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April 19, 2012

Woodall and Moore for Friday Surgery

Filed under: Basketball,Injury — Chas @ 3:42 pm

Both J.J. Moore and Tray Woodall will have surgery tomorrow.

Moore will have surgery to repair the fractured bone in his right foot, that he suffered last week.

Woodall will have surgery for a sports hernia. The injury he suffered at the end of the Duquesne game.

A sports hernia typically begins with a slow onset of aching pain in the lower abdominal region. Symptoms may include:

    • Pain in the lower abdomen
    • Pain in the groin
    • Pain in the testicle (in males)

Typically the symptoms are exacerbated with activities such as running, cutting, and bending forward. Patients may also have increased symptoms when coughing or sneezing. Sports hernias are most common in athletes that have to maintain a bent forward position…

That was not an injury that simply healed while Woodall was out. Woodall came back and played through the pain with a mix of pain-killing medications and just being tough enough to take the pain. Far tougher than I am.

The more I read about this kind of injury the more I cannot understand anyone who doubts Woodall’s dedication to Pitt and his teammates, or just how tough he is. He was definitely not at full strength when he returned and limitations were obvious, but he still went out there for the team.

Woodall’s surgery will have him rehabbing for the next eight weeks or so.





Much newfound respect should be given to Travon in light of this recent revelation. With Tray and Mr. Robison we should be set a the point for awhile.

Comment by Jeff in CPa 04.19.12 @ 3:58 pm

Agreed, Jeff in CPa. Don’t believe I would have been playing and cutting with that injury…

Comment by Bowling Green Panther 04.19.12 @ 4:44 pm

Thanks for the update Chas. What dedication, what guts.

Comment by steve1 04.19.12 @ 6:14 pm

One of the most frustrating aspects of reading this blog in recent memory has been the uninformed views of many people bashing Tray. Anyone who knows basketball and has watched Pitt basketball should know that the kid was not even close to 100% this year. Additionally, they should understand the developmental arch of a player. Check the tape. Kid is a gamer and was due for a breakout year. Granted I’m from NYC so I know what a baller this kid is. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: Tray has ice in his veins at the end of games. 1st or 2nd team all Big East next year, you heard it here first! Thanks Chas.

Comment by Gordo 04.19.12 @ 6:34 pm

well said Chas…I’ve been defending Woodall for a while and don’t understand why I have to. Before the injury he was our best player.

Comment by Tossing Thabeets 04.19.12 @ 7:37 pm

I dont think i could stand that mutch pain
hope he comes back ok.
tough kid

Comment by Frankcan 04.19.12 @ 7:39 pm

I think Tray’s surgery is nothing but good news. We should see more of what we saw in the first ten games or so last year when the season opens. Hope he’s 100% by the tipoff of the first game.

Am I crazy to expect a dramatic return to success next year? Gibbs became a liability over the course of the season, and Nas was never going to be much more than a roleplayer and he played hurt all year. We know Woodall can do everything asked of a Pitt PG, and Robinson sounds like he can spell him effectively. If Zeigler gets eligible, that could be a plain NASTY backcourt.

Adams is going to be a stud. While Taylor isn’t what we all wanted him to be, he can be effective at times. If Taylor is the second option under the basket instead of the key player, I think he can provide very solid minutes (albeit weak defensively). Patterson’s development has been encouraging.

I can’t wait for next season… get this sour taste out of my mouth.

Comment by pittbaster 04.19.12 @ 9:16 pm

Also, Tray was the LAST guy on the roster anyone should have been upset with. He was the glue on that team, and played at an elite level until the injury. When he and Gibbs were together int he backcourt early, they were shooting like 50+ percent from behind the arc. It was LETHAL.

Comment by pittbaster 04.19.12 @ 9:19 pm

TOUGH TRAY HAIL TO PITT

Comment by 63 Team 04.19.12 @ 10:29 pm

…I think I have hernia.

Comment by tacocat 04.20.12 @ 3:47 am

Good to see that “pain in the testicles” had to have the caveat in parenthesis (in males)…guess thats for the hoopies of west virginia! I think a few of their women have testicles.

Hail to Pitt. Tough guys.

Comment by Pitt it Is 04.20.12 @ 8:39 am

I am not a big believer in linear improvement so losing the summer league for these two doesn’t bother me.

The maturity I look for comes from between the ears…I don’t mean giving the required sound bites during the injury rehab process. I want them to reflect on what it was about other players who beat them that allowed that to happen.

Possessions in basketball are precious commodities. Turning the ball over does 2 things…it 1) absolutely keeps you from scoring, and 2) gives the foe a chance to score.

An 8 point win is then a game in which the loser turned the ball over twice and the foe converted both times…everything else in the game is equal.

In reality, that can happen in less than 15 seconds.

I want these guys to heal for sure, but I also want them to grow emotionally.

Comment by sfpitt 04.20.12 @ 9:00 am

I never question this kid’s toughness, attitude, or determination. Plus, he has hit some huge shots the past two seasons and this year even carried the team to two or three wins. I would be excited to see even further improvement.
However, his decision-making and ball-handling are not his strengths, and those are important qualities for a PG. He can and will be an important part of Pitt being successful, but I just don’t think that happens if the offense is consistently running through him. (Which is also why seeing Patterson’s development late last season could be so important.)

Comment by JW 04.20.12 @ 9:14 am

I mentioned this before… watch the documentary “The street stops here”… you can see the type of hoops program woodall came from. Also its been noted several times his broken home background. The kid is a fighter no doubt about it.

Comment by Snala The Panther 04.20.12 @ 9:53 am

Pitt won when Woodall played well. The problem was he was injured and when he did play he was inconsistent.

He needs to improve his consistency, but more importantly, Pitt needs to become less reliant him. Having Robinson take some of the load off him will be best for everyone.

Missing Greentree won’t matter at all for Moore and Woodall. Woodall missed it last year and Moore is, to use an old school expression, a total gunner. Greentree might have hurt his season last year, he felt like he should take every shot.

Comment by boubacar aw 04.20.12 @ 9:55 am

I agree with JW tray is a tough competitor but his comptitivness is not tempered by a realistic understanding of his skills on the court.

All players have to except their weaknesses to be effective at this level. When I watch Woodall, Gibbs, Fiedls, and Krauser play they all seem to lapse into that school yard mentality “I can beat anyone out here.” This is a double edge sword that has hurt Pitt often in the past especially in tournament play.

This is opposite of what I see of the Wannamaker, Young and Blair style of play. It is also different apparently from Robinson’s mindset.

In my opinion with Adams on the court Woodall would be the last player I would want playing PG. Like in the AAU and All-Star games Adams would become a bit player on Tray Woodall’s team.

Comment by drw 04.20.12 @ 10:17 am

Additonal comment – As a basketball coach for a few yeas at the high school level I have coached numerous players who had excellent athletic skills but lacked in some of the fundamentals of basketball and the nuainsces of the game.

Despite attempts to have such players play within the not paly beyond their capabilities when they went make on the court their mind set kicked in.
Like Dixon with Woodall often times you have no one else to turn to on the bench.

Tray will be better physically next year but that will not change the fact that against confernce schedule as a sophmore and junior Tray point production to turnovers, few assists, and defensive liabilities are not going to change. More importantly as a senior he is going to be convinced that this is “his team” and its success depends on him. This is contray to the fact that as skill levels goes he would be the 4 or 5 best player on the court if he played before Robinson which would be a mistake.

Comment by drw 04.20.12 @ 10:35 am

DRW, agreed. your articulating pretty much exactly what one of my main concerns for next year is. Woodall playing within himself is a solid, smart PG – exactly what we need at that position next year. If he presses like he did this year at time, he’s gonna cause TOs and/or waste possessions on less than ideal shots. I do think he’s smart and mature enough to know he can play facilitator / floor general and still ahve this be “his team”.

If you were wondering, my other concerns are : (i) lack of a pure shooter and (ii) lack of a PF. Both of these though can be hid in the right circumstances. (iii) can we man up on defense on the perimeter? I think this is going to be relatively OK, at least better this coming year since we’ll be longer and more athletic. Moore, Zeigler or Patterson in place of Gibbs; Woodall with a little more lateral quickness, presumably now he’ll be healthy; and Adams and Gilbert’s presense will mean there more room for error if the perimeter D gets beat on drives so they can play closer on shooters, i would htink.

Comment by PantherP 04.20.12 @ 1:21 pm

I think a lot of Woodall’s pressing this year was a result of the team’s deficiencies. With Gibbs’ struggles during the first part of the season he was the only offensive threat. When he got hurt, the team fell apart. Whe he can back he had two huge games and carried us. At that point, he had to feel the load. But he wasn’t consistentbenoughto carry to the end. With Patterson and Zanna stepping up in CBI, he seemed to have no problem letting the show go through others. Will that continue is the question.

Comment by Bowling Green Panther 04.20.12 @ 6:51 pm

Ha ha – guess we all just found out how little a HS basketball coach needs to know about the sport he is coaching.

Comment by Gopitt33 04.20.12 @ 8:53 pm

I had hernia surgery last year and when the DR. finished he asked me if I was an athlete when I was younger. When I told him I was he said “you had at least two hernias that are now completely healed”.

Imagine my surprise, I figured I was just in a constant state of Blue Balls.

Comment by Reed 04.22.12 @ 10:01 am

i am consistently amazed by the desire of most posters on this board to find excuses for Woodall’s inconsistent play.

i don’t doubt his speed and lateral movement were partly limited by a hernia problem. he was also completely outplayed and overmatched by some opposing backcourts and no one’s going to convince me that a sports hernia made a player shoot like crap for the last 10 games of the regular season.

he just doesn’t make anybody on the squad better — Taylor and Zanna didn’t get easy buckets from his penetration and he doesn’t cause turnovers because he’s never been much of a defender.

there’s just no upside with Woodall. if next year’s team is completely dependent on him, it’s bad news for us fans. Robinson has to get some time……

Comment by hugh green 04.22.12 @ 2:45 pm

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