September 1, 2012

Open Thread: YSU-Pitt

Filed under: Football,Open Thread — Chas @ 8:31 am

Time to hit the road, but I’ll put this out before leaving.

The convergence of the start of school for the kids and the start of football season has been brutal. Just trying to get everything cleared away so I can get to Pittsburgh and enjoy the game and a night out. That’s my excuse for the dearth of posting leading up to the start of a new season and a (hopefully) new era under Paul Chryst.

We’ll see if Ray Graham gets any playing time. How the offensive line looks in pass protection. What Tino Sunseri can do (and how long it takes for someone to start booing him). Are the receivers going to be better when they run actual routes? And try to get a feel for what kind of head coach Paul Chryst will be on gameday.

Gametime is at 6pm. It is on ESPN3 (online) only.

Jesus christ. Leaving at 8:30 for a 6PM game? I live in Jersey and I don’t think I’d leave until 10:30 to get there.

Comment by Chris 09.01.12 @ 8:40 am

Its time for FOOTBALL. No more talking, Lets Go PITT!!

Comment by JP 09.01.12 @ 8:48 am

Chas, Quit the belly aching, it’s football season!Everything that you’ve been writing about since January, is about to start. When you’re at the game today, all those other thing don’t matter, thoughts about school, wife, and children are suspended. Embrase the moment! Hopefully it’s the beginning of a new and more successful era. Go Panthers!

Comment by Justinian 09.01.12 @ 8:50 am

Any truth that SHELL IS SUSPENDED??

Comment by Eric Rodgers 09.01.12 @ 9:22 am


Nothing confirmed, but some Pitt fans I follow on Twitter are talking about a potential altercation he was involved in a couple of nights ago.

Sounds like someone may have tried to pick a fight with him or vice versa. Apparently, Shell was not at the team hotel last night (the team stays at a hotel the night before game day to manage curfews, ensure they don’t get into trouble, etc.).

From what they’re saying, he may be suspended for today’s game.

Comment by Stoosh 09.01.12 @ 10:00 am

Keep in mind, nothing I wrote above has been confirmed. These are just accounts from some friends and fellow Pitt bloggers on Twitter who are usually pretty tuned in to these things, but they’re still connecting some dots. Nothing official from the team or the school as of yet.

Comment by Stoosh 09.01.12 @ 10:05 am

If true, smart move by Chryst to keep close to the vest.

Time for someone to step up. Opportunity knocks!

Comment by PittofDreams 09.01.12 @ 10:06 am

We all know what the questions regarding the players are, but what I really want to know is Chas’ last point – ‘What kind of head coach Paul Chryst will be on gameday?’ We also get to see how prepared he has his team for YSU and opening day in general.

I want to see a little fire from PC. Not a lot. No jumping up and down and screaming in the player’s faces, but just a little fire. I put on the press conference yesterday and dozed off within 10 minutes.

But as long as the team wins, I’ll take a boring presser any day.


Comment by pghFred 09.01.12 @ 10:48 am

Carpe’ Gwinners – “Seize the Penguins”

Let’s go Pitt!!

Comment by dhuffdaddy 09.01.12 @ 11:05 am

Yes, dhuf,………. Carpe Diem!

That’s “Seize the day,” for the non Latin speakers. I’m sure there’s an approrpriate Spartan statement, in Greek, but I can’t think of it at the moment.

Have a good time at the game!

Comment by Justinian 09.01.12 @ 11:26 am

Got my growlers filled this morning, can’t wait to get the new season underway and put last year behind us. HTP

Comment by usd121 09.01.12 @ 11:28 am

Bottle of scotch…! Tino starting QB
Backup bottle of Makers Mark…Ready

Let’s go Pitt!!!

Comment by Dan 72 09.01.12 @ 11:57 am

Damn, Dan. It’s YSU and we’re nervous already?

I am too. Very.

Watching the State game and have yet to see a tee with a picture of JoePa/Alfred E. Neuman and the question, “What’s sodomy?”

No sense of humor in Happy Valley.

Comment by steve1 09.01.12 @ 12:26 pm


Feels good to know football is back!

Comment by Kenny Powers 09.01.12 @ 12:27 pm


I’m nervous too! Being a Pitt fan for 35 years has prepared me to expect disappointment. With Pitt, it’s only a matter of WHEN, never a matter if IF…

Regardless, I’ll still be watching.

Comment by ME 2001 09.01.12 @ 2:17 pm

Rushel Shell… he is who I thought he was…

Pitt better get a mentor for him…

Comment by Joe D 09.01.12 @ 2:18 pm

Hail To Pitt Go Panthers

Comment by 63Team 09.01.12 @ 2:19 pm

Ready to begin a new era. Cautiously optimistic. Hoping for the best. Don’t like the shell rumors, not a good way to start the season, bad karma. Hope I don’t have to break out the scotch or bourbon but you never know with this program. Can’t wait for kick off, nervous, keeping thinking about bowling green a few years back. Flying the blue and gold out front, let’s go PITT!!

Comment by LUV PITTBULLS 09.01.12 @ 2:23 pm

Ohio ahead now. O’Brien looks like he’s about to puke.

Comment by steve1 09.01.12 @ 2:35 pm

Big time head coaches don’t carry a towel on their shoulde like a security blanketr.

That’s a tell.

Don’t think you’ll see PC needing a blankey.

Comment by PittofDreams 09.01.12 @ 3:01 pm

Arrived from out of town for the game….taking Beto’s to the tailgate! Talk about a culinary treat. Hope the Panthers are as good as the Pizza.

Comment by Joe Lawrence 09.01.12 @ 3:02 pm

I’ve compared Shell to being like a Maurice Clarett.

If the rumors are true, he might be more like Clarett than I would have hoped.

Comment by PittofDreams 09.01.12 @ 3:04 pm

I don’t hate ’em as much without Paterno but I still hate’em
Go Ohio. Penn State sucks!!

Comment by Houston Panther 09.01.12 @ 3:06 pm

I’ve compared Shell to Marcus Dupree…

Comment by Joe D 09.01.12 @ 3:12 pm

The Bobcat QB is playing a pretty good game.

Comment by Joe Lawrence 09.01.12 @ 3:13 pm

News Flash…

Joe Paterno is not coming back.

The Penn State mystique is now OFFICIALLY beginning to fade.

Comment by PittofDreams 09.01.12 @ 3:23 pm

Joe D…

Shell is not Dupree. But I’ll take Maurice Clarett if he ever gets on the field.

Comment by PittofDreams 09.01.12 @ 3:25 pm

A Penn State reality check…

Does anyone really think PSU would have lost to Ohio at home with Paterno still the Head Coach?

Comment by PittofDreams 09.01.12 @ 3:31 pm

Let’s hope the rumors about Shell are wrong and he shows up ready to play.

Comment by PittofDreams 09.01.12 @ 3:33 pm

do we really even need to take the field now that psu just got beat. great day! its gonna be a lonnnng 4 years for “happy” valley!

Comment by pittisit37 09.01.12 @ 3:33 pm

Time for some Balls out….Let’s Go PITT!

Hail to PITT!

Comment by Oregon_Panther 09.01.12 @ 4:00 pm

Ohio University 24-ESPN 14. Can you fathon why Frank Solich was not interviewed after the game, BUT,THE LOSING COACH WAS!!! Note to Joe D–My, you are audacious! May I suggest you don;t RUSH to JUDGMENT on in the SHELL GAME!! Let;s go Pitt, MAKE MY DAY COMPLETE. Rev. George in Columbus

Comment by Rev. George Mehaffey 09.01.12 @ 4:03 pm

Always a good day when PSU loses. Go Pitt!

Comment by Nev 09.01.12 @ 4:09 pm

Clarett played in 12 games during his college career.
Dupree played in 16 games..
Lets see how long Shell lasts.

Comment by Joe D 09.01.12 @ 4:18 pm

Shell, Gonzo, Ezell, Hale, Jones, and C. Davis are suspended.

As for Shell, he’s actually a good, smart kid who’s never been held accountable for anything and he’s finally seeing that with the hoops coach at Hopewell and Chryst.

Comment by Joe Bull 09.01.12 @ 4:26 pm

Hope those boys can get their acts together before Thursday.

Comment by Mailman 09.01.12 @ 4:28 pm

That’s at least strike two for Gonzales.

Comment by Kenny Powers 09.01.12 @ 4:37 pm

2 DL suspended — little depth there to begin with, just hope they stay healthy

Comment by wbb 09.01.12 @ 4:38 pm

Bottom line: Coach Chryst will not tolerate nonsense from his players. If the team does not get the message after today…SHAME ON THEM!!

Comment by isnore 09.01.12 @ 4:40 pm

Good for Chryst.

Seems some players have made the same mistake as some bloggers and took “easy-going” for easy.

As I previously said… Don’t mess with a guy from small-town Wisconsin who chews Skoal while calling plays from the Coaches’ Box.

Comment by PittofDreams 09.01.12 @ 4:45 pm

6 suspended? Are you kidding me? How f’n stupid to you have to be to be out after curfew when you have a big game in 2 days?

Maryland being dominated by William and Mary/ PSU crushed by Ohio…Pitt can be beaten!

What idiocy.The bizzaro Pitt Sports scene continues.

Comment by Dan 72 09.01.12 @ 4:53 pm

Joe Bull…

Shell may be a good kid. Based on what we know, smart as in “common sense” would not be an adjective that would seem to fit.

Comment by PittofDreams 09.01.12 @ 4:57 pm

Rushel Shell was kicked off the basketball team… twice… by 2 different HC’s.
He was quit the baseball team… he was about to be kicked off by Collella.
He quit the track team…
Glad to see Chryst hold these players accountable.

Comment by Joe D 09.01.12 @ 5:00 pm

Hey let’s not forget the legend of Brian Davis, I fear Shell will follow the same path, Shell is very lazy, I have to agree with Joe D on this one.

Comment by WLAT and The Big Beat 09.01.12 @ 5:02 pm

Fittipaldo reporting that the game is likely to be delayed due to weather.

Comment by Mailman 09.01.12 @ 5:13 pm

I have preached for years to my BBall teams, my daughter, and anyone who would listen…”nothing good happens when you are out after midnight” !

Comment by Dan 72 09.01.12 @ 5:26 pm

If Brian Davis played for Paul Chryst he might have made it through.

Foge Fazio was not exactly a disciplinarian.

Foge was too worried about being liked by his players.

Comment by PittofDreams 09.01.12 @ 5:32 pm

Downpour at Heinz field…
could be a mudder…. which team gets the advantage for a mudder?

Comment by Joe D 09.01.12 @ 5:40 pm

Football is football. Best line play wins.

Comment by dhuffdaddy 09.01.12 @ 5:50 pm

Run the football!

Comment by PittofDreams 09.01.12 @ 5:52 pm

Have to spend the day in the hospital, but haeve ESPN3 up on my IPAD. Let’s see how the Paul Chryst era starts.

Hail To Pitt!

Comment by Medium Panther 09.01.12 @ 6:00 pm

are we having live feed like in past?

Comment by pittisit37 09.01.12 @ 6:01 pm

What are they saying about how long this weather delay could last?

Comment by PittofDreams 09.01.12 @ 6:06 pm

off to a great start for 2012! Six players suspended and a downpour!!!

Lets go Pitt!

Comment by Coach Ditka 09.01.12 @ 6:08 pm

Mud & weather reduces talent difference.

Comment by 66Goat 09.01.12 @ 6:08 pm

A downpour 6 players suspended.
i dont like the look of things is penny a whitch.
this is not a good start to the season .

Comment by FRANKCAN 09.01.12 @ 6:09 pm

It woulc be worse. Pitt could have hired Bill O’Brien.

Comment by PittofDreams 09.01.12 @ 6:11 pm

Penn State loses at home to the bobcats in what is the first of 48 probation games? PITT is now winning the recruiting battle. PSU can’t possibly hold this thing together when you are losing at home to a MAC team in front of 100K. Only 47 more games on probation to go…

Comment by Pitt Fan In Atlanta 09.01.12 @ 6:13 pm

To whomever said above that Penn State never would’ve lost to Ohio U if Paterno was still there: no kidding! Penn State would never have scheduled a D-I team if Paterno was still there.

Comment by maz. 09.01.12 @ 6:14 pm

this is football you can play in the rainthere should be no delay this is not baseball dam pussys
in may day you played football in 6 inch of snow in rain in thunder storms in floods dam pussys
in donara they played it in killer fog so thick you could not see the ball dam pussys.

Comment by FRANKCAN 09.01.12 @ 6:15 pm

as much as i hate psu, i think bill obrien seems like the right guy for this situation. time will tell if he is or not. he knew the challenge when he took the job, and ohio didn’t get enough credit for the talent they had. psu was anemic last year on offense and will be this year as well. recruiting wise, losing your first game to ohio isn’t gonna help get any 3 or 4 star recruits. plus virginia next, could be a long 4 years.

Comment by pittisit37 09.01.12 @ 6:16 pm

47 games left in PSU’s pre-season.

Comment by 66Goat 09.01.12 @ 6:18 pm

so just how bad are conditions in Pittsburgh?

Comment by TonyinHouston 09.01.12 @ 6:21 pm

Arizona State beat Northern Arizona 63-6..
the game was played on Thursday…
how come no articles or blogs on that.. lol

Comment by Joe D 09.01.12 @ 6:25 pm

Bill O’Brien is the right man for the job at Penn State… he’s about the only guy with a strong resume who would take the job.

O’Brien is another in a line of Belichick coordinators proving just how good of a coach he is.

He’ll fill the void until the three or four years is up and PSU hires a big name to turn the program back into a winner.

Comment by PittofDreams 09.01.12 @ 6:27 pm

Yeah Boy, Ped-U lost now all we need is for Pitt to play well and get that first win. GO PITT!!!

Comment by LUV PITTBULLS 09.01.12 @ 6:32 pm

Ohio now has whupped both Pitt and Penn St. under Frank Solich and OU doesn’t admit uneducated recruits.

Comment by move_on 09.01.12 @ 6:33 pm

when did we remove the names from unis, and tino sucks already

Comment by pittisit37 09.01.12 @ 6:33 pm

I did not post abought the az state game becuse they did not play any body good wait till next game.
plus i wanted to wait and see how we did in first game.

Comment by FRANKCAN 09.01.12 @ 6:38 pm


Comment by Palm Beach Panther 09.01.12 @ 6:39 pm

Surprised to see Graham starting. I winced when he got undercut on the fumble.

Comment by PittofDreams 09.01.12 @ 6:39 pm

6 players suspended? WTH?

Comment by CNorwoodAZ 09.01.12 @ 6:44 pm

Wow….the defense looks completely lost

Comment by Kenny Powers 09.01.12 @ 6:45 pm

WVU won today 69 to 34.

Comment by FRANKCAN 09.01.12 @ 6:45 pm

Ugly start

Comment by Medium Panther 09.01.12 @ 6:47 pm

Hmmm the last coach to remove names from unis was Paul Hackett..we all know how that turned out

Comment by TonyinHouston 09.01.12 @ 6:47 pm

YSU… 7-0…
And I thought the defense was the not

Comment by Joe D 09.01.12 @ 6:47 pm

Could not be a worse start for Pitt…fumble by Greaham and then a 79 yard drive for an easy TD by YSU. Like a hot knife thru butter!

Comment by Dan 72 09.01.12 @ 6:47 pm

Tino… Tino…

Comment by PittofDreams 09.01.12 @ 6:48 pm

YSU.. 7-0
And I thought we didn’t need to worry about the defense… and the DB’s were the strongest part of the team… ouch.

Comment by Joe D 09.01.12 @ 6:48 pm

knew there was a reason why I bought that bottle of johnny walker…not the greatest start for either side of the ball

Comment by Bmore Dave 09.01.12 @ 6:49 pm

no offensive line

Comment by pittfan6 09.01.12 @ 6:50 pm

names on jerseys are good for tv viewers but pitt doesn’t get on tv much so just forget about it

Comment by move_on 09.01.12 @ 6:52 pm

Tino holds ball out while scrambling on broken play YSU refuses to take it out of his hands

Comment by Dan 72 09.01.12 @ 6:53 pm

If Tino ever puts a pass on the money we will be OK …so far recievers are having to be ballet experts to make catches!

Comment by Dan 72 09.01.12 @ 6:54 pm

Chryst is as advertised.

Tino has never looked this good… even if it is Youngstown.

Comment by PittofDreams 09.01.12 @ 6:59 pm

My fear is with Chryst calling the plays offensively, he’s gonna focus on the offense and our defense might become an after thought for him.

Comment by Bmore Dave 09.01.12 @ 7:00 pm

Easy pitch and catch for YSU on third and 7 poor secondary play so far for Pitt

Comment by Dan 72 09.01.12 @ 7:04 pm

Our linebackers blow in pass coverage.

Comment by Kenny Powers 09.01.12 @ 7:04 pm

Awful tackling and pass coverage in the secondary let’s YSU to another easy 3rd down conversion. I fear we are going to regret letting them out of the hole on the 11 yd. line. NO PASS RUSH either.Their offense is just tearing us apart. Really ugly so far on D for Pitt.

Comment by Dan 72 09.01.12 @ 7:07 pm

Gordan and Vinopal both look vulnerable at this point.

D Line starting to gell.

Comment by PittofDreams 09.01.12 @ 7:08 pm

So much for the secondary being the strength of this team…

Comment by Tossing Thabeets 09.01.12 @ 7:08 pm

Gotta find a way to get off the field on defense on third down.

Comment by Mailman 09.01.12 @ 7:10 pm

The defense looks pitiful.

Comment by 8thlight 09.01.12 @ 7:11 pm

The defense is making me SICK!!! Not looking forward to playing a FBS school…

Comment by BCPITT 09.01.12 @ 7:13 pm

the defense is horrible

Comment by goalie44 09.01.12 @ 7:13 pm

These linebackers are garbage.

Comment by Jimbo Covert's My Dad 09.01.12 @ 7:13 pm

3rd Def in 3 years – it took 3 or 4 games last year to gel. It’ll take time. 4-3 to 3-4 back to 4-3.

Comment by Tossing Thabeets 09.01.12 @ 7:14 pm

Like a knife through hot butter… YOUNGSTOWN STATE’S defense is torching us… YOUNGSTOWN STATE.

Comment by Jimbo Covert's My Dad 09.01.12 @ 7:15 pm

Thabeets…i’d buy that if Youngstown St wasn’t the team tearing us to shreds…lets hope Huxtable can get his team to react ASAP

Comment by BCPITT 09.01.12 @ 7:15 pm

YSU leads… 14-7
The surprise is the defense unable to make a stop… they look like a D-2 defense…

Comment by Joe D 09.01.12 @ 7:16 pm

Looks like the game is on Tino’s back… and he didn’t even have to ask.

Comment by PittofDreams 09.01.12 @ 7:17 pm

Defense is struggling in a big way against D 1 AA school. Not good boys (and girls). Not good at all!
On a positive note. Tino looks productive so far.

Comment by PITT Fan In Atlanta 09.01.12 @ 7:18 pm

Glass half full…

1) Pitt O has been impressive, sans the fumble

2) Major complaint about DW was lack of adjustments. Let’s see how the D adjusts. Hopefully most of this is first-game jitters.

Comment by ME 2001 09.01.12 @ 7:19 pm

Nice run by Graham.

Comment by Jimbo Covert's My Dad 09.01.12 @ 7:19 pm

Nice pass, Tino.

Comment by Mailman 09.01.12 @ 7:20 pm

Tito still can’t hit a wide open receiver on a deep ball. FML

Comment by Jimbo Covert's My Dad 09.01.12 @ 7:20 pm

Not 5 seconds after Atlanta posts that does Tino overthrow a WIDE OPEN street for a blown TD

Comment by BCPITT 09.01.12 @ 7:20 pm

BCPITT – I’m just the eternal optimist. This is a nightmare.

Comment by Tossing Thabeets 09.01.12 @ 7:20 pm

I knew I cursed him! Tino just missed a sure TD pass

Comment by PITT Fan In Atlanta 09.01.12 @ 7:20 pm

Pitts D getting shredded and again Sunseri cannot pass long to a wide open Spencer. I have now seen him connect on a grand total of 1 pass over 24 yards in 3 years. We cannot stop YSU…we better have an offense tonight.

Comment by Dan 72 09.01.12 @ 7:21 pm

Good thing Shanny’s 95 feet taller than anyone YSU can cover him with.

Comment by Jimbo Covert's My Dad 09.01.12 @ 7:21 pm

How about we lay off on Tino until our defense makes a third down stop against a DII team.

Comment by Jon C 09.01.12 @ 7:27 pm

Jon C – WORD!

Comment by Tossing Thabeets 09.01.12 @ 7:29 pm

I don’t have my contacts in but it sure looks like the YSU (D 1AA) O-line is much bigger than our front four defensive linemen.

Comment by PITT Fan In Atlanta 09.01.12 @ 7:30 pm

Jon C don’t get me wrong Tino is doing a decent job…Can’t help be frustrated when he bombs out on WIDE OPEN receivers…to Tino’s defense, he looks about 45 times better than the D does to this point.

Comment by BCPITT 09.01.12 @ 7:31 pm


Comment by 66Goat 09.01.12 @ 7:31 pm

What do ya know? We made a stop on 3rd down!?!

Comment by Kenny Powers 09.01.12 @ 7:31 pm

Finally got a stop. I was expecting Saddler to muff the punt.

Comment by Mailman 09.01.12 @ 7:32 pm

OMG a punt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Comment by 8thlight 09.01.12 @ 7:33 pm

Not to pile on Tino, but on the radio Bostic said Tino just needed to put some air under the ball and let the WR run under it.

Hopefully he’ll get it right next time….

Comment by ME 2001 09.01.12 @ 7:34 pm

Pitt must be confused and believe that those helmets have a “R” on them.

Comment by Pittstadiumshuffle 09.01.12 @ 7:34 pm

Well Pitt has nothing to be ashamed of so far. Except for the fact they are losing to a D2 school. Other than that, nothing to be ashamed of.

Comment by Jon C 09.01.12 @ 7:41 pm

Its only Tinos fifth year he still hasnt figured out to get some air under the ball…

Comment by Coach Ditka 09.01.12 @ 7:41 pm

??? Tino… Mr. Loft it up….
that is how he normally throws the long ball.

Comment by Joe D 09.01.12 @ 7:43 pm

If we’re going to play like shit could we at least wear royal blue and mustard uniforms?

Comment by Coach Ditka 09.01.12 @ 7:46 pm

FYI Slippery Rock is a D2 school

Chryst play calling shows that he has limited confidence in his QB

Comment by move_on 09.01.12 @ 7:47 pm

the stats are pretty even at half with PITT holding a slight lead in total yrds (217 vs 184). Sunseri is 11-17 for 140 yrds. Graham has 62 yrds ib 11 carries. The most important stat… YSU 14 PITT 10 at Half. I know they are one of the top D1AA teams but come on guys. It’s a D1AA team. The difference is Grahams fumble on the opening drive when it appeared that we were likely to score. Now down to one half!

Comment by PITT Fan In Atlanta 09.01.12 @ 7:50 pm

The way they are playing they don’t deserve the mustard and royal blue.

Comment by Medium Panther 09.01.12 @ 7:51 pm

Gordan and Vinopal… who are their backups?

Maybe Vinopal can turn it around. But Gordon looks to have picked up where he left off last year.

Does he understand the objective is to make a tackle and not just pursue the play?

What really scares me is the fact that I’m not nervous.

We’re losing to Youngstown at halftime — just needed to remind myself.

Comment by PittofDreams 09.01.12 @ 7:52 pm

A D2 team that was 6-5 last year.

Comment by 66Goat 09.01.12 @ 7:53 pm

It seems everyone is hung up on Tino, does anyone recall Graham’s fumble and how shitty our defense is playing?

Sunseri put the offense in a position to score on 3 of their 4 drives.

Comment by WLAT and the Big Beat 09.01.12 @ 7:53 pm

@WLAT I. Could not agree more. We are down at half time cause of bad defense and a fumble. Not Tino.

Comment by Medium Panther 09.01.12 @ 7:57 pm

I honestly can’t believe this is a game, but seeing as it is… The defense better wake it up, register a 3 & out and get something going right from the start.

Comment by DickieB 09.01.12 @ 8:00 pm

Tito’s last pass was dropped, not his fault.

This TEAM stinks.

He still did his part when he overthrew a wide open TD though. Would’ve at least been tied.

Comment by Jimbo Covert's My Dad 09.01.12 @ 8:02 pm

True, WLAT…

Street needs to make that catch on 3rd down and Holtz got tripped up by the paint on the field.

Comment by ME 2001 09.01.12 @ 8:03 pm

How about Ray Graham?

He’s out there trying to carry the team with a chunk of metal and platic on his knee… and Rushel Shell can’t even suck it up long enough to dress for his first game.

Comment by PittofDreams 09.01.12 @ 8:03 pm

somebody on here said to watch out for the OL of YSU and that they would attack our weakest link which is linebacking. I also said that PC will need to adjust to that and take LB’s out and put safetys in for coverage help. At that point the D-line needs to just win. Let’s get em in the second half fellas.

Comment by dhuffdaddy 09.01.12 @ 8:04 pm

YSU has a better QB than Pitt. That is easy to see.

Comment by move_on 09.01.12 @ 8:05 pm

Well the halftime speech must’ve been great…

Comment by Jimbo Covert's My Dad 09.01.12 @ 8:06 pm

Is it weird that I’ve checked out already?

Comment by Chris 09.01.12 @ 8:06 pm

but he missed a wide open receiver for a sure touchdown. he has got to make plays when they present themselves. missing wide open receivers is unacceptable! great quarterbacks (even good)quarterbacks hit open receivers. the offense does look more in control than the hurry up of last year..

Comment by goalie44 09.01.12 @ 8:07 pm

At least the Jets got some preseason games in before I fully checked out of the season.

Comment by Chris 09.01.12 @ 8:07 pm

Fuck my life.

Comment by Jimbo Covert's My Dad 09.01.12 @ 8:07 pm

Defense is very disappointing

Comment by WLAT and the Big Beat 09.01.12 @ 8:08 pm

LOL… did you see that touchdown by YSU…
Something out of HS football…
it looks ugly fellas..

Comment by Joe D 09.01.12 @ 8:08 pm

Hate to say… Out coached by a D1AA coach. Not good. I am not throwing in the towel but Chryst is struggling against a D1AA team. Who ever is running that defense is collecting a free pay check

Comment by PITT Fan In Atlanta 09.01.12 @ 8:09 pm

How did the YSU running back learn to put air under the ball?

Comment by 66Goat 09.01.12 @ 8:09 pm

Goalie44, Sunseri is not the problem in THIS game, bitch about the fumble or the defensive play, YSU is doing whatever they want tonight on offense, we flat out suck on defense, no pressure, no coverage and poor tackling.

Comment by WLAT and the Big Beat 09.01.12 @ 8:11 pm

Hey, who was the idiot that posted something about halftime adjustments….???

You would think that I could come to expect this, but I fall for it EVERYTIME. Feel like Charlie Brown what Lucy pulls the ball out…

Good grief!

Comment by ME 2001 09.01.12 @ 8:11 pm

I sure hope this isn’t indicative of what laid-back head-coach football looks like…

Comment by Imma Man! Im 40! 09.01.12 @ 8:11 pm

The players must think on their feet.

Comment by move_on 09.01.12 @ 8:11 pm

this is not going to end well fellas. Not looking good

Comment by PITT Fan In Atlanta 09.01.12 @ 8:13 pm

God: He’s not a Pitt fan.

Comment by Jon C 09.01.12 @ 8:14 pm

Punt the football.

Comment by PittofDreams 09.01.12 @ 8:14 pm

Defense owes the offense at turnover.

Comment by PittofDreams 09.01.12 @ 8:15 pm

Is it too soon to put an ad in the Pitt News for tryouts for Defensive Coordinator? This is an FCS team, folks!

Comment by Imma Man! Im 40! 09.01.12 @ 8:15 pm

Good call, Imma. I need a good laugh right now…

Comment by ME 2001 09.01.12 @ 8:17 pm

what is the score?

Comment by pittisit37 09.01.12 @ 8:17 pm

Is this really the level of talent we are at right now????


Comment by Coach Ditka 09.01.12 @ 8:17 pm

Saddler has been having a good night.

How about it Cam?

Comment by PittofDreams 09.01.12 @ 8:18 pm

Defensive line needs to start getting a push. Might as well blitz some linebackers, they can’t cover anyone

Comment by Kenny Powers 09.01.12 @ 8:19 pm

“Our lines are absolutely dominating this undersized D2 team”, is what I should be saying right now.

Comment by Jon C 09.01.12 @ 8:19 pm

I hate TG as you all do but i think i know why he left he knew he could not win with these players a QB who misses wide open WR.
and not enough good players on the D no LB no DB
so he said i am out of here pitt has very little
talent time to stop blameing the coachs except for being bad recruiters.

Comment by FRANKCAN 09.01.12 @ 8:22 pm

Jon C,

Good call! Bill and Pat noting that the OL is indeed starting to wear them down.

YSU 21-10 with 6:25 left in the 3rd

Comment by ME 2001 09.01.12 @ 8:23 pm

Keep the faith.

Comment by PittofDreams 09.01.12 @ 8:24 pm

gotta make plays when they are there.

Comment by goalie44 09.01.12 @ 8:25 pm

I thought mud & weather canceling out talent would be a bad thing. Looks like it is a good thing or it wouldn’t be this close.

Comment by 66Goat 09.01.12 @ 8:26 pm

Not easy to find a quality coach and coaching staff

Comment by PITT Fan In Atlanta 09.01.12 @ 8:27 pm

Is it too late to refuse our invite to the ACC and see if we can get a slot in the MAC??

Comment by Coach Ditka 09.01.12 @ 8:27 pm

So much for “coaching em up” as many of you said Chryst and crew could do!!!

Can you imagine the next 2 years???

You need good players!!
They are who we thought they were….
OLine is bad…
Dline has no depth…
LB’s… just terrible..
best person on the field is Tino… that is how bad they look!!!
I said it was going to be a cluster fuck…

Comment by Joe D 09.01.12 @ 8:28 pm

If we lose I quit Pitt football. See ya for basketball season

Comment by Tony C 09.01.12 @ 8:29 pm

so…how about that basketball team?

Comment by Tossing Thabeets 09.01.12 @ 8:30 pm

Frankcan, I have to agree. Staying another season would kill the upward mobility of a coaching arc. He cut his losses. In my opinion, this is a demographics problem with the lack of abundant talent in the northeast. The best Panther on the field is from Oklahoma. Vince Lombardi wouldn’t do much with this squad. Gotta sell the program to get southern players to Pitt.

Comment by dallas mike 09.01.12 @ 8:30 pm

Pitt has very few good players you can see that now boy have we fooled ourselves i said 10 and 2 how abought 2 and 10 that is more like it.
we have no D.

Comment by FRANKCAN 09.01.12 @ 8:30 pm

Can’t help but laugh that Tino is our best player.

Comment by Jon C 09.01.12 @ 8:31 pm

Put Shell in, repeatedly run the dive play, cram it down their throat. Win.

Screw it, if it worked against Ambridge it will work against YSU!

Comment by Jimbo Covert's My Dad 09.01.12 @ 8:31 pm

Sadly, PC will get destroyed by the perpetually negative Pitt fan base after this game regardless of the outcome. But if a D-1 team can’t get enough push to gain 1 yard on a 4th and 1, the talent isn’t there. I’m sure coordinators can game plan to make up for a lack of talent by being creative but if this team stinks, it’s on the players not PC. He inherited this mess.

Comment by ABomb 09.01.12 @ 8:31 pm

Anybody have Tom Bradley’s number for Defence Coordinator? Couldn’t hurt with recruiting either.

Just so you all know there is an once of sarcasm in this post. Though this is what you get when recruiting takes a slide. Now that slide in recruiting has more to do all the coaching changes that have happened.

Comment by Medium Panther 09.01.12 @ 8:33 pm

Several observatios
1) no one on defense has shown up today
2) Coaching is subpar today.
3) PITT doesnt want this. No energy.

Comment by PITT Fan In Atlanta 09.01.12 @ 8:33 pm

Is this truly shocking to anyone??? If it is then you havent followed Pitt athletics for the past 20 years. Granted, we all thought Tino would be the f*ck up but the rest of the team decided to lay down instead.

Comment by Coach Ditka 09.01.12 @ 8:33 pm

I have a Pitt in my stomach

Comment by Pitt2Cali 09.01.12 @ 8:33 pm

btw- do we have linebackers out there?

Comment by PITT Fan In Atlanta 09.01.12 @ 8:34 pm

Anyone else fearing Gardner Webb now???

Comment by Coach Ditka 09.01.12 @ 8:34 pm

Even on dive plays they 3 extra yards after contact.

Comment by Jimbo Covert's My Dad 09.01.12 @ 8:34 pm

I am repulsed but I can not look away.

Comment by 66Goat 09.01.12 @ 8:34 pm

thank god, only 15 more minutes..

Comment by goalie44 09.01.12 @ 8:35 pm

This is truly embarrassing. I will judge after one game. They are undisciplined, poorly prepared, and lacking in talent.

Comment by CRIMHEAD 09.01.12 @ 8:35 pm

When was the last time I said this in September?

Im turning the Pitt game off and watching the Pirates…

Comment by Coach Ditka 09.01.12 @ 8:36 pm

btw… I said Pitt would go 6-6…
but I had YSU as a “W”..

Comment by Joe D 09.01.12 @ 8:36 pm

Joe D

You can’t play it both ways… then again I guess you can.

Comment by PittofDreams 09.01.12 @ 8:37 pm

Same old PITT, feels just like last year and the year before and the year before that. WTF. Really, Youngstown St. I was kinda hoping that with Ped-U losing and with a PITT win JUST MAYBE if we had a winning season recruiting would improve and the program would improve. BUT OBVIOUSLY THAT COULD NEVER HAPPEN WITH THIS FUCKED UP PROGRAM. Ready to switch my online name back to IH8PITT!!!!!! AAAGHH, why why why???

Comment by LUV PITTBULLS 09.01.12 @ 8:37 pm

Can i get my money back for season tickets?

Comment by Marco 09.01.12 @ 8:37 pm

dallas mike you are right we need more southern
players we need better recruiters. we need HELP.

It cant allways be the coachs can it.

Comment by FRANKCAN 09.01.12 @ 8:37 pm

That would be the mighty Runnin’ Bulldogs of Gardner Webb.

Comment by 66Goat 09.01.12 @ 8:37 pm

Recruit more southern players?

I doubt most of YSU’s players are from the south…

Comment by Jimbo Covert's My Dad 09.01.12 @ 8:40 pm

We fired Dave for this? The person who should be on the hot seat is Steve P. This is his doing. Bad coaching hires and complete mismanagement of the football program since his second stint. I didn’t have a problem with his 1st stint (minus the pitt to pittsburgh thing), but this 2nd go around is and has been a complete debacle.

Comment by Medium Panther 09.01.12 @ 8:40 pm

what is going on, i don’t get espn3. do we look bad, is tino playing poorly?

Comment by pittisit37 09.01.12 @ 8:40 pm

what is going on, i don’t get espn3. do we look bad, is tino playing poorly?

Comment by pittisit37 09.01.12 @ 8:40 pm

I’m already hammered.

Comment by Jimbo Covert's My Dad 09.01.12 @ 8:40 pm

I can’t believe that Tino has given up more than 290 total yards, including three touchdown passes of more than 14 yards, to an FCS school. And no sacks either. Plus he coughed up the ball on the first drive. He better thank his stars every day that he’s a legacy.

Comment by Barvo 09.01.12 @ 8:40 pm

I guess Pitt has to hold them to a field goal. Eek.

Comment by Mailman 09.01.12 @ 8:41 pm

YSU has the better MAC players.

Comment by pittstadiumshuffle 09.01.12 @ 8:41 pm

Game’s over…
time to go watch something else…

So much for “coach em up”… now you understand why i bitch about recruiting..

Comment by Joe D 09.01.12 @ 8:42 pm

Please never let Gordon start another game.

Comment by PittofDreams 09.01.12 @ 8:42 pm

Panther fans, remember the days of Paul Hackett and Majors II, well it looks like we are on the way back to those good ole days, Paul Chryst can’t recruit and I think tonights performance really just speaks to itself regarding his abilities.

This team is going to struggle all season, they cannot stop anyone.

Quite frankly it looks like another bad hire and another lost season

Comment by WLAT and the Big Beat 09.01.12 @ 8:42 pm

Just tuned in. Wow it’s going to be a long season…

Comment by The Atlanta Panther 09.01.12 @ 8:42 pm

I thought it was going to be bad, but this is… insane. I have no words for how embarrassing this is.

Comment by bob 09.01.12 @ 8:42 pm

is it safe to say that our program has now hit rock bottom?

Comment by pittisit37 09.01.12 @ 8:43 pm

Where does ESPN get these goys?

Comment by pittstadiumshuffle 09.01.12 @ 8:43 pm

This was a good reminder of why I havent been back to a Pitt game since the Miami pasting two years ago. And why I wont contribute my hard earned money toward season tickets any more to watch this garbage.

Comment by Coach Ditka 09.01.12 @ 8:44 pm

i think we need to give coach chryst some time to bring his guys in, he is playing with sloppy seconds and turds, i mean thirds.

Comment by pittisit37 09.01.12 @ 8:44 pm

This is where Chryst being much less than a dynamic recruiter will really hurt Pitt. The product on the field based on this game will be quite bad all year. He is not good at selling kids as it is, and now what does he really have to sell if this is what the kids can expect – losing to a FCS school?? If we do have a 3-8, 4-9 type season, I can easily see the few high recruits we do have (Chapman, Clement, etc) go somewhere else rather than get themselves into this mess.

Tough times ahead I guess – at least I won’t get emotionally invested in this season at all. I’ll wait until basketball season to care.

Comment by Mac 09.01.12 @ 8:45 pm

At least Penn state gets to lose on national TV, we are getting stomped by and FCS school on ESPN3 ESPN3 ESPN 3 !!!!

Comment by Coach Ditka 09.01.12 @ 8:45 pm

I will say this abought the coaching the team did not look ready to play the players arent that good we fooded our selves but even bad players can give it there all and the coachs did not get that out of them so that is on the coachs.

Comment by FRANKCAN 09.01.12 @ 8:47 pm

Chryst = Paul Hackett
I am sick!

Comment by PITT Fan In Atlanta 09.01.12 @ 8:47 pm

If the whole season is like this it would be unthinkable for Pedersen to NOT be fired.

Comment by BATR 09.01.12 @ 8:48 pm

ESPN3?? We keep losing to FCS schools our next broadcast will be on ESPN4.

What an embarrassment.

Comment by OliviaPitt 09.01.12 @ 8:48 pm

Sad. Just sad.

YSU??? I thought we had a defense! Offense isn’t much better.

And the worst part, I’M OUT OF BOURBON!!!! Good thing I had a 1.5L of a nice Syrah.

Comment by pghFred 09.01.12 @ 8:48 pm

Defense is slow and not very fast either. Let’s just get out of here with no injuries and concentrate on trying to win the Big East.

Comment by Pitt Dad 09.01.12 @ 8:49 pm

When does basketball season start? Pitt is now officially a basketball school.

Comment by CalvinHobbes 09.01.12 @ 8:50 pm

Damn it Sunseri! That is two open TD that you have over thrown! You are a senior for goodness sakes!

Comment by PITT Fan In Atlanta 09.01.12 @ 8:50 pm

OKAY OKAY first game… maybe they’ll be better in the next one… ehhhhhhh

Comment by The Atlanta Panther 09.01.12 @ 8:51 pm

Team effort on this one. I only have 10 fingers to point and can find more than 10 things to point to.

Just unreal…

Comment by ME 2001 09.01.12 @ 8:51 pm


Comment by The Atlanta Panther 09.01.12 @ 8:51 pm

too bad we gave up that last td… wed be right in it. fcs championship here we come

Comment by The Atlanta Panther 09.01.12 @ 8:53 pm

OMG…..WTF !!!…..This is the results of abysmal recruiting . September 1st and seasons over before it started ! Chryst & Huxtable stealing our money also. What recruit would go to Pitt for this ? Blogging on Pitt football has become a waste of effort. See you guys again in basketball season – 0 & 11 !!!

Comment by ROCKY20 09.01.12 @ 8:53 pm

wow a touchdown!!

Comment by goalie44 09.01.12 @ 8:53 pm

EMel are you drunk yet.

Comment by FRANKCAN 09.01.12 @ 8:54 pm

The defense still owes the offense one.

Comment by PittofDreams 09.01.12 @ 8:54 pm

look we gotta give chryst a chance he is playing with sloppy seconds and turds, i mean thirds. give him a chance to get his guys to school and rebuild. we have hit bottom and now can only go upward. we all knew this was going to be a bad year, buy yourselfs a copy of ncaa 2013 and come live in my fantasy world that i create making pitt a powerhouse

Comment by pittisit37 09.01.12 @ 8:54 pm

i am holding out hope

Comment by The Atlanta Panther 09.01.12 @ 8:56 pm

there is no hope. this is disgusting

Comment by The Atlanta Panther 09.01.12 @ 8:59 pm

Our defensive front 7 is pathetic. It aint about coaching. They are getting handled, HANDLED, by a 6-5 I-AA team. They are soff, like I’ve never see defenseman so soff like them.

Comment by Kenny Powers 09.01.12 @ 8:59 pm

Every damn year. This sucks. I’m out.

Comment by Nev 09.01.12 @ 9:00 pm

Wow….we… are… Duke.

Comment by Palm Beach Panther 09.01.12 @ 9:00 pm

I shut it off.

Prediction??? I meant to say 3-9, not 9-3.


No effort. No fire. No nothing.

Turrible, just turrible.

Comment by pghFred 09.01.12 @ 9:01 pm

can we just hire the ysu coach?

Comment by The Atlanta Panther 09.01.12 @ 9:01 pm

I’ve been watching Pitt football for two decades now, and I have to say that this is probably the worst, most embarrassing loss I’ve seen. Just pathetic.

Comment by Swinging Gate 09.01.12 @ 9:03 pm

YSU 11 of 14 on third down, Tino should be pulled from this game he can’t tackle anybody out there. Where was the report on how horrible this defense wasgonna be

Comment by steve h 09.01.12 @ 9:03 pm

Good thing we sealed the deal with the ACC for 2013 before this turd (didn’t we?).

Even so, they still might call an emergency meeting to rescind their invitation, dropping Pitt to join the Patriot League — where we clearly belong.

Comment by Imma Man! Im 40! 09.01.12 @ 9:03 pm

And a warm welcome to our shiny new head coach, Paul Hackett, errrr, Chryst.

Comment by Imma Man! Im 40! 09.01.12 @ 9:05 pm


Any reasonable person would read your post and laugh. While I consider myself reasonable in most cases, I will buy into the “we’ll get better from here” line.

Meanwhile, I know I’m setting myself up for failure, but I can’t help it. I love Pitt FB, more than it deserves!!!

Comment by ME 2001 09.01.12 @ 9:06 pm

Pitts record against MAC teams is only 2-2. Pitt would not have been able to win the MAC in the last 7 years. And now down to a D1AA team.

My earlier prediction on Pitts season was 5-7

Comment by move_on 09.01.12 @ 9:07 pm

This loss is 100% on the coaches. Especially the DC who will not be available for a post game interview because he will be in the locker room changing out of his soiled pants.

Comment by HbgFrank 09.01.12 @ 9:07 pm

It is about coaching.

The biggest mistake by the coaches, Huxtable mainly, is that they mis-evaluated players who obviously are much better practice players than game players.

You’re going to see some major changes by Thursday.

Hopefully changes for the better.

Comment by PittofDreams 09.01.12 @ 9:07 pm

You know what Todd and Penni Graham are saying…

Told you so!!!!

Comment by Joe D 09.01.12 @ 9:07 pm

Chryst certainly deserves some blame for this debacle. But the players are most culpable here. Both lines have been god awful. And the linebackers CANNOT MAKE TACKLES. It’s absolutely infuriating.

Comment by Swinging Gate 09.01.12 @ 9:08 pm

26 rushing attempts? 26!!!!!!!!!!! And Tino is still aloof on the field of play.

Comment by Digdug 09.01.12 @ 9:09 pm

“what can you say about a 25 year old girl who died?”

Comment by Dan 09.01.12 @ 9:14 pm

Only one game… Got to tighten and toughen up

Comment by Pitt2Cali 09.01.12 @ 9:14 pm

paging Dr. Tom, paging Dr. Tom, “there isn’t enough Scotch in Scotland”!!!!! LOL

Comment by Dan 09.01.12 @ 9:14 pm

Coach Ditka, can I take my 10-2 and Orange Bowl prediction back. C’mon, how about a mulligan for old tymes sake????

Comment by Dan 09.01.12 @ 9:15 pm

Everybody associated with coaching this crap sandwich should be fired before they leave the stadium.

Comment by Imma Man! Im 40! 09.01.12 @ 9:16 pm

I posted the following above, about 7 into the topic much earlier this afternoon:

‘We all know what the questions regarding the players are, but what I really want to know is Chas’ last point – ‘What kind of head coach Paul Chryst will be on gameday?’ We also get to see how prepared he has his team for YSU and opening day in general.’

I guess we have our answers.

Comment by pghFred 09.01.12 @ 9:18 pm

Joe D

Honestly, man… recruiting had something to do with this debacle?

You are right that you’ve got to recruit big guys and guys who can run to compete in the big time.

But tonight Pitt proved speed and athleticism isn’t everything.

Coaching means something.

Chryst has four days to turn it around and show something. Maybe not a win, but marked improvement especiailly on defense.

Knowing what I know about him, he’ll get it done.

Comment by PittofDreams 09.01.12 @ 9:19 pm

Huxtable doesn’t give a s**t. He’d rather be in Waukesha.

Comment by steve1 09.01.12 @ 9:20 pm

Bitch about recruiting Joe? YSU had a bunch of no stars beating a bunch of 3,4 and 5 stars. It is not about stars. It is about big uglies and desire. You win the game in the trenches.

Reed and Chas will look back at this weeks comments and I was the only one that said Pitt was not good enough to look past any opponent and listed some of the ysu talent. I hate like hell to think I was right because I wanted to be wrong. The suspensions for this weeks behavior showed that the players were looking past their opponent. Good news is that it is going to be a short week.

Comment by dhuffdaddy 09.01.12 @ 9:20 pm

LMAO!! Told my brother in law walking into the stadium, wish some of these people would quit reveling in the Ped State loss, karma’s a bitch.

I said this out loud, so it wouldn’t happen to us, and of course, I knew it couldn’t!!!!!!

Comment by Dan 09.01.12 @ 9:21 pm

This goes to show you how overrated recruiting “stars” are. And I’m talking about that much vaunted D-line. They were annihilated tonight.

Comment by Swinging Gate 09.01.12 @ 9:23 pm

The lose of 2 recruiting classes really showed but there’s no excuse to lose to a IAA school. Is there really any hope left for this season?

Comment by KRF 09.01.12 @ 9:23 pm

Maybe the cupboard on defense really is that barren. I suppose it’s fair to blame the coaching staff for the scheme on D, as well as their selection of players, but if people can’t see that our front 7 got destroyed by YSU, then I don’t know what to tell ya. Who was riding the pine that should’ve been playing that actually would’ve made a difference? Price and Thomas are hurt, Ezell is suspended, other than that, these are the guys Pitt is going to have to play D with.

Comment by Kenny Powers 09.01.12 @ 9:23 pm

Dan and outhers here is how i see it.
A we have very few good players or.
B we have coachs that suck or.
C we have very few good players and coachs that suck.
eather way we are doomed and are recruiting so far
is great if we were in the MAC.
and becuse we are not we are screwed.
and i cant even say wait till BB becuse i did that last year and look how that turned out.
were is tha ledge we are doomed.

Comment by FRANKCAN 09.01.12 @ 9:25 pm

Ahhh, like a fine wine or an aged Scotch, or classic cinema, you just put this on the shelf and really enjoy knowing that you have it and can pull it out any time you want.

I’m gonna put this right on the end, right next to TOLEDO, OHIO, and BOWLING GREEN!!!!!

Comment by Dan 09.01.12 @ 9:26 pm

Well, I’m looking at the bright side: no more foolish talk of 8, 9, 10 (???) win seasons.

I was skewered for saying I saw 6-6 as overachieving, but that was based on my “expectations” for Tino the Magnificent. If THIS is the defense, we’ll win one game (maybe none): Gardner Webb. That’s it.

Comment by Imma Man! Im 40! 09.01.12 @ 9:26 pm

6 head coaches over 3 years + 1 AD + 123 years + ass kicking administered by YSU = Same old Pitt.
Time to face facts.
Pitt must drop football.

With that sage advice, I ride off into the sunset.
Adios fellas.

Comment by SFPitt 09.01.12 @ 9:26 pm

@FRANKCAN, I’m going with the totally laughing about it, and enjoying the spectacle of it method for dealing with it.

Because, I really don’t feel like vomiting tonite!!! LOL

Comment by Dan 09.01.12 @ 9:28 pm

This is all about the players inabilities and the lack of team leadership. Can’t lay this one on the coaching staff when the lineman choose to bellyrub and the receivers like Street drop the ball and fumble and of coarse Sunseri who forces the coaches to call for 2 yard deep pass routes and misses wide open receivers for would be TD’s.

Comment by move_on 09.01.12 @ 9:28 pm

look atht ebright side — Tino wasn’t sacked once…. wasn’t that the problem??

Comment by wbb 09.01.12 @ 9:28 pm

Hey, they didn’t tell us CROSBY was at QB, and MALKIN was at flanker!!!!!!

Comment by Dan 09.01.12 @ 9:30 pm

Did you see Steve Pederson’s interview at halftime? He looked like a guy whose team was winning by 2 TDs, not losing.

Why? Because he’s got a get-out-of-jail free card: he didn’t hire this guy, didn’t want this guy. And he’ll get to hire his own guy after Paul Hackett, err, Chryst, gets trash-canned after going 1-11 this year.

Comment by Imma Man! Im 40! 09.01.12 @ 9:30 pm

This is not to blame Tino… but… in a game when your defense cannot get a stop you cannot afford to blow any opportunity to score.

At least two touchdowns ended up as divots in the turf tonight.

Tino is not to blame… the defense clearly is.

But let’s put everything into perspective.

Comment by PittofDreams 09.01.12 @ 9:30 pm


Comment by neil 09.01.12 @ 9:33 pm

This will be a good excuse for Paul Zeise to revisit his list of Top 10 Worst Losses in program history: this stink bomb goes right to the top of the list.

If 13-9 was a boon to recruiting, this will be the death of it. The bizarro 13-9.

Comment by Imma Man! Im 40! 09.01.12 @ 9:33 pm

The coaches this program has employed have been nothing to write home about. But I’ll reiterate what I said earlier, the lions share of blame has to fall on the shoulders of the players on the field. Let’s face facts, this roster just isn’t very good. The only real strengths I see are at running back and tight end (and maybe the secondary). The depth and quality of every other position ranges from mediocre to below average.

Comment by Swinging Gate 09.01.12 @ 9:34 pm


Comment by Neil 09.01.12 @ 9:36 pm

@ Everyone jumping ship…

Good riddance

Comment by Pitt2Cali 09.01.12 @ 9:36 pm

@wbb, actually, I thought he played half-decent. He overthrow yet again, but, in general he looked a lot calmer.

The defensive line got no push, the offensive line got no push.

Street, what’s his deal??

3rd and inches, you sweep, go wide. Ya, I know it worked the couple times before, but 3rd and inches, c’mon, that’s football 101.

Didn’t like the end of the 1st half. 55 seconds to go, YSU in their own territory, they run, no gain or even a loss of 1. You had 3 timeouts. Start calling them, and make them punt the ball, anything can happen. (but, I guess I’m just too into details.)

Sickening, I’m done going over the minutiae of what is wrong. I’m going back to my Scotch and one liners!!!

Comment by Dan 09.01.12 @ 9:37 pm


Comment by Neil 09.01.12 @ 9:38 pm

But as bad as this loss was, to call for Paul Chryst’s head at this point is slightly irrational, IMO.

Comment by Swinging Gate 09.01.12 @ 9:39 pm

@Pitt2Cali, I’m not jumping ship, but I ain’t got no problem with anyone that does.

Waited all summer for this?? About as low as it’s been.

Except for Johnny Majors II, it hasn’t reached that point yet, but, hey, the year is young!!!

Comment by Dan 09.01.12 @ 9:40 pm

For those that wanted DW fired because he couldn’t “win the big games”, I hope you enjoy not even being able to win the little games this year.

Comment by FitzPanther 09.01.12 @ 9:40 pm

As to the younger fans, the line I quoted from above, comes from a book, entitled ‘Love Story’,

a story of bittersweet love.

Good night all, running out of one liners, and I really don’t want to get into the game itself!!

One for the ages friends, one for the ages!!!

Comment by Dan 09.01.12 @ 9:43 pm


you live in cali? Couldn’t live ’round here to leave a stamp like that on comment. your eyesight 20/ROSE. jump the cliffs, b.

Comment by Neil 09.01.12 @ 9:43 pm

Sometimes you need an ass kicking to wake up. Pitt got its comeuppance. Let’s forget this game and move on. Afterall, we are still in first place in the BE.

For those who gloated on earlier posts about Penn State’s loss to Ohio, we should not throw stones…


Comment by MariettaMike 09.01.12 @ 9:46 pm

I am so sick and tired of being a fair weather fan of this football team. We deserve better!!!!!

How many guys are getting a free ride to play football and they can’t even stop a YSU team with less than half the facilities and amenities Pitt has.

All about hard work and pitt doesn’t do it.

Comment by Jason 09.01.12 @ 9:47 pm

@FitzPanther… Doesn’t change the fact that Wannstedt sucked, he sucked at the Dolphins, he sucked at the Bears, and last year his defense in Buffalo collasped the second half of the year, no, he’s medicore at best. He steeeenks!!!

Comment by Dan 09.01.12 @ 9:49 pm

Well, if we’re going to dredge up the corpse of the Wannstedt Era, then I think he deserves some blame for tonight’s loss. This roster is largely his handiwork after all.

Comment by Swinging Gate 09.01.12 @ 9:50 pm

@FitzPanther, and brother, let’s not re-write history. Dave has a couple of those classic wines, Scotches, and classic cinema on the mantle!!!!

Walt Harris—–Toledo

Wanny———–Ohio, Bowling Green


Hell, Wanny’s even leading the pack!!!! LMAO!!!

Comment by Dan 09.01.12 @ 9:52 pm

We all know that Chryst inherited a sh** show. Keep the faith. Good things to come!

Comment by Oklahomeboy 09.01.12 @ 9:52 pm

Johnny Majors II has a couple for the mantels too, with those 76-0 thrashings, but, hey, he was snookered half the time, plus, he’s friggin’ Johnny Majors. For what he did for Pitt, he gets a pass.

Ok, now I’m done. Enjoy the banter!!!!!!!!

Comment by Dan 09.01.12 @ 9:56 pm

no calling of Chrysts head. The play was pathetic. Big bad D line was owned. O line not much better. Tiny was actually ok. This team better wake the fuck up.

Comment by Pitt Is IT 09.01.12 @ 9:58 pm

Pitt YSU
1st Downs 23 17
3rd down efficiency 11-16 7-13
4th down efficiency 1-1 1-2
Total Yards 381 369
Passing 177 239
Comp-Att 14-24 19-30
Yards per pass 7.4 8.0
Rushing 204 130
Rushing Attempts 46 28
Yards per rush 4.4 4.6
Penalties 1-8 2-30
Turnovers 0 2
Fumbles lost 0 2
Interceptions thrown 0 0
Possession 35:10 24:50

Comment by Pitt Dad 09.01.12 @ 9:59 pm

Serious problems here. This means we can’t compete with schools that play football for fun, not profit.

Comment by steve1 09.01.12 @ 9:59 pm

This is not about PC or recruiting. The players are soft and lack heart. Football is a game of emotion. I always go back to chaz Noll, who indicated that it wasn’t up to him to motivate the players, that is their personal job.

I think this actually bodes well for Paul Chryst. Hopefully, the lazies move out and are replaced by his players. He will be fine ladies, but someone else shouldn’t be.

Steve Pederson should shoulder the majority of this mess as he caused it with his inability to bring stability to a program that desperately needed it. He has allowed the players to have excuses for poor results. He has no free pass here and I don’t expect him to be around at this point next year. Wake up Nordy.

Comment by dhuffdaddy 09.01.12 @ 10:00 pm

If the administration allows this program to turn into Johny Majors 2 or Paul Hackett they should just kill the football program. Now I don’t believe that will happen. Though the next person on the hot seat should be someone in the admin. Since Walt left its been a slow decline from mediocrity. Now here is the good part for Pitt YSU is better than more than a few teams in the Big East. Bad part is YSU is not better than many in the ACC.

Comment by Medium Panther 09.01.12 @ 10:00 pm

Oh. Excuse me. The first column is YSU, the second is Pitt. Other than the two lost fumbles and time of possession, not much difference. Well, other than the final score. Which is all on the defense. Slow. Slower. And lacking the desire to tackle when and if they do catch up with someone. That can be fixed.

Comment by Pitt Dad 09.01.12 @ 10:01 pm

Looking at the bad losses Dan posted, man….we really suck against the state of Ohio

Comment by Kenny Powers 09.01.12 @ 10:07 pm

Buffalo gave Georgia all they could handle today so they will be another game Pitt will struggle to win. Buffalo is a weaker MAC team so Pitt has a couple of wins from them but the Panthers usually lose to the MAC. Toledo, Bowling Green, Ohio.

Remember Sunseri was not recruited by one MAC team because they knew that he was not a D1 player but Wanny got suckered.

Today YSU fielded a better QB than Pitt and every other player on the field outplayed their Pitt opponent. Pitt really does suck who’s players are more concerned with their weave or their tattoo’s or their twitter account. It will take another year of flushing the toilet to get the program on track.

Comment by move_on 09.01.12 @ 10:09 pm

Tino played a good game, certainly well enough to win. We got out coached. On a forth and one they pitch the ball five yards straight back and both safeties bite. If they pitch it down the line I get being suckered, but straight back? Well coached players know that is a pass play. We have a fourth and less than one and run a slow stretch handoff four yards deep? Good coaches don’t ask their RB to gain four yards against a stuffed box when only a half yard is required. Good coaches figure out a way to stop the spread, not give up 200 yards rushing to team that we should have worn down and dominated. I’m not saying our coaches won’t turn this thing around, but on this night the YSU coaches took them to school!

Comment by HbgFrank 09.01.12 @ 10:14 pm

Yes, the team was outcoached… the defense non-existent… and Tino while he did not actually lose the game he did not win it either.

But, the real blame for this debacle has to be “Sweek Caroline.”

When you’re trailing going to the fourth quarter and they start playing that song… it’s OVER!

Comment by PittofDreams 09.01.12 @ 10:20 pm

YSU has talented players who were better than Pitt today.

Comment by move_on 09.01.12 @ 10:23 pm

Should be fun to watch this team get embarrassed on national TV

Comment by Dylan 09.01.12 @ 10:24 pm

What in the hell has Chryst been doing for the past nine months? Looks like we’re in big trouble; the football program becomes an even bigger embarrassment.

Comment by TonyinHouston 09.01.12 @ 10:25 pm

Giving up 31 to YSU. Pathetic!! Hackett was another Bear Bryant compared to this mess. More like Dave Hart. We fired Wanny why?

Comment by Houston Panther 09.01.12 @ 10:25 pm


You’ll have a lot of room to stretch out at Heinz. Enjoy.

Comment by TonyinHouston 09.01.12 @ 10:28 pm

And to think that Pitt had to pay at least $600,000 for YSU to come to Pittsburgh on the bus and kick their asses.

Comment by move_on 09.01.12 @ 10:35 pm

If you ever wondered what the definition of OY VEY
is take a look at tonight’s debacle.

I fear for the safety of our players against Cincy and Va Tech. If we are as soft as the jello that was on the field today Dr. Freddie Fu will have to work double overtime..we were just plain whupped.

Comment by isnore 09.01.12 @ 10:38 pm

We have had three coaches in three years and we get the same result. I’m thinking it’s the players. If we can get some players that actually want to compete, we might have half a chance out there. I’m glad they are all in a pro style system that they were recruited for, but you still need to block, tackle, not fumble, and actually play with some effort.

Comment by NYPanther 09.01.12 @ 10:48 pm

Anytime u have three head coaches in three years, three different defensive schemes, crap happens like tonight. This team needs stability then they will turn the corner. Losing two starting d lineman didn’t help either.

Comment by pvv 09.01.12 @ 10:54 pm

I’m wondering if all the coaching changes are part of the problem. As frustrated as I feel about Pitt FB, I haven’t spent the last 3-4 years sacrificing my body and soul for it like they have. I have to wonder if they feel like “here we go again” just like many of us do?

This program needs some stability. I sure hope PC shows a lot of improvement during the year. If Pitt ends up firing the AD and (another!) I think my head will explode.

Comment by ME 2001 09.01.12 @ 10:57 pm

Stevie P should have his contract renewed.

Pitt has achieved a true rarity in college athletics…PEREMANENT MEDIOCRITY!!

Comment by isnore 09.01.12 @ 11:02 pm

@ME Coaching changes or not. A I-A school was continually BLOWN off the line on offense and defense. At some point a player’s pride has to come into it. Maybe these guys are not that good.. Maybe these DW players that we have been watching are just soft. Maybe PC knows this and he wants to recruit players that are mentally and physically tougher than what we have now. That’s a lot of maybe’s–guess that’s what happens when you get embarrassed at home

Comment by NYPanther 09.01.12 @ 11:04 pm

biggest upset of the day and possibly the season

Comment by move_on 09.01.12 @ 11:05 pm

Ranking my most cherished losses during my Pitt experience over the last 15 seasons:

10.) Utah @ Fiesta Bowl 2005 (2004 season). 7-35

9.) Miami @ home 2010. 3-31

8.) WVU @ home 2010. 10-35

7.) Oregon State @ (Sun Bowl) 2008. 0-3

6.) South Florida @ Home 2001. 26-35

5.) Toledo @ Away 2003 31-35

4.) Ohio @ Away

3.) Bowling Green @ Home

2.) Youngstown State I-AA @ Home 2012. 17-31

1.) Cincinatti. @ Home 2009. 44-45

There are just too many that I can’t forget …I’m becoming a USC fan! Please free to add to this list!

Comment by Marco 09.01.12 @ 11:05 pm

home, showered, and feeling physically better. haven’t read posts and will do it in the morning. i’m sure there’s a lot of game analysis.
i want to talk about the game day experience… it sucked. the rain didn’t help and may have been onerous to the overall quality. wtf? i was only prepared because i’m old and remember my mother always wanting me to be prepared. (remember rubbers when they had multiple uses and meanings?)
glad to see some pitt identifier at mid field. much better than the chalky white.
but what happened to the pregame band show? no horns to announce their arrival? no smoke and mirrors as the drumline came out and performed to the students? and let’s not forget some rendition of the fight songs.
and boo to the students. i’d like to start an alumni “shame party.” i’d like to show up with a large group of alumni and chant “shame”, “shame”,… maybe point some fingers.
but that’s just me.
i’m sure we’ll need them even more in future years.

Comment by pittkeith 09.01.12 @ 11:13 pm

Each loss was so painful for its own reason… Cincinatti: if we win BCS bowl we had game won all day till last 45 seconds, worst loss other than 1992 Pirates I’ve ever witnessed!

YSU: it’s a division I-AA program holy shit,

Bowling Green: killed allof the momentum from previous year and MAC school,

Ohio: MAC school great way to start Dave era,

Toledo: shot our chance for BCS..we were loaded that year too,

South Florida: they only established a football program 3 years earlier,

Oregon State: most boring game ever!

It just goes on and on and on. At least we are consistent!

Comment by Marco 09.01.12 @ 11:14 pm


I’m not making excuses for their play. They were SOFT today, no doubt. But I wonder if they have just quit on the whole thing? I agree there needs to be some roster turnover, but that will take time – like a few years.

Why do I feel like its 1993 all over again??


Great list… I guess I can call it “great.” The one that is missing for me is the loss at UConn during DW’s last season. I was one of the few people who thought that DW was about to turn the corner. Most people I knew had already realized he wasn’t the answer. After that game even I had had enough. I was all in favor of letting him going after that season.

Too bad SP can’t find a significant upgrade. You would think that would be easy….

Comment by ME 2001 09.01.12 @ 11:17 pm

Does anyone know if there’s a place to find the post game news conference. I’m assuming they had one. I would love to see how PC reacted to this debacle.

Comment by NYPanther 09.01.12 @ 11:29 pm

That was one of the most heartless performances I’ve ever seen. It’s almost difficult to put into words what I watched tonight. The defense showed no pride whatsoever. I’m astounded by how inept they looked.

Comment by PatMac 09.01.12 @ 11:48 pm

Random thoughts brought on by tonight’s loss…

1) SP must go! Was indifferent to him but now see he is killing the FB program

2) I’ve been a “spread offense” guy for a while, even more so now

3) I liked the hiring of TG. He turned out to be a jerk, but we need a culture change at Pitt.

4) TG is smarter than us, he knew this team has no talent

5) TG also knew the FB gets very little support from the administration

6) Please do not tell me how Pitt needs to get back to SMASHMOUTH football ever again. The college game is NOT the NFL.

7) I actually felt bad about not renewing my season tickets for the firs time in 5 years – not anymore!

I have more, but I can’t type as fast as my head jumps from topic to topic.

Comment by ME 2001 09.02.12 @ 12:10 am

Hate to say this but High Octane would have won this game 50 to 31. When you don’t have the talent you run the spread. How about some of that HS offense that was run last year.Alot of the same players. This team is a joke!

If you cannot beat Younstown it has to be all coaching. So much for the brilliant OC that knows how to coach players up for a game. This game will be great for recruiting. Looks like the ACC will be getting another doormat to go along with Duke.Also what was up with the suspensions?

Glad I had another committment and glad no one wanted my tickets.

Comment by JP 09.02.12 @ 12:12 am

Totally agree. Good old smashmouth football that many of you wanted to return to does not cut it unless you have pro type players. We want Pittsburgh Football! Right. Give me the WVU scheme anyday. 17 total pts. against a team like that, we love that run it down your throat mentality.yeah right!

Comment by JP 09.02.12 @ 12:16 am

6 suspended before the game! Defense stunk! Thought defense was going to be a strength except for the linebackers! Lackluster effort overall! Tino was apparently adequate but the effort and execution around him was lacking. I didn’t get to watch this game which was a bit annoying ahead of time but now lucky me! Apparently the behavior problems of DW’s final year and the disgruntlement of the players with tg’s program and their under performance last year may represent an ongoing lack of seriousness on the part of a significant number of players regarding being a part of Pitt’s d-1 football program. I’ll bet some perhaps most of the suspended players are not part of the program by the end of the season. And this may not be the last disciplinary action taken to address this attitude/behavior/inattention problem. If I’m right and if Coach Cryst is able instill the appropriate attitude and work ethic in his core of players and if necessary get rid of a bunch of others (regardless of talent) and recruit his type of players then we are likely looking at a much better and more competitive team in his years 3 and 4 and even better beyond that. This year and next are likely to be rough. If he can’t do this then many of you have vividly described where we are headed. In the meantime what we need to do is support the coach and look for signs however small (e.g. transfers and recruits who appear to share team based positive attitudes and a readiness to work hard) and at times contrary to what we would like to see (e.g. x number of players kicked off of team), that may indicate progress. I get the feeling that PC inherited problems much greater than we knew and taking the time to fix them is necessary before we see results in the W-L column. So hang in there guys and gals. I’m trying! HTP!


Comment by opfim 09.02.12 @ 12:38 am

More stuff…

8) Is it just me or does the national media seem to be treating WVU differently now that they are in the Big 12?

9) Would Geno Smith be a Heisman candidate if he was in the BE?

10) I thought the NCAA should have banned PSU from TV but I was happy to watch them in their come-from-ahead loss today

11) I’m glad Pitt was on ESPN3, not a lot of people got to see how bad this was.

12) I might actually root FOR Todd Graham. If people see he’s a good coach, maybe they will wish up to the other troubles that seem to plague the AD at Pitt.

13) As a Pitt fan you can EXPECT Pitt to WIN on Thursday. Then lose the next 2, that’s the way it works around here…

14) I’d love to be one of those people who say “bring on basketball” but that didn’t work out so well for us last year

15) My Pitt degree is worth more and more every year we move up in the rankings. I doubt I’d even get into the engineering school today, not with the class rank and SAT scores I had. But I got mine now and loving it, thanks!

16) Watching OU at UTEP. UTEP has the coolest stadium, but their uniforms are UGLY!

Comment by ME 2001 09.02.12 @ 1:08 am

This loss, at home, to a Division I-AA Youngstown State (I refuse to take part in the FBS/FCS nonsense) is worse than the Bowling Green loss under Wanny, and almost as bad as the 72-0 blowout to Ohio State under Johnny Majors in 1996.

I don’t care that YSU is ranked #13 in I-AA. I don’t care that Paul Chryst is a new head coach. I don’t even care that we’ve had four coaches in our last 16 games. That was absolutely pathetic. I believe that Division I-A teams have something like 15 more scholarship athletes than those in I-AA. We supposedly have an All-America candidate on the defensive line in Donald. Neither he or anyone else on the front line even sniffed the jersey of the YSU QB all night. Check that, he was hit … once. And completed the pass for a first down anyway.

The Penguin RBs were rarely molested until 4 or 5 yards past the line of scrimmage, and then our LBs were grasping at tackles from behind. Pitt’s secondary, supposedly a strength of the team because it’s filled with veterans, was awful. YSU WRs were open on every play — and they were very easy to hit with passes because the QB was never pressured. It was like a 7-on-7 drill out there, with a red jersey for the QB.

Tino actually didn’t play as badly as I expected him too. He played well enough to almost win this game, if the defense was remotely competent. Yes, he had a couple of over-throws … because Tino is terrible at throwing the deep ball. He had a bad overthrow of Devin Street in the first half of what should have been an easy TD. But Street has some serious effort problems … and then fumbled any chance we had to possibly win the game in the 4th quarter.

I live in Chicago and was invited to see Pitt vs. Notre Dame by a friend. I don’t think I’ll go. I’d love to see old friends, but I don’t think I should drink as much as I’d need to drink to endure the game and drive the 2.5 hours back home. I don’t see how we win even 3 games if what we saw tonight is as much as 75 percent of what this Pitt team will be. They are going to have to make huge strides to beat anyone, and should not be favored in a single Big East contest.

Comment by Jim Lakely 09.02.12 @ 1:09 am

I normally post positive things. It’s hard after today. But…

We are 0-0 in the conference. We are the most talented team in the conference! Rushel Shell and RAY GRAHAM…

We have the best returning defensive team in the Big East. No school in our conference can stop our secondary at all. A game managing QB like Sunseri will get the job done.

Finally, we have the loyal sons of PITTSBURGH!!! Forget this game – it doesn’t matter. Win the Cincinnati game and no one will care about anything else.

Comment by Brian 09.02.12 @ 1:49 am

I was in Erie all day visiting family, so I didn’t get to the game and actually ended up missing all of it on radio, save the postgame. Got updates during the game via Twitter thanks to some friends at the game, so I at least had an idea as to what was going on. Some thoughts…

1. This is the thing about college football. There is no preseason. There’s no way to measure yourself against someone else until you start playing games that count immediately. There are no preseason for us to watch and analyze.

We take what we can glean from a glorified scrimmage played in the spring, preseason magazines and some camp reports from beat writers. We fill in the blanks on our own with guidance from things like “star rankings” and “returning starters” and kind of guess where the team is going to be.

But until that first game, we have absolutely no idea what to really expect. We have no idea how these kids will really fit into the system, or in many cases, what the system will even look like. And as we’ve seen, this holds true even when coaches and players ARE familiar (see the Bowling Green loss).

2. So I think when we see a game like this, it may help hammer home some very ugly potential realities about this team. Namely, this is may very well be what the culmination of “three coaches in two years” looks like.

That’s not necessarily Chryst’s fault, as he can’t help what came before him with Wannstedt, Haywood and Graham.

And that’s not necessarily the players’ fault, many of whom when they joined this program between 2008 and 2010 couldn’t have possibly anticipated what would transpire with the coaching staff.

MOST of these players were too young to contribute to a 2010 team that underachieved, costing that head coach his job as he lost control of the program. MOST of these players that joined or stuck by the program in 2011 put their faith and football futures in the hands of a man who turned out to be nothing but the personification of the worst parts of this “industry”.

And most of those players who played in this game today didn’t have the luxury of the same “lateral” transfer that Graham exploited, so they stuck by at this level, trying to make it work under a third coach, in most cases, the second of which did not recruit them.

3. Those may not be excuses as much as they simply may be factors in what happened in the opener.

And if this was the reality, the other part of this is that teams tend to get better as seasons go on.

As OPFIM mentions above, there will likely be growing pains and it’s pretty safe to assume that not everyone will find themselves along for the ride. This is an incredibly young team in some facets to begin with, especially among the front seven on defense.

Chryst has been an instrumental part of some very good teams and has played significant roles in developing players. Given his history at Wisconsin, I think it’s safe to say he knows how to handle this and that it often doesn’t happen overnight.

4. As I’ve said before here, Walt was given the benefit of the doubt when it came to building his program. Wanny was given the benefit of the doubt when building his program, despite going 1-4 to begin his tenure. Chryst should get the same.

5. Rushel Shell, it’s time to grow the eff up. Vestal is no longer around to bail your ass out of trouble.

6. Does anyone know…Was T.J. Clemmings hurt? I checked the game report on the Pitt website and he didn’t play.

Not putting this all on Clemmings, but it’s just disappointing to hear about the D-line getting blown off the ball while also realizing previously-heralded recruits like Hale, Clemmings and Murphy occupy DL spots.

Comment by Stoosh 09.02.12 @ 1:57 am

This is the best defensive team in the Big East? Give me a freaking break. We are the WORST team in the Big Least. We’re the worst BCS team in the country. Should’ve hired Tomsula instead of Huxtable

Comment by TonyC 09.02.12 @ 4:05 am

The names weren’t on the jerseys so I couldn’t tell who did what, but things I did notice were:

1. The vaunted d-line was getting pushed around all night. Didn’t hear the names of D-linemen called all night. Aaron Donald All American??
2. Were there any LB’s on the field? #44 is terrible, and #3 looks like a DB in build and size. All of the LB’s were terrible
3. Thought the DB’s were the strength. They can’t cover anyone… slow, slow, slow, slow.
I like the effort by 41 but he can’t cover, and neither can #9
4. If you can’t gain one foot on YSU don’t blame the coach. Show some pride as an O-Line.
5. Tino wasn’t terrible… a couple of bad throws, but he played good enough to beat a 1AA school.
6. That Graham fumble was a big play… then to allow an 80 yd drive is embarrassing.
7. Devin Street should be benched immediately

I could go on, but why bother?

Comment by Done 09.02.12 @ 4:22 am

Anthony Gonzalez should be immediately kicked off the team. How many chances do we give this dope? Chryst needs to send a message right away.

Its clear this team is not talented enough to redshirt anyone. Get the young guys on the field and let them contribute. Tino CANNOT throw over 20 yards, something thats might important when you’re down 18 in the 4th quarter. Its time to end the Anthony Morelli Jr, I mean Tino experiment.

Every player and coach should be absolutely ashamed of the effort they put forth last night in front of fans that paid to see it.

Comment by Coach Ditka 09.02.12 @ 6:02 am

So Pitt established that it would finish at least second in Missouri Valley Football Conference. You guys are always looking at the glass half empty. The curse of Tino continues. I’m with Coach Ditka, play the kids and build for the future. Are we really going to start ACC play next year with an inexperienced QB?

Comment by Pittastic 09.02.12 @ 6:35 am

Enough for excuses. This was YSU. NO more chances or excuses, great senior leadership also!! 5th year qb, Recipe for PITT, Tino can’t put a ball out better than 15 yards, play conservative and get back to that Pittsburgh tough style football (it makes me sick everytime I hear this), other team packs the box, no where to go, score 17pts. against a D-11 team, can’t control a D-11 spread formation, loose 31-17!! What do you think a D-1 team would do? This is not the NFL where 17 may win a game. Unless you are USC, OSU, Ala. or a couple other SEC schools with loads of NFL talent you cannot play this type of fb.

Comment by JP 09.02.12 @ 7:32 am

To Pittastic :
I expressed the same sentiments on QB going into ACC play ever since Voytik signed his letter of intent. Freshmen QB in weak Big East was doable .
Chryst was right to take the disciplinary actions, of the 6 suspended the loss of Ezell hurt the most, there was no push by the D-Line.
Linebacking is weak and it was magnified by the lack of push by the D-Line.
Game day coaching was ok the only play calling fault I had was the deep handoff rather than a QB sneak with 4th and a half a yard.

Comment by spindler's spirit 09.02.12 @ 7:41 am

Wow, one of the worst defensive performances I have ever seen. Miserably outcoached. Linebackers are as bad as advertised.

Made Tino look above average.

Going to be a long year.

Comment by gc 09.02.12 @ 7:44 am

Some of us compared Chryst to Chuck Noll. Same demeanor (quiet, but blistering tough when necessary), and teacher of fundamentals. Noll was 1-13 in his first year. He did not win until he got Bradshaw (and didn’t win as much without him).

YSU spotters called in our plain vanilla defense alignment and their QB looked to their sideline and called the play just before the snap. Had Pitt simply showed one defense and changed just before the snap, we would have stopped them cold.

Our coaches clearly had other things on their minds before the game (discipline), and really underestimated YSU. Thought we could win on talent alone. Players too. Mailed it in. Of such things upsets are made.

Steve Pedersen had Chryst forced on him by an influential benefactor. This creates long-term subtle problems. Fraud Graham hinted at this.

On the bright side, we certainly gave Cincinnati plenty of reasons to underestimate us!

Comment by 66Goat 09.02.12 @ 7:46 am

Hey, good morning everyone!!!

It’s go time, been waiting all summer, it’s finally here!!

We have two flags up at our tailgate, one in the old Pitt script, one with the present Pitt logo.

Stop by, just burgers, dogs and hot sausage, nothing big, but the beer will be cold, the Scotch will be old, and anyone from Pitt Blather is welcome to stop by.

Ok, let’s get a big win to start the new era!!!!

Hail to Pitt!!!!

Comment by Dan 09.02.12 @ 7:51 am

Needless to say, I’m terribly dissapointed with yesterday’s game. None the less, I still think Paul Chryst will do a good job over time. This was a a wake up call. Hopefully they will respond.

Comment by Justinian 09.02.12 @ 8:16 am

You know, when I started this I was going to post some amazing rant. But who cares? This is what we are. I dont care about coaching, I dont care about the athletic dept, I dont care about Heinz field, I dont care about recruiting anymore. There are so many things terribly wrong right now that you just have to stop following along and find something else to do.

Comment by Eric R 09.02.12 @ 8:17 am

The ghost of Dave Hart now haunts Pitt football. Looks like this is the year Rutgers hangs 60 points on us. At least in Hart’s era, we actually played some tough competition. Tell me, please, you football experts, how is this defense going to improve?

Comment by TonyinHouston 09.02.12 @ 8:30 am

I hope all that wanny gone finally understand why that was the worst decision of this athletic department since 1996. Tell me honestly would you rather be 8-4 or 9-3 every year like the last 3 years wanny was here or have 45 coaches in 2 years and be completely outplayed by a 1-aa school? For some reason most Pitt fans want b, so this is the reality of that decision. Yeah Dave really had to go because the program was lost-what are we now?!?!?!?!?!

Comment by John 09.02.12 @ 8:34 am

“Steve Pederson should shoulder the majority of this mess as he caused it with his inability to bring stability to a program that desperately needed it. He has allowed the players to have excuses for poor results. He has no free pass here and I don’t expect him to be around at this point next year. Wake up Nordy.”

Agreed. But, Nordy has one foot in retirement, he won’t make any major moves walking out the door. Hell, Nordy is the major reason Stevie P came back for a second stinit.

Comment by pittbluegold 09.02.12 @ 8:51 am

“i want to talk about the game day experience… it sucked.”

Absolutely agree. This is on Stevie P. It’s shameful.

Comment by pittbluegold 09.02.12 @ 8:53 am

There are some references here and elsewhere blaming SP for the loss? I think he is responsible for a lot of issues with the program and he has not provided any stability for the program but when you have a I-AA team control you like that, it’s more of a player/coach issue. There’s lots of blame for last night’s embarrassment to go around but on my list, SP is third – – but I’m willing to change my mind.

Comment by CalvinHobbes 09.02.12 @ 8:55 am

YSU scores 31 and Maine last year scores 29. D1 AA schools own our defense.

I don’t know how the reporting out of camp said our linebackers were athletic and Vinopal had a very strong showing in camp. D-line should be strength. Not even close. Vinopal looked lost out there. Linebackers were just a complete mess. I believe YSU linemen moved faster than the LBs.

As for the offense, I thought Tino played well. He did enough to win the game. The guy who I thought really crapped out, Street. Drop pass on 3rd down stopped late 2nd quarter drive. 15 yard penalty after Pitt gets a first down killed a drive in 3rd quarter. Fumble late 4th killed any chances of Fordham like comeback.

I just think the whole team looked like crap. No emotion on the sideline or field. Well one guy looked like he got it and wanted to kick some ass, Dan Mason. He looked pissed off and looked like he wanted to take someone’s head off. Pacing back and forth was his helmet on while making fists. I feel so bad for this guy. Had to be hard to watch your teammates play with no heart and all he wants is to get on the field to lay someone out.

Comment by why me 09.02.12 @ 8:58 am


Funny, man. Thanks for the chuckle…needed it.

Comment by BATR 09.02.12 @ 8:58 am

“I hope all that wanny gone finally understand why that was the worst decision of this athletic department since 1996. Tell me honestly would you rather be 8-4 or 9-3 every year like the last 3 years wanny was here or have 45 coaches in 2 years and be completely outplayed by a 1-aa school? For some reason most Pitt fans want b, so this is the reality of that decision. Yeah Dave really had to go because the program was lost-what are we now?!?!?!?!?!”

I was a BIG Wanny supporter, but did agree that we were stuck in mediocrity and that a change was needed. (I just didn’t like the way he was fired, thanks Stevie P). Maybe I was wrong. Yes, it’d rather finish 8-4/9-3 every year with some goofball games than watch what I’ve seen the past 2 years. Eh. Again, shameful.

Comment by pittbluegold 09.02.12 @ 9:01 am

Some of the arguments are here are completely ludicrous. First of all SP was not playing the game yesterday; the players were. Cut some slack to Chryst! It is his first game as a head coach; we all knew what he was inheriting yet we continued to build up false hope that we would be better. We are rebuilding gentleman. Look at the damage that has been done to this program just due to the coaching changes. Chryst needs to put his schemes and players into place for him to succeed. This current group has already proven to us they are underachievers. So the results should come to no surprise. Should we lose to Youngstown State, no, but we did now we move on. If i was chryst though what i would do is admit to rebuilding and put the core players that are on his team and going to be on his team in place to get experience. This is one game and not the end of the world.

Comment by pittisit37 09.02.12 @ 9:02 am

As many of you have said, it’s not that this team lost but it’s HOW this team lost. Lack of motion, kinda like their caches personality. It will be a long time until we see a competitive product on the field. Just wait until next year when those ACC teams get ahold of us.

Comment by DJS 09.02.12 @ 9:02 am

Yes, Stevie P is not DIRECTLY responsible for the loss. But he is the leader of the athletic department. He is responsible for parking gaffes, terrible marketing, lack of gameday environment, changing our traditions, isolating fans, etc, the list is long and well known.

Comment by pittbluegold 09.02.12 @ 9:05 am

When down 28-10 it was nice that the scoreboard reminded us that the next home game was vs va tech!! I’m sure frank Beamer won’t prepare his team better than Eric wolford. I’m seeing 76-0 flashbacks………..,

Comment by John 09.02.12 @ 9:14 am

Bring back the stache!!!!!!!!!!

Comment by John 09.02.12 @ 9:16 am

Pitt Fans. Here is you PITT coaching staff. Pay close attention to the Defensive coaches as they collected a pay check yesterday for work that was subpar.

link to

We can come up with a ton of reason for why things didnt go our way (weather, overthrown passes, 3rd down conversion, etc) but in the end the player must execute and the DEFENSE DID NOTHING to help this team out yesterday AGAINST A D1AA team. Coaching alone should have given us some result against D1AA. The high school play that got YSU at TD on the 4th down conversion is evident of poor coaching / anticipation.

The Defense must get markedly better and it starts with coaching! Not on Chryst yet but he might want to sit down with the D.C and D-Line coach and have a frank discussion.

Comment by PITT Fan In Atlanta 09.02.12 @ 9:17 am

The “P” does not stand for Panther today. I hope this team gets a heart transplant w/in the next 5 days. 4th & inches ARE YOU SERIOUS

Comment by DC33 09.02.12 @ 9:25 am

I guess it doesn’t matter who the coach is…we still suck at playing football…ugh

Comment by pitt-for-life 09.02.12 @ 9:26 am

I don’t want to read anymore that Chryst and crew will coach em up!!

We need good players damit!!

So, get out there and recruit…
btw.. anyone notice Chryst doesn’t have fire in the belly on the sideline??

Comment by Joe D 09.02.12 @ 9:32 am

I am always positive & always post positive but DAMN IT I can’t take it anymore. I can’t believe pitt (yes lower case) can’t pound the ball against YSU. A spread offense runs for 240 yds. There is more juice-fire on this site than on the field. I CAN’T TAKE IT ANYMORE!! DAMN IT!!!!!!

Comment by DC33 09.02.12 @ 9:50 am

Give Tino a bye. He was able to put up 17 on the mighty Pens!!Cut me a break.

Comment by JP 09.02.12 @ 9:53 am

Not going to be a big year for ticket scalpers.

Comment by Jimbo 09.02.12 @ 9:57 am

Midnight madness 6 weeks away.

Comment by Boubacar Aw 09.02.12 @ 10:04 am

What miracle is going to take place between today and Thursday in Cincy?

Let’s not beat areound the bush Pitt has very little in the way of talent in too many key positions. I will give the coaches a pass in the next 2 games because our Division II team will simply be destroyed.

The only thing that will enable Pitt to become a decent team again (7-5 or 8-4) will be recruiting, recruiting, recruiting. The ACC will
eat this collection of pansies alive. In this environment and with a coaching staff not known to be able to recruit high level talent we are in for some Hart/Hackett years. Imagine Pitt vs. FSU, Miami, Va Tech, Ga Tech(option offense), Clemson….WOWEEE!

Even mighty Maryland won yesterday against the Tribe of William & Mary.

The only thing that will end the mismanagement era of Stevie P will be an EMPTY Heinz Field on game days.

Comment by isnore 09.02.12 @ 10:11 am

Somewhere in Arizona… Todd and Penni Graham are laughing their asses off!!!
Saying, told you so… the problem was the players… no heart… no skills…

Comment by Joe D 09.02.12 @ 10:14 am

The defensive line play was abysmal…what happened to T.J. Clemmings last night?

Was he on the rolling suspended player list too for the YSU game?

Comment by Vic Money 09.02.12 @ 10:17 am

Having to suspend six players didn’t help matters at all. It probably was a huge downer to the players on the team. But that’s on the players. Does anyone know what they actually did?

Everyone says the D should have stepped up but we all knew that the D has some of the worst linebackers ever. I’m sure if Todd Thomas and Price were out there it would have been a different story. But you have a really thin defense against an experiences spread offense. That can always spell trouble.

The real problem to me was the offense. If you only score 17 points against a FCS team you deserve to lose. An FCS team with a new offensive coordinator. The offense just looks uninspired and slow. I remember when Wanny was still coach and there was a group of us on here arguing that the team needs to go to a spread offense to help minimize differences in talent. Sorry to say, but a Todd Graham coached team doesn’t score only 17 points against a FCS team. I think Pitt messed up in picking Graham because he is scum but was right in trying to change the philosophy. All you people who think smash mouth Pittsburgh football works anymore are completely off base.

Comment by Wardapalooza 09.02.12 @ 10:18 am

we are doomed no players no coachs no recruits that are any good.
as mutch as i hate TG i can see why he left he knew he could not win with these stiffs.
at least with TG you thoughtyou could win like the iowa game.
this loss was like daves loss no effort that is the coachs fult they were not ready to play we suck .

Comment by FRANKCAN 09.02.12 @ 10:18 am

move on pitt fans, tg is gone, wannstedt is gone, haywood is gone, majors is gone, walt is gone. we have a new coach that deserves the chance to prove himself. im sick of hearing references to the past especially tg, come on already, you want tg as our coach!? a guy who flew town in the middle of the night. its obvious we are passionate about our school, but really we need to stop living in the past and making comparisons to past coaches, calling for coaches to come back, etc.
what is the deal with price’s medical redshirt, is it necessary, or can we remove it?

Comment by pittisit37 09.02.12 @ 10:28 am

We are now back to the Good Old Days—–


UCLA 63 Pitt 7
WVU 38 Pitt 15
Pitt 14 William & Mary 3
Syr 50 Pitt 17
Navy 17 Pitt 16
AirForce 27 Pitt 14
Miami(Fl) 48 Pitt 0
NDU 56 Pitt 7
Army 26 Pitt 0
Penn St 65 Pitt 9

I am Pitt Class of ’63 and watching our lack of heart and effort yesterday makes me believe that we are going to experience one of the most disaterous seasons in the history of Pitt Football.

Last but not least///6 players suspended for the first game of the season tells me all that I need to know…we have way too many players receiving a free education … I would rather have walk-ons who really want to play and play hard like Chris Wuestner than the load of LOW CHARACTER garbage that is in our locker room. SHELL WAKE UP!!!

Comment by isnore 09.02.12 @ 10:38 am

There is very little talent on this team, you can’t coach up players who cannot compete. They were soundly beaten by YSU, not tOSU, It’s going to be a long season, the defense is inept and there is no depth on this team. You cant sugar coat last night and Joe D is right but I only give Chryst 2 years because this year is going to be a disaster and next year will be worse, it sucks to be a Pitt football fan.

Comment by WLAT and the Big Beat 09.02.12 @ 10:42 am

OK, so these kids have had four head coaches in the last 20 months, basically taking reps in three different systems. Tino continues to find new ways to define “average at best”. I don’t know if this guy can turn the program around or not, but it can’t get any worse than last night. The season will now be defined by any visible progress between now and December. If the product on the field is the same in 90 days, Houston we have a problem.

Comment by wally 09.02.12 @ 10:56 am

On a positive note, D1AA wins (or losses) don’t count for (or against) the 6 D1 wins necessary for post season bowl eligibility.
I hate losing to USU or any team for that matter but after venting for 18 hours I have decided to move on.

Next up: UC on thursday night. Everyone now knows who can play and who can’t. Time to put the best 11 on the field. Time for the coaches to give yr team a chance to win.


Comment by Pitt fan in Atlanta 09.02.12 @ 10:58 am

An overthrown Tito Sunseri pass to a wide open receiver streaking down field just landed in my front yard here in Florida… I’m going back to bed.

Comment by Jimbo Covert's My Dad 09.02.12 @ 11:08 am

Pitt fan in Atlanta,

They do count.

The rule is if you have more than 1 win against a 1aa team only 1 of them counts towards your 6 wins for bowl eligibility.

Comment by Jimbo Covert's My Dad 09.02.12 @ 11:09 am


Unlike the other “shocking” upset losses of the past (Ohio, Bowling Green, 01 USF) this was against a 1aa team and IT WASN’T EVEN CLOSE.

We got our asses handed to us.

Comment by Jimbo Covert's My Dad 09.02.12 @ 11:12 am

The defense was horrible yesterday. I’d say a lot of these players don’t believe they can win with Tino at the helm. Chryst is the new coach, he has a built in excuse to go in a different direction, start Voytik, let him get the experience he needs to get ready for the ACC.

Comment by Pittastic 09.02.12 @ 11:14 am

Sure the players suck or most of them but there was no get up and go no playing hard.
no effort no real will to win and that is on the coachs they did not have the team ready to play
they were not fired up so the coaching sucked
bectse even bad players can play hard and we did not . so it is on the coachs.

Comment by FRANKCAN 09.02.12 @ 11:28 am

Tino was not the problem last night. For Tino, he played fairly well. Even if he did throw a better ball to Street, based on how he played last night, Street would have probably dropped the damn ball. How about this for an obvious statement, the defense was nothing short of awful. ZERO pass rush. ZERO explosive plays. ZERO adjustments. Let’s hope things get better fast. Hopefully they will because there is a lot of football to be played. As always, HTP.

Comment by JAM05Pitt 09.02.12 @ 11:30 am

Tino not the problem at all. This is on the d and quite frankly everyone that wanted wanny out. You reap what you sow, and right now those folks have ‘sowed’ an irregular shirt that wouldn’t sell at pants n’at!!

Comment by John 09.02.12 @ 11:32 am

Pittastic, agreed. I was really questioning Huxtable all night – his defensive calls were not aggressive – playing corners 7-8 yds off pre-snap for a YSU 3rd and 5, not giving different looks pre-snap – our D got set and YSU coaches called play, didn’t seem like we attacked with blitzes… nothing. The players quit on him.

Comment by Pittfan92 09.02.12 @ 11:33 am

Tino’s leadership? Tino didn’t fumble twice or give up huge chunks of yards or drop passes, Tino missed a few open recievers but Tino did not even remotely cost them the game, btw I am no Sunseri fan but let’s not bash him for the sake of just bashing him.

The problem last night was poor preperation and horrible game day coaching along with a defense that couldn’t stop the little sisters of the poor.

They were dominated by a FCS team and their defense couldn’t stop YSU do you really think it will stop UC or VT or ND or anyone?

I can’t wait to see if Pitt can beat Gardner Webb, anyone going to that game to witness that possible historical moment?

Comment by I have seen enough 09.02.12 @ 11:34 am

Wow, that was really ugly from all accounts.

Had a feeling the Defense was going to be a major problem, when I posted several posts about the lack of experience among the Front 7.
All these camp reports saying how good the defense was going to be, was based on what??? (lol)

You have 6 unknowns of the 7 starters and Donald was moved to a different position. He was effective as a DE, you don’t know if he’ll be effective inside. If last nite was any indication, move him back outside immediately !!

Ezell, what can you say, here’s a kid who was supposidly impressive in camp, wins a starting position and then goes out and negates pretty much everything he did to win the job in camp. Had to have some impact with the team psyche.

The line-backing, oy vey, what can one say about that mess, when your most experienced player is Shane Gordon with 2 games under his belt. That’s going to be a nightmare all season imo. They are not suddenly going to get a whole lot better as a group. What’s going to happen is; they most certainly will be exploited more as the season rolls along. This group doesn’t have a clue and Huxtable didn’t look to minimize their impact much by replacing one of them with another DB in the nickle much, even though YSU completed passes at will. If YSU can roll to almost 400 yards, your looking at 500-600 yds. regularly against this pathetic defense.

So here’s whats funny (not really, but u know), with this pathetic defense, your ONLY chance of winning is by OUTSCORING THE OPPONENT. lol
And wouldn’t the spread (without Tino I’m talking) have a lot better opportunity, given the talent level on this team, to produce more points than the opposition than this Wannstedtian offense.

And of course last but not least, we can’t have a game go by, where our 5th year(God it seems like 10th yr) 25 yr old middle aged QB doesn’t overthrow, underthrow one to two sure TD passes.
Fittipaldi mentioned two sure TD passes in his blog on this occasion.

Please quit scheduling these small Ohio schools, they’re kicking our butts and making us look like a mid-tier MAC school. Smiley just say no to Bowling Green, Toledo, Ohio & YSU from now on.

I’s also like to revise my 7-5 pre-season prediction. This team will not beat Temple nor Rutgers or Uconn. So the revision is now 4-8.

And turn the lights off on your way out tonight, cause you’ve certainly turned the lights off regarding the PITT football program !!

Maybe we should change Veritas et Virtus to:

Oy Vey !

Comment by Emel 09.02.12 @ 11:34 am

Well, we’re here. This is a first. We’re the very first ones here, setting up our tail gate.

Geez, the parking attendant isn’t even here yet.

Did see some YSU fans all dressed in their red, coming out of church of all things.

Going to church on a Saturday yet, good for them!!!

Like I said, Pitt script flag and present Pitt logo flags up.

Nothing big, but the hot sausage is home made. My buddy processes it. Fantastic!!!

Hot, sweet, and he does an extra spicy one with jalapenos, habaneros etc. etc. Not for the timid.

Ok, time for predictions.

Pitt 45
YSU 10

Again, all Blather friends are welcome. Only 6 of us here, got enough food for 30, way too much.

Stop by!!!!!!!

Comment by Dan 09.02.12 @ 11:39 am

On Anthony Gonzalez suspension, kick his a… off the team already.

Comment by Pittfan92 09.02.12 @ 11:42 am

This is year #3 where we’re questioning the heart of this team…These players have been through the ringer and are a victim of circumstance as much as anything but they do not play with passion, intensity or a sense of urgency.

We’ve had two “lost” recruiting seasons of which two different types of players were recruited – one for the spread and attacking defense, the other for a pro-style offense and conservative defense. The senior leadership is lacking and they really haven’t had many role models that last few years. It’s full on rebuilding time – like it or not.

As has been mentioned previously, both lines are very weak. The LB position is slow and ravaged by injuries with no depth. Our best WR last night (Shannahan) is slow even by TE standards. The supposed “strength” of the team (DB’s) were completely embarrassed.

In the next few weeks I would not be surprised to see an out with the old and in with new approach.

Chryst doesn’t really have much control over the current roster but he does with future rosters and he cannot afford a third straight “lost” recruiting class…this game won’t help those matters.

Comment by Tossing Thabeets 09.02.12 @ 11:45 am

Oh I still think we’ll beat Gardner-Webb (lol) for sure. A guy down here in the Carolina’s told me (this was before yesterday) that Gardner-Webb is like a bottom tier FCS (D2)school. So while it might be a close game, I think our boys in Blue & Gold will come out on top.

This would be a perfect game to play Voytik the whole game, as this team is not going anywhere, we might as well plan for the future and surely they can beat a bottom tier D2 school with Voytik as well as Tinny.

This team will get destroyed in the ACC, with it’s present makeup ala Maryland last year under Edzel.
Pitt & Cuse will be vying for being the other Duke in football to balance out the two divisions.

Now more than ever you do need a SALESMAN to sell this program. We shall see how this all unfolds.
But there is nothing wrong with being a Salesman, our most recent great era was led by two pretty good salesmen, both from the South. Majors & Sherrill.

HTP !!
GRP !! (Get Rid of Pederson)

Comment by Emel 09.02.12 @ 11:51 am

“If the product on the field is the same in 90 days, Houston we have a problem”


We know how bad it is right now. The only thing that matters moving forward is: “Do they improve?”

I’m personally tired of the “best chance to win today” BS. I mean, what’s the worst that can happen? You lose to YSU?

You hear this stuff and begin to understand why “coach” = “gym teacher” most of the time….

Play the young talent. I don’t care if they’re old enough to drive, vote, or drink. If you don’t KNOW who the talent is, you need to resign Because THAT’S YOUR JOB!!! Again, the WORST thing that could possibly happen is that you lose to a team like YSU, and you just did that…

Comment by thestumper 09.02.12 @ 11:53 am

@thestumper-“Again, the WORST thing that could possibly happen is that you lose to a team like YSU, and you just did that…”–Yes exactly. Why not try out Voytik and other freshman or underclassmen? It can’t be any worse than what we saw last night. I have a very hard time believing that the same guys we watched for 3 yrs are going to improve and win the weak BE. Try new guys, hell take someone out of the stands if they can actually play with heart. It was like watching YSU play a football game and our guys were merely standing in front of them annoying them a little bit.

Comment by NYPanther 09.02.12 @ 12:04 pm

Are you in a time warp Dan-o ??

I’m thinking this reminds me of 1991-1992 minus Alex Van Pelt. Shell of a team leftover from the Gottfried years (in this case Wannstedt years), coached by a supposed Offensive genius with no prior Head Coaching experience, Paul Hackett (and now Paul Chyrst, this is getting scary). Think the previous years team was 6-6 just like last year. (cue up the exorcist music Tubular Bells)

And neither had much experience at all in recruiting or any Western Pa ties. We know how Paul Hackett turned out, he wasn’t such an offensive genius after all and couldn’t recruit worth a lick and that led to (Majors 2). Who God Bless Johnny for taking that job, given that the Hackett years had left the cupboard almost completely empty. It did result in Oval Jaynes being pushed out. If that’s what it takes to rid ourselves of SP. so be it.

Yes I think it’s that bad !

Comment by Emel 09.02.12 @ 12:09 pm

Can anyone give me a reason that Tino should play any more this season? At this point there is nothing to lose playing anyone else back there. I can’t believe I have reservations to see this abomination of a team play in Tampa on Dec 1.

Comment by OrlandoAlum 09.02.12 @ 12:17 pm

voytik if he can stand it if it wont shater his
mind i say play him and i say sit the two starting wr and play the young players see if there is hope or not.
infact play all the young ones look to the ACC becuse the older players have no firein side them.
might as well see if there is hope for next year.

Comment by FRANKCAN 09.02.12 @ 12:20 pm

Could the lack of intensity, lack of fire this team displayed be a result of the Tino the Poison Pill theory. (this was also displayed in that God awful dreadful performance in the Bowl game against an average C-USA team, SMU)

I’ll roll this Poison Pill theory out and see what ppl think.

These players have seen Tino handed the job 3 years running now. They know some other QB on the roster WOULD ACTUALLY give them a better chance to win. Would ACTUALLY bring some excitement and enthusiasm to a dead looking, dead playing team.

Yet the higher up muckety mucks keep annointing Sir Tino the job. I mean they(the players) had to think to themselves, after that horrid performance in the annual BBVA thing in Birmingham. that someone, anyone would be put in at QB and see what they could do with the first team on a consistent basis. Getting all the reps with the first team. BECAUSE WE KNOW WHAT TINO CAN’T AND CAN DO BY NOW. In year 10 on campus (haha).

We know he can’t lead you from behind, EVEN AGAINST a D2 team. We know he can’t hit a wide open WR over 15-20 yds.,streaking towards the Endzone. We know his decision making is not very good. We know his scrambling abilities are laughable, routinely running into his own O-linemen. We know his leadership skills are not good. We know he throws temper tantrums. We know he’s allowed to talk back to the Coaches and NOT be benched. We know he blames everyone else but himself. And here’s the kicker, we as players know come Gameday Tino despite all his shortcomings, will be the QB.

That’s gotta be quite depressing if I was a player.

And that’s my Poison Pill theory :-)

Comment by Emel 09.02.12 @ 12:27 pm

Solution – If I were Paul Chryst for a day, I would not have allowed the kids to go home after the game. I would have had a 12:01am practice today (last night) and run them mercilessly so that they could be sore today (something they should have experienced if they played hard yesterday, but didn’t). I would run with them to show I was in it with them and that I too, didn’t have the best day.

Second, look at the film individually on every player. Call them out personally in one on one meetings and show them their respective film. Explain that the effort displayed will never be tolerated again and then physically destroy the tape in front of the player, tell them its over and start preparing for the next game. Pitt players are not good enough to give maximum effort on every play.

Third, the six players that were suspended, need to be taken to the woodshed. Each should be required to give a talk to the team about how they let the team down by looking past their opponent and acting selfishly this week and not preparing. Actually, if any of those kids has leadership skills they should want to address the team without being forced too.

Fourth, I am fine with this loss and it is just that, a loss. Next game is Thursday. It will be interesting to see if there are any leaders on this team. We do know it is not Tino. The team doesn’t respond to him, never have. It’s not time to panic, but it is time to get true freshmen, playing time, starting with the qb. Not that Tino played terribly last night, but I swear, the receivers don’t give maximum effort because they don’t trust Tino can deliver the ball accurately and when he does, they just aren’t ready.

The good news for Pitt is that Cincy’s OL is not as big. The defense needs to run blitz constantly and put pressure on the cincy qb or it will be a long night. Pitt can turn this around quickly. Last night wasn’t coaching it was simply not having heart and not playing with a chip on your shoulder. I would not be surprised to learn that YSU had tshirts under their game jersey that read “you took my scholarship from me” written on it. Pitt players think they are better and athletically they are. They just don’t have the mindset of champions and hearts of lions. Just sayin and not being a hater. Pitt will be fine ladies!

Comment by dhuffdaddy 09.02.12 @ 12:32 pm

That has to be in the mix, for surely ANY college team would come out fired up to play with intensity, given that it’s a new Head Coaches debut game at home against a penned(mind you, not penciled in) in W (that would be YSU)

Any High School team would come out fired up and play with intensity given a new coach, you would think. Unless said coach had no motivation skills and was boring as hell (just sayin)

Unless,,,,see Poison Pill theory above ^^^^

Comment by Emel 09.02.12 @ 12:38 pm

Must also consider the deflation of emotion with the announcement of 6 player suspensions right before game time. This was a shared loss by all. Expect cincy to load the box thursday and make tino or chad beat them.

Comment by dhuffdaddy 09.02.12 @ 12:59 pm

I’m embarrassed to admit I drove up from Maryland for last night’s debacle. But I’m done – I simply can’t afford, emotionally, to put any more of my rooting interest into this program. If that indicates a lack of loyalty to my beloved alma mater, so be it.

I still blame Pederson. When he decided to can Wanny (which you could make a credible case for doing) did he really have a PLAN? A real idea of what he wanted the program to become BEFORE he upended things?

I find it hard to believe that was the case since his brilliant master plan was to bring in the creepy Freddy Kreuger dude. Really, after that first presser with Haywood, I remember thinking WTF? You HIRED that awkward, unlikeable stiff?

Of course Smiley could have no idea that things would unravel as they would with Haywood, Graham, etc. But now we’re stuck with the guy we have, Paul “where’s my hammock?” Chryst. If he doesn’t work out, too bad. Even if he’s an unmitigated disaster, we can’t replace him any time in the next couple of years or we would be an even bigger laughingstock than we are.

But we’re in the midst of this chain of events that Smiley put into place because he derailed what we had going – painful as it was at times – without a clear path to an upgrade. Haywood? Really Steve? That was the plan?

So now we’re Pitt: Graveyard of Coaches, Future ACC Bottom Dweller.

Fire Steve Pederson. Make us all feel better, Pitt. Rash, panicky move? Maybe, but no more rash than what he himself pulled two years ago, and the consequences of which have driven a stake through the heart of a once-proud football program.

Comment by BATR 09.02.12 @ 1:08 pm

Some good points dhuffdaddy.

But I don’t see us being able to pressure a better Cincy team with this inexperienced lost looking front 7, it they only sniffed a D2 teams’ QB once.
Butch Jones is a pretty wiley coach imo. I see Cincy scoring 40 to 50 points.

And it might have been coaching last nite, as PITT did nothing thruout the game to alter or get YSU out of their most comfortable offensive rhythm. ON THE OTHER HAND the players at this point in their development(?) might not be able to adjust out of their base defense much. And that is a scary thought, since YSU is prolly the 2nd worst team on the schedule.

Sidenote** Buffalo, a future PITT opponent and I’m sure to most a W, put up 23 on Georgia last night.

Clemson did the ACC proud by beating SEC Auburn on the road. While Alabama truly pounded the Little 11’s Michigan. Uconn shut out Umass 37-0, I believe Umass is/was a D2 power and is stepping up to D1. Rutgers won in their new coaches debut.

Comment by Emel 09.02.12 @ 1:08 pm

Boy, we obviously have a lot of angry Panther fans here and complaints from a wide spectrum. Some are saying we are too young and inexperienced and others are saying if we are going to suck we might as well play the young guys. I am not a huge Tino fan but if there are roster moves to be made, I don’t think we need to start with Tino based on last night. We have a DLine who did not sniff the QB all game. We had LBs who looked clueless. We had an OLine that didn’t get much push. I’m not sure Chryst has a lot of cards to play here. But man, DC Hux needs to earn his paycheck. He made little to no adjustments. HTP!

Comment by JAM05Pitt 09.02.12 @ 1:11 pm

EMel a QB change would help and i think you need to sit the starting WR also.
the LB are part of the problem and who coachs them a high school coach who has never coached a college game before.
and are OC was a TE coach last year.
just saying a lot of coachs dont really know there
jobs chryst is one him self.
think abought it he did not go out and get the best DC he could get or the best LB coach he could get he got old frends or frends of frends
that might not have been the best thing to do.

Comment by FRANKCAN 09.02.12 @ 1:17 pm

Excellent analysis BATR. ^^

Loved the Freddy Kreuger reference.
SP should be the poster child for Chrony Capitalism.

Comment by Emel 09.02.12 @ 1:18 pm

I agree with BATR, I’m on the verge of being done! After the last 8-10 yrs of endless promises of new starts, better recruiting, a new program beginning today etc. what I saw last night tells me this, Pitt will be 0 and 3 after the Virgina Tech game. That means this season is basically lost, which as I’ve stated so many times before kills recruiting. And off we go to basement of the ACC. I like PC, want to give him a chance, he seems like a good choice but what the hell happened? Cinci will kill us as will VT. So I ask then what? As much as I am a Pitt fan I can’t take it anymore. Too much time and money wasted supporting a lost cause. At the point of cutting my losses. So at 0 and 3 I’m walking. Didn’t expect a national championship but I did expect to be competitive, guess that was too much to ask for from this program.

Comment by LUV PITTBULLS 09.02.12 @ 1:24 pm

hi Frankcan.

Glad to see everyone is alive and well. Nobody did any swan dives off the closet bridge or the Cathedral of Learning. haha.

Although I don’t remember reading a post game post-mortem from Dr. Tom. Hope he’s alright.
Some might be still coming out of their bourbon or scotch coma’s.

Hey Frankcan..what do you think of my Poison Pill theory ?? You might be right about all these coaches having never coached their current positions. Although Bollinger can’t work miracles. :-)

Comment by Emel 09.02.12 @ 1:26 pm

Save me one of those homemade Italian Sausages. Game is at 6PM right? I will stop by the tent though I’m not sure how I will find you among the other fans. I like your prediction. Could be a night to get some of the young kids playing time by half time considering that it is a D1AA school and all :)

Comment by PITT Fan In Atlanta 09.02.12 @ 1:43 pm

We have Cincinnatti and the Virginia Tech coming up. It looks to be a very……….long………year.

Comment by Justinian 09.02.12 @ 1:49 pm

agreed, good points above. I also believe playing at Heinz Field is a buzz killer..lots of empty seats, zero atmosphere. it sucks the life out of team. does anybody remember the last game at PITT Stadium?? A big win over ND.. I’d much rather play in an old crummy stadium with atmosphere, than in a sterile undersold, shared stadium.

I’ve heard people say that attendance was regularly bad at pitt stadium..maybe, maybe not, but the huge difference was the seats, bench style vs single seat. The stadium always looks more full with the bleachers..

Comment by goalie44 09.02.12 @ 1:50 pm

Probably not the right forum for this but here goes anyway. I believe that what Pitt suffers from is what this entire country suffers from. No one is embarrassed about anything anymore. You’re on welfare; that’s OK, its not your fault. Got that trophy for 7th place; good job! We’ve lost the sense that you don’t want to be made to look like a fool.

I took my high school junior to Pitt this summer for a tour. She badly wants to go to Pitt. Pitt’s been a tradition in my family for generations. However, after touring Pitt, PSU, Maryland, Delaware and other big schools, I walked away from the Pitt tour feeing embarrassed that I graduated from Pitt. The tour was like an amateur hour compared to the tours at other schools. I’ve felt the same way about Pitt’s ticket office for years. Staff the thing professionally or get out of the business.

The school’s administration is isolated from the pressures of performing in the real world. This attitude trickles down to the athletic department. At some point, doesn’t this entire administration just get so embarrassing that the board of trustees steps in and does something about it? I believe that the school operates like a Division II school.

I think its time for some major changes at Pitt across the board. Someone needs to step in and get the entire school operating like a world class university instead of a third rate state school. I’m tired of feeling embarrassed that I went to Pitt.

Comment by Pittstadiumshuffle 09.02.12 @ 2:09 pm

EMel you could have something with the posin pill like i said before a QB change might help
hell if tino did not over throw thoes 2 open recevers we have 2 more td which makes the score what 31 to 31 a tie game .
dont get me wrong the D sucks but if your D sucks then you must out score the outher team and you wont do that with tino.

Comment by FRANKCAN 09.02.12 @ 2:18 pm

Big buzz kill but for some reason I don’t feel like hitting the panic button — I really believe Chryst will not hesitate to make changes…unfortunately, he may wait until we’re 1-3 or 2-4, but I think good will come from this.

Lots of new starters, young guys, new era jitters, etc — I think they will play better even if they keep the same lineup.

Tino played okay but missing those key passes are such momentum killers…they really hurt even more than the missed points. The kid can pass from point A to point B with good velocity, but has NO touch…even in his 5th season. He’s like a pitcher with no breaking pitches and okay control…not real good. By my count he made one good pass — the td to Brinson — and missed on three tds — Street, Brinson in the endzone, and even though Holtz fell, I think the pass messed him up (that’s a toss up I guess). It looked alot like 2010, which was a sh#tload better than 2011, but still slightly below average QB play…despite the misleading completion percentage. Hess was clearly better.

My bet is the defense will come out blazing the next few games as they review tape and settle down…I hope!! Stay positive, if possible.

Comment by Matt N. 09.02.12 @ 2:20 pm


When are you going to issue some grades.. positions, coaching, etc…

HC – F
DC – F
OC – F
Entire Defense – F
OLine – D
TE – B+ (should have thrown more to TE’s and Shanny)
QB – B
RB – B-
WR – B

Comment by Joe D 09.02.12 @ 2:32 pm

“I think its time for some major changes at Pitt across the board. Someone needs to step in and get the entire school operating like a world class university instead of a third rate state school.”


Comment by pittbluegold 09.02.12 @ 2:37 pm

398th comment, let’s shoot for 400. Catharsis online!

Tino can deflate a lacrosse ball.

Comment by steve1 09.02.12 @ 2:38 pm

JoeD you are most kind in your grades. I wouldn’t give any group a B let lone a B+. they were average or below at best. I certainly agree with your F ‘s….

Comment by DJS 09.02.12 @ 3:03 pm

I keep seeing a lot of posts about the lack of talent on this team. There’s no talent here? Really? Consider the following, just on defense.

SHAYNE HALE, DE (2008): Scout’s five-star, 3rd best DE in the country. Offers from LSU, Ohio State, Michigan, Virginia and WVU. Has never managed to crack the lineup and secure meaningful minutes in four full seasons prior this year. A player who at the bare minimum should be serving as a veteran leader (think Craig Bokor) found himself suspended for his final home/season opener due to a violation of team rules. Our version of the “Jamie O’Hara” character from the movie “Rudy”.

TYRONE EZELL, DE (2009): Four-star by Scout, ranked their 21st-best DE in the country. Suspended for yesterday’s game along with Hale. Had offers from Ohio State, Colorado, Michigan, Virginia and Illinois.

T.J. CLEMMINGS, DE (2010). Five-star by Scout, ranked as their 6th best DE in the country. Had offers from Georgia, Michigan, Virginia, Maryland, tOSU and ND. Redshirted last year.

BRYAN MURPHY, DE (2010): Four-star by Scout, ranked their 11th best DE in the country. Offers from Louisville and Maryland. Missed last season as an academic casualty.

ANTHONY GONZALEZ, QB/S (2010): Four-star by Scout as a QB, but it was no secret he fielded significant interest as a defensive back and was projected as such almost immediately by Wannstedt’s coaching staff. Moved back to DB this year. Had offers from FSU, Maryland, Missouri, Penn State, Stanford and WVU. Was among the six players suspended for yesterday’s opener.

It’s worth noting that Ezell would’ve certainly played had he not been suspended.

And maybe this isn’t entirely fair to Murphy, Clemmings and Gonzalez, given that they’re all redshirt sophomores and Gonzalez’s position has been shuffled more times than a card deck in Las Vegas. So maybe some patience with these three – particularly Clemmings and Murphy – is in order as they’re all still relatively young.

But even still, it’s ridiculous that a player of Hale’s pedigree cannot crack this lineup and worse, that he seems to be comfortable with this given his suspension. It’s a little bit troubling to me that Clemmings isn’t more of a factor in the two-deep and did not see action yesterday (barring injury, of course). And it’s equally troubling that a guy with Murphy’s accolades struggled by many accounts to generate pressure against a I-AA team.

These are players who were Wannstedt recruits, at a position Wannstedt recruited exceptionally well. Hale was supposed to be a marquee player by now. Clemmings and Murphy would’ve been “next men up” this year as Lindsey and some other veterans moved on. Gonzalez SHOULD at least be in the mix at safety on the two-deep, not playing behind the likes of a preferred walk-on (Taglianetti) and a transfer (Vinopal) whose only other offers came from Bowling Green and Kent State.

I hope that’s not construed as taking shots at guys like Tags and Vinopal, or a guy like Jack Lippert (who started ahead of the much more heralded Clemmings). That’s not what I’m trying to say.

My point is that we often tend to look at more arbitrary metrics like “star rankings” or “offers from comparable schools” when determining where a player should fit into the program. While it can be a good guide to set expectations, those can’t always be viewed in a vacuum when so much is often left to the player themselves.

There’s no greater example of that on this Pitt team than Shayne Hale.

Comment by Stoosh 09.02.12 @ 3:05 pm

The D gets a F that is 100 percent true
the coaching on offence gets a c
the coaching on the D gets a F
and they should have thrown more to the TE
Tino gets a D
the whole game just makes me sick they just look so bad no balls most of them pussys only mason seamed mad whay the hell is going on with this team every year the same shit.

Comment by FRANKCAN 09.02.12 @ 3:08 pm

Cinci could be a real reckoning — don’t know squat about their D, but if we score 17 or less again, Chryst likely pulls the trigger at QB and some other spots…maybe O-line. You simply have to have a credible downfield passing threat, no matter your scheme, to be considered an above average, dangerous team. Even ‘Bama, who just pulverises people with their monster line and running game, still had deep pass plays to keep teams like LSU and Florida honest. Even if Tino completes 80% of his passes, it cannot take the place of putting a scare in safeties to guard the deep ball and loosen up the linebackers. It has to be done and this is why Anderson and/or Voytik have to get some playing time…even if only in the second half.

Comment by Matt N. 09.02.12 @ 3:22 pm

This is not meant to imply a lack of talent against a lower division foe because there aren’t many excuses for what happened last night AND there is talent in the program. The bigger issue with this team is that it’s full of student athletes who are damaged goods. Not only have the last two recruiting classes been “lost” (because of late season coaching changes) and a miss-mash of talent for opposite schemes on both offense and defense, the two previous classes have been through the ringer and showed no fight. Their will has been broken and regardless of who is coaching this team, until they are out of the program we will see games like this.

The lack of leadership at the player level is obvious…no one is having fun out there. The quicker Chryst identifies his future younger leaders the better (I’m looking at you Voytik). The current group of upperclassmen are not role models and the longer they are in those types of positions the more it will permeate through the rest of the team. Based on the circumstances the last few years I can’t fault them but it’s a new day and time to clean house.

It certainly doesn’t help that Pitt has a rookie Head Coach not exactly know for riveting and passionate, rallying the troops type excitement. It’s a recipe for disaster and I’m afraid it won’t be a quick fix. Regardless of who was coaching this team, these issues were already front and center. Chryst needs to find out who still has fight and play them. This team needs an infusion of spirit more than anything because right now they don’t play with any heart or excitement.

Comment by Tossing Thabeets 09.02.12 @ 3:23 pm

Regarding grades…

If Tino gets a B… Chryst deserves more than an F on the offensive side of the ball.

The offensive scheme and playcalling early on made Tino look about as good as ever looked.

However, does Tino really deserve a B? If memory serves me correct he missed a couple of open receivers that probably would have meant six.

When your defense can’t make a stop a senior quarterback cannot miss those kind of scoring opportunities.

He also did not make any plays on his feet.

Tino probabley worth a C simply because he did not lose the game, but didn’t do anytning special to win it either.

The whole coaching staff does deserve an F because they lost to Youngstown.

Chryst’s biggest mistake looks to be that he delegated too much trust to Huxtable to have his defense ready to go.

Huxtable’s trust is blown. This week, PC has to show he’s up to the job of head coach by stepping in on Huxtable’s turf to make sure the necessary changes are made.

They might start by getting some players on the field especially at linebacker who have heart and a desire to make a play and not just run around going through the motions.

I’d rather have a slow linebacker in the game with a motor and desire than a fast one who is a poser.

Chryst and Huxtable obviously made the mistake in a few cases of being fooled by players who might look great in practice but are something else totally different when it comes to actually playing.

This week is a great test to see if Chryst is up to the task of really taking “ownership.”

Comment by PittofDreams 09.02.12 @ 3:28 pm

Reed’s stepping back from the Blather for a bit but here’s my two cents…

I wasn’t shocked at all. Disappointed as hell but not shocked.

I’ve been telling anyone who asks that our defense wasn’t going to be nearly as good as people thought because of the lack of experience on it. My salient point was that when you have a front seven (pre-suspensions) that had two DEs with zero starts, who are both untested players and one a converted OL then that’s a problem…

When you have three LBs with only one guy with two starts – that’s two starts across the three starting LBs folks; that’s a problem… I said we’d see crossing patterns and WRs getting behind the LBs on a regular basis and that’s what happened.

The answers I got back was that all the new players were “athletic”; Clemmings, E. Williams and especially Grigsby, and we would get by on that. Here’s some news… Lippert is not ‘athletic’. Well, we saw how that turned out.

I went to a big tailgate yesterday and when drinking beer and talking about this game I said I had predicted 38-14 PITT score. Then someone broke in and told us of the suspensions and I said right away “We’re gonna lose this game” and ten guys around me cracked up and called me on it. To be real clear on this, I thought we’d win before the suspension and thought we’d lose after I heard about them.

In previous Blather articles and comments I wrote about how PITT, at the very least, had to go 7-5 with no off the field problems this season to turn around the downward slide program. All I heard back was that I was “accepting mediocrity” (the old favorite) and “your bar is set too low” with other fans predicting 9 or 10 wins. I had trepidation then and apparently that’s how it is going to unfold.

Don’t get me wrong – we are going to win some football games, but when a team has its returning player experience from a poor 6-7 team and also has a new, rookie, HC you pretty much have to figure it wasn’t going to be all sunshine and roses.

Hate to say all this because it’s an I told you so but to me it was pretty obvious that the starting two deep wasn’t as talented or experienced as people wanted to give it credit for. I predicted a 3-3 start to the season with losses to Cincy, VT and Louisville – looks now like it may be 2-4 at best.

As to the game?

If I’m pointing fingers for the actual poor play on the field last night I’ll start and stick with Dave Huxtable and the defense. The safety play was mentally poor and the defensive play calling was the worst I’ve seen in years. My God – how does a DC send ALL 12 of his players to the LOS at your own 23 yard line to stop a 4th and 1? Not one safety back at least?

When your offense gets on the field only three times in the second half and only eight times all game you are going to lose the game. The defense didn’t give the offense an opportunity to produce and we lost, pure and simple.

I though Ray Graham gave his all and hated seeing him out there so much. I thought Sunseri had a pretty good game all in all. BTW – watch that TD drive in the 4th quarter again – the deep incomplete pass to Street down the right sideline… Street pulled up halfway in the play. The commenter on ESPN3 talked about it at length.

Sunseri missed some passes but overall I felt that if he could have been given the opportunity to have a normal number of drives per game, in other words if PITT could have stopped a 3rd down conversion every once in a while, we’d have scored more points. I also agree with Chryst going for it on 4th and 1 when Bennett failed to get the 1st down. The way our defense was giving up 15 play drives Chryst had to gamble to keep our offense on the field.

The only real problem I have with the offense is Devin Street’s play with the dropped 1st down pass when it was 14-10 at the end of the 2nd quarter. That, his other dropped passes, his half-assing his deep route and his fumble were the keys to our offensive failure in my mind. Obviously Graham;s fumble on the YSU 18 on the opening drive didn’t help any either.

Finally – I’m 100% behind Chryst’s suspending those six players for this game. Rumor has it that Shell’s may be more serious than at first glance but that’s smoke, not fire, right now.

If anyone still harbors any doubt in their mind about what the University of Pittsburgh holds more dearly, football wins or the school’s local reputation put it to rest right now.

Wannstedt would not have suspended these players especially not when Ezell, R. Jones and Hale – three vital parts of the two deep – were involved. We know how well that turned out for him. PITT just isn’t going to screw around any longer after the off the field year we had in 2010. PITT will not play the depth chart game when it comes to player’s discipline any longer, wins be damned. Football just isn’t that important when stacked up against the University’s other mission areas.

Comment by Reed 09.02.12 @ 3:36 pm


I thought about this last night when I was driving back home from Erie and listening to the post-game and reaction on 93.7.

I would’ve loved to have been a fly on the wall in whatever luxury box Stevie P was sitting in yesterday. I’d love to have been able to drop in on some of the conversations he may have had with some of the disgruntled boosters who came up to him as that game unfolded.

I’d love to know how much he cares, what he said, whether these boosters honestly believe in this guy.

I just wonder this because while I have a ton of faith in Chryst (I loved watching his offenses at Wisconsin and I think he can build that same sort of thing here), I just wonder if the university is going to give him the right kind of help. I wonder if Stevie P understands how crucial this is, and how bad it’s going to look when the ACC jump is made and this team is not ready.

I wonder this because of the way everything was handled dating back to the transition from Wannstedt, all of which has made Pederson’s bungling of the Frank Solich situation he oversaw at Nebraska look good by comparison.

The dismissal of Wannstedt was beyond awkward and uncomfortable. As much as I was ready to see Dave go at that point, I felt horrible for the guy for the way it was handled. That goes from the communication of the message (Was he dismissed? Was he fired?) to the announcement of his dismissal to the coaching of the bowl game. All of it – particularly the press conference with the players standing behind him right down to the delay in settling on the bowl game coach – made it look like there was no unified message.

The Haywood hiring further muddled things. There was talk that Wannstedt wasn’t the guy to take the team to the next level, which may have been true. But holy hell, how on earth was the next best option Mike effing Haywood? Was Pederson that enamored with Haywood’s one big season at Miami-OH? He must’ve been, because it certainly couldn’t have been Haywood’s sparkling personality. It was a mystifying hire, one that smacked of an attempt to go cheap. And it wasn’t like the program was shelling out to help him out (remember the relic of an offensive coordinator he was planning on bringing with him?). Luckily, Haywood’s own idiocy saved us from that disaster.

The transparency of Haywood’s hiring forced Pederson’s hand to spend money and shell out not just for Graham, but also his assistants. That blew up in Pederson’s face as well when McGee and some of the other assistants bailed immediately after the regular season ended, and Graham followed shortly after. Nearly all of them, by the way, took at least one chance to take a shot at Pitt on the way out the door (many of which I believe were directed at the Pitt administration).

In light of their departure, horror stories about the interactions between Graham and his coaches with players, program staff, university staff and even the Steelers staffers who shared the practice facility began to pour out via the media.

How did Pederson allow this to exist? Did he not know? Isn’t it his job to know that? Isn’t it his job to oversee that? Is he that dumb? Is he that disconnected?

I’m not sure. And now we have this.

As I said, I like Chryst. He was one of my three favorites as the initial replacement for Wannstedt. I like what he developed at Wisky. I like that he knows that blueprint, and he had a great mentor in Alvarez. I think he can make it work here.

I just hope he has the support of the athletic department. I’m not sure they gave him the resources to get the best assistants he could get, but we’ll see.

And I hope this isn’t indicative of something larger going on behind the scenes…that maybe the athletic department doesn’t take the success of this program as seriously as it should. If they don’t, what could transpire after the ACC transition would be 1000x more visible than a 14-point loss to YSU.

Comment by Stoosh 09.02.12 @ 3:49 pm


Very well thought out and presented. I was 100% in favor of firing Wanny. Just couldn’t take the out-of-left-field losses anymore. Couldn’t take the bewildered look on his face when the game needed a coach to take over. He was the “Pitt man” that was supposed to rescue the program. He just couldn’t do it. But what has followed has been a nightmare. That means that someone has to take responsibility. Someone has to own it.

I’ve been there through the lows and the highs. But the last 20 years are taking their toll on me. Even a fanatic has his limits.

Comment by Pittstadiumshuffle 09.02.12 @ 4:10 pm

Reed i think we all thought we had better players
then we do we know better now.
but you have to be disapointed in the coaching
i thought that was fixed but i think not after all chryst did not go after the best coachs but went after coachs that were frends or frends of frends.
i think you had some misgivens abought all the wisconsin tie in was that not you who was worryed abought that.

Comment by FRANKCAN 09.02.12 @ 4:15 pm

Dave Wannstedt would never have lost this game.

Comment by Brian 09.02.12 @ 4:30 pm

at the end of the day, i still love pitt and i support pederson and chryst 100%. my only wish is to put new faces in the game. tino is not going to make a lick of difference this season or next season. put him on the bench and lets let new blood have a shot at playing time. lets see if anyone has passion and wants to play.

Comment by pittisit37 09.02.12 @ 4:48 pm

Why not, he lost to Ohio and Bowling Green??

Comment by Dan 09.02.12 @ 4:51 pm

Dave Wannstedt wouldn’t have lost this game. Neither would Fraud Graham.
Hell, Mike Haywood wouldn’t have lost this game!
Forget about blaming Tino for this one. When your defense give us 31 points to Youngstown State that’s on the coach.
Give Chryst an F- for coaching because there isn’t a lower score.

Comment by Houston Panther 09.02.12 @ 5:22 pm

“us” = “up”

Comment by Houston Panther 09.02.12 @ 5:24 pm

I want Pederson gone as much as anyone but I don’t think we can blame this mistake on him. I think after Wanny left he wanted to hire Holgerson. That might have worked out pretty well. This time I think he wanted to hire Mario Cristobal but was overruled.

Comment by Houston Panther 09.02.12 @ 5:27 pm

A MAC loss doesn’t compare to a I-AA loss.

Comment by Brian 09.02.12 @ 5:27 pm

Let’s not fool ourselves and say with certainty that Wannstedt could have never lost to the team that YSU fielded. He very well might have.

For one, the six players suspended most likely would have played — as Reed pointed out.

And don’t discount the opposition. It was a perfect storm as far as the Youngstown team Pitt ran into. Ten returning starters on offense, a good quarterback, an even better runningback…. and new coach who might turn out to be another Jim Tressel as far as we know.

That all said, Pitt should never have lost last night.

The game exposed some serious shortcomings regarding Chryst’s staff and some of the players they chose to put on the field.

How could such seasoned coaches be so wrong about whether players are ready to play?

But, I’m willing to give Chryst the slightest benefit of a doubt until Thursday.

We’ll find out then if he is really willing to take “ownership” and make the necessary changes to put a competitive team on the field despite what egos get bruised.

I have to believe Chryst will get it done.

Comment by PittofDreams 09.02.12 @ 5:42 pm

came to work today and had youngstown state logos all over in my mailbox, the bathroom, and throughout my unit. living in the acc my peers are already calling pitt the next duke, lets prove them wrong.

Comment by pittisit37 09.02.12 @ 5:49 pm

A winning attitude starts at the top. Its accountability time. I was so ready to see what ajustments would be made coming out for the second half. The answer was quick. None.

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Comment by pittstadiumshuffle 09.02.12 @ 6:01 pm

Well, they crapped the bed this first game out. That’s behind us now and they have to move on to next game. They play Cininnatti this coming Thursday, so they don’t have a lot of time to get their act together. If they don’t, with VA Tech coming up the week af ter that, they could very easily start out 0-3.

Comment by Justinian 09.02.12 @ 6:13 pm

It’s been almost 24 hours and I’m still hurting. This has to be the most embarrassing loss in the 123 years of the program. This is like when Michigan lost to App State.

I have to agree with the posters about about Wanny. The man wanted to be here. No one worth any salt does.

This is how we can salvage the program and as alumni, we have to be vocal by threatening to stop donations until we get our way:

1) Can we please have the mustard, powder blue, script uniforms back with names on the jerseys? We look like ND and the Naval Academy and it sucks.

2) Put tarps on the upper deck seats and force everyone to sit down low like the Pittsburgh Power do. Maybe the building will get a little noisy and feel like a football game rather than a Catholic mass.

3) This year is lost so sit the seniors and play Voytek, Shell, and the freshman. Let them take their lumps and develop for next year.

4) Chryst gets four years to build this thing no matter what happens this year. We have no continuity and no one that has the smarts to make good hires.

5) Let the band play before the game. Last night no alma mater, smoke, ect. I was like wtf.

6) Win some f’n games so we don’t have to go back to Birmingham.

Comment by AJ 09.02.12 @ 6:15 pm

So I was just called on a Sunday, yes Sunday from the Pitt Athletic / ticket office about my basketball renewal…according to the representative they had no record of charging my card…is the whole athletic department ripe with with incompetence…

PS….great timing too, not even giving me 24 hours to forget this most recent debacle before asking for money.

Comment by Marco 09.02.12 @ 6:35 pm

This loss was easily the worst in Pitt’s history. Their first loss ever to a 1-AA team. It would be the worst in the history of college football except for Cumberland’s 222-0 loss to Georgia Tech in 1916.
The only way this team is getting to Birmingham this year is if they buy their own tickets.
Don’t bring back our real uniforms with royal blue and gold with Pitt script until we have a real Pitt team that we can be proud of.
If I were the players I would want them to not only take the names off the uniforms but also the numbers.

Comment by Houston Panther 09.02.12 @ 6:36 pm

2-10. Who on that schedule could this team possibly beat?

Comment by Chris 09.02.12 @ 6:39 pm

I was at the 70+ pt blow out by Ohio State and I saw ND that same year return 3 kicks for TD’s in the 3rd Quarter…there are worst losses. Had we been a top 25 team, this would have been magnified more.

They’ll win a few games – even in the Big East. The offense wasn’t bad – they just didn’t have many possessions to do much – this team will score points and it’ll have to with that defense.

Comment by Tossing Thabeets 09.02.12 @ 6:50 pm

I wondered why the head coach at Wisconsin actively encouraged Pitt to take some of his assistants. I thought that was very generous of him – most managers would hate to see their best people leave.

Pedersen said they wanted someone with head coaching experience after Wanny left. There is a risk in promoting an assistant coach, because some assistants don’t grow into the new job. They never realize that it’s a different job. Peter principle.

Comment by 66Goat 09.02.12 @ 7:45 pm

If his twitter account means anything… it looks as though Rushel Shell’s suspension may be over… at least that’s his view.

Maybe somebody has something on the other five who look to have been involved in a totally different situation.

Comment by PittofDreams 09.02.12 @ 7:52 pm

Why is Pitt playing a game, much less a team like YSU, less than a full week before we have a first BE game?

I know the BE wanted to do us dirty; but, come on, we should have asked YSU to reschedule for a different date later in the season or, at a minimum to play the game a couple of days earlier (Thursday night, Aug. 30?) once the BE dropped an early Thursday road game on us as a parting gift.

This, like Haywood, Graham, and the totally incompetent way Dave Wannstadt was removed is yet another black mark against Steve Pederson!

Why was YSU was underestimated by both coaches and players?

The game plan was totally vanilla. Although that is typically what you do in first games against supposedly weak opponents so as to not give anything away to your first real opponent coming up in game #2. But, when you badly under-estimate an opponent while doing that and your attitude is picked up by the players (as shown by their seeming lack of real effort on top of half-a-dozen of them so un-serious about the opener as to break team rules and get suspended) then its the coaches fault.

Then, you don’t make any halftime changes because you still apparently think you are going to come out and turn it around in the 2nd half without doing anything different.

All this is 90% on the coaches; but, shame on the players for not having a better attitude and giving a better effort despite the coaches!

Are we really so lacking in talent as many (most?) fans believe?

I am not yet convinced that is the case. Despite the overall lack of effort on both sides of the ball–and two turnovers–the offense was okay.

The defensive line was playing without Clemmings, who I presume must be injured, and Ezell (who stupidly got himself suspended) add that to the lackadaisical effort and lack of aggressiveness and its hard to be 100% sure that it is a talent problem rather than an attitude, effort and vanilla opening game scheme problem.

Should we be writing the season completely off as a result of this debacle?

For now, I am still hoping the YSU game will prove to have been an aberration for a variety and combination of possible reasons (not in any particular order)—

1) YSU may be a lot better than any of us thought (legit contender for their division’s National Championship?)

2) Our coaches and players didn’t take YSU at all seriously and gave no effort.

3) Bad scheduling of Cincy game had coaches and players looking ahead while game planning plain vanilla for YSU as a result.

4) Six players missing in action due to bad attitude/bad judgment.

Bottom Line: I am not yet quite ready to write these coaches and this season off. (Maybe after Thursday night I will be?)

Comment by pitt1972 09.02.12 @ 8:07 pm

this from devin streets twitter: “Over a game that doesn’t even signify who we are as a team, Time to face adversity and learn from my mistakes, won’t let this happen again”. hmm lets see, that game means nothing. that is a real winner attitude to take, lets deny it didn’t happen that you all played like crap and essentially showed you are not motivated or passionate. yeah. im ashamed for the guy for tweeting this. they should be embarrassed for themselves.

Comment by pittisit37 09.02.12 @ 8:32 pm

Wowza, anyone know the record for number of comments on a blog. We’re up to 430.

OMG, do you realize this team and program, warts and all is going to be on National TV on Thursday Nite.

I really hope ESPN sends a memo to whoever the Thursday Nite crew is this year, to be…..KIND.

And let’s all hope for some sort of miraculous transformation in the next 4 days.

Oy Vey
GRP !!

Comment by Emel 09.02.12 @ 8:33 pm

Going to get worse before it gets better.

Hail to PITT!

Comment by PITT95 09.02.12 @ 8:43 pm

Other than at QB (yes Sir Tino was again outplayed by a D2 QB, last year it was the D2 Maine QB), I don’t buy the no talent argument. Are you seriously saying YSU has more talent on it’s roster than PITT.

You who live and die by these Rivals, Scout & ESPN, star ratings. Surely you must be jesting. PITT has plenty of talent to win even with Sir Tino. Granted they didn’t perform like it last nite, but still they do. And I also don’t buy this, “well these players were recruited to play a 3-4 defense instead of a 4-3.” laughable

That was only for one year(last year) and none of those players are on the two deep for this year’s defense. Those on the two deep were ALL recruited to play a 4-3. Another lame excuse.

No there is some underlying factor why this team plays with no passion, no grit, no determination.
Even if it’s only to impress your first year
Head Coach making his coaching debut. PITT played with about as much emotion, enthusiasm as they did against SMU in the bowl game. That would be…..
NONE. There was a plausible excuse then (though based on some player comments you’d think they would have been happy Graham left and played their asses off against SMU). Now there aren’t any excuses unless……

See Poison Pill theory above ^^^.

Comment by Emel 09.02.12 @ 8:53 pm

For those of you complaining about the lack of pre-game pagentry by the band, I believe it was due to the game being delayed 30 minutes. According to the pre-game announcers, the players had to leave the field for warmups around 4:00 or so, and they weren’t on it warming up yet when I walked in about 5:45. I’m guessing they didn’t want to delay it further by having the whole pre-game band thing. So let’s give the administration a bye on that one.

Comment by Annie 09.02.12 @ 9:02 pm

agreed, good points above. I also believe playing at Heinz Field is a buzz killer..lots of empty seats, zero atmosphere. it sucks the life out of team. does anybody remember the last game at PITT Stadium?? A big win over ND.. I’d much rather play in an old crummy stadium with atmosphere, than in a sterile undersold, shared stadium.
I’ve heard people say that attendance was regularly bad at pitt stadium..maybe, maybe not, but the huge difference was the seats, bench style vs single seat. The stadium always looks more full with the bleachers..

Comment by goalie44 09.02.12 @ 1:50 pm

Great point goalie44.
PITT Stadium was a great old venue. Would Notre Dame ever consider tearing down their old venerable stadium? Of course not. PITT stadium had great sightlines, not a bad seat in the house. It was basically a smaller version of the Rose Bowl. For is was a bowl shaped stadium. I didn’t really care about the piss troughs in the men’s rooms or the antique concession stands.

I was there to watch a football game, not critique where I took a leak or eat garbage hotdogs.

If you wanted to be comfortable, complain about parking, piss in comfort or eat, stay the f*ck home. Just leave my ON CAMPUS bowl shaped great football stadium the f*ck alone.

Pederson you can shove Heinz Field and your luxury suite up your ass sideways(although u might like it). You’ve done more to destroy whatever tradition we had at PITT (not f*cking Pittsburgh), between the uniforms, the script, the f*cking stadium and your f*cking assinine hirings than all the Oval Jayne’s, Ed Bozik’s and Dave Hart’s (lol) combined.

Oy Vey !
GRP !! (Get Rid of Pederson)

Comment by Emel 09.02.12 @ 9:26 pm

Emel – no one is saying there is NO talent on this team

It is just that the talent that is on it is left over from a 6-7 team that couldn’t rise to any occasion last year either. If the games were played on a computer using only star ratings we’d be fine but they aren’t.

Other than Ray Graham and Donald is there any one player, in your opinion, that would definitely start for any other D1 team?

No there isn’t and that’s 20 out of 22 starters. Combine that with a severe lack of experience and you have a …. middling football team.

Comment by Reed 09.02.12 @ 9:30 pm

Emel – your post above is fitting nicely with what we’ve been reading on here lately…

Comment by Reed 09.02.12 @ 9:32 pm

The answer to your question is “yes”, the entire athletic department is incompetent….they grew up under incompetence and believe it to be the norm: acceptable.
Pitt does not have any acumen in athletics.
If Pitt were to drop to D2 for instance their performance at that level would mirror what you see before you.
I doubt Pitt can remain a D1 program much longer. They are what Temple was when Temple got booted from the BE.

Comment by SFPitt 09.02.12 @ 9:34 pm

I hear alot of people on this site mention no atmosphere and it’s so bad…and your right..and i don’t know how many of you are current students..but the student body is absolutely TERRIBLE!!!…They don’t scream…and some leave after halftime…and the other half leave after sweet caronline…I Know teams don’t win because people root for them…but these are college kids..and they need support…and they don’t get it…so why don’t you students STEP UP and do what student sectins do…and scream and yell like every other student secion in the country!!..i would love this to be a topic so we can all discuss this.

Comment by pitt-for-life 09.02.12 @ 9:44 pm

I am done this year. PC may be a great guy but does he motivate me to get excited about the program, NO! I hope I am wrong but a laid back coach, only wants people to come to Pitt who wants to be there, etc. just does not do it for me.

I addmit, last year I drank the Kool-aide because I thought the spread was the only way to go without major talent and I still think that. With decent QB play we would have won 9 or 10 games last year and TG would have gotten the Texas A-M job for about $5mil a year instead of the $2mil at ASU. Thats why he was so pissed at Sir Tino.

Only 8 possessions last night. A D-1 team with minimal talent should score on 5 of those posessions. I have always looked forward to getting up on Sunday morning and reading the paper and the sports page. Today I left it in the street!

PC, prove me wrong!

Comment by JP 09.02.12 @ 9:47 pm

I want two things:

1) the team improves greatly over the course of the season
2) they don’t embarrass me again

Odds anyone?

Comment by panther94 09.02.12 @ 9:54 pm

For people saying Pitt students suck, who the heck wants to go to Heinz field on a school bus to watch YSU crush Pitt?

How can the Students care about a football team when players are partying the night before? The PLAYERS don’t give a shit about the team, and neither do the fans because the program sucks.

It’s sucked for years. Nordenberg and Pederson have destroyed any hope for Pitt to be a future strong football school. It’s over until they’re gone.

Comment by Rob 09.02.12 @ 10:02 pm

A team, as the prevailing thought goes, improves the most, between their 1st and 2nd games. Let’s hope that happens. They don’t have a lot of time in a short week to make too many adjustments. Cincinnati likes to run a face paced offence, so their work will be cut out for them this week. I certainly hope they’re up to the challange. I’m not optimistic.

Comment by Justinian 09.02.12 @ 10:07 pm

Can we not blame the student body for the game day atmosphere? That is an asinine argument. I have been to every Pitt home game, every bowl game–except the Sun Bowl–and quite a few road games over the past six years, and the students are the ONLY people who consistently make noise. Most people in the stands are quiet. I know, because I get told to sit down when I stand and yell during the game. Apparently most Pitt fans don’t feel like standing up to cheer, and I can’t blame them, but don’t blame the students.

I am a more recent grad, so I am defensive on this one, and I wasn’t there for the glory days, but I can definitely say the student sections were the only sections that were packed and making any semblance of noise Saturday night.

Comment by TartanPanther 09.02.12 @ 10:26 pm

There’s enough talent on this team…that’s bull to say they’re middling. Not 11-1 talent, but definitely 8-9 win talent. I say Tino gets yanked after missing more downfield passes in either the Cincy or VTech game — just watch the veins on Chrysts neck as your barometer. Credit where its due — Youngstown played a smart game and their QB is good…someone said he didn’t have an arm but he had plenty of zip when needed. The D has talent and will rebound…may not be stellar but they will learn. We need quick strike capability to offset cheating Ds and we all know what that entails.

Comment by Matt N. 09.02.12 @ 10:27 pm

I just put $100 on Cincy over Pitt +3.5.
I thought the spread would be 10.

Comment by Joe D 09.02.12 @ 10:30 pm

The student section should not be criticized. They showed up. But left early. Bad weather and a terrible product on the field. The Oakland Zoo proves that the students will back a PITT year. Just give them a little success to work with….

Comment by panther10 09.02.12 @ 10:30 pm

I will absolutely BLAME the students for the “non” game day atmosphere…it boils my blood that they are so lame…there is about 2000 of them that are all in…the rest just sit there and wait to go home early…if the students would scream on every defensive play like they do for bball it could spark the terrible alumni’s that sit on there hands also…it drives me nuts when i watch thousands of people leave at halftime..and thousands more after sweet caroline…

Comment by pitt-for-life 09.02.12 @ 10:44 pm

Keep blaming the Student section.

Fans don’t cheer for their team getting crushed. God, some people on here are simply misguided. Yea, keep cheering when you’re getting steamrolled by YSU. Keep cheering when your program is in shambles.

Come on, get real. Pitt Football sucks and doesn’t deserve to be cheered for.

Comment by anonymouspitt 09.02.12 @ 10:52 pm

The absolute worst quote in Pitt football history!

“I have resigned as head coach at Pitt, and accepted the head coaching position at Texas A&M university.” J. Sherrill circa late ’81

Comment by Dan 09.02.12 @ 11:20 pm

panther94, I’ll give you odds, how about 1000 to 1 against. They will not improve greatly, and they will get embarrassed, if not by Cinci by VT. VT is going to lay a mega ass whupping on Pitt. It will be nationally televised embarrassment.

Comment by LUV PITTBULLS 09.02.12 @ 11:20 pm

LMAO!!!!!! Look above, many comments ago, at what we’ve devolved into. Many of us, INCLUDING MYSELF, were arguing about which losses are the worst!!!!!! Ha ha LOL!!!!!

“this has to be, YSU is a div 1-aa team (ya, I’m tired of all the fbs crap, I’ll call it what I want to),

“no, Bowling Green was a momentum killer”

“Ohio, are you friggin kidding me, Ohio”

“Holy Toledo, I can’t believe this”

“oh, you have to throw in those 76-0 and 63-17 drubbings from JM II”


What a sad state of affairs, discussing (again, INCLUDING MYSELF) which loss was worse!!!!!!!!

Comment by Dan 09.02.12 @ 11:31 pm

I’ve been pro Harris, pro Wanny, pro Graham and pro Chryst at the beginning. I guess I just always hope!!!!!!!!

Wow, I’ve not given up yet, bet if you looked up the word buzzkill, this would be it.

After waiting all summer. I have to ask, what have you been doing???

Don’t want to hear about talent, or changing this or changing that, this was pathetic, from the word “go”.

It’s football, not rocket science. Absolutely no push from either line, no fire from anyone, no one getting pissed off.

This just may be the year I end this love affair. I always say a coach gets a couple of years, but, wow, I am thoroughly disgusted.

Growing pains, ya, I understand that.

Getting embarrassed, literally beat up, AT HOME, against Youngstown State.

There is nothin’ you can sell me on this one.

Don’t try to sell it, cause I ain’t buyin’ it!!

I mean, if someone didn’t watch the game, and just saw the score come across the crawler, they’d think, “oh, what an upset”.

Any of us that were there, or those that watched on the computer know quite differently.

We got are effin’ asses kicked up and down the field.

I see more emotion from the gallon of milk in my fridge.

This killed all of the glee of the PSU problems and them losing to Ohio.

Killed the excitement of trying to win the BE championship going out the door.

And it killed any excitement of going to the ACC.

Sad, disgusted and I have no more answers on coaching, offenses, defenses, I got nothin’ left.

It’s almost just about time to say “UNCLE”.

Call me disloyal, I could give a rat’s ass.

Comment by Dan 09.02.12 @ 11:40 pm

One more thing, I know we are a university first, sports comes second as someone last night mentioned.

That’s friggin’ fine. If our goal is to be an Ivy League school, or Duke, Stanford or Vanderbilt, that’s teriffic.

If that’s the case, then let the fans know. Don’t come out about winning, “we’re here to win”, switch conferences to the ACC to go after championships.

Just call it what it is. Seriously, just come out and let the fans know, football is way down the list on our agenda.

The chancellor, the trustees, the athletic department, just come out and say it!!

We’re big boys, if we aren’t here to try to field a great football team, then just effin’ say so!!

That way, we can all make our decisions, should we get excited about Pitt, or, our we in with CMU, Case Western and the Univ. of Chicago.

That’s fine, then it’s up to us as to what to do with our money, time and heart!!

Comment by Dan 09.02.12 @ 11:46 pm

Cincy will hit 50 by the third quarter.

Comment by Chris 09.03.12 @ 12:30 am

I don’t even want the good old days back anymore. Just:

1. Beat the teams you’re supposed to beat, and

2. Give me an occaisional upset.

Oh, one more thing. Look like you’re trying to win.

Comment by pittstadiumshuffle 09.03.12 @ 12:48 am

We never should have fired Wanny. He was “bad” but he was the best we could possibly do. Graham and Chryst are complete jokes.

Comment by TonyC 09.03.12 @ 1:39 am

OFF TOPIC: Who is the beat writer for Pitt at the PG? Werner’s byline has been missing, Zeise is in limbo and Fittipaldo has been getting the calls this week. Does the PG care at all about Pitt?

Comment by isnore 09.03.12 @ 7:41 am

I wanted to point something out on a related matter which I do not recall seeing here before. We took some out of town friends (another couuple, first time at Heinz) to the game on Saturday and we had agreed going in that we would make a night of it and stay for the fireworks, which we did. Painful as that might have been.

Anyway, my friend, who is an ex high school football coach found two things striking (1 – how can a senior qb be that bad?, 2 why is the student section empty after the 3rd quarter?).

I never had really paid much attention to anything other than the empty end zone before and attributed it to the fact that Pitt has been typically losing at that point in games and so they left.

So as were are leaving Heinz AFTER the fireworks, I mistakenly took the wrong escalator and left via the wrong gate and had to circle back around the stadium to get to Green 22. The line of students still waiting to get on buses to go back to Oakland was still almost up to the casino!

I know when I was at Pitt, it didn’t take me that long after a game to try and get the first seat at the Wooden Keg. These kids don’t want to wait in a 2 hour line to start partying of pitching woo and I, frankly, don’t blame them.

This AD is amazing. He can’t even design public transportation on a Saturday for crying out loud. I know we will never have Pitt Stadium back but after what I saw Saturday, it put a whole new perspective on why these kids leave early. And fireworks won’t keep a 19 year old in the stands, Steve.

Comment by wally 09.03.12 @ 7:48 am

Dan, I agree that the University didn’t do what they needed to do to keep Sherrill, but he was southerner and he wanted to go down south. Who knows if we could have kept him anyway. Sherrill idolized Bear Bryant and really wanted to coach at Alabama. We were unable to keep Johnny Majors when he got an offer from his alma mater, Tennessee. I wouldn’t jump ship on Chryst after one game. Yes, it’s an embarasing start and things may get worse in the next two weeks, but we need to support the new staff. It’s obvious that they have their work cut out for them. Deep down we all knew that Paul Chryst wasn’t walking into the same situation as Jackie Sherrill did in 1977, when he followed the national championship season.

Comment by Justinian 09.03.12 @ 7:51 am

Missed passes, dropped passes, fumbles, no pass rush, can’t stop a light weight running back, wide open receivers, poor schemes, no intensity, no physicality, six boneheads suspended.

Seems like a lot to fix in five days.

Comment by gc 09.03.12 @ 7:58 am

The reason I didn’t give Sunseri a bad grade…
he didn’t do anything that badly… no interceptions… no fumbles… no running out of bounds 10 yds back… etc Completion rate was ok.

The ground and pound game may work in Wisky… but not at Pitt when you don’t have an Oline… the short passing was working… why not more of it??

Shanny should lineup at Tight End on some plays.

Comment by Joe D 09.03.12 @ 8:32 am

They may have some talent, but they don’t have any toughness. And that is something that cannot be coached.

Comment by Joe Bull 09.03.12 @ 9:13 am

I have a friend I work who is a Cincy grad and has contacts at school. He says Cincy’s offense really looks good and they are intent to run up the score on a team that is exiting the big east. This game is really going to get ugly and than VaTech.
Don’t be surprised if this team completely loses its psych after three games……

Comment by DJS 09.03.12 @ 9:44 am

I was at the game and all I can say is, “I wish I had been a Youngstown State fan”! Yeah, Blah, blah, blah! Everybody should just see the glaring obvious fact that Pitt just got flat out beat by the better team on Saturday night. Better prepared, better coached, they wanted it more and they made less mistakes.

Nice thing about this game is that the Panthers now have hit bottom right off the bat. ANY win this season from this point forward has to be viewed as a step in the right direction.

And to think that most of us were worried about how Sunseri would play. LOL, he is the least of our problems. DEFENSE! Lets get some?

Comment by Dr. Tom 09.03.12 @ 9:51 am

One way to cure a losing attitude in a team is to infuse new blood be it coaching changes or new players. We’re stuck with our coaches for a while so it’s time to make changes in the starting lineup.

Forget about next year in the ACC, let’s start now to build momentum for next year with players who want to play football at Pitt.

It’s time for a change…


Comment by MariettaMike 09.03.12 @ 10:01 am

@Justinian, oh ya, I realize that, but, just looking back, who would have known what the next 30 years was going to bring.

@Wally. Initially, I was on the students case the past few years, but, after talking to a few of them, just what you said. If they don’t leave early, they wait in line for several hours. Thought they may be making it out to be a bigger deal than it is, but you confirming it lets me believe what they said.

Remember that age too, sure some are sports fans, but a lot go to the game for the fun, and the booze and chicks afterwards. That was always part of the fun.

If you’re on campus, you can stumble out of the stadium at the end right into the bars of choice. Have to get in a line, for a ride, to get on a bus, to take you back to school???

I know there is no room on campus, not bringing that argument up. I hate this phrase “it is what it is”, but that’s it. You’re miles from campus and have to bus there, ya, I’m probably leaving early, if I even go at all. If the games on tv, definitely would have found me at the Keg, Zelda’s or Calicos watching the game, getting primed for the evening.

Comment by Dan 09.03.12 @ 10:45 am

I can’t comment on Chryst after one game. Hell, I usually say a coach always gets two or three years.

Just very disappointed. I didn’t expect him to “coach up” this group to beat Va Tech or ND or even Louisville (who looked pretty good yesterday when they had their starting qb in), but……..

getting hammered by YSU, and the lack of any inspiration at all, has me pretty deflated on the whole season.

Especially the lack of inspiration for the opening game. These guys should have been coming out like they were shot out of cannons.

As for talent, I wasn’t at camp, and frankly I don’t care. These are Div 1 players, even if the cupboard is somewhat bare, to come out with that steaming pile of crap of a game was inexcusable, no matter the talent level.

Maybe you start out 2-5, 3-6, then I could listen to someone tell me “hey, I told you we didn’t have much”.

Opening day against that team, to soil the field like they did. NO EXCUSES!! Absolutely horrible!

Comment by Dan 09.03.12 @ 10:53 am

For those of you crying about Wanny being gone, well that was his team in all it’s glory Saturday night. Those were mostly his recruits. And running Wanny style D, and Wanny’s QB, we got Wanny results. For those of you who think Tino wasn’t so bad, you must have been watching on your computer. He not only can’t throw diownfield, he throws behind receivers on the short passes or occasionally just at their feet. With a better QB, Pitt could have won this game.

Comment by Velvil 09.03.12 @ 11:15 am

Just read that Pitt returned tickets to UC. Apparently no interest in the team. Pederson has got to go. Is there any pitt alum interested in the position, ala Pat Hayden, Oliver Luck, Tom Osbourne, Barry!!!

Pederson is cheap and always has been. We could have kept the OL coach if Pederson would have paid. Return on Investment occurs when you invest. Pederson doesn’t do that. He is cheap. When will people see that he hurt pitt his first time here, nearly killed Nebraska and is now killing pitt again. It starts at the top people and he is unfortunately, the top. He got to go, we got to stay!

Russ Grimm as AD? Mark May? TD? Tom Clement? Is there anyone out there that Steve P hasn’t alienated that we could bring back with open arms and let them run a program? Anyone? …..Damn crickets!

Comment by dhuffdaddy 09.03.12 @ 11:16 am

I’m not sure how we can say the defense is talented. Aside for Donald and perhaps Holley, who that was out on the field Saturday has actually shown in game situations that they are ‘talented’?

KK Smith was OK at best last season; Clemmings has shown nothing; Manny Williams and Eric Williams have shown nothing; Grigsby hasn’t every played before so we know nothing about him; Tags hasn’t played that well as a starter, Lippert is a journeyman, Ezell hasn’t shown anything during play, Hendricks has been up and down, Vinopal (who I really like) hadn’t played at PITT yet, etc…

Sorry but IMO we aren’t that talented and certainly not talented enough to overcome the real lack of experience going into 2012. That said, I think this group will be better in the future than we saw against YSU. Get some experience actually playing and we’ll see how talented they actually are but it may take half a season.

Comment by Reed 09.03.12 @ 11:30 am

Velvil – to blame this loss on Sunseri is scapegoating at it’s worse. Our defense couldn’t stop YSU at all and couldn’t keep them from converting 3rd and 4th down conversions when it mattered.

Comment by Reed 09.03.12 @ 11:33 am

Pitt-for-life, how can you blame the students for a lack of enthusiasm when this team has consistently sucked since 1982. I was a student during our Fiesta Bowl season and when the team won and was ranked, Heniz was filled. The next year when they lost to Ohio U., Nebraska, and ND to start the season, the place was empty.

I am a football nut and will go no matter what. The typical college kid wants to get loaded and laid and the team will have to win to get them interested and in the stadium for the whole game.

Comment by AJ 09.03.12 @ 11:47 am

MariettaMike, we may be stuck with Chryst for a while but we aren’t necessarily stuck with all the coaches. Tony Levine,The University of Houston’s new coach, after an embarrassing loss to Texas State (not to be confused with The University of Texas but at least a FBS school) replaced his offensive coordinator one game into the season. It may not work but at least he has some balls. If Chryst had any he would shake up the staff and the players.

Comment by Houston Panther 09.03.12 @ 11:52 am

I just watched the first half of Wisconsin vs. 1AA Northern Iowa. Northern Iowa would have kicked the shit out of Pitt. They were really sticking it to the big O-Line of Wisky and although they weren’t winning, they made an impression.

Comment by AJ 09.03.12 @ 11:55 am

Well all that really needs to be said that the OC kept the plays pretty simple, except for the occasitional long pass. They let him throw it deep 3 times straight. They wouldnt do that last year. Graham looked surprisingly good for just coming back from his injury. Two many dropped passes. The Defense was terrible and whats worse is they couldnt get YSU off the field so that our offense could do better. Whats worse is that the offense didnt take any chances. or tried to keep running up the middle. There was no originality in the play calling. The same exact play. We got 4 days till Cincy. If we can beat Cincy i believe we will be alright. Put the names back on the damn jerseys.

Comment by Kohan 09.03.12 @ 12:06 pm

I attended Apollo-Ridge HS. You want to talk about a bad HS football program. They had a few good seasons but for the most part pitiful. I have never railed against them because such is life.

I agree with Reed and others. What did the veteran players prove the previous two years, not much. What top shelf talent was in the Pitt Football cupboard for PC, not much. What did the veteran players prove last evening, not much.

It is childish to say the least to crucify PC after one game in light of the above. It is shortsighted and is only magnified through the looking glass of the last two years of Pitt Football.

Will PC change the defeated culture of this program, only time will tell. But I want him to weed out any vestiges of accepted mediocrity, piss-poor/self-entitled/non-hard working players and any visions of grandeur for a team with as many holes as this one.

On a side note Reed, while TS was not terrible his limitations were there for all to see…

Comment by Kenny 09.03.12 @ 12:11 pm

Reed, now do you realize the battle i’ve been fighting over this past year in trying to convince many here that it is not always about the QB? I was much more alarmed about Pitt getting stuffed 3 times by a DII team than i was about the QB.

And BTW, Arizona St ran the ball an incredible 51 times the other night (for > 300 yds) vs 20 passes. Do you think that OL matters??

Comment by wbb 09.03.12 @ 12:19 pm

Let me add one small bit of perspective: I was at the Pitt-Iowa game last year. At the start of the 4th quarter, the student section was virtually deserted, and only the first 5-10 rows or so were filled. People just don’t stick around for blowouts. Now Iowa turned around to win that game, and if you ask most students, they’ll swear they were at that game, but I can tell you for a fact that AT LEAST 75%–and that is a conservative estimate–had left. Now, if students are leaving at Iowa, which is right on the campus, with nothing else to do, against a BCS team, on a nice day, as part of a program that has had a lot of recent success, how much can you fault any Pitt fan for leaving yet another disaster, in the rain, against an FCS team, mired in one of the worst stretches in program history, where we have had ONE ten-win season in the past 30+ years. Yeah its a disgraces, blah, blah, blah, but Pittsburgh sports fans aren’t stupid. They’re loyal, and they will come back (see: Pirates) but you have to put a winning product on the field first.

Comment by TartanPanther 09.03.12 @ 12:35 pm

I don’t know why people are complaining about student attendance right now. I thought turnout was quite strong for a rain soaked game against a D1 FCS opponent. But with performances like that, I’d have trouble blaming Pitt fans if attendance averaged 20,000 per game for the rest of the season. Simply put: we need to win. And getting manhandled by programs that are supposedly inferior is, undoubtedly, a huge setback.

Comment by PatMac 09.03.12 @ 12:49 pm

Teams take on the character of their coach. Our coach is a laid back, always tired-sounding, a nice guy.

Is it any wonder that Pitt on Saturday night played laid-back, tired, and nice?

And those of you who (still) say Chryst must stay, is THAT what you want? Really?? And if so, why?

Contrast that with lowly Colorado State out here, on nobody’s map, not even in Colorado. But they hired Jim McIlwain, the OC at Alabama, as their first-time head coach.

And CSU was amazingly inspired on Saturday, feeding off their amped-up coach to beat a much more talented Colorado Buffs team.

Looks like we hired the wrong OC…

Comment by Imma Man! Im 40! 09.03.12 @ 12:50 pm


– Well 475 comments in and I think all agree that wasn’t a good game by Pitt.

– I haven’t seen PC full interview but wonder if anyone asked why they didn’t seem to adjust the D to what YSU was doing. Was it due to them as coaches just missing it or do they feel the players can only do what’s been asked. Either way, the lack of making ingame adjustments has been Pitt’s biggest trouble and that didn’t seem to be fixed with the new guys.

– I see some already want to fire PC. Well, you might want to start watching a different team then since that’s not going to, nor should it, happen. He’s going to at least get 3 and more likely 5 years to build the team the way he wants it.

– And let’s be honest, the players they’re working with are mainly leftovers by the past coaches. Any of the really good ones are already in the NFL. If DW was still the coach today, I’d say 3/4 of these guys wouldn’t even be starting. That doesn’t mean I think DW was the greatest coach in the world, but to me, this highlights the damage from inconsisent recruiting for the past couple years.

– For this year, it is what it is…unless either Graham or Shell become top 5 RB’s in the country or the D somehow figures out how to play football. Guess we’ll all find out on Thursday.

Comment by burgh1972 09.03.12 @ 12:58 pm

Kenny – as a coumterpoint. Yes, we know he has limitations. But he’s two points – watch the ESPN3 reply of the pass down the sidelines to Street that Sunseri “missed”. You’ll see Street practically jogging the route then turning up the speed when he realizes the ball is in that air. Ralph Fridgen the commantatory made note of Street’s poor effort twice on that play.

Second – for those who complain about Sunseri’s arm strength – watch that TD pass again. Sunseri throws a frozen rope 35 yards IN THE AIR between two defenders and perfectly into Brinson’s hands.

That was one of the best passes we’ve seen in years.

So yes, we say some poor plays but we also saw him complete 66% of his passes, no TOs and he took no sacks.

We had one three & out during that game. Our other three play drive ended only because of Street’s fumble.

Was it a great game? No, but he played well and to point to him for that loss is insane. Especially when our defense gives up drives of 10, 15, 15, and 12 plays. YSU scored on five of the six actual drives (not including running out the clock at each half). Five of six!

That is where the finger should point.

Comment by Reed 09.03.12 @ 1:05 pm

I would say Tino is not viewed in good light by the rest of the team and they don’t believe they can win with him at qb, they’ve seen this for 3 years and that kind of psychological block is hard to overcome.

Comment by Pittastic 09.03.12 @ 1:18 pm


Are you’re talking about the overthrow to Street in the first half?

Watching the replay, I believe Sunseri threw the ball to the outside and not right on top of the angle in which Street is running.

Chryst (and Rudolph) did design a safe conservative gameplan tailored to give Sunseri the best chance of success, a lot of short outside throws and sitdown routes for the TEs.

But give Tino credit. He executed it pretty well.

The problem with his performance is that he did not make any plays with his feet, not just running but also buying time in order to find a secondary receiver breaking free.

Sunseri simply doesn’t have the ability to make a big play out of an extended play. That really limits the big play ability of an offense.

Comment by PittofDreams 09.03.12 @ 1:43 pm

Has anyone heard anything more on the six clowns that got suspended?

Comment by Coach Ditka 09.03.12 @ 1:54 pm

Pittastic and PittofDreams both have valid/credible views in respect to TS. He is what he is that being a limited QB. He is not a play maker when needed to be one. When a player does not engender confidence/respect from his fellow players what is the end result…

Comment by Kenny 09.03.12 @ 1:58 pm

AJ & Pat Mack:

I sit in section 523 and watch the students leave at halftime and after sweet caroline…they were dead sat…and mostly all gone in the 4th quarter (and thats every game for that matter)
..if that is support then u guys are the “loaded ones”…College football is all about spirit and being proud of your university…these kids have six maybe seven home games a year…do your job and stay for the whole game..and scream your lungs out until they bleed!!

Comment by pitt-for-life 09.03.12 @ 1:58 pm

If you also recall.. regarding Chryst…

He has no goals for the coaches, players, etc.
Just get better…
That is not CEO/HC material…

Then regarding play calling… lol… 4th and 1 got the play in with 8 secs… snapped on 1 sec.. cluster fuck.
He wouldn’t commit to who was calling the plays… on offense or defense.
He is your typical control freak who can’t delegate… I noticed Chryst was running the practices with very little delegation to the DC or OC.

Comment by Joe D 09.03.12 @ 1:59 pm

Reed, yes; the defense is a serious problem. And from what I hear you can blame the DC for, at best, wanting to be anywhere else but Pitt; at worst, not giving a shit.

Comment by steve1 09.03.12 @ 2:06 pm

Coach Ditka:

(Chryst)…said the six suspended players will get to practice this week. He said he won’t decide until later in the week if they get to play at Cincinnati.

link to

Comment by steve1 09.03.12 @ 2:14 pm

Here’s my suggestion for the problem surrounding Sweet Caroline.

Move the song to either halftime or better yet save it for after the game for a “Fifth Quarter” performance by the Pitt Band.

Have the Pitt Band play Sweet Caroline in collaboration with the Pitt student section.

A Fifth Quarter featuring Sweet Caroline should help solve the problem of students leaving early for the gates.

For those who have not seen it, Fifth Quarters involving the school band are pretty popular at some schools.

One that comes to mind is Wisconsin were the tradition is for the band to play the Budweiser Thems song among others.

Win or lose it keeps the majority of fans and students in the stadium until the band has finished playing.

Comment by PittofDreams 09.03.12 @ 2:21 pm

C’mon, this loss is worth 500 posts!!!!!!!

Comment by Dan 09.03.12 @ 3:06 pm

I see more emotion from the gallon of milk in my fridge.
Comment by Dan 09.02.12 @ 11:40 pm


One of the classic lines EVER posted on PIttblather Dan-o


(you have to laugh as to not breakdown and cry when thinking of Pitt football these days )

Oy Vey
GRP !!

Comment by Emel 09.03.12 @ 3:27 pm

Solve the students leaving early in two steps:

1. No bus leaves until game is over.

2. Pass out a card after the game to anyone leaving. Card holders have priority on the bus over anyone in line.

As to control freaks. President Carter was a control freak. He personally spent time deciding the White House tennis court schedule.

And he was a pretty good President. Oh, wait a minute, never mind.

Comment by 66Goat 09.03.12 @ 3:28 pm

Seriously I’m thinking of opening a halfway house Counseling Center for PITT alumni since 1963.

We will offer counseling and other things(massive quantities of booze) to deal with the fortunes of following PITT football !!

Oy Vey (the new school motto)
GRP !! (get rid of Pederson)

Comment by Emel 09.03.12 @ 3:31 pm

@Pitt of Dreams

Great idea I love it, a 5th Quarter.
Only problem is somebody like Wisconsin usually wins 95% of their home games. So people are in a celebatory spirit for some 5th quarter fun.

Somebody like us (pITT) we lose 50% of our home games and usually always against anyone of note.

So while i love the idea, I can’t imagine staying after, say the latest home loss to YSU, to sing Sweet Caroline or anything else, how about We are the Champions (not).

Maybe the theme to Charlie Brown would me more appropriate, we could all hum along since it’s instrumental. :-)

Oy Vey

Comment by Emel 09.03.12 @ 3:42 pm

No bus leaves till the game is over?

GREAT! Then NO ONE WILL GO. No one wants to see these pathetic losers get drunk the night before a game, get suspended, and get their asses handed to them.

You CANT force fans to like their team. You have to EARN fans. Fans want to cheer-they’ve wanted to for years-but we fail year after year. Fans are sick of it. Students don’t care-why should they? The team sucks

Comment by anonymouspitt 09.03.12 @ 3:51 pm

@E-mel, mark me down for a seat in your charter school!!!

Comment by Dan 09.03.12 @ 5:36 pm

Reed — how much does Sal pay you? That’s such a bogus argument about Street jogging…are you serious. Tino had plenty of time to see the play develop and make the throw on what he saw — Street wide open behind the db — and he still blew it. As I said previously, he made a nice throw on the td to Brinson but missed badly on any throw that required touch. Anderson better strap it on this week ’cause he’s likely going in at Cincy.

Comment by Matt N. 09.03.12 @ 6:20 pm

No – that 1st half pass was on the wrong shoulder & a bad pass. I meant the 2nd half deep sideline route at the 12:20 mark of the 4th quarter.

Comment by Reed 09.03.12 @ 7:08 pm

It would be nice to have another passing stat which tracks completions that are of 2 yards or less. It looks like the Pitt QB would have a lot of completions in this column.

Comment by move_on 09.03.12 @ 7:34 pm

Can’t blame the students. The stadium requires a bus ride to get to, the parking situation is horrific even if they have cars and the team has waffled between horrid and mediocre from a decade before they were born.

There is no emotional attachment. How are you supposed to build positive emotions when the whole thing is just a terrible experience? Get up early as hell so you can take a bus to Heinz Field for a noon kickoff to watch Pitt struggle to beat terrible teams or to get blown out buy the good ones. Even the kids from Western PA would have absolutely no positive memories of this team growing up.

I’m from Jersey and only went to Pitt because a scholarship made it cheaper than Rutgers (a school with a very similar fan base, just missing the decade of success and the old timers holding on to a dead in state rivalry). The only reason I even care is because I love football, I saw some great wins (VT leaving BE, ND so proud of this fucking football team, and WVU dagger) and I enjoy stuffing my face and binge drinking in parking lots.

Comment by Chris 09.03.12 @ 11:24 pm

I’m also a Jets fan. I’m used to the sheer hopelessness of it all. I’ve been watching Sunseri on Saturday and then Sanchez on Sunday. I hate football.

Comment by Chris 09.03.12 @ 11:28 pm

“inside, outside, leave me alone
inside, outside, nowhere is home
inside, outside, where have I been
out of my brain, on the 5:15″

Comment by Dan 09.04.12 @ 12:14 am

Matt – It wasn’t just me that noticed Street pulling up on his sideline route. Everyone around me at the stadium commented on it as it happened right below us. Also, Ralph Friedgen, the ESPN3 color man, noticed it and commented it during the live action and on the replay. I’d say Friedgen knows what he’s talking about.

This is the 4th quarter pass I’m talking about – not the poor throw on the 1st half pass where Street was wide open and Sunseri blew it. That was a typical Sunseri muff.

Comment by Reed 09.04.12 @ 6:56 am

Hoopies reach a new low. It is reported that some WVU students were chanting, “Hope your plane crashes” to the Marshall football team after the game. And they wonder why they have such a bad national reputation. I will take our classy Pitt students any day over a bunch of drunk, rude and classless Hoopie Hillbillies in Morgantown.

Comment by Panther Fan in Hoopieland 09.04.12 @ 11:57 am

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