August 2, 2012

Cinci Wants to Get Paid

Filed under: Big East,Conference,Money — Chas @ 10:17 am

Ever since Cinci joined the Big East, they have been trying to play catch-up in terms of facilities and bringing in money. Really, for most of their time in the Big East they have been in the red. Now, they want their cut from the extra money the Big East has to deal with their issues.

“We had some conversations about it yesterday,” said UC athletic director Whit Babcock. “Hopefully we’ll know by the end of the calendar year. Not all of those payments are in lump sums. Some of them are a five-year payment. There’s also entrance fees, which for Houston, SMU and those schools is $2.5 million to come in to the league — $500,000 for five years. So we’ve got entrance fees. We’ve got exit fees. I hate to see those schools go, but we’ve got a new successful league and I’ll be happy to take the funding.”

Babcock said the school is continuing to move forward on plans and funding for the renovation of Fifth Third Arena and Nippert Stadium.

The Big East, of course is saying, “Whoah. Slow down with all this money talk. We don’t really have that much… Or a plan.”

“One of the misconceptions is that we have this pile of money sitting in a bank,” Carparelli said. “A lot of those payments are staggered over a period of years, so it’s not at our disposal just yet. In addition, we’ve incurred a lot of expenses throughout this process: legal expenses, consultants. It’s money well spent. We don’t know what all those expenses are just yet. So the prudent thing to do is to figure out what our expenses are, use that money to pay them and then divide up the remaining amount among the ongoing members.”

That means the five remaining Big East football schools (Cincinnati, UConn, Louisville, Rutgers, USF) and the eight remaining non-football schools will receive the money. Carparelli said they have not determined how the money would be divided between the football and non-football schools.

That should be a fun discussion between the football and basketball schools.

Basketball schools will want at least 40%, after all they are members of the Big ‘messy’ East too! They deserve some new facilities along with those meddling football schools…

Comment by Benzene 08.02.12 @ 10:30 am

it’s hard to believe the league doesn’t have a ballpark figure of its expenses. or can it be explained by remembering that it’s the big east?

Comment by pittkeith 08.02.12 @ 10:34 am

Penn state kicker anthony fera transfer to texas
if you count commits they have lost 10 i think that is the total so far.

Comment by FRANKCAN 08.02.12 @ 10:34 am

Does the ACC have an entrance fee of any type, or could the ACC be similar to the Big 12 by giving the new teams less money for the first few years?

Comment by LehighEngineer 08.02.12 @ 10:43 am

This is too funny. Good ridence to the BE. Nice to see the cohesiveness of the remaining schools all scrambling for “their piece of the pot”.

Comment by Pitt it IS 08.02.12 @ 10:43 am

too bad fera didnt come here. someone needs to challenge harper!

Comment by Pitt it IS 08.02.12 @ 10:44 am

Wow, what a joke of a conference. Its so sad its funny and so funny its pathetic.

Comment by TartanPanther 08.02.12 @ 10:48 am

Mr Swofford, please consider ND (and any other school) as an all sports member only.

Comment by wbb 08.02.12 @ 11:03 am

wbb, that shows the weakness of the league in that the BE has allowed schools to be part-time participants wether it be ND sucking off the conference in ways that only benmefit them to basketball only schools. If you are not fully committed, GET OUT.

Comment by Pitt it IS 08.02.12 @ 11:59 am

Thankfully we are leaving this mess of a football conference. Ever since the ACC raid the BE has never been able to rebuild and stabalize into a legit football conference.

Looks like some of those nitters are having second thoughts on all their pledges to stay. Had there been more time to make a decision I think we easily could have seen a mass exodus.

How long do you think they can hold onto the QB Hatterberg?? Sooner or later he’s going to realize that he’s not going to have much talent there to work with and a QB has to have talent around him to shine – OL, RB, and WR’s.

Comment by Coach Ditka 08.02.12 @ 12:15 pm

Having your cake and eating it too! That’s aways a good deal, if you can get it. Why wouldn’t Notre Dame’s Athletic Director Jack Swarbrick be pissed off with Syracuse and Pitt. Notre Dame had a sweetheat deal. Now that the conferenced is diminished, Notre Dame may have look at other options. They got to be part of the best basketball confernce in the nation, which was tremendous for their basketball program. Notre Dam’s olympic sports teams in the Big East, got to play throughout the north eastern cities, where they they have their biggest fan support. AND they got to keep own football TV money and remail an independent in football.

Comment by Justinian 08.02.12 @ 1:16 pm

PSU has a stonghold in central and Eastern PA as well as northern Maryland. The media in those areas are, for the most part, PSU shills, and the koolaid is constantly force fed throughout. On a few occasions, I have driven accross PA (both turnpike and I80)on a fall Saturday and swear that at least 50% of the AM stations on the radio dial carry PSU games.

Most of the recuits who have sworn in have been exposed to this their entire life, and it’s been their dream for a long time. It’s possible that a few of them may change their mind come LOI time but no guarantee.

Chas can relate to this as OSU has this stronghold thru much of Ohio.

Comment by wbb 08.02.12 @ 1:20 pm

Wbb is right. Im from the rival high school of “superstar” TE prospect adam brenaman. And its completely penn state. And its annoying. I cant go 5 min without someone talking about penn state. The only one who got into central pa for recruiting was wanny.

Comment by Bfet 08.02.12 @ 2:27 pm

wbb, Yes, Ohio State gets pretty much whoever they want in Ohio. Heck before the scholarship limits, Woody Hayes would recruit guys just so his rivals wouldn’t get them. Their 4th and 5th team guys would be starters in other programs. When the NCAA starting putting limits on the number of recruits, teams like Boston College started to get players.

Comment by Justinian 08.02.12 @ 2:34 pm

If penn state players want to leave this year they must go bye aug 27 per NCAA.
But penn state has given them till aug 7 they said you are in or you are out we dont want any fence sitters.
I wonder if puting it that way is ok or could they be in trouble with the NCAA for saying that.

Comment by FRANKCAN 08.02.12 @ 2:34 pm

what is up with penn state LB mike hull is he leaveing or staying and do we have a shot if he leaves

Comment by FRANKCAN 08.02.12 @ 2:46 pm

Frank – my understanding is that PSU is not permitted to do anything that would overtly interfere with a player that wanted to transfer. My guess is that if a player challenged the Aug. 7 date that PSU would not have any standing to stop them. It will be interesting to see if the NCAA is proactive in squashing this.

Is the Aug. 27 date the deadline for players to transfer and still play this season? I was under the impression that players had a full year to decide whether to transfer, but once this season started, they would not be able to play for their new school until next fall. In other words, a player could transfer in October, and would be eligible next year (but couldn’t play the rest of this year), whereas normally they would have to sit out next year.

Comment by Pantherman13 08.02.12 @ 3:36 pm

pantherman13 what i have read is they can transfer next year if they want you are right but if they want to join a outher team this year it has to be bye aug 27.
but the strangth coach was quoted as saying and i dont think he would say this on his own bye aug 7 you are in our you are out we dont want any fence sitters that must be when there camp starts.
but the NCAA has said it is bye aug 27 i wonder if that statement counts as interference and breaks a NCAA ruleing all ready.

Comment by FRANKCAN 08.02.12 @ 3:59 pm

Bye st penn and Seeya big least Hail To Pitt

Comment by 63Team 08.02.12 @ 4:11 pm

Penn State has lost one more OT Ryan Nowicki
the total is now 11 if count the commits that
decommitrd or it could be 12 it is geting hard to
keep up.

Comment by FRANKCAN 08.02.12 @ 4:17 pm

Thanks Frank – that makes sense (the Aug. 27 deadline).

I’m guessing the NCAA doesn’t do anything about the coaches saying they want commitments by Aug. 7, but if they actually try to stop someone from transferring, or try to keep other schools from contacting players, that would be a different story.

Comment by Pantherman13 08.02.12 @ 4:23 pm

pantherman13 you are right they would have to stop some one; so far more have left than i thought would but only 3 front line players
the outhers are commits or this years freshmen or back ups but it all hurts them.

Comment by FRANKCAN 08.02.12 @ 4:44 pm

As a follow-up to my last post, Dokish indicates on his blog that if a PSU player starts practicing with the team (practice starts Aug. 7), then they cannot transfer and play this year. I don’t know if this is correct, but frankly, it makes no sense. The start date of practice is somewhat arbitrary, and I can’t recall any other similar restrictions being tied to practice rather than games. Of course, this is totally different than anything else, so…

Funny, I can almost hear all of the PSU faithful crowing about how they didn’t want any of the players that transferred anyhow.

Comment by Pantherman13 08.02.12 @ 4:57 pm

You’re right, Pantherman. I saw it yesterday on black shoes diary. Paraphrasing, a psu poster said, to those players who are transferring, good riddance, they weren’t one of us anyway.

They pull their heads out of the sand only long enough to take another generous sip of the koolaid.

But fall camp is almost here and the football season is less than a month away. Bettere things to obsess over than the clueless nits.

Comment by dinosaur 71 08.02.12 @ 7:36 pm

The Cincy game is key this year. If Pitt wins, we could be looking at a very good season…like Big East champions. It may very well come down to South Florida at the end of the year. Let’s hope Pitt rises to the occasion just for once.

Comment by TX Panther 08.02.12 @ 8:03 pm

I am bored these posts suck it is time to stir
the pot.
I know there is a long way to go with recruiting
but we have only 3 players that a high major
school like ohio state or usc would want the
rest of are class belongs in the mac with schools
like toledo or miami of ohio.

so if coach does not do better before LOI day we will have the worst recruiting class in 10 years

I know there is still time but it is not looking good i am not saying he is a bad coach but next year he will need to hire some ace recruiters to help him or soon he wont have shit to coach.

Comment by FRANKCAN 08.02.12 @ 9:43 pm

Amen, Frank. I too have not drunk the warm milk.

I am underwhelmed.

If it were not for Riley…

Comment by steve1 08.02.12 @ 9:50 pm

steve1 if the posts tomorrow are as boreing as today i will post the same thing that should stir
the pot dont you think.
and steve1 unless you have drank the warm milk as you say they must see it or may be they are blinded bye the light that was a song i think.

Comment by FRANKCAN 08.02.12 @ 10:23 pm

Comment by steve1 08.02.12 @ 10:27 pm

steve1 you are on the ball it must be the boiler makers.
tomorrow we must stir the pot it has been way to bland on here lately.
no push no life .

Comment by FRANKCAN 08.02.12 @ 10:37 pm

It is boring right now! I will not obsess about things that we dream up that may have no connection to reality! I won’t! I won’t! I will not obsess about recruiting until much closer to LOI DAY! I won’t! I won’t! I won’t obsess about the stupid nits and their mess and where there players and recruits may or may not be going. I won’t! I won’t! If I do any of these things somebody please get me into a psych. hospital or a 12 step program!

Comment by opfim 08.02.12 @ 10:53 pm

Or just smack me!

Comment by opfim 08.02.12 @ 11:02 pm

opfim good for you that is what we need some fire some life things are working some push some thing real good man but on paper to this point in time recruting does suck our as steve1 has said have you drunk the warm milk.

Comment by FRANKCAN 08.02.12 @ 11:02 pm

Well it is late good night.

Comment by FRANKCAN 08.02.12 @ 11:15 pm

well, it won’t be so boring starting next week. Then ‘the Voytik or Myers should start at QB’ rants will begin everytime they complete a pass in practice.

Comment by wbb 08.03.12 @ 8:13 am

So you guys want to “stir the Pot”? OK how about this for starters?


Comment by Dr. Tom 08.03.12 @ 8:26 am

Call me crazy but I think tino will have a year similar to Wisconsin qb before Wilson, solid game manager few int and sacks. I really think the change from cignetti to fraud screwed him up way worse than anyone can understand. I am no tino apologist, almost ran out onto the field during final seconds of the 1st half vs uconn, but I really think he will be solid not fantastic, but effective.

Comment by John 08.03.12 @ 9:27 am


Comment by FRANKCAN 08.03.12 @ 9:30 am

@ John, as always during preseason/fall camp, “hope springs eternal”! And, man am I hoping,,, hoping,,,, and hoping some more.

Comment by Dr. Tom 08.03.12 @ 9:57 am

Guys, there’s hope. Billy Stull took until his final year to come around. If you recall, he did pretty good job and performed well that year.

Comment by Justinian 08.03.12 @ 10:03 am

well, Stull took a similar offseason berating as Tino following his performance at the Sun Bowl where Pitt lost to Ore St 3-0. This was extended into pre-season when RS freshman Tino Sunseri looked impressive against the 2nd team defense.

This came to a boil after Pitt’s opening season win over YSU 38-3, when Stull was roundly booed. Despite this, Wanny stayed with Stull in lieu of Sal’s son (imagine that!) .. and Pitt eventually got their 1st double digit win season since 81.

Lesson to be learned!

Comment by wbb 08.03.12 @ 10:20 am

Just dont tell EMel that tino is are best chance to win.

Comment by FRANKCAN 08.03.12 @ 10:45 am

It’s all about the play caller and qb relationship. Look at Brian Kelly at cincy he made 2 star qb’s look like all Americans because they bought in at nd he has all Americans and they look like middle schoolers because they are scared of him screaming at them. Clearly tino was comfortable with cignetti and hated fraud, I think chryst is going to regain tino’s comfort level and he will be solid. Of course I can easily see myself wanting to throw up after game 4 but I just have a gut feeling that he will be solid this year.

Comment by John 08.03.12 @ 2:59 pm

Also, chryst needs to keep a large presence in Ohio, as a ytown native I have seen Ohio state, Michigan, Michigan state, notre dame, Nebraska, Oklahoma, and Penn state take the best of the best-Pitt has gotten a few but with psu now being a black sheep pitt has a golden opportunity especially with acc move to have a stronger influence and get guys from cincy wvu and the others.

Comment by John 08.03.12 @ 3:04 pm

I’m very excited for Tino to get things going this year…is that good pot stirring?

Comment by J Bizzle 08.03.12 @ 3:39 pm

The funny, (read stupid) thing is that the Big East has still not learned it’s lesson that having a bunch of schools with different involvements, (read commitments) to the league just doesn’t work. Instead of having a unified all sports league, the Big East’s “different sports for different schools” format leads to “cliques” and discord among groups with different agendas. The Big East’s new schools being spread all across the country is just going to speed the demise of the league when the basically Catholic/private, non-football schools look at their travel expenses for basketball and the other sports. It can’t be too much longer until everyone in the Big East really, really gets sick and tired of Notre Dame laughing at the rest of the league members on its way to the bank after every Irish football game. Membership in the ACC will be extremely beneficial to Pitt and Syracuse financially, competitively and reputation wise. Athletically and academically Pitt is much better off rubbing elbows with the likes of Duke, Georgia Tech, North Carolina, Wake Forrest and Maryland than it would be with Boise State, USF and Temple.

Comment by Rich CAS 1970 08.03.12 @ 4:37 pm

Pitt is much better hangin with the coeds from those southern schools. I can look but I can’t touch…that’s what the wife tells me.

Comment by TX Panther 08.03.12 @ 5:15 pm

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