Hey, a 3:30 start! That’s different. Oh, wait it’s on the road. At… Buffalo. The things you have to do in scheduling. It was a 2-for-1 deal that meant Pitt didn’t have to buy the Buffalo appearances. Considering they got $1,000,000 from Georgia it makes some sense. It also tell tells you the going rate these days to get a 1-A non-BCS program to do a one-offer — and why everyone is using 1-AA schools now.
Not even sure I’ll be able to see the game. We are visiting some of my family this weekend, so I’m not even sure if the game will be shown where we are.
are desperate and have the Owls on the
horizon.
thanks…. blacked out on Espn3… never looked at sny.
Pitt again comes out scratching their asses and immediately kicks the kickoff out of bounds.
Tino staring down recievers “statue like” as usual. Pitt goes to kickoff after the TD and refs make us hold the ball as it blows off the tee.
Holder pulls a “Lucy” and lets the ball go before the kicker makes his second stride…somehow the kicker kicks it 14 yards. Pass defense is getthing shredded by a Penn STate related QB. Pitt pursues a scrambling BBill QB Zorich from every angle but the correct one and time after time he picks up first downs.
We are really awful and play with no emotion at all. A reflection on the coaching staff for sure.
There is nothing to stop the wind. It ain’t Tinos fault and it ain’t PC.
this place is a shithole.
Reason number 1000 to fire Cyanide Steve. Who in their right mind schedules a game in Buffalo in late October?
Secondary playing fairly well.
We will have to roll out pass or Charlie Brown and the Peanuts gang could put 8 in the box and stop the run.
Going into this wind, with nothing to stop it , is limecplaying on having first and 15.
Muddy fields use to equalize teams, but this wind is worse.
We are so flat and so slow that it almost looks as if we are in the tank with the bookies. This time I have decided to stop defending Chryst & Co.
It is OBVIOUS that this is a team that will have a disasterous season….a season so bad that it could set us back at least three or four more years until we attain a .500 won/lost %.
I believe that we are going to get crushed in the recruiting wars and as weak as the ACC is compared with other BCS Conferences we will be bottom feeders. Yes, I know this is only one game, yes we will probably win, however, if the lack of heart and desire being demonstrated today is any indication of our future the only thing that I can say is…Bring on the basketball season. A double OY VEY for Emel.
This is Pitt football. It’s a sad state of affairs man.
But since it’s Sunseri, clearly he must be criticized.
Hail to PITT!
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Hail To Pitt!
This game was played in the worst conditions I have ever endured. Not even close. I stood next to the cameraman fir most of the game. “this fucking sucks”..”what is this shit”..”I’m getting too old for this”. All because the wind, rain, sleet was coming at us horizontally.
Ive stopped to eat and have read much doom and gloom.
I totally disagree. I assure you, unless you sat at the game and thru this, you have no idea how easy it would have been to lose.
Any and every win is a good win.
Good job by Kevin Harper.
Mason made the most of his diminished ability.
That is all you can ask.
A boring game to watch, but consider that under those conditions we played not to lose and to not turn it over, which were both successful.
You sir are a trooper !
That 40Mph wind really hurt Tino today. By my count he had 9 passes thrown behind the receiver (3 were actually caught)2 passes across his body, not even close and of course one long pass to a wide open reciever in the end zone incomplete,short and late. That wind had to be a bitch because Tino never throwns like this…..oh wait..he does it every week!
A win is a win for this team. HTP 40 mph wind and all.
Worst team in the BigLeast vs the worst team in the MAC, and ppl wonder why the crowd was sparse. haha 
Throw in the lovely weather conditions and not even the magnificent Sir Tino (he of the Top 10 passing efficiency rating) could draw them in, for this classic.
Headline should read:
” PITT escapes with victory, meh ”
HTP !
VEV !
GRP !
P.S. Former PITT recruit Gary Nova threw 4 TD passes as undefeated, Top 20 Rutgers (yes Rutgers) blew past Temple in the 2nd half. All under their first year head coach Kyle Flood. Oy Vey
Yes the world is indeed topsy turvy !
On a more serious note, the game against Temple will be a true test to determine if Pitt is indeed mediocre.
Somebody in control of those things must be reading some our posts on here. lol
As several of us (including your’s truly) suggested we ditch the white/blue pants disaster we showed in Syracuse. (if u remember we called them hand-me-down uni’s, akronlike if u will)
Well today they went with a suggestion of our’s, the white tops with the gold bottoms, ala UCLA, GT or ND. And while it didn’t help much in the performance, though we did get the W and a W on the Road is a good W cause they could have very easily lost this game. PITT looked much better in it’s appearance on the field.
check it out:
http://www.pittsburghpanthers.com/sports/m-footbl/recaps/102012aaa.html
Sir Tino even looks like a real QB in this pic !
Appearances can be everything.
Cudos to whoever made the decision to go, with the white jerseys and the gold bottoms.
The billies are getting clobbered 52-7 by the Professor’s Kansas State still in the 3rd quarter ! (this after last week’s ass whoopin by Texas Tech)
They are finding out now what it’s like playing real teams every week. Goodbye Top 25 hoopies !
K State (ranked #4) NEVER has a Top 30 recruiting class, so it can be done. Bill Snyder (ie, The Professor) relies heavily in bringing in ready made JUCO players,( hint hint )!
Yes, we are that bad!!
I will take it… but it WAS a gimme..
As for Toledo… they are a good team!!
And when it counted in the 4rth Quarter the DEFENSE came up big with 2 HUGE stops of 2 deep into PITT territory, Buffalo drives.
GREAT JOB, Dan Mason, Jason Hendricks and the rest of the PITT Defense.
Veritas et Virtus !
they lost there best WR and RB and 8 outher players off there team to transfer.
they are 5 and 2.
if there players are that mutch better then ares
we must have a team of garabge or there coach is
better then chryst,
which is it.
i dont see them saying wait till next year
how could we have recruited this bad most are daves players.
our is it the coaching you tell me how can we be this bad.
and they with all they lost that good.
Maybe this is their version of Pitt 1997.
I get the rational criticism of certain things, and there’s plenty of room for that with this team, coaching staff and program. And I understand some of the frustrations, especially those of the long-time fans.
But for this season and this team, what did we all really expect? I know what a lot of us *hoped* for, but what did we really EXPECT?
Has any other BCS-level program ever gone through what this program has in the last two seasons? The level of turmoil that the bulk of this roster has endured is pretty much unprecedented.
I guess that’s why I don’t get it. I don’t get the excessive amounts of cynicism. I don’t get the roster envy and program envy I see from some here.
Rutgers this. Penn State that. Whatever. I don’t get it.
Does it really matter to Pitt what Penn State is doing right now? Why do we keep measuring ourselves by Penn State? The kids on that Penn State roster and some of the recruits don’t give a flying fornication about the scandal there; they’ve already said as much. Wait until the sanctions kick in and the bottom really falls out there, and we’ll see if some of them are still singing the same tune.
(And yes, I know we’re competing with Penn State for recruits this year. Please. At this point, would any of their commits step in immediately and help here next year where we need it? Nope. Not unless you want to make Breneman a tackle. By the time most of those kids are contributing, their sanctions will have long kicked in and who knows what that on-field product will look like.)
Remember two weeks ago when everyone was falling all over WVU and Holgorsen? Look at how much THAT situation has changed in just two weeks. Their fans were absolutely melting down tonight. Would any of us really want to trade places with that program right now and have to watch that defense? I’m not sure I would. I can tell you that none of them seem certain that they’ll ever be able to field a defense that can stop some of those teams.
I guess this is my point…
What’s gone on here the last two years is unprecedented. Largely self-inflicted (and that’s sad), but unprecedented.
At some point, though, the Pitt program had to draw a line and mark that as the “starting over” point (the moment Graham bolted). At that point, you shift all focus to everything going forward. You don’t write off the short-term, but you also recognize that there will be some collateral damage because it’s pretty much the nature of the beast. You begin rebuilding it, with emphasis on the “BUILD” part of that.
What ultimately starts to happen in 2013 and 2014 will be several times more important for Pitt than what happens this year. This year was and always has been about Chyrst getting his system in place, seeing what he has to work with and setting those foundations.
This is why Tino still making some of the same mistakes doesn’t bother me this year; he won’t be a factor in two more months.
This is why the progress the offensive line makes from this year to next is exponentially more important than what they’ve done from last year to this year.
Don’t get me wrong – I want to see them win. We all do. But the ultimate win-loss record they finish with this year pales in relative importance to Chryst getting those foundations built this year for the next two years.
Gotta agree with Stoosh. I have written and said many times that no team in the history of college football has had to endure the ridiculous circus of the last 2.5 years. Totally unprofessional and that falls on Cyanide Steve.
We don’t have the players Penn State does, we don’t have their money or candidly, their pedigree. We have 30 years of mostly bad football and a fan base that knows the game well and won’t support the idiocy of these times.
The only way to turn the team/program toward success is one play at a time, one game at a time, etc.
Yesterday, because there were so few people at the game (how much did this game cost us Stevie?), I was able to get close to the field and bench.
What I loved was the attitude; Our body language; our presence. On a day when no one wanted to be there (refs and cameramen included), Pitt’s players did.
That may not mean anything to analysts, but you start the future with NOW and recruit players with similar DNA.
I fired Cyanide Steve, but I am sticking with the coaches and players. They deserve it for what they have been thru. The future starts here with this team.
I like Holgerson..
He has fire in the belly.. now that is a BCS D1 coach!!
whereas Chryst… ho hum… oh, we want to get better… accepting mediocrity.
And I might add, they beat the Vegas point spread.
Hail to Pitt!
Beat Temple and we’re back to 4-4.
I will also be cheering (as hard as it is to do, especially with some in my family being fans), for Notre Dame to beat Oklahoma.
It will then be a prime time, for Pitt to pick off a #4 or #5, undefeated Notre Dame team on national t.v..
Oh, my, that would be so sweet!!! Another 13-9???
HTP!!
The 2013 recruiting class is vital and I just don’t see a strong foundation there, they better stay on Johnson and recruit him hard.
Joe D…if giving up over 200 points in just 4 weeks is your kind of what a “BCS D1 Coach” looks like, I suggest you stick to your real area of expertise: track & field.
I suggest you read the article…
you obviously didn’t.
The point was the fire in the belly… Holgerson is sooooo competitive he was angry at the loss and ready to kick a$$…
Chyrst on the other hand… ho hum… think YSU!!
Your post is just full of excuses…
I bet you never were a manager with P&L responsibility…
It’s all about benchmarking and comparing to others.. you may not like it… but it is what it is.
What is your excuse going to be next year??? and the year after that???
If Tino stays upright, Pitt wins and the STREAK IS ON!
Saw him having some difficulty changing direction but as long as he’s moving in one direction he looks good.
D-Lineman still look like chickens without heads out there. Make that SLOW chickens.
What is also troubling is that, at least on paper, the current recruiting class doesn’t look like the kind of strong class needed to truly jump start a rebuilding effort. Of course, we fans do hope we are wrong and it’s members ultimately will prove far better on the field than they project on paper at this time.
SFPitt – enjoyed and appreciated your posts here and on Dokish’s blog.
JoeD – that’s not fire in Holgerson’s belly. It’s leftover booze from the lobby bar of the hotel he lives in.
I’ll take the “shucks and gee whiz” family man everyday. It’s not just about winning. How we win is just as important.
But… we are not winning…. we have a losing record!!
I don’t want to hear… oh, let him get the players, etc etc… hogwash…
Look at 1st year HC…. O’Brien at PSU… the Rutgers HC…
Most people thought this was a 7-5 or 8-4 talented team at the start of the season. So young and thin on defense, bad at quarterback, bad on o-line and thin everywhere. Major questions at running back (health & unpredictable freshman) and wide receivers who took last season off.
Most on here kept commenting about how injuries would make or break the season. Since then we’ve lost our starting left tackle (suspension), and been hit fairly hard by injuries on defense. Price, Thomas, M. Williams, Lippert, Gordon, K Williams, Pardner. Our depth has been seriously challenged on defense and I second emel’s cheers for Dan Mason and defense that won yesterday’s game for us.
So many good things to like on this team going into next year, why obsess over the negatives and concerns? As a Pitt fan, I know that’s what we do and we have 30 years that have taught us that.
If Chryst can get the type of numbers out of the passing game that he has this year, I can’t wait to see what he gets from Savage, Voytik & Chapman. I can’t wait to see how much our defense improves next year with hopefully 8 or 9 starters back and having a lot more experience.
I’d rather focus on these positive things in a public forum than the negatives, day after day, after day.
Now, can we beat Temple and finish strong to the season? Can we get a couple more o-line or d-line recruits? Can we find some way to coach up or put our o-line or d-line in better position to succeed?
PSU is 5-2… they went through more the past year than Pitt in the past 2.. they lost top players, etc.
Rutgers is 7-0… new HC…
btw BGP and Stoosh… I forecasted 6-6… anyone higher than that was drinking the koolaid… now I’m not sure if they will win more than 4 games…
“We’ve got to get this program to where it needs to be,” Holgorsen said, agreeing fully.
“I thought we were ready to play,” Holgorsen said. “Nobody likes what’s going on. We’ll get back to work and try to put a better product out there the next time.”
“No excuses. It starts with me,” West Virginia coach Dana Holgorsen said.
Did you ever hear Chryst say those things… Chryst doesn’t even have any goals… no accountability, etc. That was a response to a question…
Chryst is doing a fine job with what he has to work with. Let’s give Chryst a chance before parking a moving van outside his house.
I’m a senior level mgr with P&L responsibility and I know something about benchmarking. It’s OK to do that with Pitt, PSU and Rutgers, but one has to actually analyze why the differences occur. All three have entirely different situations. It’s way too simplistic – and a bit sloppy – to compare them based on this season.
Now, if you want to compare them based on the past 5-10 years performance, the comparison is more legit. But PC isn’t the underlying cause of Pitt’s failures relative to those guys.
IMO – based on reading your posts over the past couple years – You prefer a guy who is more demonstrative to the media. And in that regard, be careful that you aren’t being manipulated by a salesman.
It would have been great for the past two years to have left no lasting ill effects on the program, but that was always an unrealistic hope. I’m not blindly optimistic about Coach Cryst, but I don’t think it is unrealistic to expect him to need multiple years to repair the damage to the program. (I also think it is a miracle that there are decent recruits even considering Pitt after these past two years.)
PSU has us against the world and it is working for them. WVU hopes of national championship went to zero when they entered B12.
I am willing to give Chryst his due time before making judgments. I am not thrilled with his recruiting at this point but we will see. Football is all about your O and D lines and with Pitt’s at this point it is hard to be successful. Any anyone calling for for Wanny to come back these are his recruits on the O line. And for those asking for Walt he was fired partly b/c he never recruited good lines.
Your predictable posts reveal your blind spot Joe D…an affinity for style over substance. I highly doubt you have ANY P&L responsibility, in fact, your arrogant and superficial perspective indicates you are a middle manager more focused on creating the “appearance” of success versus actually taking the real steps to achieve it.
Besides, if you you really have P&L responsibilities like you claim, I seriously question how seriously you take those responsibilities since you find the time to insistently vomit your arrogance on any and every blog site dedicated to Pitt athletics.
You guys who are so hypercritical of Pitt’s performance HAVE NO IDEA of how much of an equalizer that kind of weather can be in a game. You nailed it SFPitt, I like the attitude of this team also. There is not an enormous amount of talent on this team but I haven’t seen them mail it in yet this season in any of their games. How anybody keeps their spirits up in that game yesterday is beyond me. By halftime anybody that wasn’t getting paid to be there in the second half was looking for a dry seat and a hot toddy next to the fireplace. Yeah, Pitt has been soundly beaten this year, but they have never hung their heads, even when it was YSU handing out the ass whoopin.
Yesterday wasn’t a quality win but it was a WIN. Any of you critics out there who follow Pitt should KNOW how fragile this team’s situation is now. This game could have been lost due to these horrible conditions and the fact that Pitt is so adept at playing down to their opposition. If you actually know this team, you should be simply happy that they won the game and can move on to the next one witn another victory under their belts.
Enjoy the upside, no Pitt turnovers, Tino actually ran for first downs, Harper made all of his kicks for PATs and FGs in absolutely terrible weather, WHAT??? This defense kept them out of the endzone and Dan Mason started at middle LB and had eleven tackles. This glass is more than half full.
Gentlemen come on, this ain’t no top 50 team we’re analysing here. So just shut up, take the win and move on for Chryst’s sake.
Chryst has much to learn, but I have seen some things to like and of course want him to succeed. Pitt’s results this year have less to do with a first year coach than it does with talent. The bottom line is that this is just not a good team. They cant finish and are most likely going to be sub-.500 in the BE for the the first time since ’07. I do think we’re looking at another year or two of the same in the ACC. I hope I’m wrong, but there is not enough waiting in the wings to think otherwise.
- The team’s going to be inconsistent all year so I’ll take the wins, no matter how “pretty” they are.
- JoeD, some other new HC records you might want to keep in mind:
JL Smith (Ark) – 3-4
M Leach (Wash St) – 2-5 (wasn’t this Dorish’s pick for Pitt?)
C Weis (Kan) – 1-6
T Bechman (Ill) – 2-5
Rich Rod (Arz) – 4-3
And lot’s of people’s favorite instead of Chryst. Cristobol (FIU) 1-7
So yes, there are coaches that have had some success but let’s keep in mind that many will struggle until they get their people in place.
Great post Stoosh
This game again shows what happens when there are eight in the box against the panthers. Limits the running game success and dares the qb to hurt you. Our qb can’t hurt you because he can’t close the deal.
Psychologically, I also let the Arthur Doakes and other bacup linemen get playing time even if they are not the best choices right now. Going into the off season, giving them a taste of starting to see how they respond with winter conditioning can be enlightening. It also allows the staff to see if a player performs better under the lights on Saturdays. If they can’t cut the mustard (pun intended), than they need to have the thanks but you got to go speach with their coach during the winter. Free up schollies for folks that want to work to be their best. Any idea how Tyrique Jarrett is performing at the Academy? Big key this year will be to get signees into school early so they can participate in spring drills.
Oh and finally. The weather. It was terrible. So what. A golfer, a qb, a kicker, a baseball pitcher. Wind plays a factor but you need to know how the wind effects your game. The real good news for Pitt football is that 1/2 of their games going forward will be played in weather environments that are much more stable as they head south!! Can’t wait.
3 more wins than I expected after beginning the season 0-2
HTP
- Plus… Turned Sunseri into a SOLID error-free (1 interception) QB.
- Minus… Over-estimated his ability to turn Sunseri into a WINNER capable of making plays to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat (see Cincy end of half, Syracuse end of game)
- Plus… Proven himself to have the guts to GO FOR THE WIN and not play it safe unlike Wanny and others like Graham (see Wanny upset loss to Connecticut, Graham repeated third down punts inside enemy terriroty).
- Minus… Sometimes gone for it maybe with the wrong play call (See Louisville).
-Plus… Unlike Wanny does not play favorites and has been willing to play freshman and other young players in place of upperclassmen (See Shell, Pitts, Render).
-Minus…Has been willing to live or die with Sunseri without even getting another QB some snaps in package situations, for example a pass-run option or two (See YSU).
-Plus… Has shown a great deal of character as a Head Coach while also living up to his billing as a great offensive mind (See Sunseri and Passing Game).
-Minus… Has appeared to be a little too complacent at times in reacting to losses and unlike Graham a year ago seems unwilling to take a hands-on approach on Defense choosing instead to leave matters in the hands of his Assistants who have been inconsitent and sometimes downright awful in making adjustments that can mean the difference between winning and losing (See Louisville).
What have I missed?
Pitt1972,
That’s certainly a very fair response.
The YSU loss was inexcusable. There’s no way around that. That was like re-living the Ohio loss in 2005 or the Bowling Green loss in 2008 – both of which killed early-season excitement for each respective season – only worse because it came at the hands of a Division I-AA team (FCS…whatever).
The ‘Cuse loss was inexcusable, too. It was a game they should’ve won and had chances to win. I wasn’t thrilled with some of the play-calling in that game, and even less thrilled with some of what that game revealed about the abilities of some of the players, particularly the offensive line. How much of the performances we’ve seen from the linemen is attributable to coaching, I’m not exactly sure. I’m hoping for the best…hoping that some of the younger guys are just dealing with adapting to their third blocking scheme in three years.
The recruiting for this season does concern me a little bit, too, especially in regards to the lack of linemen. I know the general consensus is that Foster, Johnson and Boyd would save all, and I do believe that Pitt will at least get Foster and Johnson. But I’d still like to see more. Hopefully that’s coming.
Certainly very fair criticisms and concerns.
Big disappointment. But who can blame him?
Said before the season started that Chryst’s low-key manner and approach would not be a problem once recruits and their parents get to see the product he and his staff put on the field.
Well?
Obviously a little too much optimism.
Let’s just hope Chapman remains solid. Losing him would really hurt the future of the program… probably more than any other single recruit in my opinion.
Only thing certain to sure up things at this point would be a WIN STREAK. That means Temple followed by a HUGE UPSET in South Bend.
Not likely. But who knows?
Can I say I told you so regarding Chryst recruiting acumen!
in 3years, when they fire Chryst… yes, I will say I told you so…
how that “coach em up” going so far!!
And that most of us didn’t expect much this year.
(however I do remember the pre-season prediction post on how PITT would fair this year and Reed and I were on the low end at 7-5) And why not, we have lots of experience at QB, WR, RB, TE and several O-linemen (regardless of their talent level, that’s what Joe Huebner was brought in for, to teach em & coach em up). Plus PC is supposed to be a Offensive schematic genius, so surely we can figure out someway to block YSU, Cuse & Buffalo. Not exactly Murderers Row (to use a old baseball cliche). On the positive side, hey at least we didn’t lose all 3 games to Murderers Row.
Ok back to this notion, that seems to be growing here, that we need to give PC a pass this year.
Ok, let’s say I buy that, we give PC a pass this year and we need to think forward. EVERYTHING IS LOOKING FORWARD. Westward Ho !!
If we are indeed looking forward and planning for the future and at 0-3 in the BigLeast, that would be the prudent thing to do. Plan for the future.
Well the future does not include our 5th yr senior QB (thank God). So for those of you giving PC a pass, because he is building for the future, the future is Trey Anderson & Chad Voytik. And hopefully Tom Savage. Now since we can’t predict how a 3 year layoff will effect Tom Savage and we can’t predict whether or not he might get hurt, as he has a history of injuries. Wouldn’t it indeed be a prudent thing to do, to have either Anderson or Voytik ready for next season, by playing them THIS SEASON.
If you are indeed a proponent of giving PC a pass this year, because, again, you are looking forward. Forward to the Future. Then you also logically would want to have a QB ready, with substantial playing experience for next season.
I’m all in… on building for the future, are you?
Forget “growing” from games for awhile. It’s time for PC et al to buckle up the chin straps and win a couple of games with the cards they’ve been dealt.
Season on the line. Next recruiting class on the line.
GIT ‘R DONE!
Lots of people are saying Chryst can coach offense. Really can he? There are solid receivers and two good rbs. But the team never scores when it matters. The scoring output against Cuse, YSU and Cinci was a joke. Not exactly the best Ds.
Also when you are down TWO scores failing to kick the FG to make it a one possession game is not going for the win. They needed the FG and a TD. Say they get a TD on that drive. They still need at least a FG.
Wow…maybe the Penn State and WVU fans were right all of these years…we really do have the most delusional fan base in America.
Let’s take a look at who is on the defense for example.
4 star Aaron Donald
4 star Todd Thomas 4 star Tyrone Ezelle
4 star Cullen Christian 3 star Darryl Render
4 star LaFayette Pitts 3 star LaQuentin Smith
3 star Jack Lippert 4 star Ejuan Price
3 star Manny Williams 3 star Jared Holley
3 star Eric Williams 4 star Bryan Murphy
3 star Ray Vinopal 4 star TJ Clemmings
3 star K’Wuan Williams 4 star Nick Grigsby
4 star K. Mosely-Smith 3 star Rod Ryles
3 star Bam Bradley 3 star Terrel Jackson
3 star Jamal Pardner 3 star Devon Porchia
4 star Daysean Rippy 3 star Shane Gordon
4 star Dan Mason 3 star Brandon Ifill
I’m sure I missed a few, however if you look at
who we have, there is NO WAY we are less talented than a D2 team (YSU) nor Syracuse. And if you compared ours above with Cincy or L-Ville, we more than likely have more talent than them too !
Don’t have time to look at the offense right now, but I’m sure it’s similar. This program while it has been mismanaged from above (Stevie Cornhole), still has lots of talent in the system and had been to 4 straight bowl games from 2008-2012.
It was not a program in total shambles.
So this notion that we don’t have a talent is bogus.
HTP ! VEV ! GRP !
Decent 5th year senior QB’s do not score 17 points and lose against a D2 team, 3 points against Cincy (not going to count the last meaningless mercy TD in the last minute), one TD against crappy Syracuse, and one TD against even lower Buffalo (not going to count the first TD in the 2nd quarter since we got the ball at the UB 27 after a Hendricks interception and Sir Tino didn’t even throw one pass in that 27 yard, 9 play TD drive, he just handed off)
He hasn’t progressed much since that very first start against Utah, when he couldn’t make a play that a good or decent QB could make. Stared down his WR so much, that it was an easy pick in OT. You could see it then (or at least some of us could), and if you can’t see it now, 33 games later, oy vey !
Thank God this era in PITT football is coming to a merciful end.
Veritas et Virtus !
if the talent is there WTF why is penn state 5 and 2 with a first year coach and us so bad.
is it the asst coachs really becuse on paper we should not be this bad.
somebody make sence of this for me i just dont get it.
and once agein you have all said it is a bad OL
but once agein i will point out chryst is not recruiting any better OL than wanny maybe even less OL men so how do you fix a bad OL WHEN YOU CANT SIGN ANY.
Didn’t you know, not allowed to say the truth, especially if that truth is not good.
That’s negativity, that’s a no-no!!!
isnet it funny dan and EMel if we see things and point them out we are the bad ones some fans fallow like sheep you are a good frend DAN you and EMEL and boosdraws and DR. tom we love pitt but we wont fallow like blind sheep
stubborn am i
i once turned down a job makeing twice what i was makeing this was 35 years ago becuse the man wanted me to shave my beard i would not do it.
the point is i love pitt but if i see things that i think are not right i will say so .
a coach is not god do you remmber when i said no slack for TG half the posters on here thought i was the devil than they chanded there minds and thought TG was was the devil.
aftrer all we all have different thoughts dont we
we are not comminust
I just thought it was ridiculous he got persoonal with saying you’re negative. I’ve seen you post for years, mostly positive pro Pitt.
We are allowed to criticize aren’t we??? This isn’t Mr. Happy’s world of fun afterall is it???
Then when he commented back, and used the word pathetic, I thought, time to have some fun with him.
Why can some of us be cynical and sarcastic at times, have you been awake, have you followed Pitt football for the last 30 years??? LOL
Frankly, besides all of the snide remarks from both of us, I’m still waiting for his answer, to the question he posed to you.
Two options he said, accept what they have to offer. (mediocrity, not accepting).
Or, work to fix the problem??? I said, other than buying season tickets, donating to the university athletics, and academics, and buying merchandise, just how does a fan go about working on fixing the problem???
I did let him drag me into the gutter, when he used the word pathetic, then questioned my life for spending time on a sports blog day after day,
not to worry Frankcan, I can go to the gutter if need be!!!!!! LMAO
Frank, you have nothing to apologize for, you’re one of the best Pitt fans on here, you bleed blue and gold, and should not be questioned.
Hail To Pitt!!!
gets a offer just a guess i dont know for sure
and for thoes that care i think mark myers has thrown for close to 2000 yards and 18 TD IN 6 games .
if the recruitment of Foster and Johnson hinges on how we do in Rutgers and ND game…
then consider them OSU commits!!!
Meyer is a tenacious recruiter and I do not expect either to end up at Pitt.
As you said various times, Chryst just doesn’t have the closing skills. We have a void on the oline and dline that should be the priority not a safety who plays in a low division with 4.75 speed, what are they thinking?
Where did Myers end up? I tried keeping an eye out for an update on his transfer out, but I’m not on most of the other boards, so apparently I missed it.
“just offer”….
did anyone have any doubt that Chryst can’t land the big recruit…
Right now… Chapman and Orndoff are the only big time recruits…
Foster and Johnson are doubtful…
and Chapman is shaky (don’t be surprised if he decommits)
I don’t think anyone who threw out anything from 6-6 to 8-4 as preseason predictions were out of line. This depth chart had a ton of question marks through it. That was compounded by the fact that many of these kids were dealing with their third system in as many years, and THAT was compounded by the fact that none of has had any idea how they would respond to this coaching staff.
On offense, the running game hasn’t been the strength it was expected to be. It’s safe to say that the offensive line has under-performed, given some of the veteran presence there. Ironically, perhaps the biggest question marks on offense heading into the season – QB and WR – have been among the most productive to this point, but even that progress is stunted a little by Sunseri’s and lack of intangibles and inability to deliver in clutch situations.
On defense, we knew Donald would be solid, but his production may have dipped in large part because the other linemen haven’t elevated their games. Reed discussed the lack of experience at the LB position at length. The perceived strength that was the defensive backfield struggled at first but has taken steps to get better gradually.
As I said in a previous response, the YSU loss was absolutely indefensible. The Syracuse loss was tough to swallow because of all the missed opportunities there. This team, by all accounts, should really be 5-2 right now. Fans SHOULD be disappointed about that. I don’t blame anyone who is. I am as well.
I agree with a lot of what both you and dhuffdaddy posted above, particularly at the QB position. I am beginning to wonder how the coaching staff sees it – whether they’re at the point that wins and bowl eligibility this year mean less than actively preparing your roster coming back for next year.
To this point, they’re 3-4 with three winnable games on the schedule (Temple, UConn, USF). If they were to happen to lose this weekend or to UConn coming off what I think will be a loss at ND, I think that has to become a very real option at that point.
I think the points you both raised regarding Savage and his injury history are valid. I’m not sure where Voytik is in terms of his command of the playbook, but I WOULD like to see something from either he or Anderson this year, whether that comes in some sort of blowout win or loss.
I like the idea of coming back with Savage, Voytik, Anderson and (hopefully) Chapman next year, but there’s big-time potential for a repeat of 2007 when Stull got hurt in the opener and Wanny was forced to go to Kevan Smith/Pat Bostick.
I can barely stand to read the comments here anymore. This site used to be the last bastion of reasoned debate as far as Pitt forums. Pantherlair and Dokish’s blog are full of kneejerkers who would rather just spit fire and namecall than have a real discussion. Now they are all here too. It’s a shame.
the day Clement decommitted…
Pitt got a verbal from a 2 star RB/Safety out of Maryland… 4.75 speed… plays in lowest level of Maryland HS football.
C’mon man!!
but the best part if you remmber they said he could not throw short some of his TD were for 10 yd that to me is a short throw of course for tino that would be a long throw.
he has had a 5 TD game and 6 TD game and over 450 yd in both games
relevant every thing is relevant they will say the D is no good in div 3 but the WR and the OL are not eather so it is all relevant or eaqual
i dont think myers lacked talent i think he did not pratice well maybe partyed to mutch
but if a QB gets a real shot at the pros my bet is on myers not tino.
he never got a real shot in a game he never played a whole Quater or a half some people are not pratice players he was in for what 2 series one or twice you cant tell from that he pissed the coachs off that would be my guess when he was at pitt.
You can’t tell me that 3 head coaches and a half-dozen offensive coordinators chose to simply ignore him on the practice field because he pissed them off. He had great “measurables” but very good stuff on the field. That combination gets you a clipboard every time.
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we will know for sure when he is drafted in the pros if he does not make it you are right if he makes it i am we will see in a year or 2
After Saturday’s win I didn’t hear anybody struttin around with their chest’s puffed out chantin “we bad, we bad”. Other than you guys, but you were defining “bad” is in that, “we stink”.
We’ll we do stink right now, but we smell better than the Buffalo Bulls today. Yes, the less bad team won on Saturday. No one is calling Pitt’s victory a turn around game!
You have the option of being critical of Pitt’s performance, pointing out the weaknesses that were evident and sulking around like we lost the game if you would like to.
But the facts are, we won the game on Saturday in misirable weather conditions and there were some bright spots in that game, besides just winning, that you could appreciate, if you chose to.
You guys can chose to be the pessimists, I can chose to be the optimist. If you bother to check my previous posts, you’ll see that I called this year’s record as anywhere from 3-9 to 9-3. Well at 3-4 I’m in that range already, so we can only go up from here.
Now am I confident that Pitt is on the right track, no I’m not. Do I have answers to Pitt’s problems, no I don’t. I’m I ignoring the obvious issues that Pitt’s future success depends on, no I’m not. Do I HOPE for the best for the Program however, YES I DO. If that makes me a blind sheep, well then I guess that I am, but that doesn’t make me a baaaaaaad person. LOL
Maybe we can say not so at Pitt games.
how could you think it was for you you must have read someting wrong. you know we all love you.
and you have been a down on them at times just like us but only when they need it,
that was for the posters who slam us if we dont think every thing is bright and sunny who think chryst is a god.
It was a compliment, not throwing you under the bus.
I give out praise when & where it is warranted.
If you scroll up, you’ll see I praised PITT’s defense for bending, but not breaking in the W on Saturday. In which I also specifically mentioned the play of Dan Mason & Jason Hendricks.
What I attempt to do sometimes on the other hand is disspell some of these notions that there is no talent on this team and that this program was in some sort of doormat total rebuilding stage.
Just a few short years ago we had our best 3 year run in 30 years and finished 2009 ranked #15.
We have been to 4 straight bowl games. There is plenty of talent on this team to be 5-2. No way we should have lost to Youngstown State or Syracuse. Now if that is griping or pissing some ppl off. Too bad !
*sends marcus a private email suggesting that Wanny did do a good job. Facts are facts. Wins are wins and final poll rankings as in #15 in 2009 are rankings. And that team was two points and one Janocko from being Top 10 and Sugar Bowl bound.
My only beef with Wanny was installing Sir Tino as QB based on nepotism, legacy and all that garbage.
