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June 19, 2012

Keeping the ACC Intact

Filed under: ACC,Conference,Expansiopocolypse — Chas @ 9:30 am

Frank the Tank has a very good post on ways the ACC can work to appease/keep FSU (and Clemson) in the fold. Some are simple fixes like the schedule issues and making sure to engage the faculties/academic side at both schools. The ND tie-in to the Orange Bowl also makes sense, and I’ve heard mentioned elsewhere. The divisional realignment to North-South (and designating Miami as “north”) makes a lot of sense, though, I suspect VT would be leading the fight against it as there is a reduced access to Georgia and the Carolinas for the North schools as a result. The ESPN part would be very important for the overall integrity of the conference, and would also reduce the risk of other schools running for lifeboats if there is a raid from the Big 12.

This is pretty simple: agree with ESPN that even if Florida State and Clemson leave, ESPN won’t reduce the value of the recently signed ACC TV contract (which averages a bit over $17 million per school per year).  There’s pretty clear precedent for this scenario with ESPN agreeing to do the same with the Big 12 in 2010 and then coming to an understanding with the Big 12 again in 2011 to have a new contract extension.  As I’ve noted in a previous post, the ACC is actually the single largest content provider to ESPN of any sports entity (whether college or pro), so there’s even less incentive for ESPN to see the ACC break apart compared to the Big 12 (with whom ESPN has a much more limited package) the last couple of years.  Contrary to what many fans seem to believe, ESPN has a significant interest in not seeing the formation of superconferences because they do not want to deal with concentrated power entities that have NFL-type negotiating leverage.  Dispersal of power is how ESPN is able to keep college sports rights fees somewhat in check.  (To put rights fees in perspective, the Big Ten, which is the wealthiest conference, currently receives about $100 million per year from ESPN/ABC for first tier rights.  By comparison, ESPN pays over $100 million per game to the NFL for Monday Night Football.)

The irony of this scenario is that would kick in over $2 million in TV money per year extra to each of the remaining 12 ACC schools, which would raise their total annual per school payouts to close to the $20 million level that the Big 12 is reportedly negotiating with ESPN and Fox.  So, Florida State and Clemson could end up leaving for more TV money in the Big 12, which would actually result in an increase in TV money for the rest of the ACC that would match what the Big 12 schools receive.  That would certainly be enough to take TV rights fees off the table as an issue for the remaining ACC members.

On the matter of the divisional changes, the opposition would be strongest from Virginia Tech and probably Maryland. VT loves the recruiting inroads it has made to the south and Maryland likely would not like to be further isolated from its original member schools. From a Pitt side of things, a shift would be fine. Having Maryland as an annual football game simply makes the most sense. Maryland will be the school closest to Pitt in the ACC and the ACC is setting things up for a Pitt-Maryland basketball rivalry. They just aren’t doing it from a football side as well.

I would add two other things to the list, that could help. Improve the ACC officiating in football. Don’t think it doesn’t contribute to Clemson and FSU dissatisfaction with the less-than-impressive ACC officiating crews. An area of constant gameday frustration and one that contributes to the perception of the ACC caring more about basketball than football.  A visible, tangible commitment to improving officiating not only helps the conference’s image, but can diminish at least a little the anger towards the conference.

The other thing. It is time for Commissioner John Swofford to go.  Swofford has become too polarizing to dissatisfied members. Not simply FSU and Clemson. The perception of being biased towards basketball and the Tobacco Road schools — in particular, UNC — has made him hated by large contingent of fans of schools in the ACC.

In that respect, he’s a lot like Dan Beebe in the Big 12. Beebe was not a strong leader, but he was smart. A lot of the reforms and changes that Chuck Neinas implemented in the Big 12 were original suggestions, ideas and pushed by Beebe. He didn’t have the support to make them happn. He was seen as too much in the pocket of Texas that led to distrust of who’s agenda he was really serving. In the end, the conference could only move beyond their own ongoing expansiopocolypse saga by getting rid of him to unite the remaining members.

The big noise last week, though, was Clemson Coach Dabo Swinney blasting the idea of Clemson leaving the ACC and the impact of the rumors on recruiting.

“In my opinion, going to the Big 12 would be the worst thing you could do as a program,” Swinney told media at Clemson prior to his annual youth camp. “It makes zero sense. We are the ACC. This is a program, we just won the championship, won it more times than anyone in this conference. We can fulfill every goal and dream as a program right here in his conference.”

Clamor to the contrary has affected the Tigers’ recruiting, according to Swinney. Prospects in Clemson’s wheelhouse of South Carolina, Georgia, Florida and North Carolina, it seems, are not interested in playing in a midwestern conference.

“I’ve had to live it for about the last month,” Swinney said in a video posted on YouTube, “and it’s been very negative. … I’ve had to spend a lot of time re-recruiting guys and assuring them we’re not going to the Big 12.

“We have a footprint at Clemson that’s been established for a long, long time. The southeastern footprint has been our bread and butter. That’s what’s made Clemson. People don’t want to leave here. They want to play here. That’s a fact.”

In separate remarks quoted by the Anderson Independent-Mail’s Greg Wallace, Swinney said: “It’s been a real distraction. We’re 1,000 percent committed to the ACC. …

“Quite frankly, there’s been a lot of irresponsible blogging, reporting, whatever you want to call it. We live in this world nowadays where some guy hears something from a guy the third stall down in the bathroom and it’s like, ‘OK, that’s fact. That’s the way it is.’ It’s so far from reality it’s not even funny, but it just takes on a life of its own.”

Of course, shortly after complaining of the impact on recruiting, Swinney got a commit from one of the top player in the country, so we should all have such recruiting disadvantages.

Needless to say, Shakin’ the Southland, a Clemson blog that is pro-Big 12 was not pleased. They downplay the actual impact as only “2-3 games a year out west.” It’s a fair point, though, I think it also downplays the overall impact on Clemson — especially in basketball. There would be a change to recruiting, and it would be unreasonable to believe that leaving a geographically logical conference for something less so would not have at least a short-term negative impact to recruiting.

Clemson’s basketball coach, Brad Brownell, helped to clarify what he and Swinney said when given a chance to talk to the Clemson Board of Trustees.

“We weren’t on very long,” he said. “But we made it known that’s what we thought (staying in the ACC) was best- that this is where we belong and that this is a natural fit for these programs. The grass is always greener and always looks better in other places sometimes but I don’t know if we always realize all the ramifications that come with it.

“If we decide to go to another league at some point, you know, I’ll get behind it and do whatever it is to help make the basketball program as good as it could be. But right now, I do feel like the league we are in is a very good one- especially in basketball.

“I think Dabo thinks that football-wise the league could be better and the league will get better. Certainly he wants to put a little more pressure on people in the league office and everywhere else to do a little bit better job marketing football and things of that nature. We want the league to be as good as it can be in all sports and we feel like that can happen and we both can achieve the goals we want to achieve by being in the ACC.”

A little more nuanced. That said, the Clemson blog’s response makes it clear how much Clemson is a football school. More interesting to me was the fact that while Clemson fans are gung-ho for the Big 12, they seem to admit that the Board of Trustees for Clemson are hardly united. Others are saying that it seems Swinney got a tacit okay to be completely pro-ACC from a BOT member.

The fact that reports are now saying that  — at best — the move to what kind of playoff model college football embraces could be pushed back possibly until at least September, rather than the end of June. Something that makes it more likely that the Big 12 (and FSU and Clemson) will wait to see what the structure is before any moves get made.

Honestly I don’t think Swinney’s comments have any impact on expansiopocolypse and Clemson. I liken them to Coach Jamie Dixon’s responses to the Big 10 and Pitt rumors a few years back. Dixon made it very clear how uninterested he was in going to the Big 10. His recruiting has been based entirely on the East Coast and going to the Big 10 would have completely changed things. But in the end, if the Big 10 had offered, of course Pitt would have gone. The money, stability and every thing else would have made it a no-brainer. Even if it meant that Dixon would be unhappy or even leave. That’s what it means for Clemson. The fans may not like it because they want to have everyone thinking what they think, but it really has no impact on Clemson’s decision.

The only decision that matters for Clemson is what Florida State does. Simply enough, for Clemson, they are the travel partner. They are the even number and logistic necessity the Big 12 has to take if they expand and FSU decides to go.

 





I like the comment by the Clemson BB coach the “the grass is always greener … ”

Most fans see the advantages of B12 FB but (like WVU), in addition to the recruting disdvantges, few want to gage the excessive travel and costs for the team and fans for all other sports.

Comment by wbb 06.19.12 @ 10:00 am

The main issue is that fans are convinced that there are untold riches in the Big 12. A key quote from the Clemson blog: “He thinks $10M extra dollars a year would be the worst thing for Clemson?” I seriously cannot fathom how adding FSU and Clemson to a conference will increase the rumored $200 million per year Big 12 pay out to about $324 million per year (17 million ACC which means 27 million from new Big 12). First Tier rights for the Big 10 are $100 million. So 1 old football power and another ACC school are worth more than an entire league. All the rumored money numbers come from the WVU blog site link to dudeofwv.blogspot.com Who by the way has gone from it is a done deal that will be announced in June to wait until late July.

Comment by Wardapalooza 06.19.12 @ 10:49 am

Chas, the problem with your analogy in the second-to-last paragraph is that Dixon is a basketball coach, a move to the B10 for Pitt would have been a football move. For most schools, a move that helps football at the expense of basketball will be executed without much loss of sleep. Dabo’s concerns were quite similar to Dixon’s, but to the extent the concurs are legitimate, they mean an awful lot more coming from a football coach.

Pitt football would have been fine recruiting in the B10. I think Clemson football would take a hit, and not just short-term, recruiting in the B12.

Comment by Sean 06.19.12 @ 11:09 am

I meant to type concerns, not concurs, at end of the first paragraph.

Comment by Sean 06.19.12 @ 11:10 am

Funny thing, reading posts from FSU and Clemson people, is the notion, that once they get the money and move to the Big 12, they will start vying for the national championship.

An argument, on the blog “Southland” Chas linked, has it right away.

A couple posts in, someone says, “ya, if we only have one loss in the ACC, and someone only has one loss from the Big 10, SEC, Big 12 or Pac12, we’ll get jumped in the rankings”.

Clemson people, FSU people, you’ve had nothing but 4, 5, and 6 loss seasons for the past 5 or 6 years. (That’s as far back as I went).

Both of you!!!

I give nothing away about the ACC, love the football, tremendous hoops, and the geography is right on, however, what exactly do you think you’ll do in football in the Big 12??

If you’re having 4-5-6 loss seasons in the ACC???

A few million more, is going to help you recruit just exactly who???????

First off, you’ve both had great recruiting years the past few years.

Secondly, you think because you can take a few extra trips to each recruits house, you’re gonna start stealing recruits from the states of Texas and Oklahoma???

Good luck with that.

If they leave, would be nice for ESPN to throw that bone of leaving the contract in place.

Everyone gets a few extra million, and just stay at 12.

No sense ever adding UCONN or Rutgers, unless they ever come with ND. Not happening, so stay at 12 with the extra money.

Hopefully some wise people are looking at this for the long term for their sake.

Comment by Dan 06.19.12 @ 12:59 pm

SMH @ this blog entry. The games can’t start soon enough so you can actually have something substantive to blog about. Your “expansiopocolypse” blog entries were cute at first, but now they’re just annoying. Your feeding into a story when there’s actually no story.

And another thing, we’re not even in the ACC yet and you want to have the commissioner replaced?? Seriously dude, get a grip and take a chill pill.

Comment by Cee 06.19.12 @ 5:49 pm

To say there is “no” story is as wrong as saying FSU is as good as gone! If we are not in the ACC why are we not at BE meetings and present at ACC meetings? If the Big 10 asked Pitt and ND to join tomorrow, would it not cost Pitt $20M to leave the ACC? I think Pitt is in the ACC, they just will not participate in games until next season.

Comment by HbgFrank 06.19.12 @ 8:16 pm

@CEE, why don’t you quit shaking your head, and post something we can talk about.

C’mon, give us a subject to talk about in the middle of June. C’mon. Want to talk about Shell’s summer classes?? How about “o” fries??
Let’s see, what else?? The naionality rooms??

Comment by Dan 06.19.12 @ 10:30 pm

@CEE, a couple other things. Never seen you post on here. What, you some kind of troll??? If you don’t like it, why are you reading it???

Here’s another thing. Your comment is shit, and I’ll tell you why. If you kept up with this blog, you would know there are tons of topics talked about, and to show you, that your comments have no foundation, here are Chas and Reeds last 12 blogs. In order.

1. Steven Adams–hoops
2. ACC intact- expansion
3. PSU scandal–PSU
4. RB from Jersey–recruiting
5. Pitt hoops looking for a replacement game–hoop
6. Transfer rules-hoops
7. Graduating players–hoops
8. Holgerson–WVU
9. Overview hoops recruiting–hoops
10. Big East lawsuit–BE
11. Rushel Shell-football
12. Recruiting a project–football

So, this goes to show me, you don’t follow Pitt Blather, as only ONE, ONE out of the last 12 subjects has had anything to do with expansion.

So, really, just STFU. Know those initials??

Comment by Dan 06.19.12 @ 10:43 pm

@Cee to say there isn’t a story is pretty foolish. If you read any FSU or Clemson related site, then you will see tons of discussion about why both schools need to leave the ACC. This topic should be discussed. FSU and Clemson’s membership in the ACC is important to Pitt as it directly impacts upon the quality of Pitt’s future conference and the revenues that Pitt will receive.

Also, Chas is spot on about Swofford being replaced. It is very clear that a sizeable contingent of the ACC is not happy with Swofford’s work. So if replacing Swofford will make it a lot less likely that football schools like Clemson and FSU leave, then he should be replaced. The stronger the ACC the better for Pitt. Pitt’s memebership status in the ACC is pretty irrelevant to the discussion.

Comment by Wardapalooza 06.20.12 @ 8:51 am

This is just a thought, a perfect world scenario nothing more: the only positive thing Swofford has done for the ACC is being proactive regarding expansion, targeting high level programs and actually landing them. If the 16 team superconference is as inevitable as people seem to think it is, would it not make sense for the ACC to target Penn State and Connecticut to complete their league? Forget Notre Dame, that’s not going to happen. If the ACC wants to ensure that no team will ever want to leave and boost its profile for every TV negotiation moving forward, Penn State would seem to be the most obvious and attainable target. They have always been an outlier in the Big 11. The conference showed Penn State exactly how they felt about them when they chose to expand west, not east and now their prejudice towards Pitt and the other northeast corridor schools has passed away. Connecticut is one BC vote away from already being in the ACC, all the conference needs is a football superpower to pair with them. Penn State seems the logical choice and, unlike the Big East, I actually think the ACC has the stones and clout necessary to try and pull off such a move. The end result would be a complete 16 team football and basketball juggernaut that would span the entire east coast from Boston to Miami, evenly distributed and would rival any college sports conference that could ever be created. Again, just a thought.

Comment by CJ 06.20.12 @ 11:30 am

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