

“Yale quarterback faces sexual assault charges”!!

I quit. LOL

Comment by Dan 11.02.12 @ 3:53 pm

The difference is many teams with players in trouble actually win games, sell out 100k and play good football. Our kids, get in trouble, put out a bad product and still act like they walk on water.

Comment by Upittbaseball 11.02.12 @ 3:55 pm

To be fair politically, I did Harvard too!!!!!!!!

LMAO!!!!!!! We’re going under.

Smack in the face!!!!

“Academic cheating scandal involving over 279 students in a government class has now affected Harvard athletics. Two starting Harvard basketball players, including their leading scorer, have now withdrawn from the team and the school because of their involvement in the cheating scandal”.

Wow, it’s worse than I thought out there.!

It’s an ugly world!!! LOL

Comment by Dan 11.02.12 @ 3:59 pm

@upittbaseball, ya really, if you’re gonna get in trouble, give me somethin’ on the friggin field!!!

LOL

Comment by Dan 11.02.12 @ 4:00 pm

Getting in a drunken fight late at night in Oakland. Sounds about right. Glad it didn’t make espn every time for me. I guess it is harder to pick out the 5’9″, 175 white kid with a baseball hat. I’ll put this pretty low on the priority list. Do I want it to happen? No. Does it really bother me? No. At least our coach didn’t send a student up a lift in a windstorm. Which is worse? You can learn a lot from mistakes, lets hope these guys do.

Comment by PittDan 11.02.12 @ 4:04 pm

CMU offers a class on Tennis Shoes.
Northwestern offers a class on pornography.

Pretty much every major and minor college in the USA offers classes that students find ‘interesting’. The vampire class brought into discussion is more about the cultural derivation of vampires throughout the world and why the living dead is such a pervasive idea in human history.

I am slightly annoyed that all three are being handed a summons for assault when it seems clear that if ANY physical exchange actually occurred there was only one person involved. We are missing some information. Given how all of us know how south oakland gets late at night, one can’t rule out that the ‘assaulted’ individuals did not play a large part in this transgression.

These players should be smarter though, I mean, come on, if you see a situation like this just get the hell out of there. It isn’t worth your NFL career, or professional career even.

Comment by Benzene 11.02.12 @ 4:20 pm

“You have to have a couple of bad guys that sorta teeter on that edge to add to the flavor of the guys that are going to always do right. … You look at the teams that have won in the past. They always have a couple of criminals.” — Former Notre Dame Runningback Allen Pinkett

Well, tomorrow we’re going to put it to the test.

JK

Comment by PittofDreams 11.02.12 @ 4:31 pm

I’m just thanking God that Street didn’t bite the dude on the neck, what a spin ESPN would have put on that.

Comment by Dr. Tom 11.02.12 @ 4:41 pm

Some random thoughts…I am far more concerned that Pitt offers a class on vampires than I am that Pitt players were involved in a fight. That is just hard to believe. I don’t care what other schools do…Anybody check the crowd at the U vs VT game last night? Looked a lot like Heinz Field when YSU is in town…Don’t know why I feel this way, but I don’t see a victory over ND as being out of reach…Feeling good about the BB team this year and next…

Comment by HbgFrank 11.02.12 @ 4:46 pm

College is about learning how to think, not necessarily the topic. The prestigious St. Louis University has a class on Jay Z’s 99 Problems and it’s relationship with the 2nd Amendment:

link to slu.edu

All schools have courses of this nature … nothing to be embarrassed or ashamed about. It’s pretty damn funny actually.

Comment by Tossing Thabeets 11.02.12 @ 4:47 pm

Nothing on the alleged victim being bitten.

But reportedly the woman rumored to be Street’s ex-girlfriend did have a HICKEY!

Comment by PittofDreams 11.02.12 @ 4:49 pm

Just in case you were wondering:

Duke University
AMSE Class 141S:

Vampire Chronicles: Fantasies of Vampirism in a Cross-cultural Perspective. ALP, CCI Literary and cinematic representations of vampirism, from Dracula to Buffy, Chinese jiangshi to the politics of blood-selling and blood donation. The figure of the vampire as embodiment of anxieties about sexuality, desire, gender identity, and ethnic alterity. Cross-cultural circulation of vampiric traditions, vampirism as a symbol of circulation in its own right. Instructor: Rojas. One course. C-L: Cultural Anthropology 142, Literature 151M, International Comparative Studies 122E, Women’s Studies 131S, Study of Sexualities 131S, International Comparative Studies

Comment by CNorwoodAZ 11.02.12 @ 4:49 pm

Oh, and apparently the charges have been dropped (per KDKA).

Comment by CNorwoodAZ 11.02.12 @ 4:56 pm

With these players, we don’t even know if the players were even there or if the incident even happened. None of the witnesses were able to identify all three players. Doesn’t that sound a bit odd? I’d imagine that the charges will get thrown out. The incident was so minor that the guy didn’t even want to press charges. I’d imagine if the guy didn’t say it was a Pitt player involved the issue goes no further.

The Vampire class was three credits. I think when I took it, it was a Tuesday-Thursday class and it was however long a typical Tuesday-Thursday class is, I think 1:15. Seriously, no reason to be embarrassed by the class. It wasn’t a blow off class in any sort of way. In fact, a portion of the grade was class participation so you had to show up to do well. In general, the class was pretty interesting, learned how ideas i.e., Vampires can start as local rumors and travel through cultures, time periods and different forms of mediums.

Comment by Wardapalooza 11.02.12 @ 5:01 pm

The conspiracy charge I found puzzling. Next thing will be a search warrant, when they find the Google results on Gramham’s computer enquiring for the appropriate racial slur to call a white guy walking with two chicks late at night, that will be pretty damning. Not to mention finding the story board the three put together the previous week detailing the Xs & Os of how they were going to surround the guy prior to slugging him upside the head,(and everyone thought they were studying their playbooks at the time). Definitely looks like a conspiracy to me. Tomorrow’s headlines, “PantherGate Exposed at the University of Pittsburgh, Federal Investigation Called For”. Yep, it’s a conspiracy.

Comment by Dr. Tom 11.02.12 @ 5:07 pm

I just talked to my buddy who works in South Bend. He said everyone has been talking about this since 7am. This is big news to ND fans. They are going for a BCS title game. NBC will not let this go tomorrow. It doesn’t matter Pitt is 4-4. We have 3 of our best players accused of assault. It doesn’t matter if it’s true or not to the national audience if Pitt pulls off the upset. They will pass judgment right or wrong on the players and the University. Even if the charges are dropped on Monday, no one will report it and no one will care. The damage is done. It’s not fair but it’s the way it is. Now this will be a non story if Pitt loses like everyone thinks they will. If Graham scores the winning TD, $h_t will hit the fan. Only way NBC stops reporting this story is when they are up by 28pts.

Comment by why me 11.02.12 @ 5:26 pm

I knew it was only a matter of time before Pitt football was commanding the national spotlight again. Now we gotta beat Notre Dame just so the media can stir up the pot some more. OOOOOHHHH the drama!!!!!

Comment by Dr. Tom 11.02.12 @ 5:32 pm

Criminals vs Catholics. I love the meme.

Comment by TX Panther 11.02.12 @ 5:42 pm

Well, if they’re gonna pass judgment……….

we might as well win!!!!!!!!!

They really shouldn’t be passing judgment on anyone. Guy dying on the boom. Several drunken players/police episode off season. QB Rees one of them I believe??

Questions of the football player alledged rape/girl committing suicide episode.

They should really just sit down, be quiet, and enjoy the game!!!

Comment by Dan 11.02.12 @ 5:58 pm

I only have one question;

Is Vampires 101 a 3 credit or 4 credit course ?

I’m betting 4 if football players were taking it.
Oy Vey !

Comment by Emel 11.02.12 @ 5:59 pm

@Dan

You’re posts are cracking me up! Highlight of my day so far.

Comment by J Bizz 11.02.12 @ 6:04 pm

OK – my two cents. This happened accross the street from the dorms. ….right?

Everyone, close your eyes! Now think! How many times each of us could have been arrested for being drunk on a Friday or Saturday night walking in front of the Towers? Or saying something completely stupid to people/girls/police. Hell, I had to be carried out of Quinues on occasion!
Hell #2..several of my friends threw a firecracker (M80 I think) out the dorm window (yes the windows did use to open and shut!) and the police wanted to arrest everyone in the dorm as it exploded right next to a pedestrian.

So…think ..of your worst night (s) and now read carefully the incredibly bogus charges against the 3 players. Comeon everyone…of course they should play!!! This should not even be mentioned by NBC.

PS – enjoy the memories.
PSS – Pitt 37 Notre Dame 35

Comment by Dan 72 11.02.12 @ 6:09 pm

Frankcan, what’s up with the Covington kid? C’mon buddy – I rely on you for recruiting updates.

Comment by marcus of schaumburg 11.02.12 @ 6:22 pm

I’m not making any point, I don’t know what any of it means, is it just this way in society?

Society mimics sports or is it the other way around.

Regardless it’s really a barometer of how truly screwed up this society has become.
Just like parents having to go out with their kids trick or treating.

While we all enjoy our latest little gadgets and electronic toys that suggest things are advancing, societal wise, we are regressing.

Comment by Emel 11.02.12 @ 6:32 pm

@Dan-o

That explains why Harvard was in the Top 25 in hoops several weeks last year.

Yes the infection has even reached the Ivies.

We are Doomed !

Comment by Emel 11.02.12 @ 6:34 pm

What next a course on Zombies ?

Comment by Emel 11.02.12 @ 6:40 pm

St Louis University is a Jesuit school. I can’t believe they have a course on Jay Z’s 99 problems.

Wait…….

that’s right Rick Majerus is trying to resurrect their basketball program. My bad :-)

Comment by Emel 11.02.12 @ 6:42 pm

ESPN’s (that fine news organization of Sports & Entertainment) new top story is:

Mayor says NYC Marathon canceled

duh, well yah, half of NYC has no power and is underwater. I guess ESPN was mad since now they’ll have to figure out what to program for those hours. The choice being Celebrity Poker, women’s college field hockey or a rerun of the 1975 Ohio St-Michigan game.

Comment by Emel 11.02.12 @ 6:50 pm

Any sort of gathering to watch this game in NJ? I’m out of power and so is every town surrounding me.

Comment by Chris 11.02.12 @ 8:17 pm

marcus schaumburg i dont really know but i have a thought when the RB from NJ commited to wisconsin
he said some thing that might give us a clue
he said he thought wisconsin really wanted him there .
i think and this is just a thought that maybe
after we get a kid to commit we stop giveing him love may be we dont call as offton or go to his games any more.

i mean the RB decommits from pitt and commits to wisconsin and says wisnconsin really wants me does that meam pitt stoped showing it .

Comment by FRANKCAN 11.02.12 @ 8:39 pm

Any Pitt BB score with exhibition tonight?

Comment by Frank MD 11.02.12 @ 8:39 pm

Pitt 77 Hawaii 44 Wasn’t much of a game . Looked like Hawaii had jet lag. Foul shooting was 6-16 in the first half. Lost count in the second. At one point Adams was 1-6 from the line the last two games.

Comment by alcofan 11.02.12 @ 8:53 pm

Final. Pitt 77 – HI-Hilo 45. JJ Moore and Zanna led scoring with 13 each.

Comment by Cnorwoodaz 11.02.12 @ 8:59 pm

10 bounds for Adams 9 for Moore.

Comment by alcofan 11.02.12 @ 9:01 pm

What took place may have cost us OT dorian johnson it does not make a difference if they did it or not the damage is done.
johnsons mom was worryed abought her boy at pitt
with all the so called inter city chrime now what will she say.
my bet he goes to VT.

lets face it we know it is as safe as any were but if a mom does not want it and some thing like this is on the news we lose.

Comment by FRANKCAN 11.02.12 @ 9:08 pm

FRANKCAN – this wasn’t a “city” incident… this was a “being out at 12:30 AM incident”.

Comment by Tossing Thabeets 11.02.12 @ 9:24 pm

but vt is safe, can u say say on campus shooting..

Comment by teezy 11.02.12 @ 9:26 pm

Apparently the racial epitaph used was the derogatory use of the word “Count”

link to youtube.com

Comment by Tossing Thabeets 11.02.12 @ 9:27 pm

another big issue I have is why cant pitt ever get stuff swept under the rug like the steelers. look t’amau(sp?) almost ran over 3 cops and they pulled their guns and said they would have shot him if he wasnt in a crowded place in southside. and u didnt hear much about very little talk with a two gm suspension this shouldve been big national news

Comment by teezy 11.02.12 @ 9:30 pm

Plenty of stuff gets swept under the rug. We never hear about that stuff.

Comment by alcofan 11.02.12 @ 9:35 pm

Graham didn’t say “cracker” if that’s what all of you are thinking. I write for The Pitt News and got copies of the complaints for Street, Pitts and Graham. Drunkenness, in my opinion.

Comment by PatMac 11.02.12 @ 9:37 pm

5 TD’s for Tyler Boyd tonight, Foster out with a suspension ,Shai McKenzie with over 200 yds for Wash high.

Comment by alcofan 11.02.12 @ 9:40 pm

If it wasn’t ND week, this would not have been picked up nationally – the freakin’ summons were mailed. I’m glad it was because I could go on forever with these vampire jokes. Word on the street is that Lord Voldemort is the Professor and that he was assembling a team of vampires to beat Pitt’s nationally ranked Quidditch team.

Comment by Tossing Thabeets 11.02.12 @ 9:42 pm

TOSSING and TEEZY i know that and you know that
the point i was makeing was his mom will use it as a reason not to have him go to pitt.
which was part of the reason he went to penn state his mom thinks pitt is danger zone.
you and i remmber the on school; shooting in VT but outhers dont.

Comment by FRANKCAN 11.02.12 @ 9:42 pm

By the way, the nationally ranked Quiddich team is more embarrassing than the vampire class.

Comment by Tossing Thabeets 11.02.12 @ 9:43 pm

I know – I’m just annoyed with his parents definition of “safe”.

Comment by Tossing Thabeets 11.02.12 @ 9:46 pm

Hell years ago in cal they used to have basket weaveing corse for football players.

Comment by FRANKCAN 11.02.12 @ 9:57 pm

Okay, so here’s the rub. University cameras catch more than most people think. I recently sat in a large campus bunker during a presidential visit and was shocked at how many cameras are on university properties all the time. If something happened on campus, I am quite certain it has been captured.

This is a non-story. Mason up and jar the irish.

Comment by dhuffdaddy 11.02.12 @ 10:17 pm

Alleged racial slur? If there was one given the one “victim’s” last name it could possibly have been one related to a person of Polish descent.

The topic of the course doesn’t matter nearly as much as the questions “Is it sufficiently rigorous?” and “Does it require critical thinking?” I can see a course like this being in any of a variety of departments at various universities: communications, film (don’t know that Pitt has such a department but schools with a connection to the entertainment industry usually do, e.g. USC), sociology, literature and even history. Let’s not get our knickers in a twist about Pitt’s academic quality and reputation over the name of one course which may offer a significant contribution to a student’s learning and growth. Likewise let’s not get too concerned about some players being involved in a likely minor incident and trust the legal authorities, coaching staff and administration to handle it appropriately. Pitt is a very fine academic and research university and under the current administration and BOT is getting continuously better and certainly better than the nits, hoopies and domers.

Now lets get back to the business of beating those domers! Win it for Mason! Go Pitt!

Comment by opfim 11.02.12 @ 11:05 pm

Man. Every school has courses that qualify more as fun that scholarship. I’ve watched alot of Vampire movies myself and worn some Vampire Teeth too.
Have the charges been dropped or not? The Post relevant Gazette does not say.
By the way. Ohio state no longer has am opening in 2013 the same day as us.
Maybe Pederson is holding out for a big Gardner Webb payday.

Comment by SFPitt 11.03.12 @ 7:52 am

Sidebar about the undead……Wasn’t the first Zombie movie filmed in Pittsburgh, The Night of the Living Dead. Perhaps there is something to the academic side of this stuff, cinema-graphic history! HTP!

Comment by barreman 11.03.12 @ 8:26 am

The best quote on espn.com about this story was “Vampire class? Was this at Pitt or at Hogwarts?”

Comment by OrlandoAlum 11.03.12 @ 2:24 pm

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